Why did they add this touch pad? It's just a glorified select button

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Give me a single reason why a glorified select button is worse than a select button. You can't.

Also it's up to 3 buttons so it's more versatile.
And the handful of games that actually use the touch funtions well make it neat (mainly EDF quick chat wheel, or GR2's mode select), and it's good on PC where you can use it as a mousepad for quick selections on emus or some MMOs.

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Unironically the best addition to pad.

Because there is/was a whole generation growing up with touchscreens.

It's like some sort of laptop mousepad. I can see it's useful applications but it's so small, sensitive, and unwieldy I seldom see a point.

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The idea that the touch pad would ever be used for aiming was absolutely idiotic, but it's become a fairly decent multi-functional button which has light-touch, heavy-touch, hold, left side, right side, and swiping in 4 different directions
It just feels right for opening a map in any game.

I've heard that it's the reason for the shitty 4 hour battery life, is this true?

>The idea that the touch pad would ever be used for aiming was absolutely idiotic
Yes, that's why no one ever even thought of that besides you. Seriously, I've NEVER heard that idea before last minute when I read your post.

Aren't you talking about gyro?

Yeah, I use it for the mouse cursor in FFXIV. Actually clicking things with it is a nightmare but it's useful for hovering over things for tooltips etc.

There's aiming support using the touch pad for some shitty 2013/2014 early PS4 title which I've forgotten the name of. Basically when every gimmick was being used for about 2 years until everyone forgot about it. Can't remember the last time I heard the controller-speaker being used, e.g.

Just a bit, it's mostly the shit battery and audio transmitting/decoding. Nintendo controllers are so beyond shit I don't consider any of them viable because you can't even plug in headphones there, something that has been standard since 2006, so they have the lifespan of forever - aside from just being shit in general and having massive issues, both joycons and the Pro, but at least it's not battery related. MS gets away with it because they make you use your own AA batteries, or sell you a premium $200 controller with a good internal battery 6 years after the console's initial release.

I can only think of Killzone's item select, nothing to do with aiming, but then again I don't play western trash so I wouldn't know.

But how am I supposed to do swiping prompts in my favorite Sony exclusive Infamous : Second Son?

It wasn't Killzone but I'm thinking

I only asked if it was why the battery thing, but thanks for your useless opinions I guess. I think that's a good reason why it doesn't deserve to be there, they could literally just a couple more buttons in its place.

I don't see anything wrong with joycon, they are a good controller. It is two controllers in one, majority of couch games on the system only require one joycon per player. The gyro is extremely precise and the HD rumble is a great feature, only controller I have ever enjoyed the rumble function. My only real problem is I prefer to use the left joycon, but the home button is on the other one.

>which makes the DS4 objectively better on PC than PS4
It's pretty fucking hilarious that this is the case.

>still no nub
why the fuck are they so stupid

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It's very unnecessary but I guess it's just this controllers gimmick. It's also one of the main culprits for why the ds4 drains it's battery so fast

>It's also one of the main culprits for why the ds4 drains it's battery so fast
Is it really? The Steam Controller has not one but two touchpads and that thing lasts ages.
I'd blame the lights instead.

it works well on pc as a media remote though.
I can also increase and decrease the volume with gestures and add other shit.

It's actually a pretty good PC controller.

>its great thing if you want to take a screenshot and have it on pc instant

how can you send it to pc?

It allows you to take screenshots at anytime...unless it's disabled by Atlus, for some reason.

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>Nintendo controllers
Why even mention them?

>touch pad work like two buttons you fucking retard
Why would you call him a retard when almost no games actually use it as two buttons? You're not wrong, because it's nice when devs put thought into its usage, but 99%of them just use it as a single map button or something stupid (that's a single additional click away if you go through the pause menu)

i like the size of the button, and you can press it left or right, so it's two buttons.

i'd like them to keep the button but get rid of the touch feature, and put 4 buttons on the rear of the handles.

If you don't know what games there are besides indie and AAA then you're underage

Yeah a few games actually use it.
But most devs aren't looking to innovate and thats fine.

Battery technology is a rapidly developing field. I expect dualshock 5 to be much better.

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>Can't remember the last time I heard the controller-speaker being used
The only example I can think of is when Donald and Goofy start shouting at Sora in the final battle of KH3 after he gets rekt.

It actually works very well as a big fat giant button. I hope it comes back as just that, a big fat button that you can press on the left, on the right and on the center to get different results

>Can't remember the last time I heard the controller-speaker being used, e.g.
It's used everywhere though, like in HZD shooting sound comes out of it.

>they could literally just a couple more buttons in its place.
Nope, EDF4.1 and EDF5 wouldn't have the very handy quick chat wheels if that were the case. Just that 1 franchise alone for me more than justifies the touch pad. And having a huge as fuck comfy button is better than 3 tiny seperate ones in the middle of the controller, they would be too awkward for devs who decide to only use 1, leaving the others doing nothing or as clones, worst yet for 2 buttons: 2 out of 3 would do one action, then 1 out of 3 would do another action, assymetrical. Touchpad gives devs the versatility they want, making it 1, 2 or 3 buttons without making it awkward.
And that's just the clickable parts, I didn't get into the touch part. It's already superior as a button.

Its pretty good ackshually. I find myself taking screenshots of weird shit though. Like this mech wearing pants

>inb4 cod
>inb4 bad graffix

This mech is wearing fucking pants

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the touchepad and the led are both completely useless. The only thing they do is help drain the battery faster.

>Can't remember the last time I heard the controller-speaker being used, e.g.

used in GTA for phone calls and police radio chatter

gyro turning is unironically the best way to turn in GT Spork

I dunno, it gets in the way

It doubles as a mouse, so it's good for pc, and even still on ps4

Is it 2013 again?

My DS4 started breaking
ive hardly played half a dozen games on the thing
absolute garbage

It is, you can try it out for yourself if you've got any PC and a DS4, just google the appropriate software

Witch and the hundred knight uses it as two buttons, but even that is unreliable.

It's quite useful. Multiplat developers just don't do anything interesting with it.

Same reason why they added motion controls to the DS3 - a gimmick that not surprisingly failed.

Touchpad succeeded in every possible way though?

the last console i've ever owned was ps2, should i get ps4 pro or wait for ps5?
can i play ps3-ps4 games on ps5?

Wait for PS5.
Has native BC with PS4 (unlike the bullshit """BC"" of Xbone - although to be fair Scarlett also has true BC with Xbone). No confirmation on PS3 and previous gens but patents have been renovated and upgraded around that so it might be a thing but don't get your hopes up. Not many good games on 7th gen though, what a shitshow that was.

Is there anything Sony invented by itself in the console business and it wasn't shit?

Bruh! A mech with pants?

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Dual analog controllers

either get a base ps4 now that it's pretty cheap or wait for the ps5

there's no reason to own a pro

As a button mainly. No developer ever utilizes it.

At least the gyro was neat for WiiU emulation.

>As a button mainly.
Yes, and? It is a button after all

>No developer ever utilizes it.
It's very rare to see the touch pad go unused. 99% of games use it as a button. That's already a use.

Price for one.

Not that I care, but someone probably cares.

Any proof?
DS4 isn't any more expensive than Xbone's controller, which lacks gyro, a battery and touch bar.
Both of those are $10 cheaper than Switch's Pro controller, which lacks audio decoding, 3.5mm jack, and analog triggers.

I don't understand your argument when reality doesn't reflect it.

.......no, as an actual touchpad. Not just a regular button.