Previously, on G2A calling out devs: >>469270960

Previously, on G2A calling out devs: >Let’s lay all cards on the table.We will pay developers 10 times the money they lost on chargebacks after their illegally obtained keys were sold on G2A. The idea is simple: developers just need to prove such a thing actually happened on their stores.
>To assure honesty and transparency, we will ask a reputable and independent auditing company to make an unbiased examination of both sides – the developer’s store and G2A Marketplace. The cost of the first three audits is on us, every next one will be split 50/50.
G2A is fed up with the devs and journos lies
It's going to be glorious thread number 2
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someone post the dev(s) backpedaling tweets

What? Did that happened?

If it makes redditera mad, I'm all for it.

Doesn't affect me as I pirate

1)G2A has covered all their bases so they aren't afraid of being investigated for being scumbags
or
2)Devs/journos/publishers have been slandering G2A for YEARS on end

if 2 is true, why?

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tl;dr:
>no, g2a is literally killing my business, please pirate my games rather than buy them off g2a!
>we will pay you 10 times your losses if you prove them
>lol wtf paying me 10 times more than my damages is not worth the time and effort it would take to find proof, YOU prove it

why the fuck is this an "Or" Question?

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>muh public perception of product value
Basically, the devs are butthurt about their games being cheap and the journous can't get paid if devs have no money.

To make people afraid of using a marketplace to/that resell keys
I agree g2a website was rather scummy years ago, but not more than amazon with their prime shove, 2bh

Anyone that's endured a few minutes of devs screeching about piracy killing them with nothing but anecdote should have immediately dismissed them for doing much the same thing with G2A.
It's the same fucking thing. They feel an emotional , gut feeling and it blinds them to fucking reality but they don't even care because they're so righteous and angry.

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If this shit keeps going, Gaben will pull the plug on free key generation for devs, so devs will have to pay from copies sold outside the store or for all the keys they give out to influencers and shills

I never understand how the dev are the one complaning about g2a instead of the users.
>give/sell your keys to someone.
>Someone sell your key on an other market
>This is somehow unfair and it the new market fault for allowing him to sell what he owns

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wonder what happened to Valve's plan to get rid of third party keys and have everything directly inside steam.

>I want to be able to give away tons of keys for free for influencers without paying attention
>but anyone letting them sell my keys is a criminal
So we should close ebay too?

couldn't give a fuck about this thing m8, i'm just wondering if valve are still thinking about doing it.

>hey yeah bro, I understand that what we're doing is fucking you over
>that's why we'll cover any costs when it happens
>except that we don't want to work with you and don't trust you, so if you mention anything we'll require that a third company be hired to check through all the books rather than just giving us the receipt because the cash as fucked you over right now
>also, after the fourth stolen game, you need to pay for this whole process
No wonder developers hate that company.

Does G2A allow people to sell their keys? If so, then devs are doing the same thing they've always done: trying to kill the reseller market. They want to make it extremely clear that you don't own the games you pay for.

please explain further if I missed something:
devs and publishers claim G2A sells stolen keys.
stolen keys actually make up a tiny amount of keys sold.
devs and publishers still get butthurt despite that and cry over keys being in circulation that they gave out knowingly because they do not understand how demand and supply work.

thats it right?

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Developers get hit by the Paypal chargeback fees, the credit card chargeback fees, and risk losing their Paypal account entirely and being unable to do business. Also, realize these developers we are talking about are under 20 person teams, generally just 1-3 people, and so don't have an accountant (much less a lawyer) to hire to deal with this shit every time it comes up.

Exactly
And valve gives them the tools to generate keys, to blacklist and to know exactly when they were generated
They literally generate hundreds of keys, they gift them away, then they complain

if that was the case they'd still easily be able to list cases where they were charged back money.

They have a Twitter mob and friendly journos, though

Still can't see where g2a in all this?
Dev get scammed by someone who bought a key and can see it on ebay or g2a or whatever website?

REMINDER DEVS GENERATE THOSE KEYS, SO THE FIRST PURCHASE HAS TO BE FROM THEM OR THEY HAVE GIVEN THE KEYS TO OTHER RETAILER

Yes, and? After the third chargeback, they would need to pay half the cost of an auditing company to go through their full records and report on the findings. And after the fourth, they'd be the ones who need to spend the full amount. This is while they are already having money trouble because they need to deal with all these chargeback fees. And G2A outright says, in their post in the OP, that they aren't going to be paying for this.

Also, who the fuck steals a credit card and buys just ONE game to sell on G2A for a quarter of the price? Of course they're going to buy dozens of copies, or dozens of games, and then sell the keys. So any instance of stealing is going to involve lots of chargebacks and G2A only covers three of those cases.

>They have a Twitter mob and friendly journos, though
And G2A has a bunch of shills, what's your point?

>Still can't see where g2a in all this?
G2A is the one selling the stolen keys and running off with a large profit from doing so, while developers are the ones getting fucked in the ass and run out of business when it happens. Having G2A pretend to do something, but actually just fucking developers over further, is just them taking a portion of those profits while driving developers into bankruptcy.

>DEVS GENERATE THOSE KEYS
Do you really think that people stealing credit cards are going to the developers' website to make game purchases?

>Yes, and?
then their claims would be believable.
they are dodging right now though which makes G2A look legit and the devs like liars.

Dude g2a is a middleman market.
People sell their keys on the website .what do they have to do with whatever scam the seller did?
So someone break into a shop and steal a tv than sell on ebay so ebay should be the one held responsible?

No matter where they go, the first purchase is from a key GENERATEE BY THE DEV ON STEAM
THIS IS A FACT

Cope, indie dev

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The basic reason is that people are dumb and actually have no idea how much money they are or aren't missing out on. See: The entire piracy debate.

Not to say G2A ISN'T a massive scam that is stealing thousands from game companies, just that nobody has any particular way of proving it.

>G2A shills
How you dare to compare a bunch of Yea Forums threads to the entire blogosphere pushing an agenda on a drama that is virtually non-existent?

>wtf i have to post proof to make a legal claim

Considering how much they whined about it you'd expect some actual proof of chargebacks at this point. Its been a day.

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>>Yes, and?
>then their claims would be believable.
Their claims are believable. Nobody cares. Go read the image in the OP. G2A is just paying for the first four audits, and they are not giving out any money if there wasn't an audit in place. So the developer is forced to spend money on the audit, perhaps more money than they even lost, in order to get anything out of G2A.

G2A doesn't care if it's believable or not.

Pawn shops are responsible for the stolen goods that have been purchased by them, and that have been sold to other people by them. I'm not familiar with how eBay does it but I'd suspect they do have some responsibilities as well. It's funny how G2A has absolutely no responsibilities in any of this, despite the profit they receive.

>the first purchase is from a key GENERATEE BY THE DEV ON STEAM
Okay, great. So Steam received the money from the sale. While the developers are responsible for the chargeback that happens due to the credit card fraud.

Remind me again why G2A should not be liable for that and why they deserve to keep 100% of their profits from the exchange?

G2A BAD

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They're mad that they aren't getting a cut of the second sale. It doesn't matter that they got paid when they sold the key for the first time, they want a cut of the second sale as well. Because reasons.

>Their claims are believable
they're not, so where is the proof?

Is this just the used games argument but for digital grey markets? Props to G2A for calling them out on it though. Jews fear the grey market. I've bought from Kinguin a couple times with no issues, usually when I want to buy a game for 50 cents that isn't currently on a Steam sale or if I want to own the Steam version but not give the devs any money.

The devs received the money, stupid fuck
The key is generated by the dev, and you can't buy keys for games on steam
The thing is valve does not charge devs for generating key THEY SELL OR GIFT IN OTHER PLACES

The absolute state of Yea Forums

Retard, publishers also generate those keys.

why do you retards support g2a at all it's full of scammers and it's fucking shit even for customers
fuck you stupid Yea Forums contrarians you're all literally the npc meme backwards

true chads buy from dubious key sites desu

This.

>5 keys for the game came through G2A

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>Their claims are believable. Nobody cares
Of the 3 dev teams that talked about it not once managed to provide any proof. And be it just a statement from their bank that the chargebacks happened. Or a list of fraudulent and therefore useless keys. Fucking anything at all. It's always just them whining on twitter about resales and that they can't double dip on it.

this is their perfect chance to ruin g2a reputation forever, if the devs have proof then it would be more productive to present it instead of ranting in twitter

Finally! It's about time that stupid fallacy gets proven wrong. It's always about money, I don't care who sells me the game, they should be glad that at least I bothered to legally own it.

There's nothing dubius about mass buying retail and selling keys.

No shit, Sherlock
The guys in charge of puting the game on steam are the ones who do it
The thing is the keys originate in steam, not G2A

It literally says EVERY audit after the first 3 is split 50/50, you illiterate faggot.
And audits aren’t made for a single game, you stupid nigger, you'd have one audit for all the fucking claims you have at that point.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

G2A only gives customers back their money if they were scammed after a police report has been filed from where the customer lives, and then that police report sent to G2A for "validation"

G2A knows full well that an online scam report with zero information other then a username will not be investigated by police. Yet they'll claim they "keep seller information on hand" but say legally they can't give it to you.

They have no intention of paying people back because they know their business comes from scammers.

used it pretty often and never had issues desu.
even if I suddenly did not receive a key I'd still be way ahead of buying off steam.

The argument is that devs believe if G2A stopped selling keys, people would stop buying games in bulk using stolen cards FROM DEVS
THE STOLEN PURCHASE IS TO THE DEVS, AND THEY ADMIT IT

WHY THEN YOU LET JAMAL BUY 700 KEYS FROM YOUR HUMBLE BUNDLE WIDGET, RETARD?!!!!! Limit the keys you sell in bulk instead of blaming the place where those fags flip the keys

What's really interesting is that g2a is apparently confident that it can hold out longer in a war of attrition against potentially all these companies with the 50/50 split.

I'm sure they know that.
It looks like they were lying though.

>I've never used the service and I parrot bloggers

Literally who

>My finances is being destroyed by chargeback
>10x the damage compensation is not worth my time

if they call them out on this bullshit they could possibly secure tons of buyers on their platform though.
its a gamble for sure but it might pay off hard.

These people always get bored in a week or so.

So now that it has been confirmed that the devs are all lying, what are some good deals on unpiratable games on G2A?

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> talks about parroting
> parrots the Yea Forums hivemind themselves

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I've been using it for 7 years and I only had 1 problem with it, and it was easily fixed since I sent a message to the seller that it didn't work and got a new key

might grab unist. even if the key is stolen frenchbread is an asshole dev.

Reselling bad
Not paying the full price for a game at release bad

Reminder:
>a dev generates 200 keys on steam
>he takes those 200 keys and send them to humble
>steam takes nothing from that operation
>Jamal buys 200 keys in humble using a stolen credit card
>humble accepts the purchase, even if it looks suspicious
>the dev receives the money from 200 keys, even if suspicious
>Jamal goes to g2a and sell those keys for another price, being another region, being that the bulk purchase made it cheaper, whatever
>shit hits the fan IN THE DEV BANK, NOT BE BECAUSE OF G2A, BUT BECAUSE JAMALS CARD WAS REFUSED
>DEV GETS A CHARGEBACK FROM THE PURCHASE ON HUMBLE MADE BY JAMAL
DEVS BLAME G2A BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IF THAT MARKET NEVER EXISTED THE JAMAL WOULD HAVE NEVER PULLED OFF THAT STUNT, INSTEAD OF ACCEPTING THAT THE FIRST PURCHASE WAS ACCEPTED FROM THEM BY THEMSELVES

The rationale is so stupid it hurts

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Pretty much.

If I have a key I'm not going to use, I am going to sell it. I own the key, I paid for it, I will resell it if I want to.

>5 rupees have been deposited to your account

Not at all
I've been refunded multiple times
G2A does not have to refund you because they are just a marketplace
You have to use the platform to get in contact with the seller and he will refund you
The case you are pointing out is when the seller doesn't respond

user, that would mean that they are responsible for the keys they generate. Can't have that! They want all of the security that comes with purchases being made using steam, the support and safety of distributing keys through it, but they don't want to pay for it.

Does G2A charge tax in Canada? I'm thinking of moving my purchases there since some stores are starting to charge tax.

Nobody buys game keys with stolen credit cards that's a fucking meme. There are far better methods for money laundering trust me

This thread was also sponsored by G2A.

Sage

Timing of this with EGS is a bit odd since they don't allow you to do that and it was one of many features people bring up that it is sorely lacking.

The "stolen credit card" meme was always a sham. The issue has always been that devs want to sell their games globally, but then get butthurt when someone buys the games cheaper in one region to sell in another. The dev still sold the key, they still got paid for the key, but they are fanny flustered because someone else is going to make a profit as well. The solution is to sell through steam. But they don't want to give steam the cut, which would eliminate their problem.

>that shit argument about humble bundle
I thought devs understood that shitting your game onto humble bundle would devalue it until the end of time.

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>thinking you could sell 200 keys of an indie that didn't manage to sell 5 since resale on g2a before the CC gets locked and refunded
Really, this whole shit breaks down at the most basic level. There would be far better ways to get money out of a stolen CC then trough fucking vidya, especially those who barley sell in the first palce.

>buys the games cheaper in one region to sell in another
This thank you based turkey for allowing me to get day one release at a discount

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It would be enough if they just make it mandatory to log what you use d the keys for. If they went to a reseller site, or were a gift or giveaway or something. Then it would be easily traceable where the key went and who fucked up to sell them to fraudulent CCs.

The only developers complaining about G2A were the "usual suspect" developers that have never made a popular game but somehow get tons of articles around their games and are regularly found around San Francisco based game "journalism" outlets. Good for G2A calling them on their shit. Nobody's buying their games and even fewer are doing credit card charge backs for a two dollar key.

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Do you honestly believe they don't know? They perfectly know what keys went to that place or the other because they generate the batches
It's as simple as home accounting. They can even check the platform to know the date they generated them
They can't accept their own responsibility

WHERE ARE THOSE KEYS COMING FROM? WHAT THE FUCK. BURN G2A DOWN NOW

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>BIG BAD G2A IS LITERALLY TAKING FOOD FROM OUR MOUTHS! WE ARE LITERALLY GOING OUT OF BUSINESS!
>Oh, if we can prove the fraud, G2A will pay us back tenfold?
>NO, YOU NEED TO DO THE WORK AND PROVE IT AND PAY US!
>RAAAAAAAPPPEEEEEEEE

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Why would they encourage pirating their games instead of buying them for cheap? It doesn't make sense

That's so fucking hot

Valve is the reason third party keys exist in the first place. If Valve didn't want Steam keys to be sold outside of the Steam store they wouldn't allow those keys to be generated in the first place.

That's not what they're complaining about.
They're complaining about the blatant credit card fraud which g2a enables and profits from.

$750?

right underneath the price, it says you get 100 keys

They could easily provide proof of all the chargebacks, yet never do it. It really doesn't make any sense. If I wouldn't know it better, I'd say they simply do it for publicity. When the tinybuild dev got challenged by G2A to provide any fucking proof that they had chargebacks trough keys sold trough G2A they also just started to screech around and never directly adressed the issue.

Look closely
100 keys

And those alleged fraudulent charges are for keys that they generated themselves. They didn't want to pay steam their cut and distributed the keys themselves, and now they are crying about it.

If Valve hadn't fucked over gifting and regional restrictions G2A would lose a lot of it's appeal.

Because by buying a stolen key, having stolen key revoked, and then filing a chargeback the dev gets buttfucked with $40 in fees each time when they would rather you just steal it.

And now they can profit massively from any abuse that's taking place.
The problem is it's just a fucking meme. Some developer had to pay Mastercard 4 bucks, spazzed out and his journo friends white knighted him over literally nothing.

>devs get keys to other store in batches to resell and get more money because valve gets nothing from those
>They get niggered and backfires
>They blame the place where scammers flip the keys
Like pottery

>blatant credit card fraud

proofs?

No that is exactly what they are complaining about. Credit card fraud constitutes only an absolute minority of sales on G2A.
And even if they constituted a major portion of sales there is always the easy solution of not selling keys in bulk. But that would mean taking responsibility for their finances and business decisions and thats a big no no for these soimasters.

Look at all these NPC corporate lemmings coming out of the woodwork. Disgusting.

>encouraging piracy of your games for publicity while also demonizing it by claiming piracy=stealing

huh?

Go away scamsite shill

>How DARE people resell things they OWN, we are ENTITLED to that profit
>Hey look one guy chargebacked our key, must be on G2A
>reeeee daddy government help us
Get fucked

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They are literally telling you to pirate it instead you retards. How does that hold up?

The day Gaben stops the free key generation for devs, the day bundles end
Valve gets nothing from those keys, while maintaining the infrastructure for free for those users and games
Think about it for a second
Valve got no money from all your bundle games, and you have cloud saves, community... For them
And devs complain, while keeping that money

>were the "usual suspect" developers that have never made a popular game but somehow get tons of articles around their games and are regularly found around San Francisco based game "journalism" outlets
every. fucking. time

They're not retarded. They are acting in bad faith which is much worse.

The day bundles end is the day I go 100% piracy. I buy a mix of bundle and steam games, valve knows this, that is WHY these keys exist.

If they ended bundle sales, I wouldn't even pay for digital distribution at all, it wouldn't even be a thing I thought about.

Valve gets to sell those games on Steam, where the bulk of the sales are made. They don't really have any incentive to stop free key generation unless they want to drive away companies from selling on steam

G2A obviously said that because it CAN'T be proven. The keys on those websites are often than not sold by people that has duplicates and want to make a little money on the side instead of giving them away. What's next? they're gonna start acting like pissbabies because Indiegala and Fanatical exist when those websites also sell generated keys? it's just blind bias at this point.

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disproven many times and g2a is literally saying to fucking prove it after years of media smearing campaigns and NOBODY will be able to because it's all fucking fabricated

I mean they are shilling for a shitty website to OWN THE DEVS I guess?
I love losing money just to be contrarian.

Bundles turned me into a buyfag, after years of piracy
It's a fact

none of those faggot devs on twitter are even talking about stolen CCs anymore all of a sudden.
now its about muh reselling only.

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And how dare horrible valve take a cut for providing these services to the honorable indie dev.

>russian mafia site agress on some complicated multi-step system to prove their innocense

Aren't these the gangsters who literally made it almost impossible to cancel their "shield" program, which was the exact same bullshit as this

>Yea Forumseddit bootlickers seething
Get fucking rekt faggots. There is literally nothing wrong with grey keys and devs are nothing but whiny greedy faggots.

>NO, DON'T PIRATE, BUY ON G2A INSTEAD!(((THEY))) WANT YOU TO PIRATE!
fuckin kill yourselves

lots of allegations there with no proof

It was not impossible, it only took a mere hour if nothing bugged out. Stop spreading misinformation, support G2A right now goyim

uh
you just click on the checkbox and shield goes off.

Knytt guy

Sounds like retardation to me which is just as bad because it spreads.

It's hard (even impossible) to determine motivations in a forum like Yea Forums. It's possible that these threads are posted by G2A staff - or maybe its credit card purchasers (scammers) who have a huge financial incentive to keep G2A afloat.

Oh my god I gave him money for that once
What utter lunatics, I feel so ashamed.

Is the baba is you guy sane? I'm trying to decide if I should refund and pirate, I don't want to support these kinds of people any longer.

reddit.com/r/g2a/comments/3044d1/how_do_you_deactive_g2a_shield_subcriptionhelp/

"to remove g2a shield you have to do it within the last two days before its renewal. For me that was today and i had to remind myself for the past month. On the g2a main page you click on "G2A wallet" and then on the drop down you click on "transactions". After that it should prompt you to log in. after logging in you should be at a "G2A Checkout" page. From there go to "settings" on the left side, then "account" and then you should see the g2a shield status. On the bottom of the screen there should be a prompt to disable the shield "at your own risk" (at their loss of money)"

Why should I care about getting something cheaper if I can get it for free?

reddit.com/r/g2a/comments/8y20ze/how_to_deactivate_g2a_shield_forever/

"I subscribed last year and had it for maybe a month or two, and then went to disable it, I checked my Debit card transaction a couple of days ago and I see this XXXXXXXXXXXXXX - Kupovina - VIP G2A SHIELD MEMBER - KRAKOW.

When I turned it off last year I thought that was it and didn't check my transactions that much and because 1 Euro is not that much to notice every month... I went to their site and it says G2A is Inactive, yeah Inactive my ass..."

>4 years ago
Nice
Shield doesn't even exist now

The shield system worked in the exact same way as scammy pornsites. They are the worst, but you have their whole marketing department in this very thread.

>Is the baba is you guy sane?
Don't know, don't care. I will still love Knytt Stories regardless of whether Nifflas is a faggot or not, the game is just perfect in my mind

>4 years ago
>shield isn't even there anymore
Are you gonna link the dumbass article next too? Or do you want to just shill your shitty indie game?

to troll? send them your purchase screenshots to make the devs SEETHE

You seem to know an awful lot about a site that we are supposed to buy on instead of getting our games for free. Hmmmm

>Defending a blight

I've bought about 150 games in total, from dlc to bundle spares to some AAA stuff and even a couple office keys
No issues
I hate lerddit fags, too
They seem very positive but they love to have a cause to shit on. Lerddit is literally Flanders

lmao the G2A reddit is a gold mine

G2A wants you to file a police report because someone scammed you on THEIR site, and then SCAN the police report and send it to them to get a 15 euro refund

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I bought Hitman 2 Gold at base price last year from G2A for being too jewish. Key hasn't been revoked like the horror stories told me it would. Get fucked, moralfags.

>0.10$ has been deposited into your G2A account

wouldn't steam be the only ones able to disable keys anyway? or the devs through steam? shouldn't the focus be on that instead?

Because they are a market place

You download shit for free or pay for shit if you specifically want to make a point of supporting the devs. That's how it always worked.

You chose to do worse of both worlds and give your shekels to some random slavs instead and now shill for them. If anyone is a retard or fag here, that's you.

how come steam allows selling of keys on 3rd party sites if its hurting the devs?

So what's your opinion on selling used games?

There's no "stolen keys"
It's stolen credit cards which have been used to buy keys.
Once the stolen credit card goes cold, everything will be charged back, the keys will become void and thus money is lost

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It's like you don't understand where the keys are coming from
Oh no, you do, and you want to keep pushing the lies
Accept the facts. People are not buying your lies, retard. It's called free market, and devs are the first using it by getting those keys out from steam

Why are the devs lying for not profiting from G2A keys and telling you to get it for free if they are in fact profiting from G2A keys?
Isn't that 100% against their own interests?

Steam not giving a single fuck is nothing new, besides there are legitimate key resellers like GMG.

>on THEIR site
But it's not THEIR product, they provide a platform and means of transaction, they don't get all your money, the seller does. Ebay can withhold this money until customer gets a satisfactory transaction, due to them mostly selling physical goods, but G2A has no means of confirming whether the key or the link was acquired fraudulently or not, they can only take action after someone reported the seller. The police report there is not for police to actually investigate, but to confirm that your transaction has taken place and that you're not trying to scam the G2A through chargebacking your own keys you just bought, cause otherwise refunding will basically give you free money. In most cases just use common fucking sense when buying a product: that is don't buy from new and unrated / low rated sellers that sell the product way below the median market price.

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>being this retarded
I buy shit because it's cheap you fucking retard. I guess I should just pirate every game that is on steam sale because I'm not paying devs full price right? If you're gonna criticize G2A, at least stop being a retard. I bet you think all consolefags buy new games exclusively.

>doesn't remember to opt-out before billing
>its the companies fault

have some personal responsibility

what the
a journo thread where OP wasn't a fag and provided an archive link?!
what the fuck is going on?

Because G2A didn't sell you anything. It was a user that sold you the thing, they are the marketplace.

The fundamental thing about markets it's that people tend to use the most advantageous deal which here means literally free, and you are actively discouraging them from doing so. curious.

Thanks, but I won't need it. They told me to pirate their games. ;)

i have no idea but the keys originate from steam and wouldn't they be the best equipped to deal with this? how the fuck is g2a supposed to deal with this supposed issue?

>money is lost
in that scenario there's no money to begin with. might as well complain about refunds

CDkeys is a more reputable site, use it instead.

I'm convinced most of the shit against G2A/Kinguin is simply pissed off businesses not liking that they can't price fix.

Region locking and regional pricing should be illegal.

pirate single player
buy multiplayer from g2a
desu

Steam/devs do deactivate keys, but not all G2A keys are obtained in an illegal manner.

>how the fuck is g2a supposed to deal with this supposed issue?
by verifying their resellers and not allowing every literally who russian to dump 1000 keys like it's nothing
>i have no idea
Someone has no reason to lie, but you still insist they are lying to protect your shitty website. Go away shill.

I honestly prefer a cheap copy of a game than a ghetto pirate that takes 3 hours to decompress, and ugly cracks
It's not rocket science
Enjoy your torrents. I still prefer to pay a little and forget about the hassle

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I've only ever done a bundle once for my games. Never again.

None of my games appear on key selling websites- except the one I did the bundle with

go figure

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They do have a reason to lie. Businesses have always hated grey market importers and resllers as they reduce their profit margins.

And people say Steam doesnt do anything for its 30% cut

the one who buys the key pays with real money
the one who's selling the ticking time bomb of a key gets money and gets off scott free

how about the place actually selling the keys in the first place is held responsible considering they are the only ones who can see if its actually gotten with a stolen credit card or not. just deactivate the keys and move on. if they did this in a timely manner g2a would literally die out since no one would buy, assuming it's all bought with stolen ccs

the devs are assblasted
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You can't get console games for free, so that could be your only option for getting it cheaper. If you want to buy used copy of a game that can be pirated as a collector, because you want to have a box, that's cool too.
If you choose to buy something like a steam account from someone instead of pirating, you are a complete fuckin moron.

>Why are the devs lying for not profiting from G2A keys and telling you to get it for free if they are in fact profiting from G2A keys?
Because those who actually get it for free already do it anyway, they don't give a shit about whether some twitter fag told them to pirate or not, they will do it anyway. It's just PR garbage and social media karma point. They are mad cause:
1) They don't have a buffer pool for money when chargeback happens, so they blame G2A for their own stupidity. It can happen to anyone on any platform or marketplace, G2A is not responsible for the chargebacks or people who buy the keys fraudulently.
2) It can hurt their own set price on steam cause people will look at g2a and wonder why it's cheaper there. It's cheaper cause of dev is generating keys like crazy for whatever reason and doesn't fucking consider the repercussions of his actions or the currency exchange rate differences within the same region or cause the game was previously on sale and those are mostly sale prices (or any combination of those, maybe all)
3) Cause retarded devs like picrelated do not understand how the system works. It's steam link to gift, BECAUSE IT'S A FUCKING GIFT THAT WAS BOUGHT ON STEAM WHILE THE GAME WAS CHEAPER

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if you do try to dump a suspicious amount of keys your listings get put on hold and you have to prove that you legitimately got those keys

Hell, it happens when you try to list one newer game too

that wasn't my point...

the point is most the keys come from bundles

Pirating doesn't give you multiplayer access.

Oh I thought you were one of the raging indie devs.

I mean it is obvious they come from bundles. I don't see your point.

Honestly, I'm thinking of giving up on gaming with the amount of bullshit and shameless moneygrabbing involved.

G2A is the new boogeyman now piracy is basically dead.

Because every place is held responsible. A shop not verifying their shipments and selling stolen goods regularly, could get into a lot of trouble. Ebay tries to regulate, every reputable place tries to regulate.

We are not living in some anarcho-capitalist shithole. We hold people morally accountable.

>Pic
I literally confirmed today the only copies g2a is selling of this retard are steam gifts, that ofc NEED TO BE BOUGHT IB THE STORE from another region
This guy knows shit, and got caught out in a Twitter tantrum... Poor lad

Has Amazon got in any major trouble for Marketplace being full of fake products?

because if people pirate it instead it means the alternative storefront that sells their product at a lower price is not being supported.

okay but how are they supposed to know if someone is legit or not considering they're not the ones handling the payment of the original key?

Does the guy even know how steam works?

hey you fucking polish cousin fucking slav niggers, in civilized countries you don't get to facilitate the sale of stolen goods with 0 responsibility, especially when you're KNOWINGLY helping people sell stolen goods

the only reason you haven't been shut down is because you're in such a corrupt fucking shithole on earth nobody wants to spend the money to pay off your local corrupt police force and/or politicians

>waaaaaaaaaah waaaaaah g2a is taking my money
>okay, provide evidence
>JESUS CHRIST DUDE FUCK OFF
we need an indie dev genocide

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>piracy is basically dead

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Guys, Should I stream on Gaming 4 Good since its supported by G2A? Currently I have $171 in Donations for Charity. Should I continue?

I trying to think as to what game to play today. Here is the list. >Shenmue, Bloodstained:Ritual of the Night, Borderlands 1, Borderlands 2, Blade Strangers, Code of Princess, Zwei: The Ilvard Insurrection, Katana ZERO, Zero Escape: The Nonary Games, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Wargroove, The Next Penelope. LUMINES REMASTERED, Assault Android Cactus, La-Mulana 2, and Mega Man X Legacy Collection 2

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Compared with 20 years ago, it really is.

No, we really don't do it legally in most cases and most countries. G2A is not an ethical business model, as it's basically trying to undercut the developers themselves. Is it illegal and fraudulent cause of that? No, but you're free to not use it or any other key/gift sharing marketplace. Devs are also free to not out their games on sales, generate keys or even publish themselves on Steam that allows hoarding of game copies and key activation.

Actually they could get fucked even there. That's why they are officially a chinese company, despite being slavs.

>ITT: people who have never actually listed something on G2A and think they can just sell 50 keys without raising any red flags

Dev still gets money off g2a transaction, not directly but through creating a copy to begin with, retard. Do you even read the thread.

then prove what was stolen.

oh wait, it isn't worth your time.

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>illiterate 80IQ polish gangsters taking time out of their busy schedule of prostituting children, selling heroin and living in squalor to come here and defend their money laundering websites

amazing

>Check in to this
>See on one side is soiboy "indie devs" with walking simulators about how Hillary should have won.
>On the other is a key site that gives cheaper deals for game keys than the soiboy thinks his walking simulator is worth.
I think i am on G2As side on this. No big dev even cares. I aint paying no more than $2 for you to screach at me that capitalism has failed and how opressed you are.

>you're KNOWINGLY helping people sell stolen goods

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I actually bought this game.

It's utter, utter shit. The epitome of janky Unity shit and is so bad it's borderline unplayable, from the PS2-esque graphics to the unpolished gameplay. Not fun at all either. Biggest disappointment of a game I've played in a long fucking time - there's games I don't like, but it's hard to find one quite as obviously blatantly awful like this one without it being an outright asset flip.

(That said, I thought Supraland was garbage too, so maybe my tolerance for shit indie games is just waning)

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Just more evidence that most indie people are fucking scumbags.

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Because it's awesome and I can buy a shitty full priced 60 dollar game for more like 40 a couple days after release.

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still no proof at all.
they got exposed by that ballsy move.

fuck off commie

I get it for 0 a day after release. It's fuckin great, you should try that.

>literally 5 copies

lmao indie devs are so fucking stupid

I dunno what dodgy link that dude is talking about. Pic related, how I received my key.

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based

How could G2A organize something of this scale without a single person that works there having English as their first language?

Yeah I know smartass I pirate games too, but some games are from devs I want to support or it's a game I begrudgingly want to play the multiplayer for.

So if a game is bought with a stolen CC on steam do the devs get hit with the chargeback?
Or is this a case of the devs trying to sell steam keys under the table to get more money and getting hit with chargebacks directly?

I'm enjoying these threads immensely because it's actively dispelling the reddit lies surrounding the marketplace. CC fraud is just a joke as so many people would end up with deactivated keys no one would go near the service. People have a right to sell off bundle items they don't want which makes up the majority of keys. If someone is able to buy hundreds of keys in a different region and resell them who's fault is that? Should these vendors selling the keys not be held responsible for allowing the sale to go through? In terms of free keys given away it's entirely the devs job to vet these people. The chain of custody is clear as well as the chain of responsibility and it lies squarely on the shoulders of the devs, publishers, and people who sell the keys in the first place. I will continue to buy keys from G2A and others like them. Over 100 purchases so far with zero problems. I'm happy to give material support to the people reselling the keys.

I never really understood what this meant or even how it could be true.

based

In honk world, sellers blame others for selling to stolen card buyers
It's like if a bank gets robbed and they blame the clients for taking their money to the bank
His game is only sold as steam gifts
It's another way of getting a game on g2a

BTW, how are you doing on the world of assassination?!
I did bought it there, too

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Depends on a product and how seller got it. This one is a key, because it probably comes from a physical copy. Descenders was a steam gift because they got it due to currency rate exchange or when the game was on sale. Hell, Mike himself said that they are selling the game with the same price when the game was on sale, so it's probably from that.

>Polish company
>Pays taxed in hong kong
Fuck them, they're no different than if chink companies would come over here and not give a shit about the country as a whole

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If the games are from devs you want to support, don't buy on G2A. No dev came to the defense of G2A, not a single one.

They're lazy, egotistical assholes. It's no surprise so many of them are fucking hard communists despite being trust fund babies.

whoever sold to the person using the stolen cc gets hit with the chargeback. so no, devs do not get hit with it unless they sell keys themselves

I'm pretty sure those keys came directly from the publishers.

I'm pretty confident most keys on G2A etc come directly from publishers through back-channels, either directly or indirectly.

kys shill

Not to stop shutting on scummy devs, but by the looks of it, it seems that Mike dude got trolled into the lerddit agenda, and was hugely missinformed, and now he is finally realizing he basically fucked up
In a way it's normal because he is passionate about his job

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Oh, I see. I'm actually even more glad I bought it there after seeing how disappointing the gold content is.

Why do rich folks in 3rd world countries get to buy games cheaper than poor folks in 1st world countries? Because that's what is happening.

Love seeing super-rich Russians and Brasilians with cutting-edge PCs bragging about their cut-price games.

hmm should game prices be based on the income of the buyer? interesting idea sir

but they get money from the g2a keys. they are just being whiny babies. If they really dont wan't me to pirate their game they should release the server binaries so I can play the MP with Yea Forums

And endless whining when they don't get games for cheap. Which is the worst fucking part of it.

It's literally only those 2. And they are region locked. Everyone else gets a 60, despite their currencies being often week as shit to the point that they are relatively paying 5 times the price. And even russians with their discounts still pay more relative to their salaries.

Nah man i'm far too well adjusted. As a matter of fact i'm so well adjusted I feel great when I shop G2A knowing little Igor or Juan is getting some of that sweet sweet capitalist action and are able to support themselves. The difference between us is that these devs only larp about caring about marginalized people. The second they catch one trying to get by they try to crush them like a roach and complain about them when it's their fault and their greed that allowed that marginalized person to make a buck.

Yeah but they're still in a shithole so it evens out.

Well the bank is decent, man

Piracy rates
Steam recommends price ranges between region zones to devs, based on the perceived value of games in that region aka how much people are willing to pay

Don't you believe it, these faggots live like fucking kings.

>G2A is marginalised minorities
>indie devs are greedy fucks
Oh you are such a charitable fellow. I didn't know it was about helping the poor CEOs of shady corporations. So virtuous!

It's fucking bullshit.

Companies should not be able to outsource roles to 3rd world countries and then choose to charge people in the US more.

They should have to choose: free trade or not. As usual, it's free trade for the rich while the rest of us are forced to eat shit.

Imagine being so redpilled that you begin hating the only reason this shitty board even exists. If you support dumbfuck garbage like grey markets, you're a detriment to video games, there's no logical way around this.

If G2A gave a flying fuck about stamping out fraud, they'd do all the legwork themselves instead of demanding audits and stupid shit like that like the lazy fucks they are. Fact is, they're stupid Western Europeans who have found a nice racket that requires them to do fuck-all and rakes in free cash from idiots like OP. The reason they bristle every time a dev calls them out is because they don't have any actual way to defend themselves from negative press and they know it. All they can do is bluster "pay us for the privilege of making 10% back from scummy key reselling and fraud :^)" and the latest gem "we'll pay for a whole 3 audits, and then force you all to pay for the rest lmao!"

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g2a exists because of steam you fucking nigger

seething indielet

G2A get's a little cut off the top for providing a safe environment. Why are you so callous friend? Can't you think about all the little abuelas and babushkas. Why are they responsible for vendors selling hundreds of keys? I bet you're the kind of guy that would walk up to a Mexican selling oranges on the side of the road and scream at him demanding he give the supermarket a cut for the sale of the individual oranges.

THE PEOPLE THAT SELL BATCHES OF KEYS TO CREDIT CARD FRAUDSTERS ARE THE DEVS TO BEGIN WITH
THEY SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

They are not giving even their tax money to their own country, because those fucks are that greedy and afraid.

Reminder that g2a has locked peoples' accounts for no reason and stolen their credit card info. They also now will "flag" any new account for "security" which includes forking them over info on your IP address and billing details.

Looks like my next purchase will be from G2A.

G2A is great. I've been able to buy games that are out of print because G2A still had Steam keys.

Sounds like they are being smart and doing what every other business does. How much tax did Apple pay last year? How much tax did Google pay in Europe? Give me a minute to get an electron microscope for that violin of yours.

Taxation is theft though.
They are in the right, G2A is fine.

This. Indie devs want to use price discrimination, and G2A is profiting off their practices.

G2A IS THE AVENUE THROUGH WHICH THE KEY RESELLERS ARE ACTUALLY PROFITING FROM THEIR VENTURE
THEY SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

>shilling for G2A

LMAO at his most recent tweet
>p-pls guys, criticize G2A. Back me up, here

:the thread

They are a market place, not a store
Devs are using stores to sell 200 keys to Jamal, and the complain on the chargeback, blaming g2a
It's pathetic

Piracy > Russian criminals > Publishers or greedy devs

It's honestly pretty fucked up when you learn how little taxes companies actually pay.

it's interesting that they never mention this, instead always going for g2a. if it's an actual problem they should be interested in finding a solution for it instead of something shortsighted like getting g2a shutdown

Or, alternatively: pic related

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How do they get cheap keys then?

There are sane individuals in this very thread

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Are you that retarded to believe anyone would fucking buy some shitty game keys instead of bitcoin with a stolen credit card?

Regional price fixing
Gpu cards retail codes
Influencers selling free keys
Bundle dupes

As easy as humble and co not selling batches of keys or selling to bots
instead better go ask g2a to monitor their fuck ups

The difference between a market and a store is irrelevant. If a flea market had a chronic problem with criminals fencing goods you can bet your ass the cops would be up in that shit every fucking day it was open, and the cops would expect the people who owned the flea market to cooperate with absolutely no strings attached. The only problem here is that cops can't and won't get involved, so it's people with no power and authority (devs) versus the people in complete control of the "market" (G2A).

What financial incentive does G2A have to actually work with anyone? What would G2A gain from chasing off people trying to sell things, or even just making it harder for them? Because that's really the only thing they need to do, make it frustrating to fence, but they won't. They WANT to be a grey market, that's their niche, that's why they exist, and that's where their profit lies. They're never going to stop being a grey market because then they'd be directly competing with actual storefronts, and why the fuck would anyone sell or buy on G2A then? Btw, you can stop shilling for them anytime, they've done fine without keyboard warriors defending them so I'm sure your services are not needed.

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ive never bought anything on g2a
but maybe ill start doing it for a games that i cant pirate cos holy fuck they are based

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If a dev was really interested in stopping card fraud, he would NOT SELL BATCHES OF KEYS TO ANYONE, NOR GIVE THEM TO EVENTS/PARTNERS/SHILLERS/RANDOS
all these shit they are pulling is to drive people away from keysites, but people are not that stupid

BTW. G2A offers deals to sell dev copies directly

do they have that choice in times of automated storefronts? yes they can make their own store or whatever, but that's not a viable option to anyone that's not one of the biggest. maybe blame the actual parties that profit from the theft, not the victims.

It'll only work on morons A.K.A devs because they act too entitled. G2A is an easy target because how big they are. If they were Niche like Fanatical and Indiegala, would they get hit too for just being a keysite, selling to people for half the price and then some? I said it once and I'll say it again, it's a blind bias with these devs, and they can eat a dick.

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Steam generates the keys on command
It's not the first time you buy a game on humble and they run out of keys for a day and you have to wait

obviously people who steal ccs should be held responsible but only the vendors can prevent it from being a problem in the first place

Why can't it be both?

>If a flea market had a chronic problem with criminals fencing goods
Good thing this isn't happening then, huh? Literally not a single piece of evidence has been show that this is happening, yet you along with numerous other idiots are repeating it as if it's fact.

so.... the damages isn't worth getting reimbursed 10 folds? then why bitch at G2A

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coding man Joel Spolsky wrote about that.
like how you'd optimally sell a product to richer people for more money and to poorer people for less.
he came to the conclusion that such a system rarely works because people start feeling ripped off.

>Yes, and? After the third chargeback, they would need to pay half the cost of an auditing company to go through their full records and report on the finding
Do you not know how auditing works? its not per chargeback basis, its monthly of yearly.

Works in plane ticket sales