ITT: unpopular opinions

there has never been an objective good retard only a popular or universally accepted good

thats not an opinion though thats a fact

>There is not a single book with good writing. The praise of Twilight is proof of this

How can you be this retarded. Keep following the herd

the controls in Animal Farm were pretty tight tho, the graphics kinda sucked but added to the charm

Go back

you think it had good writing

who gives a shit about good writing

Except trash like Metal Gear Solid and The Last of Us are praised as the pinnacle of video game writing while Twilight is not praised as the pinnacle of book writing.

Doesn’t matter, it’s still praised. Also the average retard is more likely to pick up a game than a book. You cannot make this comparison when your voting audience is dumber than book readers and even movie watchers.

True facts.

The only people that say they play video games for the story are weak wristed weebs that lack the motor skills and confidence to play a competitive game. Saying you play video games for the story is like saying you watch porn for the romance.

Only limp wristed faggots play video games for competition.

Go out and lift some weights and sign up for a competitive sport and put your body to the test, not slouching in front of a screen playing gay “””esports”””

>Doesn’t matter, it’s still praised
No it's not you fucking retard. Twilight is universally derided as thrash literature.

If that were true then it wouldn’t have sold like hot cakes you painfully stupid faggot. It clearly resonated with millions of retards.

My other point regarding the average gamer being retarded relative to book readers remains.

lol BTFO

>projecting weeb

I do both. I work full time play hockey and soccer, train martial arts and find time to school noobs in competitive games. What I don't do is play god awful jrpgs that are written by literal autists and pretend they're good because I can't play a game that requires skill

Way ahead of you, buddy.

goodreads.com/user/show/13715808-sean

>If something is popular that means it's good
Kys

Based. Fuck e-sports
Shower, manlet

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yes me and millions of others

>unpopular opinion thread with basic Yea Forums drivel that gets posted everyday

Do you want a pat on the back? Might as well throw in something like how Blizzard is the worst gaming company around or e-celebs are cancer.

Gigachad is a shitty reddit meme

>find time to school noobs in competitive games
Is this something manlets are proud of?

Yeah. If you can outplay another human being in a game that's something to be proud of. I wouldn't be proud of playing a point and click turn based adventure for retards and pretend it's a good game.

>yeah, i beat the other manlet at pong, pretty based amirite
Have sex.

>avoids competition

Says the obvious virgin.

smac has decent writing

stanley parable is well written in a droll way

Competitive sports? Based. """"Competitive"""" gaming? Yikes.

Why would anyone be content with only playing against AI unless they were literal dogshit at a game?

You have to go back

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That must be why games have gotten too happy with taking the controls away from you when you as the player would likely make better decisions than the playable character.

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You haven't played any recent games if you think that

>thrash literature
What the based

Vagrant Story
Based kai

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How will OP ever recover?

There're like two, maybe three that I know?
Pathologic, Silent Hill 2, SMAC.
How about them?

I like PSO2 even though it's old and the devs don't balance it enough.

Some actual opinions:

Undertale is objectively better than Lisa is every way. The only people that say Lisa is better are contrarians, people who think cheap difficult mechanics = immediate 10/10, or those who think "muh depression" = good story

Tooie > Kazooie

CS is no higher than a 6.5/10 in all iterations with Source being the best

Sunshine = best 3D Mario

Almost all retro FPS games are mediocre or straight up trash.

Modern country music is better than "classic" shit and Johnny Cash is wildly overrated with maybe 2 or 3 good songs

I genuinely think RahXephon is better than any Evangelion iteration in ever single way.

“If something is popular that means it’s good”

Oh, like you assumed that because Kojima is popular he must by extension be the best video games have to offer?

Well done you just destroyed your own argument

druckmann doesn't even belong in the same sentence as kojima, you dumb faggot OP

>school noobs
>video games are “competitive”

You are a virgin. You are a virgin

Why not? They're both shitty and pretentious writers.

Warhammer, more specifically 40K, is hot trash, the people who shill it are worse than MLPtards
"Kino" is fucking stupid term
Fallout sucks
FFXIV is a bad game outside of some of the main story and side stories
MHW sucks compared to the older games, swimming in Tri/3U was fine after you spent more than 2 seconds learning it

MHFU was the pinnacle of videogames as a medium, and nothing else has come close before or after

even if you dislike kojima's writing, he's still a gameplay designer, there is more gameplay in a kojima game than druckmann's hackery. even a mediocre game like mgs4 is light years ahead of TLOU which is druck's "masterpiece"

all druckmann cares about is "muh visceral and cinematic experience" that plays itself

>mfw newfags still can't cope with the fact that the original MGS trilogy was 10/10

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I only really liked MGS1. 2 tried too hard and was too... Kojima, and 3's story was obvious from the start so it didn't have much impact on me. I wasn't into the gameplay as much as the arcadey top down games either. I know they're all good, but 2/3 weren't for me.

Genuinely curious why you don't like 40k?

Story in video games exists only to facilitate gameplay.

That's perfectly understandable user, I can respect that.

I'm not big into grimdark and the powerscaling makes dragonball look like a slice of life. I don't mind the tabletop bros at my LCS, chill dudes but most of the people who talk about it online won't shut the fuck up about
also fuck 3D Sonic games, Adventure 1 and 2 were never good

WHO THE FUCK IS THIS HALF DEFORMED FUCKER AND WHY TF DO I SEE HIM EVERYWHERE

>Universally derided
>sold more than any other book except the Bible
?

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ITT: unpopular opinions
There's nothing wrong with casual games

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Other M was misunderstood and turned into a meme, but was actually the correct path for the franchise.

I agree but I think casualizing games that are considered "difficult" is a detriment to the series it's a part of.

I mostly agree. I have a friend who's really into it and it got annoying to listen to constantly, but I tried playing killteam (bitesize version of the tabletop game) and I had fun. I don't care about the world or the setting, but it's worth giving the game a try if you haven't already. As long as you're able to separate the two you might enjoy yourself.

it's not really for me, I'm more of a MTG guy myself, even then it's mostly only EDH, Cube, and the occasional Draft.

MTG's okay too, but you need to burn so much money to fully enjoy it. I couldn't keep up. It's hard to justify sinking that much money into a secondary hobby when games are already so expensive. It's a shame, it's the best card game by far.

>School noobs

Oops. Found the incel.

You guys are so unchill, have sex

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>Being so desperately bad at video games you call a married man with children a virgin

stfu, cholo-faggot

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I actually agree, as long as they don't feature MTX.
PopCap titles were fun as fuck.

Thief: The Dark Project and Thief II: The Metal Age

RDR2 or MGS2 for example had good writing but were obviously derivative (even though they more than make up for it with their own original contributions exclusive to their medium). I can name you a bunch of well written games, but finding a well written game that isn't just regurgitating the themes of some classic book is the real challenge.

Sounds like he's played quite a few recent games desu.

hello rxddit

>Other M was misunderstood

You can't "misunderstand" atrocious writing and some of the worst gameplay I have experienced in any form of game.

>There's nothing wrong with casual games
There is when the game is too fucking easy and you can't make the game harder, like pic related.

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Just the right amount of cheese, pulp and wit. I fucking love Max Payne 1.

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seething chinlet

While I mostly agree with OP, in that the standard "good" Vidya story (last of us, god of war, SMTs, any Sony exclusive really) is mediocre in comparison to a decent book, I think there are SOME exceptions. The first half of Final Fantasy Tactics comes to mind I think.

Who are those B/W men you post lately, zoomers?
What's the deal with it?

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>Hold O to Win
in FFXII you dont need to hold anything to win :^)

you still needed to change up your gambits every now and then

>yes me and millions of others
Logical fallacy

hideo kojima is the biggest hack i've ever seen.

RDR, RDR2 and VTMB are the only games with good writing.

GTA 4 has a poorly written, poorly paced story and is overall a bad game.

In what way. Even ignoring the story, shit it has some baffling shit design choices.

RDR1 doesnt really have good writing
>VTMB
what about Fallouts 1, 2 and NV?

I'd have to agree with this.

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>DMC got boring after 3
>Rockstar has sucked since last gen, with only LA Noire feeling refreshing, and even then the game was massively flawed
>Saints Row 4 is good and the second best game in the series, behind 2
>Spirit Tracks is the most underrated Zelda game, Wind Waker is the most overrated
>PoP 2008's repetitive game design massively hampered the story and overall enjoyment of the game
>I don't mind the God of War reboot. If the series wanted to continue it had to change the gameplay up, as no one cared about the last spin-off installments
>E3 needs to die
>There are only two games worth playing on the switch
>They shouldn't have bothered remaking FF7. It's a product of its time and won't ever be able to recapture the magic.

Sports are games.

Chrono Trigger doesn't deserve all the praise it gets. It's a very solid game that any JRPG fan should play, but it doesn't deserve to be considered one of the best RPGs ever made, let alone one of the greatest games ever made.

Games should be punished for trying to have waifus or heavy storytelling. Only good gameplay should be allowed to existence.

And no, co-existence is not an option. Movie games already proved that they'll just keep pushing gameplay out of the spotlight, so now they don't get any mercy. Same with waifu-centric games.

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RDR1 is great with the sorta hidden ending. John spent the last years of his live trying to save Jack from his own path, but because of what he did it made Jack into another John. Not incredible writing, but certainly interesting.

You fags are too young to remember the good shit is all.

Ghost Trick exists.

What's boring about Bayo

>sexy characters are bad
?

>mash x to win
>torture attacks are giant cutscenes
>inbetween 2 hours of cinematics and quick time events sprinkled everywhere
>fandom only cares about jerking off to their milf mommy waifu character

That is correct.

>What's boring about Bayo

She is a female character with a personality so it pisses off the SJW.

A SJW who is known for saying blatant lies like "Yea Forums loves Other M" and his proof is the fanart dumps he calls "porn"

I thought it was just a cult classic. I've sort of seen this indirectly. With people claiming it's better than FFV and VI which are overrated and touted as some of the best RPGs.

>blank canvas is good
>sexy is bad
ure pathetic

how about there is not a single good video game

I've read many of the books people consider "classics" and the only real difference is a lack of subtly in video game reading. Most books and games cover topics in similar depth, both thematically and creative scenarios. I'll happily trade subtlety for interactivity

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>showing off your ass to the camera now counts as a personality
oof

>blank canvas = better video game
Yes, it is better as a choice.

I think you might have it, truth be told. This hobby is not a good one.

Video games don't need good writing because they can show instead of tell. Strong environmental storytelling is better for a video game every time.

Choosable romance and waifus makes any rpg better

It's like the SJW is trying to disgust males of females which will turn the male populations into either asexual or gays

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Just recently I played FFT and it has great writting

the fucking point is the fucking books were published decades, and in many cases nearly a century prior to the invention of vidya. if something's been done before, then it is that work that deserves the praise and recognition as an influential piece of art, and not the fucking game, which should accordingly be recognized as a derivative, inferior, mainstream product that shallowly wallows in the retread of something greater.

Looks like someone hasn't played RDR2

>Either you've got a lazy eye or a lack of respect. Which is it, boy?
>I ain't got no lazy eye, nor respect for the likes of you.
>Well, maybe when your mother's finished mourning your father I'll keep her in black, on your behalf. You think on that, boy.
>Maybe you shall, sir. And maybe other events will transpire.
>You best stick to them books because mark my words on this, vengeance is an idiot's game.

think again faggot

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Most developers knows that pc is superior. But they can't voice their opinions to not to anger console manufacturers.

RDR2 is very inconsistent like all Rockstar games. At times it's like a great novel or high quality HBO show, other times it's generic derivative trash.

Growing up with country music (but not a fan of it) I would have to disagree.
Spot on otherwise

>A SJW who is known for saying blatant lies like "Yea Forums loves Other M" and his proof is the fanart dumps he calls "porn"

ACFag is many things, chief among them a high functioning autist, but I'd be surprised if he was a SJW.

considering how he bitches about Female characters showing skin and having personality, I say he is a SJW

The series is still suffering from the fallout of it and trying to course correct.
I think the real unpopular opinion you can pull from that is this:
>Fusion was trying to do the exact same thing Other M did. Held back only by the tech of the time.
Fusion is huge foreshadowing of what Sakamoto was going to steer the series into and I think it’s to blame in addition to Other M

With rare exception he bitches about EVERYTHING that doesn't pertain directly to gameplay. Female portrayals just happens to be a low hanging fruit that Yea Forums will go for 9 times out of 10, making it an easy target. I would say he's a shitposter but he's clung to his narrative LONG after the joke should've worn off. A normal person would've gotten bored by now as he's been at it for years. Ergo, a high functioning autist.

Skyward Sword was a decent Zelda title and a good game overall

Twilight Princess was a good follow-up to Ocarina of Time, not better but a proper successor

Wind Waker is a mediocre game and a shit Zelda aside from tone and character design.

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After seeing Metroid violently murdered and left to rot for 10 years, why shouldn't I hate everything that led to its destruction? Waifufags decided that Samus being a vulnerable waifu was more important than good gameplay. Moviefags decided that gameplay should be skippable, but cutscenes shouldn't. Console fanboys argued that the company did nothing wrong, and I shouldn't be allowed to voice my complaints. All of these things are a rotting cancer, and the sooner they are cut out, the better.

>Agree
>Agree except I like TP ever so slightly more
>Agree___

Except none of that actually happened and Other M is largely shunned outside of its (still puzzling) positive critical reception. The series was put on ice for over half a decade after that debacle. As for ZSS threads, those are waifufag threads and not Metroid threads.

Pathologic is just about the only videogame, aside from maybe The Void, that qualifies as well written and legitimate art.

>Other M is largely shunned
>except for the 100 million Nintendo fans who absolutely love it because it gave them more ZSS, which they proudly make threads about daily

And don't give me that crap that "oh ZSS wasn't invented by Other M". You know what was invented by Other M? Samus being a vulnerable, fragile bimbo who needs to be rescued by a man 24/7. And guess what the majority of ZSS porn and fanart is about?

It's funny how people on either end of the spectrum arrive to this conclusion.

Off the top of my head:

Mother 3 (thematically it would be praised by classic literature writers with how it handles the destruction of a society at the hands of modern scientific advancements/influences by the use of authoritarian figures)
Portal 2 (From start to finish every aspect of the game's writing not only establishes more of the world, it leads the story along, and almost every single moment plays off the setting, game design or characters to great comedic affect)

I'm currently playing Hellblade and while the gameplay is horrendously uninspired, the writing is genius and draws you into Senua's trauma and turmoil.

Ultimately though games need to focus primarily on conveying their themes through gameplay instead of writing, the ending to Brothers is probably the simplest and greatest modern example of a game working it's narrative beats into the actual design and conveying a poignant idea/emotion by the end of the journey.

How can anyone say this has anything other than masterful writing?

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Wow bfa is a good extension.

Retreading similar ground but with interesting new elements does not make the following product after inferior, shallow, or "mainstream." While some video games definitely do legitimately rip off major fiction novels, other's use those stories and interwove it with elements of interactivity unique to games to make them wholly new experiences. Judging story in games as an isolated element is retarded because it's not like those gameplay moments mean nothing unless it's a walking sim or a literal visual novel. GOT was written in contrast to Tolkein, without it GOT in the form it is now. Building upon what other successful artist do is 90% of art creation, people who create legitimately new and wholly unique ideas come decades apart from each other

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ACfag has fucked off a long time, probably a few anons that keep shitposting his images to keep his memory alive

Fighting games are shit, and if you play a video game competitively you're an absolute degenerate piece of shit.

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Brawl had the best art style out of every Smash game. Ultimate has terrible lighting and an overabundance of graphic effects which hurt the gameplay. Stages either look too dark or smoke trails and other effects cover up the action.

Nigger pretty much everything ever has been at some point even well renowned books rarely tend to be the first to touch up on the topics they cover. A huge part of it also comes down to refining and modernizing the topics.

Why do you play video games, Chad? Certainly not for...fun, right? I seriously hope you don't do this.

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tell me when your breaking your wrist to learn those combos in your fighting game do you consider that enjoyable? If not, then why do you even play it?

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Who's the mech on the left by Samus?

It's actually baffling to me that there are people on here right now that genuinely believe that games like Mario/Zelda have a good and complex story line. They're also extremely predictable manchildren with a tribal mentality, so like 20 of them will probably reply to this post with "HURR LE SNOY LE SNOY LE SNOY".

Zinaida, from Armored Core: Last Raven.

If he's fucked off then he has some very dedicated imitators.

say that to him.

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a few of the FNAF games are actually fun

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Casual gamers aren't a problem. It's when games start catering to them that shitty games start dominating the scene

I'm playing through the Uncharted games right now and the writing is laughable, from the plot to dialogue. Just the most generic, awful Hollywood shit you could imagine.

ay lmao

>It's when games start catering to them that shitty games start dominating the scene

true.

was made with casuals in mind

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>Sunshine = best 3D Mario
not an unpopular opinion

Video games should take more advantage of the medium instead of trying to be like movies or books, by which I mean they need to stop relying upon conventions that other mediums adhere to in order to tell a story if they want to be recognized as an art form.

Books and movies are considered works of art not based solely on the stories they tell, but on the manner they tell them in and on how the author/director uses language/cinematography in a way unique to their medium of choice. Take Bioshock for example, intentionally or not it does a really good job of putting the player into the story with "Would You Kindly" since it is a direct result of your actions and they way in which the setup and reveal is structured is designed to provoke an emotional response to being manipulated (which it was objectively successful in doing, considering how fondly remembered the twist is). More games should embrace the fact that they're video games instead of trying to be pseudo-pretentious bullshit.

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Play ABZU, The Witness and Eastshade if you want 100% control over your character.

better then wojaks fake boomer

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>Undertale is objectively better than Lisa is every way.
Thank you. I can't believe there's not more people complaining about it. Bite is literally bullshit and can end an entire speedrun.

If you want good writing, buy a fucking book.

FFXIV Shadowbringers

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The fucking Lucasarts adventure games

People who brag about beating single player games are insecure casuals who want to appear more hardcore than others but without putting in effort.

Thanks friend

this is why people regard game like hl2 as some of the best when it comes to writing, its because how your actions through gordon in gameplay is what makes you relate to the him instead of you trying to mold to the character instead like other games

What now OP?

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>And guess what the majority of ZSS porn and fanart is about?
A 6'3" blonde amazon in skintight latex?

There isn't a single book with good writing. The praise of hacks like Dean Koontz and Stephanie Meyer is proof of this.

>masterful writing
How so?

>there are people on here right now that genuinely believe that games like Mario/Zelda have a good and complex story line
No one thinks this. You're attacking strawmen.

>he didn't do the rollercoaster tycoon CYOA

You think I play fighting games? I only play games with a profound and compelling story that's also very diverse. That's all that matters.

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ITT delusional manchildren

based

Torment had good writing

I didn't say that all games that do this are bad. There's a few games (and other things) that are derivative and great, and some incorporate so much that they can legitimately be called art. This is not the case for the majority of them, however.

>yeah you know that influential classic?
>what if I made it into a game? it's a totally new experience!
epic

It's frankly insulting. If you already knew the game's source material, you'd find the retread to be unimaginative, and at most just a bit of fun, but never something to be praised.

Like seriously, imagine if you had read Heart of Darkness and seen Apocalypse Now- imagine playing Spec Ops: The Line, and seeing reviewers give it high praise. People ON THIS BOARD unironically like that game. Again, derivative doesn't mean bad- it COULD have done something with its medium (like Apocalypse Now did), but it DIDN'T, and its biggest "accomplishment" is merely its claim of being derivative of Heart of Darkness lol, and the "twists" are very clearly something that anyone with half a brain could see coming because it's also derivative as fuck of games like MGS2 (though this game itself was great).

Give a time traveler from the past Assassin's Creed: Syndicate and I'm sure they'll think it is the face of God. Give it to someone that has played every single Assassin's Creed game prior and has a history of gaming in general- they'll be disgusted. Throw on top of that centuries of human history involving all mediums (if you of course, are familiar with any of it), and you can start to see just how pathetic most games really are.

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>good writing
Good writing is vague and doesn't mean it has to be grand literature like the Brothers Karamazov or A Canticle for Leibowitz, good writing just means something that is compelling and engrossing for the audience. Something that is consistent and enjoyable for whomever is partaking in it. Video games meet that criteria. A lot of it is the equivalent of movie schlock but that isn't inherently a bad thing, it's a different medium with different expectations. Can games have deep writing? Sure, but those aren't wildly popular; most people like the equivalent of shallow movies and pulpy books, just like in those respective mediums. For ever STALKER there's ten Transformers, for every Night Land there's a Twilight or Shades of Grey, and with video games for every Planescape Torment or Alpha Centauri, or SOMA, there's ten ASSFAGGOTS or battle royale titles.

It's all about expectations, bro.

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This.
MGS2's story was too tryhard and the original desert setting planned before it was cut due to 9/11 would've been a way more interesting idea.
MGS3's story felt too predictable and the 1950s Soviet aesthetic is just boring to me, that and the filter bothered me a lot.
MGS1 felt like a nice balance, given it was set in the early 2000s, had a 90s aesthetic, played well and the story wasn't already in the ridiculous levels. Hell you could play MG, MG2, and MGS1 and just end it there. Liquid Snake is dead. Solid Snake saved the world, never mind the post-end credits, and Snake lives happily with Meryl and Otacon and fuck anyone that says anything. What's a Venom Snake? A Raiden? Never heard of it.

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The gameplay was decent but the level design was garbage. Also the story was garbage.

Half-Life two was arguably one of the best games in the last twenty years. It has always received a lot of shit here, but everything about it was the times. 2004 - 2010 will forever be the pinnacle of gaming.

plebs

>essentially retcons every other Metroid game
>correct path

>Bayonetta and Shantae bad.
>Having an emotional character arc is bad
Other than those two points. I completely agree with you. And yes 2B deserves to be on the right because she's a shite overrrated character.

I doubt the person that made this image is an SJW seeing as Other M Samus is on the "female characters you should avoid" section.

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based

He's only shitting on Other M to try and get SJW brownie points

Atlus should stop making Persona games and should make new ips.

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Night in the woods, you get to play as a feral cat that caught rabies from fucking a nigger ratcoon
>The coon is a coon, get it?
The cat then proceeds to terrorize it's home town by generally just being a piece of shit. Theres a cult and a gay Bear too or some shit. Anyways, greatest story ever written.

>choose your own adventure books
um sweetie :)

I'm surprised atlus made catherine. It's way more mature than anything else they've made, must have been a lightning bolt

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Smash Ultimate should be the last smash bros game there is literally no important characters to add left and has been this way since Smash 4. Smash Ultimate's focus was just fanservice.

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>Having an emotional character arc is bad
There are these wonderful mediums called movies and books if you want that. Video games should be designed with gameplay in mind.

>Bayonetta and Shantae bad.
Way too many threads have consisted of nothing but people wanting Shantae to poop on them, or wanting Bayo to crush their balls with her gun heels. Never ever gameplay discussion.

Woah there, one more shitty hot take in this thread, and you're all going to blown to dust, think carefully.

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CYOA sucks

Caligula effect?

They stepped out of their comfort zone which every company should do now.

Not really, I won't deny that MGS2 and 3 are good games. And MGS2's censorship theme is very relevant to this day. But other than that, MGS2 has a lot of aspects that didn't age well and you can start seeing Kojima's writing dwindle. MGS3 is alright but the comedic support team and the fucking weird ass modern warfare yellow bloom filter used in the entire game that was really distracting for me. They aren't bad games, I just don't feel like they continue what I enjoyed from the MSX games and MGS1

>Caligula effect
They're the publishers not the developers

Planescape torment is the pinnacle of vidya writing, nothing else comes close.

well I agree on that too games should have a compelling diverse story.

This user knows what's up. All the good game stories was in older games like Planescape and Ultima.

STEVEFAGS BTFO

but unironically, i still want waluigi as a dlc fighter, then the series can end

To the Moon/a Bird Story/Finding Paradise

what don't you like about fallout?

>implying games even had story Pre 1990
give up on the fucking boomer meme, it doesn't make you cool
>implying Ultima had a good story, sure it had good gameplay but story? No.

what do you like about spirit tracks? and what rockstar games do you like?

Silent hill 2/4
Lisa the painful
The wolf among us

I'm a banjofag retard that's why I legit think they can't add anyone else. And I admit all the newcomers so far have been fan service and Incineroar. Literally there is nobody to add left and whoever they add anymore is gonna be shit after this DLC.

It's than, not then, dumb ESL.
And how is it better?

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I know it had good writing

Well you're not wrong about kojima and Druckmann being shit

I’m pretty sure it was birthed on /fit/

I see
>There are these wonderful mediums called movies and books if you want that. Video games should be designed with gameplay in mind.
Already read and watched plenty. but story can work hand in hand with gameplay. Look at Legacy of Kain, Fallout, etc. That is the point of CRPGs and Action Adventure games. Don't completely negate story just because retards are using it for their "cinematic interactive movies" because that's not how stories in games should work. Here's some good games with good stories
>Fallout 1-2 + NV
>Kingdom Come Deliverance
>Legacy of Kain
>Resident Evil
etc
Whilst not the best quality, all manage to merge gameplay well with story. Therefore, if a story is there, a good character arc needs to be done so that both the story and gameplay balance each other out. Too much story can of course, be detrimental to the gameplay, that's why if you're putting a nice long story to the game, the gameplay must supplement it well. Plus on the left you put at least three story-driven games. So I am not sure why you should remove a character arc from a game that's already story-driven to begin with. Samus has an emotional character arc in Metroid (and I am talking Metroid 2 and Super, not Other M), so this really does not make sense.
>Way too many threads have consisted of nothing but people wanting Shantae to poop on them, or wanting Bayo to crush their balls with her gun heels. Never ever gameplay discussion.
So? Have you SEEN Metroid discussions? Are you negating their characters purely because of the fact that people waifufag them? That's fucking dumb. Everyone will waifufag even the most unattractive character. I've seen it in so many threads. Hell, almost every Cave Story thread I've seen waifufags pretty much every character in it, and barely talks about gameplay, yet Curly is right there in the "female characters to emulate" section. Why is that?

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Wojaks are lazy as fuck and the only people that use them are self absorbed niggers that think they have to build up a personality for an anonymous image board.

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I have no face and I must scream has some pretty good writing, for obvious reasons

youtu.be/UPn0T4ZpLKE

Bad time ahead for you op

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video games did not die ya'll are dumb ass 20 year old "boomers" you pretend you're old and you hate anything new because you want to look good on a fucking anonymous image board.

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>Already read and watched plenty. but story can work hand in hand with gameplay
Only when environmental narrative is implemented, like Super Metroid. A game with 50+ hours of cutscenes is not properly integrating the two.

>Plus on the left you put at least three story-driven games.
Which ones would those be?

>So? Have you SEEN Metroid discussions? Are you negating their characters purely because of the fact that people waifufag them?
I'm negating their characters because the game actively encourages waifufagging. If it was like Cave Story and people just so happened to want to fuck Curly, I could excuse it as horny nerds letting their imaginations run wild. But I can't ignore it when the game itself is shoving sex in my face and forcing the gameplay to come to a halt so it can show me the character designers and their work on the jiggle physics. That's why I hold a disdain for even Metroid games that show too much zero suit, and why my favorite is Metroid Prime. It has none whatsoever. That's what the series should emulate.

>god eating someone.jpeg
Nigga that's Kronos/Saturn

sorry that I don't know greek mythology.

Legacy of Kain

>There are only two games worth playing on the switch
Those being?

>Only when environmental narrative is implemented, like Super Metroid. A game with 50+ hours of cutscenes is not properly integrating the two.
I never said that. Read my entire post. I literally criticise that in my own post.
>Which ones would those be?
Again you did not read my post. Try again. You even said it yourself. The other one is Cave Story and that artsy looking yellow character which I could've sworn was from some kind of story-based Spanish indie game
>I'm negating their characters because the game actively encourages waifufagging.
Shantae's character was made in the 90s dude it was originally a game boy game. It has nothing to do with waifufagging.
>If it was like Cave Story and people just so happened to want to fuck Curly, I could excuse it as horny nerds letting their imaginations run wild. But I can't ignore it when the game itself is shoving sex in my face and forcing the gameplay to come to a halt so it can show me the character designers and their work on the jiggle physics.
Yet Shantae does none of that? Her character was literally designed based on traditional Belly Dancers and her gimmick was based on historical belly dancing. It's a pure mythological based gameplay mechanic. Again she was designed in the 90s and the cover art of the original game boy game does not imply anything sexual, nor did the sequel Risky's Revenge. Later games did put sexual fan service but that's like saying Samus is forever sexual because of zero suit and Metroid Other M
>That's why I hold a disdain for even Metroid games that show too much zero suit, and why my favorite is Metroid Prime. It has none whatsoever. That's what the series should emulate.
You're raising some serious eyebrows dude.

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There is literally nothing good about RDR2's story. The idea that it's good is something that everyone just accepts without questioning it. It's a shitty story with unbelievable scenarios like Guarma that totally goes against the serious nature of the game it's trying to be. Not to mention there isn't even really something Arthur is trying to acheive until he falls ill, so much of the game, especially chapters 3-5, feels totally aimless and superfluous to the plot. It is a bad story, badly told. There are many situations in the game, like shooting up Strawberry or Guarma itself, where the game totally abandons any sense of believability.. I don't understand how anyone can accept it as good writing, I really don't.

Better start learning. Shit's interesting.

Yet gesture theatre btfo vidya gaemz any day

>I never said that. Read my entire post. I literally criticise that in my own post
You also mention Resident Evil as a good example, despite it also being rife with unnecessary, stupid cutscenes everywhere. Remember RE4 and RE5?

>The other one is Cave Story and that artsy looking yellow character which I could've sworn was from some kind of story-based Spanish indie game
Ah. Well, for Curly, her game was made on an extremely tiny budget, so the cutscenes couldn't be flashy or long. All Pixel cared about was getting you to the next game segment. Unlike Resident Evil, they're quite minimal and aren't littered with clutter like voice acting or fancy high def CGI graphics. As for the yellow woman, she's from a game called Transistor, which also has very few cutscenes. You mostly find out about the world through lore, ala Metroid Prime. The rest is a straight shot.

>Shantae's character was made in the 90s dude it was originally a game boy game. It has nothing to do with waifufagging.
Really user? So the series isn't rife with close-ups of Shantae in her underwear, bathing naked, or in sexy slave leia outfits? That doesn't count as waifufaggotry?

>Yet Shantae does none of that?
See above. The series already tainted itself with that filth. Now nobody ever wants to touch it unless they can jerk off to it.

>that's like saying Samus is forever sexual because of zero suit and Metroid Other M
Unfortunately that's true. Look how much zero Suit has been made the "face" of Metroid. You literally can't talk about Metroid because of the stupid waifufags. It is a cancerous disease that must be destroyed, lest it destroy the series it infests.

>You're raising some serious eyebrows dude.
I'm sorry. I just hate waifufags. They ruined my favorite series, so now I won't give them or fanservice games the time of day.

>ITT: unpopular opinions
>Yea Forums

Let's face it. This place in general has shit taste in video games and most of the opinions people fling here are shit.

>Scream about hacks all day
>Mostly consumes the most mainstream AAA media that he's told is good from e-celebs and journalist pieces.
>Can't stomach a game if Yea Forums memed about it's cliche's, even when it's a game they would have liked without Yea Forums's input.

Here's an unpopular opinion, most of the users here have no thinking capabilities of their own and rely on other's to fill in the blanks. Why else do we have threads every other day about how "Yea Forums lied" about a game to someone or the ever so popular "Fell for the meme" shit where people blame their impulse purchasing on Yea Forums?

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Agreed, it’s a great game

stay mad loser lol

>You also mention Resident Evil as a good example, despite it also being rife with unnecessary, stupid cutscenes everywhere. Remember RE4 and RE5?
>Implying I am praising RE4-RE6
>Ah. Well, for Curly, her game was made on an extremely tiny budget, so the cutscenes couldn't be flashy or long. All Pixel cared about was getting you to the next game segment.
Still story driven. You don't need long dialogue for a story, an emotional arc is still necessary for a character and doesn't need to be conveyed through words. But you're literally saying a female character cannot be emotional. Which breaks the conventions of storytelling. Even doomguy has an emotional arc.
>Really user? So the series isn't rife with close-ups of Shantae in her underwear, bathing naked, or in sexy slave leia outfits? That doesn't count as waifufaggotry?
You have terrible reading comprehension. I literally said the first two games avoided that. The next ones had Japanese weeb artists in charge. You're willing to give Samus an exception who gets waifu-fagged hard and yet you don't do the same for at least pre-nu Shantae? Come on.
>See above. The series already tainted itself with that filth. Now nobody ever wants to touch it unless they can jerk off to it.
Tell that to me and my friend and several other people that fondly remember the original games. MGS is touched by lore newfags and by Kojima meddling by putting in stupid long cutscenes (MGS1 and Ghost Babel were the last good MGS games), but that doesn't mean I'll hate the games before it.
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Here's the real unpopular opinion - sure, video games have shit writing.

However, books are way overrated. There are some real fucking dummies praised as great writers.

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>>Unfortunately that's true. Look how much zero Suit has been made the "face" of Metroid. You literally can't talk about Metroid because of the stupid waifufags It is a cancerous disease that must be destroyed, lest it destroy the series it infests
So? I can't talk about Vampire the Masquerade on Yea Forums because everyone keeps inserting SJWs into it. I can't talk about OG Deus Ex on Yea Forums because some fortnite YouTuber made zoomers find out about and /pol/ has the wrong idea about the game. And I can't talk about KCD because everyone thinks the dev is some kind of alt-right spy despite him literally arguing against both Nazi-sympathisers and communists and despite the game literally having a protagonist that is against the German rule of Czechia and the HRE as a whole, yet he's still demonised to this day and every Yea Forums thread won't shut up about that. Let's be frank, it's almost impossible to seriously discuss vidya. The last good thread I had on Yea Forums was an X-Files and Hellsing thread both of which were fucking great. Funnily enough despite the waifu fags in the Hellsing thread, there were still people actually discussing Seras' character and her arc, which is what made that thread so great. Waifufags are everywhere, and yes they are annoying. They will sexualise anything even if it is showing no skin, but that's no need to throw genuine characters in the trash just because they have sex appeal. It makes no sense. Samus has shown off skin since Day 1. But that doesn't make her a bad character. Her reveal as a female character showed her with skin showing. Are you gonna discredit her just for that? Arguing over something like this is pointless, people will derail threads for the stupidest things, Waifufags are just one of the many shitpostfags that ruin threads. Shitposting ruins every thread, user. You can't stop it and you can't think that making a character as non-sexual as possible will put an end to it, if anything it'll make it worse.

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>But you're literally saying a female character cannot be emotional. Which breaks the conventions of storytelling. Even doomguy has an emotional arc.
They can't be emotional if it's gonna negatively impact the game. Doomguy's pure seething hatred of demons compels him to go through hell and rip the ass of any monster he finds, often in an explosive fashion. Now compare that to your average cinematic experience, where we need a cutscene every 5 seconds to showcase how sad the character is.

>You're willing to give Samus an exception who gets waifu-fagged hard and yet you don't do the same for at least pre-nu Shantae? Come on.
I give Samus an exception because the games are actually good when you take out the fanservice. The original Shantae was pure gameboy shovelware trash. They skirted solely on fanservice. Even Metroid 2 had more going for it despite being a gameboy game, because it was ambitious in its level design and opted for semi-non-linearity.

>Tell that to me and my friend and several other people that fondly remember the original games
Well, I have a hard time believing that they even exist when every single Shantae discussion to ever exist through time, back all the way to the 1990's, was nothing but waifufags. So it's hard to take them seriously.

The point I'm making, user, is to remove all fanservice. Whether waifufags will sexualize it or not is irrelevant. The point is to not encourage them. If they turn on the game and hate it as a result, then it shows that they never cared in the first place.

NOw please understand, this has nothing to do with sexism or misogyny or whatever tumblr is rambling around these days. My hatred of fanservice lies purely in the negative effect it has on gameplay. If I could, I'd remove almost everything from a game that wasn't the actual game mechanics, I'm sick of games being cinematic, same with them being super expensive graphical set pieces, or political mouth pieces, or multiplayer lootbox gamble-fests. To me, it all has to be burned.

>PoP
what game are you abbreviating, user?

The Witcher 1 may have had a bit silly story, but the writing was absolutely top notch, like a dark fantasy novel told through video game format, I think it's the closest vidya ever got to being an actual piece of art.

>They can't be emotional if it's gonna negatively impact the game. Doomguy's pure seething hatred of demons compels him to go through hell and rip the ass of any monster he finds, often in an explosive fashion. Now compare that to your average cinematic experience, where we need a cutscene every 5 seconds to showcase how sad the character is.
Yet Doomguy's rage is based on the death of his pet bunny, that cutscene of the camera slowly turning towards the decapitation of Daisy's head was enough for us to feel Doomguy's emotional impact. That's good storytelling because it gives us an emotional arc by showing it to us in a subtle way unlike retarded sad cutscene like most other vidya. Also quit shoving opinions that aren't mine down my mouth. I criticised the cinematic experience vidya several times in my posts and you're still acting like I am arguing positively for them. Quit doing that you illiterate. Read my posts and cease accusing me of opinions that I never claimed to have.
>I give Samus an exception because the games are actually good when you take out the fanservice. The original Shantae was pure gameboy shovelware trash. They skirted solely on fanservice.
You're gonna tell me that fucking cover art is fan service? How far are you reaching? How fucking delusional are you holy shit. You're like those retards that keep arguing Spider-Man 2 is shovel ware. If it wasn't. Explain how the fuck it got a sequel when the 90s era art showed barely any fan service or boobies.
>every single Shantae discussion to ever exist through time, back all the way to the 1990's, was nothing but waifufags
Care to fucking prove that? I've only found two bits of rule 34 of Shantae dating back to 1990s. Yet I found far more of Samus. The fuck is your argument here?

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>The point I'm making, user, is to remove all fanservice
That is a fucking terrible idea
>The point is to not encourage them. If they turn on the game and hate it as a result, then it shows that they never cared in the first place.
These faggots are obsessed dude. Look at fucking Tifa/Aerith fags. When the old waifufags die. New ones are born that fall in love with the new design. You can't stop these people. Even if you make them wear fucking Burkhas, the fucking discussion will devolve into censorship and women being censored and then we'll basically have that instead of waifufags. Which if you read my post, you'll see I have far more of a problem with than Waifufags because it's pure shitposting. I already said how discussing KCD is an impossibility on Yea Forums yet it is my favourite game, but it's being shitposted purely because of the political implications. Just as VTMB. Get this through your thick head. You WON'T FIX SHIT, YOU'LL MAKE IT WORSE
>NOw please understand, this has nothing to do with sexism or misogyny or whatever tumblr is rambling around these days. My hatred of fanservice lies purely in the negative effect it has on gameplay. If I could, I'd remove almost everything from a game that wasn't the actual game mechanics,
I understand that but that doesn't stop your idea from being fucking terrible and adding more fuel to the fire.
> I'm sick of games being cinematic, same with them being super expensive graphical set pieces, or political mouth pieces, or multiplayer lootbox gamble-fests. To me, it all has to be burned.
user. For the love of god. Stop assuming I am defending that crap when I've been criticising it for several posts now.

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>Yet Doomguy's rage is based on the death of his pet bunny, that cutscene of the camera slowly turning towards the decapitation of Daisy's head was enough for us to feel Doomguy's emotional impact.
I didn't feel much impact desu. It was just enough to justify him wanting to kill bad guys. It was out of the way and not shoved in my face, so I found it welcoming.

>You're gonna tell me that fucking cover art is fan service? How far are you reaching?
For one, the fandom as a whole doesn't even acknowledge the original games. They're too busy jerking off to the more recent ones. So erego, I come to the conclusion that they have nothing of worth to bring to the table.

>Care to fucking prove that? I've only found two bits of rule 34 of Shantae dating back to 1990s.
I have the entire history of Yea Forums's shantae threads as a backup. Every single one on Fireden is nothing but a porn dump, dating all the way back to 2015, and this was also true when it originally went back to 2010.

>The fuck is your argument here?
That the fandom's utter incompetence in terms of making every one single legitimate thread without it being a porn dump demonstrates how bad the series is. It would unironically be better if Shantae was too obscure to merit threads. Then you could write off the lack of discussion as the game simply not having enough attention drawn to it. But seeing it every single day means that it has a sizeable enough fanbase, so SOME discussion should be happening.

>game has to earn the right to be art
a shitty painting is still art, why should games be treated any differently?

>That is a fucking terrible idea
why?

>Get this through your thick head. You WON'T FIX SHIT, YOU'LL MAKE IT WORSE
honestly user, I never see this happen with really good games. When you delve into the trap of waifus, you've permanently tainted the series, so any attempt to fix it will be messy. I'm sorry to hear about KCD, but if it makes you feel better I think the game does deserve lenience considering the circumstances. As long as it's not openly pushing the shitposting and alt-right crap that journalists claim, then it shouldn't be held accountable. However, if it basically put a MAGA hat on every main character and talked about how to kill jews left and right, then would you blame me for discarding it as cheap political garbage?That's how I see fanservice games.

>I understand that but that doesn't stop your idea from being fucking terrible and adding more fuel to the fire.
The fuel is already there user. I'm attempting to set it off early, in a controlled burn scenario. If you don't get rid of it, or lessen it, it'll build and become out of control.

>user. For the love of god. Stop assuming I am defending that crap when I've been criticising it for several posts now.
I won't imply that you've said these things, but I'm merely clarifying my view on it. Many anons earlier called me an SJW, as if to imply that my aim was to virtue signal for good boy points. I wanted to clear the air.

>I didn't feel much impact desu. It was just enough to justify him wanting to kill bad guys. It was out of the way and not shoved in my face, so I found it welcoming.
That's your opinion, the subtlety felt in that was still enough to make Daisy memorable in the eyes of the fandom, so that does not discredit my claims
>For one, the fandom as a whole doesn't even acknowledge the original games. They're too busy jerking off to the more recent ones. So erego, I come to the conclusion that they have nothing of worth to bring to the table.
That doesn't discredit the actual original character though.
>I have the entire history of Yea Forums's shantae threads as a backup. Every single one on Fireden is nothing but a porn dump, dating all the way back to 2015, and this was also true when it originally went back to 2010.
user Shantae WAS revived in 2010, no shit that's when the porndumps started. You still haven't provided proof of the 90s porndump you mentioned
> It would unironically be better if Shantae was too obscure to merit threads.
Yes it is. But that once again doesn't discredit the character we're straying off the original point. You're talking about the series, I am talking about the character here.

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>there is nobody to add left
pic related and dante

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You think he thinks it had good writing.

This game was fucking shit

>why?
I explained why SEVERAL TIMES
>honestly user, I never see this happen with really good games.
If it doesn't, then other shitposting happens, I gave examples of it. You can't stop shitposting, waifufagging is a variation of shitposting and it ruins discussions and threads
>I'm sorry to hear about KCD, (cutting this because of low character space) However, if it basically put a MAGA hat on every main character and talked about how to kill jews left and right, then would you blame me for discarding it as cheap political garbage?
Except KCD doesn't do that. Game literally opens with the protagonists taking turns to throw shit at a German's house because he is German. The entire story conflict is that the Czech Emperor's throne is threatened because Hungarian and German beaurocrats don't like him for his incompetence as well as him strengthening Bohemia/Czechia like his father. The game literally conveys the antithesis of a Nazi message, it's Czech patriotism condensed into a medieval RPG.
>That's how I see fanservice games.
But again, even games with no fan service will have this problem. I can't name any atm because it's fucking late at night and my brain is already fucking fried from this argument, but the best I can come up with right now is Alyx from HL2. She's non-sexualised but threads waifufag her like HELL
>The fuel is already there user. I'm attempting to set it off early, in a controlled burn scenario. If you don't get rid of it (...) it'll build and become out of control.
Yeah. There's another way you get rid of it. It's simple. You force the Janitors to do their job and get rid of off-topic shit. But guess what? They won't and they'll ban good threads instead! Goodie! You can blame Hiro for that. Not Game devs.

As for the last point, fair enough. No counter-argument there.

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>we love eachother but we cant be together.
Wow how revolutionary.

Gyro aiming is not as good as a mouse and never will be

Either way, I've said my piece here, I've been arguing for too long and my brain's getting fried because I am too tired for long discussions, and it's getting late for me. I am heading to bed, adieu user. I hope you'll understand what I am trying to get here and it gets through your thick skull. Again, waifufagging is a problem, but it's a collective problem of shitposters. And really the biggest people responsible are the Jannies. They should be cleaning up this mess and shit and banning these people, not Devs. That's all I gotta say. Ye ye.

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Wrong
I've read plenty of books where the story can be manipulated by the reader by doing page choices, those have better gameplay than the ones with linear story

This

>That's your opinion, the subtlety felt in that was still enough to make Daisy memorable in the eyes of the fandom
And yet the threads aren't just people jerking off the story as this cinematic masterpiece. they're too busy talking about the game.

>That doesn't discredit the actual original character though.
It does if I try and discuss the original game and get called a faggot for it. No joke, I've asked multiple times about the validity of the original titles, if they still held up for example. Some of my favorite responses included posts like "shut the fuck up and post pics of Shantae taking a poop". You'd think a fanbase that loves their game series wouldn't pass up the opportunity to talk about the hidden gems in the series.

>You still haven't provided proof of the 90s porndump you mentioned
I proved it with my multiple quests to discuss the original games, doing my best to incite the so called "true shantae fans" who actually cared. Where were they user?

>You're talking about the series, I am talking about the character here.
Of what merit should I be convinced, in terms of the character herself? What does she bring to the table that makes her such a good character? To me, the difference between Shantae and Samus is that Samus is still fun even if she's not showing off her ass. Shantae's gameplay is barebones and lackluster. I should know, I suffered through the POS that was Risky's Revenge, and wasted time with Half Genie Hero and Pirate's Curse. And despite what you said, the original gameboy title shares every single flaw with the later games.

based phoenix wright

>Calling Twilight bad
>Defend hacks like Kojima

Call both shit you subhuman

Okay, and? I play games for the gameplay because I'm not a fag.

Hard bullshit on this.

You recreationally go through books deep diving into:
>Boiler plate Operating Systems
>Israeli Architecture
>Expressionism in early German Cinema
>"Theory and Method in Ethnomusicology"

Fuck off outta here dude. I read a lot but that'd be insane. I'm calling bullshit on that list.

>I explained why SEVERAL TIMES
And I've had to disagree several times. If a shitstorm is brewing because waifufags aren't getting their daily titty quota, then I say let it burn.Let the game be galvanized in the fires of shitposting, so that it may prove itself with good gameplay discussion. Look at games like TF2 for example. 10 years of hats, valve drones, anti-valve haters, cross-shooter shitposters from overwatch threads, and even the occasional fem pyro poster, and yet none of them could destroy TF2 discussion.

>You can't stop shitposting,
You can try at least. Again I point you to TF2. Shitposting does happen, but the game continues being discussed in spite of it. It doesn't give up and jump into the shitposting pool. And what a coincidence, it's a game that doesn't rely on waifus to sell.

>Except KCD doesn't do that.
Then the good gameplay should propel it above any shitposting, even the kind that's politically charged.

>Alyx from HL2. She's non-sexualised but threads waifufag her like HELL
But because the games don't purposely encourage it, there's still room for discussion with everything else. Imagine how much worse it would be if the game purposely made her sex appeal.

i understand your points user. I know that shitposting is a major problem, and getting rid of waifufags won't automatically get rid of it. However, I think we need to start somewhere, and maybe if we establish a precedent, maybe devs AND the jannies will follow suit.

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Wrong, here are some games with a good plot:
Baldur Gate
Deus Ex
Planetscape Torment
Dragon Age Origin
Mass Effect 1
Detroit Beyond Human
Witcher 3
Morrowind
I could keep going on and on

Violence in any form is the laziest way of creating tension in a computer game and should be seen almost always as a negative attribute of any work.

>all games have bad writing because people praise Kojima and Druckmann

What an absolutely stupid thing to say. How exactly does people's fondness of these two individuals mean the entire medium as a whole has bad writing?

I know I said I'd head to bed in . But I'll make a final point
>doing my best to incite the so called "true shantae fans" who actually cared. Where were they user?
They are in /vr/ dude. Don't every try to discuss older games with Zoomer people on Yea Forums who only know said game BECAUSE of newer game/fanservice/porn/youtuber. I gave examples of older games like VTMB or AC previously having good threads, then when Zoomers heard of a new game, they shat on it. That's the problem You want to really discuss classic OG Shantae? Try /vr/. There you'll find real fans that'll also acknowledge it's flaws. That is all.

> Look at games like TF2 for example
That's bullshit. Have you seen TF2 discussions lately? They've all gone to shit talking about the dumbest fucking shitposting crap. TF2 discussions are the worst on the Yea Forums to the point I've had friends switched to reddit for it (and them getting far worse experiences jokes on them, they should've gone to /vg/)
> but the game continues being discussed in spite of it
HAH! Rarely. Remember the Henry situation from a few weeks ago? A TF2 discussion that was completely derailed by one pole and a weeb arguing over something fucking childish
>Then the good gameplay should propel it above any shitposting, even the kind that's politically charged.
It doesn't because the game's pretty fucking hard desu, most Zoomers don't have the patience to play it, also the combat is janky because it's made by Czechs and tries to replicate realistic medieval combat, it's fun tho.
>there's still room for discussion with everything else
Yet HL2 discussions have just been "it's a movie cinematic game" for the past three years and Alyx waifufagging. So no. Discussions have not been solid with HL2

I've made my piece. Now I must sleep. Adieu and Good night.

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why do redditors expect people to be impressed that they read books?

I really enjoyed the story to Max Payne

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Super Mario Galaxy 1 was far superior to its sequel. Galaxy 2 was good, but its level design was significantly worse and it didn't really act as though it took place in space much at all.

i can only hope that I find these fans in /vr/. it did work for Super Metroid, so why not?

>That's bullshit. Have you seen TF2 discussions lately? They've all gone to shit talking about the dumbest fucking shitposting crap
I don't know user. I kinda prefer it to console wars and endless wojaks and porn spam.Even if it's just people talking about how soldier mains are retards, or pyro mains are too busy jerking off their M+1, at least nuggets of gameplay will come up.

>remember the Henry situation from a few weeks ago?
I actually don't. I assume it was bad?

>It doesn't because the game's pretty fucking hard desu
Then I suggest going the hollow knight route. If they complain about it being hard, tell them to git gud or GTFO. Better yet, argue that their insistance on bringing politics into the discussion is proof that they need something to deflect from them being low skill casual zoomie filth.

>Yet HL2 discussions have just been "it's a movie cinematic game" for the past three years and Alyx waifufagging
The waifufagging I won't defend, but the "cinematic movie game" part is something that should be discussed. Essentially we should be dissecting games in an attempt to improve story/gameplay integration. While HL2 was a nice attempt, being forced into one spot and having dialogue fed to you is not the most optimal.

To each their own I guess.