For those who defend lootboxes and microtransactions in games and defend the corporations against the potential...

the persistence on this instead of the many more pressing issues the American govt. can act on just seems like pure jealousy instead of genuine care or defense

Well when I shill for lootboxes it's like I'm part of the problem. I like ruining things for everyone else, because it is fun.

But no yeah I totally agree that if the ESRB and big Corpo like EA, Activition, and Ubishit had their way gaming would continue to be a fucking degenerate Industry like it has been for years now.

If the government steps up and the bill passes these assholes wouldn't get away with the exploit of teenage and infant addiction to DOGSHIT exploitative mechanics to extort money for a horribly put together piece of shit they call content.

Let's assume for a second the bill passes and these faggots can't lootbox kids anymore, then there would start to be a demand for Adult rated games. Leave E and T rated shit to Nintendo, these fucking dipshits need to wake the fuck up and realize Adult rated games are going to be in demand they gotta double down for when that shit hits.

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You think /pol/ defends gambling? So it really is just a boogeyman for things you don’t like, huh I thought that was just a meme too.

They are exactly like kinder eggs without the unhealthy sugar and that’s fun.

I was one stupid motherfucking kid, but even I knew that you don't swallow a fucking kinder egg...

How fucking dumb do you have to be to choke on a plastic?

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>microtransactions
uhm sweetie they are actually called mini deals

>I think there should be some sort of caveat that they’re only allowed if the user can be verified 18+
They technically are already like that since you can only buy this stuff with credit card. That isn't going to stop kids

>leave E and T rated shit to nintendo
>nintendo is keeping bare asses in games while sony is stepping up censorship
I think you're gonna see the return of the 90s-era console war advertising where Sega was EXTREME and nintendo was the "kiddie shit". This time Sony is gonna be the progressive, family friendly despite hyping up gay butt sex, safe console and nintendo is gonna just throw boobs in your face.

I would be amused if that happened.

>it's not rape, it's surprise sex! it's quite ethical

Moot point anyway since you have to be 21+ to gamble in the US.

/pol/ thinks companies should get to do whatever they want and that’s mentally retarded

>/pol/ is one user

Fuck this broken English

its called free market. EA is allowed to sell whatever they want just as much as I am allowed to completely ignore anything remotely related to EA.
just because you don't like something doesn't mean it has to be banned

No but getting a government intervention will lead into a slippery slope for other issues like violence and anime tiddies

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Gamers focus on the most stupid things I swear

>le slippery slope

To be fair I played some gachas I enjoyed. If this had passed they probably wouldn't have been made.

>anime tiddies
It's already too late for those now.

You have no idea what /pol/ does or does not support.
Everything you think about /pol/ is almost certainly reliant on testimony.

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Why are you still pretending this is a big issue?

>devs aren't allowed to be greedy, money-grubbing villains anymore! Waaah!

No one cares.

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>For those who defend lootboxes and microtransactions in games and defend the corporations against the potential regulation, why do you
I think if they're going to ban these, they should go ban shit like smoking first.

>He thinks that when given a chance to expand their influence, power centers won't take a mile

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>"just legalized gay marriage guys! nothing bad gonna happened"
>pronounce, tranny, gender fluid bullshit are now the norm

No, actually if anything, I expected something like this. I'm glad they had to put their own foot in their mouth

not physically anyway

Nobody would choke it was basically US chocolate companies bribing a law in to stop competition

at first they came for the lootboxers and no one spoke up
then they came for violent vidya and no one spoke up
then they came for my anime tiddies and world war 3 broke out

But it is a serious problem targeting and exploiting children. That it just happens to overlap with larger video game industry practices is a nice bonus for us

You have no way of knowing that, or the board culture, or what shapes it’s opinions. Like I said, it’s your boogeyman for credibility.

Fuck off bigot

>just as much as I am allowed to completely ignore anything remotely related to EA.
That doesn't stop the whales, ie, the people the corporations actually listen to

First of all, this woman had the unenviable position of having to defend loot boxes in court and put the company's best case forward. People making a caricature out of her and mocking her for being stupid don't understand what it means to represent a company in a court of law or to a committee. I think it's pretty unfair that so many people who comment on this shit take potshots at her appearance and belittling her intelligence just for doing her job. But that's irrelevant to the topic.

I defend loot boxes mostly because I simply don't consider them gambling. They're closer to booster packs in a TCG than they are to a slot machine. Yes, some companies go the extra mile and evoke imagery that casino games use, and that's a bit on-the-nose and gross, but personally I've never felt compelled to purchase a lootbox to get one specific thing I wanted, because it was possible for me to get a specific thing if I played the game enough and saved up whatever shitty currency they use. I imagine many other people are in the same boat.

>b-but vote with your wallet FAILED

Did it? Since Overwatch dropped a few years ago, the only other game I've played with lootbox-esque content in it is MtG Arena. I play tons of video games and rarely encounter microtransactions. If lootboxes are infesting and ruining the genre, how can I so easily avoid it?

You forgot gachafags

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>But it is a serious problem targeting and exploiting children.

You have to confirm you're 18+ to make purchases, but I guess kids getting mom's credit card because she's not paying attention to what they use it for is the developer's fault.

Are these infringing on your rights in any way? I mean, in Canada sure but not in America.

>They technically are already like that since you can only buy this stuff with credit card. That isn't going to stop kids
You can actually buy this stuff with a debit card, functionally like a credit card for online purchases but deducts funds from your account instead. Also you don't need to be 18+ for a debit card or even a credit card these days with a parental or guardian co-sign agreement.

>People making a caricature out of her and mocking her for being stupid don't understand what it means to represent a company in a court of law or to a committee.
We do. It's just that the subject matter is funny to mock

>I defend loot boxes mostly because I simply don't consider them gambling. They're closer to booster packs in a TCG than they are to a slot machine.
Booster packs in a TCG are actual real tangible things that can be physically traded, sold and you are guaranteed a rare or uncommon in every pack

So she is a professional liar. She should pick a different position,

>b-but vote with your wallet FAILED
>Did it?
Yes

>You have to confirm you're 18+ to make purchases, but I guess kids getting mom's credit card because she's not paying attention to what they use it for is the developer's fault.
It's the developers fault for making a game with microtransactions in the first place. Anything that needs them to survive is not a good game

You know, why give any games that have microtransaction or lootboxes an M rating regardless if its a kids theme games? its a win/win situation for both pro and anti lootbox. I can't be the only one thinking of these right?

Am I supposed to feel bad for her because she made the decision to work for EA?

>it's le jews, not the elephant in the room

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>Booster packs in a TCG are actual real tangible things that can be physically traded, sold

So CSGO's crates are okay because your skins can be sold for money?

Honestly, CSGO is the best case for banning lootboxes to me because you're turning what should be a dumb Happy Meal-esque thing into a virtual scratch ticket.

>If lootboxes are infesting and ruining the genre, how can I so easily avoid it?
Not even giving you a (you), you are just doing the equivalent of closing your ears and going lalalala

It's already happening in New York

Well she's a Jewish woman. So doubly bad.

>why give any games that have microtransaction or lootboxes an M rating regardless if its a kids theme games?
That would be the ideal situation and would also fuck over the companies because there is no way you could sell FIFA 2020's lootboxes with an AO rating, they'd have a fit

Yes, the right to practice a religion.
>I can't bake cake for gays because I'm a Christian
>Fuck U bigot, I will sue you and run your business to the ground

>So CSGO's crates are okay because your skins can be sold for money?
It's still not real so no

Booster packs in a TCG have a fixed payout of certain rares/uncommons/commons. Lootboxes in video games are so wild that you don't know the actual probability you will get said item.

>It's still not real

You have a very strange definition of "real". Even if something is digital as opposed to physical, it's still real. It still has a market value and whether you own it or you don't is verifiable. This conversation we're having is "real" even if it's not happening physically.

read my post again
I suspect the only reason this is prioritized in the US govt. is because they saw eastern profit figures of "gambling mechanics" and they are not getting the local equivalent of that money in some way
in the presence of money, only Euros would give a genuine fuck in the protection of children

>blizzard said legendaries had a 1 in 20 chance per pack
>track mine for over 2 years
>reach the pity timer of 40 a lot, average was nearing the 30 packs
Scammers.

Those profit figures are in the West too though? Like with Overwatch or EA in general? Regulating lootboxes and microtransactions won't suddenly regulate gacha

haha, surprise intercourse

>This conversation we're having is "real" even if it's not happening physically.
Conversation is different than lootboxes

I kinda share your opinion, the only against loot boxes I still have is that I consider it an immoral practice, and I don't want to give companies incentive to bank on those practices. A company benefiting fromselling a quasi scam product should be a no.

>/pol/ is one person
>Yea Forums is one person

Didn’t they the bakers literally win that case?

You're saying that the content of a lootbox isn't real, but what you mean to say is it's not physical. Those definitions are very important to the debate. That's all I'm trying to say.

How so?

They keep suing him

do you think women gave themselves rights?

Mtx where you know what you're getting are fine by me. Mtx where you get something random are shit. This comes from someone who fucking adores tcgs and is therefore a complete moron.

Those over-privileged faggots really have nothing better to do than to repeatedly attempt to ruin some small-time confectioner?

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I'm not talking about Blizzard Hearthstone packs so I can't speak for that. The poster I replied to if it wasn't you was talking about MTG Arena and MTG in general. I stated that those packs have a general fixed payout in each booster pack with a guaranteed rare or mythic rare plus 3 uncommons.

Now the dilemma here is that WotC with MTG can't officially acknowledge the secondary market value of cards in their packs otherwise the company can't be classified as a toy company but at the same time they're totally aware of what those cards are worth when they put those cards into sets as a reprint.

yes, the local (western) equivalent "gambling mechanic" would be lootboxes/microtransaction
they are not getting the money from that

and they would inevitably work towards eastern gacha (locally) if this passed

I actually agree with OP but I'm going to play devil's advocate because strawmanning is for faggots.

>Governments should be as unintrusive to business and the economy as much as they feasibly can
>It should be the parents/individuals own responsibility to be responsible consumers.
>They theoretically function similarly to trading cards, which are legal and not considered gambling despite also similarly having people with addictive personalities attached to them

Granted, these are all points you can argue against but saying anyone who disagree's with you is a shill is a little silly. Unless they're a journalist, in which case yeah they probably are.

White knights and other cucks get the rope too

jk, they don't get anything since they greatly outnumber the sane people and will continue to do so unless something wrecks 80% of the population

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I just butted in with my experience with Hearthstone, I wasn't who you replied to before.

>fully clothed large breasted female characters in video games
>not ethical

>selling lootboxes to kids
>quite ethical

“They” is this case is an entirely different plaintiff. Not the gay couple.

Free market > non free market.

Simple as.

And they wonder why they are hated

Money talks

And luckily consumers in this free market decided to tell loot boxers to piss off and start creating actual content again.

If you give your kid a credit card then you deserve everything bad that happens

www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/law/legal-guidances-gender-identity-expression.page#3

>And luckily consumers in this free market decided to tell loot boxers to piss off and start creating actual content again.
That's not what the profit margins say.

And I'm saying the difference of those definitions is what separates lootboxes from booster packs.

>Governments should be as unintrusive to business and the economy as much as they feasibly can
Governments also need to step in when there's an actual problem facing it's nation. That's literally what governments are for

>It should be the parents/individuals own responsibility to be responsible consumers.
That's how it should be but it isn't. And even if they are, it just takes one whale to fuck it up.

>They theoretically function similarly to trading cards, which are legal and not considered gambling despite also similarly having people with addictive personalities attached to them
See >Booster packs in a TCG are actual real tangible things that can be physically traded, sold and you are guaranteed a rare or uncommon in every pack

>Goverments should be unintrusive
They are, as feasibly as they can.

>Parents responsibility
It's not about parents controlling it, but corporations offering it. EA is arguing in favour of kids being able to buy it which is the main problem.

>Lootboxes are like trading card games
A trading card game doesn't require you to buy a 60$ base game and trading card's give you a physical object which you can handle however you want, EA can turn off the server and limit the usability of your "possesion"

Have sex. With a real girl.

If they just made it that items are tradable similarly with how lootboxes work with Valve games wouldn't that automatically solve the issue?

In another thread I asked what made trading cards and lootboxes any different and the general response I got was that physical copies allowed people more freedom on what to do with their items like trading or selling them. So wouldn't just adding a trading option make this whole issue a moot point in the eyes of the law?

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Kids shouldn't have access to credit cards. No goverment can make kids not have access to cards, its the parents job. Parents also should look at what kind of game their kids are playing. It's the parents job to raise the kid.

That being said, let 18+ gamble away. Stupid people should be allowed to make stupid decisions, and be responsible for it. I don't like lootboxes, most of us here don't too, but I don't play the AAA games or the sportsballs games so It doesn't affect me or most people with a taste in video games.

Still waiting for proof of the claim that children are targeted by this. Just sounds no different than trying to shut down violent video games by religious fags saying "think of the children!!!"

If anything, microtransactions should affect the games rating. Force them to be an M rating and they'll fix shit if they want that "kid friendly" E or T. A lot of devs will change shit in effort to meet a certain rating.

>lootboxes
>problems facing its nation
You would think video games is the least thing they should be worrying about

This the view of /pol/ on resetera?

>Still waiting for proof of the claim that children are targeted by this
Yes user, because those funny meme dances in Fortnite are there to appeal to the boomers.

These people are
1) genuine paid shills
2) burgers who have been brainwashed into thinking that doing anything at all that goes against mega-corporations getting to fuck their assholes raw is communism

there were a bunch of comments from a reddit thread (/r/games) that was defending it wish i could find it again

youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

game dev teaching how to make money from mobile micro transactions using psych tricks

nobody on Yea Forums actually defends lootboxes, they're just being contrarian for yous

No, retard.

>"Le's Go Whaling!"
Jesus, it probably would've looked less bad if they just named the presentation "Let's Scam These Suckers!".

>Lobbying
>Paying off deals to cut the supply and demand of competition
>"Diversity"
>Each new president does NOTHING to contribute to society instead fucks another thing up
>Corporate cocksuckers of the world

Why the fuck do people think immigrating to America is so great? It's a fucking shithole.

It's got Niggers running around murdering white couples without consequence.

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>thing I don't like
>must be /pol/

Probably. But game companies won't do that, so here we are.

except it's anti-/pol/ who is defending these companies
>oh no think of the poor billion dollar company you fucking nazis

America is such a vast place I imagine it's more than possible to find somewhere nice where the bullshit at the top has relatively little effect on people's lives.

>this is what /pol/ pretends to believe

In this day and age I can understand why some parents do it since they don't have to worry about making sure they have enough money for general purchases and whatnot. I'm not talking like under 10 years of age but people who are *reasonably* responsible like 15-17 years, that's why the parents co-sign on it because if any cc debts incur it's going to fault on them to pay for their childs debts.

Honestly it's borderline predatory lending but it makes banks look far worse than normal if they're going around collecting debts on children that they issued credit cards especially without the presence of a parent/guardian so this way blame is not entirely with the banks legally speaking. It's another shitty loophole.

Man you're retarded, how much of a loser do you have to be to purposefully pretend to be retarded for free

/pol/tards are so easy to trigger, all you have to do is point out one of the many contradictions in your moron posts.

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Yes faggot. I have the right to choose if my kids do or do not see this degenerate trash.
>(((gay pride parades))) have full frontal nudity and kids basically dabncing like strippers for adults
>tranny story time
>bake the cake bigot

Should I go on? Fuck you, go to hell. Fags need to go back in the closet, gay rights were a mistake.

Unfortunately you're right. There are plenty of staunch ideological lolbertarians who will unironically defend anything so long as "the government" is not involved.

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hello, mutt
this is you

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gambling is pretty cool. i consider lootboxes to be a form of gambling therefore i like them.

>One game
Not proof. I think MTs are gay but you gotta support your complaining.

REMINDER LOOTBOXES ARE PREDATORY IN NATURE. THEY PURPOSELY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR PRIMITIVE MONKEY MIND TO GET YOU TO BUY BUY BUY BUY
youtu.be/xNjI03CGkb4
youtu.be/xNjI03CGkb4
youtu.be/xNjI03CGkb4

>pretend to be babbling retard
>lol people actually care about me trying to slander them

>degenerate
Fucking subhuman lingo

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She looks like a corporate whore alright.

>So wouldn't just adding a trading option make this whole issue a moot point in the eyes of the law?
Yes it would. The thing is that they're never gonna do that

Waah I need big government because I just can't stop spending money on something I don't like

>but I don't play the AAA games or the sportsballs games so It doesn't affect me or most people with a taste in video games.
It's chokeholding the entire fucking industry. I haven't played Destiny, Anthem, Fallout 76 or any of those but these kind of live service games and practices are spun straight out of the microtransaction culture and it fucks over game development to maximize profit by going after those sweet naive retards

Those kind of people contribute nothing and are way too lazy to fight for anything

No I need big government to control other people spending money on things I don't like because they're ruining my hobby

You guys know we have to thank Jim Sterling for exposing that video too. It's been around for like 3 years and nobody knew about it until that video

>For those who defend lootboxes and microtransactions in games
Yay, that's me!
>and defend the corporations against the potential regulation
You worded that incorrectly. You meant to say, "Defend anyone from the government period."
>why do you? Do you truly believe that they enhance gameplay
People believe the products behind those mechanics are worth paying money for, hence why they're paying money for them. The developers didn't have to put those things in the game for you to buy the game - obviously, because you bought the game knowing they weren't there for free - so I have no problem with them being rewarded for what you've implicitly accepted as extra work.
>or do you just not understand a gaming world before these things existed?
I remember video games when they were short and had very little content, yes.

You don't use the government to protect people from their own stupidity. That's R E T A R D E D. We don't live in fucking Africa or South America where everyone is so fucking worthless they need an authoritarian state to force everyone to act like whites and Asians. Although, the West may rapidly be approaching a complexion like those countries, it's still white people who run them and white people should be against a nanny state. If even white people want Big Mother to protect them from themselves, then the world is fucking over, because literally everyone else loves the state, and people who love the state condemn themselves to a life of servitude to it.

because if we're talking about personal freedom, literally every place in the world is worse.

how do these “people” go to sleep every night after selling out their human brothers and sisters. they are no longer people they betrayed humanity long ago and they’re more than happy to be a thoughtless fucking jellyfish stinginging anything that moves. absolutely ridiculous to fucking spin it that way but they do it because these fucking suit wearing fucking sharks want nothing more than a pile of fucking money over the rotting corpse of humanity.

I keep seeing this posted over and over and it's not that we are the ones with the problem, it's the whales outside

>I remember video games when they were short and had very little content, yes.
I'm sorry, that's really your best excuse for microtransactions and lootboxes existing? Games being too short?

>then there would start to be a demand for Adult rated games
Wait, fuck, you're right. I might get boobies and sex in my games again. Excellent.

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Valve made Team Fortress 2. Then they made cosmetics. Should we just get those cosmetics for free? They have no incentive to do that. Instead, they'd just make a new game with hats and then you'd be paying $60 for it and NOT complaining like you are now.

idk ask literally any politician the same

theyre all the same scum, wether theyre from fucking russia or the west or asia, they are ALL scum

EA proves they are one of the scummiest companies on Earth. They are called out on something everyone knows and their lawyer tries twisting the facts.

>Says /pol/ are corporate bootlickers that defend false statistics and lies
>The corporate bootlickers attack him

So you're literally taking away someone else's freedom because you're getting butt hurt about it?
Fuck off authoritarians.

The only thing being "taken away" is unregulated gambling, which is illegal.

Yep, it's time to stop paypig.

Oh look, an unregulated gambling machine, we must get the government involved!

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That's not gambling because you receive a good or service every time you pay

Same from a lootbox, you get something every time, it might just not be the thing you want.

>Those kind of people contribute nothing
Except driving vehicles, baking bread and cakes, laying bricks and mortar, educating children, sewing clothing etc.
>are way too lazy to fight for anything
Take their cuck shit away from them and check again.

Except with a gumball machine you receive the same amount every time

You always get the thing you want from a gumball machine, so it's obviously not the fucking same.

>Except driving vehicles, baking bread and cakes, laying bricks and mortar, educating children, sewing clothing etc.
None of those things are done by the uni educated liberal basedboy types.

just make them R18

Stirling can fuck off and die for all I care.

What a coincidence, a religion that revolves around proudly cheating their own god has created a culture of shameless deceivers and bold faced liars.

>he really believes that cucks are only the meme boogieman 1% of population
If you only knew how bad things really are

So is this a lootbox then?
Do we need government intervention for capsule machines?

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Gumballs are all the same. Colors do not change flavors

No one thinks this, you're projecting again.

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Any game that needs microtransactions and lootboxes to live isn't worth playing

not sure what Yea Forums has against him. Its good that he exposed the video

>So you're literally taking away someone else's freedom because you're getting butt hurt about it?
In a way yes, but also it's fucking up the industry in general. The whole targetting kids thing doesn't really matter to me much, that's just a bonus so that people pay attention to it. I just want it fucking gone

All vending machines are regulated, even toy capsule machines
candymachines.com/Vending-Regulations-by-State.aspx

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i hope you get surprised mechaniced in real life you covetous jew.

>Same from a lootbox, you get something every time
You get access to digital code that gives you something that is owned by someone else, not something tangible

>lootboxes have varying intensities of lights and sounds for different prizes
>slotmachines have varying intensities of lights and sounds for different prizes
>its not gambling guise

So yes, you're taking away something other people might enjoy because you hate it. You're an actual literal nazi then.

Those are regulated though

Accelerationism.

gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-07-02-ea-i-struggle-with-the-perception-that-were-just-a-bunch-of-bad-guys

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>other people might enjoy
They dont' actually "enjoy" it. How can you enjoy lootboxes? They're being psychologically manipulated to pay hand over fist for it and don't know of a time before they existed.

its been an open secret since world of war craft that big publishers were openly hiring psychologists to make their games more addictive, its been a slippery slope for over a decade until we hit full on gambling. Shit is absolutely retarded and it blows my mind it took normies so long to realize it.

Vending machines are already regulated, faggot

Because I don't give a fuck about you being cucks falling for it or your children.

booohoooo muh can't control myself, shut the fuck up retard, lemme buy what I want

But they're not illegal bunch of retards.

> Buuut I need my regulation because I can't stop sucking cock like a retard

Shut the fuck up retard

Every board has falseflaggers, do you think sjws go to/pol/ just to trigger them? Of course some people are ok (not pro though) with loot boxes but not as many as these idiots make it sound like.

The feeble minded payers subsidize content for the rest of us who can control ourselves.

Why would they be? I paid for a gumball, I GOT A GUMBALL

r u that retarded?

So you know what's best for everyone? Because you can't see how something might be true it cannot be true? Please step out of your self centered state of mind.

>at as is
what did she mean by this?

I'm only hesitant about legistlation on it because there are some games that do microtransactions right, or do legitmently rely on them to exist.

For example, f2p mobage, there's no adds, you don't buy them, the only revenue they make is off their gachas. And they're not even necessary to roll, its 100% voluntary.
I can't really justify telling im@s to fuck off with the gachas when the gachas are entirely irrelevant to the game, and they work hard to put out new content weekly.
Or a game like league, where it gives you plenty of progression opportunity and the majority of the microtransactions are skins.

I can't defend shit like EA selling you a $120 game, then putting lootboxes in on top of that. That shit needs to stop. And if loot boxes are done, even in gacha form, it needs to be suitably priced and give you the opportunity to get it for free too.

So parades and other events you and your children can 100% avoid are the problem? Good to know your a whiny little bitch

Look again retardo, it is full of capsules that have different prizes in them.

People don't deserve to be free to make their own mistakes. Not until we can slaughter each other openly out on the streets.

If you unironically defend lootboxes you deserve a slow and extremely painful death followed by an eternity in hell.

I never defended EA or lootboxes and I think it's shit, BUT the fact that governments go deeper and deeper into gaming and start regulating things is a bit scary desu. It's a slippery slope, and yes I'm aware sslope is not a valid argument in a debate but we all know how these things go, tomorrow some research will show connection between gore and real life violence and if they already regulate lootbox why not remove that at well?

Personally I was hoping the market itself could fight lootboxes but there are too many retarded whales so we can wither get fucked with lootbox bullshit or get fucked with regulations ("oy gamedev! Have you paid your 10000$ license to show blood yet? Oh no you can't have ar in your game that's illegal, turn it into a unicorn shooting icecream instead")

>Implying these things weren't always around

companies were testing to see how far they could get away with it

>This are the kind of people that want the government involved in YOUR life
Fuck off authoritarians.

Gumbal and gachapon machines dont require you to first buy the machine before you can buy the loot.

>But there's free games with lootboxes.

The important difference between your picture and lootboxes is how they are marketted and how they are available. Kids and gambling addicts are actively being targetted by predatory sales tactics.
Of course it depends on the game how ethical they work. When there is important progression gated behind lootboxes you can wonder if that's a good thing.

>regulated vending machines aren't illegal

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Because I genuinely don't think it affects my experience. I've never spent money on free shit and I never will. I get free things I wouldn't otherwise because they fleece gambling addicts. I don't respect gamblers so I don't care if they suffer.

Does all this make sense?

Who gives a fuck? Gumball machines aren't designed to psychologically abuse people.

>government already controls your gas and groceries
>b-but games are over the line!

tick tock loberg!

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>think of the children
Yeah sure, after fighting for YEARS to get rid of the "violence in games cause violence in real life" meme now retards like you are actually using the same fucking argument.

>if you don't want jews to use every way they can to fuck you over you're authoritarian
Get fucked kike

Friendly reminder that gay marriage wasn't legalized through votes but through Obama's Supreme Court

I oppose all government regulations and interventions. Period. The free market can decide.

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Slippery slope is the one opposing argument I can agree with. The government bans lootboxes and then what? They might be emboldened to start banning other things too.

The idea is for lootboxes to be regulated, not banned (though banned would be nice) to be for adults only, making any game that have them with an AO rating which there is no way the corporations would do

The free market can't decide because it is designed to psychologically take advantage of people.

People like you is why governments turn oppressive.

>So you know what's best for everyone?
I know what's shit for everyone

>For example, f2p mobage
That's cancer too but Japan has their own thing going on

Apples and oranges.
Violent games arent being targetted at kids, they get a label that tells parents what age category they are for.
Lootboxes dont get any regulation.

>BUT the fact that governments go deeper and deeper into gaming and start regulating things is a bit scary desu.
They're not going deeper and deeper into gaming. Hell, they probably likely wouldn't have given a shit about this if it wasn't for the very obvious targeting of kids thing.

>Government actually tries to do something good for a change
>G-government B-bootlicker! Oppressor!

Brainlets like you are why no one takes libertarians seriously.

f2p mobage is cancer, but on the other hand people aren't willing to buy a full priced game on mobile. And even if they did, mobage are expected to have constantly and regular updates, without a subscription fee you aren't going to get that. so the shitty mobage economy is kind of necessary if they want to exist, and they're going to continue to exist.

Violence in video games doesn't lead to violence in real life but gambling in video games does lead to people getting fucked over in real life

No user, it's ruuuuu /paul/

>b-but my games!
cringe desu senpai.

Good, retards like you should be oppressed out of existence

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ehhhhhhhh would we call gambling addicts people?

People who are weak minded enough to be taken advantage of deserve it. They're the human equivalent of cattle. The world belongs to the strong.

Its a mental disease, so make of that what you will.

If that's the case, then what it is you're complaining about? Those games aren't worth playing. It seems like self-correcting issue. Don't play a game that isn't worth playing, and you won't end up playing a game with microtransactions. Ta-da!

Seriously, you're doing my job for me.

Children, well people in general, but mainyl children, shouldn't have to become gambling addicts just to suit EA's bottom dollar

>People who are weak minded enough to be taken advantage of deserve it
Guess what, (you) are weak minded enough to be taken advantage of. Your monkey brain is susceptible to this shit.
>B-but I'm better! I cannot be taken advantage of like them!
This shit literally adheres to the primitive areas of your brain that you can do nothing but follow.

And that would be fine. I'd be all over retards who spend money on this getting themselves fucked over if it wasn't also pouring into the regular games and game industry as well.

Fallout 76 happened because they wanted that sweet live service microtransaction addiction moolah

Tera's lootboxes were the first time I really got extremely mad at microtransactions
>won't just sell your the maid outfit
>haha just buy these boxes with 5% chance of getting it!
fuck you. I just want my elin to be able to do the maid dance.

Sounds like some parents might have to do parenting. Oh no! They hate it when that happens :(.

They are parenting. They're literally sending their kids to therapists to get them off gambling for lootboxes.
>If they were good parents in the first place they wouldn't have let this happen!
That's not an argument.

Nah, some are vulnerable some aren't. I haven't gambled once and I'm 30. I just have no desire. I've never spent money on a free game either.

Was Fallout 76 a success for bethesda?
Im sincerely asking. Things that get shit on can sometimes make money anyway.

Most parents don't actually know how this microtransaction stuff works, and I mean why would you expect them too. And even if they did, if kids want to get money for this stuff, they'll figure out a way.

It's not like those "18+ only" warnings stopped anyone from getting into porn sites

If they were good parents in the first place they wouldn't have let this happen.

At least they're doing something about it now.

You can literally turn off the console and walk away. Your weak willed faggotry is apparent. You're the same type who makes excuses for drug addicts and other scum.

Nice projection, I don't gamble. But I want you fuckers that want gambling in my games to die, and I want your gambling to follow you.

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Even in single player shit, it fucks things over. If one starts failing in a game that sells level ups, people are going to take it as the game saying its time to pay up and dropping the game instead of gitting gud. Monolith said as much when they patched the micro transactions out of Shadow of War.

I need big daddy government to save me from the scary 1s and 0s on the screen :( :( :( pls save me daddy government my boi pussy is yours

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Dindu nuffin yur honor it wuz dem primitive brains dat mademe

Yea Forums hates his political opinions/general taste in games. I do as well but I enjoy his content on industry horse shit.

Samefag.

je/v/v

It's not us that have the problem idiot

Whats funny is lefties cant take a step back and realize that if righties love asians then how can they be racist? Just a little food for thought

He has no argument so all he can do is deflect.

Yes, it's stupid people. Stupid people you want to protect because..?

>can only buy this stuff with credit card
ahem

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If I wanna gamble in a mobile gacha or card game that's my fucking business, i could give a fuck about fifa or whatever the fuck people are crying about, let me play my neet games alone fucker

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My parents didn't know shit about the internet and managed to keep an eye on me. Crazy how a tiny bit of research can make all the difference.

Much easier to blame government or teachers or god knows who.

Either
>Dont want lootboxes to put a roadblock in front of Goldstein trying to nickel and dime people at every fucking turn
Or
>Want lootboxes to let survival of the fittest take place
Ultimately the former is better for an industry that was supposed to churn out quality entertainment, and not try to wrench the wallet from your hands. You know this is true.

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I don't want to protect them, I don't care about them. The problem is their retardation is affecting the game industries perception of what people want since they don't know any better, which in turn affects me and everyone else

>atleastitsnotthegubmerment.jpg

"BUT MUH FREE MARKET" will be the answer. They don't care about quality entertainment

Then stop your hen packing like a 60 year old woman.

Don't like lootboxs dont fucking play games that have them. Holy fuck how easy is that?

>put 25 cents in get a gumball
>put 25 cents in randomly receive either a gumball, a shoelace, toe nail clippings, lint, a piece of paper, literally dogshit, literally chickenshit, whale cum, used napikin, and bees knees

Retards like you think these two interactions are the same, retards like you are why i cant buy a full game for 60 burgerbux anymore and am forced to buy 2/3 of a game and get jewish tricked out of 15 dollars.

yes, they do, I used to use birthday money to buy paysafecards for an mmorpg, probably went over 400€ in a couple years, that's whale territory as a 12 year old, which is fucked up but blame my parents for not educating me on finances back then, not the game itself

I oppose it because the government is an unnecessary third party attempting to regulate a decision made between two willing parties.

I think loot boxes are garbage value and almost no one should buy them. But the only regulation I would support would be requiring the exact percentage value of each drop to be known beforehand.

It's like sugar. For how much people consume, its almost purely bad and in a ton of products. But I don't want it regulated. I want people to make smart decisions.

No nanny state bullshit. Thats it.

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>no argument
Nice concession

>Don't like lootboxs dont fucking play games that have them
I DON'T, I honestly never have but that doesn't stop the companies from trying to nickle and dime people in games that don't relate to it or fucking up franchises that never had it. Do I have to remind you about Dead Space 3?

>two willing parties.
Retarded people being psychologically manipulated are not willing

Its because there are too many greedy people

Market is always right faggot. The history just confirms it. Stupid fuck.

The market can produce both shitty garbage and great games. You fags are just being children crying because some game isn't how you want it. Go play something else then!

Eventually you wont be able to, unless you have the skills to make it yourslef, which are also often times locked behind a paywall.

I get shit for free out of OW lootboxes and you want me to pay 5 to 10 bucks for a skin instead? To protect whales? Go fuck yourself.

Any game that requires lootboxes and microtransactions to live isn't worth playing

Thats a bullshit argument. They willingly shell over cash. They want something there.

You can call any form of advertising or marketing to be 'psychological manipulation'.

For as much as some of you hate corporations, you seem to love giving the government more power to tell you what you can't do.

why would i argue with some stupid nigger whose taken a contrarian position he would never ever take in real life?

you only post on Yea Forums

>he would never ever take in real life?
Leave you california suburb and you'll find out

Sorry sweetie but we live in a capitalist society. The money must flow. If microtransactions make more money then it's only logical to include them.

>They're not going deeper and deeper into gaming
They are though, it's another case of precedent that will allow them to dig deeper in the future. Every time regulations win against freedom, it strengthens any future requests for regulation.
>they probably likely wouldn't have given a shit about this if it wasn't for the very obvious targeting of kids thing.
"They" are just bunch of people playing politics each with his own motives. Do you think it's really far fetched that eventually some random congressman consultant come to the conclusion it will help his popularity to fight violence in vidya, for example? So he'll go about and make random new regulations just to get his name on something and show that he's doing something to get more votes. And then when asked "can we really make that rule?" He or she will use this as ammunition.

Again, I do agree that lootboxes is cancer aimed to get children hooked on gambling. I'm just worried that we're fighting cancer with aids.

you're just a peak contrarian because Yea Forums is your only source of attention

no one would know or care if you killed yourself right now

>They willingly shell over cash. They want something there.
They want it because they believe that's what these things do. Are you just ignoring this video that lays out in detail how they sucker people in with this stuff?

Spoken like a true EA representive

I don't pirate games, I buy them from a surprise publisher

Does it? The game industry started catering to 89 IQ people in the mid 2000s and as a result started making tons and tons of shitty games. Should we regulate that, too? Why not? It affects me!

Or it doesn't, because you're not entitled to the kinds of video games you want. If you don't like the games they make, don't buy them. Spend your money on something you do want.

When the WWE entered the PG era, fans didn't go to the government and say, "Hey, uh, the Attitude era ended and that sucks. Wrestling sucks now. We want you to force them to go back to the Attitude era." That would've been seen as a fucking joke. Yet, here you are doing the same thing.

Do you have an argument or are you just going to have a little hissy fit?

>government looking into shady predatory practices to determine if they need to take out the long dick of the law against billion dollar multinational companies
>ancaps are suddenly everywhere
I know most of the defenders of it here are misanthropic contrarians shitposting, but seeing it elsewhere is infuriating

>I'm just worried that we're fighting cancer with aids.
And this is the crux of it. I think there are people like you who truly believed either people would boycott this stuff and it would stop being profitable or that the companies would magically decide to stop microtransactioning and lootboxes out of the blue for something else when it was obvious neither was going to happen. What other options are there exactly? And don't say parenting, the stupid kids are only part of the issue when the real problem is whales

Psychology is the worst thing to happen to science and society. Fucking psuedo science made to excuse people's poor judgement and lack of willpower. Used exclusively by governments and authoritarians to gain more control.

>hive mind doesn't exist

>Does it? The game industry started catering to 89 IQ people in the mid 2000s and as a result started making tons and tons of shitty games. Should we regulate that, too?
Does it involve gambling?

>When the WWE entered the PG era, fans didn't go to the government
Probably because it didn't involve gambling

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THIS

Over 100 in a day...some people really have more money than cents...

Yep. Faggots in this thread now genuinely believe that everything needs regulated because 'psychological manipulation'. We will all end up in padded rooms making no decisions because decisions are scary without the big helpful government making sure its the right one for us.

All loot boxes need is an exact percentage of drop for each item. Thats it. More informed decision making.

So no? Alright, you can continue to have your little mental breakdown.

To be perfectly honest, I personally don't care much about this lootbox thing. I just like seeing EA get fucked over

What exactly is wrong with gambling? Are they not being upfront about the odds or prizes?

Don't give me some mumbo jumbo psychology bullshit either. Addiction isn't a fucking disease it's a personality deficiency.

>subsidize content for us

except they dont. you are just like the dumb niggers in the early 2000s who pretended "subscription fees pay for content development!11". games have gone from the monthly patch cycle of the 1990s to the 2-3-4-6-year+ 'content' patch cycles of now. You think a billion dollars is being reinvested into fate grand order? Do you see 500 million dollars worth of content in any of the big gamble-games? No. They pocket that fucking money, or use it to fund the development of other titles. its completely indefensible from a consumer standpoint.

>but i wana buy what i want

you still can. you'd just do what we did in the old days... you buy it from another player. wow imagine that, giving real life money to another person to get waht you want, absolutely nothing changes for you. But rng boxes exist for a reaosn, because before lock boxes the 'secondary market' ie, players selling vidya stuff to other players, was in the billions of dollars. Now only chink/russian gold sellers make a few mills while all those billions go right to the developer and all the players get fucked. we get no content, we get no money.

If you're aware of the systems in place to fuck you over, you can resist them.

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Doomposting much?

It's much more simple, people just don't like lootboxes and want them gone cause it's funny to watch the game companies sweat

everything you just said is wrong, to the point where i question if you even play videogames.

Anyone defending Western vidya companies are a bunch of contrarians at this point. Maybe then they wouldn't incorporate them in every fucking game they have.
>Any new big IP will have this shitty feature where you need to grind for 1000s of hours if you don't want to pay and get everything you think it's cool
It already happened in MK11, fuck every jew who did this shit and the bootlickers defending it.

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>What exactly is wrong with gambling?
Nothing, but gambling is regulated. Video game gambling isn't
>Are they not being upfront about the odds or prizes?
They are not. In fact, that was a big thing with gacha a few years ago

Were the people defending lootboxes right now okay with Battlefront II or what?

It's ok to scream at EA but it's not ok to have officials in power to step in and fuck EA up, that's bad, mmmkay?

There are no other options on the table at the moment, we're getting fucked anyway. In case it wasn't clear I'm not exactly taking side, I'm just worried that we got fucked even harder now, but time will tell. I did have a little bit of hope that whales will grow out of this bs after enough people talked about it (whales are stupid, and stupid people are easy to influence), but it didnt work unfortunately.

I'm thoroughly convinced everyone "defending" these, on Yea Forums at least, is just shitposting.
Nobody's actually that retarded.
Hopefully.

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Gigantic corporate firms deserve every regulation on them. They cannot be trusted to not do evil shit for the sake of the bottom line.

>surprise mechanics

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My basic stance is they don't hurt my experience and they only affect gamblers aka morons. FE4 is fantastic.

They're just in the business of making money at the expense of the mentally challenged, of course they would defend their livelihood.

>pronounce
Yikes

Imagine if you have a company that is actually successful and then the government steps in mess with your profits for whatever reason. Do you really want this to happen?

I don't have to buy the games if they bother me.

Not all lootbox systems are the same

Same smell, different shape. They're all shit anyway

Lolbertarians are

>you lived long enough to see EA become the good guys in a dispute about corporate practices
what a fucking time to be alive

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All lootboxes are lootboxes. Even Overwatch's cosmetic only lootboxes are still following the same manipulation as regular lootbox systems

Micros are gay. I never rent them. EA is even gayer ruining Battlefront. Now I know how the Dungeon Keeper fags feel.
But if you feel compelled to blow 100s of burgerbucks on bootyshorts for tracer (when you can get it FOR FREE), that's when it becomes a (You) problem, chief.

Lolbertarians consider any government intervention bad.

>EA become the good guys
This is like the opposite of EA being the good guys. It's more like EA directly fucking themselves

They were around bout in secret as it should be.

now you have trannies promoting their shit as normal.

The market IS always right, though. The problem is that we don't have a free market because the publishers are considered to have de-facto control of their service.

It's literally against the principles of a free market to be unable to sell anything you've purchased, whether material or immaterial, to another owner without the permission of the publisher. The agreements and laws specifically weighted in favor of the publishers is literally what caused the lootbox problem.

If I were able to sell my account and all items purchased on it to another person at any time I pleased; this would not be a problem. It's only a problem now because the only way to obtain these items is through the boxes. And the boxes don't have any concrete way of knowing what I am going to get, because there are no odds associated with them.

I don't give a shit about alternative gun or character skins which is all that's left in them because anything p2w was dropped years ago, Im not some autistic retard who thinks it's my given right to have everything in the game just because I want it, and the market has proven there's an audience for them, and its not my concern how other people spend their money.
I don't think anyone who gives a shit about lootboxes is mentally past the age of 15.

>and the market has proven there's an audience for them
And that audience is fucking stupid and largely underage

kys dipshit

Capsule machines have a specific rate of which you receive items.
When you open a lootbox, you have no fucking clue what you're getting or even if you're getting the thing the company is telling you that you have a chance to get. It's entirely reliant on the company telling the truth.

At least the capsule machine shows you what you might have a chance of getting.

Yeah, it's the videogame audience. Did you have a point?

>>When the WWE entered the PG era, fans didn't go to the government and say, "Hey, uh, the Attitude era ended and that sucks. Wrestling sucks now. We want you to force them to go back to the Attitude era." That would've been seen as a fucking joke. Yet, here you are doing the same thing.
Maybe they should have

Stop being shit or get a boot in the face, sounds good to me!

I wonder if people like phone games that much

youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14
>Yea Forums will defend this

And you can trade them or sell them if you wanted

Every inch you give the government is a mile theyll take eventually. It's like some of you haven't read a history book.

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>This is like the opposite of EA being the good guys
Wait you mean EA aren't the ones who want to keep dystopian "government approved" content and practices out of games? Explain.

That applies to corporations too though

plain and simple i just don't give a fuck
don't like loot boxes don't buy em
don't want kids buying them? blame parents

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mind if I save this picture?

I don't defend lootboxes, but there's nothing wrong with cosmetic microtransactions. That said, I'd rather not have the fucking government fuck around trying to regulate video games, they're inept as fuck and will make things worse.

A corporation produces something you can opt not to buy.

A government can come into your home right now and shoot your dog and take your kids away.

Not even a close comparison.

I saved it without asking permission

You'll be hearing from my state senator.

Every morality argument that can be made towards banning loot boxes can also be made towards banning porn.
Quit pearl clutching and just admit you're a mad neet who's pissed he can't get his waifu skin.

I'd never do such a thing

And I'll keep doing it too, go ahead try me. If you post a picture, I'll fucking save the shit out of that nigger.

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I love my surprise discounts on torrents

>Stupid people piss away their money
>This is literally a low IQ tax
>Less $ for low IQ tards = less likely to have children
>Less tards in the future

Based lootboxes.

You thought I was joking faggot?

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You are not seriously pretending that what EA does is perfectly ethical are you?

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Lootboxes are a cancer because instead of quality gameplay, companies make cash cows for retards with the lootbox system. I dont give a fuck if it's gambling or whatever moralfag argument people are hiding behind. The issue is, even if lootboxes are banned, there will always be a way for companies to find the new cash cow for retards and not focus on quality gameplay.

The only reason you're not a slave with no rights is because corporations had to be regulated out of doing that behavior.

CSGO skins will be irrelevant in a decade or whatever. I can STILL whip out my pokemon and yugioh cards i got as a kid almost two decades ago. Overwatch lootbox skins and shit wont even be relevant in the next year since they are working on a sequel.

Absolute hogwash. Corporations have no power but that which we give them. Governments have power which they take.

A capitalist market is generally exploitative and unethical. You are not seriously pretending otherwise, are you?

>>Less $ for low IQ tards = less likely to have children
it has never worked like that you fucking retard
poor people have the most kids

Daddy Trump, help! I can’t help myself from playing games I disagree with! I can’t parent properly! Please Trump, we need you!

And government is exponentially more exploitative and unethical.

Then EA are even more based for telling them to fuck off.

Industrial Revolution, what was going on then nigger?

>we have to thank some journalist for stating the obvious
>over a decade after the practice started
Fuck off, Jim. Yea Forums has been bitching about this shit for longer than you've had a career.

>100% avoid
Yea, except for the month long celebration of PRIDE that is unavoidable.

ITS NOT FOR ME YOU FUCKING TRIPLE NIGGER ITS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY STUPID PEOPLE BUYING INTO THIS SHIT, THUS FURTHER INCENTIVIZING COMPANIES TO MAKE SHIT LIKE THIS. THESE COMPANIES ALSO HAVE A FUCKING CHOKE HOLD ON THE IPS THAT WE GREW TO ENJOY, THEREFORE RUINING THE QUALITY OF THE GAMES THAT WE ACTUALLY CARE TO FUCKING PLAY.

>waaaaaahhh muh shitty game has lootboxes
Cry me a river, boomer

I love how the government considering banning lootbox sales to children was seen as a victory to the man-children of \v\ instead of an embarrassment.

Do you get mad when stores put up Christmas or Halloween decorations?

>PRIDE is now a national holiday
At least people understand Halloween costumes and the mall's Santa claus are fake and gay.

>waaaaah I was going to make a glorified slot machine to make oodles of cash, now I will never be rich in 6 months with one crazy trick

But everyone knows Priders are fake and gay

>microtransactions allow for a game to host FTP players while receiving revenue from the fat wallet players
>get the best of both worlds: large playerbase and good funding for development
>present a way for FTP players to get paid for crap via lootboxes
>gaymers lose their mind

guess we are going to return to the age of everything nice being locked behind a store.

Which makes the 30 days of celebrating their mental illness a great exercise in social gymnastics.

As long as they aren't lying about the odds, there's nothing wrong with gambling. Gambling is something low IQ people do. Why the fuck are we talking about it? Low IQ people do stupid shit. Okay... Okay. That's my response.

go mow a lawn if mom won’t give you an allowance

First we ban loot boxes. Then violence. Then anything straight and white.

Eventually all you're going to get is Government Approved Tranny Simulator 2021

People celebrate christmas for like 2 months these days and that shit is mad gay.

Name even one game that got better because it had microtransactions.

Stores trying to increase their seasonal profits by shelving Christmas shit early isn't necessarily people celebrating Christmas early.

Granted, it still is obnoxious.

Halloween isn't a holliday and fags are real.

Eat shit Scrooge

Name me a FTP game that didn't start with microtransactions. Otherwise your loaded question doesn't deserve an answer.

Hopefully the most recent earthquake detached California from the US

Dude people put up trees the day after halloween. People go mad for christmas. So gay.
Christmas is good when you are under 8 or when you have a kid under 8 and sucks dick the rest of the time. I have to hear shitty carols everywhere I go for months.

>Halloween isn't a holiday
Oh so holidays are only real if you get time off? Are you still in grade school?
>fags are real
Oh I see you are.

What kind of parent would let their kid waste their allowance on digital crap?

We can only pray for such a sundering.

Does your mom give you an allowance? Sure sounds like it. Wait, was this bait?

Halloween is like the only good holiday. That an saint paddy's

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Same parents who let their kids buy lootboxes, and then turn around and complain about gambling.

>lolbertarian logic

cringe'd

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If you get this to happen to you because you use shitty practices to take advantage of people who don't know any better and leave your games unfinished then you deserve it.

You can't make fun of anybody when you're a helpless libtard.

There's a reason your political idealogy is only known for meme material.

Parents need to actually parent, do a bit of research and stop handing them their credit card to keep them quiet.

No, lack of knowledge isnt an excuse.
No, you don't need the government to handle this for you.

Yes, lootboxes are shit, but not because they are gambling. They are shit because they are the focus instead of making a good game.