There is nothing fundamentally wrong with loot boxes

Can in theory, but doesn't in practice. Why would you pump lootbox income into other development areas that don't bring money when you can direct that income at creating more lootboxes for even bigger return?

Gambling should be legal for all ages. If parents value their money they should be more responsible around their children. Otherwise it's a tax on the idiots, arificial natural selection.

on one hand, they're completely consensual for adults to purchase and if parents give their kids their credit card and develop a gambling addiction, that's 100% parents fault
on the other, loot boxes are completely ruining video games, yet there has been no sign of a very much needed 80s style game crash.

Nope

>Loot boxes allow for a highly efficient income source that can be used to line greedy executives' pockets

Fixed.

They're used to fund free updates.

why do you care so much about loot boxes?

the free updates being other lootboxes

And gameplay updates.

That exist mostly to mask more lootboxes. If not completely so, look at GTA V.

He's a baiter. Look at his response here . The usual chan cancer.

Just fuck him and let it sink.

False. See: Dota 2, CS:GO. Also TF2 used to be like this.
Besides even if loot boxes didn't exist they'd still waste development time to do a cosmetic store. See: Fortnite, Path of Exile, Warframe

Counterpoint: gambling is a net negative for the society, in particular when it is done online and hence does not generate casino-like jobs, and hence should be curtailed whenever possible.

I agree. They let the devs fleece retards so I can have free content. Seems like a win win to anyone who isn't a gambling addict aka subhuman.

>Zoomers have already forgotten that the antilootbox campaign was a troll started here
Noone truely thinks the morally wrong. They're just fucking shit and telling the government to "think of the children" is the best way to get them taken away

I'll allow strict rules like that for society if I'm the one making them. No one else can be trusted. And if I'm not at the top I'd rather less rules.

>469205526
dumb clownposter

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At least with cosmetic store, you pay for what you get. Albeit it is always overpriced stuff. Cosmetics should cost $5 MAX

Are robots a net negative for the society? They generate less jobs than they take.

there isn't as long as devs state on the store-page/physical box how much money you'd have to spend on average to unlock all the content of the game you already paid for

Again, some publishers are more fair than others, the spectrum goes from EA that has p2w lootboxes to Nintendo that will gladly maintain and update shit for free.

Why doesn't everything cost $5 max? We would all be rich, right?

things that i dislike should be banned from existing

unironically btw

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Overwatch, for all the shit that it gets, did this right. Loot Crates are entirely esthetics, and can be gotten pretty easily. But every new map, game mode, and most importantly, every new Hero has been entirely free.

Supply and demand. Loot boxes reach a point where having more of them doesn't mean more sales.

In our current society yes
Everything is based around having a job with income
When to many people become unemployed the system stops working
Cant sell cheap goods made by robots if not enough people have an income to buy it

lootboxes are only fine when they're not the only way to get an item and when they cannot be purchased with real money
other than that it is a garbage system

I disagree. Now things I dislike on the other hand. That's a different matter.

>the absolute state of Yea Forums's knowledge of economics
Please stop voting.

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>Implying Overwatch and Blizzard as a whole isn't in the worst state its ever been because of lootbox mechanics
There's a reason D.Va gets a new epic or legendary skin every other event and when HOTS and Hearthstone stopped getting new players they resorted to whaling. Why bother improving their games when they can just double up on lootboxes and make more money off of that?

>Every factory gets automated
>only need 5 workers where you needed 30 before
>produce bikes
>nobody buys new bikes because they get used ones since they have no income
>mass producing bikes becomes unsubstainable since not enough people buy new bikes

Which is when they stop pumping money into lootboxes and just line their pockets with quick dirty cash.

Nope, try again.

Nice overly generalized statement that's literally pointless to argue about.

Lootboxes are fundamentally different from gambling because you're guaranteed a prize for your investment.

Just like with niggers, but /pol/ and corporate cocksuckers will flip the fuck out if you mention it.

>its not gambeling you get 1 dollar back everytime you use 5 dollars on the slot machine

This retarded argument is brought up every time in these threads, why do you idiots keep using it? Attaching an arbitrary worthless prize to gambling doesn't make it not gambling.

No but there is something wrong with how they're replacing content because their profit margins are fucking insane.

>arbitrary worthless
That's the thing. The value is arbitrary to the buyer. Unlike real gambling, you're not betting for money, you're just buying a random toy. No different from trading cards, gachapon or kinder surprise.

Yeah and I'm sure all those Pachinko machines in Japan aren't gambling either because you can't refund the balls for money, right? All you can buy with them are 'toys' which are worth an arbitrary value, which is coincidentally what the store next door will give you money form in exchange for the toy.
People like you are the reason CSGO turned into the shitpile it is right now and I hate you for it.

Loot boxes aren’t completely bad but if you lock away all the cool shit and make it near impossible to get unless you pay that’s bullshit

For example black ops 4

Who said I buy lootboxes? I just know they aren't wrong. It's only real gambling if there's a financial reward incentive.

I honestly agree. I don't really understand why Yea Forums got so upset about them. I think they equated bad video game content to greedy jew loot boxes, but in reality games were shit before loot boxes and it's really more cheap executives looking for quick money like they always have been.

>pro-gambler

Why are you anti-gambling? Why do you give a shit what other people do with their money? Should we ban Casinos and the stock market you fucking communist?

>It's only real gambling if there's a financial reward incentive.
OH LIKE FUCKING CSGO CRATES? Are you so quick to forget that there was an entire fucking chain of websites around people gambling away their skins for a chance at getting expensive weapons? Are you also quick to forget that CSGO weapons can be sold on third party markets for real cash? There's your fucking financial reward incentive.
Oh my god my hatred for your stupid ignorant brainlet zoomer mind makes me wanna drink a gallon of rumevery day so I can destroy my mind and figure out what it's like to be as stupid as you.

That's not fundamental to lootboxes, that's games with a trade economy. So OP is still right.

Why would anyone care so much about lootboxes not existing anymore

>that can be
But they don't, It degrades the game. Fuck them and fuck you.

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>lootboxes shouldn't exist because devs/publishers are massive kikes and don't use the money to improve the game
valid opinion
>lootboxes shouldn't exist because parents can't look after their kids
kill yourself

You're either a really dedicated troll or there's a vacancy sign inside your head, for your sake I hope it's the first one.

>Implying you don't have complete control over demand when you are the sole provider and have effectively infinite supply.

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Not an argument.

>I posted a clown with my baseless assertion, so that means I'm right

Wasn't meant to be one, but thanks for outing yourself. 9/10 work, I legitimately got mad.

Doesn't fly. A business in my town got busted for putting clear balls with five dollar bills on them in their gumball machine alongside all the gumballs.

I'm sorry you got mad that you don't have an argument. I repeat, trading is not (OP's keyword) fundamental to lootboxes.

>Are you also quick to forget that CSGO weapons can be sold on third party markets for real cash?
there is nothing wrong with this. in fact is solves the "whale" problem.
when people are allowed to arbitrage the trade with others (buy low, sell high), any addition consumer surplus profit the original seller got evaporates away - they cannot price discriminate under such conditions.

You can stop now, there's nothing left for you to gain here other than one or two more (You)s before the thread gets archived.

I accept your concession.

>get Vermintide 2
>game is fun as fuck
>end of round

>unskippable 30 second animation of my loot box upgrading
>back to lobby
>need to open my loot boxes to get new equipment, basically the ONLY way to progress
>unskippable 10 second animation of loot box opening
>need to click on 3 loot things that come out, like fucking lootboxes in lootboxes, which adds an additional unskippable animation
>I need to do this for like 5 lootboxes I got from the mission + level up + challenge completion

FUCK

LOOTBOXES

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Why can't you fags make any OC that doesn't involve pepe or wojack? Pepe being the clown doesn't add anything to it.

I think we should ban the predatory marketing that puts regular reminders that you can get imaginary bonuses when you go put money into their pockets when you are trying to not do that.
Casinos and games with lootboxes both do this.

nobody will reply to your thread if you start it with an OC that isn't wojak or pepe. Conversely, you're guaranteed bumps from people complaining about wojak and pepe if you put them in the OP. Sad but true.

it's unironically a neo-nazi dogwhistle thing

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All you have to do if you don't like them is to literally not buy them. Problem solved, retards.

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yeah retards have access to money and use money so they're a viable thing.
take money away from retards.

Loot boxes are fine if they are only cosmetics, if they are anything else it’s shitty. I hate when weapons and characters are placed into them because it’s cutting of a portion of the game and makes you have to buy them.

there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the insurance industry.

the problem with that is development gets targeted towards retards (the people that are willing to give them money for cosmetics) so the game turns into a retard game for retards.

advertising has a similar problem where advertising is most effective on retards so they're the most targeted demographic.

Why should we ban them? You're saying you're anti-gambling, but why? Because you might lose? No one is being deceitful, any sort of gambling thing tells you the odds of winning, they're required by law. How is it predatory? How is it any worse than Magic cards, or gumball machines, or anything else that's a game of chance?

The sad part is even Reddit figured that out and started banning clown pepe. Fucking Reddit does a better job than our mods.

Dilate

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what if I want to talk to neo-nazis asshole??? Maybe they have some retarded ideas I can have some fun with or maybe a good one or two! Who says a Neo-Nazi is always wrong about things that don't have to do with neo-Nazi Stuff?????? why do you want to isolate them and let them fester like some kind of bacteria??? what the hell man?? screw you!

Wrong, and also cringe.

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It's ought to be banned because it's preying off people who have no business spending money indefinitely on things that have no meaningful value to the average onlooker.
Contrary to popular belief, not every whale is a rich person with more Hundreds than IQ points.
Many of them are trying to use gaming to try and have a handle on actual gambling, and are now unable to enjoy modern games because lootboxes are advertised to them in their face whenever they try to play now.
>"Any sort of gambling tells you the odds of winning"
I don't remember any slot machine or table game showing you the Expected Return in plain view before you play, which ought to be standard.

this but unironically.

Loot boxes themselves are not a problem

Devs charging real money for them and making it slow and grindy to obtain those items without paying, is the problem

What a bunch of retarded imaginary anecdotes. Go fuck yourself nanny state nigger.

yeah gambling by its very nature is predatory.
actually how you win at lots of the bigger slot machines is to take advantage of the Win/Lose cycles that they program in. you're like being a crow picking at the scraps that the wolf left beyond.

it's insane that gambling is a popular thing to me and I don't understand it at all because it's not a "risk". I'd way rather take actual interesting risks that involve me doing stuff instead of nothing.

Seriously.

It's like...we had ragefaces back in the day and there were a TON of different ones that all portrayed different emotions, situations, reactions, etc.

Now we just have pepe, wojak, and 1,000,000 slightly different edits of them. Even worse with Wojak because these days, literally every new wojak edit is just a "your opinion is wrong" reaction image.

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>it's preying off people who have no business spending money indefinitely on things that have no meaningful value to the average onlooker.
>The average person thinks X is bad to spend money on
>Therefore no one can spend money on X

Real great system you're proposing there comrade.

Lootboxes and other pseudo-gambling mechanics should be an automatic mature rating, but they should not otherwise be further regulated

M rating doesn't mean shit, most stores don't stop kids from buying them.

At least, they didn't 10 years ago. I remember being 15 years old and walking into GameStop to buy GTA Vice City Stories and the clerk didn't bat an eyelash.

>I don't like it or understand it
>So it should be made illegal

nah I'm not that guy I don't want it illegal I just want schools to not be retarded so all the societal cancer gets cured.
ideally voucher system instead of public schools so it automatically selects for schools that don't suck.

that's never gonna happen though because it's the source of all the dark power is the public schools being corrupted.

You'd probably get farther in an argument if you actually prove your point or disprove the other anons m8. Saying 'nope' doesn't do anything

I agree but having them around makes developers devote stupid amounts of time to their design and integration into games, to the detriment of the game.

>Reminder that communism is unironically good when the goods in question are in unlimited supply, and of negligible cost to produce and deliver, like Lootboxes are.

Fucking this. Publishers don't want them to being seen as gambling because that means they must raise the game classification, preventing them from using many platforms to sell

kill your self

There is nothing fundamentally right with loot boxes.

Many times cutted from the game on purpose to sell them later as lootboxes

Most stores have a policy against selling to minors. Accidents do happen of course. When I was 15 I bought P4 without a hitch. The idea is it puts a simple barrier in place and to put the fault cleanly onto the parents, since the games are explicitly not for minors. They don't get credit cards out of nowhere after all.

>BROS LOOK HOW ANTI Yea Forums META I AM GICE ME (you)s

/thread

There's nothing wrong with lootboxes built around them because I can just avoid those games. My problem with them is when they start injecting it into every fucking game.

>reddit ever doing any good job
Yeah, tell that to Project Veritas

Don’t mind them if it’s just cosmetic stuff. TF2 is a good example of it done well without crippling the game.

This, but only if there's an option to disable cosmetics entirely in-game.

Go away EA

Like what? Smash? DLC. Online? Paid. Costumes? DLC.

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Yeah when they don’t cost real money

>TF2 is a good example of it done well without crippling the game.
Terrible example, the cosmetics cripple the game in a literal sense because now it runs like shit even on top of the line modern rigs because of all the cosmetics, and it cripples the game in a figurative sense because medics won't heal you if you're not wearing a silly enough hat and nobody even plays the game for the gameplay, they play it so they can play dress up.

dumb frogfaggot

>runs like shit
stop playing on your toaster
>medics won't heal you
what servers are you playing on

Never seen cosmetics do shit to performance unless it’s someone spamming the meet the medic taunt on 2fort. Also medics that refuse to heal based of cosmetics would do the same without them it would just take them slightly longer to find “skilled” players to focus heals on. Considering a lot of medics only focus heavy and solider or pyro and demo depending on medi gun

the analog to gambling in games is real money trading not lootboxes, which game companies do crack down on
gambling is regulated because the government doesn't want you to bypass taxes, not for some ethical reasons

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Nnnooooooooo you can't just go and sell goods and services I don't approve of!

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What an absolute brainlet post

When they gimp their own games for some quick cash instead of real support yes I disapprove. When you put it in games of T or lower rating your stepping on a lot of toes and raising concerns although the easy answer is raise the rating.

>Loot boxes reach a point where having more of them doesn't mean more sales
>it was at that moment that the executives decided to hand themselves a well deserved bonus and issue a massive stock buy back instead of investing in new games, R&D or wage increases

You're right! When a game has them, I can save my money and not waste my time. It's made it so much easier to spot good games in the sea of shit games.

Cringe
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