The death of games ownership

I forgot when Valve came to my house and deleted games off my hard drive. Idiot.

i can play every physical game that i've. i don't know what your meaning is

Valve can disable access to a game on a steam account should they so choose. Nintendo has no such ability with an N64 :)

>hearing an installer music after years
Oh boy

Stadia feels like it will barely last a year.

>paying to play games you will NEVER ow n
Thanks for giving me free games, buyfags

>If you lose the files, you lose the game
not true, you can always just redownload them
but you can't do that with n64 games because then you're a dirty pirate. what's that? you owned the game back in the day? fuck you doesn't matter

so many i cant even begin to count

are you retarded or are you a zoomer that literally never experienced this?

Uuuuuufffffff
to many to count, mostly ps2

I've come around on Denuvo. I still won't buy games with their DRM on it, but I respect the fact that they've finessed publishers for so long

based and redpilled
Fuck cartridges and CDs

The only physical games I own but can't play are old PC games.

>The files on your computer are as much ownership as an N64 cartridge
Lol what delusion, did you not see the games removed from digital and removed from libraries? You're fucking retarded

Stadia is the only one that really changes the ownership of games. The rest of those are just temporary storage for games. How come you didn't put gog.com in your bait?

no they cant

Feel free to explain the legality of Nintendo sending a repo man to my house to take my 25 year old cartridge

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It doesn't matter if you bought a physical item, every video game purchase is based on a license to play the game, physical or digital. It is technically within their legal right to repossess the game because you don't have the license to play it, they just don't because it's way fucking easier to ban your console or ban you from online servers and costs way less money.

Do you have the court case that proved this?

vice.com/en_us/article/8xpekz/nintendo-sues-switch-modded-nes-classic-pirate-californian
>WOOOOOOOW WHAT THE FUCK I BOUGHT THIS HARDWARE THAT MEANS I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT WOOOOOW
Retard

That article doesn't have a ruling from that case?

what non indie games are even digital only?
pretty sure most games even nowadays can be purchased physically

>origin bad
Origin offered a refund program before Steam and allows you to refund after two weeks of the purchase like Steam OR 24 hours after launching the game. You get 24 hours to beat a game before refunding it. Meanwhile Steam lets you try to launch a broken game or attempt to connect to broken servers for only 2 hours before your money is gone forever.

Who still enjoys having to manage a disc/physical collection and dealing with disc trays

Digital is easier.

>every video game purchase is based on a license to play the game
this just means you don't own the intellectual property contained in it. you don't own the rights to mario just because you bought a copy of SM64, but you still own your copy as much as you own anything else. this has been confirmed in court in multiple countries.
> It is technically within their legal right to repossess the game because you don't have the license to play it
this isn't even remotely true. even if you were right about the license thing(you aren't) it's not a service they can revoke

>Meanwhile Steam lets you try to launch a broken game or attempt to connect to broken servers for only 2 hours before your money is gone forever.
No, Steam allows you 2 hours of gameplay. If you can't connect in the first five minutes of booting a game you have another 13 days to try before refunding.

Are you fucking retarded? Rhetorical question. You're blatantly braindead. He didn't ask that. There is a fine line between purchasing a physical copy for home usage (read the EULA, you stupid fuck, they can't "repossess" your cartridge) and modding their intellectual property and selling it as your own.

>muh physical
All games are physical.

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Brainlet

1. you can sue anyone for anything, it's meaningless until there's an actual court decision made
2. they aren't being sued for modifying hardware, they're being sued for reselling pirated games
3. emulation is 100% legal (bleem case) modifying hardware is 100% legal (apple jailbreak case)

stadia is a joke
>pay 900 for "consol"
>pay for games
>pay to play game at "best quality"

this seems about right. can't really think of any case where they could actually repossess your game.
unless you literally stole a shipment of games from the factory or something, but that should be obvious.

>what is cloud storage
dumb fucking boomers lol

99% of physical copies are just a steam key in a box, and even console games require a giant day one patch before they run anyway

physical still kind of exists, but it's basically just digital with extra steps

They can't unless it has steamworks. It doesn't really matter anyway because it's extremely easy to crack.

>(((cloud))) storage

dumb fucking zoomers would sell their souls to google if they got a new app for it

>and even console games require a giant day one patch before they run anyway
Not offline ones, you can play games like Resident Evil, Judgment, etc. without the patches.

You're confusing IP ownership with ownership of a good. If I buy The Witcher I don't own the world and characters but I own that copy of the IP to do with as I please as long as I don't use it like I own the IP. This is the same whether you bought a game physical or digital, they belong to you as your property.

Ok then, name 5 games that were removed from peoples libraries.

>unless you literally stole a shipment of games
well yeah well yeah but that has nothing to do with the eula or license issue

>99% of physical copies are just a steam key in a box
got some source on that claim?

(Actual) Boomers are the people most fascinated by "le cloud" buzzword though.

Look up the prices of second hand NES games today. That's what game ownership gets you.

there's not many modern console games that require patches. i haven't seen any personally. i know some exists. but it's pretty rare.
pc versions are more prone to being unplayable without patching.

i don't know every game, obviously, so there are probably still some that do. but there's shit like Kingdom Hearts 3 not even shipping with an ending on disc. half your "physical" game collection is going to be worthless plastic after sony ends support and your ps4 HDD dies.

do people seriously believe that the law allows companies to unilaterally revoke the license on a piece of software someone purchased from them whenever they please? what kind of fucked up laws do you think your country has?

Retard, KH3 shipped with an ending. It's the secret movie that's foreshadowing the next game that wasn't included.

Thankfully those games were preserved in the form of ROMs which can be downloaded for free.
Also with game streaming you won't even have overpriced second hand copies.

i only buy physical games and can't even remember the last time the disc had anything other than a link to steam on it

SMACK __ _____ UP

Why does the ownership of games matter?

PC gaming is literally the root of a shit ton of stuff that plagues the gaming industry currently. PC retards will still say "hurrdurr consoles hol us back".

That's not how software works. If you don't have an active license you don't have the legal right to run software. It is piracy by definition. You own the physical media which carry the software, whether you own a license to use said software is another matter altogether.

My bitch?

because companies are selling games while representing them as a good. if they were merely selling a service like a wow sub, nobody would bat an eyelid. it’s misrepresentation

>Paid corporate shills all over Yea Forums desperately trying to convince us we dont own our physical games

This is the desperate level that the likes of microsoft and and ea are at in trying to push their subscription service/non ownership agenda

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At least on PC all that shit will always be optional.

*the renaissance of piracy*

you own games on steam, they won't be going anywhere

>skipping gog, uplay and windows 10 store
come on now

You guys can't list a single bad thing about games being digital. Every single complaint you have is about DRM and corporate greed. Allow me to paint you this picture:

>game is physical
>game will eventually rot
>game can't be played on any system unless the game dev says so

>game is digital
>can never rot, because you can transfer it to new media all the time
>can play it on any hacked system, regardless of whether it has a disk drive, usb, sd card slot, etc
>no limitations whatsoever

The thread takes issue with DRM, which puts artificial limitations on digital games.

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>while representing them as a good
nope

But what about the rotational velocidensity causing bit rot?

Oh no! If Steam ever shuts down, all of the vidya will be deleted forever! Just like when StarForce, Tages, SecuROM, and SafeDisc went away. The games that used those DRMs are all gone forever as everyone knows.

This can be overcome by compressing using lossless formats such as FLAC, APE, or TTA.

>game will eventually rot
You got facts to back up the time line of when they become unusable?

Its all plastic and records that are hundreds of years old can still play music to this day

That's under the best of conditions though. Unless you copy the files or information, eventually it will decay, and to prolong its lifespan you can never use it, or it'll wear faster.

>comparing records to CDs
You don't just have bit rot you have brain rot as well.

>records that are hundreds of years old

Its only laser that reads the data on the disc, as long as you keep it in its case and aren't leaving it on the floor or wiping your arse with it it should be good for at least a hundred years

"Cloud" is just someone else's computer lending you storage or processing power.

well, the first ever recorded human voice dates back to 1860s so he's not all wrong

youtube.com/watch?v=9GP0KDuzgBc

And the amusing thing is that the most popular form of DRM, Steamworks, isn't even half as bad as Securom used to be IN PHYSICAL COPIES.

Who cares? They're games, toys for my amusement, nothing more.

the cloud is just someone else's hard drive you tard

Steamworks is barely even drm, valve doesn't give a fuck about piracy and it's easy to crack.

Steamworks is the most non-DRM possible DRM, has there ever been a case of a game taking more than like a day to be cracked? I think Valve just makes it available as a placebo for nigger devs, as Gabe himself said Piracy was more of a distribution problem.

Yea Forums is full of underage kids who weren't even alive for things like Securom.

Because gog doesnt enforce DRM?

Just save my pic to fight back bambi

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I would buy physical games more often but the taxes on them are higher than I thought it would be.

i hated that shit with all my soul. the most hard to delete thing from the pc that i have ever had the displeasure of encountering

you own it if they can't take it away from you.
physical disks you can resell it if you want. If the software lets you make copies without any DRM authentication then you own it whether you pirated it or not. If it's tied to an account that can be turned off then you don't really own it.

starforce was way worse than securom

So it's about DRM vs no DRM not about physical vs "digital"

I still have floppy discs of Sierra games from the 1980s along with an A: drive to still run them, as well as a shitload of CDs from the 90s and 00s for PC and Playstation. Though I've backed every one of them up, the 3.5 disks still work just fine.

What's it like being retarded?

doing gods work op.
Yea Forums is full of contrarians that opposes games as a service, but thats what steam essentially is. They know this, but are in far too deep money wise to ever admit.

More like the death of free games for Russia or China.

Another good reason to stay a piratefag

i can play physical without the need of internet connection at all. i can play physical on ancient computers that barely have storage because of the options to leave most of the game on disk and play with it inserted, i can play physical games on older consoles even if i do not own the newer ones, i can make a copy of the game from a physical medium...just a quick couple of examples that came through my mind that do not apply to digital. are they extreme or remote situations? maybe. but they still exist. i can take my gbc in the middle of the ocean and play it as long as i have a pack of batteries.

>i can play physical without the need of internet connection at all
I can do so with "digital" as well
>i can play physical on ancient computers that barely have storage because of the options to leave most of the game on disk and play with it inserted
I can do so with "digital " as well
>i can play physical games on older consoles even if i do not own the newer ones
I can emulate these consoles using "digital" copies of the games.
>i can make a copy of the game from a physical medium
I can do so with "digital " as well.

you cannot do any of the above because you need to have internet connection at least for activation and one time download. at least for these two. if i go with a brand new 90s laptop on mount everest i can play on spot diablo 2 for as long as the battery lasts me.

post proof with timestamp. also tits or gtfo

How is one time download an argument at all? It's an equivalent of a trip to gamestop. In fact, it's straight up a better version of a trip to gamestop.
>at least for activation
Your beef is with DRM, not digital. How many times do you need that point hammered?

>you cannot do any of the above because you need to have internet connection at least for activation and one time download
I can just hand someone a USB stick with the games on it. There ya go. Now this is physical distribution of course. Which brings me back to my original point "digital" doesn't exist.
What you're complaining about is mostly an issue of DRM and I guess you also have a problem with the common distribution method of downloading games. This however has nothing to do with the storage method.

The market decided that they prefer artificially low prices (which aren't there anymore, since now Steam is the standard) and comfort, in delivery and autoupdating. I don't like that (I would prefer to have physical releases, specially in Blu-ray), but that's how it is.

i do not care about drm, it affected both physical and digital. your equivalence is false because the premise is that the game is already owned. i own the disk in my hand, you own the digital version in your account/pc - if we go before this, you are right. i started however from that point and in the case of you owning access to the product takes us to 2 situation - either you activated the code but cannot play due to the need to download and install, thus internet connection needed ( i am not limited by this) or you already "one time downloaded/install" it at which point it is on your hard drive - either leave it there, make a backup copy etc, either way you are now in the physical medium as well. digital loses in both situation.
don't care about drm, it is indeed purely about storage method because you own your digital on a hard disk, i own it on both a hard disk and a disk. 2 mediums vs 1. yes, you can make a backup copy but not to the majority of the games. what will you do? copy/paste the steamapp folder on a bluray? c'mon. if my hard drive gets fried i have it pristine on the disk in my hand, if yours fries i doubt you could run the backup copy of the unsuported game to call it so. some missing dll's or some shit will pop up.

>yes, you can make a backup copy but [hypothetical gibberish that is somehow supposed to make my cheapshit plastic look good]

>your backups won't work in the future
Go ahead and pop in a CD from the late 90s and tell me about missing dlls you fucking moron.

if you're worried about having something physical, just download the installer dumbass

and here i thought i could talk normally about the situation. nope, let's go apeshit and either ignore half the reply or throw around some curses. gg, you sure showed me. go type your keys is and pray to google masters to let the servers up for one more year to earn that achiev. fucking mongoloids.

I took the GOGpill. Only buy DRM free games, pirate the rest.

Based.

How the fuck did you get from me saying that there's no difference in storing a game on an optical disk to storing it on a hard drive to me supporting google Stadia?
That's some impressive projection.