PS5 BENCHMARKS LEAKED

Who cares about looks, how about you actually brag when PS4 games play at more than ~22fps? PC looks AND plays better

>Still believing the lies

You're doing this to yourself

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>AMD
>on par with RTX 2070

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>he fell for the amd gpu meme
>he fell for the marketing hype meme

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>buying a Censorstation

Crysis 1

that makes no sense considering a 2070 is more like 8x more powerful than a ps4

Remember that PS3 Cell Processor that was the strongest supercomputer in the world, supposedly stronger than multiple high end PCs?

Weird how these kinds of claims always fall so far below expectations every single generation, innit?

>got an 2080ti
Wow so I have a better gaming system then you console fags have next year?
And then the new line of gpu's come out and your consoles are trash again.

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And for years to come as well, until the PS5 pro inevitably makes the ps5 obsolete.

>Snoy Fanboys think that having a GPU on the level of a 2018 card is worth shit at the end of 2020.
LOL

>doesn't have that quote about the PS2, where it "will send you into a waking dream where you can't tell reality from video game"

Been trying to find that vid again for years.

OH NONONONONONO

Garbage.

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>consolefags still falling for marketing hype
how can anyone be this gullible after being lied to so many times?

Yes it will be. Cope

$600 for an 2070 level system is actually pretty good i would have to spend that much to upgrade my 1060 for an 2070

These people buy DRMboxes and spam garbage on this board for 0(ZERO) dollars that should tell how retarded they are.

>Cope

I don't have to, you're already doing it for me if you believe any of this

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>snoyggers will have RTX 2070-level performance until at least 2027

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>Unmodded
Cuck

Reminder that PS4 performs WORSE than a PC of the same price
youtu.be/5yJUNyOS95o

>better than a 2070
ONLY $699 US DOLLARS

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>Sony lies

No!

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>This UPCOMING console will have speccs that MAYBE are on par with PC speccs from then-few-years-ago

OH BOY! WHAT A TREAT!
Considering that those reports are ALWAYS exagerrated this doesn't bode well for you.

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RTX 2070 has been replaced by the RTX 2060 S & Nvidia has confirmed new GPU's in 2020 as well

PS5 already out of date lmao

>better than a 2070
>slight edge over scarlett
Both Scarlett and the 2070 use hardware ray-tracing, the PS5 is confirmed to use software ray-tracing. That alone makes it weaker than both of them. Stop buying into Sony lies, OP.

I love the PC Master Race of higher specs argument because it asumes a magical world where everyone, everywhere, everytime has the latest and most potent hardware to date.
The reality, in fact, is that a single fucking month after wasting thousands of dollars on a new rig, every new game pushes your rig a little farther from being able to run it to perfection, until you plateau for a while on playing on medium settings, which constitutes the majority of the pc gaming experience.

>a 500 dollar graphics card

are you ready for 599.99-2 electric boogaloo?

Uh yes it will. simply because developers are coding to the metal and it's one platform. It will bring better results for the hardware

>RTX 2070
Oh shit, they're really got us this time!
If you ignore the fact that the 2070 is roughly equivalent in performance to the GTX 1080, which will be five years old by the time the PS5 is out.
Jesus fucking Christ, at least the eighth generation was only one year out of date. This is absolutely pathetic.

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Nigger the fact that the 2070 yse hardware ray tracing isn't taken into account while doing the benchmark

b-b-b-but REAL TIME AUDIO RAY TRACING AND ALSO SSD!

Isn't the XboneX 4x more powerful than a PS4?

>all these defensive pc cucks
LMAOING @ your life

4x more powerful than PS4 would be like a 2060

And next year a 2070 will be outdated shit already bcs new GPUs come out

audio ray tracing already exists in ps4 (killzone)

By next year? You're laughing now, but those specs will decide what modern multiplats look like for PC games. There will never be another Crysis.

Honestly though, I think the special SSD thing they're doing to eliminate load times is cool.
Too bad it doesn't make the console any more powerful. Plus, with PCIE 4.0, PC will probably have that shit around the time the consoles come out anyway.

Yet it matters if they're going to use it as one of their main selling points.

Remember when they said PS4 would be on par with 1080?

Still looks like fucking garbage modded.

PS5 & XB2 use a hybrid ray tracing solution, so it won't be as fast as what Nvidia has

AMD pretty much admitted this too

>implying you know what you're even talking about

They didn't say that because GTX 1080 didn't exist when PS4 came out, get your facts straight.

PCIE 4.0 is already out & it's likely what Sony & Microsoft are using

and even nvidia's solution is unbearably slow right now, so on ps5 it's DOA

Yeah i guess John Carmack doesn't either

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and we still get the absolute best version bcs we'll play with 3080 tis while you play with 1080s kek

that said im gonna buy a 2080 super in a few days to play games like cyberpunk in 4k ultra and raytracing enabled while you play it on low settings 900p and no rtx :)

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Nvidia's solution has enough weight to push ray traced global illumination, i don't think we will still that on next gen consoles, mainly ray traced reflections, since even normies notice that screen space reflections are garbage

Sure shill

>it's really 2070
>no ti no nothing
Oh my fucking lord, imagine them pushing raytracing on this shit. IMAGINE THE FPS
IMAGINE 4K RAYTRACING ON 2070
AHAHAHA JESUS

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>some literal who nobody

who cares?

We are talking about a benchmark here dumbass. Not some tech features. And no, Sony never spoke about hardware raytracing.

Fire Strike favours AMD because of AMD's better compute & PS5 is 99% going to use a 5700 XT, so this benchmark makes sense

However the 2060 Super already replaced the RTX 2070 for 100 bucks less

And the game will still be 26fps

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I just wish the ps4 had mouse and keyboard support desu I hate controllers

I hope you don't actually believe this.

2070 power will be low end by the time PS5 comes out. 3050 Ti will probably blow it out just like the 750 Ti did the PS4.
Don't @ me, very big brain shit here.

4x more powerful than the base PS4 isn't really a hard thing to do. If it's the PS4Pro, then I would be impressed.

>>>>>>>>>>some literal who nobody
I hate underage fags like you.

AMD said nothing about hardware raytracing except that it will be implemented way later.
It's definitely not on NAVI.

Will still be 30fps

even my 2 year old 1080 ti is better than the 2070

Call me when consoles decide to join the 20XXs and do 144hz like normal humans
Gaming in 60 fps is painful enough, gaming in sub 30 is just suffering

>better than 2070
so in other words, when it launches in 2021, it will be obsolete and the low end graphics card for pc

No, Sony talked about real time ray tracing though. It was AMD that confirmed it was a hardware solution as opposed to the hardware solution Scarlett uses. And yes, software ray tracing affects your benchmarks you fucking brainlet. Jesus Christ user, are you willfully ignorant or are you just this stupid?

Not him but that's taken out of context. He was talking about what Windows used to be and how much performance is lost through API overhead on PC.

If you think that still applies as of right now, just compare the performance of those console games running ar sub 20fps to the PC counterpart running fully maxed at over 60fps.

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Any pc game at 60fps

>No, Sony talked about real time ray tracing though
Can you read? THEY NEVER TALKED ABOUT HARDWARE RAYTRACING
HARDWARE
HARDWARE

>ps4 release date was 2013
>GTX 1080 was announced in 2014

Are you retarded?
I agree that Sony lies about performance are stupid but at leas tdo your research before you make others look bad.

>snoy will hold back another entire generation to 30 fps
When will these Cali gooks fucking die?

> It was AMD that confirmed it was a hardware solution as opposed to the hardware solution Scarlett uses
???

oh wow he made doom nearly THREE decades ago wow what an accomplishment what he done since nothing haha wow his opinion is still totally worth something huh

shut the fuck up boomer

Well, the 1080 wasn't announced in 2014, the Pascal architecture was. The 1080 was announced the year it came out,2016.

>0.05$ added to your PSN account

console devs havent coded to the metal for decades now which is why games are laggier than ever.

on a $4000+ machine

>think about getting a console
>remember I have to use one of these things

That's a yikes from me.

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GO PLAY GARRYS MOD WHILE THE CONSOLE CHADS PLAY GOAT OF WAR AND RDR2 LMAO

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If you play any FPS games at all, his and Romero's work directly influenced it. You genuinely just threw a dart at the board blindfolded.

When will Sonyfags realize that God of War is ugly as fuck?

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So you are just really stupid after all, okay. My bad.

Typo, I meant software. PS5 uses software, as opposed to the RTX cards and Xbox Scarlett.

we have no idea what the ps5 is using but MS flat out said they're using a hardware based solution not hybrid. they're developing their own RT hardware in-house.

Nice, I look forward to 40 fps instead of 30.

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Yeah, and the PS4 Pro was suppose do to be as good as a 1070 or a 980 ti. I'm going to laugh when this shit comes out and it's weaker than a fucking 390x.

See, this is the problem. You think you know what you're talking about because you see some stupid shit on Yea Forums and you're gullible. That tweet is deliberately taken out of context to trick retards like you. He's talking about how shitty pc apis used to be. You wouldn't know this because you're a moron who thinks that random shit you see on Yea Forums is a reliable source of information.

Even better for my argument then?

have you ever considered that he just got lucky?

i mean doom is nearly 30 years old and he hasn't done anything of note since

>coding to the metal
What the fuck is this retarded zoomerspeak

OH NONONONOONONONO
IS THAT SKYRIM ENHANCED EDITION?

>2070
So it's already confirmed garbage

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Bitch, software raytracing is nothing and is irrelevant here. There are already games using raytracing on ps4.
The whole point is if it's going to be hardware accelerated. And it wont since AMD doesn't have the tech.

See Idiot

What is stopping you from doing your own research and seeing that you're wrong?

no thats standard skyrim

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Inner Chains. It's a shit game, but it's easily better looking than anything released on consoles this gen.

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Gonna need you to back up the claim that there are PS4 games with real time raytracing.

Modded skyrim
Y I K E S

Every console performs worse than a PC of equivalent price. An Xbox One X is weaker than a fucking Rx 470.

>on par with rtx 2070
but thats the new middle class of 2019?

so it's already "meh" when it releases?

>he just got lucky
Yeah dude, he just got lucky by accidentally revolutionizing first person shooters and making game engines that still run on the same 1996 Quake foundations, (CS:GO, Apex Legends, Titanfall 2) he just got lucky man.

>[company who makes console] HAS SUPER SEKRIT TECHNOLOGY THAT'S MORE POWERFUL THAN ANYTHING ON THE MARKET FOR A FOURTH OF THE PRICE AND THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO USE IT IN THEIR VIDEO GAME CONSOLE AND NEVER SELL IT FOR ANY OTHER COMPUTER
We go through this every time and it never ends up true. Why do you keep doing this? Is it just kids who have never been through a console generation before? Can't you guys just accept that consoles are just okay hardware for a decent price in a small form factor? Do we really have to do this "SECRET SUPERCOMPUTER TECHNOLOGY BUT FOR THIS VIDEO GAME CONSOLE ONLY" every single time?

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>If I can close my eyes and ears and ignore 15 years of technological improvements, they don't exist
Crysisfags are insufferable

They had a presentation about it, it's a hybrid solution coming in 2020 gpu's & consoles will be using that

Snoyboys cope thread

That machine has been since upgraded but I sold its old CPU, MOBO, 24gb of RAM and 2 goddamn power supplies for $150. The entire build at that point was probably worth $500 or less.

they don't make their own hardware for consoles anymore, the RT will be 100% from AMD

consolebabs are easily tricked

>he hasn't done anything of note since
Stop it, kid, go eat Tide Pod

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>some insider says that Playstation 5 is comparable to some PC graphics card
>snoys suddenly become experts in PC hardware
I love this episode.

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>he thinks RDR2 isn't coming to PC

also it's a shit game after chapter 6, dunkey was right

is this the speccy thread? please post yours so I can gameplan my upgrades (still rocking a 1050ti)

>hes done plenty
>lists nothing

All that shit and it can't run the original doom

I think it's just boomer logic legacy from the times when custom hardware was common place.

so by the time it comes out (winter 2020) it will be 'on par' with a 2 1/2 year old mid range card? woop woop.

Audio raytracing on Killzone.
The Tomorrow Children for reflections.

Because snoyfags are legitimately retarded.

as technology gets better progress gets slower

get used to it fatso

>real specs revealed
>gpu roughly 1660ti/2060 performance
you may screencap

Sure, I'll go play something comfy and social where I can do whatever the fuck I want while the console tards play 30fps linear cinematic experiences.

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He's a nobody.

Based on what? This is his response and the first tweet is an original tweet not responding to anything about api. Who's the retard taking what is said on Yea Forums as gospel now? Where do you get API from?

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man even the foliage in forza looks better than this

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This thing is gonna be 800 bucks.

COPE AHAAHHAAHA

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Better enjoy it while it last console fags since this might be the last one ever

Apparently they are going on the cloud next gen so guess what, you don't own your shit either

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2060 s is already 2070 performance & the 3050 Ti will probably be too

Carmack is fucking retarded. What a surprise. His Tweets about how electronics work already outed him as some crazy retard that doesn't even understand the basics of a circuit, conductivity, current, etc. The guys a joke.

Currently on a 6 year old pc build. What would be the best time to upgrade? Before or after next gen? Budget is planned to be 1.3k.

How come racing games always look so good?

After of course.

pretty much every new multiplat looks better than these

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literally who cares if it's not gonna have any games and it's not gonna have any graphics settings

There's a new series literally coming out this month

>Honestly though, I think the special SSD thing they're doing to eliminate load times is cool.
that would need competent devs tho

So why are these threads always filled with people backing up graphics cards that they dont own? As an idort I don't understand the "PC only" crowd who champion upper tier PC specs while posting from toasters.

Can it send people to mars though?

I always upgrade something every year or 2 , fuck poorfags

microsoft literally has their own in-house hardware team developing custom ARM hardware for windows among other things. they also produce their proprietary own audio hardware for xbox one. they can easily design their own RT hardware and work with AMD and TSMC to get it implemented into their next console. hololens is also another design made all by the microsoft hardware engineers.

semiaccurate.com/2013/09/03/xbox-ones-sound-block-is-much-more-than-audio/

Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2 and Quake. Doom's engine led to the Build engine, which led to Blood, Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior. Quake's engine led to GoldSource, which ended up being Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, and other mods. GoldSource ended up being Source, which was the engine HL2, Portal, Portal 2, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, CS:S and CS:GO used. Source was then licensed to Respawn to make Titanfall 1, 2 and Apex Legends.
Carmack's engines led to all of those games. Remind me how he's a nobody again?

I guess because they're generally designed linearly and the world is static as fuck, so there's more room to push prettier graphics.

Sure it might be better than a 2070 or whatever but when it's released, we'll probably have the 22070 series going on and the PS5 is like 30 years behind the tech yet again, just like always

E.Y.E., S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and F.E.A.R.

why would pc users ever be on suicide watch? its ok if your console is better than a 2070, by the time it releases 2070s will be very common and several newer more powerful GPUs will be available to pc users, while you'll be still stuck with the same spec

You don't focus on every little detail while racing, that's why it looks good in motion but that's also why if you look closer you will realize that every racing game has very little detail in certain areas.

Mainline Forza still has 2d trees in some maps.

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P5 Royale reveal with the Snoy logo was an absolutely kino switch-fags btfo moment

I just want the controller to have USB type C. Micro USB sucks and the ports on two of my controllers have already broke.

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>spoonfeed me or else you'll lose
heh, nice try, kid, next time try to google longer than 1 link

Nowdays even shitposters and poorfags like me can afford at least some used RX580 (roughly GTX 1070 for nvidiafags) so maybe you're underestimating people's rigs a bit.

>Hey everyone! PS5 is gonna be stronger than PC! Look, it's stronger than a uh, Neeveedeeahh... GeePunk 2077! That's strong right?
>"lmao I had that 5 years ago"
>WTF THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!!!!
Watching consoletards and especially sonybros make complete fools of themselves in these "next-gen" threads is an absolute delight.

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you must be either trolling or a fucking idiot kid, either way you are a sad individual and should commit sudoku

Based, blown the faggot like it was nothing

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talented developers most of the time. also high quality car scanning and modelling.

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Wait a minute.
>more prominent physical copies are seen as an upside of consoles
>new noloadtiem ssd tech will really only benefit downloaded games
OHHH NOONNNONONONONONOONONONO

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>has burden of proof
>thinks he actually doesn't

smoothbrain

Getting 2070 performance in a $500 box sounds pretty impressive

Then again we’ll have a 2170 this time next year which will be a big step up from the 2070. A 2060 super is already pretty close to 2070 level and it’s $400. I guess $500 graphics performance now will be $300-350 performance at the end of 2020 when ps5 launches.

>amd apu more powerful than rtx 2070
Okay.

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Silent Hill 3

i'll believe it when i see it

>Chapter 6
I'm only in chapter 3 and I'm already bored beyond belief. You mean to tell me it gets worse?

You idiot. That was his whole thing at the time. You think the only thing that exists in the world is Twitter, you millenial idiot?

They say that about every console, but those consoles can't even maintain 60 FPS while I'm playing PC games at 144 FPS.

bro the game is an absolute slog and they keep throwing boring missions and cutscenes at you

>The exact score value and benchmark details are still not know

$799 USD
Don't buy at launch. Niggers can't afford that and will mug.

it's okay to loose, sweetie, don't be so mad!

Tropico 6

...

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>E.Y.E.
janky ugly garbage for neckbeards
>F.E.A.R.
good gameplay but still looks like shit other than the lighting
>STALKER
base games are boring, repetitive garbage. SOC came out in 2007 but looks worse than original half-life 2 and is pretty much unplayable without ZRP. The mods are decent though.

>$500 box
Keep your expectations in check.

I already have a 2080 super in my rig faggot but I'll buy consoles as well to play some multiplayer with friends and for the exclusives I want to play.

God I love FPS history and how it can be verifiably traced back to one group of developers and a few of their games.
I know most will look down on you for spoon-feeding the ignorant zoomer, but not me. Based user.

I mean the 5700xt is supposed to be competitive with a 2070

Sounds like absolutely shit taste to me.

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>good gameplay but still looks like shit other than the lighting
did you never actually get into a fight with the AI?

>imagine being a snoyfag
>imagine being a quad amputee and being smug about it

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>I already have a 2080 super in my rig faggot
No you don't since they come out on July 23rd.

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See

>RESOLUTION AND FRAMERATES THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE
>UP TO 120 FRAMES PER SECOND
And how long as 120+ Hz been a thing on PC? Since, like, 2010?

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Even Horizon Zero Dawn looks better than that

2080 super isn’t out yet user

A Plague Tale Innocence

What a vague statement with no back up. Carmack posts random shit all the time. Saying he was into API at the time and thus this tweet is related doesn't hold any weight to me. Especially when nothing there mentiond it. posts about coil guns and game programming in the same day. Doesn't mean they're related

Anyone with a brain knows a team focusing on one set of hardware will show better results compared to a bunch of gpus with a similar spec.

Thanks, user. Wanna continue talking about Quake on Steam?

zozzle
What game?

Wow, how did you get a gpu that hasn't been released yet?

>if you made something a game has used, it means you've made that game

guess miyamoto will be involved in everything mario game after he's died since he design mario

Suicide watch indeed. Were going to be stuck on already outdated 2070 shit for the next 8 years.

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[x] doubt

Bloodstained, fucking sidescrolling metroidvania.

diminishing returns yet increasing price tag
hmmm

Moore's law is fucking dead and Moore himself said so

>it's another "snoyfags think having a GPU equivalent of last year's card will be competitive to PC cards when the console releases at the end of the following year" episode
How many times is this now? When will you retards ever learn?

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Miyamoto did plenty for the industry, and so did Carmack. Neither of them are literal who nobodies, which is what the post was about in the first place

This shit's gonna be overpriced for a console that may seem impressive at first but ultimately underwhelms. And there's no way they're doing 60fps 4k with raytracing.

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Really? A"""""state-of-the-art""""" """""4K-capable""""" console can't handle a fucking cartoon-artstyle anime game past 25fps? Are you fucking joking?

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so how long before ot melts into a goopy pile of plastic, metal, and other surprise bits?

dumb niggers should gocus on whether they're able to get some great gameplay, not fuckin photo-realism graphics

Based retards

>This god damn fucking shit taste
Dilate, have sex, cope, incel, tranny, /pol/tard, redditor.

This should be noted that the PS4 Pro isn't true 4k, where as the PC games are running 4k.

Okay? 2070 is getting a little old even as current gen.
PS5 is literally outdated hardware when it releases.

>what is optimizing games

>2070 is getting a little old
Don't forget the fact that the PS5 will be equal to the soon to be five-year-old GTX 1080

>he still believes in ps2-era arguments
holy shit

Something that ensures consoles can get at least 10fps in cartoon-artstyle anime games.

Ok redpill me this, how many games sony has that will take advantage of that capacity?

Yandere Simulator can't run on most high end PC's not because the components are bad, but because the optimization is non-existent. Now replace Yandere with Bloodstained. Is it the developer's fault, or the consumer's?

>6 GORRILONS TIMEMORE POWERFUL THAN A 2080TI BROS
>30 fps
wow its fucking nothing

Remakes and ports of older games in unoptimized HD. It's what everyone is doing now.

>those floor stone textures
>that skyrim hud
jesus fucking christ

to be fair the 1080 beats even parts of the RTX line up, and a 1080ti is still a beast even compared to a 2080. the RTX series is honestly pretty shit given the gimmick focus on raytracing being the priority well before most computers can even hope to handle 100% raytraced gaming at even 1080p

inflation

>AMD
how to know someone is telling you bullshit

>a 1080ti is still a beast even compared to a 2080
They're kind of the same in terms of performance. But yeah, the RTX series is still shit.

Every pc game looks better because PC can run 100+ fps compared to your shitty 40fps with the occasional 60fps cut scenes

pcpartpicker.com/b/2hNQzy
This is a 4000 dollar machine complete with stupid shite like 32 gb of ram, 5 tb of ssd and windows 10.

>better than a not top of the line card that came out months ago
>price point for ps5 not announced, could be anything
>won't have anime boobs because sony minus kaz is basedpilled
>switch has solid titles already out for it
>nextbox already shaping up to be good
>pcs have mmos, turn-based strategy games, crpgs, diablo clones, and anime boobs
sony can't compete with anyone until they at minimum announce a price for the ps5 and they'll fail to get any money from me until they issue a formal apology to the anime boobs of the world and string up the basedboys responsible by their microscopic testicles

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And it still cost $1000

What like a full on upgrade? New case and everything?

who cares

People talk like GoW and Uncharted are released everyday.

>2070 without rt cores
Jajajajakaka you wish

Why does the car have a nosering?

>kickstarter game runs like shit
Wooow

>believing their lies

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so what kind of CPU will the new PS5 have. hopefully they can have some AI intensive games like strategy for once on the console.

Seems the source is some pajeet blog:
notebookcheck.net/First-PlayStation-5-benchmark-leak-shows-it-s-4x-more-powerful-than-the-PS4-and-on-par-or-better-than-the-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-2070.426490.0.html
The article sez:
>Famed leakster TUM_APISAK tweeted an undisclosed benchmark score of the semi-custom AMD 'Gonzalo' APU within the PlayStation 5. He indicates the overall score for Gonzalo to be upwards of 20,000 with the PlayStation 4 (non-Pro) scoring nearly 5,000 for comparison. The details of the benchmark are hidden so exact specifics aren't available but from what we can gauge, this looks to be the 'overall score' from 3DMark Fire Strike.
So take this as you will.

So which next gen console will be the best weeb machine?

I dont support censorship

>APU
OH NO NO NO NO NO

thank you come again

A console, not even out yet does better than today mid tier PCs. lets review again when its is released.

Right now Nintendo send to be making a killing off uncensored weeb games. Sadly they're all localized so some weebs still don't like it.

i specced out a ps4-equivalent computer back in like 2015 and it came out to within margin of error of the actual price point of the ps4 at the time (it was a bit cheaper but not enough to attribute to anything in particular)
console makers are able to cut costs a bit because they standardize, meaning they can place massive bulk manufacturing orders and largely guarantee demand so manufacturers give them better rates
however, those cost cuts are eaten up by the r&d necessary to make and operate a snowflake console ecosystem and aren't recouped by other companies licensing the technology like is the case with pc part manufacturers like samsung, evga, gigabyte, etc. who quickly make back their r&d costs.
and consoles are frequently sold at a loss as admitted by the makers. the loss isn't coming from the cost of parts, it's coming from the other overhead.
tl;dr it's easy to spec out a pc equivalent to any console for a similar price point.

Based on misunderstood benchmarks from the full version of the APU that the console is using a cut down version of. Have any more FUD you'd like to spread, marketer?

Carmack was not talking about video cards in that comment.
He was mentioning the API overhead that concerned CPU performance.

reading comprehension

Nowhere does it say api in any comments see

anything at 4k

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It's funny because this console is supposedly getting release in 2020/2021.
Yet it is far weaker than my 2017 GPU.

Kind of like how my 2010 GTX 580 3GB runs circles around the PS4 which came out 3 years later.

Consoles are many years behind PC.
This is coming from someone who owns a PC and PS4 Pro.

I like some of the exclusives on PS4 but I am not deluded into thinking consoles have a chance at competing with PC in hardware power.

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he's exaggerating
a console will be able to optimize a lot for the same reason os x is able to optimize a lot on macs: apple knows the hardware in advance and that it won't change so they're able to optimize specifically for it. if you've ever tried to follow /g/'s advice and install gentoo (i did btw), you'll know all about this: there are absolutely tons of hardware specific optimizations you can make.
os x is usually able to do 5-10% better in native os x games than the same game on the same apple hardware in boot camp. and apple doesn't optimize specifically for gaming like console manufacturers do.
that said, the game design toolkits early on in console releases aren't extremely performant and optimized yet and can often be buggy and hard to work with. it's more nuanced than "x amount of better performance" because over time, as the hardware's more understood and as the console makers put out better sdks, things get a lot better. it's like if you compare an early NES game like super mario bros to a late NES game like super mario bros 3. they're WAY different even though the hardware is the same.
it's hard to assign an exact number. the point john was trying to make was that you can optimize things a lot better on a console and that's responsible for very significant performance games, and he's right, especially once the console is mature. early on, that's not as much the case.
if you made me pull numbers out of my ass, i'd say maybe somewhere between 5% and 25% depending on how late in the console lifecycle we're talking about, with much less gain earlier on.

look at this wall of cope

yikes

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meme all you want we already know you're ROILING

it's bad form to reply to an argument you lost

x4 more powerful is only 9 Tflops, which sounds about right considering power and size limitation of navi. it's quite below 2070.

stay assmad lol

Bloodstained runs like butter on my 5 years old rig that was fucking budget when I bought it.

So my 3 old gpu is going to be stronger than the next PS4 console for the next 8 years? Good to know.

>leak
i am laffin

probably not, hybrid ray tracing amd patented going to murder it, in normal shader probably yes

Oh my God, why does this always happen? Every single fucking generation you get some autistic claim of "OMG IT'S MORE POWERFUL THAN X HIGH LEVEL GPU". No, it's not. It never is, and it'll be lucky to match a fucking 1060. How do people keep eating this shit?

marketing and fanboyism

That's fine, I usually upgrade my GPU every 4~ years anyway. I thought my 1080 ti would have been blasted by now but it's still going strong.

no

In this case they are selling it for the PC at an absurd markup. It probably something very closely related to a 5700 or 5700XT in it. AMD just decided to be retarded and try to mark up all theiur cards like Nvidia on the PC. Everyone agrees this generation is shit as a result and that if you could still buy a 1080 Ti it would be the right things to do.
I would be careful about the rumors of it being better than a 2070 as that would indicate it is closer to the 5700XT. However, game journos are fucking retards and I could easily see them not knowing the difference and misinterpretting the 5700 as the 5700XT.
This thread also kind of forgets the the 2070 RTX is already deprecated. It got replaced with the 2070 Super.

Both of those games run at 24 fps.

>"It's better than an nvidia XX70!"
70 have always been the entry level vidya card. 80s and 90s are high end. 50s and 60s are budget tier. And we won't even see the PS5 for at least a year or two, so it'll be outdated by then.

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1060 is ps4 pro level already

it's easy enough to just not turn raytracing on in games, though
i mean rtx does look nice but it's not worth it yet unless you're ultra-ricer. you can get really good lighting with traditional lighting techniques cranked up to high settings.

HAHAHA no it isn't, it can barely run multiplats on 30 fps while a GTX 1060 rig can run the same title on 60 FPS+

>The details of the benchmark are hidden so exact specifics aren't available
wow it's fucking nothing

That's a retarded click bait title that makes no sense. If it matches my 1070 I'll be fucking shocked, you idiots do realize the console can't cost 1K plus right?

because it's lacking other components, ps4 cpu and shared ram is crippling it a lot

That's fucking retarded user, think for a second what does it even mean that it's "on X GPU level" any more at this point?

>gonzalo apu

lmao spic console

>PS5 still won't be better than a GTX 1080-Ti

Jesus christ, why are consoles so bad nowadays

Such an overrated game. Got bored after 5 hours. Was sick of Kratos taking 5 seconds too long to open a chest.

If AMD can make an APU faster than the RTX 2070 than why can't they make a dGPU with the same speed?

>to just not turn raytracing on in games
here is a thing, if ray tracing lighting becomes integral part of console experience devs will not waste time on traditional lighting techniques
in good news AMD variant doesn't ask you for special RT cores like nvidia, at least yet.

I doubt it's going to have the 5700xt. It's going to have ray tracing so it's probably gonna have a GPU in the upcoming rdna2 lineup. But from speculation there will be a large variety of rdna2 cards so possibly the GPU being used will be worst in performance than 5700xt.

it's pure math question, it will have 8-9Tflops pure compute performance, which is about right for 170-200mm2 Navi chip

> Shitting on the XBOX controller
Brainlet detected.

I hated Red Dead Redemption for this same reason, all the fucking animations just makes the game feel like shit for me.

Reminder that the strategy is to justify a very high price as a deterrent to push people away from consoles and towards mobile gaming because Sony wants that very easy money.

>Why do people think any console will ever, ever out-spec a PC?
Technically its very much possible,hardware is not 100% of performance.

But that is what he is referring to.
If you had a computer science degree like me you would know that.
Using a programming language that the hardware has to take time to translate back to something it understands ads a lot more overhead compared to binary.

Hardware has gotten much more powerful over the years which leads to lazy programmers who use bloated scripts.

This is largely what causes high CPU usage.

If you look at comparable gpu performance from PC to Console you will find they are similar.

But Using a similar PC CPU to what is on console will produce severe bottlenecks on PC.

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Is this the down syndrome general?

the new microsoft flight sim btfos anything on the ps4

>A 2021 hardware will be better than a 2019 hardware.
What's so surprising?

>2070
Not that impressive. That would make it as good as a 1080 which was released in 2016. If true, the PS5 will be over 4 years behind PC when it is released.

sure sure, just like games as service worked out well for all those publishers
every single such game essentially failed. WoW being the only true success of this for 14 years.

Literally anything with 60fps. Why would you ever ask this question? Do you like the attention?

1060 is Xbox One X level which is stronger than the PS4 Pro.

Not to mention we have 240hz monitors now, consolefags can't even comprehend what that means

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This is where we /thread
Console fags always forget were ahead in tech

Not him but despite your desperate attempts to still cling to the 60FPS meme, it really doesn't matter to anyone with a brain.

1ms IPS soon!

Wow, cool! I can't wait for that to release in 3 years and become obselete on release like every other console!

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It's not 2021 hardware if it's already finalized, retard

If the result is less than half of what the math shows then your math doesn't add up.

but how will it compare to 2270 in 2020?

Any supermarket and food company now a days is gay friendly. Thank to comunism psi ops
How did you buy food?

>Next years console is on par with last years PC
Uh, hooray?

Everytime this gets posted, and everything the poster gets BTFO. I'm pretty sure he's just doing it to waste peoples time

Play a videogame on something other than your PS4 so you can realize what "looking good" actually means in regards to games

That's still a much better experience than having a console, though.

the rx5700xt beats the 2070 so it's not surprising, how they managed to incorporate that in an apu though I have no idea

lmao what even is your point, yes PCs get better all the time instead of saying the same for 5 years as consoles do, that's the fucking point, that's why PCs are objectively better. even with what you said, when you buy a PC even 1 year into a new generation it'll shit all over your proprietary trashbox

>on par with RTX 2070
So does that mean If I have 2080 I should be safe to play ALL games of next gen at medium settings at 40+ fps? cool

>Vaidyanathan Subramaniam
>Vaidya
>Vidya
Heh.

Consolefag upgrade in pc means changing for some parts for new ones , sometimes you change one sometimes you change almost everything,for example before the 1080ti upgrade this year(my 1080 just couldnt keep up 4k) I changed almost all the components in my pc in 2017 even the case

RDR 2 looks miles ahead of both those games, lmao

>the current ps4 pro is weaker than 1050 ti oc
>the new console is basically ps4 pro pro, but it's called ps5
>people really believe it will be on par with 2070 rtx

lul

>Proprietary hardware

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open platform with tons of hard and and software to choose from.

colsed down platform with shitty movie games and online subscription.

I know which one I will take

Even assuming this is true (and these things are usually blown way out of proportion for hype and marketing), and even assuming the console comes out next year (which honestly probably won't happen given that they didn't announce it at E3), it'll still be a "brand new" machine with it's best component being 2 year old hardware
If you prefer consoles, that's fine, but nigga come on, don't be delusional

Guess it's time for pic related again

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Your severely underestimating

any AAA in actual 4k

>gaming laptops with super gpus need to be split in two so you can put the bottom up on a stand allowing the hardware to vent the massive heat out
>gpus have peaked for 4 years, they can't go any further and even htpc cards are fucking hot
>le 8k hardware in le small plastic box

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On 30 fps still

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That was untrue marketing nonsense.

Probably the cpu could do one particular task 30x faster. That doesn't mean that overall the machine was 30x faster.

>PS4 to out-perform PC for "years to come"
lmfuckingao PS4 didn't even out-perform PC when it came out.

Most PC gamers are running a GTX 1060 or lower

sh-shut up goyim and buy PS4™

>400 dollar apu in a shitty plastic box
>better than a mid-high range PC

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They said this about the PS4... and the PS3...
And look where they were....

Gpu maybe. Cpu no

Shit nigger, I'm an absolute poorfag and even I'm running an RX580 in my 4-5 year old rig

Bro is that actually supposed to be impressive? 2060 super has MSRP of 400 and outperforms the base 2080.

Is this going to be yet another gen of underpowered consoles?

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>I think the special SSD thing they're doing to eliminate load times is cool
Yes, SSDs load exceedingly faster than HDD, there's nothing actually "special" about Sony's branded SSD.

Looking at AMD's current GPU offerings, the idea that they have an APU running at 2070 levels is a complete fucking joke, current APUs aren't even 1050ti level.

Rx580 isn't close to a GTX 1070. Its more like a GTX 1060

>believing "leaks" that are obvious marketing
Who had the "high quality pixels" marketing tactic?

>Will be a big step up

How do you know that for sure? If NAVI isn't that good, nVidia will continue to sandbag and give very little performance increase for more money.

>2060 super has MSRP of 400 and outperforms the base 2080.
it doesn't. it performs same as base 2070.
2070S performs same as base 2080.

AMD's 7nm chiplet design is very efficient. They could easily squeeze a lot of power into the same or smaller die size as the PS4 or XBone

I don't know if this shitty tech journal gets blocked here but

gizmodo.com/if-you-just-bought-an-nvidia-rtx-2060-you-should-be-su-1836019407

The 2060 super either meets or exceeds the base 2080 according to gizmodo.

Either way, if base 2070 is what Sony is shooting for, this console is gonna be outdated by launch.

CPU limitation is what fucked framerates this generation. With the Ryzen cpus being used next gen, 60+ fps won't be a problem.

Reading through all these threads is so bizarre. People of either side of the argument are just repeating the same thing over and over again as if they think they're on their way to convince the opposing side to see their way.

>CPU limitation is what fucked framerates this generation.

The general public not caring is what has always fucked framerates.

Whatever game you can output at 60fps you can make better screenshots for at 30 fps and the market likes those.

>Drop money on PC that will let me run most games for the next 5 to 7 years on ideal, High to Ultra settings

>Drop money on a console that starts out already behind hardware-wise, with every game more and more cut, trimmed, or dumbed down to even work on the damn thing, either at lower resolution, fps, or both

Gee idk.

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Platformers aren't based on Mario's code though, just concepts. Carmack made fast paced FPS games feasible on the modest hardware at the time.

Before that, he made smooth scrolling possible on PCs that had no hardware scrolling capability. (Just scrolling smoothly was a problem for $2k computers at the time because it all had to be done in software)

I tried everything from 30-120. It fucking matters

please user, don't make me cringe
don't you know about guru3d or anadatech? heck even techpowerup is more reliable than what you linked.

>Already outdated

It will be years before the average PC user has a gpu as fast as a RTX 2070.

You nerds always assume everyone who plays PC games save up all of their allowance and good boy points to buy an expensive GPU that will be worth half as much in a year.

I thought it was just the switch port that ran like dogshit

Consolefags are retarded news at eleven

It won't. New GPUs and CPUs are more efficient than previous generations. We probably won't see consoles that are like heaters similar to the PS3 and X360 ever again.

Literally only sonyfags doing this song and dance for like the 4th time on Yea Forums. PS4, PS4 Pro, Vita, now this

Ah, so this is how they continue to get legions of retards to buy their outdated hardware DRM boxes.

Zen2 cores. Like the upcoming ryzen 3000 series that has Intel shitting their pants. Miles better than the Jaguar cores in the XBone and PS4 which was dogshit from the start.

>tfw just got a build with a 2070

god fucking dammit i was hoping to wait a few years before having to upgrade

the average PC user only works on an office machine

The Xbox one x is an APU. For some reason they don't sell APUs for PC with as powerful graphics as the consoles get.

It doesn't really matter what everyone uses, it matters how the games are developed and with what hardware in mind. There's no way you can seriously think the PS5 isn't going to be outdated seriously quickly when 400 gpus already beat it out.

Also this "average pc user" statistics are so fucking stupid. PC has such a retardedly high market share compared to any console. You're counting every single shitty office PC and third world pentium rig.

It has a bunch of bugs and glitches that have yet to be fixed and there's a good deal of input lag (even in handheld mode with joycons attached), but framerate is about comparable to PS4 Pro.

What metric are they using to consider it 4x and on par with a 2070? let me guess... TFLOPS well nvidia tflops > amd tflops. Vega 64 is already like 13 TFLOPS does it beat a 2060? lol

You are making tons of assumptions and pulling numbers out if your ass, and I only made it a few sentences in

By the time the ps5 is out, the 2070 will be a ticking $75 bargain bin card rofl.

>Buying any 70 in the first place

>pc benchmark
>lol who use benchmark for actual performance indicator
>ps5 benchmark
>wooooohooooooooooo take that pcfags!
its okay when sony did that

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Current console CPUs are the issue, not the GPU

Man, even their fake promises are trending lower each generation.

hey man im not made of money, i only game at 1080p after all

Don’t forget anons. This happens EVERY gen and NEVER turns out to be true. Stay smart folks.

>rtx 2070 is 8 teraflops not counting the rtx cores
>ps4 is 1,2 teraflops

>4x 1,2 is 4,8 its twice less than a 2070rtx from the main chip alone
>2070rtx has tensor and rtx coreson top

4,8 > 8 ???

How the fuck does that even make any sense.
If ps5 is really 4x stronger it would be in line with a 780ti, a card from 2013.
Ps4 gpu is fucking ancient by now, it would need to be at lest 10x faster to come even close to rtx series performance and even more to rival it.

>Another bluepilled Xtranny

because no1 wants to buy a 2 ghz cpu

Their new Navi chips coming out in like 3 days are supposed to be as fast as the RTX 2070. And these are supposed to be their mid-range Navi GPUs. (5800 and 5900 coming later)

Gonna have to do better than your photo mode in your shitty 360 game, Ralph Fulton.

>they've been saying this for the last 20 years
its always bullshit

I'm a bit curious to see what this thing costs

499$?

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>fag who has been irrelevant for decades now
Why do people care what this ancient dinosaur fgt even says? no one has liked quake since 1963

It's beginning again isn't it?

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Which is on par or lower than a GTX 1060.

Yeah, but you cant play a pc with a controller on your living room TV.

So when you buy a 800$ PS5 to upgrade, I will buy a 600$ graphic card to get better results. wow

>photo mode vs gameplay

>Gizmodo

Is this your first time reading about tech products?

When u pay for online access u get free games and it makes the servers better. They have dedicated servers which means they dedicate the money we pay to them.

>he watches ugly obese man children play video games

No, I'm not. Look at the steam hardware survey. The most popular card by a wide margin is the GTX 1060

youtube.com/watch?v=zKu1Y-LlfNQ

it's possible on PC with only one gtx 1080.

It's either a lie or a pricey as fuck console, the new AMD GPU isn't even on par with a 2070 while costing as much as a console.

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Tflops are tflops. That's why AMD cards were better at mining.

A few generations ago, nVidia stripped everything out of their GTX GPUs that didn't specifically benefit games. This is why their GPUs have been more energy efficient as well post 700 series. So despite absolute compute power is lower on some nVidia cards, they can still be better at gaming because their design is specifically tailored toward that. AMDs GCN design was made to also be good at compute and they tried to be forward thinking with their design and invested into things that didn't pan out.

if it comes with that brapper im sold

er yeah, but I just meant that tflops dont dictate gaming performance. 2070 has like what less than 8, and it surely can beat a vega 64 with almost 14

Good we don't want bigots like you.

Modern ryzen chips at 7nm and 3ghz probably use less or similar power as those old shit Jaguar cores

>seething

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im more worried about pcie 4 coming out after i just put a new build together than i am about console bullshit

Why can't you? I do

>Cherry picking one game

Let's wait until the reviews are out on Sunday

GPUs won't be limited by pcie 3 for a while yet.

Consoles run with AMD hardware dumdum.

theres like 4 unique assets in that screenshot lmfao

So, where can I buy it?

4 more than god of shit. cope.

Never
The plus these companies know 399$ is the magic number
Anything more expensive isn’t going to fly

tflops dont mean jack when comparing nvidia vs amd perf, and ps4 is 1.8+

Super Mario 64

RTX 2070 is more or less a 1080, no?
And the Xbox One was the same as a 1060.
So here's a preview of next-gen:
youtu.be/msctp0PDOVc
Keep in mind that the console will target 4k or more.

not into racing game what else you got?

Too bad its coming out in more than 12 months so the 2070 by then will be old news. And that's just the start of the generation with another 7 more years to go.

An APU with an inadequate cooling solution is not going to perform as well as a 2070 + dedicated CPU, let alone better.

not buying the superior 2080ti lmao

>tfw bought a 2070 earlier this year
Are resale prices going to be fucked because of the Super lineup? I feel like my card is going to be worthless.

Absolutely based

>Inadequate cooling

Have you seen the cooling solution? Not everything needs water cooling with LED reactive fluid, nerd.

>all these seething Snoy Cucks

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I don't need to see the cooling solution to know its inadequate, becuase its universally inadequate. Small form factor with tiny heatsinks doesn't make for great temperate control, dipshit.

>>Inadequate cooling
>Have you seen the cooling solution? Not everything needs water cooling with LED reactive fluid, nerd.

The PS4 Pro sounds like a fucking jetplane due to the fans, tard.

you can smell this nigger shill from a mile away

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Pro and X console upgrades were a test
They are ready to ask for 599 dollarydoos again

>tflops dont mean jack when comparing nvidia vs amd perf, and ps4 is 1.8+
Its literally the only thing that matters,
Its the theoretical top optimal speed for the card if you use 100% of its resources and arent bottlenecked anywhere.

Console architecture is all about optimization, but with how more and more stuff is moved from the cpu onto the gpu overall the gpu is now pretty much the most important part of system when it comes to performance.

Anyway, if ps5 is only 5 teraflops, then its awful, its only a tiny bit faster than xbox one X, which also will uses amd chip.

>that will be $800 plus tip

Eh, can it raytrace?

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>food analogies
Stupid American. In any case they aren't fucking with foods in our countries.

Clean your room and dilate.

PS4 has 1.8 T so 4 more power is 7.2 T, weaker than a 2070 who was releeased last year and until PS5 is release in 1 and 3-4 months, 2070 will be 2 years old. I bet PS5 will cost 500-600$ at least.

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>ps5 will be as powerful as a card that costs more than the entire system alone
imagine being this desperate to enjoy high end performance that you believe this sort of thing

>the exact score value and benchmark details are still no known
Fake leak confirmed

It's actually the opposite.
As technology gets better progress becomes faster exponentially.
Look at your smart phone, that would be straight up witchcraft 30 years ago.
The most powerful computers now are 100x more powerful than the best ones a decade ago.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Gaming is being held back because they replaced innovators with suits that only care about minimal risk profits, the people making all the big decisions don't play or even care about the product they are making.
That is the fucking problem, and you can fix it by pirating everything but innovative indy games made by PEOPLE you actually want to support.
Giving money to big companies is retarded and is what is holding back progress.

Hate to break it to you dumbass but when you create a product to be compact and cheap as possible you don't end up with something thats efficient.

Look at this shitbox. Its like a laptop cooler, of course its going to throttle itself, even if it were as powerful as normal form factor hardware (which it isn't, because again, costs)

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>vidya subhuman
makes sense

said it already , vega 64 is over 14 TFLOPS when overclocked, rtx 2080 doesnt even match that but will give you lightyears better performance

dude wtf ps4 has heatpipes? my slim doesn't its like 1.5cm tall aluminum and thats it

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why better stuff cost more zug no understand

Sorry Yea ForumstendoGAF but SONY ALWAYS WINS

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I am not that user, yeah, phones, computers, consoles etc are faster, but the question is how fast can they get? is already hard to build 5nm CPU only Samsung will use them in 2020, we need to break the physics to build lower than 5, Moore's Law is dead.

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>Dorks seething because I bad-mouthed their pussy-repellant, idiotic meme water cooling and RGB lighting.

You are right...

A console is not as compact as a laptop, so there is more space for more heatsink and larger fans. Do you even know how to make an actual argument, dipshit?

That's about what could be expected.
I don't understand what is so surprising about it.

>a new generation of consolefags are going to spout bullshit marketing buzzwords and get to live the disappointment of underpowered consoles that we all had to sit through 6 years ago
This is going to be comfy as fuck to watch

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If they don't use that space for larger heatsinks and fans it's no different from a laptop

people who think rdr2 looks amazing are just as blind as gowfags

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>ONLY $699 US DOLLARS
Microsoft is so fucking stupid having their console priced so high, good thing sony is sticking with it's $399 goal

So naive. Ok, you buy a PS5. You're stuck with that until the next gen, unless they make a PS5 pro, (which they most likely will, because why not double dip?) so you've spent almost one thousand on hardware alone. With Sony's new attitude towards games you're getting fewer and fewer high quality releases with heavy censorship. Just sounds like things are getting worse to me.

it could be 1000x more powerful but it's still a shitty console only plebs would buy

like what
the numbers i gave for apple were from game benchmarks i saw a while ago on youtube
the numbers i gave at the end i outright said i pulled out of my ass, but if you read that far then you weren't a few sentences in

GDDR6 VS HBM2
I just said that if you aren't bottlenecked, RTX memory is much faster, and still the performance isnt that far apart.

don't forget your online subscription

All PS4s are cheaper than their equivalent PS3s, launch aligned.

He thinks God of War is something to brag about

modded gta 5

Consoles are usually sold at a loss. All they would have to do is make it always online so you have to buy their subscription and they'd probably make profit after a year or so.

>developers are coding to the metal
Is that what they wrote on their press handouts, shill cheatsheet? Geez that sounds fucking retarded.

>Consoles are usually sold at a loss
That was only true a few generations ago

that's cheating, the ps2 was pathetically weak

Current gen wasn't sold for much of a loss or any, that's why they were comparitively weak compared to previous gens. PS3 and 360 sold for huge losses at the begining of the gen and neither Sony nor MS wanted to do that again.

Nintendo doesn't sell for a loss. They always build hardware to be profitable from the start

No, it's still true now. Sony loss close to $60 dollars and xbone usually broke even

Games will look twice as good on Google Stadia when PS5 is released.

Prove it

They will look worse than PS4 games because of all the image compression

It's literally all over the internet. How about YOU prove they make profit, because you can't.

>god of war
you mean the series that has eight games spread out across five different consoles?
I have no idea how consolecucks put up with this shit

You mean ps3 and ps4?

If it's all over the internet why can't you link it?

fuck (you)

Sony was making more money on the ps4 than microsoft was during release and the ps4 was $100 cheaper.

so like the gtx 1080 i bought 4 years ago?

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>PS2
>PS3
>PSP
>PSVita
>PS4
yeah sony is totally not wringing you out for every cent you have
>inb4 rereleases
So you bought the same fucking game twice just so you could play it on a newer console, and now you're gonna do it again after it gets repacked for PS5?

>synthetic benchmarks
dropped

Remember when the PS2 was touted to render Toy Story in real time and launch rockets?

>No PS1-3 BC
>No 4K Player

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>>inb4 rereleases
So you know exactly that you were wrong. That was an easy argument, now leave.

That's not true.

>30% WORSE TFLOPS PERFORMS 25% BETTER
>NOT FAR APART

What AMD card on par with RTX 2070 now? Serious question.

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forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/09/20/sony-to-take-a-loss-on-playstation-4-sales/

If Netflix figured out how to stream 4k I'm sure Google will have good quality too. Other good things about Stadia: developers also don't have to worry about hacked consoles with Stadia and gamers don't have to wait for the "next generation of consoles" to see improved graphics. All consoles should be canceled.

>durr I bought the same thing three times just to play it on my new 1000$ dust collector that cant do shit because I'm so smart and you're not!
Cucked beyond belief. No wonder you imbeciles accept subscriptions and censorshit like they're godsends, you fags are easy money

Moore's Law
exponential increases in technology in terms of speed as it gets better and better (due to "not having to relearn the hammer and nail each time", ie building off of what you already know and refining it), but the downside is smaller changes each time.
It's too bad Apple isn't an innovator anymore. By now we'd have probably got some fucking insane, revolutionary thing from them again that changes/creates an entire industry.

the one that's coming out in a few days that i dont remember the name of

>expecting backwards compatibility in consoles
come now user, why would they compromise the biggest reason their overpriced junkheaps make money?

>someone shuts down your point
>"s- s- stupid a- american! heh... i sure showed him...."
good job retard

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>You had to buy 8 different consoles to play all the games
Quit moving the goal post. You can play all the games on the ps3 and ps4. Fucking retard.

Consoles also need to be small and compact. And come with a bluray drive. And need to be pre-built instead of making people put the parts together themselves.

That XT570000 something? Who the fuck decided that name?
Ryzen is pretty based, but their gpu is still pretty hit and miss. APU is good only if compared to intel hd.

for 700 bucks you can get the hottest new console with the best graphics ever. too bad the games are going to run at 15 fps

>yfw despite all this most ps5 games still won't be able to hit 60fps

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5700 xt. And the 2070 just got replaced by refreshes anyway so it's not that relevant anymore. The 2060s is basically the same performance for much cheaper.

>You can play all the games on the ps3 and ps4
That was never the fucking point. The point was how sony kept wringing you for as much money as they could. At first they released their shit on multiple consoles. Now, they're reselling old shit for full price on newer consoles rather than make the newer stuff capable of playing those games, or even running games that were made for other consoles.
And you drooling faggots lap it up

>consolefags forever butthurt about how 60fps is 'excessive' and 'silky smooth 30fps' is all they need

Because without it im not buying it, im not a corporatised idiot who goes out and buys every new game, all new games are shit, so i want to be able to play my old games i still have on disc

I learned my lesson from buying a PS4 day 1 and having shit to play, so no point in buying this unless it has other features that would make me want to buy it and the PS5 doesn't have them

>you mean the series that has eight games spread out across five different consoles?
The point is you are wrong. You can play all the games on ps3 and ps4. Also there was never a gow release on the vita. Quit being a fucking idiot.

Every time a new console is announced the consolefags shitpost every day about how great it's going to be then when it launches and can't even run a 1080p game at 60fps then they spend the next 4 year being salty AF over it.
Talk about setting yourself up to fail.

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>censorstation 5

not once

>have a 1440p monitor
>have a 970
>not willing to play in 1080p because it basically introduces console-style blurriness
>not enough money to upgrade to 1080ti or equiv to be appropriate for 1440
>stuck with 30-60 fps in most games with lowered settings

feels console man

>next gen console can match current midrange card
wow

And it is just mid 2019. PS5 might not even be out until the end of 2020. I think I will just upgrade from 1060 3gb to used 1070 for $200 and then wait until 2022 to pick up used 2070 Hyper.

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A PS5 being as powerful as a 2070 kind of scares me. With speed advancements slowing down it could mean that next gen l PC will be stuck with games locked to 30FPS with dips below 30 in some cases. Unstable 60 at most. Also have to consider that PC often gets bad ports and makes up for it with raw power. If consoles catch up to PC due to lack of advancements and all the AAA devs decide to do their usual thing of using the new power exclusively for graphical fidelity and zero care about performance PC gaming is fucked. Everyone will have to own $1000 plus graphics cards to get something slightly more powerful than consoles.

Considering how bad all the ports from ps4 was, I know why you're buttblasted. A port from ps5 will mean you're gonna need a RTX titan to even run 30 fps on a pc.

>I mean the 5700xt is supposed to be competitive with a 2070
>supposed to

>The point was how sony kept wringing you for as much money as they could
>ow, they're reselling old shit for full price on newer consoles rather than make the newer stuff capable of playing those games, or even running games that were made for other consoles
>The point is you are wrong. You can play all the games on ps3 and ps4
>so what if I have to buy shit I already have again? You're wrong!
If all consolefags are as retarded as you, that would explain so much

Not that guy but here.

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No games no buy

go fuck yourself

>Because without it im not buying it, im not a corporatised idiot who goes out and buys every new game
Then do yourself a favour, sell your shit and emulate on a PC

>exotic flute starts playing
life's good Sonybros

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Jesus fuck youre autistic. You were wrong, quit crying and trying to move the goal post.

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The people who make pc hardware are the same people who make console hardware. There is no "consoles get stronger and pc stagnates", they're the same thing. How do people not get this yet?

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>suckerpunch
atleast try to fucking hide your shit taste holy fuck
Sekiro will keep on shitting this game in decades upfront

I find it hilarious how fast ppl forget that shit.
There was always TREMENDOUS amout of BS involved with every PS release.

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Minecraft with Raytracing: youtu.be/93fooeo2v3M

That's only 30% faster than an Xbox One X. Dead on arrival if all these $500+ rumors are true.

Nuhh uhh, based Navi btfo Nvidiots forever, AMD is the king of graphics now!!!
Nevermind that their offering are literally dead on arrival and that that's what's supposed to be used in PS5, it's totally gonna btfo your $1300 gaming PC!

Consoles will get get stronger and PCs will stagnate because we are having a hard time making new hardware anymore. After a gen or two consoles will stagnate as well. Right now our bottleneck in computing is becoming the speed of electricity. We need come up with materials that have less resistance and can allow electricity to travel faster, after that though? Then what?

>n-no! I'm not stupid, you're stupid!
You've already proven your two digit IQ consolecuck, no need to embarrass yourself further

im sure casual niggers going to buy your fifa x fortnite machine

but why a gaystation 5 when you can get same or better performance on mobile ??

I would but im anti windows

What the fuck are you saying? How would consoles get stronger while pcs don't?

>because we are having a hard time making new hardware anymore
Who the fuck is we? I hope this is a bait.

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