Dota 2 or League of Legends? Which one is better?

Adding things somehow made dota worse than league?

I dont get people so against the talents.

>turn rate
Adds importance to proper positioning, balances melee vs ranged better than anything in LoL can, and keeps people from kiting each other to hell and back with zero repercussions
>cc lasts a million years
Helps prevent snowballing and is in general stronger game design that puts more focus on strategy and less on gold power
>peruvians
This argument applies to literally any multiplayer team game, and like any multiplayer team game, is solved by actually having friends

Yes. Imagine that there are some people that don't want unnecessary gay shit to pander some league and hots fanboys. Dota was perfect before that

It's beyond me how people can think pre 7.00 dota is better than LoL but LoL is better than post 7.00 dota. Nothing that happened in 7.00 is even REMOTELY as bad as the terrible design that's been in LoL since day one.

It's literally just HURR CHANGE BAD autists, they probably haven't even looked at the game since then

>Helps to prevent sbowballing
Remember when you could just get bkb and mask of madness as PA and just fucking rape the entire team before bkb duration ends? It's doesn't really prevent sbowballing, user.

>gay shit

Making characters more unique and adding more choice? Hots and Lol dont have uniqueness or choice

>balances melee vs ranged better than anything in LoL can
this is the same shit fucking excuse i hear every goddamn time and i don't have any clue why you retards can't into game balance. do you think adcs would still be overpowered if they had 1 HP? do you see what's happening in league now where adc's are shit because literally everyone can jump their dicks and they can't do shit about it despite "oh my god they dont have turn rate!!!!1!"
>puts more focus on strategy
sure because "avoid conflict" makes for such an exciting game right? "if you go for a risky roam and get punished then your only option is to sit there and get fucked instead of have a chance to outplay" it's just an excuse for you fat fucking lards to catch up to the team fight because you're never in position.
>solved by actually having friends
5 man'd and still had peruvians on the other team, not a fan thanks. also i really doubt every game you play is a 5 man lol

>what is abyssal blade
>what is any other BKB-piercing stun
>what is baiting BKB out and/or using defensive items like ghost scepter to wait out its duration so you can CC

I wish people who had no clue how to play Dota would stop criticizing Dota

Having played both at various points, I can safely say that neither can be definitively called better. They scratch different itches.

I jump on league if I want to fuck about with a couple friends in a discord call, Dotas what I play if I want to sit down and play a moba seriously.

ADCs are broken as fuck in lol and every single one of you retards who act like they suck need to face the facts that it is the only static required role/class combo in the game.

The ADC role literally ruins the fucking game. Braindead right clicker.

>Dota is objectively the better game in every single regard
how

>tfw I play smite
>tfw im a diamond kukulkan

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>this is the same shit fucking excuse i hear every goddamn time and i don't have any clue why you retards can't into game balance. do you think adcs would still be overpowered if they had 1 HP? do you see what's happening in league now where adc's are shit because literally everyone can jump their dicks and they can't do shit about it despite "oh my god they dont have turn rate!!!!1!"
The idea is it lets you balance melee without just making them tanky as fuck and having ten million dashes. It's healthier game design. Remember that giant rant by Morello about how bruisers ruined the game?

>sure because "avoid conflict" makes for such an exciting game right?
Hard CC has the opposite affect you fucking retard. Dancing around poking each other with projectiles until someone fucks up is "avoiding conflict" and that's what you get in LoL. Dota's higher impact on hard CC rewards strong engages far more and gives you more incentive to engage and start fights. Also the irony of a LoL player talking about "avoiding conflict" in Dota when Flash exists and dissuades aggression for its entire 5 minute cooldown is laughable

>5 man'd and still had peruvians on the other team, not a fan thanks.
Why the fuck do you care who's on the other team? You don't have to deal with them.
Either way this is still an argument that applies to any multiplayer game so you don't really have any point.

If you're an autist go with Dota if you want to actually have fun while playing vidya play League.

How does a talent choice between +50 gold per minute and +10 int makes the character more unique?

Different ways to build. Different power spikes. Different strats. etc.

Its better than in league where your choice is usually "hmmm armor or Mr this game?" And sometime not even that

>if you want to actually have fun while playing vidya play anything that isn't online-only, multiplayer schlock
I fix

league

Nigga how the hell are you going to get money for abyssal blade Vs a snowbslling PA that will kill your ass faster than you can get gold for basher?

Map awareness and farming?
What kind of a retarded question is this, have you even played Dota before?

League.

pro players were literally getting benched just because their fucking role sucked dick.... when has that happened to any other role? you're a fucking idiot.
morello is a goddamn retard, also i'd much rather have MORE mobility than LESS mobility, because i know how to use it.
>Hard CC has the opposite affect you fucking retard. Dancing around poking each other with projectiles until someone fucks up is "avoiding conflict" and that's what you get in LoL.
literally the only reason they are avoiding conflict is because of the threat of hard CC, are you actually retarded?
>when Flash exists and dissuades aggression for its entire 5 minute cooldown is laughable
flash is used more offensively than defensively in LoL if you're any higher than plat and the fact that you don't know this tells me you don't really play the game
>applies to any multiplayer game
not in my experience, at least not since latin america got their own servers

Dota is better in every single way. Its better to play, better as a viewer, and isn't pay to win.

>hurr dey benched

You fucking retard ADC right clicker exists in 99 percent of games and the few patches it didnt saw massive changes and reverts to bring them back. They won't let anything in bot lane main carry besides marksmen. Stop defending this nonsense when anyone can go on op or champ gg or whatever else and see pick rates above diamond for the role

Anytime there was any choice or diversity riot ruined it to enforce their stupid ass dated meta

>literally the only reason they are avoiding conflict is because of the threat of hard CC, are you actually retarded?
You have CC too, and whoever uses their CC better wins the fight. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. People pussyfoot around fights in LoL because even with a good engage you can't win if you aren't close in gold. Having actual tools to engage like Dota has encourages engaging. Having weak CC and making absolutely everything scale off gold discourages engaging unless you're way ahead. This isn't complicated.

>flash is used more offensively than defensively
I'm aware, I've been playing LoL since 2011 and Dota since 2012. Offensively or defensively, having flash up or not still impacts your ability to fight in the exact same way. Were you dropped on your head as a child?

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What's better horseshit or bullshit? Doesn't matter, both are shit.

every role exists in 99 percent of games...
>You have CC too, and whoever uses their CC better wins the fight.
right i guess i'll use my cc once bane is done stunning me for 9 full seconds with 2 abilities
>Offensively or defensively, having flash up or not still impacts your ability to fight in the exact same way
>offensive and defensive is fighting in the exact same way
right it's definitely not you who was dropped on your head

This.I have never play league but I have play a shit load of dota and i can safely say Dota 2 is wayy more competive and satisfying and the characters actually require practise to use and each player is extremely important to the game.Also they have more complex abilities.It almost feel like an entire diffrent game compare to league.

Except other roles have class diversity retard. ADC role , the main carry role, is all marksmen every game.

Thats why I said static class / role combo

>right i guess i'll use my cc once bane is done stunning me for 9 full seconds with 2 abilities
If he does that and gets away with it then it means he had better positioning and awareness than your team and that's why he won the engage
Your logic is literally "I'm bad at it so it's the game's fault" and you are an actual retard

>offensive and defensive is fighting in the exact same way
Who are you quoting you absolute retard
Whether you're on the offense or the defense having a free blink is huge and in determines the winner in a lot of engagements, having flash on CD dissuades aggression

no class has diversity in LoL are you retarded? every year it's the same fucking shit just 3 champs being spammed constantly. and "bruiser" vs "tank" is about as much diversity as vayne vs cait so i'm not sure what you're trying to get at here

>better positioning and awareness
nice falling back to the old "strategy" argument - what you're saying here is very obvious, you're ok with dissuading conflict and risk taking because you're not ok with getting outplayed when you think you deserve to have the advantage strategically even if you're too bad at video games to follow up and execute properly.
>having flash on CD dissuades aggression
i have flash therefore if things go wrong i can always flash out, might as well take a risk and start fighting him. wow that was really hard to think through all that!

Are you retarded? You see shifts in what's picked. You see junglers like Lee versus ones like jarvan.

Mid lane picks like leblanc versus picks like ryze or corki.

Top lane maokai versus a top laner like riven or Camille.

thats the point. You have no idea what youre talking about. Bot lane is all one class only. No caster, no assassins (except insofar as bullshit right clickers assassinate now), no bruiser, main carry role marksmen every game. No melee either.

Boring ass stale forced meta

>mid lane picks like ranged spammy mage versus picks like other ranged spammy mage
>top lane engage and sustain versus a top lane engage and sustain
wow you're really smart aren't you
tanky and less damage versus squishy and more damage wow such diversity!

Both games' playerbase has become so rotten that the quick matches/allpick are worse than not playing at all.
The days of being able to jump into an unranked game and get anything out of it besides sadness are long gone.

So many clueless foreigners that only know offense, offense, offense and throw a tantrum or ragequit when it doesn't work.

That aside, I think League has become way too rigid in item builds and its group meta. Its almost a formula now that you'll get shit for deviating from in the slightest.

>It's beyond me how people can think pre 7.00 dota is better than LoL but LoL is better than post 7.00 dota.
So you admit that you are fucking retarded then?
7.00 fucked up DOTA because after that we started seeing shit like payed content in the game in the form of Dota Plus which is fucking gay and payed ads for scam gambling sites in the fucking item builds.
Also there was a shit items they added, the shrines, the free shrine heals and the game had so many heroes changed to avoid shit in China.

nah, unranked Dota is chill as fuck, add in modes like Turbo, Ability Draft and custom games like 10v10 and Overthrow and it's super casual now

>le blanc, corki and ryze are the same
>top lane tanks, bruisers, skirmishers and much more is the same

Typical ADC fag you have no clue what youre talking about. Go boot up your dumb stale kiddy game and right click some more people thinking how good you are kid.

>shit items
none
>shrines
are a good addition and have been balanced since 7.00
>avoid shit in china
blame blizzard, retard, china had nothing to do with hero changes

Last 2 games (unranked) I played of dota were fantastic, but I've started to clamber out of the trench.
>nobody abandoned
>nobody talked shit (somefucking how)

lmao this fag hasnt even played league

Heroes of the storm improved on the game that LoL and DotA was.
People who bitched about it being dumbed down couldn't handle not being able to work with their team and just wanted to 1v5 everyone after farming for 40 minutes.
A shame that blizzard gutted it.

>HotSnigger seriously posting
your game is so dogshit Blizzard is axing it
stop posting and stop shilling, dronelet
>NOT dumbed down
ahahahahahah god this 01 IQ retard seriously think this

>nice falling back to the old "strategy" argument
That IS the argument you fucking neanderthal, what is there to fall back on?
My first post here was "helps prevent snowballing and is in general stronger game design that puts more focus on strategy and less on gold power"

>you're ok with dissuading conflict and risk taking
For the third time, strong CC does the opposite of that
>because you're not ok with getting outplayed when you think you deserve to have the advantage strategically even if you're too bad at video games to follow up and execute properly.
So you think strategy isn't skill? You think chess takes no skill then?
Nobody can be this stupid, the strategy and tactics that go into dota are miles deeper and harder than lol's dinky dashes and projectiles that aren't even remotely as mechanically intensive as even the simplest shooters and fighting games

>I have flash therefore if things go wrong i can always flash out, might as well take a risk and start fighting him. wow that was really hard to think through all that!
What, so you're agreeing with me now?
Regardless of WHY you used your flash, whether it was for offense or defense, when it's on cooldown you're dissuaded from fighting because you don't have your extra mobility layer while others do.

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This is satire, right?

League obviously my fellow goyim

>two autists farm botlane for 30 minutes
>muh creepscore
engaging gameplay

only in LoL does that happen

Yeah you are fucking retarded faggot and obviously never played before 7.00.
Also they changed the characters because China. Fucking Skeleton King is because Valvo only gives a shit about money.

Fuck off blizzdrone, we all know Blizzard is why heroes got changed.
>Blizzard vs Valve lawsuit ongoing
>results in Windrunner changed to Windranger, Necrolyte to Necrophos
>Doombringer to Doom
>B-BUT IT WAS CHINA THAT CHANGED SKELETON KING
and yet there was (and still are) censored models for graphic content in China's separate Dota 2 client - including other skeleton heroes and items
>Clinkz
>Pugna
>Lich
OH NO NO NO NO BLIZZDRONE

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League was better when their design philosophy allowed you to OTP your waifu into diamond without fearing "reworks" AKA champion deletion at random.

I have more fun playing LoL with all of its crisp streamlined mechanics, but I'm under the assumption that DOTA is better if you're some big-brain strategist who wants to win by outsmarting his opponents instead of beating them with raw power. As a LoL player, I don't care how smart you are if I can farm up to a six item build, run at you from inside walls at 600movement speed, and proceed to murder you in a second.

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>Also they changed the characters because China. Fucking Skeleton King is because Valvo only gives a shit about money.
SK was changed because of Blizzard, not because of China.

based CHADow assassin

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league is more fun and if you want to play something that isnt for casual, just avoid mobas

Kayn is so fucking fun, I swear to god.

>pay the toll of being a mediocre champ for the first 10 minutes of the game
>get blue form
>all of a sudden fueled with the same sort of homicidal bloodlust that you get when Warwick's blood sense is active as I race around the map looking for victims to delete

I really get into it. It's really different than playing other junglers. When I play tanky junglers I'm more conservative and think about objectives and teamfights, but with Blue Kayn you just wanna 1v9 the game and win by the merit of your allies taking objectives for you since nobody is around to stop them.

dota is better in every single way. i try to get into league every other year because of friends and my gf but it's literally just a skillshot spamfest. the champions literally play out the same and the items are boring as fuck

>ADC role , the main carry role, is all marksmen every game.
Except its not.
>half a season of mages crowding out marksmen
>sona
>taliyah
>neeko
>yasuo
>heimerdinger
>ziggs
>veigar

>8 straight years of forced adc pos 1 bot
>no but people played mages there for a few months before Riot nerfed it out and forced it back into adcs only!!
Five star argument there pal

Half a season that got completely reverted and ant time there is diversity it gets changed shortly after. You forget the AGR of this game and spew your retarded shit while posting supremely short lived off meta picks

Go ahead and look up actual bot lane pick rates

>half a season of mages crowding out marksmen
It was a single, one, singular, (1) PATCH out of almost 10 (TEN) YEARS.

For those who have never played this trashcan game, a patch is barely two weeks.

ADCs are mentally ill egotistical kids who ruin the game. They also have the pro streamer fags on their side who whine any time their pathetic little braindead role gets anything even resembling a nerf or competition.

I literally quit because of the forced garbage meta riot shoves in their games. No variety

>tfw Dota carries are diverse and come with unique playstyles

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>I literally quit because of the forced garbage meta riot shoves in their games. No variety
Yeah, it's easily the worst thing about the game.

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They are so delusional. I love how they lied a year or so ago about wanting "diversity" in the bot lane and at the first sign of it they reverted all their changes and promises and went back to the standards. gods I fucking hate riot.

Nubrac's "roaming support" strategy works

League for when you want to play an actual game with mechanical skill involved, DotA for when you want to do your taxes.

I forget that the entirety of dota is played out in situations where it’s 5v5 on open terrain.
Get your balls out of your purse, grab a smoke like a big boy, get your retard friends, find PA because you actually have map awareness, jump on her, and then chain your stuns so she can’t BKB

Try playing dota sometime it’s a neat game.

this is riots main problem, they force a meta for no reason, just let the community decide the meta. I mean even the pro meta is more interesting than the casual meta, youll see shit like double jungle and lane swaps and all this shit, and yet it gets shit on by the devs in casual play, I don't understand, its like they don't want emergent gameplay.

If bane manages to use his ultimate on you for the full duration AND nightmare it means you’re either pos 1 or 2, and means you either were caught out alone like a retard with no teammates around, or you were fighting a losing fight.

League has some fun champs, like shaco, who can be played in many diverse ways and offer unique playstyles. The problem is, that if you don't play a deathball AoE champ you will just lose all your games because riot continues to force a meta the way that blizzard balances their classes. The day of the assassin will come but it will be in a few months, and then it will be tanks again and then adc and then assassin again, its a joke.

Dota because you don't get your account suspended if you say nigger. Riot is full of faggot cunts and i hope they all get aids.

Its literally because ADC streamers and ADC players will whine and cry

>League for when you want to play an actual game with mechanical skill involved
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This too. I fucking hate these faggot kids and sjws these days.

6.8X basically stripped away most of the reasons I played Dota over LoL, it's now a slightly better game that requires a shitload more effort it's not worth it anymore.

hi blizzdrone samefag

Dota is better in every way except it has way too much rng bullshit

Played LoL after a 5 year hiatus and it seems like so many lane match ups are an automatic loss in the first several minutes because of the champ balance.
Map feels so small to

Never played HoTS, there's zero reason to play any of the assfaggots after Dota became casual trash.

>Wow look at me mom I can land a bunch of point-n-click lock ons and 100-0 perma-CC
>This is so much harder than League, you know it's true because you can do it on 5 characters at once

If you get hit once in DotA, by anything, it's over. By the time a fight starts it's already decided. Russian bots will defend this as "more exciting abilities" but the entire "game" is making sure you get the jump on your enemies.

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Literally the opposite dude, almost all characters in LoL are made of paper because of OP runes and pretty much all non AP items being 100% defense or offense; they have to make all LoL characters exclusively use skillshots for CC because point and click CC on any non-shit champion means you die.

lol, its even worse than that, you can literally get banned for calling people trash or telling them what to do, basically if you run afoul of a fucking premade and they dont like you, enjoy your 4x reports. The best thing you can do when you play league is to disable the ability to chat entirely cause it doesn't help anyone, just /mute all and pretend its a bot game because it basically is

They both fucking suck because you get mentally ill randoms that have brain damage of OFFENSE OFFENSE OFFENSE NO MATTER WHAT! Even if they are behind they still think they have big dicks. Then 50 minutes goes by only to end in a Defeat. Yeah fuck right off.

It's funny how both games handle simple designed heroes. Take Mars for example. On the surface what he does is typical offlaner stuff
>Long duration stun and repositioning tool
>Damage skill
>Some sort of skill that allows him to stay in lane longer
>AoE ultimate that sets up for team fights
But it is what you can do with your team with those skills that is the big kicker. You can reposition someone into a tree for your timbersaw or Treant to wail on them, you can put them into a spot that Mirana's arrow or Pudge's meat hook will hit. His ultimate has too much synergy with heroes to list by the simple fact it locks people into his arena and stops any enemy from attacking anything into the arena.

Meanwhile from I have played in LoL it seems like everyone plays their character that just so happens to lock down and kill a person rather than an actual synergy.

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nah, they changed the game to be chink cafe bullshit where everyone can miss half their abilities and still 100-0 you because you need to make games 25 minutes or shorter so the chinks can be on their way, fuck tencent

>Wow look at me mom I can land a bunch of point-n-click lock ons and 100-0 perma-CC
Oh, so you're blind? Got it

LoL does have synergies but you spend so much of the game isolated from your teammates due to how long laning is+no TP scrolls that it's more important to pick the generically good characters.regardless of how they interact with each other.

the best synergy in league is to pick malphite when you have a yas on your team so he doesn't feed 15 kills and hand you a loss

League because it has Zoe

I want to marry zoe

I don't doubt there is some synergy, I just don't have the same feeling like I do with DOTA. You're right though, the lack of TP scrolls and the only teleport thing is on a high cooldown hurts it. I just think someone like Urgot or Singed should have some follow up other what they themselves can do.

Dotard here what is acdc in LoL?

Either way HoN is better unless Harmon blade imported to Dota

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>Dotard here what is acdc in LoL?
Sniper and Drow, basically. LoL has an entire class that plays like Sniper and Drow and you have to have one on your team every game and it always goes bottom every game.

Basically in LoL items give either attack OR defense and almost never both, so a ADC is a ranged character that builds straight glass cannon and plinks people and both teams have to have one to shoot towers and do damage in fights.

Think of Sniper from DOTA but as an entire class of carry.

adc = attack damage carry but it mostly refers to ranged adcs even though there are melee ones like trynd and yasuo technically

>Games get decided at the 13 minute mark
>posted in an era that clg.eu existed in

Got a fun one ya for you people who played both:
How would your favourite DOTA hero's skills transfer to League? Like for example Undying would definitely be a top tank character, but I can't think what Decay steals since LoL has no equivalent to Strength. I also don't know what his default passive would be.

Fun fact LoL used to label characters as "carries" in their bios if they scaled but they removed it and reclassed it to "Marksman" so people would stop asking them to make having a melee core without a ranged dps viable as the game design would suggest.

Why do people leave games when they change? Dota 2 changed for the better.

No it didn't.

So why is it still the top played game on Steam?

it would be a stacking buff/debuff scaling with your health/ap giving undying a shield based on the stack and limiting the characters max health based on the numbers.

I dont know why some people hate talents. I'm glad my favourite heroes (mostly support/nuker) still able to scale late game.
Shrine also help to expand strategy when t1 or t2 already fall.
And bounty reward roamer / support who can't farm.

the great thing about league is that it has servers all over the world so even though people can play on the US server its not flooded by fucking half wit third worlders (except americans)

Most dota heros can be ported to Lol no problem just make just add a dash and/or shield move and your set

>another asshurt valve cuck thread
Pretty simple.
Ones dead, one isnt.
Ones playerbase is completely filled with russians, seamonkeys, bugmen and eurocucks and the other actually has players in the first world.
One has clear P2W aspects such as fundamental information being locked behind a subscription and paid map reskins that give a visual advantage and the other doesnt.
One was designed by a retard that had nothing to do with DotA All Stars, the other had Guinsoo on the development team.
One has unique characters, the other ripped everything from Warcraft 3.
One reuses the same particle effects for multiple different characters, the other has every character being unique in style and design.
One has like 6 centaur/horseback characters that look identical, the other has 3 that are completely unique and distinct from another.
One copied the controls from its source game, making it a carbon clone with no effort put into improving the control system, the other didnt.
One is "secured" by VAC, meaning that anybody with $3 can use Ensage.io for a week and completely fucking destroy the game and receive no bans at all, the other has eliminated cheats and scripts entirely.

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0/10

Dont make me post the pasta, chink

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>your

>account trading/buying still rampant in dota, despite clearly being against steam subscriber agreement
>win trading still prevalent in league at high levels, even big streamers/pros participate at times
currently neither, because unfortunately people are crybabies who don't like losing and have to literally pay to win nevermind league is ALREADY p2w

>Shrine also help to expand strategy when t1 or t2 already fall.
Shrines are fine now, but when 7.00 first hit there were a bunch in each base and that was fucking terrible.
Most people bitching about shrines just played base 7.00 and haven't even read updates since then.

>league is already pay2win
What fundamental gameplay features does League lock behind a monthly subscription paywall?
Where are Leagues paid map skins that give a clear visual advantage to the player that brought it?
Feel free to cry to me about how the choice to buy champions is the same though, you cant get DotA Plus or Immortal Gardens through gameplay :)

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immortal gardens cannot be paid for anymore, ti6 compendium exclusive. but yeah, clearly helps players find jukespots.
also the amount of time it takes to grind out enough blue essence to buy ONE expensive champion is so absolutely ludicrous at higher levels that you may as well just cave and use RP, which is EXACTLY the business model that riot follows. Thankfully the meta is stagnant and narrow enough that you only need a few select heroes for each season, so at the start of a new one you can just smurf and get all the BE you need because it's so easy to level up.

also see image

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>dota
>heros are free
>league
>have to grind for heros or buy them

>dota
>you have to pay a monthly subscription to to unlock all game modes and the full game

>also the amount of time it takes to grind out enough blue essence to buy ONE expensive champion is so absolutely ludicrous at higher levels that you may as well just cave and use RP, which is EXACTLY the business model that riot follows.
Except it isnt, every patch brings a new event which has missions which you can use to gain an insane amount of Blue Essence.
Sure, its not available anymore. But for anybody that still paid for it, they got a Pay2Win advantage which they'll keep forever.
>also see image
>Can you buy unlocks with cash?
>Do the unlocks change how you play the game?
Thank you for confirmed DotA2 is Pay2Win with Immortal Gardens and Dota Plus.
>league
>all gameplay systems are free, there are no paid map skins that give a clear advantage to paying players
>dota
>you have to pay $3 a month to get death recaps, post-game analytics and you can pick your role before you queue
>you can also pay for a map skin that gives you clear visual advantages over non-paying players
>you cannot earn either through gameplay at all

>Meanwhile from I have played in LoL it seems like everyone plays their character that just so happens to lock down and kill a person rather than an actual synergy.

If you want to climb in solo queue you pretty much have to choose champions that can do a lot of damage and get good with them so you can carry. It'd dangerous to trust your teammates in league solo queue and go a CC based tank that requires synergy because you don't know if they are any good and can follow up. I think League needs voice comms really bad, it would make solo queueu so so so much better

>all gameplay systems are free
This is a straight up lie though, it's the #1 known difference between the two games. Do you really think anyone's going to fall for this?

Champions aren't actually systems.

I miss when Yea Forums wasn't filled with so many zoomers that this discussion was simply "Dota, no shit".

>B-BUT 7.00
Has been good since like 7.06. 7.22 is unironically one of the best metas the game has had since 6.88.
>B-BUT VALVE IS SHIT NOW
Doesn't change anything. Dota may only get 2 heroes a year, but all the new heroes besides Monkey King have all been homeruns.
>B-BUT SHRINES AND TALENTSSSS
Again, were shit when 7.00 hit but have long since been ironed out.

Dota has been a god tier game for nearly 13 years now. It's a shame Yea Forums has such a hateboner for it, mostly Starcraft 2 fags still salty their shit game was blown the fuck out.

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>ADCs are broken as fuck in lol
Not anymore.

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>This is a straight up lie though
What gameplay system is locked behind a paywall in League? What do i get when i sign up for League+ for $3 a month?
An actual paywall please, Champions are completely free.

Says more about how boring League's champion designs are than anything else really.

>still required in every game
>they r shit tho

>says more about how bring League's champion designs are than anything else really
Im sorry, how many Centaurs does DotA2 have? How about people riding horseback? Luna and Mirana are fucking identical.
What about all those characters that are BLACK, RED AND ANGRY? You've got at least 5 of them.
What happened to Skeleton King? Did he get removed because of the chinks or because DotA2 literally stole all of its characters from Warcraft?

Typical Leaguefag thinking, only caring about the designs of the heroes and not the abilities.
And besides it's fucking hilarious you're talking like that considering League is notorious for how much it reuses designs. The majority of the cast are either beefy brown haired men or cute petite girls. Sometimes they'll throw you a bone with a furry midget or a Void Bug.

the "Valve is shit" argument is actually for just about every other game they have in their lineup.
>TF2 hasnt had shit in almost 2 years with nothing on the horizon
>CSGO heading down TF2's path even more as time goes on
>Left 4 Dead living up to its name
>Half-Life on a perpetual cliffhanger
>Day of Defeat forgotten about entirely
>putting just about all their eggs in the VR basket

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Yeah all things considered the Dota 2 team is the only thing at Valve not crashing and burning. Not surprising though considering the only members left on the team are probably Icefrog and the Valve Office Janitor.

from what I remember Dota 2 also has Robin Walker, the brain behind Team Fortress.
Most of the company is more than likely working on VR though.

>how much it resuses designs
Yet every character is completely unique in design, feel free to tell me how Doom, Shadow Fiend and Shadow Demon are unique. You literally have characters named fucking Shadow Fiend and Shadow Demon.
Even with skins of the same theme, all of these characters are still completely unique. DotA2 Cosmetics make a shit situation 100x worse.

dota 2 if you own a fedora

League of legends if you have autism

Is this even a fair fight? League has Yordles. End of discussion.

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Alright you're either retarded or trolling. I hope to god for your sake it's the latter. Otherwise trying to argue with you is pointless.

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Wow, you really showed me by posting art of one character without comparing it to the others instead of in game models.
People that wear fedoras tend to have autism, though.

Dota uses class/titles as hero names so they often end up sounding similar. Shadow Fiend is a spooky soul-obsessed serial killer demon. Shadow Demon is a powerful sorcerer demon. Shadow Shaman is a weird trickster shaman dude.

More. Tristana is still hotter

This is the only legitimate point and its a damn good one

Why the fuck would you have 3 characters in your name have titles that start with the same word? Not even riot would do this.

Do you seriously think anyone's gonna fall for something like this?

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I have no fucking clue why they did that because every hero has both a name and a title just like LoL. LoL doing it was basing it off the DotA system where each hero had a name and then a "class" name, both of which were displayed on the HUD. For Dota 2 they picked one or the other, and seemed to make some pretty bad choices because a lot of the titles are too similar and they should have chosen the name for some of them.

Riki's title is "Stealth Assassin" so at least they didn't pick that one, it could be worse

ffyi in order to be pay2win,you actually need to have an advantage when buying the champion.
There is no advantage when you play like dogshit once buying it since its your first time.
Think of it like Warframe

Except they arent, they also arent locked behind a paywall.
You can get champions through Gameplay, you cant get Immortal Gardens or Dota Plus through Gameplay.

>These Leaguefags defending League's paywall for Champions
Jesus fucking christ what happened to Yea Forums.

>paywall
I never paid a cent for League and have all champions though.
Can i get Dota Plus through gameplay? How about Immortal Gardens?

They're both dead.

>you cant get Immortal Gardens or Dota Plus through Gameplay.
Because they don't affect gameplay. Champions do.
Nobody's going to fall for you defending a company locking the actual core gameplay content behind a grind/pay and saying it's worse that another company does it for pure cosmetics. Be more subtle next time.

They literally aren't systems. Rather, they're not systems individually but are as a concept. And everyone has access to champions.

>Because they don't affect gameplay.
Except they do
Immortal Gardens gives a clear visual advantage to the player using it, remodeling the trees to make juke paths very clearly visible and toning down the DIRE BLACK AND RED RADIANT GREEN AND BROWN aspects of the map that make certain characters and abilities blend in to the background. Dota Plus locks the Death Summary, Post-Game Analytics and the ability to queue for the role that you want behind a monthly subscription. They very clearly affect gameplay and are available only by paying what was $15 for the base Battle Pass and however many points you needed to get to the level where it unlocked and $3 a month.
You never have to pay for champions, you can choose to do so but you never have to do it at all.

You can get analytics the same analytics as dota plus, from opendota and overlay.
League also has grinding for in-game advantages that transfer between games that can be bought for cash.

Yet you cant get the special Dota Plus only queue that gives you an advantage over non-paying players.
>League also has grinding for in-game advantages that transfer between games that can be bought for cash.
Such as?

Dota's the game of the intellectual sadist, for you see I can pick meepo, techies or tinker and proceed to torture 9 people at the same time.
And the best part? I will be able to do this for hours, and if at any point they wish to stop this torture they'll get punished by valve.
Amazingly devilish!

Fucking kek. There are so many things that counter PA.

Everyone who plays LoL gave Dota 2 a try and played a couple games, admired the graphics and then uninstalled because the turn rate makes the game feel way less responsive than LoL.

Everyone who plays Dota 2 tried Lol but uninstalled because they didn't want to learn new characters or items.

>play LoL
>everyone is Chinese
>play DotA
>everyone is Peruvian

I sure love my North American servers, haha.

Your race is weak.

Imagine being this retarded.
>bane
>enigma
>vengeful spirit
>viper
>axe
>dragonknight
>omniknight
>pudge
>doom
>beastmaster
All have the ability to fuck over PA at almost every stage of the game.

Runes, masteries, unlockable characters.

>runes, masteries
defunct as of late 2017, where the 2 were merged into a singular system called Runes Reforged, which you can't spend IP/BE on. You can also changed them while in champion select so there isn't actually a need for rune pages.

>LoL melee characters
>all have gap closer (except for Yorick, who has two slows) because otherwise ranged characters would indefinitely kite them with 0 turn rate
>DotA melee characters
>aren't guaranteed to have a gap closer because turn rates make kiting difficult

Is there any League pro moment as iconic as the fountain hook, alliance's rat victory, 6 million dollar echo slam or the call that saved the french?

Genuine question, I love the hype moments in these games.

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everyone uninstalled LoL because it's dogshit

>Blitzcrank
>Cho'Gath
>Darius
>Illaoi
>Jayce
>Mordekaiser
>Nasus
>Olaf
>Rumble
>Shyvana
>Singed
>Sion
>Skarner
>Tahm Kench
>Taric
>Trundle
>Udyr
>Volibear
>Yorick

league's ~esport~ and tournament scene is a really boring thing to watch since it's mostly all top-end korean robots performing perfect repetitions of what is objectively the best possible farming gameplay

there's some good shitposting in the early years of league's tournaments where you could see all chat between teams, mostly from american teams making fun of the korean robots

but league really has no room for ballsy or interesting plays or strategies when koreans are deeply seated in the meta, they legitimately play like chess robots and cannot be taken by surprise or tilted out of a game through wild and wacky strategies. it's largely why i quit the game so many years ago, NA's diamond elo is (or was) a victim of all this as well

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But this year's Mid-Season Invitational was an NA vs EU final

might want to look at the nationality of players on either team

NA's Diamond+ Elo was a victim of Dynamic Queue. That shit put a sword right through the chest. It never recovered from it.

Also the meta has loosened up a fair bit, and the game itself is way more aggro of late because of changes to vision that make it much harder to track opponents.

DotA

none but jayce are carries
jayce is ranged

DotA 2 at launch. Having said that, League was always shit, so even the new shitty DotA 2 version must be better than it.

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I mean, sure
G2:
>Denmark
>Poland
>Denmark
>Croatia
>Slovenia
TL:
>Korea
>America
>Denmark
>America
>Korea

All Eu team vs mix of eu na and a korean guy in NA it was 8/10 whites and 9/10 born in the west

Now which one has the better autochess? I know both are cash grabs but surely one is better than the other.

>Posts says all but one melee champion have gapclosers
>List all the melee champions without gapclosers
>YEAH BUH THEY'RE NOT CARRIES
user.

unpicked heroes are still unpicked heroes son

>Runes
Wrong
>Masteries
Wrong
>Unlockable Characters
Earned through gameplay and entirely situational.

The Way they play now is snowballing early game agro so its actually realy fun to watch, you have no idea what youre talking about th ekoreans havent been doing well for a while now its mostly chinks plus now eu is coming into spotlight

Thats why its 100x more alive than DotA2, right?

Objectively wrong, they can easily get shit on by assassins or a brawler/tank with a gap closer.

>isn't pay to win.
>Haven't spent a single penny on champs
>free champs are still viable and with the new leveling system getting new champs is much much quicker.

Yeah nah.

nuDota basically took everything bad from League and HotS and added it into the game, but faggots like it because it's more "complex" - despite claiming HotS was shit for the same reasons when it came out. Ironic.
Anyway, nuDota is absolute cancer.
>most people that care play about ebin 500 euro skins
>they completely changed the ui, map, and mechanics to pander to casuals
>you can't even enjoy the game to the fullest because tons of shit is now locked behind a paywall with their shitty compendium
If you are a casual, there is literally NO reason to play nuDota. NONE. The community is absolutely abysmal, and if you're bad they're going to mass report you until you get put into low priority just for being bad, since Valve doesn't review anything. No cute waifus either, and as I've said, certain skins can be extremely expensive if you're into the aesthetics of your characters. Only upside is having every hero free, but assuming you intend to main just one hero you like, this won't matter much.
nuDOTA is for two types of people:
>serious players that are willing to put hours an hours and hours into the game and finding the right people to play with and communicate
>whales that want to give gaben $1000 for a 50 cent toy roshan
That is it. If you're a casual you can play:
>smite, if you prefer the 3rd person camera and movement (also many lewd skins)
>league, if you're a meganormie that just wants an easy game to play with friends and even girls
>hots, if you're a complete pervert,a blizzdrone, or someone that wants a game that's all about the action with almost no early game

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you mean it's dying 100x faster than Dota

What mechanics are you referring to? The only thing I can think of is shrines and talents, which are both HoTS things and not LoL things. Plus if you are the type of person to main one hero that's your fault since the game encourages you to play multiple heroes because no hero is the best for all situation.

kukulkan players should be banned from playing ranked, hs is so shit theres no reason to play him over poseidon or any decent mid

>Make a champion that can roam across the map with speed of sound while invisible
>Immune to poke
>Literally an assassin
>Call him a support
And then when pro players start playing him on other lanes riot suddenly reeeees and nerfs all his kit because "reee not intended to be assassin!!!!"
Fuck league balance team, once the players start getting creative they remove the entire fun immidiately

>Warwick's blood sense is active
>Get mobis
>Use Predator
>Literally just run across the map at the speed of light and ult from the middle of river on that one champ farming alone top lane.

WW is honestly super satisfying to play as a jungle. Great jungle sustain, great team fight sustain, great lockdown on carries.

Again, that wasn't the argument. You can't just make unrelated points to try and detract from the point that not all melee champs have gapclosers

>The only thing I can think of is shrines and talents, which are both HoTS things and not LoL things.
When did I say otherwise?
>Plus if you are the type of person to main one hero that's your fault since the game encourages you to play multiple heroes because no hero is the best for all situation
Your point? I literally said in my post that a serious player should stick to nuDota, and that casuals have much better options in literally anything else.

Is the top lane in League still as shit as ever?

i miss 2009 league, it was fun

Wouldn't a casual player be more open to playing what they feel like in the current moment rather than sticking and refining their skills exclusively to one character?

Not once have i payed money for a champ. I now have every champ in game after 3 years of playing and not once did I feel like i was at a disadvantage for not having "this" champ at any given time during those 3 years.

Cry more please.

>Wouldn't a casual player be more open to playing what they feel like in the current moment
No, this literally never happens. They might have 2-3 characters at most, which is why shitters in Dota are all always picking mid heroes. It's almost like you don't play mobas.

LoL was great around season one.

In what regard? Its pretty much still a 1v1 minion farming fest with a few skirmishes here and there until either jungle decides to come in for ganks. Also tanks/brawlers still pretty much dominate top lane with very few exceptions.

>triggered blizzdrone
pfft ahahaha

About what exactly would I be triggered? I haven't bought a Blizzard game in 13 years, and I played Dota 2 since the closed beta and loved it. Are you retarded? Unless you're saying that I am a Blizzdrone for saying League is for casuals, in which case kill yourself.

Nothing I said was wrong dumb fuck they are required in basically every single game. If they were as shit as you retards say there would be some diversity. But there isnt.

Incorrect, also, DotA2 has always been dead.

I do, it's just I am looking at it in the broadest sense and what I do when I play any type of game casually, like a kart racer or something like that.

Not him, but that's because they have balanced the game in mind with that. If they didn't, there could be opportunities where the counter to a particular pick may be locked to the team. I can complain about League balancing all I want, but I can commend them for never running into that problem when it could happen easily by accident.

Half those characters have gap closers

Ok, so let's see for lol
>Unlock system
Yes, champions
>Can you buy them with cash?
Ofc
>Do the unlocks change how to play the game?
Obviously, especially new champions that are even more expensive on start with in-game currency

League is pay2win

Dont forget purposefully release them as overpowered as possible to boost sales. Its even more blatant than the arcana shit in dota

7.00 is the best thing that happened to Dota though. Games are much faster and supports have more impact. Whiners just can’t adapt to new shit.

Literally none of them have what is typically defined as a gap closer.

>What is blink dagger

>Can you buy unlocks with cash?
>Do the unlocks change how you play the game?
Thank you for confirmed DotA2 is Pay2Win with Immortal Gardens and Dota Plus.
The last two champions released were ridiculously underpowered, though.

I was initially hesitant on talents until they refined them to have actual impact on the play style of certain heroes. Seriously, shit like Dazzle and Undying's talent trees are nuts.

>Whiners just can’t adapt to new shit.
Yes, I should love it when a game I play changes overnight into something else. I would love it if a midget snuck into my garage at night to magically replace the rulesets and pieces in my board games and "update them" too.
This is just such a retarded argument. I don't care that you think it's better. I wouldn't care even if it were OBJECTIVELY better. When you're used to something, you want that thing. This is the same issue as it was with Vanilla vs NuWoW. Sooner or later, people are going to want to play the original DotA they had before they turned it into an easy-access cashcow.

Something that isn't required on all heroes? The only ones that really need it are initiators, everyone else has skills that don't require mobility.

No, the final was EU Vs Korea
That "final" you speak off was just a public humiliation

Most have ways of closing the gap through forced movement dont they? also shyvana and illaoi have jumps.

League is for casul babies that appeals to most players. Dota if you dont have a life.

ranked roles is the only one you could make a case for pay2win though. Immortal gardens map showing juke patterns in the trees is basically nothing.

>And everyone has access to champions.
If you have to unlock them, which you do, that's false.
Please kill yourself

I am addicted to dota so dota
there's just such a good feeling after a good match, like everyone put their soul into it

Nice projecting. I downloaded League back in 2013 because some friends wanted to try it out. We had played Dota/Dota 2 for like 7 years at that point and dropped League within a few months. It was just boring.

Of course both lol and Dota are pay to win. The big companies want it to make it pay to win to make more money off it.
Name me one single popular free game that isn't pay to win.

Something that isn't bought by anything close to every melee hero and costs 2250 gold and eats up an item slot with zero stats

qiyana, Yuumi, Sylas, Neeko, Pyke, Kai'sai
Those are the most recently released characters all of them where strong at release and still are strong. The only case you have is with Yuumi but thats because Lolbabs are too stupid to use her properly.

>a clear visual advantage over a non-paying player
>basically nothing
Okay shill

Every str carry needs one, Ursa, Sven, (LC), wraith king and so on.
Else you would have exactly the same problem as with juggernauts in lol where everyone will kite you forever
Except blink is 10x more broken than flash

warframe
it's shit for other reasons though

>a clear visual advantage over a non-paying player
Wrong.

>Quiyana
>Strong
>Yuumi
>Strong
>Sylas
>Strong

Nah get good 2k scrub. I can understand people who whine about the early shrines and UI change but gameplay wise game got better.

see
Very clearly an advantage

All of them are borderline broken, they just require a certain skill that you cannot find in your normal shitter games

If you're going for the most broad "I have closed the gap between me and my opponent" definition then sure, but gap closers are typically defined as dashes/blinks. Shyvana I'll give you but I put her in there because it's her ult which she doesn't consistently have access to in her regular spell rotation. Illaoi's "jump" is piss poor. It's literally just giving her next basic attack 350 range.
>if you have to unlock them, which you do, that's false
Again, champions individually aren't systems. The concept of picking from a pool of characters and using their various abilities doesn't and "having all champions" isn't mutually inclusive. There's always a number of champions you have access to when you queue for a game. Not having a specific champion doesn't change this.

>Else you would have exactly the same problem as with juggernauts in lol where everyone will kite you forever
And here's where we learn you have no clue what you're talking about and are just pulling shit out of your ass. Blink dagger goes on a short cooldown when you take damage so you can't use it to escape or jump on someone who's kiting you.

Fuck off, you're just bullshitting.

You can see it just as well with the regular trees you fucking mouthbreather. They're all placed on a grid.

Both are fucking terrible, but at least League has Yordles.

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Every 450ip champion is 100x more broken, guess you're just dogshit and will never see plays that high level :)

You stupid fuck. Visual advantage in the trees doesnt give you good positioning, teamwork and itemization. Also immortal gardens fuck some of the trees and if you play timbersaw the map fucks you up.

What does this have to do with gitgud? Are you honestly a 12 yo retard? It's about playing what I want to play and not what a megacorp wants to shove down my throat.

7.22 is a god tier patch. Dota is in a great place. Amazing for a game that's 13 years old.

Are you retarded or just pretending? As a juggenaut in lol the issue is to get on somebody because after that you have your own ways to deal with it but you can't because you will get kited before you can reach the target
Blink dagger removes that issue. It's like Ursa, he can't do shit but when you blink on somebody you have your slow, abyssal and so on and one engage is just enough.

Abaddon, Beastmaster (No one plays him so fair), Bristleback, Chaos Knight, Clockwork, Dragon Knight, Kunkka, Lifestealer, Lycan, Nightstalker, Spirit Breaker and Underlord don't need it. I only counted the melee ones. Some have a gap closer, fair, but some of these don't have that.

Besides that, no it isn't more broken than flash. Whereas flash is mainly used as an escape tool because of the high cooldown, Blink is used an initiation tool because of the "get hurt and it gets set onto cooldown" mechanic. Meaning that Blink dagger is more of a risk/reward item that gives you nothing but the chance to close the gap on a target that is not attacking you and nothing else. Flash is a jail free card that forces people to play passively to not waste it.

Wrong
How do champions give you good positioning, teamwork and itemization?
Dota Plus also does give you good itemization, and its $3 a month :)

>Wrong
Wrong

Who, Ashe, Annie or Garen? :)

Ursa is supposed to be the 1v1 king but can't do much a whole lot more if there are more people near by. Even with blink, there is a reason why Viper who is the kiting king is considered a good counter to the bear.

I'm not seeing the issue. It costs a ton of gold and wastes an item slot, and getting blinked on isn't a death sentence.

You’re actualy retarded where did this mega corp shoving down your throat come from? Game is better that’s a fact, nobody is forcing you to play the game and everything is free. Go cry me a river.

Sivir is literally the top tier adc right now

Yes because half of the listed heroes have their own gapclosers.
Other half have mechanics that allow them to stay on target pretty easy, something juggernauts in lol don't have

Dota plus item/hero guide is garbage though. People but it for the rankroles at least usefull for low mmr.

All of them :)
>Wrong
Wrong

>Getting blinked on by red Sven with Daedalus isn't death sentence

>i-i-i-its bad though!
Ok shill, doesnt change the fact that Valve designed it to be a way for paying players to have an advantage.

>what is ghost scepter
>what is bkb
>what are wards and map awareness
I want shitters to stop thinking they can criticize games they have no clue how to play properly

What about other 90% of the Meta roaster that is locked behind 6300ip/each paywall?

I know you're just trolling but making a helper training tool a premium features is infinitely less shitty than locking the game's actual playable characters behind a multi-year grind/paywall. There is no defending that.

You just lost 3 years unlocking all the champs.

Don't forget league has that "pro view" thingy now too, so it's just a matter of time till we get same lol plus shit.
After lootbox ban companies will want more and more subscriptions going on

From the fact that I spent hours learning a game that no longer exists for arbitrary reasons? And yes, Valve is a megacorp that does whatever it wants in order to get more cash, which is why they have so many frequent nonsensical updates and all this compendium trash. You are quite frankly a spineless cocksucker, but that's okay, Dotards usually are.

>From the fact that I spent hours learning a game that no longer exists for arbitrary reasons?
Everything you leaned still exists. All they did is add some stuff. You are fucked in the head

Dota is GOAT and League is garbage. Why are we even having an argument?

Yes, Dota, not Dota 2 which is soulless trash

>having a system inside of the game to give paying players clear advantages over non-paying players is better than a system that allows players to play the game to unlock content
>you're just trolling
>there is no defending that
>multi-year grind
Listen to what you're saying shill, good fucking god.
>so it's just a matter of time till we get same lol plus shit.
Never going to happen
Because you're delusional enough to actually believe that, and you need to keep spamming threads to keep the delusion going despite only retards and shills agreeing with you.

This is my first post though nice try lolbaby.

Well let's see user, we'll go through the top 5 highest pickrates per role
Top:
>Mordekaiser(1350)
>Aatrox(6300)
>Riven(4800)
>Darius(4800)
>Renekton(4800)
Jungle:
>Lee Sin(4800)
>Kayn(6300)
>Jarvan IV(4800)
>Sejuani(4800)
>Hecarim(4800)
Mid:
>Yasuo(6300)
>Zed(4800)
>Ahri(4800)
>Katarina(3150)
>Talon(4800)
ADC:
>Sivir(450)
>Jinx(6300)
>Xayah(6300)
>Draven(4800)
>Vayne(4800)
Support:
>Lux(3150)
>Janna(1350)
>Nami(4800)
>Nautilus(4800)
>Thresh(4800)
So of these 25 champions, 5 of them cost 6300. Bit of a far cry from 90% but whatever I guess.

>having a system inside of the game to give paying players clear advantages over non-paying players
There is none.

>Everything you learned still exists
Except it literally doesn't? Lmao. The map is different. Heroes have been changed. The UI is changed.

Dota Plus.

Doesn't give an advantage.

Immortal gardens rapes fps even 1080s can't cope with it. The juke path only applies to like 5% of the entire map and you are not going to be playing at radiant top tier 1 for more than 30 seconds of the entire game. Dota plus is a meme, there are free online analytics that you can look up and you are basically paying for convenience and cosmetics.

>which is better
>a shit or a turd
The games became unfun a long time ago. The hard-role meta really killed the enjoyment the game could've had

League also shitted Jax's lore too many times and anyone that uses any skin that isn't the og model is a turbo faggot

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>The map is different.
Barely, and you get used to the new layout after like three matches.
>Heroes have been changed.
No more than they ever have before 7.00. Characters change in live games like this.
>The UI is changed.
Has zero effect on gameplay.

tldr you're retarded

Viper counters any character that relies on a passive to do damage due to having an innate break. Kiting isnt the main issue when he spits a pool on the ground and man fights you

Because it's free and south americans, slavs and chinks are addicted.

>Barely, and you get used to the new layout after like three matches.
I don't want to get used to it. I want to play the game I always played. Are you, again, retarded?
>Characters change in live games like this.
Damn, I guess I should accept a game being shit, and loot boxes on top of that in the future. Why not? IT's a live game, after all :)
>Has zero effect on gameplay.
It literally does because I am uncomfortable with the new one.
As I said, you are just a consumerist whore.

Yes, it does
(See "Plus Assistant")
>The game runs like shit that means it doesnt count
Doesnt change the fact that Valve implemented a paid map reskin that gives an advantage over non-paying players.
>It only applies to a low % of the map.
Doesnt change the fact that Valve implemented a paid map reskin that gives an advantage over non-paying players.
>Dota Plus doesnt matter because there are free alternatives
Doesnt change the fact that Valve implemented a system within the game that gives paying players clear advantages over non-paying players.
Keep crying about how it isnt Pay2Win though, im sure you'll convince yourself eventually.

Come back to me when you have free alternatives to earning champions without putting in time and effort.

>without putting in time and effort
Why would there be?

You get all heroes free in dota 2 without putting in time and effort.
based retard, you may want to play old versions but you don't have anyone to play with anyway.

4800 is still a lot

>based retard, you may want to play old versions but you don't have anyone to play with anyway.
That's wrong again, which is easily shown by the fact that people always want old versions of "live" games, and why new versions of even tabletops don't bring around all the players.

The post was a reply stating that 90% of meta champions were 6300 in price, and I refuted that. I'm not here to argue whether 4800 is expensive or not.

Yet you dont get Dota Plus without paying, so someone without Dota Plus playing the game as it is without any external assistance is at a disadvantage.

back to dota allstars with you
Analytics have always existed before dota plus. I don't see how Valve integrating a feature into their client as a paid addition gives people an advantage when the same feature has always been a mainstay in the dota community.

>back to dota allstars with you
Nice to see you have no arguments. Keep taking Gaben's cock deep down your soft throat, pussy.

>midwars
>shadowblade
>harkon's
>int form
>crit blade
onehitting fuckers all day long, it was glorious

What? If people want to play old unsupported shit there's always a way. Like your RPG analogy, no one's stopping you from playing 4E over 5E

Yes anything that closes the gap is a gap closer Illaois jump matters when she can also slow you to a crawl

>Like your RPG analogy, no one's stopping you from playing 4E over 5E
Except there is, since you have to find another way to connect outside of Steam instead of Valve just offering it as is normal. And that was never the point, so why move goalposts?

what's your point brainlet

Were these analytics in the game? and to the detail that Dota Plus has them right now? If not, its very clearly an advantage a paying player has over a non-paying player.
Doesnt matter if the information is available elsewhere, it matters that as the game is now, a paying player has advantages over non-paying players which makes it Pay2Win.
If people wanted to go outside the game for advantages, why wouldnt they just go to ensage.io and pay $3 a week for scripts that completely destroy the game?

So if League integrated Probuilds and put it behind a paywall would you call it a pay2win feature?

Yes

This shit is not a gap closer, it will not actually get you onto an enemy that sits outside of your normal range.

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My point is that Valve should make every version available for online play just as it was. If they're so confident people will play nuDota, then it's no problem.

imagine needing to see sexy girls in order to enjoy a game, i cannot imagine being that fucking shallow

There's nothing stopping players from using old versions and putting them onto the arcade, is there?

Thats about the same distance as lucians dash so im sure that isnt a gap closer either

Even if the site is still running free of charge?

Dota giving you free heroes just doesnt feel right. In lol I feel like I deserved everyone of them after grinding well.

It is a completely gimped version.

How's it gimped?

It is actually shorter than Lucian's dash.
>Illaoi w increases her next basic attack's range by 225, bringing it to 350
>Lucian's dash length is 425

Yes, as it would be a clear move from Riot to give paying players an advantage over non-paying players. This isnt hard to comprehend.
The problem with Dota Plus is that its not just builds, its a whole suite of information.

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