MGSV

>MC is a Blank Slate
People understand this intuitively. The act of pointing it out came at the expense of the storyline's credibility.

What little we got of the story in MGSV was so terrible and uninteresting that I had no desire whatsoever to "fill in the blanks." Fuck Kojima

>and that's why Big Boss's heel turn happens off screen
Huh? Venom's arc is completed with the Truth mission and his acceptance of his Big Boss role. There's no real "heel turn" to see from Big Boss himself, though. Peace Walker more or less already did that.

MGS2 ends on the same exact cliffhanger, if I remember correctly you dont even have to play the rehashed missions with added difficulty. Kojima would definitely flesh out the game more, but that doesnt mean its unfinished. You would get the same story. Every game has things cut, doesnt make it unfinished.

>He means that you create your own story by having unique gameplay encounters and how you react to everything is how the protagonist reacts, you fucking autist.
That's what you think, you fucking autist. I know for sure that what you think is not what Kojima thinks, and you don't even know what and even how Kojima thinks.

You're just guessing bullshit statements and making them as if they were facts. In fact, you're probably even doing so to justify how you're an angsty faggot that wants to be selfishly spoonfed a constant buttload load of five star stories with cherries on top, with said cherries being the unimportant, unnecessary crap of the lore, especially when it comes to Big Boss and "his' descent into madness!!!!!1" despite that Snake Eater was enough to complete Metal Gear as a whole, while also providing everything you need to know about Big Boss and his downfall.

God, I hate morons like you.

>Dude the game has a story if you just pretend it does

>MGS fans
>legitimately worse than bronies and Sonic fans
Does this mean that we get to come out and play soon?

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Sorry user, but I really dont fit this narrative that you consctructed about me. You sperging out only confirmed that you are a massive autist and hypocrite at that.

MGS2 is a pretty different case. I understand the comparison but it's not really a fair one. MGSV is structured and written in a completely different way, such that the absence of Kingdom of the Flies is weird and clumsy in a way that MGS2's ending is not.

This is the problem. People like think that a story has to be automatically provided to them whenever they are presented entertainment. They refuse to chip in and help the story come to fruition. If there is no story, apparently you can't make one up because only the author can according to those people.

The concept of the typical delivery of entertainment, plus the recent concept of "canon" are sadly and unsuprisingly responsible for this.

Its definitely badly paced and the presence of Kingdom of the Flies would make it alot better, but it doesnt change the story. You know what happens after, so its not much of a cliffhanger either. Its not like the series ends there.

>You know what happens after, so its not much of a cliffhanger either.
I agree with that, but it's still an odd thing for the game to exclude. I don't think its absence hurts the game all that much (the game has bigger issues), but the comparison to MGS2 isn't the right one.

The only influence on the story in MGSV that the player has is the fates of the various NPCs we're given the option to assassinate. Thing is though....why should we care about these random ass NPCs? They are literally replaceable, if we killed them the first go around we can capture them the second time through, its hard to feel any investment in what are essentially disposable commodities.

Such an approach still doesn't work in a narrative driven series like MGS and is difficult to accomplish in an open world non-linear game

I actually dig V's metanarrative especially in regards to nukes. I still hate the vocal cord parasites. Almost everything to do with language as a theme felt forced and didn't jive enough with the revenge story.

Every single game after MGS3 is absolutely trite Big Boss apologetics.

How am I a fucking sperging hypocrite, you triple nigger? I was rightly proving how much of an ass you are, like every other Metal Gear fanboy. Nothing that I said in my post contradicted what I said "earlier", and in fact, that post is my first in this thread, so you're being the sperg here for assuming I was anybody else.

>tricked us all into thinking we were getting a hardcore revenge story "you're an angsty faggot that wants to be selfishly spoonfed a constant buttload load of five star stories with cherries on top"

>and a wider look into Big Boss' decent into madness; ultimately we received neither. "Snake Eater is enough to complete Metal Gear as a whole"
>"Snake Eater also providing everything you need to know about Big Boss and his downfall."
Misinterpret my posts one more time like a braindead ESL kid and consider my responses to you over.

>There's no real "heel turn" to see from Big Boss himself
There should be since character progression off-screen is always unsatisfying
>Peace Walker more or less already did that.
When does Big Boss do anything morally questionable in that game?

>Venom Snake making the story truly theirs, and not necessarily restricted to the fate of Big Boss in the early games.
Nigga, the game ends explaining that Venom dies instead of BB during the first MG1. Nothing really changed and self inserting as the medic doesn't go anywhere because as a character he already a background (medic and best of his unit) and his destiny is set on stone.

>consider my responses to you over.
please spare me your schizoid rants

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>The only influence on the story in MGSV that the player has
You can also choose to disarm FOB nukes, hoard them, or do nothing about them at all. How long has it been since you played V, to be curious?

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This guy understands perfectly. Kind of checkmates MGSV's ambitions.

Yeah, Big Boss really hijacked the series in a terrible way, which is one of the many reasons that Rising was such a breath of fresh air for me.

To be fair that only affects your ability to counterattack FOBs and makes Venom walk around with a horn and strawberry jam on his face.

Almost four years, I didn't really dabble too much in the FOBs and I had forgotten about the nukes.

>he already a background
Dude, what?

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>but I think what we got is a lot more true to the character than Big Boss
I don't know. The whole idea behind the fake BB wasn't even his idea, it was from Zero and Ocelot created the plan of using Venom while the real BB was doing other stuff.

A lot of people call BB warmonger but his actions are really tame most of the time. He left USA, teaching his techniques in other armies, fough as a mercenary and eventually created a mini PMC, which wouldn't be relevant if it wasn't for Kaz making a deal with Zero. And even after that he still saved the world again. BB explains Kaz that creating a PMC is only going to blow in their faces (which eventually happens in GZ). After that he falls into a coma for a long time.

And all his actions and transformation into the world greatest warmonger happen off screen.

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was this actually real in the end then?

I'm playing MGSV again and holy macaronis, I'm having the same amount of fun I had when I played for the first time. It really is a shame the problems the production of this game faced.

He was a soldier in MSF, he was a medic and best in his unit and it seems that it was a good friend of Bibo and Kaz. That guy clearly ain't us. He is just a lame attempt of a self inserting character.

You get a special ending where the player as Venom commemorates The Boss if you manage to get the FOB nuke count down to zero on your platform (PC/XBOX One/PS4,etc.)

The end, when he cements his rejection of the Boss, embraces his identity as a living gun, and affirms MSF's mission statement of embracing war because it's their only purpose. There is a jump between where PW leaves MSF and Outer Heaven's mission statement, but I don't think this is a hard bridge to fathom. The fact that Big Boss is so attached to Outer Heaven as a worldview that he's willing to saddle Miller and some poor goon with his identity as a distraction is a heel turn of its own, and I think MSF's destruction is enough of a spark to understand why Big Boss's worldview might be more ambitious and controlling than it was at Peace Walker's end.

I think MGSV could've been clearer about why Big Boss was suddenly interested in controlling the world's conflicts through an outright nation instead of just passing the time with a PMC, but I don't think it's a head-scratcher either.

>That guy clearly ain't us.
How so?
>he was a medic
Because medics do intensive battlefield work like Snake (Solid Snake, Raiden, Naked Snake and Venom Snake).
>best in his unit
You play as and control Snake in every Metal Gear game, hence you are the best because Snake is the best.
>it seems that it was a good friend of Bibo and Kaz
Because you assumedly like Naked Snake and Kaz enough to keep playing Naked Snake's games repeatedly, connecting and relating to Naked Snake and Kaz's stories up until V.

That guy is us.

It's starting to happen, people are starting to understand what Kojima was doing with this game.

I don't know. He seems that his actions are more to defend himself from Cypher. His final speech in PW talks about that. And while MGS4 BB regrets his actions, it seems it was more of war between him and Zero.

Men of culture. MGS was supposed to be about mecha, high tech shit, guns, military aesthetic, japanese animes, posters of konami girls, and very anime plots, high speed yet precise gameplay, current era settings (yes including MG1 and 2 for their time).
Its like Kojima's other game, Zone of the Enders but in modern day setting.
It coincides with the time when anime was at its peak with stuff like Gundam Seed and Evangelion.

After big boss its just been
>what would big boss feel like if I wore boxers instead of briefs
>did the boss want capitalism or was she communist
>hey AI what about boss
Terrible, feels uninspired because it reminds me so much of hollywood which I had gotten desensitized to way before video games, instead of having anime influence which was heavily present in 1 and 2.

We were promised the game would be the missing link, ie. the part of the story that would connect the MGS3 and PW BB to how he became a villain in MG1 and 2. The trailers were misleading, maybe intentionally or maybe because the game was rushed and released unfinished. Either way, we didn't receive what was promised and instead got an underwhelming game that raised more questions than it answered.

OK, but what if I hated Big Boss in 3 and PW because I wanted more Solid Snake games instead?

Checkmate, biggers.

>How so?
Because he is own person, even after he transforms into Venom he already had a life before that.
The other snakes don't have degrees as medics, even Naked Snake mentions to Para-Medic that he lacks deep knowledge of medicine. That's why she is there to help him.
>You play as and control Snake in every Metal Gear game, hence you are the best because Snake is the best.
Yeah but we as the players, not the Medic playing as the other snakes.
>Because you assumedly like Naked Snake and Kaz enough to keep playing Naked Snake's games repeatedly, connecting and relating to Naked Snake and Kaz's stories up until V.
Sure but their friendship is directly stated in the game. And personally I hate Kaz.

The medic ain't us, even Gacha characters undertand better the concept of self insert character.

>every game say Big Boss is evil
>Big Boss is evil
>MGS3 comes along and not only is he stupid he’s also incredibly incompetent
>everyone now loves Big Boss despite him ruining everything
>Kojima has to keep reiterating that BB is evil and not a hero to root for
>MGSV comes along and he goes “fuck it. YOU’RE Big Boss. If you think he’s good sure whatever. I’m out.”
>retroactively makes BB in 3 even dumber as literally everyone but Volgin was helping him succeed and now Skullface too

But lol funny snake throwing autismo amirite?

I didn't need an explanation of what you said, you just made a very confusing typo with your shitty grammar.

yes

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>The whole idea behind the fake BB wasn't even his idea, it was from Zero and Ocelot created the plan of using Venom while the real BB was doing other stuff.
Correct, but Big Boss consciously decided that Venom and Miller would be a suitable distraction for as long as it took him to lay the groundwork for Outer Heaven. The idea that Big Boss was apathetic when Ocelot details all this -- and even personally escorts Venom out of the fucking hospital-- isn't right. He didn't conceptualize Venom, but he did his damnedest to make the most of it and ensured it would work. Outer Heaven was more important to Big Boss than Venom or Miller, and the game is very clear about this. Miller's reaction to this news underscores this.
>are more to defend himself from Cypher
That's part of it, but obviously if he felt things were safe in the hands of Ocelot, Miller, and Venom it stands to reason that he probably could have dealt with XOF himself in the same position. But he doesn't because he has loftier goals in mind he's not willing to risk. This is why he's content to let Miller and Venom keep his seat warm even after Skull Face is disposed of:
>Ocelot: The real Big Boss is working separately from us, to create his new nation.
>Kazuhira Miller: New nation...?
>Ocelot : A military nation above and apart from all - the true "Outer Heaven." Something created to maintain world balance. Independent of the struggles for supremacy, for personal profit, the cycles of revenge between countries. It'll be an army all right, but more. Big Boss is building a nation. But... until it's complete, we support the other Big Boss. The phantom carries on his legend... his meme. That, is Big Boss's plan.
>more of war between him and Zero.
The Outer Heaven Uprising was a concentrated coup against the Patriots, but only insofar as the Patriots had to be dealt with for Outer Heaven's goals to come to fruition.

Shit, man. I didn't know making a typo was a reason to make such a buzz.
had* there, happy now, babe?

We already knew everything we needed to about Big Boss. The MISSING LINK shit was always stupid.

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It's maybe the best engine I've ever played and definitely the best 3rd person controls ever made by mortals. It's four years later and games like RDR2 are releasing with controls that MGSV still shits all over. Such a shame about the series and Konami. MGS was one of my favorite series.

>Miller's reaction to this news underscores this.
We were in a coma for fault of Miller in the first place. BB warned him about the dangers of making a pact with Cypher and how that would bring attention to them. It's not a surprise BB doesn't trusts Kaz anymore and even with that, he still send Venom to save him.

Dunno, I liked RDR2 a lot.

>he is own person
No he's not. The point of the existence of the Medic is that he is not his own character but rather yours.
Also stop missing words like a nigger.
>The other snakes don't have degrees as medics
I didn't say anything about any Snake being capable with medicine like medics, you moron. I said that medics on the battlefield, especially in real life, must have professional and intensive soldiering and combat skills, like the Snakes of Metal Gear.
>Yeah but we as the players, not the Medic
The Medic is the player, stop denying this fact because you "feel like it".
>Sure but their friendship is directly stated in the game.
Doesn't change any facts that I said.
>And personally I hate Kaz.
Sucks to be you.

The medic is still us. Even if you don't have any of the traits that the Medic has, he's still us OVERALL, IN GENERAL. Let me repeat that. IN GENERAL.

I loved it, but there is no reason a third person game should release without copying the godlike controls of TPP.

>Nothing ever suggested Big Boss went "mad" in the way
Not the trailer blaring "I'M NUCLEAR" as he's covered in blood with his shrapnel sticking out and screaming into the sky?

>I recognize this fact but I'm also going to completely deny it because I am automatically justified in doing for absolutely no reason (read: feel like it)
Jesus christ, what other fanbases are as bad as MGS

>No he's not. The point of the existence of the Medic is that he is not his own character but rather yours.
Well, I'm pretty sure he ain't me.
I never questioned the fact the medic was a combat medic, but that already gives him identity and makes him different to us.
>The Medic is the player, stop denying this fact because you "feel like it".
That was the intent, but honestly is was bad. The attempt of creating a self insert character in MGS was a bad idea and the medic is a bad self inserting character.
>Doesn't change any facts that I said.
Sure it does. His relationship with BB is personal.
>Sucks to be you.
What? It was just a way to explain that the logic you used to argue the medic is us, doesn't work in all cases.
>he's still us OVERALL, IN GENERAL. Let me repeat that. IN GENERAL.
Nah, he is a random medic that transformed himself into BB. We didn't even needed something like that. From previous games we experienced the joy of being any Snake without having to resort on a self inserting character.
Hell, MGS2 did this better because Raiden rejects being the extension of you and instead he wants to be his own character.

Finish reading the post, user.

When will lightning strike twice Yea Forums?

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That scene implied that Big Boss has a "lol guts blood and gore" kind of violent side, something you should have known right away is false because Big Boss doesn't care about violence.

MG2, MGS3 and MGS:PW shown us that all he craves and thinks about is war and being a soldier. War isn't strictly violence despite how war can and usually causes violence.

>feel like it
the attempt of creating a self inserting character wasn't needed in the first place.

That doesn't change my point. Big Boss was fully committed to the plan, enough so that he was willing to let Miller and Venom shoulder his burden for as long as it took Outer Heaven to get established. Big Boss wakes up a much more driven and dangerous guy in 1984 than he was in 1975.

>Big Boss was fully committed to the plan
Not like he had other choice. He wakes up and the first thing that he discovers is that everyone wants him dead. He eventually reveals his plan to Venom. And whatever action he may take, are offscreen. Instead he just uses the plan of Zero.
Miller was looking for revenge and Venom believing he was Snake did what other Snake would do, stop the main threat.

I'll sell you my book, user. It's completely blank so you can help the story come to fruition. It's the best book you'll ever read! Just give 120 bucks and we're set, you fucking retard

>Not like he had other choice.
But he did. He could've come back at any time, but decides not to because Outer Heaven is more important to him than getting revenge on XOF or anything else.
>are offscreen
That doesn't change anything. The game still conveys a shift in Big Boss's goals and ambitions. The fact Outer Heaven's goals are so radical compared to even MSF and its use of ZEKE should be enough to make this clear. That he uses Miller and Venom to help ensure it happens just emphasizes this.

>Well, I'm pretty sure he ain't me.
The Medic might not be some specific person like , but he's still me because I like playing as god tier characters like Snake and Naked and Kaz are great characters to get along with.
>I never questioned the fact the medic was a combat medic, but that already gives him identity
Only because there is no other way for the player to become Big Boss.
>makes him different to us.
No, it does not. Especially when it comes to relating him to me. You have to understand that MGSV is not about identifying "against", but rather, identifying "with".
>His relationship with BB is personal.
So is the player's. You and I have a personal relationship to BB because we're the player.
>Nah, he is a random medic that transformed himself into BB
Actually, no. He's me, he's a lot of other people, and therefore, he's still us, whether you like it or not.
>We experienced the joy of being any Snake without having to resort on a self inserting character.
But we had no freedom to act as, in terms of character, Solid or Naked Snake. We also had no freedom to, in their position, do certain things like commenting on battlefield tactics because they're already doing that stuff, without our involvement. The intention of The Medic a.k.a. Venom Snake a.k.a. Big Boss was to allow the players to have the actually have the freedom to do such things for once.

For a second let's assume that instead of Venom BB goes personally to save Kaz?
What happens to the other Snake? Is he going to kill him, leave him there to be killed. Bring him with him to the missions or to DD?
He didn't came back because in the first place that would create main confussion and ruin the plan of having BB working in secret while Venom pretending to be him was spreading his legend and message. The fact he admits to Venom who he is and what they should do, is prove enough that he still cared. And also the fact he didn't forgot about Kaz and had Ocelot and Venom handle that problem.

BB ambitions are just building Outer Heaven, most likely to fight Zero. But his actions doesn't feel evil, on the contrary, they feel vague. The creation of Outer Heaven wasn't that different from DD, Ocelot even calls it the real Outer Heaven. Venom and BB do practically the same.

>but he's still me
That's completely okay, but doesn't mean it works for everyone like that.
>Only because there is no other way for the player to become Big Boss.
Because there wasn't a need to be a BB in the first place. We didn't need it in previous games. The inmersion of playing as a spy was there since previous games.
>You have to understand that MGSV is not about identifying "against", but rather, identifying "with".
But how am I going to identity with someone who clearly is not me. In game the character is his own character and in meta we already are Snake by playing with him.
>So is the player's. You and I have a personal relationship to BB because we're the player.
Sure and we don't need a character that tries to be us to do that.
>Actually, no. He's me, he's a lot of other people, and therefore, he's still us, whether you like it or not.
And there's others out there that don't believe or feel the same. Even if they were a minority, if they feel are not Venom, they are not him.
>But we had no freedom to act as, in terms of character
And Venom is still restricted. He is just body double that is murder by Solid Snake instead of BB. There is not a change there.
>was to allow the players to have the actually have the freedom to do such things for once.
And MGS since before that let you the freedom to shoot your way out of situations or just being a completely ghost. Gameplaywise, there was always a choice.

>because Outer Heaven is more important to him than getting revenge on XOF or anything else.
Since he and Outer Heaven, especially when he's in charge of Outer Heaven, are responsible for what happens within the MGS timeline after 1984-199X, including the core events that take place during the active period of Outer Heaven and Zanzibar (of course) and even after the collapse of Zanzibar after he was burnt alive by Solid Snake, resulting in his "death". Naked's the most important character driving MGS' story as of 1984, basically put.

You have to understand that some characters in MGSV do some actions because they can't mess up the canon. Had they did, a whole slew of remakes would need to be made, and let's not forget the fact that Kojima was already tired of making Metal Gear.

For example, Venom only lets Huey live because it was established in the canon before the release of V that he drowned himself in a pool.

>and ruin the plan of having BB working in secret while Venom pretending to be him was spreading his legend and message.
That's the point. The plan is important to Big Boss. He *could have* come back at any point. But he doesn't, because he's very attached to Outer Heaven and Outer Heaven is far more ambitious than anything Big Boss had ever done prior.
>BB ambitions are just building Outer Heaven, most likely to fight Zero.
Outer Heaven was about much more than just fighting Zero and always was. See . Outer Heaven was also much more ambitious than MSF or DD in terms of both scope and effect. MSF and DD were simply large PMCs. They took jobs and employed soldiers. Outer Heaven is instead "above and apart from all" and created to "maintain world balance." Opposing the Patriots is part of this, but not all of it. The rest of the series explores what Outer Heaven was about, too. MGSV didn't change anything on that front, and neither did MGS4 despite adding a personal conflict between Big Boss and Zero.

>And MGS since before that let you the freedom to shoot your way out of situations or just being a completely ghost.
Yes, but you're missing the point.
>Gameplaywise, there was always a choice.
I was never talking about gameplay. You did have the freedom to act as Snake in terms of gameplay, but story wise you didn't have the freedom to act as him at all.

This is obviously all true, but I'm not sure what the relevance is to the post you're replying to.

BB already talked about this during the ending of PW. He mentions their intention is to survive the times, fight Cypher and according to Ocelot during MGS4, the true Outer Heaven was a free world, no world, no order, just like the wild west, where every man can find their purpose.

His actions even seem noble to some degree. And the rest of the games like MGS4 and Rising prove us that he wasn't wrong. Sunny by protecting some parts of the SOP allowed the memes of the patriots to live on. Raiden at the end of Rising and Senator Armonstrong mention this, people still fight for causes they don't believe, without a purpose, puppets of a bigger system.

I love not caring about "plots" in games. I liked Phantom game for the stealth gameplay, and seeing if I could get perfect stealth and no trace on each mission that allows it. I've got zero interest in the story, and do have interest in air dropping tanks on peoples heads or sniping while Pequod massacres everyone.

Jesus! Try it for once, you might actually discover there's a game there.

>Yes, but you're missing the point.
My point was since the beginning that we don't need a self inserting character to be a character. That's why it's a videogame, we play a game. We are not just watching a movie (kind of ironic considering MGS is mostly cutscenes).
>but story wise you didn't have the freedom to act as him at all.
Story wise, Venom still follows the orders of others. Since the beginning the only thing you do is follow orders. BB orders you to come with him, he even says it like a commander "On your feet soldier". Ocelot orders you to save Miller. Kaz orders you to help him rebuild MSF, now called DD and on and on. Eventually at the end, BB tells you to stay there and pretend to be him.

>just turn you're brain off bro!

>the true Outer Heaven was a free world, no world, no order, just like the wild west, where every man can find their purpose.
Only so far as it fed into war. You're forgetting (Liquid) Ocelot's invocation of chaos and Big Boss's own explanation at the end of MG2. War's centrality is also emphasized in Liquid's conversation with Snake at the end of MGS1. Outer Heaven was never just about getting rid of the Patriots for its own sake; it had its own competing vision for the world.
>Rising
Who gives a fuck.

okay but that doesn't invalidate what he was saying, it was advertised as such.

How is venom's arc complete? he becomes a fucking warlord in the time skip in the game, and by the end of chapter 3 which is prior to the end of chapter 2, he's still very much a good person. Venom's arc wasn't done at all.

MKB controls, especially in menus and i-droid navigation, are fucking steaming garbage.

>but doesn't mean it works for everyone like that.
Which is why I said he's us in GENERAL. General does not mean everyone, you bimbo. It means overall. Have you never heard of that word before? Have you never heard of the word "generalizing" either?
>The inmersion of playing as a spy was there since previous games.
In the gameplay, but not the story.
>Because there wasn't a need to be a BB in the first place. We didn't need it in previous games.
Because, at least when it came to Kojima's role, since he is the producer of the Metal Gear Solid games, there was no need to worry about the story in the games before V.
>Sure and we don't need a character that tries to be us to do that.
Your opinion. In my opinion, in terms of the story, we do. Plus, your opinions don't change the facts, especially the facts on why Kojima created the body double.
>And Venom is still restricted. He is just body double that is murder by Solid Snake instead of BB. There is not a change there.
In terms V's story, no, he is not restricted. In terms of how he impacts the stories after V, yes, he is restricted after V because nothing after V is changed, I agree, but that doesn't matter here, because I am only talking about V's story itself.

In V, to demonstrate the point that I am making, you can actually have the freedom to act and speak as Big Boss now, through Venom Snake, being able to write his comments on the tactics of his opponents, since he doesn't speak much when other people are demonstrating their tactics compared to Naked and Venom Snake.
His emptiness there allows you to fill in for him, giving you the ability to create his dialogue, which thus allows you to come up with his comments on the tactics of his opponents.

How hard is this to understand?

He accepts his role as Big Boss and all that comes with. It's not hard to get even if you don't find it believable.

Lmao who cares about navigating menus nigga Hahaha nigga I'm talking about gameplay

That's your opinion, and your opinions don't change the fact that when it came to Kojima, the body double had to exist.

>the story ends on a cliffhanger(Eli stealing the last strain of the virus)

That's neither a cliffhanger or the ending of the game

Venom Snake is not an actual name. It only pertains to the game as a meta name, and said name only exists because Metal Gear can't make any profit without Snake being the main character.

In terms of the canon, his only name is Big Boss ever since he became Big Boss.

Also, Big Boss is a title (both John and the Combat Medic that served him share said title), but Kaz and Ocelot think otherwise, mistaking Big Boss for a person; said person being John. Please don't repeat their errors.

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>When does Big Boss do anything morally questionable in that game?

>raises a stateless mercenary army
>kidnaps enemy combatants and brainwashes/tortures them into joining that army
>happily initiates a child into that army
>makes his stateless army functionally a rogue nuclear state
>declares that he and his people will engage in any manner of paid warfare or terrorism to ensure the continuation of his rogue state

If only Kojima came up with his plot twist himself, and executed it as well as the original twist.

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>original twist
You realize doppelganger stories have been around for a lot longer than your sand ninjas, right?

>You are an idiot.
>No, you are an idiot.
>You are still an idiot.
>No, you are an idiot.
>No, you are the only idiot.
>No, you are an idiot and everybody else agrees with me.
>You are an idiot and everybody else agrees with me.
>You are an idiot.
Is this what every MGSV thread is doomed to be like?

What the FUCK was her problem?

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Venom Snake is a codename given to Medoc after he stopped being a medic you sperg.

She had flammable liquid throw all over her including getting into her mouth and lungs, then was set alight, shortly after which she fell out of the window of a building.

Understandably, she didn't really like that.

>whole game is about confrontation with cipher
>It never happens
Yeah fuck you OP

Venom didn't do that though.

Oh really, now? Then explain this:
PW
>From now on, call me Big Boss
>Right afterwards, "Yo Snake", and "Snake".

GZ
>Snake: Former hero once known as Big Boss
>"Snake", "Snake", "Snake", "Snake"....
>"You think this will save Big Boss?"
>"Snake", "Snake", "Snake", "Snake".
Next thing you'll probably say since you are an idiot is that "Snake is the codename given to Big Boss after he stopped being Naked Snake you sperg".

I have the feeling Kojima wanted MGSV to be a full blown RPG with choices.
Remember that time he slightly mentioned that he wanted MGSV to have a dialogue system?
I can't find it, but I remember him saying that he took a look at games like Deus Ex and that he was heavily considering dialogue choices.

That would be why she didn't kill him

>go to kill someone
>he has the audacity to defend himself
Woooow

Also, look at the timeline:
>1984
>[Venom] Snake awakens.

>1995
>"is quashed by Solid Snake, who kills Big Boss' phantom."

I don't understand why you're so caught up on this one point, I seen you post this in another thread you autist. People refer to him as snake and boss interchangeably. Ocelot gives him the title of venom snake in a cassette tape in the same way meryl gives solid the title of old snake

She feels completely powerless and hates herself because she is a freak that was created only as a disposable tool to kill Venom. She becomes obsessed with Venom/ Big Boss because of this both falling in love with him and wanting to kill him simultaneously.
When Venom cures the nigger strain of throat AIDS with the WOLBACHIA, Code Talker wants to give it to her too, but she refuses because being able to talk and infect/ kill Venom is her last coping mechanism and the last thing she has that makes her feel like she is still a human with agency and still has some control over her life.
When faggot Huey mutates the vocal chord parasites this completely destroys her ability to cope because she is now even more of a freak (can potentially wipe out most of humanity just by taking a small dose of radiation) and potentially has no control over the last thing she felt she had control over.
This is why she runs off to Afghanistan to commit suicide by fighting the Soviets.
When Venom comes to save her, she has one last reason to live because her beloved/hated seems to care for her, but that hope is dashed when she is put in a no-win scenario where if she doesn't talk, Venom dies and she will lose her last reason for living anyway. So she talks in order to save him and then walks into the desert to die alone.
She only refuses to write stuff on a piece of paper because she's stubborn though. Kek.

>People refer to him as snake and boss interchangeably.
They also refer to John the same way, so? Doesn't change the point that I'm making.
>I don't understand why you're so caught up on this one point,
>Ocelot gives him the title of venom snake in a cassette tape in the same way meryl gives solid the title of old snake
Would people, even Ocelot unironically call the Medic "Snake" in Outer Heaven? Hell no.

Then what Is the point you're making? I've seen you post this shit a million times already and it is the most autistic semantic bullshit ever, boiling down to "pls don't call him snake"

This. She mentions how the other patient saw her face so regardless she was going to kill Naked and Venom both.

Miller would

The problem is that they tried to do this in a 30 year old sereis with an ahrd canon story that pople follow like a religion.
You cant pull an experiment like this in an enstablished series like MGS, you must use a new IP or people will refuse your ida being part of the actual story.

Why wouldn't he refer to him as snake? It's a codename.

This is the same series that had a game that hid it's real main character through it's entire leadup marketing and made him the antithesis of what players expected, and another that returned it's beloved iconic heroic lead character but made him a crumbling miserable old man with a bad back who is choking on his own lungs and wants nothing more than his own death

Point I'm trying to make is that Snake as a name for Big Boss was canonically only used in the Virtuous Mission and Snake Eater. Afterwards, it's strictly used as a meta name, and thus the name after Snake Eater shouldn't be taken or interpreted at face value.

Even Huey knows that Snake as a name for Big Boss is only a meta name after Snake Eater (except when referring to historical context) and he even jokes about it.

>BiBo: "Call me Snake."
>Huey: "Snake... that name sounds familiar somehow." BiBo: "Probably just deja vu."

>I'll sell you my book, user. It's completely blank so you can help the story come to fruition
Family Guy made an episode out of this idea, and showed that those kinds of books sells alot because dumb people buy them thinking they are smart people for "reading" criptic books.

>BiBo

I wish I could hate you dead

>People like think that a story has to be automatically provided to them whenever they are presented entertainment
You know, when every other game in the series in the past 25 years dos this, you expect the next one to provide the same experience, and not something compeltely new and different from the series yo uare following.
If they whanted to make something so different, they should have made a new spin off, like Rising or Acid, not doing this in the next main game, not after 2 years of marketing that show the games as the usual story driven MGS too.

How are you defining meta name here? Characters call him snake in game, how are these instances somehow non Canon?

You know, even if half of those are just jokes, the other half are actually true.
Does that mean that Big Boss is actually autistic?

I literally didn't give two fucks about the story and enjoyed the hell out of this game the gameplay is all that matters. If you want a good story read a book faggot.

Meta = in game, the context of, STRICTLY, the games. Not the story, which is synonymous with the canon.

Did you not understand the point I was making when it came to reciting these statements:
>In PW, Big Boss says "From now on, call me Big Boss".
>Right afterwards, "Yo Snake", and "Snake".
>GZ's subtitles call him "Snake: Former hero once known as Big Boss"
???

Why can't I have both?

>intentionally incomplete

Enough. He fucker up. He blew the budget on kiefer, unnecesary multiplayer, and a bunch of liscenced songs. Sure im excited for what kojima will do with DS but you CANNOT defend phantom pain

MGS5 was not over budget and only missed it's intended release window by about six months

Games = meta, faggot.
Have you never heard of the meaning of the word "meta"?

Here, let me give you an example since you're dumb.
"This movie is meta, since it is about the making of movies."

Underrated post.

It wasnt over budget because the stupid allocations of it were planned from the begining

If I plan to spend 100 million on doo doo and I give you doo doo, yeah I didnt really go over budget but I went over in principle in the sense that I didnt spend it on meaningful shit

>He blew the budget on kiefer
And, of course, like every single claim about money spent on MGS, you have no sources.

>Sure im excited for what kojima will do with DS
If you are saying he blew the budget on one has-been actor, you must think that DS has a budget of, like 500 million dollars.

I dont need sources to know that 50 licensed songs and paying for kiefer are chunks of money that could have been spent giving us a more fleshed out word and story

*world

Half of that cool shit was because of Shinkawa's influence and him actually giving some input to Kojima when designing characters (it's how we got Gray Fox and Otacon the way they are in the first place). Nowadays there's less of that in Kojima's games, wherein it's obvious that Shinkawa is essentially just rendering Kojima's ideas as-is, rather than actually being given the freedom to contribute his own ideas.

> dont need sources to know that 50 licensed songs
About 10, actually.
And, if GTA 4's development can be taken into account, licensing songs costs between $5k to $10k.

Everytime one of you redditors starts speaking about MGSV being overbudget, you always show that you have absolutely no idea about how much things cost.

You speak based on your feelings, not facts, which makes me suspect all of you are Americans.

Overbudget ot not, I still don't get why they had to fully sculpt a live-sized bust of Code Talker just to render his 3D model.

Sutherland literally cost less than the shitty old Snake voice actor did

Also you're a pretty big idiot, do you think there's less words in the script because there's less dollars? These things aren't a zero sum game.

The story came out exactly as intended. You don't like what it was going for. Shit happens.

Kojima repeatedly stressed that the game was *never* meant to be big living breathing open world game like GTA types. The open world isn't empty because Kojima wanted a Midge Ure song in his game, it's because you were never meant to walk around it.

Any actual news about the mods for this game?
Will some autistic fans ever make mission 51?
Will we ever see a modded MGSV where the open world is filled with random events to keep players on their toes?

Because they didn't have a real 150 year old man on hand to do facial capture scans of

I know this will come as a shock, but making good things means putting resources in the right places. I dont need to argue with you retards, the game itself is living proof of this.

>What games execute this idea in a much better fashion?
I'll say Alpha Protocol does that, in a fashion, where you're an agent working for an intelligence organization and one of the first things that you read in the game is a dossier about yourself that goes along the lines of "By the way, we picked up this guy because he's a pretty damn good social engineer, so stay on your toes because you never know if what he's saying is what he thinks or what he wants you to THINK he does".
And I feel that does wonders as a framing device for the dialogue system they have.

The game is one of the best stealth games ever created. Looks like mission accomplished to me.

>The US government takes their best soldier and throws her away like she was nothing for their own gain
>Big Boss takes his best soldier and throws him away like he was nothing for his own gain
>b-but Big Boss did nothing wrong

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Not really, 80% of encounters can be solved with a long range silenced headshot. The lack of actual level design caused this

Maybe if you have no creativity

that's kinda what I don't really get when people don't see how snake isn't the same dude. MGS 3 gets ignored alot when people analyze his character. The snake from 3 would have never done that knowing exactly how it felt. PW/5 snake was already a piece of shit that only cared about doing what he wanted to do.

If I remember right the dossier itself is fluid, it will say that stuff about you being a social engineer if you used varied response types situationally throughout the tutorial

He does force Medic into being BiBo, but he doesn't do it out of cold calculation or sociopathy. He seems to genuinely care about Medic's wellbeing and want him to succeed. He just knows that this ploy is the best way for them to regain their army and take the fight back to Cypher.

Reminder that Big Boss fucked that horsefaced footbitch Quiet because I said so and that anything I say is canon since I pretty much have to write a big chunk of MGSV's story and thus I have to write the main character and his story as well, according to OP. Also, she's kinda hot; why wouldn't Big Boss bang her?

Thanks, Kojima, for letting me make my wishes come true!

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>have to go out of your way to make the game fun for yourself

Lol

Good luck with your No Traces rankings using that method, shitter.

Completing a level in and of itself should be a challenge, there should not exist a method where i can breeze through everything, even if the consequence is "you got the low number"

Every single Metal Gear game that exists is trivially easy if you murder everyone in your path

Dude, I saw Buddies with Benefits too and Kojimbo should definitely hire the guy who did that SFM, but Venom clearly never actually fucked Quiet. If he did she would've never tried to suicide by Soviet

Not really, that only started with 3 subsistence

Besides, you have to admit that even if this problem existed in some form previously, making the new game an open world only makes the problem worse

Quiet is cute.

DUDE
BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGG BOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

You guys are as cancerous as Pokémon's "genwunners" and their 24/7 KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO spamming.

Don't bother. MGS fags are so ingrained with the experience of previous games that they can't appreciate the change of gameplay from linear to open-world.

Reminder the entire reason this game's plot exist it to explain why you kill a 8 bit villain twice.
From what I remember this is the only element on the story that has any bearings outside of its own plot.

Venom is a 52 year old, moderately disabled man. His dick probably didn't even work anymore.

Stefanie is cute. Quiet is less cute.

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Basically yeah. Oh and Ocelot kills Miller for Liquid.

It also explains why the Patriots went do wrong, why Liquid is such a shithead who hates his dad, and also why an asshole like Big Boss had such devoted followers (because he had a doppleganger who *wasn't* an asshole)

Too bad Kojima didn't find her cute enough to bring her back in Death Stranding.

can't be a starfucker without stars

I will never stop being butthurt about this.
Why, Kojima-San?

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this. and yeah it's good but we just wanted to be BB. I'm tired of kojima building up and then shitting on his own characters. it was obvious that you weren't bb in v. just let us play as the guy you hyped for fucks sake.

>doppleganger who *wasn't* an asshole
How so? Him attempting to kill "one of his own men", or in other words, Solid Snake to keep TX-55 under wraps pretty much makes him an asshole.

But Quiet herself doesn't have a foot fetish. Why would he shoot her?

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trailers were the game he planned to make before konami forced the release date through. maybe us being venom was an apology of sorts. 'I can't give you bb but I can make you bb'

>Reminder that Big Boss fucked that horsefaced footbitch Quiet because I said so and that anything I say is canon since I pretty much have to write a big chunk of MGSV's story and thus I have to write the main character and his story as well, according to OP.
That's nice, but sorry, Big Boss strictly being a 100% homosexual and having sex in his free time with Ocelot is canon because I said so.
That means that Big Boss never canonically fucked Quiet. Checkmate, Joostfaggots.

Also, Big Boss pulling the trigger on Quiet because foot fetishes are disgusting and that he has the belief that anyone who has a foot fetish should get shot to death is also canon because I said so.

You played Big Boss in three (four) games already

****

Ocelot is gay

No no no no no.
You're not getting off that easy.
Everyone, please look at pic related and laugh!

Also you forgot to quote the guy looks like you're going to have to delete and remake your post AGAIN. AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!

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>Not really, that only started with 3 subsistence
Only because MGS finally dropped the retarded gameplay design of having a top down camera.

Both BiBos may be canon gay, but quiet is actually Chico and the Soviets call her Tихий which is Russian for "quiet (male)" rather than тихaя which would be the female version. It's also Canon that the Soviets have seen her completely naked based on the random conversations soldiers have with each other. Quiet is actually tucking her penis and Venom is still gay if he has sex with her.

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I still can't believe, with all the scenes we've got of Boss and Kaz getting near to each other but they haven't kissed.
Like WTF Kojima, you keep building me up for that kiss only for it to not happen!

Real Big Boss openly didn't give a FUCK about any one or anything beyond their utility while Venom actually did care.

Like Venom still loved The Boss and what she stood for unlike BB who openly thought she sucked ass and tossed her shit in the trash among other things

What do you think happened in that box, man.

>doppleganger who *wasn't* an asshole
>*wasn't* an asshole
>''''''''''''''''''''''''''wasn't'''''''''''''''''''''''''' an asshole
Was THIS moment not the doppelganger being an asshole? Accept it or not, actions speak louder than anything else.
Also, him sucking Ocelot's decisions and leaving Kaz in the water pretty much makes him an asshole too.

By also saying "was", you're also using a past tense that effectively makes what you're saying "the doppelganger used to not be an asshole until X", which, when reinterpreted in present tense, practically means "the doppelganger is an asshole like Big Boss".

Slip of tongue much?

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I use past tense because they're both dead

Sounds like an excuse for being a shitty writer. Instead of making the player be Big Boss, Kojima could have written a good and coherent story continuation of PW and GZ instead of this forgettable mess. But we all know that he's a hack that's lost his talent.

No, what happens is that Kojima gets bored easily when he goes by the numbers.

He's the guy who calls him "Vic Boss" after the cqc tutorial in the beginning of Peace Walker

That might be its only part of major significance to the greater plot but that's not "why" the game's story exists.
He had devoted followers because he's a charismatic figure that acted as a benefactor (warped or not) to various troubled people. Metal Gear 2 and Peace Walker already touched on this. This was always the case. Attributing any case of goodwill to Venom is unnecessary and a little stupid.

The old camera was fine.

Oh you're that kind of idiot.

If you ever had trouble with the camera in MGS1 and MGS2 you are bad at video games. MGS3 is a different case, which is why Subsistence introduced the new camera option, but even there all you have to do is scout around in first-person view from the many places you can camouflage yourself without worry.

> Playing MGSV for the story

oh no no no no

>playing it for anything other than the story and her

>Real Big Boss openly didn't give a FUCK about any one or anything beyond their utility
He actually did care and give fucks for others, just like The Medic. His selfless generosity in offering The Medic the role of Big Boss shows.
You also have absolutely zero games taking place between MGSV and MG1 that prove that "Real Big Boss openly didn't give a FUCK about any one or anything beyond their utility", and that, if you actually play the games and read the story details very closely instead of being spoonfed what idiots say on Yea Forums, it's, once again, more than likely that him actually caring/giving fucks for others is true rather than false.

>Venom still loved The Boss
If you do not take part in the Nuclear Disarmament cutscene, no. Not at all. Since that cutscene's optional while not affecting the story at all, making The Medic accept, love and care for The Boss is also optional. Either way, if you make him do so or not, the option doesn't impact his overall character and the story, just like the Nuclear Disarmament cutscene, once again.

He doesn't care for, love and accept The Boss by default, and if you hoard nukes. Default as in if you do nothing about disarming the nukes, that is.

>tossed [The Boss'] shit in the trash among other things
OK, so The Boss' bandana is available in MGSV but you never see The Medic being forced to wear it, and you never see him wearing it on his own volition/accord anywhere within the story/in any cutscene either.

The bandana means nothing to The Medic by default, and therefore, The Boss is nothing to The Medic by default.

>playing MGS for the gameplay

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It's nice to see you reporting back from your time at Kojima Productions.

Yes, they're dead, but saying "is" in this case instead of "was" does not accidentally imply that they're alive. Also, how can a fictional person be dead in real life if it doesn't exist?

Admit it, you said "was" because you secretly meant that the doppelganger is an asshole.

Are you ESL

Let's talk about how Big Venom Punished Snake Boss is a figure of mystery according to every thread on Yea Forums - Video Games that I have ever seen.

>Venom is a John clone that has his personality while doing Big Boss stuff. He's the same as John, really. Seems like he doesn't understand The Boss' will either. Why did Kojima make this guy? Dunno why Kojima made him mute. Wish I could see Venom and John working together.

or
>Venom Snake is exactly the same as Naked Snake, the stories would happen the same way if their roles were swapped. Doublethink.

or
>Big Boss is a title, both Naked and Venom Snake are Big Boss.

or
>Venom is his own completely unique character with his own personality who was forced by Big Boss to suffer as him, what a tragic lad. HE HATES BEING BIG BOSS even though he doesn't because he actually loves being him LOOOOOOL, FUCK BIG BOSS, what a bitch, he didn't care for anyone else beyond their usefulness as a utility despite the games proving how wrong that statement is and that I'm actually cherrypicking and sperging lies LOOOOOOOOOOOL. Venom dindu nuffin, he was a pacifist saint that tried to make a world a better place by disarming all the nukes evidenced by a LOL NOT CANON BUT IT STILL OUTLINES HIS MOTIVATIONS DESPITE NOT BEING CANON AND SEEING NO EVIDENCE OF THIS MOTIVATION IN THE STORY AT ALL and BIG BOG IS A CUNT WHO REJECTED THE BOSS AND VENOM ACCEPTED, LOVED AND FULLY CARED FOR HER even though he didn't, VENOM'S BETTER THAN THAT TWERP even though he isn't NIGGA LET'S TORCH BIG BOSS WE'LL HELP YOU DESTROY HIM VENOM

or
>Venom Snake is Gray Fox. No wait, he's Ishmael. You're playing as the real Big Boss but with schizophrenia. Oh, I keep forgetting that Venom Snake is Chico. Wait, Huey is actually Paz and Quiet is a sausage.

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or
>Venom Snake doesn't exist

or
>Venom Snake is a black transqueer female gender rights activist in many Greenpeace organization who got a sex change and some bleach to become a man because Venom Snake is your avatar and thus is you.

or
>VENOM SNAKE WAS ENTIRELY A PLOY TO EXPLAIN WHY BIG BOSS SURVIVED METAL GEAR 1

Venom Snake appears to be anything and no one can interpret him correctly. Bravo, Kojima.

Big Boss IS a title. Every interpretation of Venom's beliefs or personality is not canon

>Venom dindu nuffin, he was a pacifist saint that tried to make a world a better place by disarming all the nukes evidenced by a LOL NOT CANON

Are... are you retarded?

Why do you think there are no nuclear weapons in the world by the time of Metal Gear 1, genius?

>Why do you think there are no nuclear weapons in the world by the time of Metal Gear 1, genius?

Are... are you retarded?

Metal Gear 1 never states that detail. Only Metal Gear 2 does, genius.
Having the nuclear disarmament cutscene exist only for the purposes of explaining a very minor, unimportant plot detail is just as retarded as having a body double for Big Boss exist only for the purposes of explaining how Big Boss survived Metal Gear 1.

>a very minor, unimportant plot detail

You shouldn't have tipped your hand that you were trolling

>There are people still trying to make the FOB nuclear disarmament ending canon despite all the illogical nonsense that happens in it
>Such as Quiet still showing up even after she's gone (for those who played A Quiet Exit where she leaves the story)
Give up already. The FOB nuclear disarmament ending is not canon.
Do I have to say that again just to make you shut up?

>>Such as Quiet still showing up even after she's gone (for those who played A Quiet Exit where she leaves the story)

That only happens if you've done that dumb "Reunion" trick, otherwise it's like any other cutscene in the game and adapts to your current game state

>You shouldn't have tipped your hand that you were trolling
The world goes back to having nukes in MGS1, anyways.
If I only said
>minor detail
You wouldn't assume if I was trolling or not and actually consider me serious. Don't get so hung up on the most teensiest and minor words, bub.

Where can i get a jacket as /fa/ as the one big boss wears?

>That only happens if you've done that dumb "Reunion" trick, otherwise it's like any other cutscene in the game and adapts to your current game state
Prove it. Prove that she can show up in the FOB nuclear disarmament ending without doing the "Reunion" trick.
I'll wait while I watch you fail to do so. If you actually fail, I can safely assume that you're trying to justify the bullshit that comes out of your sperging mouth because you feel like it.

>Prove it. Prove that she can show up in the FOB nuclear disarmament ending without doing the "Reunion" trick.

Try again my ESL friend.

a gay nightclub

That's what exactly want you to do though, my ESL friend.

>I said that Quiet still shows up in the FOB nuclear disarmament ending even after she leaves the story and is thus gone for good if you played A Quiet Exit.
>You said that she shows up in that ending, after you played A Quiet Exit, but ONLY if you do the "Reunion" trick.
>I want to prove you wrong, therefore I said "Prove that she can show up in the FOB nuclear disarmament ending [after A Quiet Exit is completed] without doing the "Reunion" trick."
If you misunderstood anything about the point that I'm trying to make, and what I told you to do, you are a sad brain damaged sod because my words were very clear.

>you claim X
>he claims Y
>you prove him wrong by telling him to prove X
Are you retarded?

>Yea Forums before the game came out
"That's definitely Big Boss for sure, only Big Boss would stand up for his soldiers!"
"What great kinship that Big Boss is demonstrating! This is going to be his best game for sure"

>Yea Forums after the game came out
"WRAAAAAAAAAH STANDING UP FOR ONE'S ARMY IS SOMETHING ONLY VENOM WOULD DO WRAH WRAH WRAH"
"VENOM'S A BETTER BIG BOSS THAN BIG BITCH WRAAAAAAAH VENOM DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!!!1"
"WAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"
"ONLY VENOM COULD DEMONSTRATE SUCH KINSHIP, WRAAAAAAAAAAH, BIG BOSS IS AN ASSHOLE WRAAAH"
"WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 WAAAAAAAAAH! I HAVE NO LIFE AND I MUST CONVINCE EVERYONE TO SIDE WITH MY ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!111"
>"but Venom wasn'-"
"SHUT UP NIGGER VENOM > BIG BOSS VENOM > BIG BOSS VENOM > BIG BOSS VENOM > BIG BOSS VENOM > BIG BOSS VENOM > BIG BOSS VENOM > BIG BOSS" "WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"
"WREEEEEEEEEEH!"

What a very accurate way to judge someone through his only 5-10 minutes of worthy screentime that still amounts to nothing overall, a tape that only serves as (in the means of fanservice) a meta time travel joke and nothing otherwise, and a random mirror that means nothing other than "there are no demons or angels, just two Big Bosses", yes, a very accurate way to judge someone indeed. Not.

In my honest opinion, MGS and Kojima with their lorefaggotry have the worst fanbases on Yea Forums right now. Not even Sonic and Undertale can beat it. Here's to DS making both of them seethe, dilate, and have sex the hardest and loudest they can to automatically prove to themselves how bad and awful they are for this place, which is already a shithole.

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There's nothing retarded about what I'm doing at all.
I'm not going to spoonfeed user by proving X myself, because even if I prove him/her that X is true and that Y is wrong, he/she still won't listen and take in anything. I know that's going to happen.

Also, that scene isn't even in the game, is it? I don't recall ever getting that cutscene and I played every mission.

It's the King of the Flies motion data being set up in an entirely new scene made for the trailers.

Honestly, the world hurts the game the most. If there were a few more places like Camp Omega and the oil facility, I think the gameplay could've been a lot better. But there was just too many small outposts and not enough MGS style places to sneak around

>Also, that scene isn't even in the game, is it? I don't recall ever getting that cutscene and I played every mission.

It's in the mission where the Mother Base platform is infected with the parasite outbreak. It's just shown from a reverse angle.

>What games execute this idea in a much better fashion?

Fallout NV
VTMB
Morrowind

>Discussing MGSV in 2019
Yikes.

4 years of cope

>That scene implied that Big Boss has a "lol guts blood and gore" kind of violent side
No it didn't, it, along with the scene where he's shooting his own soldiers and falls to his knees in MotherBase, implied that some fucked up shit was happening that was starting to send Big Boss off the deep end.

>No it didn't.
Yes it did. Stop lying out of feelings and start telling the truth out of facts.

Big Boss did not go into a descent of violent, gory bloody madness, he just loved war and became a warmonger.

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Hence the reason why that scene from the trailers of him screaming into the sky with a giant piece of metal in his head is too edgy and unfitting for his character.

You know better not to take everything at face value.

>Yes it did. Stop lying out of feelings and start telling the truth out of facts.
You're retarded. Literally nobody thought those scenes were Big Boss being edgy and going full "maim kill burn" other than you.

You're retarded. Everybody except you thought those scenes were Big Boss strangely being edgy and going full "maim kill burn".

Why would "some fucked up shit" cause Big Boss' lust for war to increase you fucking nignog?

Is Big Boss gay? For Big Boss?

Big Boss does not subscribe to any -ism or ideology and is beyond such binary points of view.

is mgo3 still dead

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What the fuck I, wasn't saying anything about -isms or ideologies, I just wanted to know if he was homosexual for Big Boss or not.

no facts, only interpretations
btfo

Venom Snake would have been a cool idea if they had introduced the concept from the get go and had you create a character you play as from the onset and not had you play as a Big Boss doppelganger for the game.

>Blind, in the deepest night
>Reaching out, grasping for a fleeting memory
>All the thoughts keep piercing this broken mind
>I fall, but I'm still standing motionless.

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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>Okay, want a Big Boss game? Fine. We can't make him actually do evil stuff so let's have him be a Solid Snake ripoff, also named "Snake" instead while having the story mirror the first Metal Gear game in a basic sense. When it comes to "Snake" as a villain, we'll give you his downfall in this game and that's all you're going to get.

>Okay, want a "Snake" game that takes place after he becomes a villain? Stop asking. We can't make him actually do evil stuff.
>Fine, how about we compensate. You'll get a new game, but the only way you can have one is by extending the lapse of his protagonism. We'll give you something that resembles his era of villainy while not quite being dangerously close to said era by having the story take certain elements from it and scaling them down to the point where their impact is enough to be harmless.
>Here, you have your new game, where he runs a miniscule version of Outer Heaven as a morally grey anti-hero ten years later. When it comes to "Snake" as a villain, we'll give you his downfall in this game YET AGAIN and that's all you're going to get.

>Okay, want a "Snake" game that takes place after he becomes a villain? Want even more Metal Gear? CAN YOU FUCKING STOP NAGGING US FOR THAT STUFF? ALSO, FOR THE LAST TIME, WE CAN'T MAKE HIM ACTUALLY EVIL.
>FUCK YOU, HERE'S A "SNAKE" GAME WITH A REVENGE STORY THAT'S 40% DONE OR WHATEVER. DO SOMETHING WITH IT. OH, AND THE MAIN CHARACTER IS A COPYCAT OF "SNAKE" SO THAT YOU CAN WRITE SOMETHING ABOUT AND DO SOMETHING WITH "SNAKE" IN A WAY WITHOUT HAVING YOUR RETARDED CHOICES AND WRITING IMPACT "SNAKE". MAYBE, USING THIS COPYCAT, YOU CAN WRITE ABOUT "SNAKE" BEING THE EVIL VILLAIN FOR ONCE SO THAT YOU CAN STOP BOTHERING ME FOR GAMES WHERE "SNAKE IS DA PLAYABLE BIG BAD!" WHEN I CAN'T DO THAT SHIT. WITH THE COPYCAT, YOU CAN ALSO WRITE ABOUT "SNAKE" BEING "DE HEROOOOIC GUUD", AND EVEN ANYTHING ELSE TOO.
TO MAKE SURE THAT HE'S A REPLICA OF "SNAKE", HE'S BIG BOSS LIKE "SNAKE" OR WHATEVER, IT'S A TITLE.

Stupid uneducated dimwits, why are you saying that Big Boss is better than Big Boss like morons?

Is that a postgame thing? Pretty sure I finished the main story and never saw that.

what are some video games about an asian hack videogame """developer""" who sells his shit by allure alone thats created and spouted by his autistic fanbase instead of actual having good gameplay or a sensical story and noone complains about it because he made some good games 10 years ago

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The mission is Shining Lights. You can't miss it.

Metal Gear games have both very good story and gameplay.

>>Kojima and the player creating the story together "is something traditional movies and books could not do."
Yeah. Fucking shame him and literally, and I truly, truly mean literally, every single other developer gives at the most a tiny hint of a shred of talent, because without fucking exception none of them actually make any real attempt to use the medium's defining element to achieve a story only capable of being told in video games. Him and every other "storyteller" in the industry is a worthless fucking hack and it is legitimately embarrassing that they fail so utterly. Imagine if you watched a film where zero attempt was made to make use of the camera to tell the story. I don't mean a movie where the camera just sits neutrally capturing everything, centered neatly like how episodes of Star Trek are filmed, I mean imagine a film where they just sit the camera in the scene without any regard for what's going to happen at all. It might end up pointed at a wall, it might end up catching half the lead actor in frame, there's literally zero regard for what the camera can see. Imagine a book where every fucking word was run through a thesaurus, picking the first result, no attention paid to the connotation of the word, the appropriateness of that particular synonym in this exact situation. That is what video games do to their stories.

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What story

Is Portable Ops worth playing?

>Mission 31
>"finished the main story"

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