Who is canonically the strongest Smash character?

End of Series Shulk
But if we count final smashes, Mega Man is definitely the most powerful

bayonetta, easy. she defeated jubileus, which is basically god.

Snake.
He has good matchup spreads against most of the cast.

yeah, and he's the man who makes the impossible possible.

Except the Romans, apparently

Which means that Link is stronger than Ganondorf.

So he's canonically stronger than ganondorf then

the link in this game is botw link though

>Jesus created the earth
That was god numbnuts. Jesus is gods son.

even Sakurai said only Bayonetta and Palutena could have escaped the Galeem blast too, but those characters arent beginners friendly so he made Kirby escape reality via a warp star

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Not by himself. Without those items, he's dead meat.

But he always gets those items and defeats ganondorf in the game. So.....he's canonically stronger.

Who beat Ganondorf.
And he has them, so he's stronger.

How the fuck you guys gonna say Joker? He's just some teenager who controls a demon. Gun shot to the head and he's dead. Who cares he beat a half-baked god? Many others in the roster beat much more powerful beings.

Some characters in the roster are god-killers so I don't think Jesus stands a chance.

Christians believe in a triune, which means that all members of the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, are God, while at the same time being different.
If you ask me, it just makes things more complicated than they need to be, but that's religion!

Toon link is right there retard. Last I recall is Toon link wedged a sword into dorfs forehead and turned him into stone

Depends what OP means by "stronger". Links master sword and light arrows are ganondorfs weakness, but ganondorf is much much physically stronger than link.

Look, all I'm saying is I don't think Link would be able to completely freeze Zora's Domain.

Did you miss the part in P5 where he shot a god in the face and took on mythical beings in his spare time? Some of them hit a lot harder than a gunshot.

He did not mention physical strength. If link defeats ganondorf then he is "stronger." you are trying to twist this to fit a personal narrative.

And yet he is consistently incapable of beating Link, even at 12 years old.

I mean, Ganondorf has the Triforce of Power.
Link is able to defeat Ganondorf because he has his two weaknesses, but the Triforce of Power is obviously more powerful than the Triforce of Courage.

Ok, who would win? Arnold Schwarzenegger, or a 12 year old with a gun?

Probably mario or the kirbo.
even if they're not actually high tier in the game.

In the fucking cognitive world. In normal human world he's a regular teenager without his stupid persona and bullshit. Guess where most of the powerful characters in the roster are gonna be. Joker would only be able to abuse people with palaces and I doubt many people would have one.

Did you miss the part where that took place in another world and in the real world Goro could take him out with a regular gun?

And Smash Joker is fighting with a Persona

It's just an attempt to describe, in human terms, some aspect of the ineffable and incomprehensible qualities of an unlimited entity.

The kid, is this not obvious?

Exactly.

Yeah, sometimes. And Bayonetta has guns.

oof, forgot smash took place in the real world

My vote goes for Saki Amamiya, because:

>Pros
Can parry missles, transforms into a huge Rufian Zone of the Enders creature (that can parry missles, meteors and even stop blizzards), kills dinosaurs/dragon creatures with a single gun, single handedly defends the earth from a demi god by parrying every missle and meteor back to it, doesn't afraid of anything.

>Cons
Can't fly.

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My character.

What, like arnold in his acting parts or the actor, arnold Schwarzenegger, with a fucking gun pointed at him? You think Muscles make you bulletproof?

Palutena/Pit, Bayonetta, and Sonic are all on a pretty similar level of slapping gods around and I'm pretty sure Shulk is a demiurge.

>Counting Toonforce
Kirby or Wario have everyone beat. The former tanks supernovae and cracks planets with individual punches, the latter is literally existentially indestructible. Pretty sure DK has punched a moon out of orbit.

DLC Fighter 5

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I'm assuming you meant to respond to my post here: Both Arnold's characters and real-life Arnold apply. My point was that without that gun, that kid would be a puddle of blood. Arnold is OBJECTIVELY stronger than a 12 year old.
But because of the gun, the kid would still win.

It was intended to be a response to people saying Link is stronger than Ganondorf because he has weapons that can kill Ganondorf.

Joker didn’t JUST beat a god. He OHKO’d a god.

Mario, Bowser, Wario, Donkey Kong and King K. Rool
>Bowser has fallen into black holes and lived
>Mario should be somewhat relativistic to Bowser just through basic scaling
>Donkey Kong has been stated to be stronger than Mario since forever
>King K. Rool has been stated stronger than DK
>Wario has been stated stronger than Mario
So it'd be like this:
King K. Rool =Bowser=Donkey Kong>=Wario>Mario

Why are you all giving like five answers to a question that asked for fucking one?

>Gun shot to the head and he's dead.
The question was who's the most powerful, not who's the toughest.

So the items are stronger, not link. Link, himself, cannot defeat Ganon with that power.

They're Link's items. He comes with them.
Ganon can't defeat him without magic either.

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This because he has Cappy

Cappy is practically an in-universe deity

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Wario is immortal because he doesn’t feel like dying, it’s him.

Mario is not that impressive strength wise, what gets him wins is that he is an unflinching go getter that bing bing wahoos in the face of adversity. While other characters outpower him with abilities, strength, and skill, there are none who are as persistent as Mario. Except maybe Bowser.

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Donkey Kong.

Kirby, but Shulk, Palutena, Bayonetta, and Rosalina are all tied for the runner-up position.

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Kirby

Kirby is a master when he has copy abilities but isn't godly. He becomes completely broken when he has super abilities however magic characters like Ganondorf might be able to disarm him of them like Magolor did in RTDL

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kirby killed a god and can destroy entire planets

I love how Kirby is generally the most agreed upon answer for this question
>Kirby vs Shulk
>Kirby suddenly wields the Monado
>Kirby vs Ness
>Kirby has access to PSI
>Kirby vs Palutena
>Kirby has access to divine powers

Bayonetta

Bayonetta punched God's soul into the sun.

Don’t know much about FE. Thoughts?

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Kirby’s doesn’t need to punch them into the sun. He just obliterates them

Bayonetta. She can stop time,punch god into the sun,and has an amazing arsenal of weapons that too can kill gods.

kirby is implied to be so right at the start of the adventure mode

I'd probably bump Dedede down since he can never defend his kingdom from invaders, heck he even got kidnapped by that absolute loser Taranza

It still only takes six apples falling on his head to beat Kirby regardless of how much power he wields.

That’s just because he’s a retard. In terms of power he’s just below Kirby and easily can take as much abuse

> Mario and Luigi
> Peach and Daisy
> Bowser and Bowser Jr.
> Rosalina and Luma
> Yoshi is a species with multiple colors and variants
> Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong
> Wario is all alone
What a fucking letdown, give him someone to be with in the roster.

False Christians believe in the trinity. The trinity is a pagan teaching created by the catholic church and influenced by paganism.

Palutena is honestly pretty weak for a god, I think even Viridi is stronger than her.

>Mewtwo destroying a galaxy
>Lucas destroying a planet
Nice headcanon

Sonic & Kirby could beat joker, palutena, ness and bayonetta

Mac took getting knocked several hundred feet through the air into the titantron in ken and incineroars reveal trailer. id bump him up to super human

Kirby, Palutena, and Bayonetta all canonically and implied by Sakurai, in which he responds to why Kirby was chosen for the World of light, but admits Bayonetta, Palutena and Kirby would all be able to survive. I specifically believe Kirby is the strongest because of lore and bullshit.

Move Shulk up to god-tier.

Isn’t Link super human at best? I mean, it’s easy it say he is planet-tier, but the best he’s done is swing around a sword that’s only purpose is to cuck a single guy every time he reincarnates.

Why is bowser above Mario if Mario can and has defeated bowser in any situation imaginable?

Canonically? Probably Shulk, if we're going to be real.

Dreamy Bowser, however Mario still defeated him alongside Dreamy Luigi via being boosted by the Zookeeper.

Zeekeeper actually, Mario, Peach and Bowser also defeated Super Dimentio with the Pure Hearts.

Canonically it'd be Shulk. Dude's a God-killer who can manipulate reality via his laser sword. Bayo is a God-killer too.

Richter is a tier above Simon.

underrated

Who has the biggest boob size in Smash Ultimate? Can people datamine the 3D models to check it, is switch hacking not that advanced yet?

Shouldn’t Ryu be above Ken because Ryu has his super kool demon powers?

K Rool

Shulk should be god tier, since he becomes one at the end of the game and because the Monado can manipulate elementary particles (ether) in general.

Ryu defeated Ken normally at the end of V, here he has discarted the Satsui no Hado and uses the Power of Nothingness.

Kirby when he's actually trying.
Chadrick Blanco.

ITT: plebs who never played Xenoblade.

Shulk is literally a reality altering God

If we're talking death battle only a few characters are willing to kill.

>Bayonetta
>Fire Emblem everybody
>the Belmonts
>Star Fox cast
>Snake
>Ganondorf (maybe Link)
>Metroid cast
>Cloud

Then we have to take into account who would kill without remorse. Some characters, for example, wouldn't kill if the stakes were too low. This refusal puts them at a disadvantage. The people who'd kill you regardless include:

>Wolf
>possibly Snake
>Samus
>Dark Samus
>Ridley
>Ganondorf
>possibly Cloud

Then we take power levels into account accordingly, which would leave these at the very top:

>Samus
>Cloud
>Ganondorf
>Ridley
>Dark Samus

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It’s not fucking Shulk. I’m a Shulkfag, but Kirby’s the fucking strongest.

Ganondorf survived being impaled through the heart with a light sword, pulled it out and then murdered his executioner with it. He's pretty stronk. Later he survived being impaled through the chest again, this time by the Master Sword. He only dies then because the Triforce of Power decides to take a vacation.

Yeah but Link cannot defeat most other opponents with those weapons because they are specifically anti Ganondorf (or anti pure evil). So him being more powerful than Ganon is questionable. Link > Ganondorf but that doesn't mean that Link automatically beats everyone that Ganondorf can beat.

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Kirby is the only answer and it isn't even close. Any other answer is people powerwanking their favorite characters.
People who say Shulk didn't actually play xenoblade.

>not even mentioning Kirby
INFINITE POWER

I didn’t say Shulk was the strongest, retard. I said that he is god-tier in the overall rankings, beneath Kirby. But here’s your (You) I guess.

They literally couldn't beat Ness.

>Fire Emblem everybody
Not Corrin because he's a mary sue faggot

Kirby doesn't even kill his most recurring enemies.

Way to soon

ganondorf, ridley and wolf would kill you because it amuses them

Dedede and Meta Knight aren't evil, they get to live.

>boss fight takes place in cognitive world
>before boss fight, cognitive world and real world are mixed together temporarily
>goro only killed sae's cognition of joker
tfw Joker shooting Jaldabaoth in the face was canonically more real than Goro shooting a normal dude in the head

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ITT: people who have never played Metroid or Megaman

Samus has weaponry capable of destroying the galaxy
Megaman ascends to mecha-godhood of some kind
I don’t know much about Bayonetta but its between these three I’m certain

>mecha-godhood of some kind
Classic Mega Man never did that.
>destroying the galaxy
Kirby defeated a multiversal god of darkness

Sonic with the Chaos Emeralds

Mario cannot touch turtles so he's weak as shit

Kirby can only take about 4 hits before he dies

All the characters from RPGs have to wait around between every attack they do so the opponent gets to act, so they're bad

The answer is Sonic because he can just pick up his one ring over and over again and not die.

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>Samus has weaponry capable of destroying the galaxy
No, she doesn't. It was due Animus grating her the power do so.
>Megaman ascends to mecha-godhood of some kind
X becoming a sorta god in Zero, but that doesn't mean anything anything since he does little in the Zero series.

how the fuck you imply glass cannon types aren't 'powerful'? joker might be a stupid teenager but he's imbued with the power of literal gods

>No, she doesn’t
There’s a line in Fusion where they say that if SA-X (parasitic clones of her suit) get off the space station they could destroy the galaxy with her weapons

>He fell for the "Palutena's stronger than most of the cast because le godhood" meme
Palutena is without a doubt, one of the weakest gods we've seen in Kid Icarus. She's either on the same level as Pit/Dark Pit or much weaker than he is.

It was due their potential since its implied they can potentially improve Samus weapons and develop weapons that can threaten the universe.

>Greninja and Incineroar
>City Tier
Is the city defenseless because those 2 would definitely die to cops
Also you might as well make all FE into Super Human just because they can take magic hits even if not many

>he
She
Female Corrin is Conquest Corrin

its mr game and watch motherfuckers

Not on his own. At least if I remember it correctly I genuinely can't remember 5 was the only one I didn't play again

>DDD
>Meta Knight
>Enemies
guess how i know you dont play kirby games. Kirby fucking oblitherates true enemies, see: Sectonia, Haltmann, Nova, Star Dream, Zero2

He used the power of bonds (everybody cheering him on) like all neo-persona protags

Why is Dark Samus above Samus

Corrin wouldn't kill anyone unless his waifu told him that genocide is actually good.

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Because she merged with a planet and Samus had to escape, but D.Samus nor Samus have galaxy level feats unless Animus allows them to have that power.

Kirby is probably the tip top.
Shulk maybe but that depends on how you interpret some things about his progression.
Palutena I guess dont really like KI so dunno.
Bayonetta does very well.
Samus also does very well but in a much different way.
Dark Samus is the most powerful and ruthless villain in the roster by a good margin, if you can brainwash a space dragon into working for you you’ve done well as an antagonist.
Ness would get by okay.
Inclined to put Mewtwo just because of how much Pokémon wants him to be the best thing ever.
Am I missing any? These were the first batch off the top of my head

That's the same as saying superman's weaker than batman because batman has kryptonite

That's his cousin.

To be fair Sonic only died because he tried to save the rat

Sonic used to defeat gods every other game so he's high up there.

Dark Samus wins then going off of this. Ridley can’t beat them and Samus won’t be able to (unless the very specific circumstances that let that originally happen are enabled)
No clue on Cloud but I’ll just guess no.
Can’t see Ganondorf taking it.

>kirby can le magically suck up anything xD

Okay I'm sorry.
unless his waifu/cousin told him genocide was actually good.*

Glad we got that cleared up.

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It's Kirby. The gods and god killers like Palutena, Pit, Bayo, etc come in close second. Then it's the superhumans, then it's Snake/Simon/Richter/Mii.

If we're going by the mechanics of each of their individual games, then I agree with as long as Sonic has rings to begin with.

If we're talking actual ingame feats and shit, Kirby wins every time. He takes down eldritch death gods on the regular and has survived shit that'd kill a good 90% of the roster. Some strong runner-ups would probably be Bayo (her feats and abilities are pretty fucking wild), Palutena (for obvious reasons), and maybe Ness (but that's a big maybe).

Indisputable

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Corrin is a Mary sue in either version. Also the Femui = Conquest and Mamui = Birthright shit is gay there no reason why I can't refer to Corrin as male when talking about conquest you fucking autist. Both are canon and the game literally explains it with muh multiverse muh outrealms.
>b-but muh cipher cards
There is Cipher art of dark blood mamui and light blood femui.

Kirby doesn't even need to suck any of them anyways, but his copy mechanic is fun to think about

Kirby. He literally eats reality benders for breakfast. Then Bayo then Palutena, but Bayo is only just barely stronger than Palutena. I can't comment on Shulk or Joker because I haven't played their games.

Metroid placement lines up. But while I’m here can I ask about Palutena? I know she’s literally a goddess but what has she demonstrated? Curious because I never played KI

That's not why he's most powerful. He's most powerful because he canonically kills deities and reality benders on a regular basis without breaking a sweat.

This is how I know you don't play a lot of video games.

Sonic beat the Hyrule shield emblem so he could beat the other gods.

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>the roman empire is god-buster tier
Long live Evropa

yeah of course there's also the fact that he can tank practically everything those same deities by just holding R (in the games Kirby can block he just tanks anything) so the people that are saying he takes only several hits, while true, not exactly correct

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Shulk, Palutena, Bayonetta, Kirby.

She gave Pit his wings that's gotta be worth some kinda power
I haven't played Uprising either I'm just going off of her being a literal God

Wario is immortal, so I feel like he's at least top ten.

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ness

Well it depends honestly, are we saying from their moveset in smash? OR are we saying when they have their best of the best prime abilities? And it's restricted to in game balance or whatever. If that's the case i'd say, Joker and Pokemon Trainer, they control gods and deities for fun and can fuck your shit right up.

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I just looked it up and her powers range from granting flight to spawning food for Pit. Apparently there’s a part where Pit beats up a possessed Palutena?
Someone who knows their shit has to step in and explain this to me because she seems kinda shit compared to even other characters in that game

Why are random pokemon stronger than JRPG protagonists like Joker or Cloud who are basically god killers?

she doesn't really fight in KI:U, so there's not much to compare, the Chaos Kin has the power to consume souls, gods like Palutena included. Palutena is a divine goddess but there's a reason why Pit does basically all the combat for her. If you wanna see the boss fight against her look up "Pseudo-Palutena fight" on YouTube or something

I suspected that was the case. Definitely disregarding her on these kinds of lists then until we get another game.
According to Sakurai she could’ve escaped Galeem too but I’m not sure if that isn’t just because he’s biased

Banjo-Kazooie. They have the power to break the 4th wall many times and treat like its bitch.

Depends on what kind of arsenal they get
Probably Mario with Cappy and stars
But maybe Super Sonic with some kind of infinite ring source

No.

Honest question, does Palutena even do anything that constitutes her as being one of the strongest character or is it just because she's called a God? Like, Rosalina reset the universe and Kirby is Kirby but Palu seems like a bit of a jobber in her own game all things considered

I just posted some questions about that and as far as I can tell she only places so high by her title alone. She just hasn’t been in a spot where she demonstrates her powers, mostly being supportive background character.
I wouldn’t put her above Pit as it is stands now.
But really you’d place her in Unknown for time being. Not worth factoring in for discussions about power tiers

>Palutena
Isn't Rosalina also a goddess?

Canonically Kirby is reincarnated God. He also managed to kill said God in Star Allies who happens to exist in all space and time.

That's pretty epic they're just like deadpool

Yes they do

>muh cardgame
you sound like the autist
I'm basing this off the dlc

>cartoon logic
Autism.

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I always like going for the most mundane and boring answers because these talks always get autistic.

and the strongest in terms of physical strength

Bayonetta stomps everyone on the roster no question. She'd slap kirby and if you use God argument she'd fuck them up too

Why is Ridley ahead of Samus? Dark Samus sort of makes sense since Samus had to be upgraded to shit before she could beat her Prime 3 iteration.

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Joker is nowhere near the most powerful character in smash, he and all of the other Persona protags except, like, Tatsuya and maybe Door-kun, are among the weakest protagonists in the SMT series, and most of those probably wouldn't stand a chance against something like Kirby.

So you think the mii fighter of jesus is the same thing as jesus? You are a dumbass

Probably
>Kirby
>Ganondorf
>Shulk
>Robin
>Samus
>Donkey Kong

In fact Pokemon's own universe has fucked up power levels, and humans tend to survive pretty much 99% of things that aren't pokedex entries like Mimikyu

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Ridley has obscene regenerative powers, he constantly recovers from being completely obliterated. He's literally unkillable.

Robin is a world ending being, he should be planet tier.

You can always spot a brainlet by them putting rosalina and palutena in God tier.

Rosalina has literally zero combat strength you fucking retard. She needed Mario's help to fight bowser on her behalf. I guess that puts bowser above God tier and Mario even higher than that

The dlc characters come from three different timelines and it addresses that there are an infinite amount of other timelines.

People defend him being that high because he can beat Ganondorf, but that's just an inherent property he has because of the triforce, he can't do anything else insane like that. He's definitely just superhuman.

If incinerator parried ridleys down special and the. Landed a fully charged smash attack I believe that that would be the strongest attack in the game

>Palutena
Literal God
>Mewtwo
Canonically does very powerful shit
>Young Link
Has access to time travel, controls weather, tons of masks, can grow up, a fuck ton of equipment for every situation
>Samus
Super Metroid Samus amongst others have huge ass missiles, infinite freezing projectiles, nuke bombs, super speed/jump, etc.
>Corrin
Armor plot protagonist with crazy dragon shit
>Bayonetta
The most broken addition to Smash EVER
Also lots of magic and stunning looks

Shulk, Kirby, Bayonetta, and Palutena

Little Mac. He can turn into Giga Mac, who is an absolute hulking beast of a man. You just try and say he's weak to his face and see what happens. He is also the heavyweight champion.

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they implied that abe lincoln mii was the real thing in the mii reveal, so that means miis are the real thing

I agree but I doubt Palutena could be touched by anyone other than the Divine (Pit, Viridi, Hades, The Chaos Kin), or those who can kill the Divine like Bayonetta or Joker. I think she's basically up there because she is pretty much untouchable by a good chunk of the cast

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Literally toon force so they're the strongest.

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