How come the Japanese can make a proper looking cyberpunk city but CDPR can't...

And that's a good thing.
The west has plenty of great competent programmers and artists. The problem is, western AAA companies have absolute shit pay working conditions, so anyone with actual talent just makes indie games instead.

>Astral Chain, looks better than cyberpunk 2077 despite having not as good graphics. It just looks more creative, more interesting gameplay too.

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>Insomnia
Oof, that's gonna be a yikes-a-roni and cheese from me, dog.

Show me the video of gameplay from cyberpunk 2077 that has you having crazy shootouts on bike chases? Oh wait, you can't, because it's a generic fps. Also the last demo game journalists tried, they said the driving mechanics were stiff and sucked dicks.

It's cyberpunk dude

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cyberjunk 2077 looks boring as fuck and like a gta mod

Midgar is really more of a steampunk-cyberpunk mishmash desu

>Makopunk

midgar is dieselpunk

Nothing about FF7's setting is steampunk. There's no cogs or gold colored pipes and shit like that. It doesn't look at all like some victorian london setting.

you know OP is right seeing how butthurt cdpr drones get by reading these threads

Dieselpunk, is the world. And even then, the rest of the world is more or less your regular JRPG medieval fantasy world with a modern-ish coat of paint on it. Not that I consider that a bad thing though.

No, it isn't. Dieselpunk is when the setting has that Nazi look to it. It's like an offshoot of steampunk, but german shit instead of british shit.

Steampunk and cyberpunk can't co exist at all, it's one or the other. They're like total opposites, cyberpunk is dark and gritty, steampunk is wacky and silly.

Astral shit looks like generic button masher like every platinum game

how is this cyberpunk, exactly?

Better than a generic fps in the gta world

It's night that means its cyberpunk
t. Yea Forums

I have 0 hype for Cyberpunk and infinite hype for FFVII but how on earth is FFVII more cyberpunk than Cyberpunk when it's not cyberpunk at all?

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>steampunk is wacky and silly.
Nothing silly about sending some malnourished 6 year old to crawl into the factory pipes to go scrub the rust off the gears and then five minutes later forget about him and tell your foreman to restart the machines, Ichabod.

How isn't it cyberpunk? Looks better than this shit.

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It's well established Midgar is a cyberpunk city, with all the trappings of the genre. It just doesn't have all the 80s themed shit people expect.

>A neon city at night is cyberpunk
You have no idea what cyberpunk actually is. People like you are why the genre has become more of an aesthetic than anything meaningful. Fuck off.

cool steampunk pic, OP
what about cyberpunk are japs good at though?

Because the makes of Cyberpunk 2077 live in a city that's a mix of fancy medieval buildings and spacious modern architecture with plenty of green spaces and activity centres for everyone to use. Europe is the least dystopian place on earth
Meanwhile in Asia

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>Those huge pipes in the background
I want the future to look like this

>answering my question with a question
good job

the cyberpunk look is just actual chinese cities

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>Look at Astral Chain, looks better than cyberpunk 2077
This is your brain on basedtendo and anime

How is it not cyberpunk though? Because it doesn't have ugly people in mohawks shooting up drugs on a street corner?

>tfw when a 30 year old literary genre has been reduced to wallpapers and synthwave mix video thumbnails

Nah at least you have to aim in a fps, better then mashing x for pretty flashy lights

>Implying its cyberpunk only because its night.
Well you tried.

>at least you have to aim
Did you watch the demo? "Smart" guns do the aiming for you.

DUDE CYBERPUNK CAN ONLY BE AT NIGHT

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Niflheim is high cyberpunk fuck they literally have robot army and people turned into robots.

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Cute of you, implying that takes any difficulty at all either.

Look at all those victorian-era buildinds lining the bottom, then play the game and realize that one of the defining characteristics of Cyberpunk as a setting is the commentary on capitalism and consolidation of corporate power and authoritarianism at the expense of personal freedom, meanwhile the game touches on that for about five minutes before it becomes an environmentalist story through and through.

I don't trust a game company that operates in this city to be able to make a cyberpunk game

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>implying that takes any difficulty at all either.
More difficulty then mashing and juggling some enemy

Star Wars Episode 2 is the ultimate cyberpunk movie.

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its more cyberpunk than cp2077

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And far less difficult than playing some high-level rhythm game or a schmup, in which case by that logic your genre is equally shit you faggot, not sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

FF7 would be closer to Steampunk.

will there be sun in FF7?

FF7 is dieselpunk.

So you admit Astral Chain is shit, thanks all i needed to hear

I don't even know what game that is, but you're welcome I suppose

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"Why is my distopian futuristic society not being portrait as a american dream fantasy?????"

Just fucking enjoy the cyberpunk aesthetic you like the most and shut the fuck up about the rest, you joyless cunt. Stop turning everythign into a dick-measuring contest of what does [X] better than others. Theres more than one way of doing cyberpunk.

FF7 is makopunk

>jumps into a conversation that he doesn't even know what is being discussed

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You aren't going to see any of that during gameplay and you sure as shit aren't going to be able to explore it

Akira, Ghost in the Shell and pretty much every japanese cyberpunk creation of importance was heavility influenced and came after Blade Runner, whose japanese aesthetic was manly done by Lawrence G. Paull, an american. You have no fucking clue of what your talking about.

this, id rather have small but explorable city, than huge only in skybox with few streets

oh so i guess a neon city at day time or noon is cyberpunk too?

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I know enough to butt in and say some "muh skill requirement" faggot like you should be laughed at for thinking "muh point at head and click" and "muh X mashing for pretty lights" are in any way far apart in difficulty compared to other genres out there, and that's the kind of retard logic that when taken to its conclusion means only one genre is supposed to exist, that being the hardest one, and guess what, you probably fucking suck at it too.
Use your fucking brain for more than just picking out buzzwords and navigating your wojak folder, retard.

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Cyberpunk is Japanese idealistic futurism.
Akira, cowboy bebop, GiTS and shit

>Akira invented Cyberpunk

Midgar isn't steampunk. The machines aren't made of gears and pipes shooting steam, no one wears a monocle or uses a cane or has a top hat.

ok? cp2077 still looks worse

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Disregarding the fact cyberpunk is a collection of themes and mythos and not just an excuse to make shit desktop wallpaper for hipsters, yes, day time and noon can be cyberpunk too. Blade Runner had scenes during day time.

Asking the real questions.

What aiming, cyberjunk 2077 has smart guns with homing bullets than literally fly around corners. The game takes less skill than fucking CoD Black Cocks lmao

Coruscant is peak cyberpunk, so is nar shadda

its alienpunk

would you say those themes include oppression from those oh higher social class onto the lower class?

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then pick melee who cares how others play it, its like in dark souls pick magic for OP shit or do 2handed melee for hardcore

>Yea Forums arguing over if FF7 is cyberpunk or dieselpunk while its clearly neither

No, because Japanese know that real cyberpunk barely has any sun. When it does, it still looks depressing, look at ghost in the shell or bubblegum crisis, even daytime shit looks oppressive and grim

lo and behold
C Y B E R P U N K

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Yeah bro. So oppressive and grim.

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where's the fucking neon

cyberpunk=/=futuristic

>You aren't going to see any of that during gameplay and you sure as shit aren't going to be able to explore it

Yes you will, the entire first game is midgar. meanwhile cybercrap 2077 is gonna be like gta but on rails, you won't even be able to drive where you want or have any real freedom

Never said they did. Are you okay, user?
Burger invented the idea but only Nips take it seriously and literally.

>you won't even be able to drive where you want or have any real freedom
Source?

>pick melee
>implying cyberJUNK 2077 melee isn't deus ex automated cutscene shit

>Doom's automated cutscene shit
ftfy

It literally isn't though? Why are you lying?
>automated cutscene shit
Sounds like FF7 Remake desu.

What do you want me to say? I'm NOT arguing FFVII isn't cyberpunk. My point is how FFVII having a certain aesthetic isn't an excuse to diminish another aesthetic adopted by Cyberpunk 2077. Both games can co-exist in piece without weebs shitting all over one and endless praising the other because Japan "invented the genre" and thus only they can make proper cyberpunk.

nothing about ff7 gameplay is automated, dummy, asians hate that shit

FF7 is literally not cyberpunk.

Just like 15 wasn't automated right? Lmao.

It literally IS. What setting would it be? Don't even say steampunk or dieselpunk, FF7 has no people in tophats or nazi clothes.

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this looks like shit. cyberpunk is cluttered and neon, this is some hyperdrive steam punk garbage.

it isn't
you press buttons

care to post the gameplay version of this?

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>"muh point at head and click" and "muh X mashing for pretty lights" are in any way far apart in difficulty
>REEEEEE BUT THIS OTHER THING EXISTS
Hang yourself and stop deflecting

>he thinks it's some big achievement to be able to aim and shoot at some dumbfuck AI literally designed to get shot at in a videogame
I hope you get some treatment for your Parkinson's Disease, user

the slums is on the lower part of insomnia
the gameplay part of insomnia is only the higher part with the streets around the citadel after the city was destroyed
all the lower sections and places are in the CG movie

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they can create nice surroundings/backgrounds but the games are unfortunately populated by those plastic figures with asian/fag metrosexual haircuts that are part of literally every asia game (pic related)

forgot pic

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precisely because of that. jesus christ it's almost as if you don't know what cyberpunk is.

ok at least they arent another buzzcut generic white guy

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XV-kun? is that you?

Midgar isn't really cyberpunk though? It's barely futuristic

what the fuck are you even on about?

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Cringe, you weebs should be executed

cp2077 cover is shit and so is the dude they use to advertise the player character

>autistic cyberpunk shitposter was xv-kun all along
Makes sense.

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cope

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Dilate weebtranny

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seeth

dilate tranny is exactly you, the target audience for cp2077

Looks like uninspired shit

Keep falseflagging, tranny. Dilate.

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Nice steampunk trash
Ew.

cdpr's entire audience is sois and trannies
the same people that praise w3 are the same soi trannies that defend got season 8 or the last few seasons really, and they're the same sois that want to become a tranny in cyberpunk

why are you posting pics of your target audience cdpr shill?

i wanna fuck cloud so bad

so whats the point, you're just posting concept arts of areas you can't play in, interact or explore

Looks a lot cooler and more interesting than this generic ass white dude with stubble and a buzzcut.

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sorry we like actual good gameplay and not some low rent generic ass fps

cyberjunk 2077 isn't even modeled after a fun fps like doom, it's modeled after boring shit like deus ex and cod

you dont explore every building in cp2077 either

>uninspired
Why do you think people had to come up with "makopunk"? Because FFVII is not something established, it's new enough to distinguish itself.
Cyberpunk on the other hand, well just read the title.

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>What do they use the giant led lights for?
>How do people sleep at night?
Ask New York City

thats an optional protag. the fag metrosexual asia guy is the only option in every asia game

That's diesel punk sweetheart.

All this paranoia, good lord
>IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ME, BARRY. THE ARCHITECT OF ALL YOUR MISERY!

But it looks nothing like what cdpr makes?

>midgar
>steampunk

get your eyes checked dude, I see no golden cogs or industrialist businessmen in top hats or people in hot air balloons making crazy wagers

>cdpr shill represents his game with a piss yellow ugly dude shoving people up his ass

wow they really do cater to trannies

The fuck are you talking about?

Wow look at this metrosexual guy, he's so feminine!

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they can't make it again thats why they are cannibalizing their IP. midgar sucks except for the shinra building btw.

Not the MC.

shame you never visit either city until it's in ruins so you can't enjoy the cyberpunk atmosphere, just the ruin atmosphere.

God, what a disappointing game.

you can play as a hulking black dude in ff7
you can play as gigachad in ff15

you just play as one generic uggo fag in cp2077

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I don't know, you tell me user, are those also the same people that cut you off in traffic last week and picked the last can of pringles at the market right before you got there, and also stole your lunch money in third grade?

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No, dieselpunk is shit like iron Sky. It's a nazi aesthetic. Like white women that look like dita von teese pinup girls in nazi officer and leather fetish outfits.

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desu i'd rather that, the final fantasy characters are always sexier than wrpg characters

None of the 4 guys in your party were metrosexuals either. Gladio was straight up a bro jock looking guy, and Ignis looks like some rich dude that goes to expensive clubs in dubai or some euro country.

yes who told you

>cyberpunk shills falseflag as japfags to use universal hatred of weeaboos to shill their game
>people fall for it
how do we stop CDPR from invading this board Yea Forumsros?

V literally looks like someone took Cor, but made him ugly and faggy looking, it's sad, the west can barely do men right lol

XV-kun is still alive? Holy shit

Just a guess. But also good taste, Pringles is fucking dope.

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Invade Poland? It worked for Hitler.

i think 2020 is his last year

Yeah, Japanese games like MGS and FF do manly looking men and pretty men better than the generic white face #35772157854 every western game has

yeah, he was shitposting in a DMC5 vs God of War thread like 2-3 days where ALL of his shitposts were deleted

>How do people sleep at night?
youtube.com/watch?v=iVmk3-1rxRQ
youtube.com/watch?v=iNmr5-lc71s
Same way people survive the polar Midnight Sun. They sorta degrade a little, become less man, and rejoice as the seasons change.
As they go from eternal night to eternal day.

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rent free

Cyberpunk is the most overrated genre on the internet. You're all fags.

never said that
your concept art areas are outright inaccessible, you can't even just drive and walk through them
which begs the question again, whats the point
oh look we made this very looking cyberpunk city, unfortunately for you, you can't do jack shit in it, you can't even see it in game
damn, im staggered

>Why do you think people had to come up with "makopunk"?
Because they're dumb retards who didn't know dieselpunk exists already.

Have sex fat weeb

diesel[punk is a nazi aesthetic dumbass, how the fuck does anything in FF look like nazi shit?

Science Fantasy.

No, it's not you retard.

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Dieselpunk is a stupid way to refer to neo-art deco and futuristic versions of edwardian technology.

Learn what in comparison is you fucking dolt

>no it's not you retard
>literally posts what looks like a nazi out of uniform and his 1920s era nazi car

youtube.com/watch?v=cY3ypQD6p2s

That is dieselpunk, dieselpunk looks like a mix of nazi shit and the 1920s.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure he's falseflagging to get FFfags and Cyberfags against each other.
He likes to start fanbase wars.
t. FFfag who has to deal with him on every other thread. I consider myself an expert on XV-kun.

Japs are so bad at making world designs and stories you get interested in.
Japan is only good for anime tits.

>victorian-era buildinds lining the bottom
That's steampunk, not cyber dumbass

so are areas in cp2077 which are background
did you ignore the part where the city is fully destroyed when you go back and your destination is the citadel?

Looks like Cuba.

The only one that starts fanbase wars are KH fags that spout boogeymen.

only attractive woman cdpr ever made were trish, yennefer, and that green woman in the first game

>Implying that anyone at Shinra cares about the people.

>brings up KH without any mention of it in the thread

confired, Barry is trying to get CP2077 and FF7R fans to fight.

Even if we take your stupid definition, FFVII is still dieselpunk and also has nazi-inspired stuff, specially in Junon.

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???

That doesn't look nazi at all. Nazi would be if there was some female commanding officer that wore tight pencil skirts and had an eyepatch and officer cap and was named some shit like "Brunhildr", and her title was "Obermensch Uberkommando Frau" or some shit like that.

>so are areas in cp2077 which are background
which ones? show them to me

>all my wat

do you know anything about nazis and their aesthetic?

imagine some tall blonde or raven haired woman with an eyepatch and some all black leather outfit with some title like UberFrau Oberbefehlsleiter of the SS Squad, and she carries around an electric taser baton she uses to punish soldiers for insubordination, and she has some real thick german accent and talks about "crushing ze inferior nonaryans"

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Try reading the post again, friend

>a remake of a ps1 game is suddenly good, creative design representative of present day squareenix.
SE hasn't made anything interesting looking after the ps2.

The source of inspiration, to some degree, is taken from National Socialism, but taking inspiration from something does not mean following it entirely, or taking everything from the base inspiration: National Socialism, or an exaggeration of National Socialist aestheticism, like the example you provided.

Thats german dungeon porn fetish and nothing more

This doesn't exist in a vacuum, idiot. You're still in the kiddy pool no matter what your ego says, or are you going to argue otherwise?

How about you wait until the game is out and we've seen/explored the entire city, you dumb motherfucker.

we need more games with that aesthetic then

my god cyberpunk 2077 is not even out yet and its already has lots of assblast around it

>a billboard depicting an utopia juxtaposed with the dystopian reality, with decrepit buildings and hazardous smog
Cybepunk as fuck, to be honest.

DADOES bears little resemblance to the final Blade Runner film. In the book, the world is irradiated and mostly dead. It's a post-apocalypse genre book.
You want ACTUAL cyberpunk novels?
Sprawl trilogy by Gibson is the set to look at. Cyberpunk wasn't really a "thing" until then. It was all sci-fi with post-apocalyptic tones. Corporate control wasn't a big thing. It was either big government (heinlein), or rogue AI that made the world hell, not corporate interests.

Meanwhile, Japan did this in 1982:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burst_City

This nails a lot of the visual notes we associate with cyberpunk before anyone else did it.

>1920s
>nazi

Are you American?

You never got to explore Insomnia. In fact, FF XV was very big in general on contriving reasons to not let you explore any of its actually interesting locations.