How dare parents be expected to take responsibility for their children. How dare the government let people make their own decisions in the market. How dare corporations supply the demand. How dare other people have fun. How dare people make a living off of providing entertainment to kids. How dare there exist products with features I don't like. How dare anyone expect me to take responsibility for myself at any point in time.
Seriously guys, what the fuck? Lootboxes are taking away muh freedoms!
I really don't think this particular move is a bad thing, I just hope it doesn't continue further and start dictating the level of violence/gender/racial representation in gaming as well as enforcing some kind of writing standard that ties in to twatter-tier pandering.
Isaac Butler
>How dare the government let people make their own decisions in the market. Lolbertarians and corporate cucks keep spouting this when everybody against microtransactions and lootboxes do not engage in purchasing them.
Seething worms are gonna cry to the end lmao.
Cooper Rodriguez
>t.seething lelbretarian butthurt about the market deciding what to do
Sebastian Miller
>If they tax lootboxes now, they'll end up taxing your semen in the future! There, I just saved you 600 posts.
John Phillips
The best thing you can do is stay vigilant, if these people are now recognizing videogamers as a potential voter market, they will want them on their side.
Bentley Garcia
>everyone needs to have a semblance of responsibility >except corporations of course :^)
How dare people decided to get back at vidya publishers the only way they can nowadays, which is the government stomping all over their asses.
If they didn't want that, they would've dialed it back and self-regulated. This is exactly what's supposed to happen when they become rampantly money-grubbing to the point where they're bypassing laws through technicalities. We're not even getting on them for the massive off-shore tax haven accounts because most American corps are guilty of that shit.
James Lopez
Boy EA really fucked themselves, huh?
Brody Walker
Why do Americans love sucking corporate cock? Its like they want to be exploited as much as possible. Maybe its some kind of fetish.
Logan Hall
Gambling is gambling, OP. The Kinder Egg argument doesn't work in the US because those treats have long been banned due to legislation. That is until they made the prize fit in a secondary department along the chocolate.
Joshua Clark
how do I edit my posts
Asher Brooks
i for one am glad to see the nanny state coming into fruition, all hail our benevolent overlords
Jace Ward
>t. underaged kid that won't be able to use mommy's bucks
Landon Wood
I want the Government to stomp on the throats of all game companies. Why not?
Please don't judge us all on our small but loud lolbert minority. We hate them as much as you do.
Lootbox and MTX-driven games make most of their income from "whales", like 95%. So removing them will not affect you or your experience at all, since 90% of people don't engage with them. It'll only affect it for the better so that games aren't pandering to some extreme mentally ill minority.
Fuck them. Gambling is restricted heavily for a reason. Because a tiny percentage of people are retards with money. I refuse to feel sorry for AAA and mobile devs anyway, the only downside to this bill is that it's just some mechanic getting regulated and not 90% of those scumfuckers being lined up execution squad style.
Wyatt Barnes
Wasn't this thread deleted from post activity literally 10 minutes ago?
Some Americans do really well standing by the Corporations which they have invested time and labor into. Not everyone in the corporate landscape is treated like wagecucks who can't afford to live. Some believe that unbridled capitalism would benefit them by giving them a more affordable living situation. It's not always some fetish or retarded belief; some people genuinely have and still do benefit from them.
Chase Perez
>How dare parents be expected to take responsibility for their children.
lmao... you're not from around here are you? How many 10 year olds have you run into in games like GTA5? Modern parents are dipshits and absolutely shitty at parenting. Someone has to make decisions these fucking morons can't or wont because they're too busy trying to Jayden's friend instead of his fucking parent.
>How dare the government let people make their own decisions in the market.
Both the collective and individual IQ has gone down considerably. We now live in a clown world where people no longer have a sense of individuality or identity. People now define themselves by the brands they support (PS4 dudebros, Apple Sheep, Coke vs Pepsi, etc and etc). People are too fucking stupid to be allowed to decide anything for themselves.
>How dare corporations supply the demand.
Yes, how dare companies put addictive drugs in the products (e.g. Coke in the 1930s)?
I really can't tell if you're a shill or a moron baiting for (you)s.
Ayden Garcia
Why no one mentions Valve in these threads?
Jason Cox
Get fucked nigger
Kayden Moore
We are all just down on our luck billionaires.
Nicholas Wright
Who honestly could be upset about this outside of people who profit from it?
>Why do Americans love sucking corporate cock? strawman
Jeremiah Evans
By the very definition of "gambling" in the United States, "loot boxes" are gambling and are required to be regulated. Precedence on gambling has been set numerous times. There is no argument that can be made to claim "loot boxes are not gambling."
I still have my old trading cards from 20 years ago. Meanwhile, you'll lose all your gun skins when the server shuts down or a license expires.
Adam Anderson
>There is no argument that can be made to claim "loot boxes are not gambling." I agree, which is why if you ban loot boxes there is no line that can be drawn which stops all gambling from being banned. Regulation is one thing, banning is another. Regulation is fine.
Carson James
Ask the console fans here... especially the PS4 douchebags. Or, the iSheep. Both completely and utterly ignore the reality of the superiority of both the PC (in terms of gaming) and Android (in terms of mobile). Regardless of how many actual facts you throw at them, they blindly stand by their "brand." It's how they define themselves.
Supporting this legislation is a LIBERAL thing to do. Free market knows what's up.
Kayden Reed
I own my cards.
Jonathan Rogers
if you can't make your point presenting facts, just pretend to be the other side with a pathetic demeanor.
Jose Hughes
CCGs/TCGs are also shit-tier monetization masquerading as a game, but I'm not retarded enough to play them so they don't affect anything I give a shit about.
Noah Watson
I should rephrase: >There is no argument that can be made to claim "loot boxes are not gambling*." *Unless the loot box itself does not cost anything to obtain. Even if the box costs in-game currency, it still would be, by definition, 'gambling.'
Jason Harris
I like when things I dislike get banned
Christopher Foster
Loot box winners come out owning something too.
Jason Parker
I'm just as happy as the next guy, but how can any of you think the government will come up with a consistent and fair set of rules? It's more likely that they come up with a generic "law" that can be easily abused and will hurt indie devs who offend cucked liberals who then report them en masse to whatever uncaring and oppressive governmental organization is responsible for enforcing this vague law. oh and then a judge who knows nothing about technology let alone videogames will hear arguments from a well-funded lawyer who hates games and is being paid from a large special interest group.
Nolan Powell
You say this unironically.
Andrew Peterson
That's against the free market. If it's not marketed, you're not allowed to like it, whatever it is.
Joshua Collins
Hot potato. Dump it before Steam/Fortnite 2/Netflix Games shuts down and takes your 'property' with it.
Adrian Long
>Even if the box costs in-game currency, it still would be, by definition, 'gambling.' Xenoblade 2's gonna get hit with an AO rating lol.
Christopher Gomez
>digital >owning lmao
Austin Parker
Trading card packs are exactly like loot boxes. People buy them to get rares and usually just get shit generic cards everyone has.
Caleb Morris
>I'm just as happy as the next guy, but how can any of you think the government will come up with a consistent and fair set of rules? They don't need to, as long as they make sure it affects real-world monetization and makes it a pain in the ass to go that route, everybody wins. Who gives a shit about how accurate it is unless it's easy to bypass.
And fuck indies.
Thomas Campbell
you can say nigger and your cards will still exist
Valve's the only company that realizes you have to offer real world value with the content of lootboxes for some weird reason Why other companies haven't figured out you can let people sell back their shit for a fraction of what they paid while also getting a cut of that as well and be totally legally exonerated is completely beyond me
Austin Wilson
>bad goy! The only gambling we want you to do is the state lottery!
Are packs of collectable cards gambling too, then? You never know if your going to get shit cards or special cards. Is buying any product that says "you could win, check inside" gambling? Lots of things could be banned for being gambling
>Lootbox and MTX-driven games make most of their income from "whales", like 95%. So removing them will not affect you or your experience at all, since yeah, except the entire game's designed around them anyway. shit like turning on-launch-complete games into grindy nightmares where you can pay more money on unlocks. I don't wanna invest 30 hours into a game just for unlocks. so I don't play the game at all. and they don't care, because the whales more than make up for me and everybody like me bailing.
and this is where you switch into some laissez faire rhetoric response instead because that's what actually motivates you you write this retarded garbage in the first place. just start with that shit in the future instead and save everybody the time of having to write these stupid, pointless posts
Juan Ortiz
this
bring back child slave labor
Alexander Green
it's full blown wage-slavery. if they lick their boots enough, maybe they won't get downsized and told to fuck off.
Zachary Hill
get fucked faggot
Adrian Rivera
>think of the children >fuck off retard fucking hell
Except you can trade or sell them without giving away everything else related to it. Closest instance to that I know of for lootboxes are relics in Warframe
Children are becoming addicted to online gambling you fucking nigger. Yes, think of the children. Should we just make it so you can drink alcohol and smoke the day after you're born? Eat a dick.
Isaiah Perez
Dumb cunt, read the whole fucking post. Keep reading. Go back and fucking read it. Right now. You fucking moron, you just agreed with me and got angry about it.
Dipshits on Yea Forums, swear to christ.
Dominic Roberts
>be average consumer >believe in free market >corporations become unbelievably greedy, destroying game after game with microtransactions and lootboxes >"DUDE JUST IGNORE IT" >only buy from a select few devs >they get bought out or greedy enough to implement lootboxes >"DUDE VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET" >my vote gets nullified by a whale who spends 5000 dollars >decide that enough is enough, and forcefully lobby the government to stop this >"NOOOOOO STOP YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN REEEEE"
Cry me a river dickface. You had your chance to self-regulate, now I'm gonna crash this industry with no survivors.
>so what if I got a child addicted to gambling? It's my right as an American!
Actually un-ironically yes. If you raise shit kids then its your fault as parent. I am sorry that you wouldn't know what to do with your children if the nanny state wasn't around too take there butter knives.
>children can open credit cards and use them to buy video game stuff Oh?
Michael Jackson
>You cannot defend liberty if sometimes people abuse it and do shitty things with it because it is far better that people be free even if some bad things come from it then to strip that freedom away, which is always evil.
I'm not even American and the lack of understanding of this principle from so many people legitimately makes me lose sleep at night. It's terrifying.
James Bell
>muh cards argument >costs money to manfacture seal package and ship >physical >resellable >tradeable >doesn't disappear the moment a company stops supporting it
Adrian King
>How dare parents be expected to take responsibility for their children. Isn't that exactly what they are doing by requesting regulation? >How dare the government let people make their own decisions in the market. Turns out people make terrible decisions all the time. >How dare corporations supply the demand. There's a lot of demand for child porn but we don't let anyone supply that either. >How dare other people have fun. You can have all the fun of RNG, without spending so much money. Play Darkest Dungeon or XCOM instead. >How dare people make a living off of providing entertainment to kids. Some forms of entertainment require being an adult to participate. Gambling, for example. >How dare there exist products with features I don't like. Monetization models are features now? >How dare anyone expect me to take responsibility for myself at any point in time. Some people have issues and can't control themselves. If you can, then good for you.
Parker Lopez
>just let irresponsible parents ruin their kids lives bro
did the kids in question have any say in that? I guess it's ok, though, since the free market is safe.
Zachary Flores
who are you quoting?
Justin Ward
Rate my Taste in video games Yea Forums, (NP Indicates something i'm still playing) > 1. Final Fantasy VI > 2. Ocarina of Time > 3. Chrono Trigger > 4. Shadow of the Colossus > 5. Metroid Prime (NP) > 6. SoulCalibur > 7. Super Metroid > 8. A Link To The Past > 9. Resident Evil 4 > 10. Final Fantasy VII > 11. Metal Gear Solid 3 > 12. Star Wars KOTOR > 13. Super Mario Galaxy > 14. The Wind Waker > 15. Panzer Dragoon Saga > 16. Grim Fandango (NP) > 17. EarthBound > 18. Digital Devil Saga 2 > 19. Silent Hill 2 > 20. NieR: Automata > 21. Chrono Cross > 22. Valkyrie Profile > 23. Bioshock > 24. Super Mario Galaxy 2 > 25. Vagrant Story > 26. Breath of the Wild > 27. Gravity Rush 2 (NP) > 28. Castlevania SOTN > 29. Metal Gear Solid > 30. Zero Escape: 999 > 31. Dark Souls > 32. Red Dead Redemption > 33. Final Fantasy IX > 34. Zero Escape: VLR (NP) > 35. Xenogears
Wyatt Russell
>bad parenting will cease to exist as soon as children stop using their irresponsible parent's credit card to buy shit Whew.
Christian Richardson
I don't play garbage that has loot boxes, and I won't play the garbage that comes after loot boxes. Ban lootboxes, then what? We go back to skin shops? Banning lootboxes is treating a symptom of the disease of these awful companies putting out absolute garbage and monetizing retards. Let the retards have their games while I continue to play shit from developers that actually respect me as a consumer.
>How dare other people have fun. >lootboxes >fun LOL
Jordan Morales
>oh look! dad left his wallet on the nightstand Yes, they can very easily.
Tyler Morris
treating only the symptom is the wrong way to go, so your answer is do nothing?
Asher Torres
Are Sword builds good in Dark Souls? Looking to play it today
Anthony Harris
who are you quoting?
Sebastian Foster
>teaching your children to steal We're still at the first problem of bad parents pham. Try again.
Evan Williams
>random list of games with no quantifiers other than showing you're a fucking flake on 4 separate single player games Yea Forums out of 10
Luke Reed
I don't have an answer, but letting fucking Congress run wild on something they don't understand seems a hell of a lot worse than just ignoring the putrid waste that EA/Ubisoft/etc pump out, why should I care what retards or shitty kids do with their money.
Chase Williams
Bad parents will always exist and parents will actually be responsible for their children's actions in the US. So the next beat thing is to age restrict games with lootboxes.
>Bad parents will always exist So let's punish everybody! Yay! Fuck responsible people!
Joseph Gray
>hurr, parents should know better than to give access to their CC to their kids Keep in mind, we're talking quintessential boomers here, that will call tech support and have them install cc cleaner remotely because they had too many icons on their desktop. Just because they are retarded with computers doesn't mean they are the ones in the wrong.
>just let irresponsible parents ruin their kids lives bro When you don't have a government to wipe your ass you have to see the true grit of people and its disgusting. It fucking sucks, but trust me shitty parents will find away to make shitty kids no matter what. Just look at yourself for instance.
Imma be real here, other then the basic necessities and human rights children don't have a say in anything because they are children you idiot.
You wouldn't let your kid choose what to eat for dinner for 7 days a week would you? What are you that compliant to eat jelly beans and macaroni and cheese every day for the next 18 years?
Owen Johnson
>age restrictions on lootboxes is a punishment
what?
David Fisher
>teaching your kids to steal >teaching you are one special kind of retard, huh?
Ryder Wright
Trading cards can be resold and don't disappear from existence once the card game makers put out a new version.
It's because we're the most jew-controlled country on earth. And there are still boomers around who had the cold war era conditioning that they tap into when necessary. That's why you'll see low-IQ shit like "something something regulation COMMUNISM" any time anyone even dares talk about doing something to curb the corporate assfucking of consumers.
Bentley Peterson
>ma slippery slope A retarded belief philosophy which has never been true. The objective here is not to diminish control over games, its about gambling products which are targeted at children and are making hundreds of millions of dollars from stupid kids who dont know what odds are.
Case and point look at all these dumb as fuck summer sale threads were people actually think they have a chance at winning a free game, while their odds in the best case are nine thousand to tens of millions, in other words completely negligible.
The big legislative pushes for control in gaming over a decade ago died because no one wanted it then and no one wants it now. But loot boxes are literal fucking cancer and there is no reason why they should be legal. Or at the very least, literally plaster the odds of winning individual items on the item themselves. No one would actually go for any of this cosmetic bullshit if they saw 'You have a 0.0000000045832% chance of winning this item!' every time they rolled.
Kevin Gutierrez
They really don't need to understand anything here. If they are going to ban the putrid waste in question, who cares what they understand?
Ryder Miller
Predatory business practices are a protected freedom and help weed fools out of fiscal safety, its a zero sum game, stop being an idiot. I'm tired of this debate. Lootboxes are awful, their existence is not the fault of the corporation; but rather the fault as OP said of the "demand". Why the fuck is there a demand? Because morons need to have their money taken from them.
Dylan Stewart
Your rights end as when someone else's begin.
user you can barely live your own life why do you think you have any say in anyone else's
Charles Garcia
>children don't have a say in anything because they are children you idiot. yet mature enough to come in contact with fucking gambling at a click's length?
Michael Morales
Parents don’t know anything about video games though That’s the issue It also affects adults who want to play AAA games without having to worry about their progression being lootboxed
>A retarded belief philosophy which has never been true. >gays want to get married >it'll cause a slippery slope! >no it wont you fucking bigot >fine whatever >gays can get married >BAKE MY CAKE YOU FASCIST >GENDER ISN'T REAL >MEN CAN GET PREGNANT TOO! lmao ok
Sebastian Jones
Except I can legally make phony trading cards. Can't do that with lootboxes
Please explain to me why I should want lootbox mechanics to exist. don't ask me some bullshit philosophical wankery. Ask me why I PERSONALLY should want them. How do I personally benefit. No bullshit, no autistic slippery slope garbage, give me an actual reason why I should defend their practice rather than being okay with them being gone from the face of the earth.
Yours might because your a shitty person or something.
>Letting your kid have smart phone >Letting your kid have a console that isn't in the living room >Letting your kid have a computer in there room
lmao
Nathaniel Lopez
Perhaps we need a Gamer's National Party.
Benjamin Peterson
said nobody
William Carter
you're right, we should start putting drug addicts in jail and give the cartels a spot on wall street.
Jacob Jenkins
Who are you quoting?
Lincoln Myers
Their existence is an extension of free market capitalism.
Levi Davis
>corporations make lootboxes addicting >not their fault
David Long
we already do that though
John Edwards
Because I don't trust them to stop at the waste, and you shouldn't either.
Jason Powell
This. Legalize real life gambling for children too
Oliver Long
They don't have a reason. Every one stems from their hate of government regulations (except copyright law, gotta keep that one for mr. shekelstein)
Isaiah Sullivan
Murder is a protected freedom and helps weed weaklings out of physical safety, its a zero sum game, stop being an idiot. I'm tired of this debate. Murder is awful, its existence is not the fault of the murderer, but rather the fault of the weakling. Why does the weakling get murdered? Because weaklings need to have their lives taken from them.
Easton Ortiz
Its their culture. Anyone who gets rich must have gotten there by them deserving that wealth. By definition then corporations must deserve to exist because they are wealthy and powerful. Its funny because China has the same philosophy. It doesn't matter HOW you get the money, as long as you have it. The existence of wealth validates the means to get it.
Other cultures can be the complete opposite, in Australia people knowing you have money makes you get alienated except by other rich people. Its seen as a negative rather than a positive trait.
Henry Morris
So, honest question. Can this bill actually make it or is it gonna get struck down?
Grayson Gutierrez
Gambling is heavily regulated nearly everywhere. Why should lootboxes get a pass if you agree it's gambling??
Jaxon Edwards
I said no philosophical wankery. Give me a tangible benefit to me personally as a consumer why I should want lootboxes in games.
I'm surprised the Rs are leading the charge on this one. Remember video games and politics in the 90s?
Isaiah Long
What’s the point of bitching here exactly? No one here has the power to create or pass or vote on a bill. You’d have better results writing to senators instead of posting this same shit everyday.
Because in the end, those shitty kids and irresponsible adults end up creating a standard. >Hey bro you wanna play Bayonetta?? >Give us $60! >Ohhh you want her special abilities and guns? >Sure bro... no problem... just give $20 for these loot boxes and maybe you'll get 'em.
Thomas Gomez
I don't trust either publishers or the government, but it's a simple analysis of facts here. Loot boxes get banned, end of story. There is a clear loser here and it isn't the consumer.
Ethan Gonzalez
Loot boxes are actually killing the industry
Jeremiah Lee
>You’d have better results writing to senators
lol
Eli Ross
The best is why they call pirates communists for rejecting bullshit copyright regulation, but then call anyone who wants reasonable regulations of predatory practices a communist as well.
I really wish the right-wing wasn't so wrapped up in the jewish trappings of this lolbertarian the-market-is-always-right-no-matter-what bullshit. Makes me fucking cringe when people fall for that corporate dickriding bullshit just because they've been lead to believe that the only options are either corporate dickriding or pro-tranny anti-white shit.
you dont give people a spot on wall street; they earn it by preying on morons, dont be an idiot; if we followed this rule and didnt fucking feed them when they stupidly lost all of their means of self sufficiency, then blah blah no more addiction genes (proven hereditary trait, so obviously can just be ironed out of the gene pool) You'll all be able to live full lives in this scenario, but you have to choose not to fuck it up, but genes are kind of like this little deterministic part of our condition so whether you're hard nondeterminist (you're wrong) or whatever; it makes no difference, don't fucking buy lootboxes... what is it about 3rd worlders and their brood and being such fucking irresolute weak-willed commies.
Grayson Thompson
Slippery slope isn't a fallacy. You need only look at statements of current legislators that supported things like CA Law AB 1179 in Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association to see that these peoples ambitions, in their own words, don't stop at merely controlling this one aspect of some video games.
nigger how is it a non-sequitur when I'm the one who posed the question in the first place? Answer the question or don't. All I'm asking is for someone to give me a tangible no-bullshit reason why I, as a consumer, should want lootcrates in games.
You haven't answered my question. Give me a tangible reason why I, as a consumer, should want lootcrates in games. If you can't give me a tangible personal benefit, and can only give me some metaphysical wankery about "muh free market" then just admit you have nothing.
destruction of traditional marriage and curbing of corporate profits are two different things,user.
Nolan Barnes
non-aggression principle; look it up. You're a consenting adult, choosing to throw your money away; you are however typically not a consenting party as a victim of murder.
Daniel Long
>we could live in a world where only DLC and expansions are legal I want to move to whatever universe lets this happen
Fuck you corporate apologists. Gaming was better when content was not fucking piecemeal sold in cash shops and loot boxes.
I hope the US government fucking bans ALL cash shops entirely. No P2W. No lootboxes. No cash shops. You fucking spend X amount on a game and get Y amount content. Developers can release more content with DLC or expansions only and they can never open a store or sell multiple smaller pieces individually.
Christopher Bennett
>when you're so out of arguments that you have to turn to science fiction drivel to get your point across
Caleb Young
its not a angle.
its called responsibility. Something that a lot people I know sadly lack.
Elijah Lee
Because gambling is a regulated by the government and implement them on a platform that easily available for children is illegal. You can turn a blind eye to drug dealer doesn't mean that shit is okay. "I don't care" isn't an argument either user
Cameron Butler
The fallacy is you think bad things will only happen once someone implements loot crate bans. Which aren't even sliding down any slope, mind you, because it's just an enforcement of preexisting laws against allowing minors to partake in gambling. But let's just leave that aside and pretend it was something totally new. What, do you think there are groups of people who want to ban other stuff, but they're all holding back from trying anything because "oh drat, we don't have precedent from a lootcrate ban! If only we could use that as the clincher!" You fundamentally do not understand how lawmaking works. It's not some game of chess where one side makes a move that allows the other to counter law for law like that. You try to get your shit through, or you sit back and do nothing. That's it. You chosing to not do anything doesn't prevent your opposition from doing anything themselves.
Julian Ramirez
I'm sure unbridled gambling opportunities will vastly improve this situation.
Connor Gomez
NAP isn't a thing that exists in real life, retard. We don't live in your theoretical ancap society.
Samuel Hughes
The thing about capitalism is that you don't have to buy it. Peoples don't need a Lamborghini but it still exists to anyone that want it
Christopher Hall
There is no defense of it and you know it, you're just looking for a "gotcha!" moment which is not an argument. You can't ban retards from doing retarded things that only harm themselves, end of story. Lootboxes today, the next form of mtx tomorrow. Banning one form achieves nothing, and banning it all is impossible.
children already can't buy lootboxes because you need a credit card and banks don't give children credit cards >but their parents buy it for them then you are arguing for the government to have more authority over children than their own parents and literally hitler
It's a cancerous way to make money and only gambling addicts would insist otherwise. Valve used to make games until this shit showed up. Please, if this is the kind of thing keeping you around kindly fuck off to mobile free-to-play crap. You aren't needed here and you won't be missed when you leave and return to your slot machines.
Carter Gutierrez
Still haven't answered my question. Again I'll ask, what tangible benefit do I as a consumer personally gain from the existence of loot crates?
If you can't answer the fourth (4th) time I ask, I'll assume you can't give one at all, ever.
Jeremiah Miller
you also didn't have to transition and become a sexual freak, yet here we are.
Kayden Wright
They're saying that some people find them fun and that this is how a free market in a democratic nation works.
See
Connor Myers
>You can't ban retards from doing retarded things that only harm themselves, end of story. Yes you can.
>banning it all is impossible Ah, the nirvana fallacy. That's right, if we can only limit 90% of something, that means we might as well not try at all.
Juan Mitchell
The tangible benefit of a free market is that you can start a business doing just about anything as long as it doesn't infringe on others' rights.
Hunter Carter
I mean, Trump is in power, right? You'd think /vpol/ would like to be nannied by based Emperor Trump.
Xavier Cook
MTG Tourneyfags deserve to be broke. I buy used cards at 5c/piece to 10c/piece and proxy anything worth more.
Benjamin Evans
You're asking me to answer something only you would know user. I don't know your interest as a consumer, I don't know if you prefer apples or oranges.
Christian Roberts
So what? Your argument is "you should be against lootbox bans because it won't work at all anyway (source: trust me bro)"
This is just pseudo philosophical wankery. You don't want it to work because you have this autistic lolberg viewpoint that the government can never ever do anything at all. Your wishful thinking doesn't mean anything.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about zoomer.
Lucas Rodriguez
>You can't ban retards from doing retarded things that only harm themselves, end of story. Agreed, we should legalize child labor and gambling for children too
Brody Sanders
Bruh I'm asking hat good lootboxes do me as a consumer, and you go on about some bullshit about how free markets and starting a business? Dude, fuck off. Do you even understand what the words "tangible" and "consumer" mean?
All of that was already in place theologically for a very long time, we are just working to bring it to the public slowly, it started in the 80's but sped up significantly because of the internet. We'll get to 100% saturation eventually. Your children will grow up in what you would call 'sodom' and they will love every moment.
Gabriel Sanchez
There are consumers who find loot boxes fun, you fucking moron. That's why corporations implement them. People get a rush out of bagging some luxury item in an online game no one else has and showing it off and making everyone else seethe. It's just another method of griefing.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
>resorting to identity politics The idea of Free Market is based off the retarded fantasy that all resources are infinite and nothing on this planet needs protection. Might as well start calling it a kikeocracy
Isaiah Jones
>all right, Yea Forums, you have convinced me. I will rescind my ban on opium and allow the British to slowly kill my population.
>dude we can't ban lootboxes that's gubmint regulation! So then why don't we just legalize real-life gambling for children too? Why don't we legalize children signing contracts? This is why lolbertarianism is a meme ideology, the only bigger meme ideology is ancap
Justin Brooks
Why do you post these threads multiple times a day? Why do anons come in these threads and make the same arguments to each other everyday? How do you not get bored? Do you fags even play video games?
Ayden Johnson
in name of freedom all corporates should have right to fuck me as hard they can
Joshua King
>It's just another method of gambling.
FTFY.
Christopher Smith
You shouldn't be against it, you should be skeptical and ask yourself whether shielding retards from money hungry corporations is worth the industry getting directly regulated by a legislature beholden to the same retarded populace that buys this garbage in the first place. It wont stop at lootboxes.
Thats actually the exact same thing; a lootbox is EXACTLY like buying a pack of trading cards, its a randomized pack of things that vary in their subjective value; the problem is the access these companies have given us to our own funds on their platform, and to that I say, GOOD. Stop being an idiot or become poor.
Gabriel Rogers
what about real-life children gambling
Jaxon Kelly
Nothing user, lootboxes offers nothing to you as a consumer, you are FREE to not buy it. However you do not speak for everyone, peoples that like to buy lootboxes, they also have the same FREEDOM as you as a consumer to choose what they want to do with their money
Jonathan Young
What part of "ME PERSONALLY" do you not understand. I do not like lootboxes. I think they're cancerous. Why should I PERSONALLY want them around. What do I PERSONALLY gain from their existence?
You're still giving bullshit wank answers. I'm not Bike Cuck. I'm not asking you to give me a reason they increase the happiness of some other faggot who's not me. I'm asking you to tell me why I should want them around, as someone who hates the practice.
This is important because I wager 99.9% of people in these threads think lootboxes are cancer, yet you're expecting them to defend their existence instead of wanting them gone, and all you can give are bullshit answers like "well there are others who aren't you that like them..." and "but muh free market" Fuck off.
Jack Flores
Some people find gambling fun. It's a part of thrill seeking for them. What don't you understand about this?
Joshua Cook
Children can't buy lootboxes, try again.
Ryan Green
>It wont stop at lootboxes. Source?
Isaac Cruz
>no vtmb shit
Oliver Walker
Industry is already involved. And whether or not we get a regulation that is good for us for a change changes nothing else about the jewing they'll do otherwise and regardless of the outcome of this current affair.
Logan Flores
>What part of "ME PERSONALLY" do you not understand. What part of "DON'T PLAY IT THEN" do you not understand? By not banning lootboxes, you aren't being forced to buy lootboxes. Fucking batshit logic there m8.
Cameron Reyes
It's horrifying to think about really. Such a simple idea can cause so much harm.
Colton Scott
imagine being okay with your child having instant access to gambling. yikes
Brody Garcia
>BAKE MY CAKE YOU FASCIST but the baker won that case
Carter Kelly
So then why don't we legalize all gambling for children? Children don't have money, after all
Anthony Allen
>you are free to not buy them I don't, but I also want them gone from existence. I don't give a fuck if some retard is denied his enjoyment of cancerous lootboxes as a result. "muh freedoms" is wankery and not a real answer.
Jaxson Morgan
This, why the fuck are they allowed to infringe on our rights like this?
Also where are my child slaves and personal attack helicopter? Why is the government man always trying to keep me down?
Ryder Martin
Try the last 20 years of attempts to ban content to save the chillens
Cameron Johnson
i feel like this is a falseflag post. lootboxes suck anyway though, you can jump through hoops all you want but it's still gambling and it's making for inferior products. cash shops in general need to die.
Luke Morales
>children already can't buy lootboxes because you need a credit card and banks don't give children credit cards Its called a debit card and its available to any age. Additionally, new fintech is giving ways of holding available cash without even having a credit card or going to a bank.
This whole argument basically comes down to people who think dumb people should have their money taken if they spend it poorly and people who think dumb people should be protected from their own dumb spending habits.
Pro tip: Dumb people should be protected from themselves. Otherwise they will take it out on society or you. This is why we have forced retirement savings.
Angel Watson
My brother, the gambling addict, says himself that lootboxes take the edge off.
Not similar at all, eh?
Joseph King
How about you think for yourself user?
Alexander Wright
After wasting six digits all the way to supreme court, and they barely, just barely won. Imagine if they barely lost, think of the precedent.
Anything that manipulates the mind of man and takes him out of the full reason should be banned. Decisions made under heavy mental manipulation do not fucking count.
Brody Thomas
I'm glad somebody is FINALLY sticking up for poor downtrodden EA.
Luke Bell
>I don't, but I also want them gone from existence. Why?
Liam Bell
>Enabling devs to become lazy fucks and provide "paid" content which you get at random
Yeah no, fuck off with this lootbox trash.
Jeremiah Morales
>muh freedoms" is wankery and not a real answer. the irony
Austin Perez
I am, and the answer is I personally gain nothing from lootcrates, and I personally lose nothing from them being wiped from existence.
Therefore, what reason do I have to defend their continued existence instead of wanting them gone?And spare me the platitudes and boilerplate bullshit shit time.
Jace Wood
Why is it in every thread people miss the part of it being so children can't purchase it and immediately go to the dumbest conclusion?
Justin Sanders
I stole from my parents all the damn time when I was young and that was for Maplestory and Roblox accessories back in the mid-to-late 2000s. They weren't inplementing random-chance shit at the time. All you need to do is note their card info once, something many vaguely intelligent kids would know how to do with ease. I shudder to imagine how often this crap happens nowadays...
Levi Campbell
So, because some cunt decided she wanted to ban violent games 20 years ago, it's basically carte blanche to the publishers and we're not allowed to do anything to them anymore? How convenient for them.
David Flores
>OP >Total Faggot >EA Status >SEETHING lol
Jaxon Young
>Decisions made under heavy mental manipulation do not fucking count. >a fucking lootboxes The fuck am I reading?
Robert Gomez
Why not? Give me a reason why I should want them around personally. That's what I've been begging for a reason for this entire thread.
Nathan Clark
Government wants gambling bucks from companies allowing kids to gamble vs the corporate tax they are currently getting. Pay to play with campaign contributions or PAC money like everyone else.
Carson Mitchell
>gambling BAD >hardcore sports GOOD Some people need RNG and surprise to get their rocks off, deal with it.
Zachary Green
Bitch, lootboxes are a cancerous practice. I bet you no one will fucking miss them once they're gone, except you; yet, you're a fucking faggot. Not the guy you're replying to, by the way.
Camden Butler
Fuck off. Gambling is illegal in most states, and law should be enforced.
John Anderson
do you not understand how gambling, or marketing for that matter, work?
Grayson Hughes
90% of people defending lootboxes are elitist morons trying to protect their e-peen investment.
Read about skinner boxes etc.. There are many ways to force people into doing decisions they wouldn't do normally. If i hypnotize you to give you all your money to me, it's still theft.
Kevin Sullivan
social security is a scam. people should have the freedom to do stupid shit. the government is not meant to be your babysitter.
Jaxon Green
They take advantage of natural psychological inclinations possessed by human beings in order to generate revenue. In some cases it can border on straight up coercion, especially if the person becomes invested in the experience.
If this passes (which is probably won't because of some intricate argument about the nature of and definite of gambling), then companies will simply mark any micro-transaction game as T or M and then it'll be out of the scope of the bill.
I'm a libertarian and part of the other ~10%, so you are right.
Zachary Diaz
If the market won't regulate itself, the government has to step in. I don't like it, but I dislike disguised degenerate gambling even more.
Connor Lee
EA and the like specifically design the games for maximum psychological manipulation to break players down and get them to fork over cash for loot crates. They have a whole host of tactics. Throttling gameplay progression, tweaking drop rates of loot on the fly, showing you when someone kills you with super-powerful lootbox-only gear to goad you into craving similarly powerful gear, showing everyone on the map when they open a lootbox rather than only being viewed by that individual, etc. And also all of this is on top of the fact that our competitive natures naturally make us do retarded things in the heat of the moment, and they do everything they can to try to take advantage of that.
Elijah Evans
as an aging boomer i think they shouldnt regulate anything entertainment. predatory lootboxes for low impulse control 11 year olds? yes sir. how about gory executions for the kid just learning to read whos decided to play an game he didnt know wasnt for kids? absolutely. id also like to see pornographic imagery in every game they can make it fix, doubly so if its intended for childeren. nothings wrong and nobodys forcing anyone to buy any of it. id also like to see highly addictive substances given away free with every purchase like heroine cocain or both. so if liddle timmy buys 40 copies of the same game to get his fix, it makes him happy and no ones forcing him to break into a neighbors house for shit to pawn off. lets also give these same kids loaded hanguns if they get certain achievements in game too. no ones making them shoot anyone and they dont know the concequences isnt an excuse at that age i fully understood everything at 15.
Isaiah Murphy
How about you don't buy their fucking games and forget they exist, there you go. Problem solved. We live in a time where more games are available to the consumer than any other time, and yet people still insist on gulping down EA's feces. Just move on and let them have their whales. Whales who will eventually move onto the next big bait for them to sink their retard bucks into.
There is no reason why you would want them personally, obviously. You don't care about free market capitalism, you don't care about starting your own business doing whatever you want as long as there is a market for it, and you don't care about having a complex society which involves the cooperation of millions of people with many different tastes and who each require a slice of happiness and relaxation in order to stay productive. You probably just want to live in a completely different type of nation because you're anti-social like that.
James Sullivan
I don't care about the reasoning. as long as that trash is banned
Jordan Bennett
Oh and how is this not a state issue if gambing is a state issue?
Samuel Scott
Away with you, shill. Next you'll defend the ancient company defenses against the laws that banned child labor
Parker Butler
Unlike lootboxes that siphon money away, everything else you've described is harmless.
Chase Lopez
That's my entire question. Why should I care about them being banned. I don't like them. I gain nothing from their existence, and I lose nothing from their absence. There's literally no reason to be in favor of lootboxes other than "something something muh freedoms(TM) if you don't suck corporate cock you're a gommunist"
Eli Rivera
>How about you don't buy their fucking games and forget they exist, there you go. Problem solved Well, obviously not, you fucking retard.
Dominic Green
ok and now they'll have to go to vegas like the rest of their financial cuck kin. too bad, so sad.
Jaxson Wilson
How dare you shitpost on Yea Forums.
Josiah White
I can at least agree that under 18s shouldn't be able to gamble/buy loot boxes. I don't think they should be illegal, but by making any game with them 18+, I think it essentially forces publishers to back off on them since 18+ is seen as the kiss of death. It's a smart compromise.
Jason James
>YOU CAN'T DECIDE YOURSELF IF YOU WANT TO BUY LOOT BOXES OR NOT!!! >But you are responsible enough to vote and own firearms. >BUT BUYING LOOT BOXES?!?!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE NOT RESPONIBLE ENOUGH!!!!!!!
STATISM = MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL!!
Blake Perez
I assume media classification is a federal thing
Elijah Turner
because government intervention is always bad you cuck
Angel Cooper
>if you get rid of shitty lootbox mechanics then you're a gommunist and don't care about small business owners or having a complex society lmao, your mind on lolbertarianism
I know how gambling works, and its not the same as lootboxes. With gambling, theres a chance for you to gain absolutely nothing, with lootboxes, you always gain something
Landon Johnson
Yeah, there's randomization to it, which plenty of people with control over themselves can enjoy within reason, while people with feeble brains get overzealous and don't know how to control themselves. Just like with booze. And instead of trying to strengthen themselves, said feeble brains clamor to have the shit banned so that everyone who isn't a total moronic fuck up can have one less frivolous thing to enjoy in their relaxation time.
Parker Edwards
How is exploitative shit like lootboxes okay in anyone's mind?
Oliver Watson
[citation needed]
guns are good, lootboxes are cancerous, what's the issue here?
Nathaniel Gray
You are 100% a communist for wanting laws passed to outright ban something from the market just because you don't like it.
Mason Reyes
This, fucking government intervention ruined the private road industry.
Cooper James
I can't believe people are libertarians in 2019. Corporations and businesses are actively ruining our society. Don't give me that horse shit "Oh buh muh gubmint susidies." Fucking retards.
Tyler Miller
the people complaining about loot boxes the most arent gamers fag, its the single mom who checked her creditcard bill and sees 80 5$ charges by xbox cod.
Logan James
>I'll lick your boots as long as they don't belong to the federal government! God forbid corporations answer to anything that isn't their bottom line.
Aaron Garcia
Actually a child can't vote and own firearms. Guess by your lolbertarian logic we should legalize that too
Dylan Powell
Gun killed peoples, lootboxes doesn't
Benjamin Foster
now imagine there are so many feeble-minded cretins that booze sales go through the roof, to the point where normal grocery stores close down and get replaced by more liquor stores, and it becomes harder and harder for you to find a grocery store in your town to buy actual food at.
Juan Rodriguez
>lootboxes are fun You are trash as are your opinions.
Elijah Brown
I'm a right winger, and FUCK LOOT BOXES. So inb4 calling me a commie. If you can't agree with that, you don't belong here, newfaggot.
Bentley Williams
It's almost like both of those things are already heavily regulated or something.
Xavier Reyes
The evil part of gambling is the same, the part where they abuse basically bugs of your brain to fork out your money. Or do you think casinos should be legal if they always gave you some useless trinket for participating?
Aaron Harris
Yeah, I should be allowed to hire the services of a profession assassin to supplement the strength of my company's private militia.
Julian Hughes
NEXT THEY'LL BAN VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL CONTENT IN VIDEO GAMES. GET FUCKED AMERIKEKS.
Jose Miller
This is why lolbertarianism is a meme ideology that will never go anywhere and will never have any pull. Because it rots your brain and causes you to reduce everything to the point where any use of state power is gommunism. Yeah, I guess George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were gommunists too because they weren't rothbardian "muh NAP" ancap autists either.
Brandon Price
>supply the demand
now here's how i know you're a shill, you can't fucking speak english properly. The proper way to write this would be "fill the demand with product" , the way you imply it here some autist will take it like "directly supply the demand"
anyways you shill fuck no one's demanding lootboxes it's another fucking hoop to jump through you FUCKING JEW
Connor Moore
This isn't China where everyone is a fucking retard. The average person looks at a lush and thinks they're losers. The existence of shitty people lifts up everyone else.
Evan Moore
It's already banned, you know, ESRB and stuff.
Hudson Gray
Just like most lefties think they're commisars that just haven't been appointed yet.
Wyatt Diaz
lmao, americans love violence. We'll ban partial nudity and rate games requiring you to tear out still beating hearts as E.
Zachary Jones
guns are based, lootboxes are cringe.
Parker Sullivan
I am talking about the psychological aspect of it. Just like a drug dealer giving you a freebie the first time entraps you into buying more (in this example, you know nothing about drugs). Here it works a little differently, since the freebie is essentially that you have been told you "can" win big time, you have seen people win, so you gamble more and more, receiving that sweet dopamine every time (that is the drug itself, in this case). >it's another "muh feeble-minded" argument Weeding out the feeble-minded and not seeing that the entities taking advantage of them are scum at the same time is the biggest fucking hypocrisy there is.
Nicholas Brooks
Except it's not. With trading cards you own the cards, you can sell or trade them individually, you can buy them individually, you don't have to sell your soul (In this example your account) just to give away the stuff, you are guaranteed something worth some value in every single pack unlike lootboxes, and if you are banned from a tournament you don't lose your cards whereas with digital media if you get banned you lose EVERYTHING. It's like if you got banned from your gym now you lose your house, job, car, and livelihood, that's how dumb digital media is.
Nathaniel Lewis
>no one's demanding lootboxes Wrong.
Lincoln Roberts
Gambling is illegal if you're not an adult. Loot boxes shouldn't be illegal, the games that use those mechanics should automatically be rated AO. Problem solved.
Aaron White
>This isn't China where everyone is a fucking retard.
>goes to supreme court >gets ruled unconstitutional Cool
Jacob Gomez
How is this different from buying baseball/yu gi oh card? You are paying something you don't know what you will get, should we bannes them too? why is that isn't considered as gambling?
>Guess by your lolbertarian logic we should legalize that too By my libertarian logic, democracy shouldn't exist. So no one would actually vote. Also a child could own a firearm, but that would be up to their guardians to decide.
These companies spend ungodly amounts of money engineering the most psychologically manipulative and addictive monetization possible. Expecting average people to have to go up against that and always win is just insane.
Technically, you are wrong. Morons demand the "rare" stuff.
Adam Diaz
Well, the ESRB had literal years to do that. But they didn't, they were OK with it, so now shit will happen.
Noah Morris
If children can't take responsibility for themselves, and adults can't take responsibility on their behalf, then how do we make it so children (female) can have a large healthy family before they hit the fertility wall at age 18?
Brayden Carter
a corporation can take control of your kids just as easily as any government
Juan Sanders
This should be the case. Everyone knows casinos are for adults only so seeing the AO rating would immediately alarm everyone to make the same judgment towards these games.
Logan Green
You don't actually believe in personal freedom/responsibility. Stop lying.
Nathan Perry
>corporations use bullshit influence over the government to fuck over consumers >I sleep >once in a blue moon regulations pass that actually don't just hand over the consumer's asshole to the corporate jews on a silver platter >OY VEY THIS IS COMMUNISM THE SLIPPERY SLOPE NEXT THING YOU KNOW WE'LL ALL BE ROUNDED UP FOR WAIFU GAMES YOU BETTER DEFEND EA AND ACTIVISION LIKE A GOOD LITTLE GOY, WHAT'S THE MATTER DON'T YOU LIKE FREEDOM???
Oblivion and Horse Armor might carry the mark of the first but the market was rip for the move towards microtransactions. If Bethesda didn't do it, someone else would have.
Dylan Brooks
Is he aware that he dresses like a villain? If so I give him credit for owning up to it at least
Gabriel Edwards
Bobby Kotick should be killed, along with all other (((CEOs)))
Jacob Gray
they are, the difference is they weren't as damaging because of physical limitations for one (hard for a kid to over spend at a grocery store), so it kinda went under the radar. Wouldn't have shat my bed if they were banned, honestly.
John Mitchell
>mafia number games were, by the numbers, more fair and less profitable than state lottos when they weren't fixed The real clownworld was with us all along.
Alexander Turner
>These companies spend ungodly amounts of money engineering the most psychologically manipulative and addictive monetization possible.
LMAO like doing what? Adding some colorful effects or some different color of text?
I mean people pay more in TF2 simply because a weapon has a different colored frame lol.
You also give the better stats to the "rare" stuff.
John Green
>Gambling is illegal for minors >Gambling is illegal in most places >Make corporations follow the fucking law
Good. Fuck off.
Andrew Carter
I used to. Then people kept wasting their money on imaginary lottery tickets
Jacob Ross
>first my loot boxes, next my DLC! this is gommunism!
Jaxson Adams
There's a reason he wore a white suit to his second E3.
Angel Lee
He means you're a consumer cattle cuck, a.k.a: asian, a.k.a: goodest of good goys and half of China ensures by any means necessary to prop up test results, even falsifying them. Anything for the glorious state. Too bad anybody with half a brain can take 1 look at that god forsaken shit hole and deduce the average intellect as being closer to that of a nigger, dog eating trash.
And then the same people who shill their fake-and-gay free market nonsense will flip out when you embrace the free market by pirating.
Jayden Morgan
I'm a left winger and I think lootbox regulation would be better than an outright ban. If full grown adults want to blow their had earned cash rolling for mobage shit I say let them have it. What I do have a problem with is the wombo-combo of psychologically exploitative practices and absolutely no oversight whatsoever all while targeting children who don't know any better and teens who on some level do know better but are still developing in the crucial decision-making area so they do it anyway like teenagers will oft do.
Although I do see how a ban is preferable to allowing things to continue the way they are right now. If a ban is the most politically expedient way to stop children from getting exploited by this shit right now, then I see the point. i just don't think it should be the end goal is all. I know people who like gambling, and millions of people went out to an inhospitable desert and built a city of neon because gambling is fun.
Parker Lee
Blizzard is worried about hearthstone packs being considered for this bill too. DCGs aren't the same as TCGs
Christopher Cook
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“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
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I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him."
Grayson Peterson
the next revolution won't be against the government, it will be against google and we will kill the executives and their ministers instead of the tsar
Blake Barnes
While in general I am against most regulations and in favor of the market coming to a solution, loot boxes should be regulated because they exploit a physical defect in humans. Namely, we can get a dopamine rush from skinner's box designs. People don't want to get addicted to loot boxes, but our brains are hardwired to get addicted to things like loot boxes, so they should be mildly regulated the same way other self destructive things are (cigarettes, alcohol, etc.); they shouldn't be banned, but there should be safeguards in place to make sure they're only used by consenting adults.
Alexander Howard
Believe it or not, there was 2 threads before and all reached 600 replies in under an hour. It's a hot fucking topic of the day
Christopher Baker
Gacha shit is just as bad. Even half of the faggots on /vg/ hate it.
Camden Hill
>Then people kept wasting their money on imaginary lottery tickets I mean, people waste money on real lottery tickets so...
Sebastian Mitchell
>I'm not going to need the younger generation ever in my life. Fuck off retard
Kayden Collins
Ah yes, the smell of fresh shilling in the evening.
The libertarian way to do things is the one that cause less collareral damages, like slowly chiseling something. But you ain't removing that mountain with a fucking chisel, you need explosives for that. Of course, explosives are dangerous and messy and cause a lot of collateral damage you have to fix later, but will do the job.
Cameron Fisher
Gotta build a toilet somewhere in the house
Camden King
Because he was always on their side to begin with. Funny how he convinced the very people he was screwing over that he was somehow had their best interest in mind.
Andrew Reed
git fucked lootbox sympathiser lmao
Noah Butler
I'm gonna assume resetera is mad about lootboxes being banned? Is this why this fucking moron is making a shitty thread?
Eli Murphy
Libertarians are much like communists. They both have these super autistic world views that are so up their own assholes that they never even bother looking up at the real world to see if any of their theories actually hold true. both of their mantras may as well be "that works in practice, but does it work in theory?"
And just like how communists require some perfect utopia where everyone is free of greed and somehow work together perfectly, libertarianism/ancapistan requires everyone to somehow act as these perfect rational economic actors that are always 100% informed on their decisions, collectively enforce NAP, never fall for psychological manipulation, and so on. It's all just autism and mindgames.
Ethan Brooks
>He means you're a consumer cattle cuck, a.k.a: asian
So you think Yea Forums is made out of mothers? It's not possible that for example there is a large number of individuals that might be mad that the games are being ruined because half dozen idiots pay thousands of dollars in virtual casinos?
Hudson Collins
I agree with you, but that's a lot of words to say "we should try, within reasonable limits, to keep children separated from potentially deleterious and habit forming activities."
Julian Hernandez
I hope you're excited for overpriced DLC to come back when this bill becomes law.
Christopher Thomas
Makes sense, since those trannies always find a way to always suck corporate cock and side with mega-corps over consumers. I'm guessing their thought process is "gamers are evil racists, fuck the consumers, hey the big corps hate consumers too, wtf I love mega-corps now"
slippery slope this freedom of speech that. anything that hurts EA is a good thing.
Nolan Smith
No parent teaches their kid to lie or steal, it's learnt from a young age through instinct. But sure tell me how you raise your kids to never lie to you I'm all ears.
Brayden Robinson
Without the lootboxes you might actually be able to vote with your wallet this time, so it’s a small price to pay
Ryder Moore
cool story bro
Ian Robinson
I said I was left wing, not succinct and to the point.
Jordan Foster
1. Trump didn't make this new law. 2. Lootboxes are cancer. 3. Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>conflating libertarians with SJWs they both ignore human nature
Robert Lewis
Slippery slope is a thing. Did Hitler kill every Jew overnight? No. And gun laws work the same way here. They gget taken away slowly as we speak. Slippery slope is not a fallacy, the government is never satisfied when they legislate something. They just have to legislate a little more, and a little more, and a little more.
Dylan Torres
Libertardians fail to grasp that lootbox bullshit is built upon the whales. 99.9% of the free market could refuse to buy any and at least one addict will eat that shit up and make it worth shitting up games for.
Daniel Morales
That's not how this works. Jewish microtransaction practices aren't some zero-sum game where if a company can get an average of 5 dollars in lootcrate money from the consumer, that they decide to reduce the price of their concurrent DLC by 5 bucks to "compensate".
No, they try to maximize profits. They already try to get as much money as they can from the base game, then try to get as much money as they possibly can from DLC, then try to get as much money as they possibly can from lootcrates, and so on.
Christopher Peterson
>Shoving my money down the garbage disposal for a random chance is "Fun" >"STOP TELLING POTENTIAL CUS-I MEAN PEOPLE TO STOP SPENDING MONEY ON LOOT BOXES, THEY HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO BURN MONEY ON UNIMPORTANT SHIT THAT'S BEEN FLUFFED UP BY THE MEDIA TO INCREASE SALES!"
I shit and piss in the same bowl, what's your point?
Wyatt Hughes
>human nature Nice meme.
Nathan Campbell
>only two democrats sign it So dems are pro-lootboxes?
Brody Hughes
You miss the forest for the trees.
Owen Collins
DESU just legally ban kids from the internet, let only the savvy fucks who can figure their way around the system in, they deserve it.
Aiden Johnson
bullshit. A child is first lied to, the concept of deception foisted upon them by their parents. >It's okay, you can tell me and I won't be mad >gets pissed and yells and throws shit at you So the best avenue is to not say anything and deny everything if asked.
John White
>strawman >Americans More like fatsyburgerman
Jason Morgan
>gambling has been illegal to sell to minors since the prohibition era >Yea Forums doesnt care >Loot boxes are now gonna be illegal because they are gambling >Yea Forums loses their minds pic related
Of course Trump wouldn't make a law like this. He turned out to be nothing but a 100% shabbos goy who reneged on all the main tenets of his platform. He never lifts a finger for anyone, not even his base, and only ever gets something done when it's what his kike son in law jared kushner wants.
Ryder Collins
Yea Forums would be a fucking barren wasteland
Austin Murphy
Everyone in this topic clamoring for government intervention is a retard and masturbates to loli, prove me wrong.
Colton Ortiz
Fair enough. It's just banter. This is Yea Forums; off the cuff rudeness is somewhat customary.
Ryan Barnes
Dems are lootboxes.
John Howard
holy fuck, you've got child psychology all figured out, you fucking genius.
Jack Diaz
Underrated
Asher Martin
Would be an improvement.
Landon Gonzalez
at least one person in this thread is a corporate cock-sucking faggot, prove me wrong.
Cooper Foster
Get the line right at least
Angel Ross
>I want devs to continue being forced to waste development time on the same fucking cosmetic cancer and microtransaction memes instead of improving the game
>/pol/ niggers now defending loot boxes since. Leftist candidate tried to ban them
Levi Ramirez
You got me, can't resist the cunny.
Samuel Murphy
reminder
the people who whine about this are the same people who want to regulate social media because they can't keep themselves from saying the n word every 2 seconds
Dominic Peterson
You'd have quads.
Austin Rivera
I'm natsoc as fuck and I want that shit banned.
Easton Ward
yeah fuck the government every company should be allowed to attempt to swindle and bully you psychologically with malice without repercussions They're not 'gambling', they're 'surprises'!
Jace Lewis
What’s the n word? Everyone says it’s bad but they never say what it is
Camden Hill
>m-m-muh lefties
Nigger I'm not the one who can't keep his credit card in his pants when it comes to MTX and shitboxes.
Justin Flores
newfag
John Jenkins
Well at least we agree on one thing If commies win I'll make sure you get the luxury gulag If you win can I get the fast gas chamber?
Charles Green
The bill isn't even in Senate you dumb niggers, literally all it means is >two senators who are democrats said on twitter or some shit that they like it
Levi Ward
Monopolistic social media platforms should be treated and regulated as utlities. Your water company or ISP can't kick you off and leave you high and dry just because you said nigger, and neither should facebook/google/etc. Not when they have that sort of centralized power to themselves.
Josiah Morales
I can almost respect your zeal to milk flossing children, and indoctrinate them via corporate outlets, but it still seems kinda wrong.
Connor Lopez
whats the word for bootlicker when it's multibillion dollar corporation instead of the government?
Dominic Martinez
A better plan of attack would be cheating/hacking the cosmetic bullshit, getting banned and going about a class action suit then bust out some Nintendo v Galoob shit. It would draw out can you legally charge somebody for software they've already purchased in a court room
Noah Gray
so just don't play games with lootboxes fucking retard. let whales waste their money on crap. there's plenty of other games you can play instead. banning lootboxes isn't about stopping companies or whales, it's about needing the government to stop you because you're too stupid to just not play the game.
Gavin Perez
gambling is illegal
David Perry
deal. also tulsi 2020
Easton Johnson
irony.
Oliver Gomez
Uh, I don't think the people that want regulation and the people saying nigger are the same people. Those are kind of opposite ends of the spectrum.
Angel Perry
If mommy and daddy can't at least make sure their baby sitter technology isn't guzzling their kid's lunch money everyday, then fuck 'em. Why should I care?
Julian Smith
fuck off you retard
I absolutely hate stupid bootlicking niggers like you. You are literally thinking the way corporate shills want you to think, you are not their friend and thinking like them does not make you more successful. You are just striving to line their pockets with dirty money while they make your games shittier and shittier.
You probably are just an angry EA employee mad that they cut your salary to drive the brainwashing into your head that dirty business practices are needed. Your CEO makes several thousand times more money than you, more money than you could even conceive, more money than one man could spend in ten lifetimes. All because he can, all because he has hit the top and he has nothing driving him forward other than his corporate greed driving him to collect more and more of his filthy cash just so he can show off to his other extremely wealthy friends how high his returns are. He's only making more profit for himself for sport at this point, all by exploiting your poor, boot-licking little ass.
I almost feel bad for you, but in the same way I feel bad for the animals I eat for their flesh. I know you're not intelligent enough to make human decisions, so I don't feel as bad for you as I would a person with a functional brain.
I'm against government intervention in general, but honestly, fuck lootboxes.
Ryder Torres
What if they refuse to make gay lootboxes?
Ryder Ross
>Yea Forums cared when it affected gaming
Wow, almost as if it became video game related or something. Truly we live in a society.
Isaac Sanders
Stop defending corporations you fucking cuck. They don't give a shit about you. Loot boxes make games objectively worse.
Robert Bailey
Gambling is only illegal in two states.
Oliver Robinson
>Natsoc voting for a democrat I'm confused
Noah Wilson
EA inadvertently saves the gaming industry.
Robert Wood
Fair enough. But this is why I stopped being a left leaning lolbertarian.
Justin Hill
>dude lmao just stick your head in the sand
once-good franchises are being actively ruined being ruined by the focus on lootboxes and other microtransaction kikery. And likewise, since these tactics are so lucrative, more resources get shunted toward making more games like this, and less toward making good games. That means less good games because they're being replaced by microtransaction fuckfests instead.
This doesn't just affect the sole individuals who engage in lootbox bullshit.
Nolan Powell
I think the biggest difference between TCGs and most lootboxes/DCGs is that digital cards almost always have no resale value while a TCG that card could be worth thousands on resale.
Now I realize that with some DCGs/Lootboxes you can Buy-Sell/Trade and there is an aftermarket for this stuff and that's something I'd like to see all lootboxes/DCGs employ, preferably by law.
Caleb Watson
why do you want lootboxes so bad, user? Are you by any chance addicted?
Charles Baker
The real truth is this, plus the fact that the richest of this minority spend billions brainwashing the populace into thinking the state of affairs is good. If you defend corporations you're either rich or being fooled.
Brody Stewart
>/pol/ >Liking corporations
Jace Ward
It's really not that confusing. Assuming you vote for a populist Democrat, they tend to be much more socialist. Or at least present themselves as such.
Dominic Powell
nazis were economically left-leaning
Lincoln Barnes
...
Easton Anderson
How about you stop thinking like a retarded boomer who just sees things in terms of democrat-vs-republican. Trump is a zionist shill and lied about his entire campaign platform. I don't agree with Tulsi's social liberal shit, but Trump isn't doing anything about those issues anyway, and at least she's staunchly anti wars-for-israel. trump promised to be against these retarded jewish wars, but then prompty went back on that and started warmongering with literally everyone anyway.
The free market doesn't work, libertarians kill yourselves
Mason Wood
They were also insane baby killers, is that the point you want to make? There’s a reason they were the main bad guy in shooters for a long time
Jordan Perez
I thought the socialist part in natsoc was more of a formality to get people to join Must be mistaken then I guess I have just associated natsocs with /pol/fags who whine about degeneracy 24/7
Christian Thomas
Online gambling is illegal in all but four states, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Nevada.
Nicholas Rodriguez
Yeah no, the "free market" if allowed to run unchecked will go full retard. If you don't believe me ask the third world Indian """software engineers""" Boeing subcontracted to for $9hr to work on coding/testing for the 737 planes, you know the ones that killed +200 people in two separate flights.
As far as I'm concerned it's a good thing they are working on banning Loot boxes. Fuck them, fuck EA and fuck anyone using that bullshit including the gatcha cancer in Japan.
Bentley Wilson
If retards wanna spend their rent money on lootboxes and anime tiddy gacha instead of being responsible, let them. Same with parents who let their kids have their credit card numbers.
>If they didn't want that, they would've dialed it back and self-regulated. This is exactly what's supposed to happen when they become rampantly money-grubbing to the point where they're bypassing laws through technicalities. well said user. this is exactly why i stopped being a lolbertarian
Tyler Watson
right, because not being allowed to sell gambling to minors infringes on your freedom
Do you think banning 10 year olds from gambling in casinos is infringing on freedoms? Fuck off. You are an absolute retard, this has nothing to do with freedom, this has to do with you loving to guzzle billionaire cock.
Letting a child play a game and letting them spend money in the game are 2 completely different things
Zachary Thompson
50% of the world's population is comprised of weak-minded, spineless cowards who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. This includes soccer moms, pearl-clutchers, those type who go "Won't someone think of the children?" the minute something even remotely challenges them. These are the kind of people who are responsible for every government regulation that ends up fucking us in the ass. Not the politicians, they're just filling a demand. The people who crave this supply of hyperregulation and totalitarianism. Point is, that stupid people should be taken advantage of and blamed entirely for it. It's a dog eat dog world out there, and if you're not going to bite you're going to get bit. We live in a society where people demand to be coddled and treated like children their entire lives. Let me tell you, there is little worse than being coddled against your will because some crybaby doesn't like that something they dislike happens to exist. Death to soccer moms.
Blake Butler
>Same with parents who let their kids have their credit card numbers. That bill can not pass soon enough.
Logan Hall
The market cannot be relied upon to be moral. If a laissez-faire capitalist can legally exploit you, they will.
Jonathan Morales
How dare OP be expected to take responsibility for ruining video games.
Jaxson Torres
It's NazBol who think they're clever for shilling an unironic communist that will take away people's guns and open the borders, "Because she's based on the syrian war"
no, the point I want to make is that they were economically left-leaning.
Samuel Parker
>Some believe that unbridled capitalism would benefit them by giving them a more affordable living situation >It's not always some retarded belief These two statements contradict each other
Andrew Turner
Is the rest of the country afraid of computers that much?
Nicholas Barnes
nu-/pol/ is jew/pol/, they're all just run-of-the-mill republican fucktards now
Cooper Evans
Alot of the times the kids steal the card Communists support gun rights user Atleast I do and so do some of my conmiefag friends
Nolan James
>yes please daddy gubmint poz my neghole
Fucking tards without their wranglers are the worst.
Isaiah Lewis
damn, some people really do only get their history from video games and movies
Gavin Ramirez
We don't benefit from lootboxes though. So there's no reason not to get rid of them if they're received so negatively anyway.
Henry White
It was definitely in response to what became of the Weimar republic, as far as degeneracy. I'm not a wehraboo or an antisemite, but I can see where the crazy fucks were coming from.
Christopher Walker
And everyone on the internet is secretly gay
Xavier Perry
Thing is it isn't just guzzling their kids money it's guzzling their money too tens of thousands at at a time because that little shit didn't realize every time he hit that "1000 energy" button he charged his mom's credit card $199.99 which was already tied to the phone account.
Ryder Collins
explain why open borders would even be a bad thing
Joshua Carter
Random card packs should have been made illegal as well
Joshua Phillips
>You probably are just an angry EA employee
Why do you give these people such high credit? He's just a cavity crippled toddler paranoid that the end of loot boxes means his favorite game will stop trying to make cosmetics entirely and will not be able to act hot shit when he pulls a random chance gold fag skin.
Adults can decide to buy (or not buy) lootboxes. Also adults can parent their kids from buying lootboxes. Not every social aim must be achieved through legislation. Dilate.
Mason Jenkins
What's the problem?
Kayden Thomas
If it fixes video games then so be it. This nightmare of having to buy save slots has to end
William Johnson
Only commies are afraid of computers. There’s a reason why none of them can code.
Henry Collins
good developers make good games. shitty developers make shitty lootbox games. banning lootboxes isn't somehow going to turn shitty devs into good ones. they will just make shit games that fail or figure out some other way to jew people. do you really think that if blizzard couldn't make money from hearthstone and overwatch they would be forced to make a diablo 4 that doesn't suck? get real, the people with the talent for that left the company a long time ago.
I don't play lootbox games so they don't affect me. inviting the government to regulate my hobby has a bigger chance of fucking things up than letting stupid people waste their money in games I don't play.
Hudson Collins
>If a laissez-faire capitalist can legally exploit you, they will. So much this
And I would do it too. If I had an idea which I knew exploited people but made me a shitton of money I would do it.
Then after 20 to 40 years of exploiting people I would open a charity and donate a lot so everyone loves me for being a nice generous person who cares about the little guy.
Leo Johnson
>They were also insane baby killers Look, the Nazis did a lot of fucked up shit just like the United States and Japan did during the same time period, you don't have to make shit up to make them seem worse.
Carter Kelly
Right now I'm supporting Tulsi and Yang. Tulsi because of her staunchness against zionist wars like I said, and Yang because $1000 and the country is going to shit anyway, so might as well collect that moneybag on the way out instead of welfare exclusively going to niggers and trannies and retired boomers on social security.
Nigger just don't play the fucking game, holy shit. It isn't hard.,
Liam Thompson
Adults can decide to let (or not let) their children gamble in Vegas. Not every social aim must be achieved through legislation. We must legalize gambling for children
Kevin Collins
>How dare other people have fun. Yea Forums in a nutshell everyone.
Then why call yourself a natsoc? So many people have associated natsocs with the retards and will probably dismiss you as one as well, even though you are actually pretty smart
Henry Taylor
Nah dude, don't you know? Nazis used to play Frisbee with the kids as Frisbee
I live 3 minutes from Tijuana. I thank the good Lord every day they're on the other side of the fence. Gun shots heard every night.
Andrew Roberts
EA is that you?
Nathaniel Jackson
>Adults can decide to buy (or not buy) lootboxes. Then why are games with lootboxes allowed to be outside of an AO rating?
>Also adults can parent their kids from buying lootboxes. Minors can still have an income
> Not every social aim must be achieved through legislation. Not an argument
>Dilate. Have sex.
Ayden Walker
I'm a commie and I like yang, he's my backup vote personally How are loot boxes fun?
Tyler Young
good developers get shitcanned and/or gutted from the inside out and replaced by shit developers who do their overlords biddings and make lootcrate games because they make more money. This really isn't a hard concept to understand. They have a detrimental effect on the state of the games industry and I see no reason why anyone who's not a corporate shill would want them around.
Justin Flores
The rampant communism in this country is pretty sickening. I bet they're mostly Eastern European.
Dominic Barnes
wtf I hate the age of consent now
Elijah Davis
Not taxed.
Gambling on American soil can be taxed.
Its like lottery tickets. Overwhelming the people who buy them are uneducated and poor, but its a great way to raise tax so fuck them right?
Chase Jones
That isn’t working user. So no, I’m done just ignoring the problem
Lucas Wood
I'm not a national socialist. If anything, I'm your stereotypical burger. I have guns, and fireworks, and steaks. And tomorrow I'm going to enjoy firing all three. I was just putting in my 2¢.
>How are loot boxes fun? Well, how is roulette fun? You make a bet, and if you win, you feel like destiny chose you, plus you make money with little effort.
Carson Scott
That man is a Ventrue. I have absolutely zero doubts about it
Nathan Edwards
>Eastern euros >Wanting to go back to communism There's like a single country that wants to return back to the soviet era and I think that's Moldova. And the only reason they want to is because of how shitty everything is after the collapse of the union for them.
Brandon Young
>I hate my country and I hate my people >Please let me control you by voting for who I want in power
Nathaniel Cooper
Why is it not an argument? It's a valid point. Blacks in the 1960s won tolerance by campaigning for it without saying that the word nigger should be banned. >Have sex Tranny
Ayden Nelson
I'm not even mad about the legislation. I'm mad that people still don't learn from their fucking mistakes after every single opportunity they have been given. History repeats itself solely because no one learns from it. Stupid people are some of the worst possible things to be around. Because Valve actually knows their shit and doesn't buy into the corporate culture crap that every other AAA company does at this point. They know what's at stake. The minute some fucko at EAor some other shitshow fucks up hard enough, Tencent is going to swoop in. You think shit is bad now? Try having China get involved.
Matthew Sanders
Saved
Ryder Cooper
Big king gubmens isn't going to help your hobby.
Nathaniel Adams
if they have talent that can make their own company. it's easier than ever to get a game published these days. if you think this is a problem you are some npc who thinks only ea and activision games are worth playing.
Zachary Sanchez
Who's your first, bernie? I guess he's the least-offensive of all the "most likely to actually get the nomination" candidates this time around, since people like Biden and Kamala and the rest are neoliberal corporate/zionist shills. And I would've liked him if he stuck more to his guns instead of selling out and making a bunch of concessions to the corporate-controlled democrat establishment. Still not a fan, but he's still better than those other fags.
Hunter Ross
Ah okay Have fun with the fire works and guns user! Last question How do you like your steak?
Angel Edwards
well you're either a dumbass or an accelerationist, which is also stupid
you will never see $1000 a month from the government, you're going to give your vote to someone who will not even begin to try to give you what you deserve
the only smart move is to vote trump simply because they all hate him, otherwise you're just get varying shades of hillary regardless of republican or democrat
Mason Foster
Parents of this generation dont understand what kids are buying with their money. And they dont ask either.
I bet the generation raised playing vidya will stop their kids buying this shit. I know I wont allow my kids to buy anything but games and dlc/expansions for it. No cosmetics ever, and no loot boxes ever.
But the average boomer has no fucking clue about any of that, which is why kids can drop $200 on this shit and parents just think 'its for his game/he got a new one/i have no clue but hes happy'
Anglos is a race of coddled retards. What else is new? Americans is following daddy UK, just like Aussies. Soon, hate speech will be a part of the US constitution and you can report posts with the same urgency as cp
Nicholas Ortiz
468974436 >>>/resetera/
Lucas Diaz
I prefer medium rare, but I'm no bitch, so I'll eat whatever as long as it isn't shoe leather.
Brandon Ramirez
Based!
Ethan Baker
The problem with your logic is if you allow the stupid people to get taken advantage of concerning loot boxes then Video Game development in general gets outright destroyed.
Oliver Nguyen
Cant hurt it much more than lootboxes have. So I’ll go with the other option
Michael Morales
who are you quoting? also when will you learn that demoracy in a multicultural societey doesn't work and will always just devolve into each tribal faction acting to extract as many resources from the state as possible at the expensive of the other groups? The only people who haven't realized this yet are whites, sadly.
John Hernandez
The fact that you're okay with ham-fisted regulation when it serves your interest just goes to show how this board is nothing but hypocritical fucks. Lets see how you react when some hypercuck effectively decides to ban games including any form of nudity from being sold in the states on the grounds of morality and responsibility
