How can Ganondorf be back? Wasn't he permanently killed at the ends of TP and WW?

Something something unending hatred of an asshole, something something magic curse.

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Why doesn't someone just wish on the Triforce to end Demise's curse?

The Japanese Zelda website has an official timeline, and every branch ends in BotW. It has some mutually exclusive elements from different timelines too. So the most sensible explanation is that some sort of time fuckery convergence event forced the branches back into one unified timeline, which BotW is the product of. Presumably Demise's curse is what keeps bringing Ganondorf back.

>taking zelda story serious

>It has some mutually exclusive elements from different timelines too
like what?

What curse?

>2019
>still giving a shit about an unofficial timeline made up by autistic fanboys that had too much time for themselves and not enough hobbies
Stop.

What game is that?

>the zelda timelines are converging and now the botw link and zelda have to fight all of the ganons from each timeline.

Wow

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Looks like For Honour.
It's shit.

Humanity's curse to buy Nintendo's bullshit no matter how recycled and old the product is.

It's more that BOTW is so far into the future that the events from all three timelines ended up happening in all three timelines anyway. Given a long enough timeline, everything happens at least once. It's been so long since OOT that it's ceased mattering which timeline is which anymore.

>Fisrt two games are directly connected
>Third game is sold as a prequel bof the first and fourth game is a direct sequel
>Fifth game is then made as the origin story and the next two games are a direct sequel
>Shit only gets worse from there
>Hurr durr every game is just an standalone title never meant to be related to the others
You you people just love talking bshit you don't Know about it simple never played more than two Zelda games.

The most concise thing is just the fact it has both Rito and Zora, for one.
You've also got one of the memories mentioning both the Hero of Time, who is Adult Timeline, in the same breath as the Hero of Twilight, who is Child Timeline.
Then you've got a bunch of little things like Koroks being Adult Timeline while Lynels and Hinoxes have only ever been in Downfall Timeline games.
Vah Medoh is named after Medli, the Rito sage from the Wind Waker, but Hyrule's looking pretty good for having been wished to be "washed away" by the King. The Master Sword should be stuck in Ganondorf's head at the bottom of the sea too.

So, in order for it to be any one timeline, you have to reconcile a bunch of things that don't make sense for that timeline. In order for it to be one timeline, you just have to assume that somehow a convergence event can happen.

How does the "hero defeated" timeline work, anyway? Link losing in OOT is canon but in no other game?

Not really, the references to WW are on the same caliber as flavor text meanwhile you get direc mention of events taking place in OoT and TP.

After 10.000 years the rito can appear on their own and so the koroks.

The demise's curse that binded the hero and the goddess' incarnation to fight his descendant and his malice for all eternity

Look mom i'm hating on a game people like xD am i quirky and unique yet?

Works as a "what if" scenario. Basically shit never actually happened but also it did happen.

>permanently killed at the ends of TP
Was he? I know Dorf was washed away after WW

Because Zelda games makes 0 sense. Is a game for kids and babies in general.

Don't ask about serious lore or anything related, pretty much like Mario games. Bowser will never die and Mario will have to rescue Peach 23094029340238423089490238489234892349802374 times. Same than Any Zelda game.

Sorry, who's Demise? "Fight his descendant and his malice for all eternity"? That sounds fucking retarded, and if it was canon, it would completely ruin the Zelda series by making the battles against Ganondorf pointless while also justifying making the same game over again.

Good thing it's not canon, and Nintendo didn't make any game like that! It sure would suck if they pulled a George Lucas and sold out!

>Zelda: Go on, Link! Be free! Go back to your own time! Live life and be happy!
>Link proceeds to spend the rest of his days miserable, alone, and unacknowledged
Shouldn't the Triforce of Wisdom give her a heads-up about this?

It's also because Nintendo is so fed-up with that stupid timeline they just wanted to shut this shit down. Hopefully it works, timelinefaggots are the worst

I want to lightly slap my friends face whenever he spergs out about Zelda timelines and lore desu

Hylia is just that stupid.

I imagine merging timelines would make for a bit of a clusterfuck, but isn't this a case where the creators pointing to "magic, ain't gotta explain shit" or"a wizard did it" would be good enough of a justification?

>Good thing it's not Canon

How about you play this game and stop embarrassing yourself?

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>it would completely ruin the Zelda series by making the battles against Ganondorf pointless while also justifying making the same game over again.
Took you long enough to understand.

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So,

>Child Timeline
Shota Link stops Ganon from getting the Triforce
> Adult Link
OoT ending. Ganon gets the Triforce of Power
> Link Defeated
Link dies and Ganon stays in power
?

I have played that game. I pretend it doesn't exist because it fucking sucks.

user, have you not played skyward sword? it was the best selling zelda game behind BoTW

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LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

WW had the best Link/Zelda/Ganon. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Personally, I'd blame either the goddesses or the Triforce. Imagine Nayru, goddess of order and natural law, gets back from whatever the hell it is the Golden Goddesses do in their spare time to find out that fucking moron Hylia split time into thirds playing with her mortal boytoy.

user SKYWARD SWORD IT'S REAL AND EVERY ZELDA GAME AFTER IT REFERENCES IT IN SOME WAY, YOU CAN'T DENY IT'S EXISTENCE EVEN IF IT SUCKS

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So? it's the first zelda game in the chronology and sets the events for the entire fucking franchise. You could even argue that Twilight and Ocarina aren't canon but Skyward Sword is mandatorily canon
Also it's not that bad, it has pretty visuals and fun gameplay. You just need a wiimote plus and know how to move your arms

Its not even that bad you big baby

lol, OP your anal virginity's the only thing that's been permanently killed

Really wanted to get into this but the motion control retardation killed it for me

Where do the cd-i games fit into this?

They're illegal canon.

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>zelda doesnt have linear as fuck story telling
>zelda bad, zelda for babies
in conjunction with the proper punctuation and reddit spacing on Yea Forums, this whole post makes you look really dumb user

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this, the timeline isn't canon and nobody on the dev team refers to it while the games are being made
stop trying to connect stories that obviously don't fit together

Ganondorf is pretty much impossible to get rid of. Even if you kill his physical body, his spirit will hang around and wait for some absolute madman to resurrect him, or he'll be reborn to do the same shit all over again. The Demise curse picked Dorf as its' favourite host, so he doesn't really have much say in the matter. He'll keep returning and get his shit slapped, becoming more and more pissed off every time he fails. As Calamity Ganon, he doesn't even care about the Triforce anymore, he just wants to stomp on all civilization.

>cutscene link can take out like 7 lynels at the same time
>still loses to ganon's minions
??

You're correct, it's the only reason I don't hate that game, all three personalities were perfect.

Why do Link and Zelda bother sealing away Ganon every time instead of just murdering him like WW Link did? WW Link is a Chad.

>and every branch ends in BotW.
No it doesn't. BotW is just placed outside the timeline.

Cause no one can gather the whole Triforce user. Ganondorf continuously reincarnates possessing it.

Cause if you kill him he'll just come back sooner, reincarnated into a new body, to repeat the cycle. If you seal him up you can at least hold him in one place much longer.

Then why does Zelda have the whole thing in BOTW? The royal family got it at some point before the OG Zelda, too.

that was the "sealing power" that in her bloodline

if you care about about the Zelda """timeline""" you are the kid that even the outcast loners made fun of in school
it does not matter, the devs don't care about it, the producers don't care about it, no one at Nintendo cares about it, it was created with the sole purpose of making you retards shut the fuck up about this irrelevant crap
and even after the big middle finger they gave to all the lorefags with BoTW (which literally did everything in order to shit on all the continuitytards mouths) you irredeemable autists continue to discuss the non-arguments of where the game falls in the timeline
it's fucking impossible to have any discussion about Zelda or the BoTW sequel without you mouthbreathers bringing up this timeline retardation
eat my shorts

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>Urbosa says that Naboris was named after Nabooru
>By that logic, Rudania and Ruta should also be named after Darunia and Ruto
>The Rito don't have a Sage, so they take another hero from ancient legends, Medli
Also, if WW wasn't involved, the Koroks would still be Kokiri, since nothing happened to force the Kokiri to change into Korok, like what happened in WW.
And evolution doesn't work like that. An intelligent race of bird people doesn't pop up in 10,000 years. Meaning either the Rito were there all along or members of another race randomly turned into birds.
BotW only make sense as either an entirely different timeline outside of every other game in the franchise, or a convergence of all the timelines into one.

If the Gerudo only have one male every 100 years, Ganondorf's descendants aren't simply going to stop appearing in the world because some curse is lifted, or Link kills him. Ganondorf isn't just one guy, it's several guys, like Link and Zelda.

>every time
OoT Link stabs Ganon directly in the face, but Ganondorf still somehow ends up getting sealed in the Sacred Realm by the sages after, so you can hardly act like OoT Link did less than WW Link. LoZ Link kills Ganon straight up, since Zelda II is all about his minions trying to revive him. LttP Link kills Ganon and then kills Ganon again in the Oracles once he's been revived. TP Link stabs his Ganondorf straight through the chest. FSA has him get sealed in the Four Sword, I think, so those Links fucked it. Pretty sure Ganon gets murdered again in LBW, but it's been a while.

Unlike Link and Zelda, Ganondorf is literally always the same guy, just revived from the dead over and over.

There's actually a little interactive thing on the Japan site where you can pick what timeline to explore, and BotW is one each timeline's page at the end.

>The Rito don't have a Sage, so they take another hero from ancient legends, Medli
Medli is a Sage.

Aonuma literally doesn't give a shit about continuity beyond references, he put out the official timeline for Skyward Sword, introduced a 3rd split from OoT that shouldn't be logically possible, then ignored it for BOTW.

They put Rito in TP HD.

That's almost true. FSA fucked it by having Ganondorf get a regular reincarnation, same as Link and Zelda do. It's the only Ganondorf so far that isn't OoT Ganondorf in some way or other.

iirc Ganon was basically a vegetable in LBW, Yuga just pulled his comatose body out of the underworld so he could possess it for that triforce of power. Then Yuganon blew up so Ganon got double dead.

That's what I'm referring to. It's not at the end of each timeline, it's just separate.

The official timeline that Nintendo made up is mostly bullshit but many of the games are direct prequels and sequels to other games.
>Zelda 2 is a direct sequel to Zelda 1
>ALttP is a prequel to the Zelda 1
>LA is a direct sequel to ALttP
>OOT is a direct prequel to ALttP
>MM WW and TP are all direct sequels to OOT
>WW has 2 direct sequels
>SS is a prequel to every game in the franchise
All of the other aspects of the timeline are made up like the “fallen hero timeline” and shit like that. That being said BOTW is too ambiguous to be placed anywhere on the timeline at all. The only thing that’s 100% provable is that it’s after OOT but that isn’t saying much.

Ran out of stamina

>local villain slain, has his body restored, used as a puppet, and is blown up

First, it can't be the Adult timeline because WW Link perma-kills Ganon forever. Literally purges the evil from his soul and "frees" him of the desire to conquer Hyrule.
The fact that there are Rito in BOTW doesn't disprove this statement because they added Rito to cutscenes in the HD version of TP.
Furthermore, if it really were the adult timeline then having landmarks like the Temple of Time would be impossible since "old" Hyrule was washed beneath the sea permanently, forever.
It's either the child timeline or the hero defeated timeline. On one hand, you have explicit references to the Twilight realm which leans it to being the child timeline. On the other hand, you also have explicit references to the Hero of Time who never existed in the child timeline, leaning things to the hero defeated timeline.
Things also lean more heavily to the "hero defeated" timeline because of how much more insistent Ganon is at resurrecting himself in that timeline, relative to the child timeline. I guess the bullshit with the Twilight realm happened off-screen in the hero defeated timeline at some point in the 10,000,000 years between OOT and BOTW.

TLDR there is compelling evidence to suggest that BOTW belongs to the hero defeated timeline.

BotW has the worst story of any game and that's saying something
Totally ignores previous games and is a mess of feeble attempts to characterize Zelda

>they added Rito to cutscenes in the HD version of TP
What

>Totally ignores previous games
That's a feature

Sorry, they added them to murals on walls

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Fuck, I love lurking the Zelda lore threads.

>Seriously believing Nintendo would permanently kill off the main antagonist of the series
>Assuming he died in TP and WW for good when that was never confirmed and it's just assumptions based on nothing solid
What is wrong with these type of Zelda fans? You must be the kind of person who creates or watches dumb theory videos like "WAS LINK DEAD ALL ALONG?"

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They're 15 year old niggers who play Majora's Mask 3D and Breath of the wild and then watch garbage MatPat videos and think they are Zelda historians

Where the chicken people fit into this?

the carpenters at Kakariko village got really horny one day

I think Zelda references the hero of time specifically in that one cutscene where Link is being knighted along with the “embers of twilight” thing she says too.

Although Nintendo was involved to some extent, I don't look too much into the murals in HD TP because it was made by another studio.

he can be resurrected from TP. I dont see him coming back from WW though unless he was reincarnated.

i thought child timeline was when link decided to go back to being a child at the end. And adult timeline was when he stayed an adult

Or your dumb timeline is just bs to satisfy autistic fans

At the end of Oot Link went back in time to his child self, so there is no Link in the adult timeline which is why WW happened.

I mean, you can just go "t-that doesn't count" but then what's even the point of talking to you at all?

>Wasn't he permanently killed at the ends of TP and WW?
>Wasn't he permanently killed twice?
>Permanent
>Twice

I'm eating bait right now aren't I

They're different timelines

different timelines

why is the botw soundtrack so good?

Ganon is just as much part of the reincarnation cycle as Link and Zelda. The cycle that started with Hylia, Demise, and the first Link.
Even if he dies, he's just reborn again later.
Although, there existing a BotW 2 invalidates the theory that at the end of BotW 1 Zelda used the full triforce to permanently kill Demise, since it was stated in BotW something along the lines of "he abandoned the reincarnation cycle" or "he abandoned physical form" "for pure power to finally succeed in his goal" or something.

It wasn’t. Listen to Biosphere or Brian Eno for better ambiance.

Also I still maintain that BotW is at the end of all three timelines merged together.

it was

>implying this is bad
youtube.com/watch?v=FifGMifUfW8

that doesn't make any sense how the fuck can timelines merge

It's a universe with literal goddesses and a magic triangle.

the end of BoTW is Ganon giving up on a physical body and assuming a form of pure energy
he spent those 100 years trying to create a body (weird centipede inside the coccoon in the castle), probably because his human body (Ganondorf) was sealed underground
we see in the sequel trailer that there was more energy seeping out of the body, so the Calamity Ganon that we see in BoTW might not be the full extent of Ganon's energy that exists in the body

>the three goddesses made hyrule and the triforce
>the triforce splitting in oot is the divergence point between timelines
>triforce absent in botw
obviously the world turned into three worlds and merged back, you just can't think four dimensionally

Christ you can't speak English for shit

What is the name of Link's motorcycle divine beast? Vah Epona?

Zelda arguments in a nutshell.

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>the only link that has 100% canonically had sex
WW Link is so boss

Nintendo needs to shit out zelda games

>How can Ganondorf be back? Wasn't he permanently killed at the ends of TP and WW?

Ganon/Demises' Reincarnation can't be permanently destroyed.
He can be temporarily slain, sealed, or otherwise 'stalled', but he has something resembling a vital, permanent, divine essence or aspect and he cannot be denied.

TP even acknowledge the fucked up nature that was and is how Ganondorf just seems to be the 'true heir' to the Triforce of Power.

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>dude it was just a prank lol why are you mad??
what the fuck was Din's problem?

>people don't realize BOTW is a soft reboot

BOTW acknowledges all timelines, even though it doesn't make sense.

Getting rid of ganondorf/ganon is like getting rid of bowser in Mario, it's never going to happen for good.

That doesn't make any sense. In one timeline the Hyrule is underwater. If they merge what happens to that ocean. What happens to the people

Din hates Hylia for ruining everything in the first place.

>the only link that has 100% canonically had sex
OoT Link. WW Link is a spaz.

SS Link definitely got some too.

SS Link is a loser who accepts his miserable existence so nobody really cares.

And OOT Link

We don't know if those are Rito or not, specifically unless the game specifically calls them Rito. There are multiple bird races in Zelda.

It looks like a duck man, user, come on

There's a bird race that look exactly like that yet isn't a Rito. Go play more Zelda, moron.

not really, it's the scenario where child link never end up finding the master sword, so future ganon ends up winning.

Downfall: child link never find the master sword

Child timeline : story after ganon defeat after link is back as a child and put back the sword in it's place

Adult timeline : link does not go back just kill ganon and continue its life 7byrs later in future OoT

I thought it was the future timeline that adult link had to abandon at the spirit temple because he didn't yet have the silver gauntlets and thus needed to return to the past.

Well, in the oracle games Twinrova revived Ganon.
Even in Zelda II, his followers wanted Link's blood to revive him.

Ganon is an ancient and powerful force of nature and a god to the people of Hyrule. There are many who follow him and wish to bring him to power. Even BotW had the Yiga clan.

Every time he fails he rages more and more. He chilled out a bit in WW and it still got him nowhere.

I mean, think of that little voice that blames others and gives you depression. That's the only thing Ganondorf thinks about because he's sealed and frozen in time for hundreds of years at a time.

Demise's curse is so ancient that no one even knows it. Link and Zelda probably didn't even understand that Demise had placed a curse on them at the time.

If this is true.
Hyrule Warriors fits that bill.
>its all about Cia fucking with timelines for her husbando

Demise, an evil demon God cursed link and Zelda and his curse presumably is doing something for gannondorf. It wouldn't surprise me if that could revive him or reincarnate him. Also remember that ganondorf himself is a very powerful wizard so he can do some bullshit too.

If you think about it, BotW Hyrule is ridiculously ancient. Before the starting point of BotW a 100 years had already passed. And before that the last battle with Calamity Ganon was 10,000 years ago. I don't even think humans have lived so long on Earth (don't quote me I don't know and I didn't feel like Googling).

Of course, the King took the threat very seriously so the battle between Calamity Ganon and the forces of good, including the Guardians while taking place 10,000 years ago could have had some other battles in between in the meantime.

I feel like BotW took place after Wind Waker. The sea salt for instance, the mountainous terrain, how ancient the kingdom actually is (over 10,000 years) the Rito and Zora existing at the same time.

proper human civilization is about 8-10k years old, starting from proper settlements and agriculture

The obvious answer is that BotW doesn't follow TP or WW. It follows the downfall line, where Ganon had obtained the full triforce and became an immortal god.

if you go by biblical terms. years you are right.

if you go by physical evidence we have. its around 100,000 years.

The timeline idea was the worse thing to happen to Zelda. It sounds like a great idea. it feels like they retroactively made the timeline when meme got big enough for them to recognize. since they announced it they have all but ignored it outside of lip service.

Oh god I just realized Ganondorf might talk if he progressively gets unzombified throughout the story like in The Mummy. Please don’t give him a shitty voice Nintendo.

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He was raised by women in a village of women. He will sound appropriately effeminate, and have fabulous hair.

Nah sorry to say user but you Nintendites are the bane of the gaming society as a whole and these opinions you've voiced have only adviced any onlookers into the reality of your idiosy

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Skyward swords story for people who didn't play it:
The three great goddesses created the world and everything in it. They left the world in the hands of Hylia, a lesser goddess and returned to the heavens. The goddesses left hylia a small part of their power, the triforce in case anything bad should happen. Eventually the demon king demise, basically an evil God, invaded the world with his minions (all the monsters in zelda). With great difficulty Hylia sealed him temporarily. Recognizing that the seal would soon break she decided to find a champion to defeat him and reincarnated herself as a human (Zelda). She and link go on journeys and he eventually gets the triforce and defeats demise. Zelda (Hylia) makes it so that link will keep reincarnation and demise curses them for all eternity. This curse comes in the form of ganon.

>WW Link perma-kills Ganon
I thought this was impossible.

Wrong, Vah Medoh is named after Mido. The original sage of Wind (later Fado)

He is

Inevitable

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Well, the Koroks are just the Kokiri taking a more natural shape. We could even say that's their normal shape and they changed to appease the fact that they had a Hylian amongst them back in OOT.

>thinking the legend of zelda follows a consistent timeline

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I heard a theory that the curse of demise was passed to the main bad guy of spirit tracks and that the curse isn’t always going to be specifically Ganon but I’m not sure

im pretty sure his curse trapped those 3 in an endless cycle.

My theory is Demise is not just Ganon/Ganondorf but Vaati and all the others as well.
Ganon was just the most powerful avatar he has got his hands on.

I never understood this mindset.

If anything, Demise helped Ganondorf to become a god. It's still Ganondorf doing all those things, but his power comes from an even more ancient evil.

Not impossible in the child line or the adult line, because Ganondorf didn't get the whole triforce there.

>The goddesses left hylia a small part of their power, the triforce in case anything bad should happen.

From the game:
>It's impossible to know the true reason why the old gods created the Triforce. But I have a theory of my own.
>The gods created the Triforce, yet they specifically designed it so that their own kind could never use its power.
>Somehow, I think that may have been their way of giving hope to all the mortal beings of the land.

>...Which brings us back to you.

>To face Demise and give the land hope, the goddess, Hylia, needed someone with an unbreakable spirit. That someone is you, [Link].

Hylia had no way of using the Triforce herself, so it's less that the Triforce was left in case anything bad happened and more that Hylia was left to watch over the Triforce to make sure nothing bad happened with it. That's part of why she needed a mortal champion to begin with.

Human civilization dates back 15k years at least, and modern humans have been extant for, I think it's something like 80k years

But those are kokiri/koroks not Rito that doesn’t really add up

But due to that curse, Ganon cannot be perma killed as he is fated to reincarnate forever with Zelda and Link right?

Well, the whole point was that Link could finally live the rest of his childhood. He was probably pretty immature emotionally in the adult timeline.

Also, how was Zelda supposed to know Link would grow unhappy living in the peace that he helped create? Also, he did have actual descendants (TP Link is his direct descendant) but none of his actual children or grandchildren wanted to be knights like him.

>How can Ganondorf be back? Wasn't he permanently killed at the ends of TP and WW?
nintendo is too afraid to break status quo and will just endlessly recycle the same zelda stories despite the most fondly remembered ones being ones which broke the pattern.

I'm just trying to read between the lines because otherwise it doesn't really make any sense, although you're right that its a bit confusing either way. Its just my assumption that they left it with her so she could give it to a champion if need be.

That was just generic villain death ranting. It means nothing.

>STOP HAVING FUN WITH THIS THING YOU LIKE

That's what you sound like.

Yeah, it's ultimately meaningless but it's fun.

I always considered every LoZ game to just be its own iteration and have a self-contained timeline. Unless of course, in obvious examples, such as MM following OOT, and the toon Link games. They all share a specific in-universe setting that other LoZ games do not.

Not even parallel world shit, as in, they're not directly related to one another at all; they are all self-contained. This was the consensus for decades, or so I thought. Why is Nintendo making an over-arching story for this shit, it makes no sense.

Unless they start doing it with BoTW (a change in direction) it makes no sense.

Yeah, Hylia really fucked things up for being a virgin Mary analogue.

Only Gamecube kids struggle with the idea of a timeline because Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are what made it more complicated than it needed to be, obfuscating what were originally pretty clear connections with needless divergent timelines.

Let me show you the kanji to clarify things.
Vah Medoh uses
神獣 ヴァ・メドー
Medli uses
メドリ
Mido uses
ミド

Notice how Medli and Medoh share メド. Also, Mido was not a Sage at all. Saria was the Kokiri Sage.

This, timeline autism was a mistake.

>Also, how was Zelda supposed to know Link would grow unhappy living in the peace that he helped create?
Try telling an Syrian child soldier to stop what he’s doing and go back to being a regular child.

Ganon is immortal in the downfall line. That's were he obtained the whole trifroce and wished to be the new demon king to replace Demise as a god.

He died in WW. Some villain will always be around because villains are always around, but there is no special reason for it to be Ganon. Same goes for TP.

You can kill ganon dorf but u cant kill demise. Who i think is pure malice and waits for the opportunity to posses ganondorf again after that seal (the hand) is gone.

It wasn't exactly shown what happens to Ganondorf at the end of TP.
>Stabbed
>Neck telepathically snapped?
>left standing in a field

Pretty safe to assume he was either killed, fully executed further, or maybe imprisoned in a comatose state.

The Master Sword was likely removed from his wound.

Not that guy, but apart from the dungeons SS is pretty lame.
Lame characters, lame world, lame progression.

The only thing I like about SS is the visual direction and story, I guess.

IT made sense with WW and TP, ALTTP being a what-if scenario where Link dies was a dumb as hell.

What about the games that state in game that they are direct sequels to prequels of other games like said?

>three goddesses
>three timelines
>they bring them together for the final showdown to end the curse once and for all
>any game after that is a low stakes adventure with link and ganon as rivals instead of arch nemesis.
>they eventually become Adol and Dogi tier bros. and get revived/reincarnated every other generation to adventure around for fun as their reward.

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lol no. Why did you believe that?

I wonder if there is some way to break the curse or if any Zelda game will attempt it.

If you think about it the lore of Zelda is pretty fucked up. The three goddesses created the world and just left, surely knowing there was an evil God with a horde of monsters who could attack it whenever he wanted. Zelda is a world where God abandoned it but the devil still exists, a pretty interesting concept.

>but there is no special reason for it to be Ganon
To be honest, I'm just assuming that due to their similar looks Demise will always reincarnate as Ganon. Same applies to Link and Zelda.

It’s their fault for selecting someone so incompetent like Hylia to housesit for them.

Is there any way to completely destroy a spirit?

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Link must become incorporeal and kill Demise with MS drenched in the blood of a thousand monsters

>Lame characters
Groose, Zelda, Impa and others ooze character. Hell people never seem so animated and interesting as SS. I'll give you the world design was much more boring, although being able to interact with much higher level beings made the world itself more interesting to me. Multiple demigod level entities are just a casual stroll away and that gives a greater feeling of power to the world around you

>Twilight Princess
>stabbed in the heart with the Master Sword
>turns into a statue

>Wind Waker
>Stabbed in the forehead with the Master Sword
>turns into a statue

To answer your question, no. Ganondorf is never "killed", he is merely sealed. He also always escapes the seal. The only "permanent" death we've been given so far is at the end of Breath of the Wild when Zelda claims he so completely gave in to the Malice that it utterly destroyed his essence and ability to reincarnate. That said, every instance of Ganondorf in the timeline after Ocarina of Time is literally the same man. The only reincarnation his soul has undergone so far is when he was destroyed as Demise and then is reincarnated as Ganondorf.

Not true. Ganondorf only ever had the Triforce of Power in TP because Zelda accidentally broke it by sending Link back in time (while in possession of the Triforce of Courage). He also had it in Wind Waker because he was sealed in OOT with it in hand.

In every other game Ganondorf does not have the Triforce of Power unless he explicitly steals it.

Nope, the "sealing power" refers to the blood of the Goddess.

Link to the Past and the games that chronologically followed it were only forced into a what-if timeline because of details gleaned from WW and TP. Ocarina of Time appeared to be a normal prequel at the time.

>When Zelda claims
Well we've learned that she's pretty incompetent in this timeline, so her words are probably wrong. That coupled with the fact that we see a very Ganon like mummy in the teaser for the sequel.

I think the problem with SS's characters is that there's too few. Groose was great, Zelda was good when she showed up, impa was fantastic. Girahim was alright I guess. But that's about it. The side characters were boring and there were few main characters.

Zelda was a fucking awful character in SS

I used to believe that the Zora evolved into Rito. But I kinda feel like the Rito were always there.

They're even featured in some background art in the Temple of Time in TP HD.

Also, the Koroks are magic tree people. They could have easily always looked like that except for the time when Link was living amongst them.

Collect the whole triforce before fighting him, like in SS.

TIT HAS BEEN SO LONG IN THE FUTURE
AND THE CYCLE HAS REPEATED ITSELF TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT THE TIME DIVERGENCES IN CAUSED BY THE EVENTS IN OoT HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEGUN TO EVOLVE CONVERGENTLY. THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN OTHER TIMELINES ARE MIXING IN FROM OTHERS BECAUSE THE CYCLE IS THE SAME IN ALL OF THEM.

IMAGINE IF SPILLED DIFFERING AMOUNTS OF SALT INTO THREE DIFFERENT CAKE MIXES, IF YOU KEEP ADDING INGREDIENTS, THE SALT WILL EVENTUALLY BEGIN TO NOT MATTER.

THIS IS NINTENDO'S WAY OF SAYING "FFFFFFUCK THIS TIME BULLSHIT AND FUCK THIS GREEN TUNIC".

>the one time the Goddesses actually do anything they flood the fucking place
Thanks guys

>I used to believe
In Wind Waker the Zora DID evolve into the Rito.

No, at that point she's come into her full power and the wisdom it brings. She's had 100 years to learn as she struggled not to be devoured by the Calamity Ganon.

I throught that in WW the gods gave the Zora wings so they could survive after the flood since they can’t live in saltwater or some shit since there’s no fish in the great sea other than the talking ones

A texture from Twilight Princess HD used in the Temple of Time. Argue about this motherfuckers!

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I'd be willing to bet this is actually a completely different Ganondorf. Even the "ancient history" of BotW is a long time in the future of the rest of the games.
The real question is how he's alive when BotW said that Calamity Ganon was the result of Ganon giving up his ability to reincarnate. Either that's been retconned or there is some sort of fuckery going on we don't understand yet, like maybe that isn't really Ganondorf as we understand him (the human form of Ganon)

One thing that raises some questions is that Demise wanted to seize the Triforce and use it to conquer the world. Which suggests that Demise is even able use the Triforce, something we know is impossible for the gods. So, Demise isn't the same kind of being as the Golden Goddesses or even Hylia. Which means either there's stuff the goddesses didn't create, or they're the ones that made Demise too.

BotW was more of a small translation issue.

In the original text, it's more implied that he has accepted the malice form for the time being.

>Why is Nintendo making an over-arching story for this shit,
because it has been a fan theory/meme for a long time.

as you pointed out there are games that are directly connected. while others have references to other Zelda games.

but lets be honest here. Nintendo had no plans about a time line until the 25th anniversary of the series starting. when they wanted to really push that book with its main attraction being the timeline.

Since than they have ignored the timelines. it is really only there for fans to talk about. it has no effect on the games they make.

The great sea is cursed to not really support life in general, specifically to keep what's hidden below a secret, it's not because it's salt water or whatever.

I refuse to believe they made demise. That would be too retarded, it would make negative sense. There were 3 goddesses so there were probably other God like things existing too.

>That said, every instance of Ganondorf in the timeline after Ocarina of Time is literally the same man. The only reincarnation his soul has undergone so far is when he was destroyed as Demise and then is reincarnated as Ganondorf.
See

Yet she was more of a character than literally every other iteration barring Tetra

>It has no effect
It obviously has some effect when races and characters get re-used.

Oh, and the Ganondorf husk seen at the end? That's very likely the body the Calamity Ganon came from when his hatred gave way to the Malice. The hand clutching his chest is a sealing power, and the dark energy seeping out is his essence giving into the Malice, which is what gave birth to Calamity Ganon, the Blights, and the corruption of the Sheikah tech. Dark Beast Ganon was just his essence and the Malice combined into it's own form without cobbling together Sheikah tech as a body.

I also cant get that shit to work on my emulator.

I don't understand? Why wouldn't child Link be known as the Hero of Time when he explicitly comes out of nowhere, holding the Triforce of Courage, knowing shit from the future, and telling a story that he just got sent back from it?

It was enough to convict Ganondorf for treachery.

Maybe Din is just that much of a bitch.

I liked the story and how it was mostly about Zelda and things being forced on her that she was honestly not prepared for. Very princessy shit.

It was more on Zelda’s incompetence. The flooding was trying to wipe the slate clean.

But they're all gay! I'm pretty sure they would have fucked each other first.

>how can ganondorf be back?

You defeat him in EVERY zelda game dude come on

>Yet she was more of a character than literally every other iteration barring Tetra
Midna, she wasn’t a waifubait character like Zelda in SS.

I think they mean among other Zeldas, user.

I don't know about you, but I love it and listen to it all the time during my commute.

Midna isn't Zelda ding dong.

Yeah, that fits way more with what seems to be implied when you pay attention to the details. Calamity Ganon is not Ganon/Ganondorf himself. It's his essence and the Malice taking form with Sheikah tech cobbled around it. Dark Beast Ganon is just that in a pure form, without the tech.

I mean, yeah, that other post says exactly what I did, just with different words (other than mentioning FSA, which has been summarily ignored in every other game since).

>It wasn't

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That's a mistranslation.

The English version says he abandoned reincarnation and used his full hatred to blow shit to hell.

The Japanese version says that he was so consumed by wanting to reincarnate that his malice spread during the attempt.

...it had a soundtrack?

I wish a Zelda game would delve into the Sheikah. We know almost nothing about them but they have likely existed before any of the other races and they've developed a bunch of super advanced technology that really makes no sense in an otherwise mideival world.

Is the Princess ready to make the Royal Family again?

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Why discuss a game you didn't play?

>Medieval world
Fantasy. Not medieval.

The Adult Hero of Time killed Ganon, ie Ganondorf the Usurper, the one that destroyed Hyrule in the Adult Timeline. When the Sages sent Link back in time to live out his childhood, he warned everyone of Ganondorf's true intentions towards Hyrule (to usurp the kingdom). THAT Ganondorf was sealed away, he would later fight The Hero of Twilight further along the Child Timeline.

The Ganondorf we fight in WW is the very same Ganondorf Adult OoT Link killed, but WW takes place in a rupture of the main timeline divergence (ie Child and Adult timeline split) called the Hero's Fall Timeline, where Adult OoT Link falls in battle (either by Ganondorf's hand or simply by failing his quest). Power Level wise, that means WW Link is a baller ass motherfucker, because he (as a fucking child) beat a guy OoT Link failed to defeat.

Ganondorf (the red headed Gerudo king) is always the same one in every game, HE doesn't die and come back... Ganon, the personification of Demise's power does.

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I mean, there were stings, but I thought those were just audio queues. Did the switch version have music that plays for more than twenty seconds?

Fuck no, the Royal Family are incompetent shits

Nope, Hyrule Historia says Link was defeated in the Final Battle and Zelda, in a last ditch attempt, gathers the sages and manages to seal him.

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Thanks for that data! I knew it was somewhere around that time frame.

See The timeline fuckery caused by OoT has essentially been turned to a blip. We don't know how long it's been in each individual timeline. There's no way to know.

The extent of everyone else's technology is making steel weapons. Meanwhile they made a 100 foot tall giant mechanical camel that can shoot a laser and create storms.

and what effect on games did it have?
Remember only BotW and ALBW came out after they announced the timeline.

ALBW did nothing with it. they did more with alternate realities.

BotW had a mix of atleast 2 time lines
>Rito only existing in WW timeline
>Lynols and spectacle rock are only in the kid timeline

>ruins in the desert look like Arbiter's Grounds
they all but ignore it.

You might think that, but in TP he says he never got shit for recognition

>WW takes place in a rupture of the main timeline divergence (ie Child and Adult timeline split) called the Hero's Fall Timeline, where Adult OoT Link falls in battle
WW is Adult Timeline, which is the timeline where OoT Link stabbed Ganon in the face and then got sent back. WW Ganondorf got stabbed in the face twice and WW Link didn't even have to fight him in Ganon form.

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Congratulations you now realized the last 20 years of Zelda games have been shitty cash ins devoid of any ideas.

Yeah not only did Link basically lose his childhood innocence but he's not even allowed back to Kokiri Forrest because Navi ditches him at the end of the game. Hero of time Link is the saddest shit. He gets a raw fucking deal.

>Remember only BOTW and ALBW came out after they announced the timeline
Perhaps it's too early to say whether it has an impact on the games then. Maybe they came out with it as an excuse to re-use the races and explain why Link/Zelda/Ganon/Dorf are so prominently featured in most the games. I guess we will have to see as more Zelda games are released where they go.

>Link was defeated in the Final Battle and Zelda, in a last ditch attempt, gathers the sages and manages to seal him.
That's really not that different from how the game actually ends up ending, why is that worth a new timeline? Either way, the sages seal Ganon at the end of OOT.

They were devoid of ideas since day one.

Ocarina Link can't have failed in the same timeline as Wind Waker. Why would they have built a giant statue of him in the castle if he failed? Losers don't get statues.

Bait, but enjoy your (You).

Some things are off though.

There was an ancient hero before SS Link. Hylia wanted him to defeat Demise again and had his spirit reincarnate. She then reincarnated herself as a human just to be with him.

Of course, I think this is all BS. Hylia was obviously a human with great powers in the ancient past and over time became a goddess.

>initially let down that Ganon never spoke in BotW
>realized it was a blessing in disguise considering the rest of the voices
I think only Patrick Seitz and Jamieson Price could do him justice.

Id guess the royal family kept everything a secret so that the people wouldn't freak out.

Ocarina is always canon no matter what, it's the point where the timelines split.

Well, Malladus was already terrorizing New Hyrule before Tetra got there. From what I understand, Tetra helped the Lokomo seal him away.

BotW merges the timelines. This may make no sense to you but it is a very common trope in Japanese fiction. The way this works is if you think of time as not a stream on many tiny moments but as one bigger "thing." Think if you draw a circle on a piece of paper, you have changed part of the paper but past that part there is a part that is unchanged. With this kind of thinking while one action may change things in the short term, the long term is unaffected. Like I said you see this a lot in Japanese fiction.

Also why she needed to be mortal herself. Not so she could fuck her hero as many here have said.

Excuse me? E Xcu s e Me? How dare you talk in such a way about this game For Honour. You have no right to make such rude accusations such as the informal trash talk that was spoken from your words. I really hope this isn’t your serious opinion. Are you seriously going to act like this? Are you really going to have to make me do it? I don’t think you understand exactly what you have ran into buddy by typing the words you just did. The question I’m asking myself? How did it feel to be you in the exact moment in which you thought it would be okay to post something as horrendous as your comment. I’m really gonna have to do it, huh? Look what you’ve made happen. You really don’t understand. Only time will tell what forces of the darkest depths I will summon upon you in this here world.

>n excuse to re-use the races and explain why Link/Zelda/Ganon/Dorf are so prominently featured in most the games.
you hit the nail on the head.
dont get me wrong the timeline theory is fun but it has no impact on the games.
it is not like the team is sitting there trying to fit the games in to the timeline.

BotW took them 6 years to make.
they had plenty of time to get time line details right. they did not. they dont care and understand the "timeline" is just for fans.

I think it's because they somehow manage to seal him while he has the complete Triforce, so the sacred realm becomes a shithole with amazing BGM

I dunno, I thought it was some sort of reference and it made sense. Kokiri/Koroks have been associated with Wind before. Even in OoT the original sage was not going to be of the forest but of wind.

The reply to this post or your mother dies in her sleep curse

>Patrick Seitz is his English VA and Takehito Koyasu is his Jap VA

God please yes!

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It’s more of fuck you from Aonuma even thou he started this mess in the first place.

Only dumbasses think there's an actual timeline after they immediately went against the "official" one by making BotW.

I wouldn't be surprised. And all you fuckers fell for it!

You have to be a complete dumbass to think otherwise after they already gave us one.

Huh, that's pretty interesting.

This is why making an official timeline was a horrible idea and is Hot Topic tier

Zelda actually says that she, as Hylia, reincarnated so that she, as Zelda, could inspire her chosen hero to become a hero that would be worthy of the power of the Triforce. Remember how Ganondorf approached the Triforce in OoT but it scattered because he wasn't deserving of it. Just having the hero's spirit wouldn't have been enough, so she had to make sure personally that Link could use the Triforce.

Ganondorf shared his power with Zant and linked their souls as a safety mechanism.

If Zant dies Ganondorf can revive him.
If Ganondorf dies Zant can revive him.

Zant broke his own neck at the moment of Ganondorf's death in order to destroy the cycle. Why? I don't know.

naaw
>time lines from the start or close to it
Good Idea

>time lines forced in 25 years down the line as a reaction to the fanbase
Bad Idea

>she, as Zelda, could inspire her chosen hero
Then fucking OoT happens and the complete opposite happens.

Okay fine. The main characters were great.
Every character past the mains where LAME. I think it's important because they give the world its life.

>and in AlttP Ganon was able to get his hands on the Triforce and turn the whole world in to a shit show
they had no idea about a timeline being a thing until SS.

TP Ganondorf doesn't turn into a statue. He was just wearing very stiff and heavy armor and died standing up like a boss.

Demise is demon. I assume the three goddesses didn't not create them, sens the story only ever speaks of them reshaping the surface of hyrule, why the demons came up later from beneath the earth.

Except Zora do exist in Wind Waker's world. You can fight the old-style Zoras in Phantom Hourglass and they even come from the water to surprise you.

Mains: Link and Zelda. these are your focus characters that the plot revolves around
Secondary: Groose, Ruto, Minda. people in this level have screen time and play a part in the story
Tertiary: everyone else

OOT Adult zelda must have been such a bitch since she would probably have known how bad of an idea it was, even without the clairvoyance that the triforce of wisdom gives her. And Navi leaving him for seemingly no reason is even fucking worse, since she HAS to know that doing so would lock him out of the forest forever.

>Hey link! Thanks for saving the kingdom an all that, but I'd feel bad knowing that I stole 7 years of your life just to save us all, so I'm gonna send you back m'kay?
>Hey link listen! It's ya gurl Navi! I'd just like to say that I've changed my mind about being your friend, you nearly got us killed multiple times and I'd just like to start a little fairy family on my own so I'm just gonna go... Oh and by the way, without me you will never be able to go back into the woods and meat Saria again, just so you know. KAY'THX'BAI!
>TFW no one remembers you or what you have done to save their lives
>TFW had no real friends outside your hometown that you can now never go back too
>TFW too young to find a job to support yourself
>TFW the only other living being that you can trust is an animal
>TFW nearly die of starvation and getting your ONLY companion stolen looking for that bitch Navi so that you can go back home

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reee

Okay here's why the timeline exists. OoT was extremely popular. Thus, they decided to make ALL OF THE NEW GAMES sequels to OoT, because a sequel to OoT would sell more. Majoras Mask, WW and TP were all sequels to THE SAME GAME. Obviously that made no sense which is why multiple timelines became necessary to explain why they made 3 sequels to the same game.

It's the Downfall Timeline, so presumably this is Ganondorf having reclaimed the pieces of the Triforce from Link and Zelda, which probably satisfies whatever criteria the Triforce grades people on. Even still, the Triforce rules lawyered him and interpreted his wish to rule the world as a wish to rule over the Sacred Realm, transforming it into the Dark World in the process, but leaving the regular world untouched.

Phantom Hourglass isn't in "Wind Waker's world" per se. You end up in the Ocean King's realm, a parallel world like Termina.

Din isn't explicitly evil or good. None of the goddesses are and its reflected in the Triforce not being able to differentiate between good and evil. It just makes the wish. And the golden goddesses just are.

>Midna
>Not Waifushit

Come on, her design is a super sexualized monster girl.

You're a super sexualized monster girl.

I would never say Hyrule is medieval. Sure it has aspects but they also have cameras and intricate machines.

Time travel tends to fuck things up. Hence the multiple timelines.

So here is my theory. After Demise was first beaten by Link and Zelda he later rose up again. But instead of the hero who rose to defeat him being Link it was a Gerudo King who stood with Zelda.

This was the first incarnation of curse and it was by far the fucking strongest. They realized that they were fucked if this kept happening. Their solution was both brilliant and terrible. They replaced the Gerudo King in the cycle of reincarnation. They replaced his soul with the sentient part of Demise's Curse creating the Ganondorf we know. The soul of the Gerudo King is the arm we see sealing his own corpse which has the majority of the curse within it.

It’s sexualized if you make it sexualized. Midna never makes her imp form sexualized, despite what impfuckers would like you to think, she loathe that form.

That's less a theory and more just blatant fanfiction.

Fuck you homie

The difference is that Ganondorf is sealed with the complete Triforce leading to the creation of the Dark World within the Sacred Realm.

Link HAS to go back to the past before everything bad happens, because by the end of OoT because he doesn't "belong" in the future. He could stay, but there's nothing there for him. The Sages are all dead, and Zelda is responsible for rebuilding a destroyed kingdom that was, by definition, a victim of genocide. Him getting to prevent that future is a bonus.

As for Navi, she HAS to leave Link at the end of the game. He's not a Kokiri. He was only allowed to have Navi because the Great Deku Tree gave permission for the partnership to happen. Once Link's journey was done, Navi's mission was complete, and she had to depart.

OoT Link wasn't a victim of negligence, he was a victim of causality. The fact that he was even adopted by the Kokiri is because his father was butchered and his mother was hunted down until she died on the Kokiri's doorstep. He was never meant to have a happy life.

Even better! Motherfucker took a sword to the chest when he was flat on his back, and then STOOD UP.

Fuckin based trips. Twili >>>>>>>>>>>> impshit

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But they mention the Hero of Time all the fucking time.

Not in the time line that he went back too.

I mean yes we know virtually nothing about the next game so anything that actually tries to pin down any deep details of the plot is going to be fanfiction. There isn't much to actually theorize on other than who and what will be involved.

What are you talking about? Zelda is the one who specifically sends Link on his quest for the spiritual stones and the master sword. And Link just does it because she asked nicely.

This. It’s not canon with any timeline it’s a new canon and I couldn’t be happier. Timeline autism needs to be purged

Are you seriously saying Midna isn't a main character when the whole plot revolves around her?

I hope like that other user thinks that it's a merge of the timelines.

She broke the dude’s spirit and doomed Hyrule to a watery grave because she sent him away.

The music feels very twilight or at least other worldly. Can anyone get the video to play backwards? the music is playing backwards, maybe that would give us a hint.

>Midna, the Twilight Princess, is not a main character of a game called Twilight Princess

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Navi left because her job was done. That doesn't mean they weren't friends. She just had to move on.

Also, Link was friends with Zelda, and by proxy, the Royal Family of Hyrule. He becomes a knight under their banner with his own custom armor.

Also, he can go into the forest whenever he likes. He starts Majora's Mask while riding through the Lost Woods and later left to grow up and become a knight.

I'm interested where they go with Zelda after botw. I have to imagine botw2 is the last game we will see in the timeline for a long time if not for good. It's so far into the future it's ridiculous.

Thanks user, I've been working my glutes and my asshole has never been tighter!

You do know that the timeline shit is all bs. They just made it so the theory faggots can stop asking them how they are connected.

She's naked and has them hips which she always sways in her idle animation. Then there's the moaning and the tsundere attitude. How is she not sexualized?

yea yea my bad.
i meant to put medil(sp?) the bird bitch from WW. and have Minda as a main.

HE'S A BOSS

I wonder how big his cock is.

timeline shit is dumb and I'm glad botw ignored most of it

>How is she not sexualized?
Because the game never makes it sexualized, you do.

Hey, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. She only ever wished the best for him.

>TP
Probably.
>WW
Seemed more like a seal.

But resurrection is a thing, could be an Agahnim type of deal.

tbbfh

>ignored most of it
it did the opposite and embraced that shit which is why you have ritos and zoras in the same game

Her design is implicitly sexualized, not her character.

>muh curse
So fucking tired of his meme. Ganon isn't possessed by some curse, Demise was not literally cursing anything, he was just saying "you'll always have to fight SOMETHING bad"

Don't you get bored of posting this in every thread?

>Fought off like 20 guardians while protecting Zelda without a shield
>Only collapses after he sees Zelda is safe

it just mixed all the cool shit from all the different games which is fine really

Ganon isn't possessed, he's the reincarnation. Just like Link and Zelda are, Dorf is usually the result of the reincarnation.

>they embraced their spliterd timelines by just fucking ignoring the things that make them different!

could someone explain to me how and why the timeline splits in OOT? I know there is some time travelling in that but shouldn't there only be two splits? One where adult link wins and one where he doesn't?

BotW is a separate timeline entirely Nintendo confirmed it, to answer your question unlike the timeline shitters is that Calamity Ganon was the 'spiritual essence' whereas the Re-Dead Ganon Nightmarefuel is his original 'sealed' body. To put it simply, they destroyed the manifestation, but not the source. As to why they sealed him instead of killing him outwright could be to prevent future reincarnations from happening, and instead permenantly forestall the cycle, but ultimately we will not know until we play the game.

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>adult link wins
>this becomes its own timeline
>link goes back in time and wins as a child
>this becomes its own timeline

where do oracle of ages/season fit in here?

It's an easy 6/10, teetering on the edge of failure. The game was terrible, it did terrible things to the lore, and it fucked the community up pretty hardcore.

Literally the only good thing about it is Groose and the Fi porn because I'm a legs guy and muh dick

I'm onboard if a game is about a reincarnation of Ganodorf breaking the curse himself while being hunted by an overzealous Link, then a direct sequel of them being bros like you said.

>BotW is a separate timeline entirely Nintendo confirmed it,
I remember them making a comment on it but I thought it was something like "it fits all of them" or some shit

No you retard. Stop being so literal.

There's the future timeline where Ganondorf takes over Hyrule but Link shows up to beat him up as an adult and then travels back to his own timeline, essentially ceasing to exist in that world, there's the timeline where Link returns to the past after defeating Ganon and informs Zelda and the royal family of Ganondorf's plot, putting an end to it before it can happen, and a timeline where Link just dies.

Option A:
>Breath of the Wild 2 releases 2020
>Metroid Prime 4 delayed until 2022

Option B:
>Metroid Prime 4 releases 2020
>Breath of the Wild 2 delayed until 2023

Choose

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BOTW2 explanation of the timelines merging! Make it happen Aonuma and Fujibayashi!

Last I heard, their official stance on BOTW was "we ain't tellin' you shit"

Provide an argument next time, faggot.

As long as they're good I don't care. I have plenty of other games to play and replay in the mean time.

Breath of the Wild 2 presumably reuses a bunch of assets and may have been in development since 2017. A 2020 release wouldn't hurt it. Metroid Prime 3 was only announced to have restarted development earlier this year, it would almost surely be rushed if it were released next year.

Option A.

A they're gonna fuck up botw 2 anyways

how is this explained in game? I didn't play OoT also what about the one where he fails? As I understand it, it goes like this:
>young link exists
>ganondorf starts to take over
>young link tries to stop gannon
>fails
>timeline 1 created
>link goes to temple of time
>gets master sword
>kills ganon in current timeline, after Hyrule is ruined
>timeline 2 created
>link goes back in time
>kills ganondorf there, preventing Hyrule from ever being ruined
>timeline 3
is that right or did I miss something?

>>Metroid Prime 4 releases 2020
That would only result in a garbage game, they scrapped development not too long ago.
Granted we don't know how long they've been working on botw 2, but I would assume they have less to do if it's using the same world so A.

>ten thousand years ago Ganon was so fucking angry it brought together the timelines
MAKE IT SO

I already did, brainlet.
There is no evidence that Demise's "curse" was any kind of magical anything.

>My hate...never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end!
>Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse.
>An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!

Ah, I can see where the confusion comes from. That part where Demise explicitly calls it a curse and says an incarnation of his hatred will be born anew in a cycle with no end made people mistakenly think it was a curse and an incarnation of Demise's hatred would be born anew in a cycle with no end.

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>T1
Young link and zelda convince the king that dorf is evil
>T2
Link beats ganon after the timeskip
>T3
Link loses to ganon after the timeskip

>a console Zelda
>being announced and released within a year
HA

Botw2 will be on Switch2.

2025 earliest.

>Just repeats a non argument again
You're boring, loser.

On the left.

After alttp and before la

Latin Spanish Zelda was fine

BOTW released three years after its announcement

If the last thing a demon king guy does before he dies is say some shit like "I will always return so long as evil exists" or some other doomsday prophecy, you better take him seriously. Have games taught you nothing user?

>I didn't play OoT
Play OoT, man.

Adult timeline
>Link beats Ganon, then goes back in time (leaving the timeline)

Child timeline
>Link has returned to being a child, and warns the royal family about Ganondorf's plan ahead of time; Ganondorf is sentenced to be executed

Failure timeline
>Link loses to Ganon (this hasn't been explained or depicted anywhere)

gamerant.com/zelda-breath-of-the-wild-where-timeline/
There are more interviews with the lead director but yes, they placed BotW into essentially further down timeline in order to SEPARATE it and make it distinct, though this will do nothing to curb the autists from arguing.
Let Alone the story goes anywhere god for fucking bid.

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Stop being so literal, you brainlet. There is nothing anywhere that indicated that this is anything more than "good will always have to fight evil".

Dumbfuck.

He's just a major autist. Literally
>N-no please ignore the timeline and literally everything because I said so.

You're just baiting, aren't you?

It also got delayed because the Wii U flopped. The Switch is still pretty new so I expect little details to be sprinkled throughout this year and next until next E3 where it will get a BIG trailer and a release date for holiday season or early 2021.

The Zelda timeline is retarded, memed into canon by it's autistic fanbase

Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about Zelda continuity, they just rehash the same shit over and over again.

>Ganodorf goes Kratos
>storms his way through kicking the shit out of all kinds of higher demons and makes his way to the end to kick Demise's ass.
>the whole time Link is showing up to cause shit.
>get to smack down Link once for every game you've beat Ganon in.
>kick in the doors of hell and fight Demise
>end up going full beast mode as Ganon, fight as a bunch of forms ranging from pigman to giant hell beast
>win your freedom from the curse
>bitchslap link one last time as you become a 'mortal'
>Link and Ganondorf stand before the Goddesses who explain the deal
>Ganondorf finally 'wins by ending the 'chosen hero' lineage by removing himself as the big bad and killing Demise. Link is just there.
>cut to credits, song about how great Ganondorf is.

SOLD.

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???
I never said ignore the timeline, you spazz. I own a hardback copy of the Hyrule Historia. There is no evidence that Demise's words represent a literal curse.

>trying to pretend skyward sword doesn't exist

based

Very obviously.

Yeah he's baiting. Literally no argument in all his posts. ignore the retard

Cool comeback.
You have no argument.

Except that Nintendo have explicitly told us there has been a timeline since ALttP.

fuck you

It's not powerful enough to do that.

Sounds like something Sony and Microsoft do too

We are not the same person you fucking troglodyte. I'm debating about a topic pertaining to Zelda lore the other guy is claiming there is no lore.
Do you have evidence that Demise's words were literal?

Yes, it is. It's reality's dev console.

>Literal curse
Stupid fuck thinking it's a literal voodoo curse. The guy was so angry/evil he pledged himself to follow them forever.

Do you have evidence they were metaphorical?

What did the Sheikah do to turn the Hyrule kingdm against them?

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Probably something about the Yiga. Either that or they were the clan that eventually became the Twili and were fucking around with shit they shouldn't have been.

Basically, Japs not knowing what "timeline" means, so they make shit up. They similarly don't know what "pirates" are, so they just make shit up.

Sure there has.

>Stupid fuck thinking it's a literal voodoo curse
No, that's the opposite of what I believe.

>The guy was so angry/evil he pledged himself to follow them forever.
He can't follow shit, he's dead.
Do you understand the difference between the words "incarnation" and "reincarnation"?
In your mind, do you imagine that the "re" is optional and the words are just synonyms?

just wait until Ganondorf rehydrates, then all of Hyrule will be sorry

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>Ornstein piloting the camel
DEEPEST

Nah, he goes to Lon Lon Ranch and plows Malon's fields.

Demise died.
No power such as you are supposing was ever ascribed to Demise when he was alive.
"Incarnation" is a very different word from "reincarnation".

No, Link fucks off out of hyrule, and dies in a freak accident in the lost woods, after getting mugged.

They proved to be a threat to the status quo.
>Royal family has been in charge since ancient times thanks to their magic.
>after many millennia the Shikah make tech that can dominate magic. taking the power out of the royal hands and giving it to the people

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Huh...

I think I understand why people are gay now.

>There is nothing anywhere that indicated that this is anything more than "good will always have to fight evil".

>An incarnation
Incarnation: (noun) a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.

>of my
My: (determiner) belonging to or associated with the speaker.

>hatred
Hatred: (noun) intense dislike or ill will

>shall ever follow
Follow: (verb) to pursue

>your kind
Kind: (noun) a group of people or things having similar characteristics.

I figured you may not know what some or all of these words mean.

They feared their technology
Stupid fuck. He pledged his malice, his hatred to forever follow them and reincarnate each time they did. Learn to read nigger. You're literally closing your ears and screaming
>Lalala didn't happen demise died he lied lalala

This is what 20 CHA looks like.

He says an incarnation of his hatred will be born. That doesn't require him to be reborn, it means something that is an ebodiment of his hatred will be born. Him being dead is irrelevant.

yea that was i refering to, bad english on my part

?They feared their tech
Source or you're a headcanon tier faggot

Remember the shadow temple? They were into some pretty dark shit.

SS was a fucking mistake with this stupid curse shit trying to fit all the games together.

>Incarnation: (noun) a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality.

>or abstract quality.
Like hate?

Fucking moron.

>and reincarnate each time they did.
No, he factually never said this. He said an "incarnation of my hate". This is a completely different phrase.

Yes? Ganondorf embodies an abstract quality, Demise's hatred.

David Spade or Andy Dick are the voices I always mentally had for him.

It amazed me that anyone can play BotW and honestly walk away from the experience with the thought that it was actually related to any of the other fuckin games at any point.

BotW was a soft reboot of Zelsa. They disregarded the timeline, as well as pretty much everything else about the history of the franchise and it's staples.

Its about as relevant to Zelda lore as mario tennis was to mario's.

You're really desperate for the attention your parents never gave you.

It's stupid why doesn't every game have a what if branch after every game then

>they were the clan that eventually became the Twili and were fucking around with shit they shouldn't have been.
Hmm. That's an interesting theory.

You're misunderstanding "my hatred".
You're assuming it means some magical force of hatred that he specifically possesses, when in all likelihood it just means "the hatred of those [like me] that desire power and are envious of the Goddess[es]"

>It's not a curse!
>I know better than a character that is speaking ingame literally calling it a curse!
Okay.

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Thanks for admitting you have no argument.

Do you have an arument to support your claim that it is a literal curse? Why did you drop out of the reply chain?

Shit, I never even noticed that the mural also depicts the split into the Yiga. Could the King have found out WHY Calamity Ganon came about in the first place? Is this the reason that he had the weapons buried? Impa says that the royal family and the calamity are linked and now the masterworks stuff says that no male gerudo has appeared ever since Ganondorf became the Calamity.

I bet you that it was the Shiekah who put Ganondorf under the castle and were experimenting with his undying corpse, the energy that leaked from it, the siphoning process that created ancient energy in the first place and why it can act as an anti malice weapon. It all comes from the same source.

>mario tennis is non-canon

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He literally says
>My hate...never perishes. It is born anew in a cycle with no end!

Also, to preface all that from , he opens with:
>You fight like no man or demon I have ever known. Though this is not the end.

Literally everything the man says is centered around his own personal hatred. Not a generic hatred he shares with his fellow bad guys. "My hatred". And the motherfucker calls it a curse. What more can you possibly want? Ganondorf going "Oh, by the way, you guys know anything about Demise? He's basically my soul daddy."

Looking at the bottom right of he mural, it looks like the Yiga split off from the Sheikah after the kingdom attacked them.
>or they were the clan that eventually became the Twili and were fucking around with shit they shouldn't have been.
That would be really interesting.

Men of fine taste.

Think there's a vague chance of Twili making an appearance in BotW2?

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poopy nigger

>Do you have an arument to support your claim that it is a literal curse?
Do you have an argument to dispute a character literally calling it a curse?

yep that curse

Is there any game that could be considered a timeline convergence between the Child and Hero Defeated timelines?

youtube.com/watch?v=LqSM4pZZd1M
someone translate this for me please

the trailer had a very twilight vibe to it.
the clunky backwards music
the green runes all over the place

I'm just an outside observer and I've been watching you deny, scream, frat, and dookie about everyone telling you exactly what Demise said to Link and Zelda. Why are you so damn desperate to say what Nintendo themselves said isn't real?

I also saw that EPIC youtube collaboration, but yeah the pillar coming down out f the ceiling at him is clearly Sheikah tech.

You have no evidence that "my hate" refers to a magical force that he posseses. You have no evidence that "my hate" does not refer to mere idea of hating the same thing he hates.

>And the motherfucker calls it a curse.
And there is no reason to believe that means a literal magical curse instead of just "bad things will happen to you".
You do not have any evidence to support your claim. You are overly literal and frankly just awful at the most rudimentary form of literary interpretation.

You niggers are cursed to dwell on this subject

Oh man... could you please like uhh... if you could provide me to the source to... that there image it would really make my day sir.

Demise was sealed inside the master sword. Doesnt matter if he cursed or not.

Ganondorf will continue being a seperate entity. BotW was originally going to be a sequel to skyward sword and it looks like when they dropped that idea they lazily reincorporated fabricated assets to serve some arbitrary purpose elsewhere. Like the rusted master sword has pretty much no coherent or even prominent relevance to BotW, even despite it being in the logo and made into a collectors statue. Seems like really the damaged mastersword was originally meant to ibe a plot point in this SS-sequel where the sword gets fucked up and then releases Demise.

That didn't happen though. For all anyone knows demise is still stuck in the mastersword.

Nintendo are retarded and zelda stopped mattering with BotW.
Get a new hobby.

Yes, and you're welcome to re-read my posts.

>frat, and dookie about
Are you having a stroke?

>Why are you so damn desperate to say what Nintendo themselves said isn't real?
I'm not I just know what words mean. I know that "incarnation" does not mean the same as "reincarnation", and that just because someone says "you are cursed to experience X suffering", does not mean that they are literally casting a magic fucking spell on you, especially when it's someone with no such pre-established power.

>And there is no reason to believe that means a literal magical curse instead of just "bad things will happen to you".
The Japanese text that was translated as "curse" in Demise's speech is 呪縛. This is also used in Japanese to mean a magical "spell", usually one that is a lingering restriction, and implies that it is something the speaker is actively imparting on another party.

Well I guess anything anyone has ever said isn't canon because like no evidence lol just words.

Considering that the Yiga were still in operation even into modern times and seem to worship the Calamity, it would make sense that they know it's true origins. The Shiekah more then likely knew exactly what the Calamity was and how to counter it, they made weapons specifically for that purpose, on cue for the Calamity to form and be stopped.

The only question now is, why? What did they gain from this? A more prosperous Hyrule? They did seem to make life easier, to the point that no one had any fear of monsters anymore. But then everything was deactivated, sealed. When the King found out where all this tech was being powered from? Even if the Calamity were to return, was that really so bad? Ganondorf would return anyway. Or was it because the King had already seen Shiekah obsessing over Ganondorf, even worshiping and he couldn't chance it. He could never be sure which of them were traitors or not, so he had the whole clan banished.

Sauce please

>giant, very powerful, magic, demon nigga says he curses you
>but not like, a literal curse, he just wanted to explain a fundamental aspect of life
I wasn't even involved in this discussion but bro you are fucking wrong if you think this.

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You. Are. Really. Desperate.

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Don't be retarded. There has been plenty of flowery metaphorical language in the Zelda series, there's no reason to think this is any different.

He also says 呪い at another point in the speech, which is commonly used for "incantation" or "enchantment". You may read "curse" to have a possible metaphorical connotation in English, but the relevant language he uses in the actual Japanese is very direct and strictly mystical.

So was this made by a faggot or a fat fan girl to shlick to?

Like?

What is your evidence that demise has such a power?

You. Are. Really. Dumb.

The only games that are actually relevant to the lore of the world anymore are SS, OoT, and BotW itself. Every other game is simply described as a rumor or legend. Hylia worship, the temple of time, and the master sword are the only pervasive things in the world anymore. Ganondorf is just another legendary being who will exist whenever he needs to in order for Nintendo to milk him for nostalgia again.

>"At one point, our technology was praised as the power of the gods...but eventually the people turned on it. Turned on us. Our creations came to be viewed as a threat to the kingdom. The Sheikah became outcasts, forced into exile." — Cado

No idea desu fambam, can't even remember where I saved it from.

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If you want to discuss this, give adequate context.

Really glad BOTW steps away from this autistic timeline shit. Hopefully BOTW2 spits on this crap even more, Zelda needs to worry about better central worldbuilding then this pointless lore

>But one day, a man of great evil found the golden power and took it for himself... With its strength, he commanded darkness across the kingdom... But then, when all hope had died and the hour of doom was at hand, a young boy in green appeared as if from nowhere... Wielding the blade of evil's bane, he sealed the dark one away and gave the land light...
Do you think this is referring to literal light and darkness? Did the hero of time light a fucking lamp?

Skyward Sword is my evidence.

>Demon God
>events are stuck in a cycle
>they go out of their way to mention said cycle multiple times in BotW the only console game they have put out since SS
>looks like TP Ganon with fire hair and lizard skin

really makes you think.

Skyward Sword established shitty eastern themes like the endless cycle of destruction/reincarnation that can only be escaped through Nirvana.

Does it offend you?

>master sword is shown multiple times to glow and emit light
>Zelda uses literal light arrows

>Ganon uses shadow/dark/black magic

it is Zelda. it is not Shakespeare where everything is hidden under metaphor and time lost memes.
now
Away, you starvelling, you elf-skin, you dried neat’s-tongue, bull’s-pizzle, you stock-fish!

I think it's more accurate to say that zelda as a series has an 'unreliable narrator'. BOTW isn't a convergence story, it is a common end to each timeline. No matter what happens in any given timeline eventually ganon/dorf will be defeated so much and sealed away so well that he eventually devolves into a rage monster. No matter what we will always end up in a BOTW like world and scenario given enough time.

Good one.

>events are stuck in a cycle
What events?
Are you talking about Link and Zelda Reincarnating to fight evil? Do you believe that Vaati is a reincarnation of Demise too? What about FSA, the only game where Ganondorf is known to have reincarnated, where Vaati and Ganon are both present at the same time? Did he split in two? What about Malladus, is that Demise too?

Right, I remember that guy. But while it's believable for the dumb peasants to get uppity. Did the King drive them out simply to calm the peasants down, or was he in agreement? Then there is also the matter that the current King had the Shiekah back in his employ and implied that it had been like that for a while, not just with the recent development of the prophecy. Then there is the Yiga, did they only form in resentment of the King that cast them out? Or were they always there, worshiping the Calamity and that THIS is why they lost the support of the people. If there was a revelation that the tech is powered from Ganon's corpse and born the Calamity, of course they would be cast out. The people and King would view it as their fault and were essentially holding the kingdom hostage. But then you wonder why he didn't demand that they shut it off. Did he think that it was a one and done deal and only later did the idea come out that the gathering Malice from the corpse would create the Calamity again and thus the prophecy was created?

>Time passes, people move...Like a river's flow, it never ends. A childish mind will turn to noble ambition... Young love will become deep affection... The clear water's surface reflects growth...
That's some water they have in Hyrule.

I think that's the least likely considering WW is the timeline most detached from the whole reincarnation fuckery. Two sequels both devoid of Ganon and the Master Sword, a two Triforce wishes to stop that shit and start over, and the whole thing started because the hero never bothered to show up.

If anything, it's more likely that the Rito evolved independently than the Zora stopped being extinct.

first off.
console games=/= portables.
they have always been treated as separate off shoots. side stories.

the main events of the universe revolve around a Zelda, a Link and a Ganon.
if those 3 are not involved it is not a world changing event in universe.

>curious so looked up how tall ganondorf is
>7'6"

Jesus....

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>sees how huge the Gerudo women have become
>shoots up another 50cm

yes time and water have always been a metaphor.
(The clear water's surface reflects growth...)
meaning it acts like a mirror that shows how much you have grown since you first left.

If you're so set on your own opinion, why are you here arguing with us? You're never going to change your mind.

Nigger

1. FSA is a console game
2. PH is a direct sequel to WW
3. ALBW is a direct sequel to ALttP
4. You have no idea what you are talking about

>if those 3 are not involved it is not a world changing event in universe.
The Demise wasn't a world changing event?

So you're saying it's flowery metaphorical speech? Weird.

Think about it a little more, you almost got it.

That's true, the Sheikah that would eventually form the Yiga were probably up to no good for a long time before the split. Maybe the whole Ganondorf situation started as an attempt to stop him from reincarnating and break the cycle, and then they had to do something about all the malice leaking out.

Hell, I didn't even think about that. Ganondorf in this game is going to fucking tower over everything. Gerudo women in OoT were Link's adult height, or slightly taller. Is the world really ready for a 9' Ganondorf?

If lorule never had a proper war for the Triforce why is there both a Link and a clearly mortal Zelda?

Checkmate athiests.

>YOU... CURSE YOU, ZELDA... CURSE YOU, SAGES... CURSE YOU, Link!
Woah, so Ganondorf can curse people too? Are Link and Zelda double cursed now?

It's pretty straightforward, user.
The text
>Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse.
Is translated fairly accurately to the Japanese, so I won't bother going back over the whole thing. The specific instance of "curse" he uses there is 呪縛, which is pretty much explicitly magical in nature.

The other instance he says "われ の 憎悪 わ... 魔族 の 呪い わ", which was translated to:
>My hate...never perishes...
But is more like
>My hatred... the demon's curse...

It's very strongly associated with literal supernatural forces, not just an unfortunate fate, bad luck, or foul destiny. In no way could it be interpreted as just "bad things will happen to you".

Post adequate context.

Maybe it's another guy who happens to have the same name.

Demise is Ganon.

they are direct sequels yet dont ever get mentioned. none of the events from them matter. Yuga and Hilda are not gonna show up ever let alone be mentioned. how bout those minnish? what about kokonori? Im sure the vato locos will show up with their trains.

>FSA
>thinks them expanding an extra mode from ALttP GBA counts a full console game

Well he said he'd be back and so far he's held up his word.

Learn Japanese, nigga.

I get the impression you'd dismiss anything I post because it's getting in the way of you baiting. You're sure putting an awful lot of onus on me to disprove your dumb bullshit instead of trying to bring anything even resembling evidence to the table. Refute a single thing I've said and I'll see about posting more.

Technically, Demise isn't much of a world changing event because as far as we know, the first and only to get possessed by him is Ganondorf, who was favored by the goddesses and chosen by the Triforce of Power on his own merits.

Like, it's as likely without Demise that Ganondorf would've been just as evil and tenacious. By the time he's able to become something like Calamity Ganon, he's a bigger threat than Demise ever was.

Okay but how do you explain Linebeck Island? Checkmate.

FSA is a completely different game you know nothing.

Post adequate context or I'll assume you're bullshitting.

Dude, they made a different thread because your dumbfuck ass won't stop sperging out, piss off retard.

the artist is from Malaysian so probably some by some gay fat guy

We've been explaining it to you for the last few hours now, all you've done is scream "FUCKITYFUCKFUCK YOU;'RE ALL WRONG IT'S NOT TRUE!!".

it was literally them taking that mode and expanding it.
deny all you want but it is true. they pumped that out to help mitigate the backlash from WW.

I think you've got the wrong guy.

Read this to get all your answers.

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Because it is one big loop that rpeats itself over and over. Doesn't matter if you kill him or not because everything gets reborn.

Pretending to argue like this is such a fucking waste of your own time. At least the people fighting with you as if you're a real person are already here to talk about a subject. You must be miserable.

>I'll assume you're bullshitting.
The feeling's mutual, retard.

I could care less what impression you have. If you want to convince me, post something convincing.

>who was favored by the goddesses and chosen by the Triforce of Power on his own merits.
Ganondorf stole the Triforce of Power. In TP he was granted it by the "divine prank" but it's likely that this only happened because another version of him has it.

ah look.
it is the whole reason the Time Lines exist.
To sell this book to fans who have been theorizing about time lines since WW.

Try again, but this time think.

Retard.

What could I be bullshitting about? I haven't made any claims that were unsupported.

Script reveals that this was just simply Onore. A very unflattering way to say YOU. Not a magical curse. But I'll give you effort for trying.

Zelda games are basically Bioshock Infinite.

There is always a boy, a girl and a castle. There is also always a Ganon.

There is only one God like being that is a prankster.
MAJORA CONFIRMED FOR RESSING GANON IN BOTW2 SCREEN CAP THIS.

>post something convincing.
I'm posting the actual literal words used. Your entire point of contention has been on your vague notions of what "curse" could be meaning instead, and I've given you more definite versions of "curse" to base your argument off of. It's more convincing than anything you've tried to offer.

I assume you're one of those retards dropping out of the reply chain again.
I've been arguing in good faith. Don't get mad at me just because you aren't sufficiently articulate.

It's stupid because it makes no sense in context. Demise shows no such world threatening power when he's alive, let alone bonding with Zelda's power. The worst part is the game pulls out some excuse that he's a shapeshifter from another world so "his" rules are different your rules shit.

on the other hand the best outcome of this disaster is that it does makes sense that he was just angry enough to reincarnate (Because it happens alot in Zelda if you haven't noticed). He was unlucky enough to incarnate as a mudslime, with a desire for the Triforce, shitty dyke parents and his people being disgraced by the king to drive him to be more evil than the original Demise could ever hope to be.

>NOOO ITS NOT TRUE! THEY WOULD NEVER ASSET FLIP AND RUSH OUT A GAME!
>THEY ALSO WOULD NEVER PUT OUT A TECH DEMO OF 4 PLAYER GAMES!

Everything you say is bullshit.

>a castle
No castle in Link's Awakening, mate.

Great, then it should be easy to post the whole sentence instead of claiming a character is in it without demonstrating such.

>Try again, but this time think.
How about you explain it to us, since your word is God's while the people who made the game don't matter.

Absurd and childish thing to say.

You know what I mean. Ganon is Comstock.

I said think, not make shit up.

>Demise shows no such world threatening power when he's alive
Demise fought Hylia when she was still a goddess and she only managed to temporarily seal him while suffering grave injuries herself. Zelda explicitly states that if Demise had broken out, Hylia would not have been able to stop him again, and claims Demise roaming free would be the end of the world.

How much more world threatening can you get than someone literally saying you'd end the world?

>Demise was so powerful that he was able force a goddess to flee the surface with her subjects
>can turn in to a giant monster
>was able to forge his own demon master sword
>not a world threat

him being called a God is enough of a reason to believe he has powers similar to Hylia.

>You know what I mean.
Yes, and you are wrong about the castle.

(You)

Kill self.

It's kind of unclear whether Ganondorf has reincarnations like Link and Zelda or is the same person every game. Shiggy Himself said it's always the same Ganondorf but I don't think he has anything to do with Zelda anymore. Hyrule Historia states that the Ganondorf from FSA is a different Ganon than the main one. So at most there could only be 2. And there is that Pit/Palutena conversation that Ganon revives just like Link and Zelda. But that's Smash bros so idk. Basically it's dumb and don't think too hard about it.

FSA really frustrates me in that regard. And it's not just the Historia, the claim is reinforced by the stated origins of Ganondorf in that game, which differ from his origins as described in OoT.
You could make an argument that details were misremembered or lost to history, but then again, the Historia itself is pretty specific on this topic.

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Don't, user.
There are most certainly people that would miss (You).

>Thread's going to die before user has to acknowledge he was BTFO
Too bad.

Was that so hard?

呪縛 (shinjitai kanji, kyūjitai kanji 咒縛, hiragana じゅばく, rōmaji jubaku)

1. A magical binding, spellbinding.
呪縛じゅばくを解とく
jubaku o toku
to break a binding spell

2. A metaphorical spell: a myth or misbelief that prevents a person from thinking or acting freely.

>i can't explain myself but I'm going to ignore everyone else while telling you to get woke

pottery

I've never seen anyone this autistic, except for ACfag.

I'm sorry to hear that, spazz.

ah yes
a God in a magical world where the same people have the same events happen over and over again.

obviously it was a him using psychological warfare.

>NO U!
Typical.

Are you talking about that one user that non stop states that BOTW has Ubisoft towers?

This was Ganondorf.

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Do you have a counter argument?

He (you?) claimed that that word could not be interpreted metaphorically, yet the second definition clearly states that it can.

>ACfag
The only similarity between me and him is that we've both made you mad. ACfag mischaracterizes people's arguments and gets wildly off topic. I have responded directly to your exact arguments with pertinent counter arguments.

You are legit just mad.

>the word literally cannot be interpreted, therefore my headcanon is the truth while what Nintendo officially stated is false!

Do you have an argument? The claim was made that 呪縛 could not be interpreted metaphorically. I demonstrated concisely that it could.

How's this then?

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