Why does Yea Forums hate Majora's Mask so much now?

Yea Forums is not a single person. Game is one the best games to have come out. Only zoomers and faggots hate it.

The opposite actually, only contrarians think Majora's Mask is the best Zelda game. Which is why we hate it, whenever people cry about Majora's Mask they always ignore all of the blantant flaws about the game & pass it off as "Pleb filter" because it's not as acclaimed as other Zelda's so they can gatekeep about it. People never actually explain why they think MM is the best Zelda, aside from spouting vague buzzwords that wouldn't explain to someone who never played it what makes it a good game. Nobody gave a shit about it until 2010 when Creepypasta's started & Youtubers started wanking about how dark/edgy it was. This combined with people's desire to be contrarian to OOT is responsible for any of the praise this game gets. Any flaws you personally think OOT & WW have, are 100x worse in Majora's Mask.

Because everyone else likes it.

It used to be the contrarian's choice of game, over OoT. But it became such a popular contrarian pick that it circled around to where disliking Majora's became the contrarian choice.

found the copypasta fag

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Contrarianism. It's always contrarianism.

> Only argument is single line buzzwords or bait images
Point proven

Because Yea Forums is retarded and needs to hate on good games to justify their contrarian autism.

This, it's always been considered inferior to Wind Waker, Ocarina of Time & A Link To The Past. Which is why it became the contrarians favorite Zelda, due to it's underdog status. Now it's become so overrated that people have started to hate it

>reused assets
>shit dungeons
>only four dungeons
>all side quests amount to "go here at X o'clock and get mask or item to get mask"
>world is small
>obvious environmental segregation breaks immersion
>most puzzles are solved by just playing a song
>most content is optional
>regular speed is too fast, slow speed is too slow
>saving is obtuse
>masks are mostly useless and unimaginative
>all the mini games suck
>final boss is pushover
>collecting fairies is tedious but has huge rewards

What is to like? The game is a dull, trudging mess. It is boring, simple, and clearly rushed. Everything is so contrived and the puzzles lack any depth. The action always sucks in Zelda, but the puzzles are supposed to make up for that. The only game to nail both is Breath of the Wild. Majora's Mask is just overrated because OoT fans were too embarrassed to like their wildly popular game, so they heap praise on the rushed OoT ROM hack.

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Nice autism bro

>final boss is pushover
Have you played OoT, user?

>waaaaa reused assets
Dungeons are phenomenal
>waaaa only four dungeons
>waaaaa too many side quests
World is pretty big actually
What environmental segregation?
>waaaaa optional content
I disagree
I'll give you that, saving is annoying
No they aren't
>me no likey mini games
Only if you have the Fierce Deity Mask
Too bad, bitch.

Yes. That fight made up for it in atmosphere and stage design.

>all side quests amount to "go here at X o'clock and get mask or item to get mask"
Yeah, you didn't play the game until 2015. Nice try though.

> The only argument whenever someone critizes this shit game is a non-argumentive one sentence buzzword that doesn't actually address any of the critisms that the other person made
Why are Majora's Mask fags so autistic, at least Undertale or even Soulsfans are capable of explaining why they like their game. MM fags literally can only resort to buzzwords when faced with critique on their game

To be fair, Wind Waker is an absolutely horrible game.

I think the Majora fight is full of atmosphere as well, you're in a weird room on the fucking moon fighting a moonwalking mask with legs, with great music

WW is a masterpiece

> All these non argumentative comments that simply dismiss all of his points without actually explaining in-depth why you think he's wrong.
You didn't even play it, nice job outing yourself

Yet nothing in the game leads up to such a thing, so it all falls flat. Meanwhile, the first thing you see as Adult Link in OoT is Ganondorf's castle.

It was the contrarians favorite Zelda, but now too many people like it so the contrarians have to finally turn on their favorite game out of obligation

I own and have beaten Majora's Mask several times.

Only if the goal was to make a boring game.

Write me a paragraph right now on why you genuinely think it's a bad game. It should not be hard to do if you actually played it long enough to gain a concrete opinion in it. But who i am i kidding? I know you won't, because you are a contrarian that didn't actually play it

Listen, I don't think you could even beat your dick with such a limp wrist. So either formulate an argument or don't respond at all.

It looks gay, sailing is boring, it holds you hand, it's easy, shallow, simple. That is all that needs to be said, really.

Then write a detailed explanation on why you think every point this person made was wrong, without pathetically attempting to attack the person in question, using non argumentive buzzwords or vague hollow statements that don't actually explain what you are talking about

> Vague, one word hollow & blank statements that are incapable of formulating a argument at all.
I knew it, Majora's Mask fags are contrarians that never even played it & claim to like it simply so they can fit in and be hipsters. I could write a paragraph right now on why BOTW is a mediocre game, because i actually play it.

Have you even played the game user? Here's your last (you)

Cos ben drownid :D

yes, I have. Oh, but it's random, just like you, therefore it's great? No. That just means it fails to communicate its themes effectively.

He did & you clearly didn't since all of your comments have been desperately trying to dismiss his arguments instead of formulating a single counter argument of your own. Whenever someone critizes Majora's Mask you faggots always resort to buzzwords & dismissing all of it as "Zoomers or Pleb Filter" Despite Zelda being the most casualized franchise in gaming

>nothing in the game leads up to it
are you forgetting how skull kid fucked you, stole your horse, fucked everyone else up, and threatened to destroy the world by crashing the moon into the planet? i mean, the moon is literally the first thing you see when you walk into clock town

All of that shit happened in the first two hours, once you leave Clock Town for the first time to complete the deku dungeon you realize just how fucking underwhelming the game is.

So how does that lead up to "goofy tentacle mask in silly room", again?

My only posts were that I enjoyed the last fight in MM, and that the last fight in OoT isn't hard at all.

That was my argument. You claimed I didn't play it, I told you I did.

If you want me to make an argument as to why I love MM, I'll do so.
I love MM because it is a fun and atmospheric masterpiece. To elaborate, the masks mechanic adds a lot of variety to the game, as you can effectively play as four characters, each with unique properties and moves. The ways you switch between masks to solve different puzzles is creative and intuitive. The time limit adds a sense of urgency, and motivates you to do as much as possible, plus it invites a fun challenge where you can try to help as many people as you can before beating Majora.
As for the atmosphere, it basically subverts everything OoT was. It uses a phenomenon called the uncanny valley, which manifests itself to people who have played OoT before, by creating a world familiar to OoT's, but also very different. The familiarity creates an unsettling feeling not unlike deja vu. The storyline is also beautiful and one of Nintendo's darkest plots, and the lack of answers by the end of the game gives itself to mystery and theories.

Tl;dr, MM is a masterpiece, read what I fucking wrote

what do you mean? if you talk to the other characters they all tell you that skull kid is literally the cause of their problems.

Literally nobody gave a single fuck about Majora's Mask until creepypasta's became a thing, it was the black sheep of the entire Zelda franchise

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You're basically proving my point

finally someone fucking said it

Plenty of people liked MM when it came out dude. Creepy pasta is cringe and stuff about MM is not THAT well known. It probably got some people into the game though.

>it was the black sheep of the entire Zelda franchise
Zelda 2. Opinion discarded

>The ways you switch between masks to solve different puzzles is creative and intuitive
Give examples of this. Because every time you do this it amounts to something so shallow it may as well have been a single button press.
>The time limit adds a sense of urgency, and motivates you to do as much as possible
I disagree, since time management is so easy. But either way, do you really think it is worth the fact that entire quests can be cut off because you choose to complete a different objective?
>As for the atmosphere, it basically subverts everything OoT was. It uses a phenomenon called the uncanny valley, which manifests itself to people who have played OoT before, by creating a world familiar to OoT's, but also very different
This is just your rationalization for the reused assets. They had a deadline, they weren't going to remodel all the characters, just the particularly shit looking OoT models.
> The storyline is also beautiful and one of Nintendo's darkest plots, and the lack of answers by the end of the game gives itself to mystery and theories.
As could be said of your post as a whole, you have basically said nothing. Positing unsubstantiated claims is nothing more than mental masturbation. But it is clear why you love Majora's Mask so much, since it is as shallow as your mind.

>you have basically said nothing
You can't read.

>"they only praise MM with buzzwords"
>post essay with no actual criticisms of MM
Wew

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No, you can't think. Words can be empty of value.

>nobody cared about MM until 2010 and creepypastas
God I hate fucking retards who get all their knowledge of videogames ftom google searches, Wikipedia, and Know Your Meme. You sound like Scott the Woz.

You are tipping your fedora at mach speed

Good argument.

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I wrote two paragraphs about why I love MM so much, and you dismissed it without any actual argument. Talking to you is like playing chess with a pigeon.
Go back to Minecraft or something else that's more your speed.

because it's highly overrated by a horde of fedoralords and it's annoying how you simply refuse to accept that not everyone feels the same way about it

we will NEVER think of majora's mask as superior to ocarina of time, GET OVER IT, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP THIS

I don't hear people say bad things about MM here. It's still probably the most beloved 3D Zelda.

Nah bro he said shallow a couple times, that has to be some sort of argument...right?

>I wrote two paragraphs about why I love MM so much
Full of empty buzzwords and meaningless drivel that you thought sounded intelligent. The key word there is "thought". Though it is rare you do as much, I suspect. Judging by your flimsy arguments.

>66 posts
>23 posters
What makes these people seethe so much about the game? It's fun, stop being neckbeards

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This, this is the most normalfag tier website on the internet. As you can see Majora's Mask ranker at least 20 spots lower then ALTTP, WW, OOT & BOTW
> grouvee.com/games/top/

>Though it is rare you do as much, I suspect. Judging by your flimsy arguments.

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Honestly I find people who critique MM on Yea Forums often sperg out more than fans of the game. No one is trying to convince you to like it better than OOT. Both are great and both have flaws.

I don't know why you're using Yea Forums. We don't want you here. If you want to have a conversation about your interests, use Neogaf, or Steam forums. You don't HAVE to talk to adults. You can play Fortnite and Minecraft with your peers.

Based

> Fedorafags actually believe this
Sad

except this whole thread is about some whiny MM faggot sperging out over others' differing opinions towards their precious little "atmospheric masterpiece"

absolutely seething autist

>except this whole thread is about some whiny MM faggot sperging out over others' differing opinions
No it isn't

He's not. All he did was articulate what he liked about the game. It seems like you're projecting a little.

No, newfaggot, this isn't a dedicated shitposting board like you think. I'm sure this will shock you, but it used to be possible to have real discussions here. But, hey, post another Wojak, or perhaps an epic Pepe edit. Then you can be on your way to meme stardom. Leave your twitter handle so we can all follow you, I'm sure you're hilarious.

Is this a pasta or you're just a faggot?

Anyone who uses words like "Seething or Autist", is the one who they themselves is actually referring too. Same with people who use buzzwords like "Zoomer or Boomer"

That's exactly what you did! You're projecting so hard, you could use your brain to shoot The Dark Knight in the Andromeda Galaxy!

>Anyone who uses words like "Seething or Autist", is the one who they themselves is actually referring too
*tips*

>no you!

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Holy fucking redditola

>fans claim it to be the greatest thing ever made
>someone offers criticism
>"WELL YOU JUST DON'T GET IT YOU STUPID ZOOMER FAGGOT"
>wtf why do people not like the game?

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the only problem with majoras mask that is absent from oot is the time mechanic which only serves as padding to the gameplay,the core problems with oot persist in mm such as:

>n64 is a shit system so the framerate for an action adventure game and missing 2nd analog for camera controls are absolute trash
>no difficulty/challenge at all,the combat is simple as balls and puzzles are literally made for toddlers
>playing any song in the ocarina takes a full 10 seconds of waiting for the sake of gay animation of playing it
>no jump button makes any ledge auto jumpable is fucking gay specially when you want to drop down not jump forward,or jump over simple obstacles/sideways ramps, you have to wait for a gay vaulting animation

>people who use buzzwords like "Zoomer or Boomer
>YOU USE LE REDDIT HAHAHA I'M FUNNY :D:D:D

To be fair aside from Zelda 1/2 if it's your first time playing them, and maybe the master trial on master mode in botwif you don't cheese it, nothing else is really challenging at all in the series.

All I know is that everything was fine on Yea Forums until the OP went and made this thread
>BAWWW WHY DONT YOU LOVE MY FAVORITE GAME
Because it isn't all that, frankly. I remember feeling a sense of disappointment way back when I first played it. Ocarina had me wanting more but this game just felt like such a rehash with all the cheap asset re-use and a story that was basically "imp nigga stole my bike, go get him"
Weak shit next to the epic tale of creation gods and mysterious unknown forces mustering to attack Hyrule in Ocarina.

Because its mentioned several times that even though skullkid is mishevous this is well beyond what he normally do. It makes sense that a mask from some other dimension possessed him and only reveals its true form when confronted by the hero of time. I mean, what is your argument here exactly?

>imp nigga stole my bike, go get him
I mean OoT boiled down to defeat ganon save zelda/hyrule just like past zelda games as well. At least MM had a new protagonist.

Fucking Cyberpunk 2077 on this shithole. Yea Forums has become such a echo chamber in the last few years over any overrated games or anything being hyped up.

You read some dumb on Yea Forums every now and again but nigga damn, you went all out on that one.

So you aren't curious about Snowhead Mountain or Ikana Canyon?
Suit yourself. I happen to find the world of Termina enthralling and it leaves me pining for more.

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>fans claim it to be the greatest thing ever made
Cool strawman

This isn't any less true of anyone defending other Zelda games though.

But how does that logically carry on to "le wacky mask chicken man in pee wee's playhouse"? It's just a non-sequitur and comes off as goofy.

>saving is
>obvious environmental segregation breaks immersion
>masks are mostly useless and unimaginative

Only valid points.

wtf, where is the mystery in snowhead?
Ikana canyon had a lot of bizarre mystery in its whole "tower of babel to smite the gods" business but I don't even get what's interesting about snowhead

It's symbolic. And comparing it to Pee-Wees playhouse is very offensive. You might as well have compared it to My Little Pony.

Most masks became obsolete after their singular purpose but some of them had neat designs.

Symbolic of what? If I play the song of healing will you give me the mask of contrived arguments?

You can see Stone Tower from Snowhead, a small detail that has large implications within the world of the game. There are also strange designs in the Snowhead Temple, and the blacksmith by the mountain parallels Biggoron from OoT.

You're right. It's a constant and no game deserves an exception for using such shoddy defenses.

>Tower of Babel
>Fedora's Mask literally just rips off the bible

It's honestly embarrassing to praise this derivative garbage.

>rips off the bible
Oh, you mean like almost every story in existence? The Bible is a literary lingua franca. Everyone references it.

Objectively speaking from a Zelda fan whose played all of them & grew up with Twilight Princess as my first Zelda game
> Story
OOT > WW > SS > BOTW > MM > TP
> Storytelling
OOT > WW > SS > MM > BOTW > TP
> Dungeons
OOT > SS > WW > TP > MM > BOTW
> Characters
WW > BOTW > OOT > SS > MM > TP
> Side Quests
BOTW > MM > WW > OOT > TP > SS
> Gameplay
BOTW > WW > OOT > TP > MM > SS
> Gimmick
OOT > WW > BOTW > MM > SS > TP
> Soundtrack
OOT > WW > SS > MM > BOTW > TP
> Bosses
SS > TP > OOT > WW > MM > BOTW
> Overworld
OOT > BOTW > MM > WW > TP > SS
> Villain
WW > OOT > SS > MM > TP > BOTW
> Pacing
OOT > MM > BOTW > WW > TP > SS
> Ending
OOT > WW > SS > TP > MM > BOTW
> Replayability
OOT > WW > MM > BOTW > TP > SS
> Overall
OOT > WW > MM > BOTW > SS = TP

Boomer here, MJ is just side quest the game with lackluster dungeons and traveling back and forth. The game is tedious to play. Didn't like it on release, still don't like it now.

Not as blatantly as this. it leaves a bad taste in my mouth as it's utterly tacky to just slap on a bible story to a game like MajorAss Mask did

>& grew up with Twilight Princess as my first Zelda game
It frightens me that kids born after 9/11 post here.

> Anju & Kafei side quest
> Moon destroying Termina
These are the only things people remember from Majora's Mask

>Demise better than Majora
Why?, he shows up at the very ending while Majora imposes its present from the very beginning to end

I was referring to Ghiraham, same with Zant from TP

Compared to most other zelda's rehashing saving the world from Ganon?

You're acting as if the Tower of Babel theory is confirmed. I don't believe it myself, I just think it's neat fanfiction.
But so many stories reference the Bible. RoboCop is basically cyborg Jesus. Die Hard has references the Seven Seals and Armageddon. The Bible is an important plot point in Pulp Fiction.
Hell, even in the Zelda series, OoT has Jabu-Jabu (Jonah in the belly of the whale) and WW has the whole flood backstory (Noah).
The Bible is BLATANTLY referenced in many, MANY classics.

Ok, then it makes sense.

So you're saying the bible is the greatest piece of mythological fiction ever written?

I don't believe in "greatest" anythings. But the Bible is one of the most important works in human history, yes.

I don't know. It has a certain emotional appeal that I guess many people don't care for. I like it a lot.

>we
speak for yourself, incel

>saving is obtuse
MM haters confirmed retarded.

/thread
I don't hate it
t. zoomer

Some Zoomers have good taste, but on average, Zoomers are into things like Fortnite and Miley Cyrus.
Zoomers aren't just a generational group, they're also a mental state.

Yeah they reused the assets for a better game, deal with it :)

> Fedorafags think their shit game is good
Cope more

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a 91% seems good to me

>Autist can't handle people liking something he doesn't
Stay mad

This

>posting an RPGfan review
Kill yourself.

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Can someone tell me how to finish the water temple.

He's just baiting, user.

press alt+f4 and delete System32

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

zelda is all shit

Literally every Zeldafag of all kinds are like this. Fuck em.

OH NO NO NO NO NO

has a post ever been more right?

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That was pretty much strawman: the post

Don’t cut yourself on that edge

Why did you reply to yourself?

I like most of the Zeldas, but OOT is honestly one of the more mediocre ones.

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It had the zora swimming.

I liked that as a kid, I used to just race around in the water, building up speed.

>the trash that was Turok is better than ocarina

you're never going to understand how stupid you are. you imbecile. you rube. you ignorant piece of human filth.

goddammit, I don't ever want to deal with people like you. you are beneath me.

Ocarina of time is possibly the best Game of all Time.
Not only it's the first Zelda in 3d, but it's also the first Zelda to have an actual worthwile gameplay.
If you were to play ocarina's combat and compare it to for a link to the past you would notice 100% why OOT is the better product, his cutting edge combat laid the foundations to games such as Devil may cry and dark souls, hardly you can find videogames of that time with a combat as tight and responsive as the one given by ocarina of time let alone ANY of his predecessors.
The possibility of having a 3d world too elevates the puzzles to levels so high, that a Link to the past can't even dream to come close too.
Not only ocarina of time is the better product combat and puzzles wise but also the bosses are far superior and more memorable, a link to the past can't get close in those regards too, after all 2d sprites with bad animations can't compete with something like the ganon paintings bossfight or the dark link one, and let's not talk about the unispired envrioments compared with OOT, the absolute blandness of a link to the past version of hirule is pathetic, especially when OOT has memorable places like the gerudo desert, the goron mountain or lord jabu belly, thanks to the 3d graphics the entire game becomes one of the most beautiful and inspired zelda that possibly is yet to be rivaled by any of the other entries in the series, you can clearly see that the developers loved putting all that soul into hyrule, they weren't bound by the 2d graphics, they had a new world of possibilites to explore and you can bet they did it with OOT.
(Cont.)

Many people tend to say that the linear nature of ocarina of time is one of the main reasons on why the game is bad.
But is it really "bad"?
To me, No. The game was crafted to be progressed in a certain way and they made sure that each step you were to take it would had given to you one of the best and most well refined Zelda experiences you were to get, there's no bullshit around it, no moments that drag too much aside from water temple, you get to one point and you have something that will make you experience the game in the best and most engaging way it can give you, matter of fact if you think about the way other zelda games handle the non- linear gameplay structure you only get slow and dispersive gameplay, the exploration becomes a chore, you will get lost, you will just go around hoping to find something worthwile to improve your already slow and primitive gameplay wich will never come, because that gameplay concept belongs to another era, an era where if games were linear they would have ended in 2 hours.
OOt still remains fresh in 2019 too, perhaps an update on the textures and the models would be more pleasant for the newer generations, but it's not like it needs them, unlike the remake of link's awakening, who's drastic changes in style goes to show how the 2d graphics held it back already back in 1993, oh well it's not the game's fault to be old and being outclassed in every way by OOT, the best game ever of all time.

How was that in any way edgy?

Because its a strange inter-dimensional mask. What are you asking for exactly? Some sort of step by step in lore explanation to an enemies animations?

The answer is yes due to the amount of absolute seething the post caused

>links awakening and ooa/oos that low
People had terrible taste in 2003

not him but born in 1995 and Twilight Princess was the first one I played all the way through after messing about as a kid with Links Awakening DX, which I didn't really play.

For me is the best zelda game, just because it was the first I did everything in it. So yes is pure nostalgia for me.

Wind Waker is barely a complete game

I just wish there was a new game+ or something that let you skip the first cycle, it put me off the game at first and I learned to tolerate it but I don't like it.