Pirate Games Rather Than Buying From G2A – Multiple Developers
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If the developers don't make any money from keysite sales, then where do the keysites buy the keys?
fraudulent credit cards
but where
>see some developer being cocky
>buy a key of his "game" from G2A
>screenshot the check
>refund immediately
>send a screenshot to cocky dev
>watch him seethe over it
Hmmmm... Should I do it bros?
The credit card chargebacks, they have to PAY themselfs( chargeback fee ) for the key you buy from g2a.
good, I'll just buy from G2A then
developers don't like grey markets, who would have known
i bet they would try to outlaw used games sales physically if they could
the stolen credit cards shit is old shit, you would have to go above valve and sell keys given to you through your own website to actually get damaged by that shit instead of just using gmg or another official key seller with chargeback protection
remember to always sell your old humble bundle keys
Then they should be deactivating the key?
People sell humblebundle keys on G2A all the time.
Developers are just mad that the normal price there is cheaper than their games on sale.
They do, sometimes those games get removes from your libraries as they were bought this way. Those cases are pretty rare though, so I doubt it's as big of an issue as devs lead you to believe.
>G2A shills unironically advocating buying stolen rather than pirating, to OWN the devs
get the fuck out of my website
European here
can someone explain to me the concept of credit cards?
It seems retarded that its so easy to fraud.
Here we use a pin
you swipe your card, do your code and then pay from your account
Those key sites also buy keys from steam and normal stores when there's sales or they buy keys in countries like Russia where it's less expensive. So sometimes devs really get paid.
It happened like once, you don't punish your consumers for buying something, because the store did some bullshit. It only hurts you, better take the L
And this >remember to always sell your old humble bundle keys
Who gives a fuck about shitty devs? They are too busy banning people for "toxic behaviour" instead of focussing on creating good games like they used to do. Oh you called someone a nigger or a faggot, that is very racist and homophobic of you! Booohoooo. Go cry me a fucking river.
Man back in my day this was all we did in online games. Back in my day devs would still try to make games that were actual fun. Now a days they are too busy with their e-penis on social media such as twitter instead of fucking doing what we pay them for.
So fuck them. I always use allkeyshop ® to find the best deals. But only when I need a game that i'm going to buy online or I care much about having it on Steam ® for convenience issues. The rest (single player games) I simply pirate because I don't give a fuck about some fucking political correct faggot dev with pink hair and glasses. They can literally eat my shit.
GIVE MONEY TO THIEVES FOR SOMETHING FREE TO OWN THE LIBS
Totally based and redpilled G2A, I'm giving you all my money now just to show these SJWs and NPCs!
>reddit spacing
>replying to every posts regardless of what they say
Is this going to be the new way to troll? BUY a game from g2a and then show them the receipt.
What games are the developers of complaining about? Its probably a bunch of indie horse shit.
We have debit cards too, which just take balance out of your account. But for credit cards, you buy an item with it, and the bank pays the store, and you pay the bank back at the end of the month. It's so you can buy stuff before you get paid at work. Like taking a loan every month
Saw the red flags as soon as this was being adverised by every youtuber a couple years back
>i'm going to throw my money away on purpose to annoy the devs!
>ha, take that!
are you retarded
why do you want to give your money to some scam shop
just pirate the games you fucking retard
EPIC STYLE, buy like 500 keys where you are at it to TRIGGER them super hard goy
>new
This article may be new but what it says is old as fuck.
Don't ever reply to me, tranny
If you can play online, is better G2A than what devs want, we need a new vidya crash
There are TONS of legit keys on those sites.
Keys from bundles, keys from promotions, keys that came bundled with hardware.
There are keys from credit card fraud, but if you buy a new release on day one for 50% off, you're just a dumb fucker.
Implying I don't pay the minimum possible (sometimes after pirating) for the privilege of having an "Install" button the next time I ever want to play the game.
Easy installs without the need to fish for a torrent, updates and sometimes saves are the only reason I pay like 5 bucks for vidya, not internet morals.
Yeah but nobody was using it to troll before. Its mere existence has triggered these people.
I just did what u gonna do about it?
Geee, I wonder who's behind this post.
Fuck you Rami, your game never goes on sale so I will gladly pirate it you fucking Jew.
Is G2A even safe?
I dont really want to leave my CC info on weird websites.
Ill pirate them if you give me working online multiplayer and updates that dont need to be re-cracked ;^).
Otherwise I buy shitty keys for those games. I dont care who gets my money, I just want the product at the cheapest price possible.
Thank you based Chinese people
use paypal then
I paid $15 for nuclear throne and put over 500 hours into it. A mixed drink at a concert is about the same price. Are you that poor?
it's a grey market site like ebay, just don't buy obviously from scammers and you'll be fine
also use paypal
>retarded anime poster has never heard of paypal
im in awe
Oh good idea, didn't know you could use paypal on those website
But are all the key legit? I have heard some could gets your game removed or gets you banned from steam.
support g2a, fuck devs.
What are they going to do, use it? You can just report it as a fraudulent transaction and get the money back. It's your account, you have the power.
like said, avoid the obvious scammers like games for 50% off at launch and you'll be fine, if anything does get removed you go through a process where you talk to the seller and can get a refund or a new key, and if they don't respond or nothing happens after 2 weeks you get auto-refunded by g2a
t. sold a few hundred humble bundle and other misc keys on there
and never buy the g2a shield shit
If you're worried about safety, don't use credit cards at all.
It's like ebay for game keys. If you're observant and responsible, you'll run into zero issues, if you're a moron you'll have a bad time.
imagine using this russian "inactivity fee" scam shit and not using instant-gaming
You're forgetting this board is filled with NEET's who seldom step a foot outside.
dude, people have reported it. G2A is fine.
stop posting links to your shitty clickbait site, sikandar
I buy shit from green man gaming sometimes
I'd rather fund a thief than pay money to a developer I hate.
based and redpilled
I've bought like a hundred games on g2play/g2a and I haven't had problem with a single one of them, save one where the key didn't work so I reported it and got a new cdkey emailed to me the next day.
You can already buy cyberpunk for $40 and I doubt it's from stolen credit cards
>muh developers
no one cares, codemonkey
Yes, and you can buy "nothing" on eBay. If you discard any and all responsibility for your actions, a lot of people will take advantage of you.
That's not a good measure for anything though.
I smell curry
This game is not sold in my country, so I have no other option than to buy it from key resellers. Other than pirating that is.
Problem is, there are no deals for Evil Genome available on any of these websites for some reason.
I've been ripped off twice by G2A. Said it was a NA code and ended up being an EU code both times. Fuck that site.
>bought a game key from some russian seller once
>key didn't work
>contact the seller
>he says sorry and sends me a new key right away
>key works and i thank him for his quick response
>he tells me to have fun playing the game
Maybe you're just an idiot.
devs are trying to smear resellers rep saying that they are "worse than piracy", it is their version of "worse than hitler", do not fall for their tricks.
because you trusted a russian on the internet you fucking tard
Here every transaction asks for a 4 digit pin that only you know. Or a OTP that is messaged to your phone. That's why there's not many stories of card fraud here.
Anyone with a scrap of sense already knew this. "Cheap" doesn't just magically happen.
The grey market is actually harmful to the industry. It is, undeniably, worse than piracy, because everyone knows that a pirated copy does not equate to a lost sale, but a retard buying a grey market key is, in one way or another, lost revenue. No one's trying to trick you, they're pretty upfront and honest about why grey market is bad for them.
>buycuck moralfags actually end up hurting the company more than pirates
Clown world.
Sounds like a B.A.S.E.D. and REDPILLED idea, fellow Yea Forumsro.
It'd be funny if it was just moralfags but it's usually cheapfags who want to buy an online-only game but don't want to wait for a sale, along with your common idiots and third-worlders.
there is literally nothing wrong with selling keys for games you don't want
>resell bad
Say dilate
Dilate
What do I care if some multi billion dollar companies lose their revenue?
Those developers are actually trying to trick you because they have FULL CONTROL over how many keys they generate for their games. They do it anyways because they're careless and they want to sell the game in as many stores as possible while also attaching a Steam key to that sale (so they can circumvent the 30% Steam charges, since Steam doesn't charge anything for creating keys). They're trying to have their cake and eat it too. Steam charges 30% so that they deal with things like credit card fraud properly, which these developers keep complaining about but at the same time don't want to pay Steam to do it.
As user said the debit card uses a four digit pin and a credit card does not
What a dumb ultimatum. Buying from G2A is less thievery than pirating.
These keys don't just appear out of nowhere. They come from the dev one way or the other. Typically the motivation is financial because they want to price discriminate by selling on different sites and regions to different demographics with varying purchasing power. Then their little master plan falls apart when people realise they can just do the same thing back: take the key from one market to the other and profit through plain old arbitrage. There is also the issue of devs spewing out review keys to any chump with a youtube account and then get all offended when some end up on key sites. Either way, they brought this on themselves.
>b-b-but user the keys are stolen
They fell off the key truck? Listen, if keys are actually stolen one way or the other they get deactivated. It happens sometimes but extremely rarely. I buy all my games, when possible, from key sites and it has never ever happened to a single one of them. This argument is like saying you can't go to flee markets because the goods might be stolen.
Try buying Factorio from a CD key site for example. You can't (except steam gifts) because they have decided not to pursue the typical profit maximising efforts of bundles, official third party sites and so on. This is the devs' fault and they are only pissy because you're beating them at their own game.
If you use anything other than paypal they will charge you multiple times discreetly over time. They might still do it with paypal but you can stop them in that case.
Oh and also they don't actually reimburse you if the key doesn't work.
Ok, tell your retarded publishers to stop using Denuvo and i will.
>put yourself at legal risk of prosection or fines rather than buying a legitimate key and lisence from a source we don't like but who clearly aren't acting illegally or we would simply shut them down
Fuck the devs. I don't paticularly like pirating, or the risks it can entail, so sites like that let me pay a reasonable price.
I've had a key deactivated and they reactivated it for me after i explained what happened. I also got a refund from g2a. I'm sure this is rare, but it was cool to get a free game.
I'm so tired of video game sites and devs and everyone trying to tell me what to do.
Never had a problem with their keys, and the prices are usually more in line with what I'm willing to pay. I suspect the credit card stuff is mostly overblown bullshit being used to try and make people worry about using the sites; just look at that image in the article about 'key has already been used, your money has gone, this could happen to youuuu' when anyone smart just uses PayPal and in the off chance this ever occured you could almost immedietly get your money back.
Devs just don't like being challenged to lower their prices and profits, because captialism is only fun when *they* are the ones making the money.
I've been to
LONDON
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You guys use credit cards. Cut the shit.
>They're trying to have their cake and eat it too
Exactly. This like the time when devs threw a bitchfit the moment Steam opened the floodgates worldwide to issue refunds if a game does not work on your machine and/or it's shit.
Please do not buy games used or from grey market sites guys its worse than piracy
I will still use G2A when I want to play the game online and the dev/publisher is a piece of shit.
Like I'll most likely grab UNIST that way.
He's just a dumbo who doesn't know the difference between credit and debit cards.
the fake credit card stuff does happen, but it can be avoided by not buying the obviously too good to be true prices and when it does happen its one of the things g2a will always refund or replace the key with.
>rami Ismail
>sandnigger
>"you fucking jew"
??
I have no problem with this. Game prices at and near release have massively inflated in recent years, and companies that control their own storefront artifically keep them that way, so I'll happily go on just not giving a shit about what you just said in that point. I'm exchanging my money for a legitimate cd-key, legally, and that's where my fucks to give end.
Will it 'destroy' gaming? Unlikely, I buy an asston fo reasonably prices games on sale, and the rare gem I know I'll like I might even buy at release and full price, but if your game has issues or is still $60 six months after release then I'm probably buying from G2A or one of its siblings.
imagine this being your unironic thought process.
ebin
>The grey market is actually harmful to the industry.
No one gives a shit about the vidya industry if they have a triple digit IQ.
same shit
why is Yea Forums actually filled with children
noone over the age of 15 wouldn't know the difference between a debit and credit card. are americans stupid or is Yea Forums just 4children now
paypal, you fucking tard. i buy from g2a multiple times a year and it is always equally as convenient as a legit store but like 30% cheaper.
So why not just calling him a sandnigger?
G2A is no different from buying used games. It's fine.
>are americans stupid or is Yea Forums just 4children now
yes
Real talk though, why don't american credit cards use PIN? Both my credit and debit card work the same way except for what happens on the back end.
how do they get the keys without the devs seeing any of the money?
This. I mean fucking seriously. They aren't a charity, they want as much of my money as they can get, and I want to keep as much of my money as possible. Nothing else matters in this particular matter.
>b-but gaming as we know it will die!
Good. It's getting extremely shit, content wise and treatment of customers, and if my buying Bugout 76 is enough to 'kill' a company like Bethesda then something far larger than me using cd-key sites has gone wrong somewhere.
We aren't family. We aren't friends. These are business transactions, and sites like G2A often offer a better deal *and* a better service.
Devs making too many review/promotion keys and distributing them willy-nilly. Keys bought with credit card frauds happens too but it's a tiny fraction of what happens, and Steam will disable those keys if reported by the dev or store.
Name one thing that game developer has ever done for me
rip Yea Forums
was fun before GG
shit's been gay and political towards right wing losers.
imagine literally buying into jewish shilling while moaning about jews or being a wehrmaboo even tho the nazis lost the fucking war
cause god knows you people couldn't remember 4 digits unless maybe it was your year of birth
g2a makes a lot of money and has so much content on their store though. it can't be all just from review/promotional codes and a little bit of card fraud
imagine a shampoo company saying that you should steal their products from a store instead of buying them in ebay because all the vendors sell you bottles filled with cum instead of shampoo, it is nothing but fear mongering.
>rip Yea Forums
>was fun before GG
>shit's been gay and political towards right wing losers.
>imagine literally buying into jewish shilling while moaning about jews or being a wehrmaboo even tho the nazis lost the fucking wa
you playing buzzword bingo over here, m8?
You asked about which keys didn't give any money to the developers. The majority of keys are found in CD boxes in low income regions or bought in bundles or sales on official reseller sites like humble and GMG. The devs are paid for these, but maybe not how much they would have wanted.
Based as fuck
>calls others tard
>buys shit from g2a
lmao
i didn't ask which keys. i asked how devs wouldn't see any money
And now you know.
>buying stuff for less when it is an option is retarded
the board is riddled with dipshit teenagers
The best thing about G2A Is you don't need to make a fuckin' account to buy a thing. G2A is a lifesaver, especially for games that rarely go on sale.
thx bby xox
More like actual paid shills. People like to downplay the chans importance, but massive amounts of traffic flow through.
No it's not. Otherwise the keys wouldn't work.
Huh? That's a credit card.
For factorio, if you buy on their website you get a Steam key and the ability to download from their site. So you could buy the game, and sell it nearly at the price you bought it for.
It is a european pretending he hasn't even heard of a credit card. Don't blame others for playing along, we all genuinely think you are that retarded. We don't see it as shitposting. You fucks post retarded shit all the time, its expected at this point.
This is just the equivalent of throwing a tantrum because nobody cares about your region adjusted pricing.
Well if I can't make maximum profit from you then just pirate my game why don't you? Literally millions of developers will go homeless if you buy this game from Russia instead of France.
And don't give me the stolen credit card bullshit, that shit is extremely rare and absolutely non-existent if you only buy from the reputable sellers.
>We like capitalism!
>OH wait nonono
Sorry that's just how it is on this bitch of an earth.
>Who gives a fuck about shitty devs?
>:)
>wah wah I cant be a racist harassing asshole anymore
>:(
You lost me pretty quick there, stop being a fucking edgelord.
People say this but most legit vendors had to have bought the key somewhere.
Don't bother, right-wingers have convinced themselves that anything that increases taxes or regulation = communism. G2A is freedom.
But you can't keep gifts in your inventory anymore and if you do want to gift stuff, you have to gift it to someone in your friends list. There's also a region restriction to gifts usually.
How do they get the key itself when buying from steam then or where else do they buy them from if they do make chargebacks?
The people who sell the keys have bought the key so the developers did get their money, it's the age old "buying games used" thing where video game companies are greedy jews.
They're not wrong. If you buy used or from keysites, you might as well save your money and pirate. Smarter than giving your shekels to some shady Russians
It's better than buying games used because buying a game used means someone played it and then sold it to someone else probably months or years later and no extra money goes into the devs pocket.
Key sellers are primarily doing it for profit, so every key you buy from them is creating more demand for them to buy those keys from their region, you are essentially giving the devs money through a discount middleman.
No, almost all keys have been stolen through hacks and leaks. That's how keysellers have so many fucking keys, they got them all for free.
That's impossible, you can't "hack" that many keys, if it was that easy then people wouldn't buy keys in the first place.
Can't tell if sarcastic
The same thread was made yesterday and the same points were made.
Shitty as g2a is, the moaning indie devs are sounding a lot like the major publishers did a few years back with their war on pre-owned games. In both cases, whoever made the game is missing out on making more money. Bad for them, but good for the consumer, which they can't be having.
The moral highground bullshit the likes of Jim Sterling piss out over g2a annoys me to no end. They're happy to moan about the amoral nature of g2a, yet are wearing clothes and using tech produced by virtual slave labour the on the other side of the world.
You have my full support comrade.
Customers don't think your 2d indie narrative experience is worth 20 bucks and are getting the game for cheaper instead of pirating, frankly you should be glad you are getting money
>m-m-muh stolen keys and credit cards
Insignificant minority not done by reputable sellers, and a great fear mongering tactic from those opposed to grey markets
>get the fuck out of my website
How much of a pretentious delusional retard are you?
This
Exactly this. Only some fat fuck like Jim Shilling would cry their eyes out over people getting actively fucked over for not having a braincell in their head.
Jim Shilling - Confirmed Steamcuck
Same here. Only morons who can't read into actual fucking scams deserve to be scammed.
Always those whiny indie devs. Geez.
guys for real i have anew gaming pc and it cost me like 3000 euro. I dont wanna donwload viruses and shit. Which site clean no virus downloads?
This.
It might be a wild guess but I legit doubt someone whos pirating a game gives a fuck about what developers think
I had my Tera account (yes I know) stolen thanks to the massive Yahoo email accounts leak in 2017. It took me one support ticket with my purchase details to get it back.
That's the chance you take with every game you purchase off sites like this, the original owner of a game can ALWAYS get it back.
Dipshit retarded teenagers or NPCs; it's always one or the other.
t. Confirmed fucking retard
Is there a more Reddit opinion than hating keysites? Hating piracy maybe? Keysites are great also because retards get scammed, no handholding, if you're a dumbfuck Redditor you get fucked.
A myth greatly exaggerated by game developers. People reselling keys aren't interested in potentially going to prison for it. It's facilitated by regional pricing structures and I would rather buy the key on G2A and put some money in the pocket of someone desperate enough to resort to key selling. The publisher still get's money, not as much as they wanted but I don't care. It's also a great way to get sale prices outside of sales. Once in a great while a dev team might through a miracle actually not be totally cunts and I will buy the game through the normal means but that's extremely rare.
have sex
Absolutely fucking nothing. There!
>devs and publishers removed games from Steam
>through G2A I was able to get Prey (the old one) and Driver: San Fran including some DLC for a long dead game
Perhaps if you didn't remove games I wouldn't have to use them, just a thought.
youtube.com
Hear that? Jim Sterling, indie devs, and journalists have commanded you to stop using keysites, Yea Forums.
>hey man, I’d you didn’t cut me off my meds, I wouldn’t have to go buying crack off the streets.
Exactly. Give me a legit method of killing the pain or I'll find another way to do it.
Actually, he makes a good point. Who made game developers the gatekeepers of free speech? Just because a faceless nobody online gets virtually offended by a stranger online doesn't give them the right to steal property from you that you legally paid for.
The devs don't get a cut from the sale of the keys from G2A, sort of like when you sell cards.
HOWEVER what they are not telling you is that G2A has BOUGHT the keys so the devs DO get something from the original purchase.
They just get $0 from the G2A purchase we do. So don't fall for their tricks.
DEVS, if your game is really good people will even preorder. Start releasing demos again, old school demos and make good games. The money will come.
Wait a minute.. This way you will make more than what you paid right?
How many times can you do it though until Steam smells the scam?
Yeah, no that is 100% bullshit. Its just irresponsible indie devs selling cdkey by the boatload to make a quickbuck and then whine that by overloading the market they pushed the value of their game down. They simply hate that reselling sites still operate on "demand vs supply" logic where the price is set not by them but by the demand vs supply. If there is a shitload of keys out there for a game nobody/very few want then the price goes down and vice versa, not based on whatever the dev thinks the game should cost. Which is why they bitch and moan about G2A.
>B..but muh credit card fraud
Look thats again prime time Bullshit. Not only is that the case with the absolute minority of games sold on g2a but even if it was then there is a simple solution these devs are too lazy/stupid to use. SIMPLY DONT SELL SHITLOADS OF KEYS TO ANONYMOUS SOURCES! But then again that would require them to take some responsibility for their product.
>B..but G2A dindu nutin about it
Worse yet they put this on g2a shoulders as if G2A was stealing those credit cards themselves. The site is just a platform for reselling keys, anyone can go there and sell. With an open platform always comes the risk of scammers. Sorry that the world is not as perfect as mommy promised.
Disregard these "devs" they are just butthurt that economy 101 still applies to them, nothing else.
So basically the same as publishers crying about pre-owned sales back in 2010-14.
Quake 1 had 1/4 of the game released for free as a demo and still did great.
Start making demos again you lazy fucks. Then you ll see piracy go down, since a ton of people use torrents as demos.
Fuck just put some sort of ad at the demo download page and receive even more money..
I am giving you gold here and I hate ads...
>yeah, I'll take 1500 keys for your [pixel art indie title]
>cool, just put in your card details here
All devs/humble bundle etc would have to do it cap how many keys/bundles/packs a credit card can buy, then problem solved. But they won't because this means they have to do some work themselves and accept responsibility for being careless over a quick buck. It's easier to blame the key resellers.
Is actually a good idea
>free demo
>cake the loading screens in ads
A full 1920x1080 of ad space everybody who plays a demo has to look at. Nobody will complain either because they get a demo and loading screens would be there anyway. Genuinely a genius idea.
the issue is that when keys are bought using stolen credit cards, it's the devs who pay for it
for large publishers this is literally nothing but smaller devs suffer from it significantly
as such, if you use G2A you are indirectly also supporting EA by undermining their competition
What is the point to get all these AAA games at bellow £2 from G2A if you can't find the time to play them?
>NOOO PIRACY IS STEALING, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IS JUST INFORMATION AND NOT A PHYSICAL PRODUCT
>what do you mean that you will resell my game? NOOO THAT IS FORBIDDEN REEEEEE
>UK
>Europe
Yeah, sheriff, it's this one.