Don't play Black Mesa

Yeah, the original Black Mesa was a real mess. The paid for version didn't really improve anything. It's got awful music, sloppy pacing, really weird AI behavior that doesn't fit with HL1's level design that expects AI to be interrupted but the combine AI that is the basis for the BMS AI lacks the functionality for this.

It's just not a good version. HL1 isn't a spectacular game but if you really wanna play it, play the real thing, preferably a WON version and not the garbage Steam version.

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its like rpgcodex has good taste in games or something.

valve games are dumbed down garbage.

bump

Dumbed down from what?

from real games like doom, quake, system shock, duke, unreal, thief, deus ex, blood.

They raped my precious magnum into a grave, nerfed glock, fucked up the crowbar animation. Made the AI absolutely retarded and gave vortigaunts an insane windup that's impossible to avoid.

>taking game advice from some random fuckhead on the internet.

this is typical of Yea Forums.

>They raped my precious magnum into a grave, nerfed glock
Half-Life had a Glock you moron.

>play black mesa years ago
>get to on a rail
>alt tab
>google if that shit is for real
>it's real, whole areas of the game done like this
>open taskmanager
>kill the process
>open appwiz.cpl
>uninstall
Should've stuck to the script which was just making proper source native assets for the source port of half life.
Instead we got "Well I think half life should be..." except we didn't even get that we got several versions of that because there's no consistent direction between segments that were divvied up to different designers.

They also had a magnum.

imagine enjoying valve games and their mods.

>Don't play Black Mesa.
Why would I care what someone who unironically uses commie symbols in a forum signature has to say

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>this couple illustrates the cultural relativity of life stages, which we sometimes mistake as fixed
have they ever heard of outliers?

cringe

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>inferior version of hl2's gunplay
what fucking gunplay

hl2 guns sucked ass

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FUCK OFF VALVE DRONES

Sneed

Formerly chuckville.

FUCCKKKKKKKK
that guy got to tap that everyday

Eternal reminder that they decided at one point to turn off sprinting and shooting for two reasons, and I shit you not, this is real:

>1: "we made all these new assets for the levels and people were running past them way too fast!"
>2: designer thought "sprinting and shooting at the same time is dumb"

I mean shit, I'll give them credit for learning from that and changing it and I do want to play it at some point but that sort of mindset when you're at the end of the day recreating half-life 1 makes me seriously wary.

no dumbass literally everything is subjective cultural marxism isn't real by the way

You can sprint and shoot.

Yeah, they changed it back.

But they still thought it was a good idea at one point to change an extremely important game mechanic (the ability to run and gun, half-life is still a speedy shooter) just because of some nebulous whim that it was "unrealistic"

is the marine AI still anti-fun?

The marine AI in Black Mesa is fucking great because it forces you to actually think and use your entire arsenal to its strengths. Meanwhile in HL you could often just run in with your MP5.
So yes, it is still anti-fun if you're a brainlet.

>you could often just run in with your MP5
are we talking about the same HECU

wait what did they change in On a Rail? i played like an hour or so of black mesa and as a huge half life fan I thought it would be a great remake. did they go too far with the whole "reimagining/bringing modern mechanics into a game from 1999"

the problem is that the marines have really fast reaction times and their animations are hard to read

Ye. Going through Half-Life is a Breeze compared to Black Mesa. Granted a lot of that seems to just be down to higher accuracy and damage.

That and the full retardation in little things like how Gordon now has a vertical jump capacity of about two inches

>it's a "young game developer has a bizarre obsession with "realism" in mechanics where it doesn't belong" episode

why is this a weirdly common thing?

there is a good reason why rpgcodex doesnt like valve games.

I feel like black mesa could've been a great opportunity to expand upon certain parts of the game, they've done it with xen, but other parts could've done with the same treatment

office complex could've been a lot more vast
on a rail should be an extremely confusing labyrinth
apprehension could've had more tense and tricky moments
and then they could've added in secret levels/alternate routes, like maybe they could've found a way to work uplink into the game, or maybe take elements from cut hl1 content

The only thing I didn't like about BM when I played it years ago was the first shot of the MP5. First shot was always accurate and made fighting against HECU armed with MP5s very difficult compared with HL1.

>like how Gordon now has a vertical jump capacity of about two inches
DSP is that you?

They've had trouble doing the game as it is.

whats up with the goldsource ex or won version or whatever the fuck?

well that's because they're silly and unfocused

is half life realistic like Counter strike or arcadey like quake?

wow good to know, turbonerd
*brofist*

It's a weird mixture. It was clearly trying to be realistic but thanks to its Quake heritage you can pull a lot of bullshit.

What do you mean? That they did all this because of realism ? I'm only speculating, here, but my guess is that they reduced jump height just to pad up the game. In all the platform sections, you now have to jump-crouch instead of just humping.
Either that, or they just did it by accident and left it like this.

Still, it was funny when BM first came out, and people defended it so hard they claimed jump height was the same as in original HL and calling people noobs because "you already jump-crouched in original HL"

valve games are mediocre shit made for retards.

arcadey like quake, but sort of in-between

HL1 kind of reminds me of the 2016 doom a little bit in that there are story beats, but they're usually relatively brief and take a backseat to the simple, but tight gameplay. It's part of the reason it's so replayable even today. It's not like HL2, where every five minutes you have to sit down and wait for a scripted character to finish their spiel. You get a few important story beats and then you're off to start playing the game for a healthy stretch before the game makes you stop again.

if they just lowered the accuracy of the soldiers it won't be so bad
getting hit for 20dmg at long range for showing yourself for 0.1 sec is retarded and makes any fight with them annoying

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=608116737
They gutted it.

Can't ppl just console command the jump height?

posting literally who retards should be a permaban

keep pretending hl was good

The jump height definitely is lower but I can't remember BM requiring crouch-jumping more often than HL.

You can increase it a little that way, but not by much. As far as I remember, at least, because it was a long time ago, maybe they've changed it.

i enjoyed it

Like I said in a lot people claimed what you say, or even that jump height had been untouched.
I was shocked by the change, because it was so drastic, but so many people made these claims defending BM, I started doubting, and I reinstalled HL. Both original and Source, just to check. In BM you crouch-jump all the time. And never in the original.

HALF LIFE SUCKS

>HL1 isn't a spectacular game
most retarded post in this thread

>Brofist x 1

>And never in the original
You're full of shit.

rpgcodex is the elite hq of gaming.

Nah. You never need to jump-crouch in HL1. You can, but you never need to.

>the game asked me to conserve my health and ammo
>figure out a puzzle
>then fight my way through the ending
Sounds like a terrible design, better cut it and replace it with the train that goes around disneyland.

Xen, motherfucker

ADMIT IT VALVE GAMES RUINED GAMING

Even in Xen. You can do it without jump-crouch.

On a Rail got gutted in half.
Also good luck with Questionable Ethics. You're gonna need it.

>valve-kun has been spamming the same autistic anti-valve screencaps from rpgcodex and talking to himself about how valve sucks for over a year in order to get a rise from people

I'm not sure if he's dedicated or just plain retarded.

hl destroyed fps level design
>muh valve-kun boogeyman
fuck off

Who is this guy and why should I fucking care?

DUDE SCRIPTED SEQUENCES LMAO
MUH BULLET SPONGES
MUH CORRIDORS
MUH REALISM
MUH EASY BRAINDEAD PUZZLES
MUH CAKE IS A LIE XD XD XD
MUH NO SKILL MULTIPLAYER FPS
FUCK VALVE AND ITS DRONES
you have to be a fucking retard to believe they made games as good as system shock, doom or deus ex.

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formerly cute AND funny

>HL2
>good level design

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RPGCODEX DESTROYED THE ORANGE BOX WHILE YOU Yea Forums ZOOMIES SANG STILL ALIVE XD XD DX XD DX
THEY KNOW PORTAL, TF AND CS SUCK.

You probably haven't played any of those games.

>You probably haven't played any of those games.

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>that man got prime cunny AND got to grow old with her
he lived the dream bros

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He's not wrong, Echoes is the definitive HL1 remake mod

he did too user

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These are all good opinions

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They specifically cut down On a Rail because a common complaint was that it's super tedious in og HL1. on the flip side, they are expanding Xen so that it's not just a short shitty platformer.

>raped the magnum
what, you can 1 shot pretty much any humanoid foe with a headshot

>insane windup that's impossible to avoid
I don't really like hitscan attacks but they CAN miss (rarely), and they give enough warning that if you get hit it's probably your fault

what's the matter valve trannies? the truth hurts?

Honestly i want this thread to keep going just to see if he keeps going, it seems weird he never uses (you)s though

portal sucks, the witness and the talos principle are better.
quake and doom are better than hl, cs and tf.
killing floor is better than l4d
literally all valve produces is casual garbage for the masses.
of course the valve trannies will lynch me after this.

Ricochet is the greatest game ever made faggot, name one game better than it

>Ricochet is the greatest game ever made faggot, name one game better than it

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>Dad, how did you and mom meet?
Imagine how awkward this conversation was.

Name a better game

>Name a better game

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NAME IT

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TRON

thats it i won valve drones. there is nothing you can do about it.

YOU STILL HAVEN'T NAMED IT, TRON IS A MOVIE DAMMIT

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WATCH WATCH WATCH VALVE DRONES
youtube.com/watch?v=k7SMb0FabF8

this guy types like a fag

>Multiplayer netcode was so shit the developer had to tell people not to play it
Get dabbed on fag. RICOCHET FOREVER!

>calling the highbrow rpgcodex posters fags
ok pleb

Black Messa

If rpgcodex is so fucking good why the fuck don't you go back there Dayyãlu?

POP-POP-POPAMOLE GAMEPLAY

>takes all their memes from us, even the shitty wojack/pepe ones
>calls us plebs

I enjoyed Black Mesa more than Half Life 2, but the original Half Life blow them both out of the water.

>muh shit quake ripoff is good
>i like slippery slidey controls and shitty guns

>hrr muh aliens!

Eh, works for me.

HOLY SHIT HLKEKS BTFO

They cant recover after that post.
We did it.

>xen is no longer creepy and weird
come on

I don't care about RPGCux

>I dont care what they said about the remake of my shitty quake mod.
What did hlfags mean by this?

That they don't care about your opnion and prefer to just enjoy the games they like? Seems like a better use of time than spamming a thread on a Mongolian basket weaving forum

Mmmmmmm delicious hlfags tears

See

Wow, you might actually be retarded.

There was still the more complete version of On A Rail, like here:
moddb.com/mods/black-mesa-on-a-rail-uncut

as well as Surface Tension Uncut:
moddb.com/mods/black-mesa-surface-tension-uncut

>literalwho on fucking RPGcodex
Kill yourself.

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>no argument
the state of brainwashed hlfags

The thing is you seem to believe your opnion is the objective truth but it's not, what feels good for you might not feel good for others and vice versa, so why would anyone waste their time arguing preferences we can't change? That's the thing the guy that spams these threads will never understand, people have different tastes, you think the controls are shit while others like it, there'll never be any victory or conclusion to be reached here, just bitter arguments from someone who will never accept this.

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The Questionable Ethics ambush in Black Mesa was literally the funnest part of all of both BM or HL1. Git gud you casual retard.

The cut it down massively, because everyone thought it was the most boring part of HL1. Keep in mind it's still there, it's just nowhere near as long and obnoxious.

Hey, it hasn't aged well in stuff like the graphics, but there was a creepy horror vibe and the gameplay was still good just based off my memory of it all those years ago. I liked it more than Half Life 2.

ITS SUBJECTIVE DUDE

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and no refutation yet

You seem upset, realized the futility of your spam yet?

FUCK HALO AND FUCK HALF LIFE
FUCK CS TOO
THEY KILLED FPS.

ZOOMIE ZOOMIE ZOOMIE HL ZOOMIES ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM HARDER

This nigga here knows what's up
youtube.com/watch?v=FtTmiYA5D4k

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RICOCHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

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dddaaaaaLLLLLLEEEEE

FUCK OFF I BTFO YOU HLFAGS AND HALOKEKS TOO

RICOCHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

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CORRIDOR GARBAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

RICOCHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET DOESN'T EVEN HAVE CORRIDORS YOU FAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

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please please admit valve games are garbage

He's not wrong. HL2 forced that shitty cone fire SMG too often and the combat felt lackluster as a result.

cope

RPGCODEX BAD

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VALVE GOOD
HALF LIFE GOOD
PORTAL GOOD
CS GOOD
TF2 GOOD
L4D GOOD RICOCHET
STEAM GOOD

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YOU COULDN'T EVEN FORMAT IT RIGHT TO TRY AND SHIT TALK RICOCHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET BECAUSE YOU CAN'T NO CAN SHIT TALK THE FUCKING KING

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and why should I care about this forum poster

because they have better taste than Yea Forums

I'm not seeing it

>TF2 GOOD
this but unironically

Keep seething valve drones.

Just take your pills already

I will never stop until your company dies.

> a pity.
ISHYGD take the opinion of someone that types like this seriously.

The half life series and valve games are a pity.

bms is less painful if you played all the goldsrc hl games and mods a million times already.
Sound design and floaty movement when playing w/ original always run are awful

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Do you give up, black mesa shills?

bump.

Who cares what some random has to say? im going to go buy Black Mesa now

>is half life realistic

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it was trying to be quake in a realistic setting