Banjo’s moveset

How do you feel about the moves we’ve been shown, what moves would you like to see added or how would you change they’re current moves

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I was really surprised that Sakurai went out of his way to reference Breegull Bash, it's a thing that could potentially be a bad look without context.

Then again he gave Joker a legit gun and one of Hero's spells is a kamikaze so he likely doesn't give a hoot anymore

I'm happy with it, Sakurai clearly did his homework on what they do in their games.

They seem about what I expected except I wasn't expecting Wonderwing to be a side dash; this is good, though. I was actually expecting clockwork Kazooie instead of a grenade egg and wish it was that instead, but it's fine.

Also wondering if any other moves besides side dash are tied to ammo, and what the side dash become when it doesn't have feathers left. It'd be cool if spring pad is the ammo-less recovery and flight pad/beak bomb is the recovery if you have feathers.

Yeah I’d love it if they have attacks that are kinda op but items spawn that you have to pick up to use them

Very happy - I like that we seem to be getting a lot of Tooie as well. Breegull Bash always seemed like a no-brainer for a forward Smash but I was still surprised to see it, as I would've thought it was too obscure of an attack for them to use. Wouldn't have expected Breegull Blaster either, so it was cool to see that as well.

Really hoping that you can extent Feathery Flap to extend your airtime, like you can in the Banjo games. In terms of other attacks, I'm hoping that they use Taxi Pack as his grab, and assuming Beak Buster his his dAir, it'd be neat if holding down the attack button would change it into Bill Drill. Any sort of Stop 'n' Swop reference, like a win pose with a ? Egg and Ice Key, would be cool as well. At this point I'm pretty content with how they're being depicted and how much they've drawn from the games.

i wonder what their franchise logo would be. just a bk? grunty's silhouette?

stfu. can this game fucking exist for 1 day without some of you smashfags making some new fucking suggestions. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLAY THE GAME

I'm jealous because his side special is exactly what I wanted for Samus as a Speed Booster attack.

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A Jiggy, it’s a no-brainer

You can’t speculate about a character you like because I said so

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It's a jiggy.

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Kazooie has quite a beak.

I'm wondering if she can cylce through the different eggs, or if she always caughs blue eggs and farts grenade eggs.

I really hope his Dair is Beak Buster and can be charged into Drill Bill. Beak Buster could do like Yoshi Down Special knockback, and charging it could turn it into a shield breaker.

I hope you can act out of shitting grenade eggs faster than what was shown in the trailer

That seems like a no brainer but they did make ratataprap his bait instead of fair so who knows

For his dair they could make it the spring boots that spike or pack sack that works like young link’s dair

You know I hadn't really though of Kamikazee in the context of anything but Dragon Quest, that is kind of fucked up actually. Joker's guns are plastic though even if it's super obvious they had to rewrite P5's script in development to change them from real guns

Have we seen their fair?

Nah it could just be ratataprap aswell but who knows

Dash attack needs to be the roll

I'm hoping he has a down air spike. It'll probably be the beak buster though

I wish every character could be as accurate as Banjo looks to be. Even in Ultimate, some characters like Ridley just lack some of their basic shit like the pogo tail.

His FS being the Jinjonator makes me happy.

I know right, been thinking about that for years

Yeah but you get an ebin tail stab that's nigh impossible to land and has zero knockback. And let's not forget his S tier recovery!

His aerial downb should’ve been pogo

Pogo tail is a glaring omission, but I can't really say many character lack iconic things that would be considered basic.
Of course there's Ganondorf, but most other things people want are move re-shuffle like Wario's Shoulder Bash being forward special or some getting moveset updates that give them more flavor like Sonic

>tfw smash has gotten to the point where only special moves can be unique

I'm expecting the down throw to be the Bill Drill and his down smash to be the Pack Whack. Hopefully we see the ice, fire and clockwork eggs as well

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How would Tail Pogo translate to Down Special? It's really only a move that only works in the air, Down Air should be tail pogo.
Also his recovery being bad doesn't really tie into accurate portrayal. Otherwise Wario's would be shit, Samus' would be godlike, and Kirby would be able to float indefniitely

i'm hoping the beak buster will come out quick like toon link's down air but be able to bounce off people like young link's

>How would Tail Pogo translate to Down Special?
It could be something like melee Shiek's side special where you control his tail with the stick and if you point it down and it hits the ground you can do a tail pogo.

considering Kazooie is out for the dash it'll probably be the one from Tooie with her wings out

side B probably has super armor/invulnerability when you use a feather, but once you run out you lose those properties.

Wario’s got Vampire Wario and Spring Wario though. Pretty sure Spring Wario goes up indefinitely. Speaking of which, please give Wario a move set overhaul. His Up B is so generic, I’d be fine if they replaced it and it was his only transformation move.

Imagine if his down special is the sleeping bag move from tooie that lets him recover infinite health

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Wario Cyclone is based off of the Corkscrew Conk from World.

Based

Have you seen that move before? In Smash it’s a generic spin jump upwards.

What will his victory animations be besides the obvious screen tap?

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>Nigh impossible to land
You'd be surprised how easy it can actually be, especially in mid air.

Yeah, but the motion is similar. Moves have been stretched in the context of Smash before, look at Shulk with most of his monado arts not even coming from his game, Rosalina shooting star bits even though they do nothing like that in Galaxy, or most of the Pokemon.

I know, but I hate genericism in a game that’s supposed to be a crossover and dedication to these characters, they should be doing their specific things. Especially for Wario, who doesn’t really play or act like he does in his games. Even if he had a made up move set, at the least he should be a superheavy grappler.

>1. Screen tap and then posing with instruments
>2. Transformation magic sequence that ends with Banjo & Kazooie turning into a washing machine
>3. Banjo & Kazooie playing keepy uppy with Grunty's skull

>Jiggy dance
>Note Door dance
>Kazooie fucking around with Banjo and then he strangles her just like the original idle animation

I'd argue his moveset moreso accentuates the wacky and weird side of Wario.
Macho Wario hasn't really been his persona for a while, and even when it was it still played second banana to his Wacky/Gross/Greedy sides in in spinoffs.
I'd also argue that being a superheavy grappler isn't very unique in the context of smash at all, whereas Wario really only plays like he does.

even though they seem pretty far in, we have to remember that they don't come out until fall, so they'll probably change some minor details about them

Kinda unrelated but one of my issues I have with modern smash bros characters is that it makes older smash bros characters look like fossils in terms of movesets and whatnot

They didn't really start to give a shit about moveset accuracy until brawl/smash 4.

I see this meme and I really just don't get it.
Nobod complains about Ness. Nobody complains about Captain Falcon. Not about Jigglypuff. Not about Luigi, not about Bowser (bar his voice), not about Fox, not about Zelda, not about DK, not about Mario even.
This only ever applies to character people have a problem with, It's retarded otherwise.

it's funny you say that because I actually had someone like Kirby in mind

I'm not even talking about how "faithful" it is to their games. I think that Kirby's moves kinda just suck

It's literally the moveset I imagined for him.
>side-b invincibility dash
>up-b jump pad
>aerial Kazooie pecking
>final smash with Jinjos

It's just perfect.

Kirby's moveset isn't fundamentally bad. It's just the he's a character who relies on getting and doing damage when his speed goes in direct contrast with that. A speed boost, and maybe some intangibility on his feet would do wonders.
Also, suck in what context if not faithfulness? The only outright bad characters listed were Jigglypuff and Kirby. And there's even a case to be made for Jiggs being low-middle anyways.

Nah, his main personality traits in HIS game were greed and his manliness. He’s always had good muscle definition and even in WarioWare he’s seen just working out sometimes. Smash Wario doesn’t have a single reference to coins or greed, which is a pretty shit representation of the character on a base level. Not to mention, he barely even does anything from his games, both Land and Ware. In Mario games, he’s always a beefy power type character who acts like a big asshole, never really being weird or that quirky. I don’t care if it’s a more unique function for him to fly around, it’s about representation. None of you would be playing Smash anyway if it was Dragon King, you’re playing it because it has established characters.

People don't complain because they're used to the characters being that way at this point, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't like to see them given the same kind of love that modern additions are.

I'm not disagreeing that greed and machoness should be accentuated more, I'm just stating that his weird/wacky side was ALWAYS there since his base conception as evil mario, and that's what they chose to focus on. You really can't say he's never been weird or quirky when one of his games had him blindly following the whims of mysterious entity, only to find out it's a giant clown. One of them had him jump into a tv and be accompanied by a talking staff. Hell, in his latest, he wears a fucking toilet on his head thinking it's some magical device.
I aslo think he could use more from his base games, but his moveset flows together well, so I can't complain. Maybe change his smashes since those are all fucking terrible.There really isn't much to pull from WarioWare since he's never had a consistent set of microgame themes, so I thought they always just took inspirations from that with his jerky movements.
Also, you complained about genericism, then now say you don't care about his unique functions. Have consistency.

I think the things that happened to Wario were weird, not necessarily the character himself. His move set flows together, but most of what he does isn’t specific to him, which is what I mean by genericism. Good function, bad Wario.

I agree. If characters were up for being redesigned, Wario would be my first choice. Everything about him just doesn't seem like Wario. Even down to his proportions, voice clips, and basic animations.

>most of what he does isn't specific to him
Yes... they are? I don't know any character who claps upwards for an Up Aerial, launches their entire body backwards for a back aerial, or who farts strong enough to KO foes at 40%.
And the moves he shares could easily be taken back to the evil mario concept. The headbutt, spin, forward throw, and forward smash You're complaint that the doesn't seem like wholly like Wario is one thing, but to say he's a complete departure and also generic is plain wrong.

Mii costumes:
>Rash (Brawler)
>Horstachio (Brawler)
>Joana Dark (Gunner)
>Sabreman (Swordfighter)
>Jinjo hat
>Mumbo skull

>I don't know any character who claps upwards for an Up Aerial, launches their entire body backwards for a back aerial, or who farts strong enough to KO foes at 40%
I don't know when he ever did anything like that on his adventures.
>And the moves he shares could easily be taken back to the evil mario concept.
That just seems like a big step backward, since he fully developed his own identity by the time he starred in his second game.

That's extremely stupid. d-air is the obvious and easiest choice for the tail pogo. Just make it so that it can bounce on the ground instead of only when it hits an opponent like Link's d-air does.

He's too big for a dair like that.

By generic, I just mean shit that’s randomly made up for Wario. Sure, in the context of Smash, it’s a unique up air, but it doesn’t do anything for the character who has so much to work with. Like when the fuck has Wario used an atomic fart to attack when he could use the Wario Bomb for his down b or something.

also, what said. This isn’t Mario Land 2 anymore. Wario has two of his own series and has become more than just an inversion of Madio. Back throw is from World anyway, in that game he fucking chucks them into walls compared to how dinky it is in Smash. One of the few references he has.

>I don't know when he ever did anything like that on his adventures.
I too remember when Mario used a cape, fire flower, and FLUDD on demand. Remember when Zelda turned into Shiek and started shooting needles and flip kicking? NOt to downplay her martful use of long-range Djinn's fire of course. Let's not forget the timeIncineroar pulled rops from the ground and launched his foes into it, classic use of Alolan Whip! Oh, Snake calling in an airstrike on one of hs missions was wild.
Whether or not they do it doesn't mean jack shit if it fits the character, which it does in this case.
>That just seems like a big step backward, since he fully developed his own identity by the time he starred in his second game.
No, that's also false.Wario being greedy, weird, and evil is directly derived from a contrast to Mario's selfless, milquetoast, good-guy schtik.
To say he's not evil Mario is to decry all the traits he was given BECAUSE he was evil Mario.

Eh. Wario's style in Smash just isn't Wario. His kind of play style and moveset would fit better for Waluigi.

I feel like you can’t compare Zelda, who had to have a made up move set by virtue of not doing anything, to Wario.

Toilet humor has been a part of Wario since World (and even before that in some of the Land and Ware games), Down Special fits him just fine.
Yeah, his Up Air COULD be something new, but what exactly does Wario do that goes up anyways. Not to say it shouldn't be changed, It's just that none of his games are very keen on aerial play.

I don’t think that he shouldn’t have any sort of crassness, but the grossest thing he does in his games is pick his nose or shake his ass. I don’t have a problem with the up air specifically, but it would be neat to see if they pulled a move from a microgame or something.

i hope they're good, but i wonder if this'll be his f air or not. that move would be good as fuck.

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>I too remember when Mario used a cape, fire flower, and FLUDD on demand.
Yeah, those are all things Mario has done.
>Remember when Zelda turned into Shiek and started shooting needles and flip kicking?
What is Smash contradicting here? Did Sheik have his own series of adventures that Smash is blatantly ignoring? Wario is a very well-defined characted with a well-defined personality and he has a certain style of combat, none of which Smash is accurately depicting.
>NOt to downplay her martful use of long-range Djinn's fire of course. Let's not forget the timeIncineroar pulled rops from the ground and launched his foes into it, classic use of Alolan Whip! Oh, Snake calling in an airstrike on one of hs missions was wild.
Zelda is magic, and using the magic moves from OoT suits her. Incineroar is just a Pokemon, and he's a generic wrestler. I can't defend Snake's FS since I haven't played MGS in quite a while.
>Whether or not they do it doesn't mean jack shit if it fits the character, which it does in this case.
Well, not in Wario's case, no. He's not a tiny, quirky, loony wacky boyman. He's a gruff, macho, and arrogant guy that acts tough.
>No, that's also false.
No, it isn't. Eveything he is and does isn't made in relation to Mario ever since Wario Land 2. It's all derived from his own defined character.

I wouldn't say the grossest thing he does is just that, I don't need to bring up "wearing a toilet on his head" again. He also drew poop in Master of Disguise, vacuumed coins in Wario World, and a game manual specifically states how hard he can fart and how big his bladder is. Also, eating raw Garlic is considered pretty damn disgusting by nearly everyone on the planet, but I know he was just given that trait because the shape resembles his nose, so whatever

I can hear this picture

and Farting, Riding a Bike, tossing someone while spinning with high force chomping foes, eating Garlic, making his hands a "W", etc. are all things Wario has done. Smash portrays his actions in a goofy and comedic way, which is ALSO a big art of his character. It seems less like your purposefully leaving out things he does do that are reminiscent of his games.
Also saying Incinceroar is a "generic wrestler" and that Zelda "is magic" doesn't help at all. Let alone you just boiling down their characters to basic traits, you bascally just admitted that doing certain things they don't usually it fine if in character.
Wario is wacky and gross, and smash exemplifies that. I don't see and inherent problem with that moreso not referencing his canon moves, which doesn't constitute an entire playstyle change.

No, he was given that trait because of the Japanese connotation garlic has with overt manliness. Masculinity is the cornerstone of Wario's character.

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It's inspired but looks unga bunga as fuck to play

source on that Garlic claim please

Reminder, Stevefags said he'd just be a Duck Hunt clone.

>tfw anti-Roolfags said he'd be a Bowser clone and even dug up one of his DS appearances to justify him breathing fire

1. Screen knock and a thumbs up like in the intro
2. Chilling out on a lawn chair, gives that fist pump
3. Jamming on the banjo like near the end of the intro youtu.be/NjYWVia5bAM?t=82

Samus moveset revamp when
Fucking ZSS feels more like 2D Metroid-type movement than normal Samus does

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Smash 6 hopefully. They seem to know that people want it, judging from them FINALLY letting you charge neutral b in the iar.

>that one k. rool moveset image where it's just marth's specials with a sword hastily edited over k. rool renders
smashfags can be alright sometimes

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Back when Ultimate came out I was glad Ridley had a pretty simple moveset instead of having a bunch of gimmicks slapped onto him, but nowadays I kind of wish he was sort of an anti-Little Mac, or a super heavyweight version of Jigglypuff I guess. Someone who has mediocre ground moves but great air game and mobility

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Dash Attack should be a stall-then-attack like Bayonetta's. that could be a away to integrate it into the current moveset.

What if he plays the Game Boy like on the third save file of Kazooie?

Well, some characters are easier to adapt to Smash than others.

Banjo & Kazooie are the main characters of a platforming series while Ridley is typically just an unplayable, large boss monster. Sakurai had to pretty much reinvent him to get working in Smash, hence why they gave him a entirely original design unique to Smash, whereas most fan mods and mockups just took the Brawl boss battle model and scaled it down, which looks awkward.

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Instead now it's a switch

Link?