>The 70/30 revenue split offered to developers by most platform holders is "outrageous," according to Paradox Interactive's Fredrik Wester, who praised Epic Games' efforts to offer a more reasonable alternative with its own store. >"I think the 70/30 revenue split is outrageous," he said. "I think the platform holders are taking too much money. Everyone in the press here, just quote me on that." >Steam takes 30% of revenue from the majority of games on its platform -- just like platforms operated by Microsoft, Sony, Apple and others. >However, Wester suggested that the 70/30 split was based on a model established by Warner Bros. in the '70s, for the distribution of films on boxed VHS tapes. >"That was physical. It cost a lot of money," he said. >"This doesn't cost anything. So Epic has done a great job for the whole industry, because you get 88%. Fantastic move. Thank you very much." >"I think it is, especially for new developers. They have lower margins, to get into the market. But I think it's also a matter of decency. I mean, how much does it actually cost to deliver a game? >"When the competition is low, the platform holder can get a big share of the pie; as competition increases, they need to lower their part of the pie, as well. That's how the market works, right?" >For his part, Sweeney has publicly stated that it will abandon its exclusives strategy if Valve changes Steam's revenue share to offer developers a more favourable deal.
At the end of the article Raul Rubio says that steam is too overcrowded for new games for them to compete and that's why the EGS is better. Though the only Paradox Interactive game on EGS is Vampire Bloodlines. Maybe more to come?
I feel really bad for GOG, Tim attacks GOG as much as he attacks Steam.
Easton Brooks
Steam gives a huge boost in sales for any game there, 30% is a lot but the sales you gain from being on their platform is worth. If they think the deal is raw just change to Epic but in the end it's just gonna lose them money cause no one wants to use that chinkshit
Tyler Stewart
for how many days do chink shill usually spam these threads?
Jayden Bailey
Reminder that Tencent has a significant stake in Paradox, and that Paradox has been spending the last few years on an aggressive acquisition binge.
Robert Morris
Publishers killed gog before epic was even a thing
Carson Hill
gog laid off a bunch of workers this year exclusivity deals are bad for the pc market
Lincoln Watson
Steam was complete garbage at launch even with that 30%. It took them more than a decade to stop being complete shit.
Austin Collins
Tim Sweeny is a god.
All Gabe does is spend his money on food and living the rich guy lifestyle.
I hope they go full retard and take their GSGs out of steam and into EGS so retarded whales would stop buying that fucking DLC
Aiden Campbell
hilarious how these threads are in the same exact format is it just one person behind them?
Jaxson Hill
Gog is able to do barely any games. But that wasn't the point Pubilisher and devs started to reject gog cut and they had to re-arranged that. Due to how small GoG is they barely exsist at this point
Owen Bennett
>paradox calling anyone else's business practices outrageous
How about charging full price for mspaint map simulators that are barebones skeletons for selling hundreds of dollars of future DLC packs?
It fascinates me how Sweeny alone has done so much fucking long term damage to his brand.
Christopher Lee
/thread Tim is literally a good person compared to a greedy fat fuck
Bentley Gomez
I still haven’t forgave them for removing the other FTL methods from sellaris.
Adrian Butler
What do you expect from a publisher full of former-EA employees?
Julian Smith
I would kill sweeney if I ever happened to come across him. He's actively trying to kill gaming along with sony. Both need to be eradicated asap.
Colton Cruz
i just want to play video games man i wouldnt mind using egs for example metro exodus but steam is way better for a daily use than egs this shit is so tiresome
I wonder if they're bitching because years of shit dlc policies and completely butchering their own franchises has tanked their profits. I'm not certain but it would be nice. Hopefully they move to Ebin and go out of business.
Jonathan Morales
What's outrageous is selling an incomplete game and charge more than 100$ for the completed version. Fucking hypocritical pieces of trash.
gamergays from 8gag are used to running generals for their autism, because their website is dead and run by morons. anytime they get some kind of desirable headline for curating the kind of outrage they want, they come here, and they turn that clickbait into a stealth general. 90% chance all pro-egs posts are gators falseflagging
Tencent Holdings Limited Owner: Naspers (31.2%) Naspers was founded in 1915 Naspers first published the Afrikaans language daily De Burger (later renamed Die Burger) in June 1915
Hmmm. Die, Burger. What did they mean by this?
John Bailey
valve is owned by gabe and other cofounders it's probably been an extremely profitable investment for them
Jackson Scott
Yeah but Paradox is based unlike Epic. They have a store for their own games but they also put them on Steam and GOG. They also understand how important Steam Workshop is and what a draw it is for their titles. They are absolutely right that steam is an overcrowded platform with too high a revenue share. But they're also not like Ebin, bringing "exclusives" cancer to the PC market and having a shitty forced spyware launcher. Paradox games don't even use DRM because they know it's a waste of time and more cost effective to not use it.
Nathaniel Jenkins
THIS THREAD BROUGHT TO YOU BY TENCENT WE CHING YOUR CHANG
Elijah Cook
I would buy The Sinking City but it's on epic. fuck epic
they will sell less because of this, they will leant to appreciate valve 30% cut
Daniel Morales
Then move to Epic you nordic jews, nobody will miss you. Nevermind how Epic claims its impossible to sustain a business with the payment mechanisms that allow steam to give lower prices to less developed regions, as well as (increasingly less common) big sales. Fuck all jews everywhere.
just pirate the game and buy wherever when epic's exclusivity is over (or don't idc)
Luis Jenkins
The Danes are right when they say behind every jew is a swede
Cameron Cox
People don't mention this a lot because most people who pay for vidya live in developed nations. But for me, as a third world dwelling individual, regional Steam pricing is the only reason I buy my video games. I still pirate games from developers who don't offer regional pricing, like Bethesda.
why buy it at all, even later on? Tim Sweeney already paid for my copy.
Nicholas Baker
Epic is also private. Stocks don't have to be public for third parties to own them you fucking zoomer
William Miller
>lay off 20 people >hire 250 more Nice reading comprehension, mutt.
Henry Jackson
Then show me how much % of stocks has Tencent in Valve.
Ethan Stewart
Paradox buys out studios after their one-and-done hit is over. The EA in their blood is tainted though, because you are supposed to milk the studios to death, not buy their corpses. Paradox probably worries that all of the shit they bought up with shareholder's cash may not pan out.
Gavin Morales
>70/30 split is outrageous, but a DLC with 5 features every 2 months for 1/4 price of the base game is perfectly fine. Now please stop thinking for ourselves, having standards and complaining and just give us more of your money. t. Paradox Interactive
Jack Nelson
yeah lay off 10% of your gog staff due unprofitability and hire for cyberpunk 2077 development you are incredibly stupid
that's very nice and all, but why should I "the guy buying shit" care about how much money they make?
also, install a fucking shopping cart on your store, like holy shit its been almost a year.
James Hughes
You fucked up the activation process, probably. You need to launch the game from Steam after buying a new DLC so it activates it and then you can copy the game wherever you want and play without Steam. I guess it is a form of DRM, but it's not an usual one.
Brandon Thompson
What is China replacing windows with? Bars?
Landon King
Literally fake news. The guy wasn't talking about Steam.
>buying more than one digital game at once fuck off whale
Daniel Johnson
And it's a former Paradox CEO too, so not even someone speaking for the company.
Cameron Morales
>you need to launch the game from steam Sounds like DRM to me. Also I don't have goy4 in my steam library. Because I pirated it, that's the entire point.
Cooper Rivera
and GNARLY
Joshua Gonzalez
>please don't hurt us lord gaben fucking hell
Levi Foster
I just hope Cities Skylines 2 is not an Epic exclusive. Really though, the game would fail massively without the Steam workshop support so I probably don't have to worry.
Justin Collins
So if the 30% margin isn't justified why don't publishers like Paradox make their own platforms and sell their games there, ala EA/Ubisoft?
Carter Watson
Paradox, you make WAY too much overpriced DLC. I think you should suck on this dick before I stop buying your games.
Tyler Gutierrez
Steam just acts as a download client. The base game works without launching it even once. When it comes to DLC, you need to launch the game once with DLCs activated after you bought them so they know it's legit. Afterwards you can copy the game's folder, uninstall Steam and never use it again. That is unless you plan on buying more DLC. Not that different from having to log in to your GOG account to download install files, aside from the fact you do need to install the client for a moment.
Isaiah Flores
ahahahaha like clockwork
Josiah Adams
Maintenance costs
Evan Richardson
he still works for the company you retard he's on the board and a major shareholder
Initial cost, maintenance cost and online shops give exposure.
Dominic Hughes
they did and it was called gamersgate and it was a failure
Chase Harris
My bad then. Still fake news since he didn't mean Steam.
Kevin Foster
what are you on about, didnt you read how digital distribution is free?
Matthew Baker
It does operate in the same way steam does
Parker Brooks
Are you senile?
Jordan Torres
The huge part of that was that you ALWAYS had fucking checksum problems with Paradox games if you bought them there.
Hunter Nelson
Oh, of course :^)
Angel Taylor
He clearly did, it's fucking damage control you moron
Justin Rogers
i think releasing $20 """expansions""" that add like 3 buttons to click is outrageous
Aaron Gomez
Because you're a retard who ran some russian .exe or dropped in their edited .dll because they said you had to. Enjoy your miner
Nicholas Cook
Paradox is probably just mad that their last big release got review bombed for being garbage on steam right out of the gate.
Carson Stewart
is it true that the nazis killed anyone in your country with an iq over 90, because they knew they must be jews
Austin Brooks
Paradox does't care about damage control. Johan has been insulting players since forever and they never apologize.
Brayden Cook
>Johan has been insulting players since forever and they never apologize. And it clearly shows with their massive success with Imperator:Rome.
Wyatt Jackson
>Imperator:Rome
What is this? A Total War clone?
Jose Martinez
What in the fuck are you even going on about? Lay off the air duster user.
Parker Rogers
That was a failure due to steam, not due to game being bad.
Bentley Jones
That's just because the game is super barebones. Most of people playing GSG don't care about Johan's petty insults, they just care about the game. The problem is each consecutive Paradox release is more barebones than the previous one, has more aggressive DLC policy and worse AI. If their titles didn't have those problems Johan could've called all players pathetic scum and the games would still sell.
>That was a failure due to steam, not due to game being bad. They literally made text wall posts about how they messed up and are going to redesign the game. Even the paracuck forums which are usually full of drones was in full revolt mode over the state of the game. Johan himself gave up on his original ideas and decided to revise it. They admit it's bad themselves
That would be exceedingly retarded of them. I hope they do it.
Ian Brooks
It can't manage protecting its colonies in EU4 which is why Portugal, Spain and Netherlands have half the world colonized in a few years since they don't have to deal with uprisings.
Austin Ross
thank you gog chan, will you join me and my ryzens for a drink?
This shit ruins HOI4 for me, because even though the game is supposed to be about giant wars between multiple factions, you're the only one who will ever actually do anything as "complicated" as doing naval invasions. Let's say you're playing as a minor like Romania or Hungary in the axis. You can have kicked the allies out of western europe and africa, and have totally conquered the soviet union, but unless you yourself personally intervene to do an operation sealion against Britain, your axis AI partners will NEVER EVER do it themselves. You could just go into observe mode and wait 20 in-game years and they'll still not even make even the slightest attempt despite having every advantage in the world at that point.
So why even designa game set up like that when you're going to have to solo everything yourself?
>paradox accusing anyone of being greedy o am laffin
Brayden Nelson
based amd selling its processor designs to chinks because their business is a failure
Nolan Barnes
How about you make Imperator Rome playable before you make hypocritical statements like that you swedish cucks.
Austin Wilson
he is so based, he bough metro exodus for me
Jaxson Adams
>This doesn't cost anything Haha yeah these guys don't have to run servers and pay people to build and manage the entire ecosystem I remember when Valve revolutionized games for developers because they only asked 30% which is ridiculously little compared to what they end up paying for physical
Luke Gray
Based Gabe
Cameron Gutierrez
Greetings from a supposedly rich country, I'm glad steam did this. I've found so many bros around the world.
>developers let themselves get raped through the asshole by publishers >spend twice as long as necessary to make a game >waste effort into parts of the game that don’t even matter >cut tons of content to sell later >over half the budget is marketing >game is fucking garbage anyway >no one wants to buy it because it sucks >now you’re known for being lazy and stupid so your sales forever take a hit But no, it’s the cut from the platform publisher that ruins it all. FUCK big studio developers. There are tons of development teams with less than 10 people that love their job, make games they like playing, and still find enough success to pay their bills and raise families. Have some self respect and hold up your end of the bargain before you start your entitled whining
t.brainlet arab who cant fathom the conceptuality of grand strategy games.
Jace Davis
and yet Epic had all the time and money to just copy everything steam had it before they launched and they couldn't even put in a fucking shopping cart
Ethan Butler
Grand strats are easy as fuck. The people who play them are casuals who want to feel intelligent so they play these games that imply intelligence but they're actually just menu clickers with infinite pause times for dummies to plan their next move, and they are ridiculously easy to cheese. The real big brain games will always be competitive skill based games like fighting games, rts, and arena shooters.
Owen Martinez
The fuck are you talking about 2.x stellaris is miles ahead of the old one. thanks to xatab I can always get the latest version easily
Jace Hughes
Unironically yikes.
Colton Phillips
pdxidf pls
Camden Bailey
>why don't publishers like Paradox make their own platforms they do paradoxplaza.com
What does the price of beef have to do with the price of distributing data over the internets?
Jacob Sanchez
>competitive skill based anyone get get into and play those at surface level,but you just have to be autistically obsessed with min maxing,metas and practice like a deprived creature to be good at them. grand strategy are easy to play,but getting into them requires some sort of learning which brainlets couldn't do. also buying a paradox game makes one into a brainlet automatically.
James Gutierrez
nothing, just like transfer costs have nothing to do with the price to access apple or valve's customers
Jason Cox
All of paradox's fans are on steam. If they really tried to switch and do exclusive deals or pull their games then WW3 would happen. Their fans may be autisitc enough to buy their 40 buck dlc day one but not to put up with the epic,store.
Jose Johnson
paradox has been on my "guilt free pirate" for a while now
are you going to tell me about your mental diagnosis you seem to have serious inference deficits
Evan Price
>ever feeling guilty about pirating
Jonathan Lewis
>getting into them requires some sort of learning which brainlets couldn't do Because while simple, they have lots of mechanics and interactions, so the average ADHD "gamer" dislikes them.
