PROFESSIONAL DOTA

>fed max level team obliterates roshan effortlessly
woah this is bullshit!!!!

Is that a bad thing? I'm assuming the ghosts took some time to set up and they're all pretty high level it seems like.

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Notice how easy it is to make up shit when you know just enough about the game to throw names around, but don't actually play

What's the issue? It takes longer to set up a one-shot than it does to kill him normally and it's easy to stop him from setting it up.

I was gonna mention that, lol

>Is that a bad thing?
No, dota was always full of exploitative shit and people abused every possible bug/imbalanced shit even in professional game.

Worst when this happens in other areas. You just drop some names or concepts and people without any idea will believe it because it "sounds" truthful.

>not one mentions the timer @ 49 mins
this game used to be done in 15-25
fuck even hots drags and thats only 20 min games

This. Stopped playing Dota to play LoL because Dota became more like LoL and LoL became more like Dota.

>this game used to be done in 15-25
Since when?

Which should have still been a thing as it was incredibly risk vs reward. The kind of thing Dota was known for before valve took over and made it into a BIG ESPORTSSSSS

You are being ridiculous user. That's not what happens at all.

it's funny how this entire thread makes me want to play dota because people are mad that you are given multiple choices in a video game to win and it's Bull Crap because you thought around the problem instead of doing the "Correct" way.

what the hell is wrong with you retards. I mean, I don't like Dota at all (more fun than LoL though because LoL is the worst thing I can imagine!)

>Pudge Fountain hooking w Chen

take me back

>mount stupid rears its ugly head

>Is that a bad thing? I'm assuming the ghosts took some time to set up and they're all pretty high level it seems like.
It's a thing that nobody ever did with Arc. Nobody even used that talent and instead used lifesteal.

I stopped playing Dota 2 right around the time they released the new UI, it was around that time they turned the game into fucking garbage. You can deny it all you want but you just look fucking stupid.

How could they kick such a beautiful woman?

Fucking transphobic bigots.

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>this game used to be done in 15-25
?????
DotA has always lasted for 30 to 60 minutes, and some games even dramatically longer (up to two hours)

>tfw luna is completely shit on by night stalker because they are too incompetent to put back the original mechanics.

No one cares when you stopped playing it, 3k shitlord.
Your feedback about Dota is completely irrelevant.

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>They were trying to kill Roshan, a boss-type creature which typically requires multiple players to hit him for about half a minute until he dies. Phoenix, the bird at the bottom, used his laser attack which deals percentual hp damage. Some bug caused this to instantly kill Roshan, in a professional competitive game.
Based user baited those retards.

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ti4 deathball meta

>this game used to be done in 15-25
Zoom Zoom. Early dota was about 4 heroes gearing 1 for 50 minutes.

Dota was, Dota is and Dota will always be the most complex ESPORT video game in history of video games.

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Deserved loss to chinks

>YOU CANT HAVE AN OPINION ON THE GAME UNLESS YOU ARE SUPER GOOD AT IT
Bulldog would like to have a word with you about how they completely neutered split pushing.

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Shrines killed dota.

Except when there was a retarded push meta.

It is my honest opinion after plenty of hours that dota is not really a fun game to play. The only enjoyment you ever get from the game consists of making the enemy team have less fun.

It is not fun to play dota, it's fun to win dota.

Starcraft says hi

>LoL mechanics
Kek

>look at muh dotabuff durrrrrrrr
way to prove my point. you're a fucking embarrassment

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Thats not what happened at all. Theres another hero there called "Arc Warden" who is using his ghost spell ability (forget what its called). Anyway, you cast the ability down on the ground, and when an enemy unit comes within the parameter of the spell, the ghost will aggro that unit and fly towards it and damage it on impact. This spell has a cooldown, but you can stack multiple instances on top of eachother. Since Roshan respawns after a certain time amount of time, he just kept spamming the ability on the spot where Roshan respawns, so that he can do massive damage once hes back.

You fucking retard.

>muh 400 APM scripted clicks

Hope you realize that they play with the brain off.

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>YOU CANT HAVE AN OPINION ON THE GAME UNLESS YOU ARE SUPER GOOD AT IT
Exactly this. The biggest mistake videogame industry has made wasn't the lootboxes, it was allowing casuals think that their opinions have any shreds of merit.

>complex ESPORT video game
>me press BUTTON
>HHAA I winnnn
With your logic OW is more complex than Dota. LoL is way ahead with the amount of constant complex mechanics you have to pump out. In Dota and OW you press one button and either you win or fail miserably.

This is dumb because it's literally scientifically proven that if you don't enjoy something you will do worse at it so the best players are always going to at least not hate playing it.

Frankly, if someone is above the 50% average and they despise the game their opinion is pretty valid.

Three Kay Shitters.

>Calling Zet "Arc Warden"
Quas Wex baka.

not complex, just execution-heavy

>bulldog, dendi, ice3, and burning are all 3k shitters
wew lad. With idiots like you playing Dota I'm glad I left.

based retard

>it was allowing casuals think that their opinions
It wasn't this either. Valve literally changed their game into a LoL clone despite both the community and pros not wanting to be "reborn".

Same can be said about dota

>irrelevant ghosts from the past

Opinions of senile retards are irrelevant.

dota doesn't require the same amount of execution as starcraft but has more complexity

It also involves more planning and more strategy overall.

I never had to put half as much effort in dota matches as I did in starcraft, and I got to 5.3k mmr and to masters in starcraft2

>counter teching
>counter building
>micro decisions
How does it feel being a bottom feeder user?

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new starcraft 2 actually seems to be an interesting strategy game.
would agree with you if you were describing broodwar.

DotA is exceedingly complex, because you have ten different heroes on any given map, each with their own mechanics, which can interact with one another and with the map in intricate and unique ways. And that's not even mentioning items. For example: Phoenix can resurrect into a fiery ball, which needs to be hit a certain amount of times to kill the bird. If Faceless Void throws his chronosphere on top of Phoenix' ball, this makes it a practically impervious bastion that shits out damage for a few seconds. But if the enemy has a Sniper, then Sniper can outrange the chronosphere, and still kill Phoenix, unless Phoenix builds a Shiva's Guard, which slows down Sniper's attack speed so he can't solo-kill Phoenix, until Sniper builds enough attack speed to overcome Shiva's (or a Black King Bar). This is an interaction between three heroes out of hundres, which is more complex than anything Overwatch can shit out.

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it's fair, first time someone did this in a pro match

yeah the blame is on the ennemy team for not warding properly/not doing anything when they got dewarded

i dont see anything wrong here. dota's a flexible game. out-of-the-box ideas are welcome and encouraged, unlike other games.

warden hero placed tons of remote mine ghosts, another hero applied a spell damage buff to Roshan (25 percent buff)

>Barely any casting items
>No deforestation
>Ward limits
>Jungling optional
I'm not sure how you're going to tell me lol ever became "like DotA"

>range and attack speed are now interesting game mechanics
There are dozens or hundreds of actually interesting hero interactions and you decide to point out that sniper can outrange shit.

Dota is probably the only moba that makes you feel like god beyond relative strength to other players. The things some heroes can do are insane

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That's what you get when your only Asian opponents are chinks.
No South Korean to show the absolute peak of performance and dominate everyone, every time, every year.

Reminder that Koreans are ALWAYS outperforming Chinks in video games. Be it WC3, SC, LoL, OW or any other game.
Dotards are incredibly and stupidly lucky to be ignored by the Korean Gods because you'd never see the sunlight of some silly westcucks or chink-chonks winning anything if the Koreans actually cared about Dota.

No grand finals but Korean team vs Korean team. Bonjwa players who won multiple TIs. Top meta and top performance from Korea.

Yep, you basically dodged the bullet, dotards.
Just look at MVP: liquipedia.net/dota2/MVP_Phoenix
5 - 6th Premier The International 2016
7 - 8th Premier The International 2015
This is the same result as VP or OG that were dominant during the whole year and winning all the majors.

And MVP is THE ONLY FUCKING KOREA TEAM that is playing Dota. They could be some tier-3 trash if the real teams and pro-players signed in to play Dota in South Korea.

You should pray every day to stay out of sight of the Korean Gods, dumb dotards.

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i dearly hope youre trolling

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Soe before Dota

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based retarded zipperhead who can't comprehend that his favorite chink variant dumbfuck of a team can't compete against based slavs.

Thing is that in the end these rarely result in anything that is actually interesting.

You can combo phoenix and faceless, sure, but that's true for about every big aoe CC, dealing with those is literally one of the first things you learn to do in the game.

Every hero has different mechanics, but many share essentially the same dynamics.

Slardar and Sven, for example, have totally different kits, they are still going to end up blinking in, stunning, and trying to bring people down.

And yes, that's just how the game is played, sure, if you are a support you try to stay safe and cast your shit to the best of your ability, if you are an initiator you look for opportunities, thing is, just identifying the kind of dynamic each hero goes for simplifies the game a truckload and leaves teamwork as most of the complexity.

Soe after Dota and being dumped by 2gd

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Don't care anymore when Icefrog killed his forums. I used to talk to him there

I hope you realize that it was Riot that killed those forums.

Fpbp
Also unironically this

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I actually did this about a week ago to a Storm Spirit. Laughed my ass off, and I’ve always done that build since. Nobody fucking plays Arc Warden so they’re all unaware of the dumb shit he can do.

this

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How can you do it with Storm? Remnants don't do so much damage.

but that takes time and ursa is defenseless while soloing rosh

>to a storm spirit
I killed a storm spirit walking uphill with a billion Arc Warden mines.

LoL introduced micro heroes?

>Nerf Techies so they can't instagib people
>Add Zet who can instagib people

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Good times

One of the worst fucking metas Dota ever went through

Long games are kino and the reason why I play Dota

>One of the worst fucking metas Dota ever went through
This meta was developed solely by Newbee and VG close to the TI finals.
Nobody used it before.

What about the memeback meta?

What about the 6.83 meta?

Ahem

7.00

The fuck are you talking about, how does NS counter Luna (to be fair she’s not very good right now) in any way more than what he does to literally any hero by running them down and silencing/slowing them?

I actually had fun during 6.83, I was the Troll picker that tormented your games. Got over 2k mmr during it, went from 2.5k to 4.5k and then never played ranked again.

Memeback was annoying but at least you got to see late game instead of matches being super short. Even if you played perfectly but lost because a fed teammate died once to their carry :^)

neck yourself dumb retard

Naga always wins in the end.

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looks like grubby in drag

navi should've been disqualified for that tbqhwy.

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not really :)

TI4 last game was finished in 15 or 20 minutes iirc. It was when you could lose one or two early teamfights and you knew there is no coming back from it.

Dota plays completely different if you go from 2k to 6k.

This is James' fault

the only people who enjoy long games are the 2 people who are playing flash farming cores

the remaining 3 heroes mostly just run around stacking and warding for the 2 people who wanted to live out their power fantasies

the best metas are the ones where carrybabbies get shit on in lane and get their shit pushed in. sadly said carrybabbies are the most vocal on forums so the game's design always gets balanced to favor them.

FUCK LIQUID
Matu deserves better

overwatch: not even once

I only play pos 3 today for around 4 years now and I love long games

>I only play pos 3
based offlanebro

You retards have been screaming about "MUH LoL" for like a decade now with zero real arguments.

i've been playing pos 3 space maker for 7 years now and i think i got tired of long games at around that 5 year mark

>game is a soup of gray, brown, and dark green
>half the characters look and play alike
>clunky-ass, outdated gameplay that is deliberately outdated so that some EU meme players can remain relevant
>Dotards are still bitterly clinging to this

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Literally nothing in your post is correct. That's impressive in its own way.

>so that some EU meme players can remain relevant

You can count the amount of relevant Tier 1 or 2 oldschool Dota players on one or both hands

btw pos 3 isn't a core 90% of the time because your pos 1 and 2 will be using up your space unless they're trash. if you're trying to do pos 3 as a space using core then you are most likely just hosing your own team

t. Seething LoLfag

>Half the characters play alike
That's amusing, coming from a Tencent League of Legends shill like you.

Hes right dota is ugly as fuck. Valve aesthetic is fucking boring and ugly, the only good thing valve does is write funny quips for them all.

Right, a handful of players(and their legions of moronic fanboys) have declared that Dota 2 should remain shitty because good games are casual

this is how trump won the election

>Dota plays completely different if you go from 2k to 6k.
Does the input lag go away?

Legitimately the best looking ASSFAGGOT on the market.

try doing this in a 6k mmr game and post vid retarded frog

perfect description of leauge of copy pastings

Dota would be so fun if they kept all the gimmicky strats in the game. Imagine if the meta included:
>fountain hooking
>tinker ancient stacking
>batrider jungle
>arc warden rapiers
>rubick perma morph stats
>lvl 1 roshes
>old Tiny + old IO
etc.
They sanitize it too much, I want to abuse bullshit and counter said bullshit, that's what strategy's all about

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>But it was totally fine when Ursa killed Roshan on lvl 4 tho!

it is possible to kill roshan with ursa on lvl1 along with WK but doent really happen in high mmr

God, questions seem so disingenuous when they have that faggotry question mark anime autism attached.

>This is James' fault
James was dumped by Gaben.

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I miss 2012/2013 Dota 2. I haven't played one game or kept up with the game since early 2014.

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i miss him so much bros, never has a funnier person graced dota. Fuck valve fuck jews and FUCK GABEN.

Started playing again after dropping the game for 3 years.
Game feels way more "violent" and less "static" than it used to be, seems like everyone can literally lane evrywhere, everyone can be any position (of course certain positions work better than others on certain heroes), and supports are way more dangerous than they used to be. Got mixed feelings about this, it looks so different, yet it still feels like dota.
Can someone explain me how the new ranking system works?

this might take the cake as one of the most retarded posts i've ever read.
none of those things are "strats". and batrider can still jungle.

No, but the russians aren't as prevalent.

They made it so any monkey can play Io now. I literally feel like I’m not even playing the game. Just turn your brain off and do nothing.

? Io is way harder to play now (it's also why he is worthless). positioning on him got a lot more important.

Fuck no. He needed to lock into a permanent decision and spend either his ult or at least 2 straight minutes setting that up. That the other team did nothing to stop him during the whole time he deserves rosh for free.

2gd is based. I loved when he called scarlett a shemale in one of those amateur sc2 tournaments.

>best looking ASSFAGGOT on the market
Not even true the day it came out.

Visually Dota looks better than LoL or HotS, the fuck are you on about, retard?

is this supposed to be a bad thing
I get surprised at the crazy strats people come up with at high level all the time, it's always some batshit insane thing nobody has ever thought of and that's why it's still exciting to watch
besides, other team fucked up by not warding or checking rosh anyway

>remove tether slow
>positioning on him is a lot more important
?

imagine saying that while playing UMS map made for casual players who were too shit for ranked ladder in warcraft3 tft

There are literally zero LoL mechanics being added to Dota and OP's webm is a particular example of something that would NEVER happen in LoL

It looks like I ate a box of pastels and then threw up on my screen.
It literally looks worse than the original WC3 custom map.

>wahh I don't like hud so game is league of legends
literal pea brain

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because of the change to the spirits

Imagine saying that when gooks tried to play Dota, failed miserably and never touched it ever again.

Probably too young to remember dotards being derided for being too shit to play ladder.

Why do you say that, user?

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It looks like someone shat on your face, sonny. Might as well try to wash it once in a while.

Are you implying that only gooks played ladder and so dota is harder?

>wahh every game that isn't an RTS is casual because it's not an RTS
Literal retard logic
Dota has nothing to do with RTS beyond the engine history, it's a team ARPG
Every time pro RTS players tried to play Dota they got their shit pushed in just as hard as people who've never played either Dota or an RTS, they're completely unrelated games

Gooks tried to play in pro-dota.

I miss her so much bros

you can't catch people with the slow on spirits anymore so now you have to be in a good position in the first place to begin with or they just walk out

>PROFESSIONAL DOTA

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>tfw 11000 (eleven thousand) games and 2.4k mmr

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Call it ARTS at least, because saying it has nothing to do with the genre makes you look like a fool.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to think they have won some Internationals and had presence in all of them?

Shitpost all you want, it's the truth.
>no argument
Hmm, weird

In his defense he had arcane rune and arc warden is pretty busted in lategame

>Dota has nothing to do with RTS

you are right they cut pretty much every hard mechanic from warcraft, removed army control, building/macro economy management and left only 1 hero so mentally retarded zoomers with no motor skills dont feel too bad while playing

i was always curious why is that the case. Do you think you evolve after each game or just hit the brick wall at some point?

see and stop intentionally being retarded

if dota is so easy why haven't all the starcraft pros switched over for the bigger prize pools?

Dota requires social skills

Oh yes, they will alright

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Every patch has its exploits. Dont act like its something new. Also theres nothing wrong with that, just fotm strat.

>Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to think they have won some Internationals and had presence in all of them?
Of fucking course they didn't win anything.
Dota's meta is constantly changing and there's no place for scripting gooks, you'd need a good working brain to make it to the top, you'd need to have an insanely good captain.
Individual gooks could probably work in some teams, but full-gook team would never work well in Dota.

Yes retards who cant coordinate mouse and eyes shouldnt have an opinion about how the game should be played

Yes?
esportsearnings.com/players

>See guys this is broken even though it takes at least a few minutes to set up properly which can be stopped by a simple team rotation
This thread is shit, post your favourite heroes and why.
>Undying because lmao +1600 HP with ult and +10 strength every 4 seconds

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you are the retarded one, mobas were always considered joke only clueless delusional dota elitist who werent alive in early 2000 think otherwise

ruined like dota after ti3

I seem to win consistently only when I pick the best hero for the game (last pick with thought put into it). But after doing this I get bored and go back to playing heroes I want to play. This results in mmr drop. BTW I peaked at around legend 3 before I lost motivation. Now back to crusader 1 or something.

Considered a joke by whom? Pes and cod players? Gtfo retard

Still no argument, yawn

Yes, and Arc Warden is in the fucking river with his spent ult having to set shit up so unless his team is defending him, leaving other avenues to attack for the opposing team, the enemy team should've seen this from their wards to kick his shit in

by broodwar and wc3 players u mentally challenged retard

based fellow undyman. keep spreading the plague

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Do you follow this model to win too? Or are you just really good at the game and win because of that? I might have hit my peak in that case tbqh,

If you dont improve faster than people in your bracket you hower around ur usual mmr. I mean ur average 4k dumpster player now is basically at same level as pros were at like TI1

as someone who hates dota, that's one of the most retarded arguments you could make. neither of those games is alive anymore. no one gives a shit about what broodwar or wc3 players think

they tried to compete, but they behaved like insects with zero creativity. Go suck another shitter's dick

So, the same people who suck ass at dota and have no idea what they're doing when they try it?
Good job proving yourself wrong retard

They're totally independent games and the only logic that would say otherwise is "hurr every game that isn't an RTS is a dumbed down RTS"
3/10 for getting me to reply

youtube.com/watch?v=bKmBEdY35mA

She looks so fucking old. Still hot, but old.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Blizzard would have banned him.

im the big dick bitch

So people who play dota at clinically retarded level think its a joke, got it senpai.

Dota is a tons of minutiae with very simple base mechanics. All depth and no complexity. I really can't be arsed to play when the only mechanics are right mouse button to walk or fix an autoattack target, ability hotkey then left mouse button, and selecting a character or group. I need more mechanics, more buttons to push, more active feedback to get a grip on what my character is doing or could do from moment to moment. Playing Dota is the art of squeezing blood from rocks. Not to imply that this makes the game shallow -- there's a hell of a lot of blood to be squeezed and proper squeezing technique to be learned. But I want more action in my "action" game if the "ARTS" label is to be used. Between that and all the Russians the game is too insufferable to bother with. But it's the least insufferable "ARTS".

t. 3k shitter who didn't even remotely understand the depths of Dota, not even talking about competitive cooperation and teamplay.

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>try to play chess
>get bored because the only mechanics are picking up a piece and putting it down
galaxy brain

all those seething dotards with 11k games who just found out they are playing washed of mechanics wc3 custom map for retards, pottery

>posting a slut beside a goddess
you should be jailed, dotard

Now is the perfect time to reintroduce gambler.

WC / SC "micro gods" tried to play Dota and failed miserably.
Figures out that their scripted "skill" means nothing in a team-based game where you have to use your brain instead of clicking 400 actions per minute with your spinal cord.

>realize you were wrong
>have no argument
>shitpost at nobody to convince yourself you won somehow
Like pottery

Not him but doesn't, or maybe didn't, Luna ult used to change the time of day to night for the duration? So during Luna ult NS would just become his actual self even in the day period

>the only mechanics are right mouse button to walk or fix an autoattack target, ability hotkey then left mouse button, and selecting a character or group
This is a factual statement. Dota has very simple mechanical inputs.
>Playing Dota is the art of squeezing blood from rocks. Not to imply that this makes the game shallow -- there's a hell of a lot of blood to be squeezed and proper squeezing technique to be learned.
This is an acknowledgment that the game is very deep nonetheless.
>But I want more action in my "action" game if the "ARTS" label is to be used.
This is an aesthetic assertion. I want more mechanics in my games. Dota is not my cup of tea. I think you're being overly defensive.

Yes, that's a major reason why I don't play board games. I could settle for board games if there weren't any video games around.

Undying + Pugna still my favorite early game pair. You just run at people and they melt

truly deep games are like the mandelbrot equation, a simple thing that generates almost infinitely many ornate fractals.

most of these games have lots of different elements but can be easily simplified and broken down and the strength of their connections between disparate elements is weak. these stupid MOBA games are exactly that.

they have a massive amounts of things in them but they're rarely generated from simple things expressing themselves in a huge amount of ways. Usually it's a lot of different things that express themselves in one way. a poor design philosophy.

I'm not sure how anyone can play Dota II. The art style is so bland and boring. At least LoL has some colours.

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Its funny when the SC2 pros tried to cling to the game for as long as possible
youtube.com/watch?v=e-l7gS7v4n4

>lol
>complex mechanics
>meta forced deliberately by the devs
>stagnant meta and roles

>truly deep games are like the mandelbrot equation, a simple thing that generates almost infinitely many ornate fractals.
That's EXACTLY how dota is best described though.
The concept is simple - pick 5 characters with four abilities each and push through a map until someone destroys the other side - but the amount of interactions and scenarios that can break out of that gives it basically infinite replayability.

It's fine if you don't like Dota, I'm not trying to convince you to like it, but they way you're describing it just doesn't really make any sense.

Dota is a good game forever doomed to be shit by his playerbase like all assfaggots

>At least LoL has some colours.
No it doesn't, it ripped off Dota's desaturated oil painting art style back in 2015 and now both games look exactly the same so I don't know what you think you're looking at

LoL used to have colors
I want to go back

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I honestly don't know how I feel about the epicenter intro cinematics
youtube.com/watch?v=ZLKY_Zrc7VU
youtube.com/watch?v=4HY4CFWc9Gc

How can a game look so bad ? Couldn't they have made a visual update like in summoners rift ?

What would you want changed? It looks fine

It looks like a mush of dark colors, that's why everyone always goes like "huurrrrl I don't know what I'm supposed to see here"

people who ask that don't play the game.

>that's why everyone always goes like "huurrrrl I don't know what I'm supposed to see here"
I always got that with LoL because everything looks like neon vomit and none of the skins respect the color scheme or even general design of the champions. I've never had any trouble seeing anything at all in Dota, it's always felt clearer to me. I actually started on LoL first for what it's worth too.

Hmm, it's almost like this is all subjective opinion or something

I was trying to be semi-pretentious as a joke but I do agree that DOTA is the best "MOBA" and fits my description for a good game more than any other ones. Though I don't agree that fits my definition exactly. It will at least let you use things in novel ways though. I think that DOTA is an okay game and the only "MOBA" I'm even willing to play.

Zoom Zoom
Fortnite has colors too. How could people play Quake?

>It looks like a mush of dark colors, that's why everyone always goes like "huurrrrl I don't know what I'm supposed to see here"
You can change the terrain.