How and why is Japan still selling physical copies?

because we have secound hand stores.
do gaijins really buy those high priced digital games?

except you're wrong. I can sell my physical copy at any time and the publisher cannot revoke my copy or discontinue its use like with digital

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Japan needs to have an anti-digital, pro physical movement. They could use the fat kike as a mascot of the digital evil that wants to control them and take their money for nothing in return

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>knock on door
>excuse me sir sheckelstein studios has determined you have a copy of their game that has been discontinued, we are here to collect your copy

We have eBay. But sure, keep larping nigger.

>i still buy physicals. most of them are japanese games
Same. Most physical Japanese games will usually work pretty well without the patches. Try to play western AAA trash without a day one patch, and while it might technically be "playable", it won't be a pleasant experience. I only buy western games digitally when they're on sale for $10 or less.

cards are used on the internet. but its true that irl most japanese prefer real money to card. the reason is that they want to manage/sort out actual money themselves. guess they are a bit similar to germans.

>digital gaming is bett-

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>some niggers stole them last week, go away

Its cool in theory, but just end up collecting dust and taking space.
Not to mention how it actually stops working over time.
Digital is taking over for a reason.
Still doesnt make it right for them to control how we own our games.

Look at this MORON hahaha

Akihabara was great before fat Americans started buying up all their shit and sending it home to sell on eBay

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renting is for suckers

Just a reminder the fat kike Gabe said the fact that he had to buy HOMM four times because he kept breaking it is a reason to give him money for digital.
eurogamer.net/articles/digital-overtaking-retail-for-valve
>This is just a more reliable and dependable situation. I mean, I bought Heroes of Might and Magic four different times now, I swear."
The fat kike said that the fact developers used to have to release their game finished, at least on consoles, and playable without a patch because they had no way of patching it was a bad thing but tried to spin it in a positive way to make digital and clients look good.
The industry used literal brainwashing to push digital.
The concept of paying for digital distribution should not exist, it should either be buy a physical copy or pirate.
>Physical media almost always has some DRM,
My DRM free physical copies for PC are DRM free, more DRM free than GOG actually since at no point do I have to have an account or be connected to the internet to access them unlike GOG's servers.
If it is offline DRM such as offline CD-keys then even then there is nothing they can do about it.
Die of a heart attack already Gabe

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-er
I can download any game that was ever on the Wii shop channel.

Copy protection is an integrated DRM mechanic, and a lot of the time you need hardware for that.
In practice, that's almost true. Though it is likely that publishers could make games always online and deactivate the copies if you use them with a different account. I wouldn't enforce physical copies as a bastion of freedom, at least not until the major game sellers agree to limit DRM
A digital game with no DRM is less restrictive than a physical game with, for example, a forced online connection. There's also the issue of optical discs being obsolete, so you would need to find a better format for physical media. SD cards are an option, but having 20 when you could have only one is not an ideal solution.

>Japan needs to have an anti-digital, pro physical movement.
Why?

digital is such a joke. some games like scott pilgrim arent even commercially available anymore because of this racket. and to top it all off, digicucks will defend it because of "muh convenience" and "muh shelf space"

because they're based

They have printed a shit ton of them in the past and now they are making mad bucks from weeb cucks travelling there.

>Castlevania Rebirth wasn't included in the recent CV collection, and is completely off limits to anyone too moralfag to emulate now.

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because their games are basically poorly developed shit and take almost no space in physical media, all japs and weebs care is about overly designed characters with ridiculous swords and shiny colours flashing with numbers exploding out of everywhere.

I remember chatting to some guy in Japan and he said people still bought porn dvds because they like having a physical collection, even if they could get it all online.

you are arguing the point of DRM, not physical/digital. physical is objectively superior.

>steam is good
>digital is good

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EULA only matters when legally applicable, it is legally applicable for digital distribution because they can easily and legally take your ability to download, if they take your ability to download then you lost what you gave them money for
As long as it is an actual physical copy with the playable game that doesn't require an update and doesn't require official server authorization then the EULA means nothing since it can't be revoked because to revoke it they would have to get the government to raid your house to revoke the physical copy you paid for which they can't do.
>i s-s-swear physical copies are only a license the same as digital, (((Gabe))) said so!
Is what they want you to think. You can sign a EULA that says you are now my slave, it isn't legally applicable so that EULA doesn't mean anything just like EULAs for actual physical copies don't mean anything.
>you don't own the IP
I have never seen anyone claim to own the IP of something just because they bought a copy, that is a retarded thing to say and you faggots know it, it is just you digital distribution cucks grasping for straws. I don't own the IP to my car but my individual car is mine, I have never seen anyone claim to own the IP to their car just because they own one. I have never seen anyone claim to own the IP to a physical book, they do own a physical copy though. I have never seen anyone claim to own the IP of anything just because they own a copy.
Digital is inherently high priced, it cannot be "cheap" or a good deal. Low cost =/= cheap or a good deal.
It is worth $0 so even if it $1 then it is infinitely over priced.
On PC it used to be $50 max for an actual physical copy that was better than today's collector's editions, now they want you to pay for a download. Low cost =/= cheap or a good deal. Games are now more expensive than ever

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t. presevationist.
>“For more recent games where there are no physical copies, that’s a real mess,” Kocurek says. “There’s so many interdependencies and the companies have a lot more control. It’s going to be hard to work around.”
onezero.medium.com/preservationists-are-saving-video-game-history-one-upload-at-a-time-cc5b8bb512a2

>My DRM free physical copies for PC are DRM free
>cherrypicking this hard

You can resell them, as long as they're not tied to any account or can be played without one (like most Games for Windows Live titles, which allow a local profile).

I once spent an hour talking to the owner of an anime store in the US. He was actually from Japan and had been part-owner of a merch store there. He told me that while his shop had high prices, it wasn't anywhere near close to what Japanese people were willing to pay. Apparently, they are happy to pay $50 for 1 episode of a show, or $80 for small pieces of "exclusive" merchandise. And would do so over and over. And when he came to the US he was shocked to see whole seasons or shows for sale for $50, and still hear people complain. He said the anime store gig was a dying business in the US and only had customers when he put things on sale. But in Japan, people will pay whatever price for any merchandise.

The life of the Jap is a sad one. He comes home after a 14-hour shift to a small, cramped and dark apartment. He knows he will have to go to work again in a few hours, despite being hungover. His only respite is a room filled with anime figures, wall scrolls, and other moe merchandise he bought in Akihabara.

He has no time for a girlfriend, so dating sims and visual novels fill that void for him. He releases his sexual urges with onaholes and hentai.

If he's lucky, he might even get some time to play his waifu gacha mobile game on the train in the morning. That's if he's not passed out from a long night of forced drinking with his boss.

What a sad country. Thank God I'm an American, where I can live the life I want to live with no societal restrictions.

Once your game is downloaded, it doesn't have to connect to GoG.

>Digital is inherently high priced, it cannot be "cheap" or a good deal.
You're grasping at straws.

I would agree, if physical media didn't rely on optical discs.
You could also decide to put a digitally downloaded game onto physical storage, meaning there is no real difference in either case. However, DRM gets in the way.
>as they're not tied to any account
That's my issue. It's completely viable for publishers to force account activated DRM, giving no advantage at all to physical copies. Vainly hoping that they don't do it does not truly address the critical flaw with the argument that physical games are supposedly different.

>buy touhou eurobeat cd
>doesn't have anything with a cd drive to copy the data

>online subscriptions are a digital distribution thing

The only game with copy protection that's a bit of a pain in the ass is Earthbound. For the life of me I tried so many ROMs and cheat codes and it still got me. Without playing the actual game it's hard to know what is a normal number of mobs and what isn't.

Would buy that copy of Romancing Saga 3 in an instant.

I literally sold my ps4 games as a separate item when I got rid of the snoy console. Physical games have more value than digital.

The internet becoming mainstream just ruined everything. Stupid people should never have been allowed access to this wonderful tool

I admit that an account-tied physical release it's utter trash.

amerimutts are purely insects like chinks.

but that isn't a thing (yet)

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>Get physical because even with several TB worth of hard drives I'm still a complete fucking Jew when it comes to file space.
>Every physical game demands an install now anyways.

fuck everything

To be honest they nuked Japan twice so they are entitled to some pillage

>optical discs obsolete
Optical discs still cannot be beat for archiving and blu-ray has a 128gb disc. Blu-ray association probably has a 300gb blu-ray specification since Sony's Optical Disc Archive system uses 300gb discs in the cartridges and the discs aren't blu-rays but they are very close.
There were several in development that could hold over 1tb on a disc, tapestry media by Inphase technologies was able to hold 1.6tb on 1 disc in 2011 or 2012.
As you already said they could release games for PC on flash drives or SD cards so they can't use the "no one has optical drives" excuse, but the industry fears physical copies and there are plenty of brainwashed drones such as yourself that give them money anyways
Paying for digital has always been obsolete.
>physical game with, for example, a forced online connection.
You're using the fat kike's tactics. Notice how you aren't comparing "DRM free" digital to a DRM free physical copy? Because a DRM free physical copy is less restrictive than "DRM free" digital. At no point do you have to have an account or online connection to access the game from the source - the discs, unlike "DRM free" digital - their servers. When you pay for digital, even "DRM free", you are only paying for a license to download, it doesn't matter if you can keep what you download, if you lose your ability to download which they can easily take away, then you lose what you paid for. "DRM free" digital still has you connected to some platform to download the game from where they can shill you DLC. I can copy and paste the game from my DRM free physical copy for backups just like "DRM free" digital, actually I was able to do that with some of my older physical copies with offline DRM such as offline CD-keys.
You're either a developer that has a financial interest in shilling for digital or a digital distribution industry shill
Paying for digital cannot be justified.

Only because of legacy circumstances. It's within reason for companies to deactivate used games if physical games stop being a major source of income. I think it will probably happen in the next couple generations, at least if they even keep physical copies at all.
It would be nice to be able to resell digital keys, but obviously that won't happen (for the same reasons that it may for future physical games).
It has been for select titles, just not widespread.
You also have things like DLC and updates that require some form of an account, partially enforcing a requirement that could very easily take over the whole product.

usb-powered cd drives can be had for under $20 especially if you get one that just reads

>buy
>digitally
You cannot buy games digitally. When you pay for digital you are giving a company a donation.

>Optical discs still cannot be beat for archiving
*laughs in LTO*

>As you already said they could release games for PC on flash drives or SD cards so they can't use the "no one has optical drives" excuse
They're expensive and worthless for long term storage. Also, Blu-rays are cheap as fuck to make. I hate how only CD Projekt RED gave a physical release with optical media and a download code.
>Paying for digital cannot be justified.
Kill yourself.

because nips know digital gaming is just a fad

The same reason America is?

Digital copies and the people who buy them are cancer.

>How and why is Japan still selling physical copies?
Extremely healthy second-hand and rental markets, as well as asininely strict/heavy legal persecution and criminal law punishment regarding piracy (including EVEN just savestate/save file editing, not even mentioning usage of emulators and etc. You WILL get into jail for that in Japan, if you get caught).

/thread

Because its superior

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>why
Their IQ is higher than yours.

People who buy digital are cucks. You dont own the game. You merely rent it

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>Just a reminder the fat kike Gabe said the fact that he had to buy HOMM four times because he kept breaking it is a reason to give him money for digital.
I knew what he was pulling when Valve launched Steam. I switched to piracy when PC went digital only.

Brand new physical is cheaper than digital. Why would you ever buy digital?

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Because used games are all the rage there, since piracy is virtually non-existent.

You think the west is run by Jews? In Japan piracy isn't a civil issue, it's a criminal one. You will literally get two years in prison and a $25,000 fine if you get caught with pirated games in Japan.

Because all the companies that made physical releases in my country for PC died in 2015.

why not? fucking retarded zoomers

>, as well as asininely strict/heavy legal persecution and criminal law punishment regarding piracy (including EVEN just savestate/save file editing, not even mentioning usage of emulators and etc. You WILL get into jail for that in Japan, if you get caught).
>/thread

the first part is right but this part is just a meme. western media is shit. dont trust them it if they seem to be /ourguy/ or something like that. oag, niche gamer, those kinds of tubers etc are making a bunch of hitpieces.

If you were smart, you would be buying physical too whenever you had the opportunity. I'm doing my part.

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you dont own physical games either

Why are black people such weebs? I’m genuinely curious. Usually when you see white weebs they’re the typical unkept weirdo but it seems like most black weebs are just normal dudes who like anime and shit

>all physical copies are DRM'd trash
Okay, this is epic.

It's not even just DRM really. Every new game has so many day one patches and updates and shit you have to download now that physical copies are practically useless on their own.

Oh? I have 2 giant shelves of games to play on consoles that aren't connected to the internet. If you tried to steal them, you'd be arrested for felony theft. So explain how I don't have ownership of these games I bought.

To save them from the digital cancer before it is too late.

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Paying or charging for digital distribution or thinking it is acceptable to pay or charge for digital distribution is communist - see Karl Marx' labor theory of value.

Yeah, the worst thing is that even affects preservation of specific versions. Not everybody keeps check of every version of every game and now patches aren't even available standalone. World of Goo for example now it's 64 bit software.

>Optical discs still cannot be beat for archiving and blu-ray has a 128gb disc
None of this makes them more convenient or a better option for storage going forward. Blu rays over a certain size are not viable due to poor performance and similar cost compared to better performing alternatives.
NAND flash has its own limitations, mainly with data loss over time.
>Notice how you aren't comparing "DRM free" digital to a DRM free physical copy?
There are no DRM free physical game stores that I know of. Console games have DRM by virtue of existence, and could easily be forced into having more.
>When you pay for digital, even "DRM free", you are only paying for a license to download
Decentralized methods like bittorrent or blockchain invalidate your point. Besides, licenses do not have to stay in the same state that they're in now.
>You're either a developer that has a financial interest in shilling for digital or a digital distribution industry shill
Ad hominem is reductive.
This is very true, especially for arguments pertaining to archiving purpose. At some point you would have an easier time copying digital files that are at least made for you to look at rather than trying to rip a blu ray for only half (or less) of the data.

>just a meme
Try it while living in Japan and see for yourself. I fucking DARE you.

P.S.
I have real estate (full-sized house) in Nerima since 2005 and been living there for a lot of years (I current rent it out for other people).

Good point. I should have just said rent, since that's really what paying for digital is. Which is why I refuse to go higher than $10.

>Console games have DRM by virtue of existence
How are consoles DRM?

Unironically, Japan is saving all the kino from the things that used to be great in this country. Wrestling hasn't been fun to watch for 20 years here, in Japan it just got better and better. Americans don't buy physical, 75% of Japs buying only physical over there. They have baseball, arcades, I mean if there wasn't a language barrier I might be over there now.

The worst legacies of the digital era for preservation are DRM (which is not the same than copy protection), early access, constant updates and patch happy culture.

I hate digital so much.
Just having the option to pay for a game digitally has ruined gaming, it allows for what is plaguing the industry today such as rampant DLC and mtx, games being intentionally released unfinished or unplayable without a patch because they can easily patch it through whatever platform which further encourages them to be released that way, being charged for a download, having to go through some console wannabe platform to legally play games on PC, easy access which means more casuals play games which means games are made for them which means lower quality games, etc. People have been tricked into thinking that because sometimes digital games are lower cost means they are a better deal, even $1 is too much for a download. The standard prices we have for games was based on the fact that games used to be sold physical only and all the logistics, effort, and extra money that comes with that, playable without a patch (at least on console), and DLC and mtx weren’t rampant and didn't even exist for most games.
>apple remove the headphone jack from their phone
>”this is the future, buy our shit”
>as of 2018 the second most purchased apple product is the cable that lets you use normal headphones
LCD, LED, and OLED fucking suck yet those are the only options for new TVs and monitors. SED technology is inherently superior but we were denied that because of a lawsuit. digitaltrends.com/home-theater/canon-loses-sed-tv-patent-ruling/
They decided not to sell them because by the time the lawsuit was over they didn't think people would be willing to pay twice as much for a new type of TV even if it is superior.
People don't care about quality, only convenience. I don't give a fuck about convenience, I care about quality and am willing to sacrifice convenience for a superior end result. Fuck digital.
I swear 20 years ago and thereabouts seems like we were more so living in the future than now.

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When I play a game like Fallout 4, and I encounter just a handful of glitches, then I think to myself "Hey this doesn't seem so bad. Better than I expected. What was the problem?" and then I have to remind myself that there's been 4 years of patches and I don't know what the game was like at launch. Makes judging whether a games worth getting so tedious.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if companies allowed you to download the 1.0 version and patches to apply them (specially DRM-free stores like GOG.com and Humble Store). But there's no such thing, sadly.

im from japan lol. nobody cares. these laws are always dead on arrival. e.g ishihara managed to make a law that censors loli shit in manga/anime a decade ago. its actually still been in force but that was already dead before being enforced lol westerners just dont know stuff like that, cause they dont go after anything or research. only exaggerate it.

This should be common knowedge, but you have very limited access to the game itself, and there are a lot of things the console does to obscure game functions. Effectively, the physical copy is a (DRM) key, designed to unlock the game within your system. They don't want you to copy, modify, or even look at the data, and there are measures to stop you from doing so. Try putting a PS4 disc in a PC blue ray drive- you get nothing from it.

>dead on arrival. e.g ishihara managed to make a law that censors loli shit--
"Rurouni Kenshin's mangaka gets jail for--".avi

>Try putting a PS4 disc in a PC blue ray drive- you get nothing from it.
I actually didn't knew this. Thanks. That fits better under copy protection than DRM (digital rights management), tho.

Isn't that a different discussion entirely? Like I had hundreds of dollars in Wii digital games. If my Wii breaks, I lose all of that money. The digital storefront is dead. On the other hand, all the money I spent on physical Wii games is still sitting on my shelf.

wut? he bought actual pedo shit so got arrested. don trust western shit media including "were expert in japanese/otaku/moe culture" journos. oag, sankaku, niche gamer, those anti sjw tubers, they are far from "accurate"

Can "digital" game buyers tell me how it works?
Do you just like type in your credit card and like that's it? You dont get anything? If that is the case then whats the point, why not just pirate instead?

>Try putting GRANDIA II's original Dreamcast discs in your PC and...

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>You dont get anything?
Multiplayer. :^)
Kill yourself.

The "actual pedo shit" always starts with "innocent 2D or bunch of drawn 0s and 1s"

What are you doing in a website which has as a board? Fuck off to ResetEra.

Multiplayer games are for children and spastics.

they're stuck in the past

>plastic fetishist it's also utterly retarded on other topics
Imagine my shock.

>Playing multiplayer games
Reminder that the only reason the industry is so trash right now is because of online multiplayer and digital distribution.

>Do you just like type in your credit card and like that's it? You dont get anything?
Pretty much. It all gets tied to an account that could be suspended for any reason (which stops you from playing all "your" games on consoles), and that will eventually be inaccessible once the servers go down in a few years. I hate zoomers so fucking much for supporting that shit.

You're so far away and missed on all points it's not even funny.

Online multiplayer predates digital distribution like for 1 decade.

Well, you also can't use mods or look at game files, which is the DRM component of consoles. Also, the disc being the unlock key is entirely a DRM function, there is not actually any reason for that since the game installs to the console anyway
My main point is that you have no way to get a DRM free physical game in the current year. Digital game stores like GOG and Humble Bundle offer many, and Steam does allow (but only discourages third party solutions) for DRM-free games.
The discs are fundamentally compatible with PC hardware aside from the castration that console makers perform for DRM implementation. It was different in the PS2 era, and I could actually pull up some game files from final fantasy X if you give me a few minutes

as a data hoarder I can honestly say you have this backwards. digital games are much easier to maintain forever. though digital games can oftentimes be imaged. I like physical if it is a cool box. but burning a DRM ridden game to a disc doesn't magically make it any different then a steam copy.

>Also, the disc being the unlock key is entirely a DRM function
True that except that still is copy protection.

>My main point is that you have no way to get a DRM free physical game in the current year.
Not fault of the format.

>I am paying for a $0.05 disc and a $0.05 cover print.
I think you are 100x more retarded then piratefags. I burnt my entire Xbox 360 collection. put them in green dvd cases and printed the covers. But they are somehow worth $60 because they cost me like $0.75 each, but the games I buy for $3 on steam that offer me stuff over pirated copies are totally a waste? what if I use the steam backup tool?

This is the most parroted anti-physical argument that exists, and it doesn't even work the way you fags think.

I can download any game that was physically released too.

It really depends on the game. If you're talking about something like AC Unity, then sure, your argument may apply. BotW and Mario Odyssey work great without their patches, and I've never ran into any issues playing without them.

>though digital games can oftentimes be imaged.
meant physical obviously.

Wrong reply? I don't get it.
To some extent, it wouldn't be the format's fault and rather it would be the license. It's definitely a common point to claim that digital games only let you have a license to download and play, so I think my criticism of physical licenses and DRM to enforce them is more than fair. At the very least, you can usually view and copy digital game files.
For anybody who was wondering, this is what happens when you put a PS2 disc in a PC. Obviously this loses them console sales due to emulators, so the DRM physically integrated into the blu ray prevents this for newer games.

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With physical games, you also get a plastic case with nice cover art free for the same price.

there animal genes and the perfection of anime counter each other. there perfectly balanced

>it would be the license
Not per se.
>It's definitely a common point to claim that digital games only let you have a license to download and play
That applies to all digital games. Not all physical games have such protections, like you have mentioned with PS2 games, collector's editions of Kickstarted games, old retail games and IndieBox (RIP).

My reply was in response to the claim that you can't play Wii eShop games after its closure.

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Not him, but not legally at least. In PC, Groupees and Humble Store also have torrent options just in case and to save server bandwith. Too bad Groupees it's just Steam keys these days and Humble isn't much better.

Oh, are you lying then? Because you can't even download legally purchased Wii digital games anymore. No one is saying you suddenly can't play what you downloaded, but you can't purchase or redownload them if anything ever happens to that sole downloaded copy.

yeah.
was meant for

Like I said, you can view digital files unless there is a DRM that rapes you by encrypting them. The licenses on physical media that still exists (i.e. consoles) don't permit that.
That isn't actually true yet, and the details aren't fully defined as to if or how they will completely close it.
en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27560/~/wii-shop-channel-discontinuation
>Can users still play WiiWare games that they already purchased?
>Yes. The ability to re-download WiiWare and Virtual Console games will also stop at some point. We will announce specific details as that time approaches.

First, the japanese customer is pretty autistic about the condition of their products.
Second, the japanese customer is not as dumb as the western costumer to buy a product 5+ times more expensive than the original price, with some clear exceptions like garage kits

Because of these reasons, second hand shops figure out that they can sell tons of pre-owned goods at decent prices to keep the flux of money while the customers enjoy the goods until they have to sell them

Asian countries period prefer physical media for a variety of reasons.

Despite having THE FASTEST FUCKING INTERNET, digital storefronts are almost never supported well, it's why you get all of these Asia region physical releases on Switch and PS4.

Japan doesn't also have quite the best internet surprisingly.

>DRM that rapes you by encrypting them
*Copy protection
DRM requires "digital rights" to be "managed"..
>that still exists
Ah, fair enough then.

you can not even make backups of 5.05+ PS4 games or xbone games. This is especially horrible when the DRM ridden releases often require updates that platform holders will stop letting you download within a couple years. I like physical as a cool novelty. especially if it is a DRM free PC release, but even a steam key or console release is a cool LE or steelbox or something. But I am somewhat indifferent of it is just your standard plastic case with a disc and manual if you are lucky. Digital obviously has insane benefits such as never running out of stock, being viable to sell a game forever, no shelf space limits, the ability to sell for dirt cheap, etc. But I do like having a game shelf so it is nice that we have both to some extent. However the "owning" your game thing is nonsense. Everygame I buy I backup to my NAS and keep cracks on file when necessary. I make XCIs of switch games etc. So they only games I have that I don't own, are ps4 games that require above 5.5 firmware.

>Second, the japanese customer is not as dumb as the western costumer to buy a product 5+ times more expensive than the original price, with some clear exceptions like garage kits
then why do they overpay for physical and buy the same Atlus game like 5 times?

>However the "owning" your game thing is nonsense.
Good luck reselling a digital game.

Thank you for your service, soldier. Stay frosty out there.

aure you can easily sell steam accounts. and I could give people my GoG versions if I wanted. I would never sell my games though. that is completely fucking moronic.

Copying is a digital right restriction, and DRM applications -namely Denuvo- integrate it. Regardless of semantics, it's an overlapping issue.

Why does the economic decision making of a far away land regarding consumer entertainment products matter enough to you that you would question it? There are people that like having physical media for various reasons, and they are catering to that. Who the fuck are you to impose upon them?

>aure you can easily sell steam accounts
>and I could give people my GoG versions if I wanted
None of them are legal.
>I would never sell my games though. that is completely fucking moronic.
>I would never do a completely legal thing, so it's completely OK to take away that option for all people
Okay, this is Steam.

Gaming would be saved if games were sold physical only again.

>Copying is a digital right restriction
No. Protection copy methods don't require account verifications, just that the optical media (which isn't tied to any account in particular) is legit.
>and DRM applications -namely Denuvo- integrate it.
Completely true.

I suspect it's the same guy baiting these thready every day. It sure works.
DLC and updates force physical buyers to go halfway. Blu rays are also garbage for performance, which is why consoles download games from the disc.

>download games
In my times we just called it "installing".

Yeah, I can't help but feel people are truly just lazy and will actively work against their best interests long term if it means they don't have to drive to a store or even wait for a mail man to drop off a package. We know that an all digital world really benefits no one except game companies, and still the majority of people don't seem to give a fuck. How can you not lose faith in people when you see shit like that?

>None of them are legal.
nice goalpost move bootlicker. pretty sure selling a steam account is legal though.
>I would never do a completely legal thing
yes, there are tonnes of completely legal things I don't do. I don't know why this is shocking. It is legal for you to recycle your entire game library.
>so it's completely OK to take away that option for all people
it is..? digital sales make it so you objectively save money buying brand new copies, and actually keeping them forever. If you plan on selling all your games, why make the "ownership" argument? you are basically renting them and are better off just getting gamepass or someshit.

>literally mentions benefits to the consumer in his post
>it benefits no one but the companies.
yeah nice try zoomer.
I got Deus Ex for $1 DRM free. meanwhile in physical only land... ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Sealed-Xenoblade-Chronicles-Wii-Nintendo-NTSC-U-C-North-American/162890390598?epid=73571248&hash=item25ed061c46:g:d1UAAOSwXsFaelMc
I got New Vegas rhat released the same year for well under $5.

I'll cede to you that there is a technical difference, but the theory behind DRM takes a lot of inspiration from copy protection functions, so in the case of consoles you have all of it in one system and it really isn't a huge issue to lump them together.
It doesn't really install, it just caches enough to not rely on the disc for too much except the key to access the files.

Because they're not fucking stupid like you and they know you're gonna get royally screwed the day your favorite company pulls the plug.

Because fuck you. The only based "digital only" people are pirates.

I guarantee you in 20 years, a higher percentage of steam games will function then PS4 games. even physical.

the only acceptable stance is to be in favour of both depending on situation.

>pretty sure selling a steam account is legal though.
>The problem? Selling your Steam account is a huge violation of Steam’s Subscriber Agreement, which says that “you may not sell or charge others for the right to use your account, or otherwise transfer your account.” Worse, someone from Valve was reading. Down came the ban hammer… freezing the Reddit user out of his Steam account, and taking from his the right to play any of his $1800 worth of games.
geek.com/games/valve-teaches-kid-a-lesson-for-trying-to-sell-his-steam-account-1327929/
>If you plan on selling all your games, why make the "ownership" argument?
Because no company should take away freedoms from the consumer. If you don't want to exercise it, that's OK. Trying to kill the second hand market is not OK.
>I'll cede to you that there [...]
Fair enough.
>It doesn't really install, it just caches enough to not rely on the disc for too much except the key to access the files.
Thanks for the information.

Whats wrong with that? Sounds pretty based to me

>even physical.
The fuck does that mean? My PS1 games still work perfectly fine over 2 decades later.

>The problem? Selling your Steam account is a huge violation of Steam’s Subscriber Agreement,
doesn't make it illegal numbnuts.
>Because no company should take away freedoms from the consumer.
what fucking freedom? your god given freedom to piss away your games collection?
>If you don't want to exercise it, that's OK. Trying to kill the second hand market is not OK.
they already did, by undercutting the fuck out of it. nothing to do with muhh freedom.

I'll play devil's advocate and point out that Nintendo's lack of price drops also applies to their eshop, so there is no direct comparison to Steam
I can't bring myself to support blu rays. If Nintendo didn't use solid state, I wouldn't buy physical.

>even physical.
>The fuck does that mean?
in that time, any multiplayer ps4 game will be unplayable. any game that requires an update or content not on the disc will be unplayable. that is a large chunk. of games
>My PS1 games still work perfectly fine over 2 decades later.
PS1 had a lot less of the limitations facing ps4 since optical disks were fast enough and usually big enough for the games at the time, there was no bloated online service or easy patch method.
Now it is common to ship out an unfinished game since it gives you more time to finish it with a release day patch. And sony, Microsoft and Nintendo give zero fucks about previous generations.

>doesn't make it illegal numbnuts.
Tell me where it says that a EULA can't do that.
>your god given freedom to piss away your games collection?
Yeah, it's called the "First-sale doctrine", corporate bootlicker.
>nothing to do with muhh freedom.
Yeah, because all corporations love the second hand market that doesn't generates profit for them.

Not yet

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because only brainless idiots think they 'own' something when they buy a revokeable digital license to access content not own

fair. I am sure I could use multiplats or PlayStation games to but it would be less egregious. I recently bought Nocturne brand new for like $20, which while decent, would have obviously been cheaper in a steam sale if it was on PC.
>Tell me where it says that a EULA can't do that.
EULAs do not decide law. You will not get arrested or fined for selling a steam account. because there is no law against it in your country..
>Yeah, because all corporations love the second hand market that doesn't generates profit for them.
Corporations such as GameStop love it. it allows them to sell shitty ruined copies of games at stupid prices and keep 100% the revenue. which is why companies such as Valve and CD Projekt beat them by drastically undercutting them with brand new copies for way cheaper. You could buy a game used physical for $20, or brand new digital for $5.

>EULAs do not decide law. You will not get arrested or fined for selling a steam account. because there is no law against it in your country..
>The first-sale doctrine does not neatly fit transfers of copies of digital works because an actual transfer does not actually happen – instead, the recipient receives a new copy of the work while, at the same time, the sender has the original copy (unless that copy is deleted, either automatically or manually). For example, this exact issue played out in Capitol Records, LLC v. ReDigi Inc., a case involving online marketplace for pre-owned digital music
>The U.S. Copyright Office stated that "[t]he tangible nature of a copy is a defining element of the first sale doctrine and critical to its rationale."

that is a civil suit and has nothing to do with selling a steam account. I think you may be ileterate. find me the law against it in any first world country.

You have to prove that there is a law against EULAs banning the re-sale of accounts, dense retard.

>You have to prove that there is a law against EULAs banning the re-sale of accounts.
there isn't and I never claimed there was. Do you understand what a EULA is though? private companies do not make laws.

So, tell me how an EULA can't make a restriction on reselling the account. You can't, because they can and it's completely legal. You can get arrested for selling a Steam account, by breaching the EULA.

>You can get arrested for selling a Steam account, by breaching the EULA.
HAHAHA holy shit. you are actually retarded. it is not a criminal offense to break a EULA or TOS agreement. we don't live in that dystopian society yet.

The games as a service and cuckoldry culture is not that strong there.

>The games as a service is not that strong there.
>gacha.webp

Mobile gaming is more dominating there than anywhere else
Digital games are also not necessarily a service unless you also consider physical games that get updates to be a service

>FGO
>GBF
>FEH
>PAD

Don't talk about things with authority when you don't know anything about it.

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>Because a DRM free physical copy is less restrictive than "DRM free" digital. At no point do you have to have an account or online connection to access the game from the source - the discs, unlike "DRM free" digital - their servers. When you pay for digital, even "DRM free", you are only paying for a license to download, it doesn't matter if you can keep what you download, if you lose your ability to download which they can easily take away, then you lose what you paid for.

But "drme free" physical copy has its drawbacks: What when you lose or damage your physical storage? Its gone, you cant access your thing. Digital one on the other hand you can download again (as long as the server is up).
The first connection to download it is equal (or actually less restrictive due to accessibility) to buying the game from the store, from that point you are free from online-only.

Not per se, but there's no denying that there are way more game-as-a-service games in digital format than in physical. For the sake of clarity, I consider "games as a service" to those that have constant updates of content.

But you have a choice right now. You're thinking like a retard. In a world with no option but digital, why would a company ever drop their prices? Why would they need to? You only have one option. You either buy it at this price, or you don't play it. Try thinking for a change. This dudes gonna try to convince me now why LESS options for me as a consumer is somehow a good thing. Good luck with that.

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Fun fact: You can resell digital licences in Europe, so 2nd-hand market is a source :)

GOG.com is based in Poland and yet they haven't implemented such an option.

you are retarded. If you buy physical DRM free you can not get the retailer to send you another copy if you lose it. you can with digital, though it is unecessary because HDDs last longer than optical disks especially if you have a proper RAID/ZFS system with redundancy and backups. So if they "take away" your ability to download you are on the same grounds as a physical copy. you can even burn it to a disc if you want.
you can just img the disc.
you are both retarded. why can't you guys understand you are literally buying the same thing?
>buy physical DRM free
>img disc to PC
>backup online
>Buy digital DRM free
>burn it to disc
you can turn one into the other easily. Turns out the battle is DRM vs DRM free. not physical v.s. digital. whether or not you get a $0.5 optical disk is irrelevant.

>you can with digital
And because of that you will never be able to legally re-sell it.

I get what you mean, obviously Fortnite isn't being sold in stores. I would like people to stop falsely thinking that you can't put out an incomplete physical game and update it the same as digital. It's just that (unless you do shareware) you can't have a free physical product.
Physical copies interfere with the prices of digital goods due to agreements between retailers and console makers. So yes, less can be more.
It's legal, but perversely there is no enforcement of the law pertaining to allowing users to transfer their keys to other people. As with a lot of half-baked regulations it becomes completely optional for companies to allow. You'll have complications around sales and selling to people using different currencies; it would be hell to enforce.

Well kid, back before you were born, only physical copies existed

>why would they need to
profit maximization? because there is zero variable cost, if a game is like 10 years old you can make more money selling it for cheap than expensive since the volume makes up for it.not like $0.87 Deus Ex sales are because used copies go for $0.88. Now I am not against physical it has it's place and should exist where possible. but digital is obviously better in a lot of ways and has had a possitiv effect on the market. is my point. Though yes physical existing is a problem in some cases, it increases the price of digital games due to pricing deals, and for things that rely on it like consoles games get bottlenecked by capacity and extremely limited read speeds. Ideally we would just have like DRM free Installers on discs that ship on Amazon briefly during release. basically Cyberpunk 2077 model.

you most certainly can, but in both cases the DRM free aspect outs you in a copyright infringement grey area. I would never sell a game though so kinda moot point. but no, buying a drm free game, imging the disc then selling it is not any different then buying it digitally burning it and selling that.

>then buying it digitally burning it and selling that.
You would breaking the license and there's no intrinsic protection for second hand sales for digital goods in America.

in both instances you would be breaking the license agreement. in neither instance are you going to get sued. and neither is illegal so meh.

>basically Cyberpunk 2077 model.
I was going to say on PC will be only a code with a soundtrack CD, but it looks like they changed it. Nice.

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do you guys use steel book cases or just stick to the original plastic?

Ok. How can be legal to burn a DRM-free copy if you still have the option to download the game? You didn't resold shit, you just made an illegal copy while keeping the option to download from the servers.

>Ok. How can be legal to burn a DRM-free copy if you still have the option to download the game?
if it is your inly copy. you can delete your acct and such.
>You didn't resold shit, you just made an illegal copy while keeping the option to download from the servers.
and if you rip the disc and sell it your rip is an unauthorized copy. this distinction is moot however, because i find it highly unlikely you will get sued in either case.

Digital distribution is inherently games as a service, you are not paying for a game, you are paying for the ability to download the game from their "special" server. It doesn't matter if you can keep what you download, if you lose the ability to download then you lose what you paid for.
>physical games that get updates to be a service
That isn't a physical copy then. A physical copy has the entire game on the physical media and doesn't require a patch or update or any "service" like Steam or the console networks to be playable.

>you can delete your acct and such.
Wow, so much covenience for something as simple to resell a fucking game.
>and if you rip the disc and sell it your rip is an unauthorized copy.
Yes? I don't get the point you're trying to make.
It's logical to expect to not access to the game anymore once you sell it.

>Wow, so much covenience for something as simple to resell a fucking game.
well don't do it then, worst that happens is GoG does it for you. selling games is dumb anyways.
>It's logical to expect to not access to the game anymore once you sell it.
what? sure, but it doesn't work like that. when PS3 got hacked, a couple of my buddies ripped all their games and sold them. DRM free means it is garunteed to happen. who wouldn't rip it before they sell it?

>you are paying for the ability to download the game from their "special" server
Not inherently true, as stores like Humble Bundle use torrents which can't suffer outages in the way that a server could.
>A physical copy has the entire game on the physical media and doesn't require a patch or update
There are very, very few games that do this. I can only think of the 3DS where updates were not very common (though many games had a patch 1.1). Even pre-internet consoles like the N64 and Gamecube did have alternate game versions and updates, usually for concurrent regional releases. Pretty much every other current gen platform has embraced patches as the de facto distribution method.

This is why Steam and PC gaming is evil.

DLC and updates are only possible because of digital distribution.
>download games from the disc
I don't see the problem with that as long as it is downloading from the disc and not from a server. Playing from the disc should be an option, but so should installing it. All my DRM free physical copies for PC let me install from the physical media, difference is I don't have to keep the physical media in after installing it.
I can easily sell my physical copies and it is legal and an actual physical product. I can give people GOG installers that I pirated, what is your point? I can give people my physical copies or backups of my physical copies if I wanted. Paying for digital, whether it be Steam or GOG or any others, is a cancer on gaming. The biggest cancer since so many negatives come with it.
Nothing can justify being charged for a download.
People prefer convenience over everything else, even when it results in a far inferior product. I can't fucking stand it, especially when there being so many of those people over rides what I want. I never wanted PC to go digital only but so many people fell for the brainwashing and so many super casuals started playing because of the extremely easy access that it doesn't matter. It would be one thing if piracy were completely legal but it isn't. If those people pirated at least they wouldn't be financially rewarding it.
The funny thing is they only care about convenience, but piracy is always more convenient in a fair match up, the only time piracy isn't more convenient than paying for digital is when the developer intentionally sabotages their game. People should not financially reward them for sabotaging their game. If they really cared about convenience then you wouldn't financially reward them making it less convenient, but they are just so lazy they won't bug the government to make it legal. Subhumans, all of them.

exposure to anime at a young age, and unlike whites most blacks don't watch moeshit. It has to have fighting in it.

Remember to support physical copies whenever you can.

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>well don't do it then, worst that happens is GoG does it for you. selling games is dumb anyways.
>selling games is dumb anyways
This is so retarded that it doesn't even deserves a proper answer. Corporations to brainwash people.
>who wouldn't rip it before they sell it?
We're talking in a legal fashion. If we're going to take piracy into account, there's no reason to buy any game at all.

>Nothing can justify being charged for a download.
I remind you that the cover and optical media are like 5% of the product at best.

>They prefer buying things in stores,
disgusting normie. I hope Bezos and Gabe kill your family.
> or buying gift cards to buy things online
this is a horrible scam you should stop enabling. nothing costs exact values of gift cards.
>It's silly, but Steam has been gradually taking over Japanese game sales. So, at some point they will probably look more like the USA.
digital on console still has a long way to go, so Nips need to switch to PC for that to be true. lots of nip games are coming to steam, but it seems to be for Western audiences.

I have a physical copy of the GOTY of Deus Ex but I just pirated it for $0.
I pirated New Vegas for $0.
Even $1 is way too much for digital. As has already been said in this thread, low cost =/= a good deal.
Idiot A buys an ounce of silver for $500, Person B buys an ounce of gold at spot price, Idiot A tells Person B that Idiot A got a better deal because he only paid $500. Idiot A is acting like because he paid less he got a better deal but he isn't taking into account what they got and for how much. Did Person B get a good deal on his gold? No, but he didn't over pay like Idiot A did for his silver. You idiots that pay for digital are Idiot A but far worse
You are worse than the people that bought Juicero.
Don't care about physical copies? Then you should be exclusively pirating.

With the patch-happy culture and developers and publishers not releasing the patches online so you can preserve them, physical became pretty much obsolete. Blame companies, but that's the harsh true. And consumers love it.

>Steam sale
Digital is never a better deal. You are getting literally nothing in return for your money.

Convenience, multiplayer, patches, autoupdates and achievements. People like those things.

I love how you are calling me the "brainwashed" one, when your entire argument for physical is that you want to flip all your games for pennies, but you could never in good conscience violate a EULA.
honestly this. imagine paying for a download? I personally find value exclusively in optical discs. what is the going rate $0.5? honestly the $59.50 mark up is worth it.
>games on a HDD are worth nothing
>games on a $0.50 optical disc are now magically worth $60 for read speeds drastically slower than my internet connection and capicity bottlenecks.
just buy a spindle of fucking dvds and burn the games to them then user

>We're talking in a legal fashion. If we're going to take piracy into account, there's no reason to buy any game at all.
yeah fuck supporting devs, no winder you love used games. it is basically pay to pirate.

The problem with disc caching is that it requires the disc even though you have the game installed. You have no say in where you install the game, it's completely up to the DRM. The only real difference between physical and digital is the terms of installation and whether they are bound to keys on blu rays or keys on an account.
Primarily online games like Splatoon don't have much of an advantage on a cartridge. At least the load times aren't too different, I can respect Nintendo for that.

>and publishers not releasing the patches online so you can preserve them
>He doesn't know about what the Switch did.

They don't put anything in physical games worth a dam anymore so it doesn't fucking matter

>I love how you are calling me the "brainwashed" one, when your entire argument for physical is that you want to flip all your games for pennies
There's a reason corporations don't allow re-selling your digital games, because they hate that.
>but you could never in good conscience violate a EULA.
I already replied to that, corporate licker.
>I'm not a corporate licker, but they're completely fine in removing the choice of reselling games, that's dumb anyways.
>yeah fuck supporting devs
>468703787
>when PS3 got hacked, a couple of my buddies ripped all their games and sold them. DRM free means it is garunteed to happen. who wouldn't rip it before they sell it?
Yikes.

Because jews don't utterly control their industry like in the west.

>I already replied
you argument is dumb as fuck. you are the same retard who thought you could get arrested for a breaking a EULA aren't you?
explain to me, why pragmatically or morally anyone should fucking care about your arbitrary license agreement argument?

>why pragmatically or morally anyone should fucking care about your arbitrary license agreement argument?
Because you agreed to it.

agreed to what?

To the EULA.
By the way, why do you like to take away the freedom to resell stuff they own?

Indirect benefits may or may not legitimize the process
Steam sales probably would not happen if you could resell old game keys, like with consoles. Not proven causative, but it's an interesting connection.

Buy Rondo of Blood stupid. Amazing game

So, basically convenience? Don't worry by the way, refunds did a good ounce of harm already.

>To the EULA.
who cares...? I agreed I can't sue them for taking away my account for reselling my account. since they can't really enforce it and I have no intention of selling it I should care? I also have modified consooes to run homebrew, I routinely buy "not for resale" codes on cragislist. And I once even called a guy a nigger in an online videogame,you can say I am some sort of outlaw. I know you read the entire thing and follow it to the dot. (I don't blame you, you confused it with the criminal code earlier itt) but I am talking about non bootlickers, and nonretards..
>By the way, why do you like to take away the freedom to resell stuff they own?
It is unpragmatic for digital stores to facilitate it, and it gets in the way of the ridiculous low prices. I also don't see a point in buying used copies when they are always in shit condition and are just paid piracy. though desu I used to routinely buy steam games as gifts, so that if I didn't use it within a year I could sell it. regardless there are like 20 ways you can sell your digital games if that is what you really want to do user. my main concern is the opposite. keeping my games forever, which is why digital has a slight edge in my books.

>I'm just going to suck PC dick because I can.

Why don't digital distributors have the decency to admit to their pay pigs that paying for digital is nothing more than giving a donation to a company?
Paying for digital is a mental illness.

It started out as a harmless, cool idea. oops, we goofed up and your character can get stuck if you do this, here's a patch to fix that. Or "hey we made an expansion pack. You can buy it in store but if you want you can download it too" but just like anything good, greedy fucking pigs have sat down and mapped out the best way to squeeze it for MAXIMUM profit, convincing simpletons that it's the future they want, when in reality it's the future THEY want.

how is it any different then paying $60 for a $0.5 disc?

For retarded incel Westerners to waste money on. Video games and anime are a tiny, niche market in Japan, only for virgin losers.

I don't know, people like >468707196 enjoy the digital world because of cheap games. You're a fringe rebel at best.

guys who buy physical. do you guys also buy Funko Pops, and like online lootcrates?

I would get the mention of lootboxes since they're digital, but the Funko mention really looks like out of place.

because they dont and cant afford to hoard.

have no ZOMGTURD METALJEBUS HIDDENGEMS VINTAGE TOP LISTS..........

They sell everything back once they are done with it aside from a few widespread attached titles.

the latter specially.

sadly around 2012-2015 gaijins started to noticed the decent prices of japanese games back then on ebay so they started setting up shops claiming to be form japan (which of course they were not) and marking up prices, and the dumb japs follow trough, because ''cogs in the machine'' aaaaaand, then americn importers keep the games or resold them in american territory at the prices they wanted, then asshole japs started tourist traps like Hot Potato and.........

it all went to shit......

then Logan Paul smashed some games in his videos in japan.....

and then Nintendo started tracking down ROM sites like they were kiddie porn......

a if japan hasnt already suffer because of anti digital backup laws and already fucked up anti piracy laws. (still need to get used to new keyboard)

no I mean like these lootcrate.com/
I am trying to understand the psychis of these people.

I have no idea what the fuck you are evn trying to say for most your post. But
>Nintendo started tracking down ROM sites like they were kiddie porn
And then they proceeded to get rid of fucking virtual console for no reason. I will never not be mad.

That's healthy behaviour.
>virtual "money"

The best thing is that the next generation will have even less retro titles. If they only made it for a platform that wasn't that limited by time... like Microsoft Windows.

My experience in retro shops in Tokyo was 75% French weebs. Maybe I just went at a weird time of year.

>carrying cash or change
>not establishing credit score or collecting points
yikes.

yeah, it is not long before Wii U and 3DS eshop die and it is gone for good. I just don't get why.

Nigga, move out of your moms house.

You pay less and you have to buy your own storage
Actually, I would technically agree that a video game (or any type of IP) purchase is similar to charity because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the product isn't ever worth anything objectively.

>why u no let us corporations fuck you in the ass lol xD le upbooooaats!!!

>credit score
>muh banks
you sound like scummy ass upper management type

kill yourself, my fucking palm breaking your ribs has more meaning than some number

what the hell does this mean
do they not have game stores in america anymore?

>You pay less and you have to buy your own storage
you pay more and still have to unless you eant 10 hour load times..?
>Actually, I would technically agree that a video game (or any type of IP) purchase is similar to charity because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the product isn't ever worth anything objectively.
this is retarded. value is based on supply and demand. Games are worth X because people will buy it. not because of the bomb cost involved in printing discs. voluntary exchange of goods and services is not "charity" you are paying for the services of the development team basically.

based edgy teenager. memes aside though, I will never understand underagers here and their hate for credit cards or basic lending principles.

you never have to worry about needing internet

you can literally install/play right as soon as you pop the disc in

i mean, are you for real dude?

let me tell you somethin, you might not realized it yet, since you lack common sense like a total retard

you can breathe through your nose

remember that

I still hope for a day in which Nintendo goes full SNK and begins to sell ROMs in Humble Store and GOG.com.

Only burgers can be this dumb.

Collect and hang them. Plastic is only good for sitting on a shelf since cover art died after gen 6

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so what are physicalcucks going to do once streaming games becomes the standard? kill themselves on masse?

Japan still uses Flipphones, Fax Machines, and Yahoo. They cling to what's familiar.

>sony, Microsoft and Nintendo only give a fuck about previous generations when they monetize them.

FTFY

>you never have to worry about needing internet
fair for like really third world places I guess...? I mean always online DRM is annoying but just initial downloads are much faster.
>you can literally install/play right as soon as you pop the disc in
installing off a disc is maxed at like 27mbit. I downloaded from steam at 750mbit. and pull from my NAS at 10gbit (not normal I acknowledge) discs are slower than internet now for most people. even on shitty cable people have 30mbit.
>you can breathe through your nose
>remember that
and renting games isn't magically better if the lender offers to burn it to a disc for you
Never ever. At best they will being fucking snes shit to Switch for us to inject roms in.

Because they have a love for video games as deep as Westerners used to have back in the good old days.

Retreat to my homestead, live quietly tending to my animals, fruit trees, and garden, and playing my old physical collection in the evenings. It will be a small life, but an honest one.

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>be me
>carry one plastic card that is insured against theft fraud and lose
>just tap that shit casually to buy anything no matter how obscure the pricing
>just insert it and I can spend $10000
>get points so I can travel the world
>money accumulates interest for extra three weeks in between bills.
>buy apartment using mortgage from my awesome credit score.
>be you
>carry shit tonnes of plastic sheets and metal coins.
>count them out every purchase and get awkward change
>will never be able to buy property
>if you lose it your fucked.
>probably don't even have a way to book flights or hotels (can you pay cash or debit...?)

Playing the games I bought when there was a retail industry for PC in my country and those who bought from GOG.com, GamersGate, Humble, developers stores and some other store. I played like 2% of my digital backlog (I actually kept track of it), so I could live without buying a single game.

Why are you black?

underrated

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>because HDDs last longer than optical disks
top kek, a real brainlet is posting on here.

because he posts on Yea Forums

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they do. I keep my games backed up on a ZFS 5 Array on my NAS. when an array fills up I back it up to 8tb drives that I put in a safe at my parents house offsite. If a drive dies in my array I can just replace it with no data loss. If my apartment burns down I have everything backed up. I check the health of the discs randomly. I obviously do my best to backup physical games to said array. But console DRM makes it incredibly difficult or even impossible to do so at times. leaving games suceptible to simple physical damage or even just rotting slowly over time.

In one case you actually pay money for goods, that you actually own as in you can sell them, give them to a friend, whatever.
In the other case you don't.

I mean just go for streaming, it doesn't matter anyway. Pay monthly fees on top.
What does it matter?
You don't own digital anything anyway.

Don't be retard. In digital you keep the files, that later can be cracked. Streaming is the final form of DRM.

>they do.
They don't, you fucking moron.
One of my first Audio-CDs I ever bought is still working.
Meanwhile I don't even own a single harddrive that is older than 10 years, because that shit breaks.

You are literally talking out of your ass.

>muh drive array, i just replace discs
You idiot said that harddrives would last longer than optical discs.
You are now saying that you "just replace them constantly", which is the opposite of lasting longer than optical discs.

Just get a bad day and 2 drives break and you are SOL. Idiot.

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>keep the files
You don't own anything, so why not simply just steal. It's retarded to pay for digital downloads.
>muh can be cracked
Also Denuvo.
>Streaming is the final farm
What does it matter?
You pay for digital downloads anyway, so you obviously don't care about ownership.

>Also Denuvo.
Every game will be cracked sooner or later.
>you obviously don't care about ownership.
I do care about preservation.

>In one case you actually pay money for goods, that you actually own as in you can sell them, give them to a friend, whatever.
steam lets you share with friends. Kinda impossible to stop it on GoG.
>I mean just go for streaming, it doesn't matter anyway. Pay monthly fees on top.
Horrible inout lag, quality issues and artifacting, don't have the files locally or render locally.
>What does it matter?
I like rendering locally and owning my games.
>You don't own digital anything anyway.
you don't own physical either you own a "license" they way I personally approach it is "if they want to take it from me is there a god damned thing they can do about it"
Which usually physical v.s. digital plays 0 role. ultimately the distinction is DRM in which console games are the worst offendors.
basically it goes
DRM free physical/or digital> DRM ridden PC game physical or digital>Physical console>digital console.
okay data stored in HDDs outlives data stored on optical discs. they outlive them in cold storage in many circumstances. your problem is you are probably using shitty laptop drives in your computer that is using them all the time. If you had proper quality NAS or Server drives running seldom they won't die as often.
also if I was that paranoid of dual drive failure I would just use ZFS 6. But since I regularly do offsite backups and it is mostly WORM, I find that to be overkill. I have never even lost a drive in like 6 years of this server. meanwhile you lose one disc your game is gone. You probably don't store your games in a temperature controlled fireproof/waterproof safe, so your plan is basically hope nothing happens, hope you don't damage them, and hope you don't want to use them in 40+ years. my JetX2.0 disc just randomly doesn't work. I have never lost a digital game.

>Every game will be cracked
So what's your fucking point.
muh I pay for digital downloads and pay tons of money for literally nothing in return
muh I pay the fat ass Valve Gabe for nothing, so that that faggot can buy his 5th yacht
muh digital downloads is not a problem, because IF VALVE DOES NOT LET ME DOWNLOAD/PLAY THE GAMES I PAID FOR, I WILL SIMPLY STEAL THEM hehe I'M SO SMART

You can't be serious.
>I do care about preservation
If you did, you wouldn't accept this muh digital download bullshit.

It may be easier to bypass denuvo rather than crack it. If you develop even a rudimentary AI, it could make a DRM algorithm that no conventional processor could crack, so we can't always assume that free labor will be around to aid piracy.

DRM ridden PC game physical or digital>Physical console
I would agree with this as long as the physical PC release isn't tied to any account. Otherwise, it's just a paperweight.

so pirate then faggot.
We aren't your mom. some people like buying games, in which case digital is better. If you don't care then pirate. not sure what you gain from buying. you can get an inkjet printer, a spindle of DVDs, a box of DVD cases and a DVD burner for less than one fully priced physical game if you want that route.

>So what's your fucking point.
I'm not even talking on legal standpoint, but a preservation one.

>If you did, you wouldn't accept this muh digital download bullshit.
It's true that is harder to preserve games in the patch happy digital age, but taking away the files from the user is next level cancer. If the server dies, the remaining files can be cracked. With streaming you don't have such option.

>you can get an inkjet printer, a spindle of DVDs, a box of DVD cases and a DVD burner
But not printer ink lol. Ironically the original DRM.

>But not printer ink lol. Ironically the original DRM.
kek true. Get a refiller.

>steam lets you share with friends
Oh does it.
Let me tell you, I can right now give a game on disc to a friend, and he can play it right away.
Are you able to do the same?
Or do these people have to re-download all the crap?
And what happens when internet is not working?
I can also take a disc right with me and play on another computer 10 miles away.
Can you do that?
Or do you have to wait hours for the downloads to be done?
>buys games on Steam
>complains about "quality issues" re streaming
You can't be serious.
PC gaming is so low quality nowadays, it's not even funny anymore.

>okay data stored in HDDs outlives data stored on optical discs
Again, it doesn't.
>NAS or Server drives running seldom they won't die as often.
Hey look, child.
I own like around 2000 Blu-ray titles.
And possibly over 700 games on disc.
I won't even mention all the other shit.
I also won't mention my DVDs.
There is not a single disc that doesn't work.
Storing all of that on silly servers would be completely insane.
>muh shitty laptop drives
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Notebook drives are higher quality because they have to be able to handle all sorts of shit.
Try to shake your server NAS shit around for some hours and see how well it is handling it.
>since I regularly do offsite backups
See, that's autistic and crazy.
How much time do you idiot waste on all this shit?
And you waste time on shit and even pay for that shit on top.
It's like completely crazy.
>never even lost a drive in like 6 years
6 years is nothing, child.
>hope you don't want to use them in 40+ years.
Hey idiot, I own games that are older than 40 years and they still work.
Imagine that, child.

>so pirate then faggot.
I'm not one of those morons paying for digital downloads.
And I'm also not a nigger.
So nope, I won't pirate.
Piracy has ruined PC gaming.
Piracy and Steam.

You will now realize that kids of the current year won't be able to play the video games of their childhood when they're older.

Which ones?

Yes, that will get really funny.
I'm also waiting for Valve to screw everyone over.
For example introducing some monthly subscription fee or some other shit.
And they will defend it.
Clown world.

Physical copies are just portable DRM licenses that you can resell.

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Even if that was true (it isn't), then that would still be way superior than online DRM crap.

>sadly around 2012-2015 gaijins started to noticed the decent prices of japanese games back then on ebay so they started setting up shops claiming to be form japan (which of course they were not)
I've been importing cheap used stuff from actual Japanese used items stores for more than 15 years.

It's either steam, or steam and epic and origin and uplay and bethesda et al.
I don't think it's a stark contrast; many PS1s and Genesis models exist floating around used markets because a lot of people who got them sold them off when they were done. We could hope that Steam sticks around, but I would rather push for legislation that grants extended rights to licenses independent of the platform they were bought on, like a blockchain that retains data after a service goes down.

>darius
If i had the room i'd buy the arcade cabinet.

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Every physical object has DRM with that retarded line of thought.

Steam started that shit.
I can't even really blame Microsoft for introducing patches in the console world.
Steam started it.
>look, you don't have to test games anymore
>Just release the shit, even alpha versions it doesn't matter
>We got this great patching shit available
>Yeah, patch everything
>It's not even a problem when you remove content via patches
>It's all fine
>Our customers are cucks
>They will defend anything we do.

>It's not even a problem when you remove content via patches
>It's all fine
>Our customers are cucks
>They will defend anything we do.
>gta-sa-music.png

If I can't buy physical copies of games anymore in the future why shouldn't I just pirate this shit?
My case in point right fucking here. Fuck these gaming cucks. These publishing/dev cunts would happily delete their own games so fuck them.

>>gta-sa-music.png
Exactly.
Physical master race still has everything on disc.
inb4
>but muh I can download the songs from the internet (aka pirate it) and then copy it over into the Steam folder, it's all fine. I love giving money to Steam.
>I also love these Rockstar people.
It's pure insanity.

I filled this out and put I only buy digital :^)
fuck physical and fuck collectors

Its actually being ruined by westerners who buy the games and take them back home, see it was that all the games and consoles kept switching hands but stayed in Japan.

>Let me tell you, I can right now give a game on disc to a friend, and he can play it right away.
>Are you able to do the same?
absolutely. faster even. since I don't need to drive to their house.
>Or do these people have to re-download all the crap?
ofc which is faster than disc installs.
>And what happens when internet is not working?
I imagine the Purge movies become real life everyday, and we no longer need videogames to pass the time?
>I can also take a disc right with me and play on another computer 10 miles away.
>Can you do that?
yes...? I can do it across the world.
>Or do you have to wait hours for the downloads to be done?
well I can install a 80gb game in about just over 10 minutes, You drive 10 miles in just a bit over that.
>You can't be serious.
I am, steam games are locally rendered and files are stored locally. like physical only SSD>>>>Blu ray disc.

>PC gaming is so low quality nowadays, it's not even funny anymore.
yeah 2080ti and 9900k btfo by based 24fps bloodborne machine.
>Again, it doesn't.
objectively does. I can lose 4 discs without data loss. you have 1 that is exposed
>There is not a single disc that doesn't work.
for now. but disc rot is real, and your house is not fireproof.
>Storing all of that on silly servers would be completely insane.
I did. You can make a script that just automatically remuxes blu rays so drive pops open swirch the disk rinse and repeat. then you can do plex to. EAC will let you do it for music as well then just make a handbrake folder for shit you are cool with encoding.
>Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Notebook drives are higher quality because they have to be able to handle all sorts of shit.
no, 2.5" drives are notoriously low quality because they have to fit a form factor. drives rated for running in arrays and servers are 3.5" drives with slower parts to ensure theri 24/7 ratings.
>Try to shake your server NAS shit around for some hours and see how well it is handling it.
why...?
>See, that's autistic and crazy.
that is fine, I don't expect everyone to do this. some people just use netflix and Spotify as well. if it works for you do it. I am merely saying if you care about preservation and keeping your games forvwr this is the best way. If yo don't just buy ps4 discs I don't give a shit. just don't pretend like your setup is better or you "own your games" more than I do.
>How much time do you idiot waste on all this shit?
I have it mostly automated.
>It's like completely crazy.
that is fine, archival is not for everyone.
>6 years is nothing, child.
sure, but that means the probability of two disk failure at once AND my cold stored backups to die at the same time is unlikely..
>Hey idiot, I own games that are older than 40 years and they still work. the first optical disk based games are well under 40 years old dumb zoomer.
>child.
ironic

Physical is just better.

meant for

Steam has a feature that allows you to download old versions
Saying they "started" a trend doesn't mean they were the cause; it was inevitable.
Piracy and elitist attitude can cause a negative feedback loop that makes publishers more prone to implementing DRMs. Instead of aiming to fix the problems associated with digital distribution, people who hole up and ask physical or nothing are only making fools of themselves since that's not a realistic expectation.

>Piracy and elitist attitude can cause a negative feedback loop that makes publishers more prone to implementing DRMs.
Poor corporations and poor cuckstomers.

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DRM is shitty for all parties
It eats into game budget, fucks performance and mods, and pirates have to wait much longer because of the hill they choose to die on. If you're going to protest, have a solution and don't be a nigger.

You said it bub. I’d like to keep living in world that has both, but I strongly suspect that these companies are will try to phase out physical media no matter what we want, and that’s why it’s important to have people on board with the idea of always keeping it. Xbox owners would have their Ones always online DRM connected without the ability to play used games already if the consumers didn’t speak up and make them 180 their decision.

I already have a decent backlog, I really couldn't care less about new games, publishers and the cucks who enable them, tbqh family.

>Xbox owners would have their Ones always online DRM connected without the ability to play used games already if the consumers didn’t speak up and make them 180 their decision.
Don't forget this.
youtube.com/watch?v=kejOhCfNeo4

I think we need tech advances as well though. we need to stop pretending like Optical disks are not a HUGGE bottleneck. and both parts fuck over the other. physical is responsible for some retarded pricing deals. but that could be rectified by mostly online distribution of physical.

Yeah, unfortunately that's not going to happen. Here is the most likely scenario. Companies, like you said regardless of what the people want will push for more control since they are already in a state of entropy. Companies are always looking for constant growth and that is something that cannot happen in the long run, eventually they will go down just the same way society today is in a decline. I suggest collection all the actual good games that were made in the past and keep replaying those, and not to put your eggs in one basket, have different hobbies, etc.

because Japanese still buy them and they weren't plagued by FUCKING GAMESTOP.
meanwhile PC gaming would've been dead to me if not for Gaben, something fucking Gamestop and Tim Sweeney are responsible for thanks to not stocking PC games and actively having tried to kill PC games (until Fortnite zoom zooms began printing him money and the autistic chink-owned sperg tried to strong-arm back into the PC market)

Nah fuck off stupid cuckold. These gaming companies have been providing digital games for so many years now but outside of Steam have we really started to see lower and fairer prices? No we have not despite the fact that they save so much more money with digital sales since they don't have to ship physical copies to stores. Do we see fairer business practices? No of course we don't. If anything digital has been getting slimier by the day. Epic right now is literally pulling some true dirtbag tactics just to get their platform to be successful. These companies will absolutely fuck everyone in the ass no lube if physical completely dies. That will be the day gaming is truly and I mean truly not meme this time dead. Gaming was able to survive a crash, it was able to survive DLC, microtransactions, online passes and a ton more. While all bad these will be nothing in comparison to how fucked we will be if gaming is all digital. You can forever expect broken games and outrages prices and nickle and diming into oblivion by then. Far worse than what we see today. They will even start gladly removing games for no reason much sooner than they might do now.

>absolutely. faster even
It takes me 2 minutes to go there.
Let me guess everyone you know has a T1.
>which is faster than disc installs.
top fucking kek
No, it isn't. Dumbo.
>Internet is always available, servers are always available. There are no problems ever.
He has forgotten the Google outages in the last x months and counting.
Funny.
>yes...? I can do it across the world.
No, you will have to download the games and depending on internet connection it will take ages.
>well I can install a 80gb game in about just over 10 minutes
I can take 20 movies with me.
That's around 1 TB of content.
>muh that will only take me 2 hours.
Do you even know that tons of games and movies are not available digitally btw.?
Try to get Silent Hill 2 on Steam.
Oh wait, you can't.
Try to get Silent Hill 3 on Steam.
Oh wait, you can't.
Dumbass.
>steam games are locally rendered and files are stored locally
>"Steam games"
He doesn't know...
"Streaming Videos on Steam is a new feature that enables watching a video on Steam without the need to first download the video locally."
Step by step.
>oh wow, a new Steam feature. I love streaming now.
Dumbass.

>I strongly suspect that these companies are will try to phase out physical media no matter what
physical is no longer necessary except for collectors and people without internet so it will become a premium item instead of being phased out completely

>your house is not fireproof.
So?

Option a) Shitty Steam downloads - YOU OWN NOTHING AT ALL. STEAM can cut you off anytime they want to.

Option b) physical discs/copies - YOU OWN THEM.

>Batman, Batman, but but but option b - what about dem fires? Fires could destroy EVERYTHING YOU OWN

Yes, you will never be affected, BECAUSE YOU DON'T OWN ANYTHING IN ANY CASE, kiddo.

If all these companies really wanted everyone to go digital why wouldn't they heavily discount all digital purchases until physical was driven out of the mainstream? This happens in every other industry- undercut until you win. Right now it's the opposite, I can almost always get physical games cheaper not to mention the option to resell.

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Sekiro was able to get away with it fairly easily. I hate DRM about as much as anybody else, and it's really a shame to see this because I know they'll take it a step further, and another, until we can't live without it.
Physical copies don't cost very much (for big developers), we all knew this. The only relevant savings probably come from higher total game sales allowing for price cuts.
There's not any legitimate difference between a physical game and a digital game at this point. It's just that the day one patch has to be installed separately.

>black people
>are just normal dudes

>Saying they "started" a trend doesn't mean they were the cause;
>it was inevitable.
No, dumbass.

They started with all this shit.
Without the ability, game developers wouldn't be able to release shitty untested totally broken games, because well you would get murdered sales wise AS IT SHOULD BE.

And on Steam that shit is even a feature.
Releasing unfinished Alpha versions of games and then even make people pay for that.
Hilarious.

inb4
>but but that's just an option, options are always good.

Steam murdered PC gaming.
All of it.
That's why most of PC gaming nowadays is cheaply made console ports.

>It takes me 2 minutes to go there.
really. I have a friend who lives 1500km away. can you do that in 2min
>No, it isn't. Dumbo.
I have ripped a lot of fucking blu rays in my life. PS4 tops out at 27.4 mb read. a shitty cable connection is 30 at the lowest. for comparison I can torrent MGS 4, ftp it to my ps3, install it and play it, twice before you can install it from the disc. and that is bottlenecked by dumb ps3 shit. I could install 175gb FFXV 3x faster than you could install mgs4 on a ps3 from disc.
>There are no problems ever.
good point. good thing there is a 24/7 gamestop across the street that has every game in stock ever made always
>No, you will have to download the games and depending on internet connection it will take ages.
The largest Install I have is 175gb. Lets say I wanted to give it to someone somewhere with really shitty internet. Australia. If they had a 30mbit connection it would take them 13 hours. a flight to give them the disc at the Sydney airport would take 18 alone.
>I can take 20 movies with me.
I can download it while streaming them from my Plex server lossly. all 2000 of mine.
>That's around 1 TB of content.
that is like 50tb of content.
>Do you even know that tons of games and movies are not available digitally btw.?
yes. it is annoying as fuck to rip them. why i prefer digital.
>Try to get Silent Hill 2 on Steam.
I am not arguing over library. I am arguing which is the better distribution method .
>Dumbass.
you already moved the goalpost.
>"Streaming Videos on Steam is a new feature that enables watching a video on Steam without the need to first download the video locally."
cool, but not for me.
>oh wow, a new Steam feature. I love streaming now.
sony and M$ are doing it to. they have a higher probability of making it the norm.

Something else, by the way. People who are physical or nothing are a fringe minority, they won't affect shit. Second, the industry is moving towards game-as-a-service, a nice creation of the digital era. And lastly, publishers will force streaming if conditions are adequate regardless of what you, I or the average consumer wants.

>If all these companies really wanted everyone to go digital why wouldn't they heavily discount all digital purchases until physical was driven out of the mainstream?
Certainly it happened with Steam sales.

lmao gta 4 had their songs removed and replaced after like what, 10 years? can't do that shit with physical CDs like san andreas might not be full on DRM but its going to happen at this rate. like what the other anons said, what are they going to do, break down your door and replace your old GTA discs with new ones with updated radio stations?

>Americans
Japan is an American special economic zone. We nuked them twice and occupy their island with our military. We can take whatever we want. Be it their games or their sideways vaginas.

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It's probably developers who care more about not making physical copies. You have to bid out for shelf space and adjust manufacturing. Not to mention indies who might not be able to afford it or would have to take big hits to do so. Sony and MS are probably fine with resting on proprietary hardware so at least people still buy the consoles (and online only games).
Valve did not invent the internet. If anything, it was MMOs that started the trend of "implement it now, fix it later".
Games as a service is in some part a response to piracy. You can't pirate what's free, and all that.
I think we can avoid the worst case outcome of forced online DRM or streaming, but vocal minorities should at least be understanding about their issues or developers like Epic will feel even more justified in their apparent distain for gamers.
If the game was always online (as more are) they could very easily suspend access until you update.

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>so?
wo if my house burns down, my dads house burns down. Valve shutsdown permanently and removes all their servers, I still have all my games. your house burns down you are fucked. PSN shutsdown you lose 30% of your library. But I am not the one who owns their games appearantly.
>Option a) Shitty Steam downloads - YOU OWN NOTHING AT ALL. STEAM can cut you off anytime they want to.
how? they gonna come to my house steal my desktop and my NAS, go to my dada house take the safe bolted to his a fucking floor and steal that to?
>Option b) physical discs/copies - YOU OWN THEM.
**own a license to use them, Sony is not responsible if you no longer have access to them with the shutdown of sony servers when they stop caring about that generation and you lose access to online games or day 1 updates needed , or dlc or free content updates. You are not entitled to access the game should your product be damaged.
>Yes, you will never be affected, BECAUSE YOU DON'T OWN ANYTHING IN ANY CASE, kiddo.
this honestly. I mean yeah I have more DRM games then you. and yeah I keep cracks for all my steam games. But Sony was nice enough to burn your rental to a disc for you ao that was nice!

Tokyo has gone to shit for retro games, but tokyo and parts of osaka are all normies care about. Go anywhere else outside that shit and youll still find all the good stuff for good prices. You basically have to become a regular to stores in tokyo, as well as speak Japanese, and trade in/ sell stuff for a while, then sometimes depending on the store, will know you arent some retard trying to make a profit and will allow you to see the good stuff for a good price.

There's a store i went to about an hour outside of tokyo and they had a sign in Japanese that had pokemon earthbound, and sailor moon shit behind glass with a sign in japanese saying "GAIJIN PRICES" but if you could actually read or speak Japanese he sold it to you for the real prices (usually under 1000 yen)

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>Why does japan value owning things
What are you a communist?

>this honestly. I mean yeah I have more DRM games then you. *DRM free

It is the publishers dream to completely cut out the middle man (aka stores such as Walmart, Gamestop, etc) from getting a piece of the sales on games. By going digital only the sales will go to whoever is in control of the platform for distribution and the publisher itself. Devs get paid before a game ever ships and if it sells well could maybe get bonuses from their publisher overlord.

Most people not in support of digital anymore are youngcuck faggots that have no clue what they will be asking for. Even if you prefer digital you should never want to see physical die off. I cannot say the same for the reverse. Phsyical has been here long before digital and it never really hurt games for the most part. Its nice to have games patched of course if they have bad bugs but pubs/devs took advantage of this nice benefit online brought. I hate digital and the cucks that not only defend it but want an all digital future.

I have a friend in Australia, right in the rainforest, has really really really shitty download+upload speed.

>a flight to give them the disc at the Sydney airport would take 18 alone.
Who told you that I'm not from Australia?

>PS4 tops out at 27.4 mb read
You do know that Blu-ray movies do not need to be installed, right?
That was what I was talking about, dumbo.

Also
>PS4
kek
>ftp it to my ps3
So you are a mentally unstable nigger even?
>twice before you can install it from the disc
That makes no sense, because even when you nigger MGS4, you will also have to install it on the PS3. You make zero sense.

>I can download it while streaming them
I thought you nigger hated streaming.
Now you even stream?

> it is annoying as fuck to rip them
Not the movies problem that you are a nigger.

>"Streaming Videos on Steam..."
>not for me
So you are schizo on top.

btw. regarding sharing.
>Can I share specific games, or do I have to share my whole library?
>Libraries are shared and borrowed in their entirety.

You know, I don't trust certain friends, and I wouldn't want them to access everything I own/pseudo-own.
But whatever.
But wait, it gets better:

>You may authorize Family Library Sharing on up to 10 devices at a given time, and for up to 5 accounts that may then use your game library on any of your authorized computers.

So you nigger got only 5 friends in total?
As I said, I own around 2000 Blu-rays.
If all of that was on Steam, and I had 6 friends, I couldn't give the 6th friend access to specific movies/games, because Valve are kikes.

I used to want to go to Japan, but whenever I see these people, I get filled with rage for some reason. I don't want to make someone else be filled with rage

Its simply because they are that greedy. Also gaming is not the same as every other industry so you cannot compare it.

>Valve did not invent the internet
That wasn't my point.
You know why tons of people got sick of PC gaming in the last years of 199x and changed to consoles?
Because everything got more and more broken.
Patch download here, download there, everywhere.
PC gaming should be 100% dead nowadays.
And if that would have happened, console companies wouldn't dare to pull the same shit.

because the jews havent invaded japan and forced them to bend over to digital distribution practices and sales based on revocable and/or perishable licenses rather than the games themselves

>siding with people who are completely fine with killing physical copies or siding with people who are completely fine with killing physical copies
Hmmm...
>Games as a service is in some part a response to piracy.
Yikes. X (Doubt).
>vocal minorities
Yeah, because corporations care what 3 retards say in a Chinese puppetry imageboard.

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How fucking WRONG retard

Has Steam affected doujin games? instead of selling a bunch of burnt CDs do they just give people download codes at comiket or similar events?

everything said in this post is right

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>You know why tons of people got sick of PC gaming in the last years of 199x and changed to consoles?
no one did that time period is the death of consoles. they haven't been important since.

Probably not steam, but I assume people buy less physical copies of porn games especially and just get it from that one site. dlsite or whatever it is called.

>Everything burns down including Valve
>I still have all my games
No, you don't.
>your house burns down you are fucked
There are these nice things called insurances.
They will pay for physical shit that got burned.
They will not pay for shit, when Valve felt like shutting down their gaming services.
>they gonna come to my house steal my desktop
Valve doesn't have to.
You seem to not understand what ownership means.
You don't own a single game that you bought on Steam. None. Nada.
Can't sell it. Can't pirate it when Steam throws you out.

>Sony
>you lose access to online games
Am I arguing in favor of the Sony?
Oh btw. what are you even talking about?
So not a single game on Steam lost online components? Are you dense?
>updates
That's why you but GOTY physical discs, dumbo. Those got all updates on disc.
>I keep cracks for all my steam games
Brilliant.
Pays shitty company for digital downloads.
Keeps cracks for games, for the case that he loses access to games.
>muh Sony
What are you on, nigger?
I'm not arguing in favor of Sony or Microsoft. All of them are shit. But Valve started with it including the update-update-update-BS.

btw. read the Steam user agreement.
You may be in for a shock.

>Who told you that I'm not from Australia?
then congrats, you are SOL trying to lend anywhere else in the world,m
>You do know that Blu-ray movies do not need to be installed, right?
I was talking about games since this is Yea Forums. blu ray remuxes can be streamed via direct play instantouesly so that is moot.
>PS4
>kek
xbone is not better.
>That makes no sense, because even when you nigger MGS4, you will also have to install it on the PS3. You make zero sense.
because the read speed of the hdd in my ps4 is that much faster than a blu ray disc.
my loading times for non install based games is even faster.
>Now you even stream?
lossless rips of movies and music from my own server. i don't stream games because they are rendered in real time. I don't use netflix or Spotify because of not owning it/bad encodes. But I use plex a lot yes.
>Not the movies problem that you are a nigger.
I like to keep my shit forever sue me. I am talking about games tho. not movies. ripping movies is easy, and I always buy physical to rip, for higher bitrate better audio codecs.
>So you are schizo on top.
cause I don't use a feature?
>btw. regarding sharing..
>You know, I don't trust certain friends, and I wouldn't want them to access everything I own/pseudo-own.
then revoke access when he is done? .
>So you nigger got only 5 friends in total?
well my friends buy their own games. But I am impressed that you found a way to legend a physical disc to 5 people at a time. no wonder you love them so much, you broke physics. I personally found a thing called cracks that bypasses the 2.5x limit on lending steam games tho.
>As I said, I own around 2000 Blu-rays.
same....?
>If all of that was on Steam, and I had 6 friends, I couldn't give the 6th friend access to specific movies/games, because Valve are kikes.
If all you are on is PS4, and you only have 2 friends, you can't give the second one access to specific games because the laws of physics are kikes.

>There are these nice things called insurances.
>They will pay for physical shit that got burned.
LOL!

>PS2 never sold 150 million
>instead back then that was the time preiod when consoles died
cope.

It's not that I won't accept physical games, it's that they are almost exactly the same as far as owning them goes. You have very few extra options, and are just as screwed if an online service bombs because of downloaded files being prevalent in more games than not, and online DRM of some form existing in the same way. Hating digital only exposes a one-dimensional viewpoint, as physical and digital are only separated by copy protection. You could rip a physical game or burn a digital one if either option wasn't flawed.
>people got sick of PC gaming in the last years of 199x and changed to consoles
So they could play the bad versions of DOOM and Half Life, with no fixes? I don't buy it.

whats holding those up?

whatever helps you sleep at night lil zoom

Never heard of this game. Looks pretty fun from the video I just saw. Might have to check this one out.

>No, you don't.
yes, I will pull drives from my dads safe, rebuild my arrays put them on my new computer and install the cracks.
>There are these nice things called insurances.
insurance will pay for the value of the goods. not spend 10 years scouring ebay trying to rebuild your lifes collection.
>They will not pay for shit, when Valve felt like shutting down their gaming services.
thank god I have cracks. You hacked all your consoles right?
>Valve doesn't have to.
how they gonna do it then?
>You seem to not understand what ownership means.
I do. I won my games because nobody can take them from you. You do not because youe discs become paperweights when servers shutdown.
remind me. I have halo 1 on PC. I can still play it online. can people with OG xbox? reminds me I have updates for all my games stored locally. do you? what happens when servers go?
>You don't own a single game that you bought on Steam. None. Nada.
and you own a bunch of cheap discs and licenses. difference is i plan on protecting my Library.
>Can't sell it.
sure I could if I really wanted to. maybe GameStop wouldn't take it for their $0.30 offer but I am aure CL people will buy it.
>Can't pirate it when Steam throws you out.
why not...?
>>you lose access to online games
>Am I arguing in favor of the Sony?
you are arguing in favor of physical which only exists in heavily drm ridden platform. for PC whether data is burned to a diac for you or not is moot.
>So not a single game on Steam lost online components?
communities add them back.

>xbone is not better.
What are you on?
I already told you that all of them are shit, especially this so called generation.
ALL.
Understood?
ALL?
Burger education, everyone.
>in my ps4
Makes no sense, you quoted me saying something regarding MGS4.
>I steam from my own server
>"I don't use netflix or Spotify because of not owning it"
So full schizo.
>Steam is great, oh btw. I don't stream movies because I want to own them.
Choose one, dumbo.
>I like to keep my shit forever sue me
If you were, you wouldn't give Steam a dime.
And you also wouldn't own a PS4.
>I always buy physical
Fully schizo, as I said.
>But I am impressed that you found a way to legend a physical disc to 5 people at a time.
And incapable of reading.
Steam has a restriction, which is:
- First of all, YOUR WHOLE LIBRARY IS "SHARED"
- SHARING IS LIMITED TO 5 ACCOUNTS
Understood?
It's not about ONE DISC, you fucking dumbass.

It's about for example 6 discs to 6 friends.
And 6 discs is literally nothing for me.
You can't do that on Steam.
Literally can't.
Because Valve are kikes.

>If all you are on is PS4
I'm not homosexual, so I don't.
Why would anyone own one?

>That's why you but GOTY physical discs, dumbo. Those got all updates on disc.
so your argument for physical is that it is almost as reliable as long as you exclusively by rereleases of select games that get them?
>Brilliant.
thanks
>Keeps cracks for games, for the case that he loses access to games.
I am strongly against DRM. You will here no argument for it from me. the discussion is physical v.s. digital.
>What are you on, nigger?
they are most popular system with physical.
>I'm not arguing in favor of Sony or Microsoft. All of them are shit.
no...? consoles had DRM first.
>btw. read the Steam user agreement.
don't give a shit about anything they can't enforce.

>LOL!
So you do not have insurance?
You know what you get?
You get a few empty harddrives.
So right, for you an insurance makes no sense.

>It's not that I won't accept physical games, it's that they are almost exactly the same as far as owning them goes. You have very few extra options, and are just as screwed if an online service bombs because of downloaded files being prevalent in more games than not, and online DRM of some form existing in the same way. Hating digital only exposes a one-dimensional viewpoint, as physical and digital are only separated by copy protection. You could rip a physical game or burn a digital one if either option wasn't flawed.

Everything you are talking about is easily explained by the point that online and online distribution's origin is what hurt gaming to begin with. As online for consoles started to take form more and more from 04 or whatever year XBL started to now this became very apparent for anyone that was old enough to have experienced it and paid attention.

Digital has more issues than physical ever will. The only reason they gimp physical games now with such large mandatory patches is because digital/online has been a cancer that has been growing inside of gaming essentially until you now see just how large the cancerous tumor has gotten where as people back then weren't noticing how bad it might just get. That is always how cancerous business works. Its a slow burn until by the time the masses notice it is too late. The people warning early are essentially the canneries in the coal mine warning people but the people ignore or even worse, do what so many here on Yea Forums do. Laugh and make memes instead of fighting this shit properly.

Magnet pad on the wall

it's fun to collect

>Literally can't.
literally can for some games

t. manchild that has no idea how insurance works. hard drives and that guy is up and running with his entire library as fast as he wants, a physical collection will never be replaced and you'll be lowballed to hell.

at this point we are going in circles.
you argue ownership but when I say what I do to make sure I cant lose any media you say it is schizo. Suggesting you don't actually care about ownership.
you say DRM is bad, and I agree. but you pretend drm is the same as digital. and that physical is drm free. it is not. you are buying files. it can be drm ridden or drm free. it can come from a quick convient download or a shitty slow disc. owning it, future access and having it taken away have nothing to do with the distribution merely the DRM. physical only exists on console and the DRM and risk of losing your games is far greater there then steam even, whereas the best platform for actually"owning" your Games is a digital platform called GoG. if you want like CDprojekt to start selling GoG disks on Amazon i think it would be a nest novelty I am not opposed to. if you think bottlenecking the industry to blu rays would do anything to effect DRM or gaming licenses being restrictive you are retarded. consoles prove optical media at best is no different, but at most adds another layer of DRM.
I buy files for games. GoG cant get them to me in minutes. Amazon a day. I go with GoG.

>Digital has more issues than physical ever will.
Such as? The problems you attribute solely to digital games would not leave if you somehow switched to only physical.
>Laugh and make memes instead of fighting this shit properly
I've been saying that, but your main problems are DRM and lack of quality standards on major platforms, not " digital is bad I hate it get rid of it".

But everything got burnt to the fucking ground?
The fire fighters destroyed everything on top.
Nothing exists anymore.
>but muh safe
Destroyed.
You own nothing.
And insurance will tell you to fuck off.
>insurance will pay for the value of the goods
>not spend 10 years
So I'm fucking rich.
What will you get for all the shekels and time you wasted?
5 hard drives.
Empty.
No value.
COPE.

>how they gonna do it then?
They don't have to do anything, you accepted their user agreement. You don't anything.
They can close your account anytime they like.
You can then try to sue them.
Maybe you will win, maybe you will lose.
Regardless you don't own shit.

>and you own a bunch of cheap discs and licenses
Strangely I can put all these "cheap discs" and "cheap carts" on ebay and get a fortune.
You don't.
If you try to sell your Steam account, you may get banned on ebay even.
But let's say you do it, you will not get anywhere the amount I will be getting for physical editions.

>why not...?
Oh I forgot. You are a nigger.
I was talking about legally.
But you are a nigger, so you can of course steal stuff.
But then - why pay for it in the first place.

>physical which only exists in heavily drm ridden platform
Wrong, child.

>communities add them back.
Okay, then show me how "the community" added online back to RockShot.
Right now it looks to me like the game was fully shut down.

furthermore if you live in a third world country with dialup. just usb games over to your buddies house.

the real question is why does Yea Forums love digital so much to the point they question the idea of having physical?

Japs are all about culture preservation and stuff.

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because it's objectively superior

Install dosbox. Install virtualbox. Install that playstation and sega emulators.

Your physical copies are just collecting dust and your old consoles are slowly rotting away while there are torrents with ever single game release from 80ties to 2000 and it can all fit on single HDD and played in superior framerate and resolution than the original could.

Physical copies are just CDs with 50 years longevity or various obscure cartridges. Wanna save old games for future? Hoard the software while the torrents are still alive. As these old games lose popularity, they also lose seeders.

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novelty

Because that's what GabeN wants.
Based Gabe Newell.

>Destroyed
no it is a really nice safe. you are also forgetting this is based on two fires like a 15 minute drive away.
>And insurance will tell you to fuck off.
they will oay what I paid for all my hardrives.
>So I'm fucking rich.
nope, home owners insurance is not based on current value like car insurance. it is based on new value. so you will get jewed in any "rare" game. and you won't have documentation to say you paid $60 for each game. they will lowball the fuck out of what your library is worth because they can.
>5 hard drives.
>Empty.
repopulated with all my games over like a few nights.
>They don't have to do anything, you accepted their user agreement.
so...?
>They can close your account anytime they like.
which is why, unlike you, I have contingency.
>Maybe you will win, maybe you will lose.
lose.
>Regardless you don't own shit.
nn...n..no you don't own them because those cracks are a TOS VIOLATIONS!! I OWN MY COPY OF HAWX tho. being able to actually play it is only a minor technicality!
>Strangely I can put all these "cheap discs" and "cheap carts" on ebay and get a fortune.
cool. I am more interested in playing games.
>If you try to sell your Steam account, you may get banned on ebay even.
don't care
>But let's say you do it, you will not get anywhere the amount I will be getting for physical editions.
I have tonnes of sealed LEs to be honest and a shit tone of stuff from LRG. all sealed cause I jut pirate it after. .
>I was talking about legally.
nobody cares
>But you are a nigger, so you can of course steal stuff.
yeah ensuring I can play games I buy is stealing you dumb bootlicker.
>But then - why pay for it in the first place.
support devs, fund my hobby, having another point of access. fast downloads, autoupdates.
>Wrong, child.
where else?
>Right now it looks to me like the game was fully shut down.
do it then you lazy prick.

>so your argument for physical is that
There are even games on PS3 that did not get updates at all.
The modern HD games shit is shit anyway.
PS3 generation was shit.
Wii generation still got properly made games without updates.
Why?
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO WAY TO PATCH GAMES.
Just compare the library of Wii to the sub 720p ones on PS3+360.
That's what happens when game devs are forced to actually test their games.
Hell, even the Wii U has tons of games without a single update, which weren't broken.
It even has exclusive online games with not a single patch.
Switch on the other hand got fully kike'd in that regard.
>consoles had DRM first.
Bull-fucking-shit.

because japan is boomer country and can't into technology

>a physical collection will never be replaced
I never said that.
Insurance will pay the (current) value of the collection though - in case you documented it properly.
Which means tons of money for me.

You on the other hand get a few empty hard drives, because that's the only thing that you actually own.
Insurance won't do ripping, or downloading, or anything at all.

>at this point we are going in circles.
No, I simply got you now by the balls with Steam's kike'd "game sharing".

You even probably just figured it out that it's badly restricted, which means unusable compared to physical sharing.

Japan is kinda cool but they're also a bunch of backwards twats in many regards. They'll figure it out eventually I'm sure.

>consoles had DRM first.
they did. plus the fact that consoles are literally physical drm.

>Bull-fucking-shit.
holy zoomer. NES physically locked out out of region and unnoficial carts.
>physical is better because I like Wii.
this is braindead at this point.
how many games can you share a physical copy with at once? and no you are now resorting to pretending GoG doesn't exist and saying that actual physical distribution doesn't count so you can conflate DRM with digital.

>this thread again

Good, I can post this again.

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>but you pretend drm is the same as digital. and that physical is drm free
Point to the post where I made that claim.
I didn't.
Never have.
Oh and btw. there are still PC games that are in fact released on disc without DRM.
Yes, it happens rarely, but that isn't the point.
And DRM can also be physical protection, which I'm actually okay with.
>physical only exists on console
More talking out of your ass.

For example Witcher 3 was released on physical disc.

>Insurance will pay the (current) value of the collection though
they won't
>Insurance won't do ripping, or downloading, or anything at all.
oh no how inconvenient that they won't do this task that takes literally no time at all and is nothing more than the click of a button

CP2077 will also have an optical disc on PC. Based CDPR.

is it all digital in burgerland? comfiest thing is to walk into a game shop in Tokyo and just look at all the physical carts from NES to the shiny new switch cases.

I feel like people aren't honest in these arguments
It's the same data either way, you get fucked by 50GB day 1 patches on both ends. Just with physical you can give it to a friend so he can also get fucked too

>it is a really nice safe
Hey, you started with fire fire fire.
Now I add a terrorist attack on top.
How about that?
The whole area got fucked up with a nuclear bomb.
It's dead.
You own nothing.
Good day, sir.
>it is based on new value
No, it isn't.
If it is for you, then get a proper insurance.
>repopulated with all my games over like a few nights.
Remember we were talking about a situation with tons of fire, including everything Valve got burned to the ground as well.
You can't re-download, because there is no Steam.
The only thing you can do is steal.

>you don't own them because those cracks are a TOS VIOLATIONS!
Research on what "ownership" means, dumbo.
And yes, it's schizo that on one hand you keep cracks "just in case" and on the other hand you pay a stinking company like Valve.
If you were smart, you would save the money and steal it right from the start.

>I have tonnes of sealed LEs
But I thought physical is bad?
You are truly schizo.

>>Right now it looks to me like the game was fully shut down.
>do it then you lazy prick.
You claimed BS about no online game having no online anymore.
I called you out on your non sense.

So you are a fucking liar, dumbo.

>Point to the post where I made that claim.
every argument you have is about DRM or your hateboner for Steam and their EULA. please cite me one of your argument s that would remotely effect GoG installers on my NAS or i burnt to discs.
>I didn't.
literally EVERY post.
>YOU DON'T OWN DIGITAL GAMES CAUSE OF STEAM DRM BUT I OWN ALL PHYSICAL GAMES EVEN THOUGH MOST PHYSICAL GAMES HAVE A HIGHER RISK OF DRM DEATH.
>Oh and btw. there are still PC games that are in fact released on disc without DRM.
yeah I already said it is a neat novelty. I bought CB2077 foe the goodies. and the silver case. For most plain simple jewel case or dvd case games I would rather just buy it digitally and save time and money. if my options are DRM free physical or steam I always would take the former.
>And DRM can also be physical protection, which I'm actually okay with.
no, this is the worst for archival. it is always both. but making ripping hard is how we lose games to time.
>For example Witcher 3 was released on physical disc.
yes 1-5% of games do. congrats, you bought a gog installer burnt to a disc. explain how that is at all different then if I just bought it from GoG and then idk burnt it to 10 discs and placed 9 of them on offsite backups? I mean yeah obviously I got it faster then you and for cheaper. but besides that what was the difference? it came preburnt to the shittiest form of backup?

In the Pre-Steam era, publishers made the patches publicily available and patches were infrequent. Now they can only be obtained thru Steam, GOG Galaxy and GOG.com (when they feel like make it standalone) and there are dozens of them for the average game. They also included the whole game in the physical release. Now you have to download content from Internet. Steam is the great gift to gaming.

>NES physically locked out out of region and unnoficial carts.
PCs existed before NES.
Imagine that, dumbo.

>how many games can you share a physical copy with at once?
I paid for one copy, so I own one copy, so I share that one copy.

>resorting to pretending GoG
Where did I do that?
Oh btw. GoG - in that case AT LEAST there is no DRM, so if you were actually smart, you would at the very least get your games from there, but nope.
Still - on GoG you buy one copy.
Yes, you can "share" aka pirate that one copy with 100 people, that will make you a nigger though.
btw. when you are going that way, I can also be a nigger and share my physical copy game the very same way.
But I don't, because I'm not a nigger.

No, physical games are available in retail and on Amazon. Gamestop is slowly dying because people buy them less, though. That could be due to Amazon taking the market share, as people don't go to stores for electronics, but also I think digital games hit them hard.
PC games are all digital but everybody should know that.
People say it like killing off Valve would stop Microsoft and Sony from allowing it

>physical is bad.
it certainly is. that is why I just save time and torrent them instead of dealing with the disc in the LE.
>ownership
the act, state, or right of possessing something
also.
to recap your dumb post.
for me to lose all my games.
>there needs to be a fire at both mt house, and my dads house
>a terrorist attack where terrorists nuke my town or come and steel the safe bolted to concrete.
>and GoG, Steam and Origin all need to shut down permanently.
for you to lose all your data.
>you need a minor fire or just basic damage to occur to discs.
But you own your games because you paid CDPR to burn the installer to a disc for you, whereas I thought it would be faster to download it myself..?

>every argument you have is about DRM or Steam
No, it isn't, dumbo.
One of my arguments is OWNERSHIP.
You still can't sell your GoG DRM free copy (legally) and thus said copy HAS NO VALUE.

>if my options are DRM free physical or steam I always would take the former.
Full schizo.

>this is the worst for archival
No, it isn't.
>you bought a gog installer burnt to a disc
Talking more out of your ass?
inb4
>yeah on these 5 discs or whatever, the GOG installer just takes that much space.

>it came preburnt
Educate yourself on physical discs, nigger.
Yes, when you "burn" discs at your shitty nigger home, they won't last.
But "pre-burnt" discs are not made the same way.

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>People say it like killing off Valve would stop Microsoft and Sony from allowing it
Nobody knows, because it will never happen. What do we know is that Valve started it.

RIP

Pro tip:

most westerners in Japan are Aussies & Canadians.

I know for damn sure that if Bethesda can do it they will, so it was more of a when than if it would happen

The problem is not that it’s digital distribution, is the license thing. GoG sell games that doesn’t have any DRM, and you can whatever you want with the rom that they gave you

>pc existed before NES
which drm methods are you referring to?
>I paid for one copy.
then I guess steam sells 5. great value.
>where did I do that.
conflating digital with steam.
>but nope
where did I say nope? I buy everything that I want and is on GoG, from GoG. I am a fucking archiving autist. I thought that was a given?
>share
My friends aren't poor so we don't do this. But I am pretty sure there is 0 difference between you lending out a DRM free install disc and me sending my bud the installer.
>One of my arguments is OWNERSHIP.
correct, I won my games. You paid for someone to burn them to a disc and hope that the store was nice enough and give you a copy to own instead of rent, completely out of your control.
>You still can't sell your GoG DRM free copy (legally) and thus said copy HAS NO VALUE.
I could. But I would never sell any of my games. there is no tangible difference between if either of us sold games. you just are making a technicality as a boot licker. also it is legal. If I am making unlicensed copies to distribute it is copyright infringement and I can get sued. if I am giving my only digital copy it is at best a ToS violation and I can get banned(notein theory not in reality) neither or these are illegal or impossible. the latter is indistinguishable morally from what you do so you are being obtuse.
>Full schizo.
so you you support DRM, jesus christ dude.
>No, it isn't.
it is, I have experience. it makes it the most difficult to back up to a kore reliable system.
>Talking more out of your ass?
no it literally is they do that.
>Yes, when you "burn" discs at your shitty nigger home, they won't last.
neither will CDPRs . high quality vertabim discs will be fine foe your casual use. but oprical as archival media is a terrible idea.
> "pre-burnt" are not made the same way.
true. but storing on dvds is suboptimal anyway, and is a single point of failure. I strongly recommend using a redundant storage array and offsite backup.

>>physical is bad.
I never said that, schizo.
>the act, state, or right of possessing something
omg, the faggot actually google'd the answer.
Look up an actual proper definition and do not make things up in your schizo mind.

>for me to lose all my games
>a terrorist attack
>and GoG, Steam and Origin all need to shut down permanently.
and?
Why and?
When Steam shits the bed, you will have a problem sooner or later anyway.
Also: ever thought about internet going down?

>you paid CDPR to burn the installer to a disc for you
Gone full schizo.
HEY FAGGOT, think about all these discs included.
Do you really think the Gog installer takes up that much space and then downloads everything from internet?

In reality - not where you are - those discs contain the full game.
The only reason why there is ALSO a gog installer is for updates, which are entirely optional, dumbo.

>which drm methods are you referring to?
You even used a lock out chip, which is not even meant to prevent regular folks from copying games, because well regular folks were incapable of doing so.

When doing that, you can also see a CD-ROM back then as DRM, because no one had the ability to burn CDs (for a few years).
Hell, you can also see a console cart as DRM.
Or the Gamecube mini-discs as DRM.
Or well consoles as a whole.

I'm referring to literally any type of copy protection (which is even pushing it, because you went 2 steps further than that).

Except reselling it.

>Look up an actual proper definition and do not make things up in your schizo mind.
that is literally a dictionary definition
>why and?
because those all need to happen the same day
>When Steam shits the bed, you will have a problem sooner or later anyway.
no...? I don't plan on having dual fires and a terrorist attack.
>Also: ever thought about internet going down?
my nas is on my LAN you fucking idiot. and a permanent internet ourage would kill society.
>Gone full schizo.
literally what it is. I have a couple myself.
>HEY FAGGOT, think about all these discs included.
yeah, bug games?
>Do you really think the Gog installer takes up that much space and then downloads everything from internet?
no when you download a gog installer it contains all the files and can be used offline and locally
>In reality - not where you are - those discs contain the full game.
yes ofc. the gog installer is the full game. I have like 100 of them on mt NAS.
>The only reason why there is ALSO a gog installer is for updates, which are entirely optional, dumbo
no those are additional installers. when you download an installer it contains the latest version of the game, all files. you could unplug your internet and still have the entire game with the latest update.

>I don't know what object means
Pajeet posters leave.

so you do not know what DRM is neat.
basically the files on your disc are exactly the files you can download from GoG 1:1 if you download whichever version was used for the disc. no different or special. if I burnt the disc myself it would be identical. even if yes the discs would be of a slightly lower quality and burned using a less quality method. thankfully it isn't the 90s and I don't really on DVD backups.

>muh superior emulation
News flash: this is false. The games look the best rendered in their native resolution and output on a standard definiton CRT, and they play the best with zero emulation and display lag. You will not achieve pixel perfect scaling with correct aspect ratio and even pixels on your trash LCD. As for original media solutions like Everdrives and ODEs for CD based system are available for most systems now, even the PC Engine CD-Rom/Super CD-Rom 2 and most recently the Sega CD. Ps1 has PSIO, Dreamcast has GDEmu, etc. Even if you like and collect physical media there's no reason you HAVE to play them on the original disks with limited lifespan.

fuck americans for hyping super potato up
that shop is a fucking scam for baka gaijins who are too fat to walk across to the nearby book offs to get 100 yen super famicom carts

Enjoy the upcoming streaming-only, digitalfags. You made it happen; after all, streaming is just the next step in taking away freedoms of the user.

>conflating digital with steam.
Things that never happened, schizo.
>then I guess steam sells 5. great value.
You should understand that companies never give anything away for free.
And thus the price of the games on Steam is with that shit factored in.
>My friends aren't poor so we don't do this
>But I am pretty sure there is 0 difference between you lending out a DRM free install disc and me sending my bud the installer.
Legally there is.
The former is legal, especially because it does not create additional copies.
btw. DRM discs can also be shared. It's COPY protection, it's about creating ADDITIONAL copies.
The latter is illegal.
But I already know that you are a nigger, so you don't care about laws.
>I won my games
I thought you paid for them.
You won them all?
Good for you, I guess.
>But I would never sell any of my games
You can't sell Steam shit, because you don't own it.
Now you pretend to simply "not care" about not owning them, which is simply pathetic.
Especially because just a few posts ago, you went on about wanting to "own stuff".
>so you you support DRM
Me calling you out as a schizo is not the same as supporting DRM, dumbass.

>but oprical as archival media is a terrible idea
You are talking about burning shit to DVD-R.
Again, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

>You paid for someone to burn them to a disc
Full idiot.
WHEN YOU BUY A GAME ON PHYSICAL DISC, THAT DISC WAS NOT "BURNT", YOU FUCKING MONG.

That's why my Audio CDs from ages ago still work.
If I actually burnt a CD-R back then, it surely wouldn't work anymore, because it's shitty CD-R.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.
You are literally inept about the technical stuff.

Because they're smart about things unlike Xcucks pushing their Cuck Pass shit.

>Live A Live
>Fushigi no Dungeon
>Romancing SaGa 3
>Secret of Mana
>Seiken Densetsu 3
>Star Ocean
>Ogre Battle
>Chrono Trigger
>Breath of Fire
>Breath of Fire II
>Tactics Ogre
Wow.

>so you do not know what DRM is neat.
I do not consider a console by itself to be DRM.
If you do, fine for you.
But then you would have to see a PC as DRM as well.
I also do not see CD-ROMs or DVDs or Blu-rays by themselves as a form of DRM.

CDs for example do not have copy protection at all.
The only copy protection there is will break the CD standard, which means those CDs can not really be considered CDs anymore.

user. I am tired so let's wrap it up. We both bought the witcher 3, we both got the identical files.
I paid $15 You probably paid $60.
You probably got yours 2 days later and installed it over several hours. Mine was installed within 15 minutes of my purchase. Yours is rotting away on a disc, mine is backed up as best as one can, in a multidrive array and a cold offsite backup. You could sell yours on ebay and end up still not making back the $45 and would have no game. but you won't anyway. so at the end of the day we both have the same version of the same game. mine will last longer, mine was cheaper, and mine got to me faster. but you got the dopamine high of opening shrinkwrap.

Sup. Nice game man. How's all the discs looking.

You do realize that DRM caused that, no? That's one thing not caused by digital software.

>We both bought the witcher 3
No, I'm not homosexual.
Fuck off, schizo homo.

If the Xbone still had always online DRM and didn't let you played used games, there would still be anons in here like ass burgers patients defending it. Sometimes you have to remember that.

Yes, they should feel proud of themselves.
"And it's auto-updating and shit, so it's all fine"

How well these streaming services will work.
No local updating, it will all be done server-side.
"So comfy, yeah, streaming is not a problem at all".

when user takes pictures he burns them to a CD and mails them to his mom or else she wouldn't own them.

They were all still using flip phones until like a year ago

>There's a store i went to about an hour outside of tokyo and they had a sign in Japanese that had pokemon earthbound, and sailor moon shit behind glass with a sign in japanese saying "GAIJIN PRICES" but if you could actually read or speak Japanese he sold it to you for the real prices (usually under 1000 yen)
Wouldn't surprise me if it's true and I really hope it is. EOPs deserve that blow to their wallet.

The PS4 literally has that.
It's always online DRM as soon as the console is not the primary one for the account.
It will literally throw you out of games when internet goes down for a few minutes.

BUT PEOPLE DO NOT EVEN NOTICE.

Sony figured that shit out back then.
Do not tell schizos what you are doing.
They won't notice a thing.

>why would anyone own a PS4

Almost at 100 million units sold, btw. Stay salt infused :)

Your stupid.

>n..n..n..no I don't actually have the witcher, it was the only example of a physical game I could think of that was close as good as digital
nice

Tell me how it's possible to have streaming in physical media. Digitalfags enabled it, because conveniences and low prices, things Stadia promises too.

>Whatever millions people are doing can't be bad.
>btw. I really love these Transformers movies.
>I also really love McDonalds food.
>I'm also a fat slob, just like millions of other people.
>Healthy people stay salty.
>:)

This is true but not an issue if you just keep switching the ps4 you're currently using to the primary console. It only becomes an issue if you brought several ps4s to a place without internet connection and want many people to play digitally downloaded games at the same time.

t. homosexual

No, I won't fuck you, because I think homosexuals should all be gassed.

how do you feel about paid online?

>le me buy physical copies
>copy software and help it get pirated
>put back physicals in a case for display while you bring your console around with only the games in it

>not an issue
>except my butt hurts after a while
>but it's fine. I love Sony.
>They can fuck me as hard as they like.

>comparing gachas to the constant western effort of making every genre some sort of service

Akihabara is for retarded westerners, everything there is overpriced
I saw tons of Germans, my hotel was all Germans
They were really loud and annoying
Book off is the best store you can go to, I bought around 90 games there for $1,000. and all my games are CIB no loose carts

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>I bought around 90 games there for $1,000. and all my games are CIB no loose carts
いいね

OK it's shitty DRM but that's nothing new, every platform has it now. The Switch is the same story, you can share digital games but only play on the secondary console with an active internet connection and not at the same time while you pla the same game on the primary system. I mean in the case of ps4 it's not an issue in practice that will matter outside of the scenario I just described.

COPE.

>streaming is not an issue if your internet connection does not suck
>poor people am I right?
>can't afford proper internet?
>streaming is modern gaming
>How would you play Uncharted 8 anyway?
>Sony said that rendering that on the machine itself would make it really expensive
>Like $1000
>So it's all fine.

>Continually go into threads and repeat the same argument that has been BTFO'd countless times in EVERY single thread
>Complain about doing it
At this point, you're either autistic or a REALLY dedicated troll.

actually user I thought of one more genuine question. I actually own two copies of Fallout. one physical one digital (I know, that counts as only owning one)
now the physical one has the entire game, all the files on a disc, and can be installed entirely offline as long as you have a program called "steam" installed and an account activated. I have tried it it works. it does use steamworks DRM.
Now the other one is digital. I got it from this store called "good old games" now I had to initially download the installer from their website. ( I know, internet is not common, moet people don't have it and it could go down forever any day) No I have that installer on a 5 disk redundant array as well as a offsite backup. And it is 100% DRM free to install and requires no internet. Which one do I own again and why? the former cause you would be more comfortable with me selling the fallout anthology on ebay right?

This. Also idiot OP pretends physical sales dont provide the most revenue EVERYWHERE. Digital is such a zoomer meme

>every platform has it now
>so there is no alternative
>i need new games
>yeah, new games are most of the time ports of old games
>but I need 4k
>also new trophies, and achievements and shit

I wonder what would have happened if most of the population weren't cucks.

I ordered a Saturn, several controllers, 4 in 1 Replay, 45 original games complete (sometimes without the spine card but otherwise complete) from Japanese Amazon for a grand total of $400 with local shipping included. Shipped it to a friend who brought it with him when he travelled home. And no I bought no shovelware whatsoever. This isn't even the best deals you can get like on Yahoo Auctions or shopping around in the sticks.

>fallout anthology
Not him; fuck Bethesda for making those expensive paperweights.

My PS4 isn't even connected to the internet. Maybe I never noticed because everything just Works on My Machine

>I know, that counts as only owning one
Actually that counts as two.
>Fallout
Has no DRM, moron.

>has no friends
>does not share
>does not buy digital
>thinks the previous post was about me

Yeah, games are really cheap there. CIB games for ¥500? What a steal
But besides that and another stack of Famicom games and a few Mega Drive and Game Boy games I mostly bought Saturn and PS1 games, those are cheap literally a toonie for a game like Tekken
If you look you can find a lot, but I only stayed for 2 weeks so I had to take what I could find. The countryside is the best place for games, literal shelves full of boxed Famicom games
Tokyo was a wasteland for games I saw tons of white people buying piles of loose carts, sitting on the floor sorting through the bins blocking the walkway

Fallout Anthology has all of the discs tied to Steam. The original release it is DRM-free, but not that one.

steam version had steamworks I thought no?
>counts as two.
no user, according to him digital does not count.
they were affordable tho desu. reasonable anyway. Might have gotten it on sale I don't remember.

This wasn't about streaming at all. I hate streaming and DRM just as much as you but I do have internet and I do like to play games. You can call me a cuck all you want but boycotting this and missing out on games I want to play is not a solution. If it gets too bad in the future I could pirate ps4 and switch games too, it's not like the option doesn't exist but it's inconvenient. I also want to support at least some my favourite devs by paying for their games, imagine how cucked that is.

Because they have taste

ignore them user. shitposters get upset for the sake of it. it is also why publishers find it so easy to ignore people. they know we aren't just gonna not play videogames. so as long as taking an inch gets as much hate as taking a mile they will go for the mile.
>shonnen nigguhs
>weebs
dragonball and Naruto do not make you a weeb.

This isn't the case, you just assume they're hood because they're black.

>according to him digital does not count.
Actually owning 1 copy
Purchased 2 copies
Correct.

>I hate streaming
You will find an excuse when the time comes.
i'm sure of it.
Cuck.
>missing out on games I want to play
Streaming is coming.
You will defend it.
"But I hate streaming"
Cuck.

both physical and digital games are the same now in the way that you MUST download the whole game onto your drive either via disc or internet. the files are the same and even interchangeable between physical and digital.
the ONLY difference is that the physical copy's actual physical disc acts as a sort of physical license. the game is downloaded into my drive and the files are the same and even interchangeable, but then i would have to pop in the disc each time to play the game instead of just pushing on the digital copy's icon

don't even get me started with cases and game manuals. i still have a lot from generations and generations ago, but the reason why i collected them were because they were actually cool. they had manuals full of official art, lore, character bios, and some even had comics of the game and its characters. today's are shit. it's just a shitty, generic cover with a piece of paper inside. a refined person, i think, wouldn't even bother with such trash, to be honest

cool so I own the anthology, but not the GoG version?

I understand that some people would like it, but physical with account-based DRM is absolute cancer in my book, even worse than digital with DRM. It's a waste of plastic.

>download the whole game
>either via disc
???
>download via disc
???

Ok say the following happens hypothetically
>Steam bans your account
That's all your games on Steam GONE. You can make a new account but now you need to give the jew more money to re-buy all your games.
>Sony bans your PS4 since it was chipped or something
You go out and buy a new(see. Used) system. Make a new account. ALL of your physical games still work.

>>shonnen nigguhs
>>weebs
>dragonball and Naruto do not make you a weeb.
yeah it's weird how weeb means fucking nothing anymore
I blame e-celebs.

>So I own anthology
reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/3p9527/install_fallout_anthology_without_steam/
>Nope. You get one key and it's for steam and it includes all the games you don't even need the disks...
No.

Nice try, faggot.

pretty much this. I buy physical because I am a consumerist whore after the novelty of opening up a LE and putting it on my shelf. other than that I go digital. they are basically the same. the only difference is console gamestores I am hesitant to trust, but they are hacked to shit by the time the store dies anyway. it also isn't some jewish conspiracy or plot to kill physical. it is just tech limations of optical discs.

nah senpai, the best store you can go to is online
I got most of my rare yet cheap shit off yahoo auctions, altho quality may be compromised

no nigger my original comments weren't about streaming at all. Streaming is where I draw the line, I'm not interested in that shit. Google Stadia is a fucking joke and I wan't no part in it. In fact I'm primarily a physicalfag like you and I own over 20 retro consoles and play either original games or everdrives on them. If streaming takes over I'll have more than enough to catch up on in my backlog. What I don't mind is services that offer good value and
locally rendered games, like Game Pass, because I don't need to own every game I want to try out. The games I do want to own I buy physical.

What's wrong with physical copies?

>Streaming is where I draw the line
bla bla bla bla
>missing out on games I want to play
Cuck.

>Streaming is where I draw the line, I'm not interested in that shit. Google Stadia is a fucking joke and I wan't no part in it.

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Brainwashed modern gamers.

What's the address for online?
Oh you're talking about shopping on the internet? That's not a fucking store you moron

> you don't even need the disks...
irrelevant, I have the physical disks that have the entire games on them, that I bought licensed retail. I can even install it offline. this was not a drm discussion. I was told physical is better and means ownership. and that digital was worse and you don't own it. I want you to stand by what you said. I own it physically so I own it. unlike my inferior digital drm free copy allegedly. I know you are an idiot but at least stick to your guns.
>Nice try, faggot.
what do you mean? i bought it physically because having a copy backed up that I could do whatever the hell I wanted with, that had no DRM and could not be taken from me was not ownership. Now I own it. I can even sell it without destroying your moral compass? are you not proud. surely you would do the same in your great praise for physical! surely you didn't just confuse DRM with distribution method did you?

honestly optical media is a huge bottleneck. physical and digital could coexist which would be great. but we need to replace discs somehow then. Swirch carts are okay for what they are. But fuck Nintendo pricing.

There's not a single streaming exclusive game out yet. Next gen consoles will have physical media, so I can still buy physical media. Game streaming isn't even viable for most of the US and won't be for several years. I don't see a reason to worry about how things will be 10 years from now and I sure as hell won't support game streaming so that shit isn't on me if it starts to dominate.

>but we need to replace discs somehow then.
Nah, Blu-rays are fine. Specially that one that last 1000 years more or less.

>I can even install it offline.
It comes with a CD key, which you have to register in Steam, which is then connected to a specific account.
Without that you can't play the games, even including Fallout 1+2.
You literally can't use it without ever going online.
You are either lying or a retard.

*that you can also get for a lot cheaper
some digital games are still almost full priced it's absurd or they just wait to abuse sales

How can one post be so insufferable?

>I sure as hell won't support game streaming so that shit isn't on me if it starts to dominate.
It's just the evolution of digital, fella. Why are you so backwards?

You own ZERO copies.

Buy at x price, binge the game, then sell it at x - slightly used price = almost rent it, so legal.

Digital only fuck with this system.

>It comes with a CD key, which you have to register in Steam, which is then connected to a specific account.
yes, like before steam even games had CD keys. I remember it fondly the great physical years of securom!
>Without that you can't play the games, even including Fallout 1+2.
oh wow, Id say DRM sucks but at least it is physical unlike evil GoG?
>You literally can't use it without ever going online.
you can.
>You are either lying or a retard.
what, are you moving goalposts here? first physical=ownership and digital=getting jewed
now you are blathing about DRM? are you changing your original argument?
oh okay, cause I was talking to some user who said ownership is based on physical retail prints that you can resell. that is why I got confused. now I know ownership can't exist it like this is some commie thread.

A digital copy that is pirateable and archiveable is something I can keep in one way or another, but games locked to streaming services will never be retrievable that way. That's why it's much more cancerous than any DRM out now because that DRM can be circumvented.

>Buy at x price, binge the game, then sell it at x - slightly used price = almost rent it, so legal.
or just buy it on sale for $5. and keep it forever.

Excuse me, dumbass?

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normalfags favoring cinematic single player games and physical copies are a meme now. people who actually care about games go digital and or/pirate

>physical retail prints that you can resell.
Not him; you know you can't resell it, as is tied to a Steam account.

It is not physical media's fault that day one patches exist. That is 100% the fault of devs's incompetence /consumers buying it regardless and not the format.

check ebay listings. people don't care. also could just not activate it.

>CD keys
There are CD keys that were simply checked by the offline installer, which are totally fine.
And that was almost all of them.

CD keys that need to connect to some faggot kike company are not, because that's like buying a game digitally.

Physical disc release = can you sell it used and will the new owner be able to use it without ever connecting to the internet in some way or another == congrats, you are a man and not some sub-human cuck

Digital kike release = anything else besides above

>normalfags favoring cinematic single player games and physical copies are a meme now.

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Well, yes, but on the other hand, do games really need to be 50GB big? I mean, is there any particular advantage to it? Other than graphical quality, I honestly fail to see how the best current gen games are any better than 6th gen games

>who said ownership is based on physical retail prints that you can resell.
Can you resell that kike copy?
Well in a way yes, but then the buyer will complain about it and will get the money back, because he can't use it.

So Fallout Anthology is not an actual physical retail copy of the game.
It's just a digital kike release LARPing as a physical retail copy.

>people are retards
Imagine my shock.

i thought it was only outside of Yea Forums, but it's been like this on Yea Forums as well for years now. i suspect you even know exactly what i'm taking about, but are playing dumb because you see it in yourself ;)

I actually disagree. only because it is purely the most mentally ill Yea Forumsirgins that think streaming will actually replace local rendering. There are tonnes of games that are only distributed using DRM either cause a console requires it, or because it is to stop piracy. But realistically at most like one or two tech demos will ever be "steaming exclusive"

>How's all the discs looking.

They're thankful my friends never had sega saturns, so no one ever borrowed and scratched up my Saturn games. Unfortunately I was a stupid kid and lent too many of my PS1/PS2 games to friends. Many came back scratched up, and I didn't learn my lesson until one even came back with a cup/drink stain on top, like it was used as a coaster. (it was Devil May Cry 1)

I'd have been so pissed with myself if someone like this got totaled because I was too nice in the past.

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FEAR + COPE

well user guess what I did when I went to that store HAHAHAHA

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goalpost moce.
>Can you resell that kike copy?
yes.
>Well in a way yes, but then the buyer will complain about it and will get the money back, because he can't use it.
why I will be honest or just not activate it.
>So Fallout Anthology is not an actual physical retail copy of the game.
to clarify. A official licensed pressing of all the game files on a disc sold at retail is not physical? well maybe i don't understand physics but I think you are moving goalposts to make your incredibly stupid argument look less BTFO
>It's just a digital kike release LARPing as a physical retail copy.
m..m..m..uh jews!

>literally disconnect console from internet
>insert brand new physical game
>it just works
practically useless if all you play are AAA western service games

>digitalfag pretends to care about ownership
Yeah, sure.

how are you fags posting on Yea Forums if you don't have internet? a fucking library?

go play HAWX.

>goalpost moce.
It's not a goalpost move, a physical copy that requires to be linked to an account is just litter.

If streaming games remain unexclusive I honestly don't give a shit because I'll get the locally rendered version anyway. DRM for locally rendered games are a nuisance but they are always circumventable, so no matter what they will be retrievable in some form in the future. I can enjoy PC-98 games on an emuator or put them on original hardware with an Everdrive-like solution to this day, and those options will continue to exist. I'm perfectly fine with that and not owning original physical copies of all games ever made.

>physical is better and is ownership. except that one.
pretty much me yeah

I'm not even a digitalfag primarily, at least not on consoles, but on PC you basically have no other option but to get a digital version, including pirated games. I could opt out of playing PC entirely but guess what, fuck that you double nigger retard.

>I didn't use my copy
So you are selling a new copy, like selling an unused Steam key?
>So I can sell it with the unique CD key that is activated online
So you are selling a new copy, like selling an unused Steam key?
>I'm so clever
No, you are not.
You are a stupid faggot.
On the same level as a kike.
>of all the game files on a disc
Unusable without internet, locked to 1 internet account, not resellable. Works literally like a Steam key and thus is a Steam key.
>moving goalposts
Kike trickery like that didn't exist when gaming was actually good.
Fuck off.

In Japan, video games are still considered a serious hobby, and as such, people still preserve the tools of the trade like you would some limited edition old model or something. It's not like America or Europe where the people are literally brainwashed into thinking that having no fun at all makes you an adult or somehow more reasonable than someone who actually has something to do when they get home besides wallow in their own pathetic life.

>If streaming games remain unexclusive I honestly don't give a shit

>Be Steam Gabe
>Hear this
>How do we get these fucking customer cucks to pay for streaming?
>The same way we made them support online DRM.
>Release Half-Life 3.
>Streaming only.

This was a good pro physical copy thread. Fuck paying for digital

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Thanks based Gabe Newell for killing for good the physicalfags and that pesky second hand market. Long live to digital distribution.

>So you are selling a new copy, like selling an unused Steam key?
does it matter. it is a physical disc I can legally sell ( i mean I can legally sell any disc, but it isn't copyright infringement)
this meets youe definition of ownership and it is objectively a physical copy
>activated online
nope
>No, you are not.
okay, so it clarify. no computer game that evwr came out with a cd key( a very rare unheard of thing before your enemy valve came up) is not Infact a physical version, and you do not own.

>Unusable without internet,
false and a goalpost move. you need to log into steam once on the computer. you also need internet to get drivers and windows so hardly relevant.
>locked to 1 internet account
goalpost move
>not resellable.
false. check ebay
>Works literally like a Steam key and thus is a Steam key.
nope is all the physical files on a physical disc I can legally resell. you assure ld me this was ownership and what you were arguing for. I even clarified I was against DRM and said you confused DRM/DRM free with physical vs digital and you assured me you didn't and your entire argument was against digital distribution and told me to find a post of you saying otherwise.
>Kike trickery like that didn't exist when gaming was actually good.
fuck off back to >>/vr/ and shitpost your nostalgia for securerom faggit.

Until this actually happens, if it even does, you don't have a point. Copy protection and DRM has always existed in one form or another, if only as codes in manuals in DOS games for example, but those have all been circumvented. Being a doomer and expecting the worst outcome doesn't make you right.

this fuck GameStop and try to rent seek by trying to resell games over selling new copies. and fuck losers who treat games as a disposable add tool for 5 minutes of cheap entertainment. I bet everybody crying about reselling does it cause they buy the latest cod and fifa every year and need their $2 back when they get bored in a week

The Digital Distribution Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the gaming race.