What the fuck was with the ending...

I got over TPP, but I didn't get over FOB and Konami making Survive instead of expanding upon it.
Imagine MGS5: FOB MMO edition, where everything is community driven.
>Evil 4chin empire just gathering players and mass-producing nuclear bombs to literally wipe out the entire playerbase at once butting heads with Reddit pacifist cucks invading everyone around the clock to disarm the nukes.
>Ability to either focus on base building, training a NPC/raid circle, providing protection or mercenary strike force for payment/resources.
>Ability to visit friendly FOBs, joining clans, forming alliances, or coordinated raiding to steal resources, destroy the base like in Ground Zeroes or to occupy the base for yourself
>Ability to form defences if you expect an attack
>This leads to META discords forming with guard duties and alarming eachother
>How the fuck did they know about our raid? Do we have a spy on our channel?
>Fuckton of cosmetics and other gay shit so Konami doesn't shut it down in 2 months.
It could have been the Operator GOAT.

And it would fit into the whole game war economy/nukes philosophy, and would make an interesting experiment to see what would happen. Especially if they went all out and yes, if everyone was armed with nukes, you could basically wipe eachother out. Or maybe deterence would be enough?
>Hiring the elite nuke thief clans to avert nuclear crisis
>Gathering EVERYONE to just fucking wipe the enemy FOB.
>Being caught would reveal your location and your alliances, which could result in a chain reaction of revenge.
Fucking kino, and it's all lost.

Yes and we saw his real "descent" in Snake Eater and Peace Walker. What really was he doing differently in MG1 than he was at the end of Peace Walker? The answer is not much. MGSV takes the final step from him being an extremist into him being an extremist that's also a hypocrite who manipulates and uses one of his own soldiers (aka the player) in a way not dissimilar to the USA using the Boss. He gives the player a speech that is exactly the opposite in message to Snake's in MGS2 and you see the extent of the parasitic empty bullshit that is the legend of Big Boss.

People like you wanted some saturday morning cartoon youngling killing revenge of the sith tier shit that would have just been awful and comical.

>You wouldn't care if you were playing your favorite series or watching your favorite mover series only to find out the main character wasn't really the main character?

I didn't care in MGS2 because it better served the story, so no.

>I'm not sure what games you like but I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't bother you

Because I'm not some brainlet monkey who enjoys the game only through knowing that this near-identical version of the main character is the REAL one and not a clone or copy, and if he isn't it completely throws me off.

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A way to clear big boss of being a villain, trying to make people less sympathetic to huey since he was a good dude who got written into a pool because his Chad son could actually thrust his magnum cock into his step mom, and to give a reason Zeke wasn't around in the beginning of the first mg.

You're entitled to your opinion but I could not disagree more.

Sure it was - parts of what was cut were still on the disc
youtube.com/watch?v=HJaUGVfqGDc

It even retconned a shitton of stuff
>Big Boss rescued Gray Fox from being a child soldier IN THE 80'S IN AFRICA

perfect opportunity eh?
nah fuck that, here have these fucking retarded parasites and young Liquid who's plot goes nowhere

Not him but Kingdom of the Flies wasn't Chapter 3, it was just around 5 missions on an island.
And yes, if it was included I'd probably put MGSV on the same level as PW, maybe even higher.

That one mission was the only thing cut though because Konami was worried about BiBo killing children.
That was the end of Act 2, there was never an act 3

I also love how Quiet's theme was used in the trailers for moments such as "Big Boss's descent to being a bad guy" and Kaz's speech about losing his comrades and succumbing to revenge

In the game it's used for when Venom and Quiet jump around in the rain and hug

pleb filtered

>What really was he doing differently in MG1 than he was at the end of Peace Walker?
In Peace Walk he's just making a home for soilders. In MG1 he's purposely creating war and conflict.

I feel like the only people that cared about not playing about Big Boss are the same people that get salty over Spec Ops: The Line
>hurp durp it told me I'm a bad guy

Kojima was trying to say that under the right circunstances, anybody could be Big Boss, at the end of the day, its just a title.

It is kind of what Star Wars episode 7 and 8 tried to do with Rey and the Jedi's but failed completly because the execution was a hot steaming pile of shit

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Quiet was trash and trailers are misleading and the best part of the game, yes.

If you didn't clue into the fact that Kojima does not give a single rat's ass what you personally want and never has then it's on you for being retarded.

if the game just ended on chapter 1 would people like it more? 2 seems almost pointless and made it feel unfinished

I don't care about that tweeeeest. BB was already despicable making the player doing all the dirty work.

What I'm angry about is how skullface was handled throughout the game, specially that speech.
I still enjoyed the game wholly.

this. every mgs sequel boils down to "stop worshipping snake goddamit" and people dont get it.

>Kojima was trying to say that under the right circunstances, anybody could be Big Boss, at the end of the day, its just a title.
>implying thats why people don't like it

>Gets all pissy and leaves the US to form MSF because Zero created clones of him
>It's 100% fine with turning one of his soldiers into a doppelganger of himsef
Fucking retarded writing for retarded people

The ending about how the player realizes that he is neither a demon nor an angel (similar to how Outer Heaven is past heaven and hell) but rather Big Boss, and that it doesn't matter what he or she does, as long as he or she is fulfilling Big Boss' legacy, as Big Boss.

There. That's it. That's the whole point of the ending. That's why there are two Big Bosses in the room after Big Boss (the player) punches the reflection of his demon. Big Boss is going to do his shit as Big Boss and Big Boss (the player) is going to do his or her shit as Big Boss.

What, you were expecting a story? Sorry pal, MGSV is not the game for that. If you wanted a Big Boss game with an actual story worth his character, play Snake Eater. You do not need anything else to explain why he became evil.

That is what OP is complaining about thou LOL

>stop worshipping snake
Pretty dumb thing to say when after being a villain he got at least half the series dedicated to how much of a hero he was

Solidus > Octopus > Grey Fox > Medic

He's turning YOU into a doppelganger of himself, for a good reason.
Reminder that the phantom is not it's own character. It's your character.

>Author Hitori Nojima, citing an email from Kojima, explained that the player brings the story full circle in their own way, with the role of Venom Snake making the story truly theirs, and not necessarily restricted to the fate of Big Boss in the early games. Kojima and the player creating the story together "is something traditional movies and books could not do."
>TL;DR you can do what you want, canon doesn't matter, every decision you make out of every single one that is possible in the game is canon.

Like your Metal Gear Choose Your Own Adventure?

except that he isn't

>MGSV takes the final step from him being an extremist into him being an extremist that's also a hypocrite who manipulates and uses one of his own soldiers (aka the player) in a way not dissimilar to the USA using the Boss.
The game did not imply any of this and you are a fool for assuming that it has any sort of story, with the characters actually doing anything worthy of adding on to their personality.

>for a good reason.
lol

Everything was misleading. They implied Venom kills kids, but he's really only pretending. They implied all sorts of shit with the Act 2 trailer that plays after you beat Sahelanthropus that was also all mundane in practice.

>Hey buddy! You're Big Boss! Here's a gold star!
Wow nice writing.

Well, the two Big Bosses was also to close a plothole from the original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2. V just finally outright told you it was a body double (Venom) who died in MG1 while the real BB ran off to Zanzibarland and started the plot for MG2.

>guys explains what happened
>"nuh uh it didn't play to my fantasies so it's wrong!"

Honestly that's not a good reason because it really fucks with character development and plot. None of the other characters can do anything meaningful since they cant interact with him while Venom just stands around and watches the plot happen on occasion.

How did Big Boss survive Zanzibar?

Who else here considers MGSV non-canon? It's a spinoff like Ac!d to me.

Give up. Big Boss didn't become the bad guy and Kojima did not intentionally want to make Big Boss the bad guy in this game. Big Boss was nice, selfless and generous in giving you the role of Big Boss and you're all still flinging shit about it, saying bullshit like "THIS WILL SURELY MAKE BIG BOSS THE BAD GUY, HE MANIPULATED ONE OF HIS MEN!!!!!!!! EVIL BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!" because you're still expecting a story and a game about something when it's actually a story and a game about nothing.

Metal Gear Solid V was released 3 and 3/4 years ago, when are you going to move on?

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No one because its stated as canon.

>it really fucks with character development and plot
Kojima has not given a single fuck about character development and plot since the first Metal Gear Solid, why are you wanting something that the game has never presented?

>What's the game about, George?
>Get this Jerry: Nothing
>What?
>It's a game about nothing Jerry!

Nanomachines, son. No, seriously, they stuck him in a freezer filled with nanomachines to repair his body while he was comatose. That was the official explanation.

Did Caramel an hero?

Yeah, about that, how did everyone that worshipped Big Boss end like?
Oh that's right, Mother Base destroyed, Zanzibar Land ruined, Solidus got wrecked by Raiden, everyone that learned CQC because big boss did it and it was cool shit got their asses handed by Solid Snake.
The only one who acomplished his goals was Ocelot, funny to think that he was the only real friend Big Boss had, and understood that he was just a human that went trought a lot of shit.

The reason is so that Kojima can make you Big Boss, while being worry free of whatever you do because none of your actions matter one single bit to the Metal Gear canon!

You can fuck Quiet and nothing in the Metal Gear canon will be impacted. No one in Metal Gear will give a single shit either.

Nah it's not canon. It's like Portable Ops. It's not canon but only retarded autists who liked it screech about it being canon

Because the spectacle of all the stuff that plays out in the games was always what drew fans in.
Meanwhile in this game nobody can do anything fun because it might mess with the player's perception of Venom Snake's personality.

Not everyone plays a game the second it's released

Canonically, the Patriots and nanomachines.

MGSV is the Phantom to Peace Walker. PW is an actual MGS game with a story that actually matter. TPP is the inverse.

You can't even fuck Quiet though. Because that might mess with the perception of some of the players that might not like her.
You can only make loving eye contact with her while playing in the rain so that the game can be coy and imply a relationship between her and Venom but not actually own up to it or openly admit it so as to not hurt any feelings.

Portable ops is non canon because kojima said it isn't. Only some parts are though because that's where some of the actually important points come from.

>I still think that Metal Gear Solid V actually matters!
>Anyone who doesn't take anything at face value is obviously wrong because what they're saying are not playing to my fantasies!
It's useless to argue at this point, Kojimbo's not going to come back. The body double is a miserable pile of nothing that you can do whatever with, it's not a device for any sort of plot other making up your own and explaining why Big Boss survived Metal Gear 1 as an afterthought.

the story still wouldve sucked ass if the footage we got of chapter 3 was all there was. it just added more stuff and still didnt feel like a proper ending. the only question it answered was what happened to sahelanthropous.

No, it drives the point home that Big Boss had been an asshole for a long time.
In Peace Walker we already saw him build a Metal Gear, steal a nuke even though the entire point of the game is that nuclear deterrence is a farce, and that he had no problem with being considered a terrorist.

In MGSV he commited the biggest betrayal against The Boss, which was doing to another loyal soldier what the US government did to The Boss.
Not to mention how he seemingly had no problem with using an entire hospital worth of civilians as human shields.

What's even more funny is that MGS2's message was "stop caring so much about the shitty lore and pay more attention to the message", and even after people call MGS2 a "masterpiece" people still do nothing but that.

>what was with the ending
It was too kino for most MGS plebs to understand.

If you don't think V matters than neither does any other MGS game. 2 doesn't matter because you're not playing as Snake. 3 doesn't matter because you're not really playing as Big Boss, just a xerox'd mentally retarded copy of Snake in the Cold War. 4 doesn't matter because the game makes a deliberate point of taking a wet greasy shit on everything that came before it. PW doesn't matter because you're just playing Snake fucking around in Central America against Stupid Nameman because he can't get over his momfu. Literally no game has even tried to live up to fan expectations because that's not what the series is about. Every single game since the first MGS can be completely dismissed for the exact same reasons that you're dismissing V. At this point it's simply a case of you being too braindead to recognize what Kojima has done since then, constantly, without fail.

Reminder that Medic had your Avatar face the entire game. He only saw himself as Big Boss through hypno therapy

Wasn't that one of points of MGS2t as well.

>when are you going to move on?
I will move on from Metal Gear if DS is deemed shit by Yea Forums and the whole web, which will further prove Kojima as the hack fraud he really could possible be.

Tbh the BB story should had ended with Portal Ops or Snake Eater. Peace Walker and V didn't really bring any new material to the story and only raised the question:
>why the fuck were big boss's metal gears and metal gear rex so much inferior to the ones built during 70s and 80s?

>headcanon: the game
I hate Kojima.

I wish I had a friend like Kaz.

You're singling out V for that when it was made clear as day that Sahelanthropus was a complete failure that was only barely functional thanks to the combined efforts of a child soldier clone of Big Boss and an actual fucking super psychokinetic?

I loved this game but damn did it fuck with my head

>why the fuck were big boss's metal gears and metal gear rex so much inferior to the ones built during 70s and 80s?
Because the entire series is an unplanned mess. Every new game retcons the absolute shit out of everything that came before it.

>make the dumbest, most simple story ever
>MGSfags still are incapable of understanding it
I swear, you put the average MGS fan to play the campaign of a Call of Duty game and he wouldn't be able to understand it.

Like this guy what the fuck?

I liked the part where I interrogated the guy to find out where the hostage was, and then fultoned them. Then I liked the bit after that where I fultoned whatever the objective was. Remember that mission?

Except that V actually doesn't matter because you're supposed to make up your own story. It's entirely a creative psuedo spin off.

>2 doesn't matter because you're not playing as Snake.
Except that it does because it still adds on to Solid Snake's character, while introducing new characters who actually matter to the canon.
Also, you play as Solid Snake during the Tanker chapter.
>3 doesn't matter because you're not really playing as Big Boss, just a xerox'd mentally retarded copy of Solid Snake in the Cold War.
It's still Big Boss, who Kojima, to make fans familiarize with him, basically wrote as "an evil version of Solid Snake".
>4 doesn't matter because the game makes a deliberate point of taking a wet greasy shit on everything that came before it
Except that it does because it got an end even though it didn't deserve one.
>PW doesn't matter because you're just playing Big Boss fucking around in Central America against Stupid Nameman because he can't get over his momfu
Except that it does, especially when Big Boss actually did "get over his momfu" after he threw away The Boss' bandana.

>operator game
>wtf why am i doing operator shit?

are you going to complain about shooting guns the whole game next?

Because they are older games you fucking retard

What I liked about Halo is the part where I shoot stuff and go to the next cutscene, you remember that level?

V not mattering is part of its themes.
For fuck's sake, we've known since the first trailer that it's a story about "A Phantom Battle Waged by the Vanished". It's a story about the people Zero and BB used to build their legends and power.

I for one really liked interrogating a guard to find out where the guy I was supposed to fulton was, and then I fultoned everyone anyway. Really fun inventive mission design

>why the fuck were big boss's metal gears and metal gear rex so much inferior to the ones built during 70s and 80s?
Because Metal Gear REX was designed to be mass produced.
Sahelanthropus requiered the funding of the entire Soviet Union, and even then it didn't work, Huey had no clear idea of how to do it. It worked literally because of magic, because Psycho Mantis was controlling.

>You play as a template for a main character based off of Big Boss. Go do something with it, make up your own main character even.
>The story is a template. Go do something with it, make up your own story even.
I agree, V indeed has the dumbest, most simple story ever. Everyone who can't understand this is a faggot.

You're going to get dogpiled by brainlets, but MGSV has terrible mission design all around. Fulton worked for a portable game. Not for this. It ruins the entire experience.

That was right after the mission where you fultoned that guy right? You know, just before that one where you fultoned that guy.

>not for this
It's a direct sequel to Peace Walker so it's kind of a necessity. How would you even recruit people?

>Except that V actually doesn't matter because you're supposed to make up your own story. It's entirely a creative psuedo spin off.
How the fuck can you be this dense and still have the cognitive ability required to post on an imageboard. V has its own story. The story the player makes is based on the player's own actions within the missions. It's the exact same as every other game. The player can make their own story in 3 based on how many people they kill, for example.

Not this fucking shitty comic again.

Oh man, just remembered how this shitfest would have NPCs that locked off entire important research branches in irrelevant corners of the map you never have to actually visit in random missions.

I personally think the fulton system worked well, I just hoped the person/animal being fultoned made more noise.

>It's a story about the people Zero and BB used to build their legends and power.
I interpret that as "the player, who will be forgotten due to being in a grey area in the canon where nothing he/she does matters can only be remembered by remembering Big Boss and engaging in the battles to fulfill the legend of Big Boss." Are you agreeing with me?

Well the simple answer would be to get rid of that stupid bullshit because the entire FOB and R&D/upgrade system is a detriment to the actual game and only exists so Konami can hop on the microtransaction train. But aside from that, you can have the game recruit soldiers in different ways, such as simply putting them on a helicopter, doing a deployment mission specifically to recruit people, or simply have them join after the mission automatically. Oh wait, the game already does all of those things, which means fultoning is unnecessary.

Survive is a better and more enjoyable game then TPP. I would also bet that Survive was the next spin off kojima wanted to make for years. You can literally see its gameplay elements transferred and reused in Death Stranding. Kojima is as hack. The biggest one there ever was.

Wew lad, just remembered this shitfest would actually make you wait literal IRL hours to unlock things.

Important?
Literally nothing in research is important beyond the fulton upgrade.

>Full brig
>Make new MB Strut
>Have to wait 1:45Hrs of in game time.

Then why do Kojima fanboys tell me I'm playing the game wrong by sneaking around and tranquing everyone with a silenced gun?
>have to force yourself to use less efficient methods to make the game fun
Can't make this shit up

Survive is a game that takes the aspects that make MGSV a terrible videogame, and makes an entire game out of them.
I do not want to grind in an MGS game, I do not want an open world, I do not want to build bases, I do not want to manage my stamina.
Only thing Survive does is make MGSV, full the map with fog and make absolutely everything a grindfest.
Hell, you can't even sprint because that depletes your thirst meter.

POST YOUR FAVORITE MGS MEMES, I'LL START WITH
*smokes cigar*
WOAH HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

'MGSV is a good game'

Here comes the Konami shill with his terrible game.

Well, in a way you are the first clone.

It's jarring because real Big Boss never shuts up he goes on longwinded rants about 1911 pistols and cardboard boxes while Venom is a mute autist

>I do not want to grind in an MGS game, I do not want an open world, I do not want to build bases, I do not want to manage my stamina.
So don't play the game.
>if game isn't made to suit my taste it's bad

>The story the player makes is based on the player's own actions within the missions.
Yes, but
>V has its own story.
It has the building blocks for one but nothing else.

Also, read the stuff about Kojima's email one more time because I am not arsed to further discuss your stupidity. Here, let me cite the words from that matter because I'm sure that you're very close to ignoring my post at this point, because forcing you to skim over a quote for important information, according to everyone I have seen on Yea Forums, is surely enough to bring you to the point of maximum ignorance.
>explained that the player brings the story full circle in their own way, with the role of Venom Snake making the story truly theirs

Just remembered this was a Metal Gear Solid game with forgettable characters and a story told almost exclusively through optional audio logs.

Weren't Zeke and peacewalker meant to be mass produced as well?

>hey, what if we took MGSV but made every single soldier a dumb zombie and gated literally EVERYTHING behind a meter that you need to farm in order to keep it filled
No thanks.

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You are big boss, if you are whining that you are not the real bb then you are a little pussy ass nigga faggot that does not deserve the title of big boss. Venom snake embraces it in the end and essentially is big boss and fools the entire world. Bb literally allows you to be him, and you cry that you are not actually him, what kind od gayboy are you op? Next time you play the game you be big boss and make him proud faggot.

It's not a meme if it's true. V is great.
Almost like it's not the same person and Venom is a mentally ill soldier.

it's actually in mgs portable OPS

>Venom is a mute autist
Because he's the player. You're supposed to fill in for him. Venom Snake is not his own character but the player's for fuck's sake.

After key elements from konami left, Kojima was left alone with his writing and boy, since MGS4 the writing for the games sucked balls.

Anyway, the game works only for the gamplay, the rest is utter bullshit.

It's fucking retarded and you will never be able to piece the entire story of the game together to make sense because it doesn't and I am afraid it's not even supposed to but that doesn't make it good or satisfying, it's just shit

Why not? If it makes sense why not? Your lack of imagination is autistic.

No they weren't.
Zeke was meant to be MSF's deterrent, it's defense against everyone.
Sahelanthropus wasn't even meant to be used, it was meant to make everyone shit itself at the idea of this big robot that can fight entire armies and launch nukes from everywhere, in order to make everyone desperate to buy nukes, which Skullface would offer very cheap, and also nukes that Skullface could control.

WOOOOOO HOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

the game was a massive let down after the trailers hyped it up to be something it wasn't

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venom snake is alright.
FUCK BIG BOSS!

I don't think you understand what the word "retconned" means.

The most efficient method would be sneaking to the objective without interacting with anything, but that requires some skill. The tranq gun exists so retards who are too shit at stealth games can bypass the sneaking with their easy mode gun without getting criticised for murdering people. Tranqing is the worst thing that ever happened to mgs.

Good post, but stop bullying the brainlet.

He still plays games as a power fantasy.

After it was uncovered that Kaz was in dealings with Skull Face long before GZ we can agree he is the traitor and it makes perfect sense that he is a racist now because she chose kikongo to be the language of death

Reminder that when you are saying that "Venom snek is better than Big bitch lol!!!!!!!!" you are effectively meaning
>I'm so better than Big Boss, lalalalalallalalalalalalalalalalalalalaalalala!

How proud are you to state that you're head and shoulders above Big Boss? Absolutely no one fucking cares.

How does your post address Also, tranq everyone isn't the wrong way, but it really is up to you to find your own fun.
If you're not having fun tranq everyone, then try mixing it up. Use D-Walker, use lethal weapons.

Guy in is saying you don't need upgrades to progress through the game, except fulton upgrades and maybe missile launchers, which is true.
You could very well just use that first lethal weapon you got the entire game if you want to.

>The most efficient method would be sneaking to the objective without interacting with anything
Nah, the game's shoehorned faggot ranking system carried over from some shit portable spinoff doesn't take that into account. In fact you even get points for 'tactical eliminations' :^)

>"Venom snek is better than Big bitch lol!!!!!!!!"
>I'm so better than Big Boss, lalalalalallalalalalalalalalalalalalalaalalala!
Reminder that the people who type this are the average MGS fanboy, no different from the fanbase of COD or Assassins Creed.

But people seem to like it.

Venom Snake is not an actual name. It only pertains to the game.

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That's bullshit though Big Boss was cloned because he was the best soldier of the 20th century and you see what Liquid can do as just a kid in the game. His clones are superior to Venomand Solid Snake kills him.

jesus. Its a game. I love the characters.
Don't take things so serious

>If you're not having fun tranq everyone, then try mixing it up. Use D-Walker, use lethal weapons.
AKA force yourself to get into gunfights and use some shitty mech to have fun in a stealth game.
I tried all that, and it still doesn't address the other glaring flaws in the game like the horrible weapon design and awful, empty open world.

What are you talking about?
In Peace Walker he literally builds a Metal Gear and steals a nuke, and then goes on to say that he doesn't care if the world considers them terrorists.
That's the thing, for you Big Boss would only look evil if he was murdering children with a knife.
But he wasn't evil, he was just a warmongerer, which makes sense considering all he had in his life was fighting wars.

>the people who type this are the average MGS fanboy
Prove it. Oh wait, you can't. No average person is me and not everyone that isn't average is you either.

>Make game with objectively shit and boring writing
>"Wow, the writing is shit and boring"
>"SHUT UP IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT SO IT'S GOOD"

Whoever thinks the surgery twist is good should never get into writing

>Hell, you can't even sprint because that depletes your thirst meter
thirst is a problem first 2 hours and never again. Its not as nearly gridny as many other similar crafting game. Its a spin off you fucking retard. Only reason it got so many flak because of Kojima drones like yourself jumping on hate wagon and parroting muh konami evil. . Maybe its not something you enjoy but its a better game then TPP considering what is trying to do and how enjoyable and tense can be.

>weapon design
I mean mission design.

The "no traces" bonus gives you the most points and a guaranteed S rank you dumb casual.

>They implied Venom kills kids, but he's really only pretending
You do know if the game had you kill kids the game would be instantly AO, which means it would be removed from most physical stores and any and all digital stores, right?

It's true that the development of Big Boss as a character stopped at the end of Peace Walker where he essentially tells MSF that they'll become warmongering assholes, but acting like V needed to be made (when we knew about BB becoming a hypocrite using people for his own ends ever since MGS3) is fucking retarded.

Most people who aren't brainlets don't hate V for the Venom twist anyway, acting like people really care about that is moronic, it's more about Chapter 1 being an insult to intelligence in every single fucking way possible. Nobody does anything that makes any sense whatsoever, Skull Face monologues about vague bullshit and lets people go before dying to his own Metal Gear, Diamond Dogs never really attack XOF in any way, shape or form, every single scene with Code Talker feels like intentional self parody, Quiet's shit is embarrassing, et cetera. And that's just the plot, don't get me started on the fucking gameplay.

V is an MGS game that doesn't feel like MGS and peters out after the 5 hour mark when you realize there's nothing new or surprising to it. Also
>People like you wanted some saturday morning cartoon youngling killing revenge of the sith tier shit that would have just been awful and comical.
Acting like the above cannot be done in fiction and be powerful is just another level of full fucking retard, user. Morons always pull this card when trying to defend V. Apocalypse Now exists.

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Venom Snake is you though, that's why I said that you're effectively saying that you're better than Big Boss when you are saying that "Venom is better man than Big Boss".

and yet, it's still more efficient to just aim at the head and run past things
Admit it, you have to force yourself to not do these things in a stealth game. It's terrible design my man. Open world was a mistake.

Not a single Kojima game was good writing, but V is the best written Kojima game yet.

>but V is the best written Kojima game yet

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Venom is a better Big Boss than Big Boss. However, the game was themed around bridging the events from Big Boss's games to MG, showing how Big Boss became the warlord he was, but instead you run around saving puppies.

I'm sorry you didn't have fun, but I think the weapon customization is fun.
For the open world, I sort of agree, I wish they had put in randomized stuff which could've lengthened the game and keep it feeling fresh, even for a bit more.

The amount of retarded shit in this post is honestly incredible.

There are fleeting moments where the game shines, but ultimately it just doesn't feel anything like the Metal Gear Solid games I fell in love with.
The game is a complete mess made for people with completionist autism, just like Peace Walker.

>"SHUT UP IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT SO IT'S GOOD"
I never implied that in my post to begin with. The writing is shit and boring, yes, I'm just pointing out the facts why it's shit and boring to you.
Jesus fucking christ, all of you are a hellhole to talk to on a Christian anime imageboard like this one.

Don't waste your brain power on trying to understand posts on Yea Forums, you clearly need all of it to continue breathing.

>no argument

Are you me? I was actually fucking imagining this before the game came out, I was fucking hoping the FOB would be a full on MMO experience with almost all the shit you listed (except the discord stuff because I never knew about Discord back then, I just imagined it would go on Skype or something). I never got over this shit, I got over MGSV being a shitty single player experience rather quickly but I never got over this and the disappointment that was MGO3.

I fucking wish that shit happened. Too bad it didn't. Fuck that would've been amazing. Fuck Kojima and fuck Konami.

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>but instead you run around saving puppies.
Only because of a contract.

It literally isn't, but feel free to continue trying to justify playing games on easy mode you pathetic casual.

>it doesn't feel anything like the MGS i fell in love with

>wtf why doesn't this guy make the same game 7 times in a row
>wtf why is this game that was advertised as an open world infiltration game not like what i wanted

>"Snake, say the magic words..."
>Whitewashed former kikongobongo black man: "Kept ya waitin ehh?"
>"It really is you, Snake... you sound exactly the same..."
This game is beyond retarded and whoever defends it probably also spammed #FUCKKONAMI in youtube comments for half a year

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Oh yeah, that reminds me that MGSV only has one save file and no difficulty settings, even more evidence that it's nothing like the games in the series that were actually good.

Says the retard who cannot even understand a Kojima story.

You didn't give any either.
>Character motivations make no sense
>People end up looking incompetent (a paranoidal asshole controlling half the world gets ass cancer from an infected pin, great writing Kojimbo
>Eli is wasted potential
>Kojima thinks he understands 1984 and Lord of the Flies and then puts shit like double think into his game or has Eli kill a boy named "Ralph" - fucking genius, 10/10, got all thematic elements of those books
>Eli is sitting in front of a pig's head, did u rike, I read sparksnotes too gaijin
Anyway, I know you're trolling but I'll shit down your throat anyway since other anons will see this an agree with it, so whatever.

How does it feel to say that you're better than Big Boss?
Absolutely no one gives a shit anymore, move on and stop being so insecure.

Dude, grinding is the entire point of the fucking game, there's literally nothing to do beyond grinding.

>Its a spin off you fucking retard
Yes, a spinoff built on the worst parts of the worst mainline MGS game. The only good spinoff MGS has gotten is MGR, and because it's the only one made by competent developers.

>what is trying to do
What is it trying to do, being a grindfest?
As I said, the entire game is built around the grinding parts of MGSV.

>how enjoyable and tense can be
It's not enjoyable at all because the combat is suited for a stealth game, not a game like this. And lets not even talk about the awful melee weapons.

>Only reason it got so many flak because of Kojima drones like yourself jumping on hate wagon and parroting muh konami evil.
It would have been shat on anyway due to how grindy and clunky it is, how the world is the kind of grey and brown shit you saw in FPS games in the early 2010s, and the fact that it's entire gimmick, the coop, is only available in a tower defense mode that's currently unplayable because literally no one is playing the game anymore.
It doesn't stand out in any way whatsoever.

And what's your defense of this?
>HURRR UR A KOJIMA DRONE

Dying Light did everything MG Survive tried to do but it actually did it better, and it did it in 2015, not in 2018 when the whole zombie survival thing was already run into the ground.

Oh I get you. Sometimes this game series is too meta for this phone poster

>well you see making some soulless open world shit game where you ride on a horse for ten minutes between the same four side-missions recycled constantly is justified because Kojima was definitely advertising how bad the game would be with the great trailers and awesome paid demo

But V is piss easy to understand? Or are you one of these autists who thinks it's an amazing treaty or colonialism or something just because a youtuber told you that? Think for yourself brainlet.

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Almost like... Holy shit... It's a sequel to Peace Walker... and both are ... Espionage Operations games... not Espionage Action games...
Whoaa....

Let me guess, you consider MGS2 to be the best written MGS game, even though the entire point of MGS2 is that the plot of the game itself, the characters and everything are pointless and you shouldn't pay attention to them.

Based brainlet retard with no reading comprehension skills.

>hey what if we took MGS name and we add some familiar faces, except we removed all of the substance from their characters .We can also force player to wait for chopper and run around empty wasteland instead of fighting some cool paranormal and mysterious dudes. Let them fight bullet sponge zombies at least 5 times. Oh and we can also replay the same missions instead of providing new ones.

Metal Gear Solid V is not a traditional story.
Anyone who doesn't recognize this is bound to talk and argue like an idiot. Have a nice day.

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>It's a sequel to Peace Walker
Hence why the game sucks so much ass. Took its ques from a portable spin-off made for people to play on train rides, but tried to make a real game out of it.

>piss easy to understand
>doesn't understand the villain's motives
kek

What does it matter what I consider to be the best written game in the series when we're talking about V? I like thematic elements from all games, even V. It's just that it's executed like shit in V.

Do less guessing about others and talk like a normal person, please.

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It's also not a good one

Yes, that sounds fucking awful, and guess what, Survive is based on that game.
Survive proves that MGSV is garbage, not only because of Kojima, but because literally no one at Kojipro has any idea about videogame development.

>instead of fighting some cool paranormal and mysterious dudes.
OH MY GOD SO GOOD FIGHT NINJAS AND PSYCHOS HNNNNNGH BASED KOJIMA 50 HOUR CUTSCENES SO GOOD IM GONNA CUM

Explain them to us then, I'm interested if you can write in something other than greentext, lmao.

>big boss is a character with so much characterization half of the serie is a prequel to explain his origins
>we even have a conclusion where he comes back to life to die 2 minutes later so just he can make peace with his last son
>kojima just loved to hear Hayter so much he made him play in the mgs4 intro despite him being american and kojima japanese, against every trend in japan for decades
stop man, just stop, it was a failure and venom was mute the whole way because the drunktard was too expensive, stop trying to spin things over.

>some cool paranormal and mysterious dudes
And this is why Kojima ended up hating MGS.
Because for you it was only about fighting "BRO, THOSE FUCKING COOL AND RADICAL BADASS SOLDIERS BRO, FUCKING EPIC DUDE".

Thank god MGS is dead.

>Let them fight bullet sponge zombies at least 5 times but make sure to spoil it every time before it happens
Fixed

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It's made by Kojima so of course it's not.

Chapter 1 is fucking awful. 85% of the missions mean nothing and are just like Side-Ops from Peace Walker

Except Venom achieves feats far greater than BB and Solid ever did, so you're wrong

I'm not spoonfeeding a weeb retard.

he hates mgs so much his newest movie is literally a mgs5 knockoff
he hated 5 because uncle konami didn't want to put up with his bullshit, nothing more

Ladies and gentlemen - V apologists.

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>spend entire game working towards and obsessing over revenge
>get revenge
>it feels unsatisfying and empty
>instead of having closure, it just leaves more loose ends
>you're now a demon of your former self

Kojima is unironically a master storyteller and the best in the industry. You all got KOJIMA'D

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>movie
Movie? I thought you said that MGSV was lacking in story.
He's listening to you.

That's the most laughable part of you MGS fanboys, when you pretend you give a single fuck about gameplay.
MGSV had almost no story, it was 99% gameplay, and even then most of your complaints are about the story.
You have no credibility left, you do not care gameplay, you want movies, and that's what Death Stranding is.

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My dude, I could post the best argument in the world and we both know that you wouldn't change your mind and just reply with the exact words and image you posted now.

Holy shit, what a piece of shit opinion jesus christ.
>Most plot threads go nowhere
>Most characters have either no characterization or no ending to the arcs

>make game about Phantom Pain
>literally makes the fans feel Phantom Pain
BRAVO KOJIMBO

Not that user, but Kojima could've just was easily replaced the cool paranormal mysterious dudes with soldiers with interesting backstories and tactics like he did with Metal Gear 1 and Metal Gear 2. The paranormal shit was a trend he started in MGS1 and he continued himself, he could've gone back to basics with MGSV since it's a prequel to MG1 but instead introduced magical vocal parasites.

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This can't be real.

Yeah you're probably right user, godspeed to you. Continue being a based brainlet.

Yeah, so? How does that prove me wrong?

>it feels unsatisfying and empty
Yeah I think even most brainlets realized this was intentional.
As a matter of fact though, revenge feels fucking great. Kojima just went the moralfag route of making it feel empty and it doesn't help that the player himself gives absolutely no shis about the literallywhos that died at mother base.

And lets not forget that MGS1-3 are praised even though the gameplay of these games is utter garbage, so bad, that sometimes made me question whether Kojima, or anyone in his team, had ever played a single videogame before.

That's why I laugh whenever someone asks for Death Stranding gameplay, MGS fags are just larping as actual players, when you are not.

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>Some anons on here at least are smart enough to recognize that Venom Snake is entirely a full on self insert
>Said anons then spew idiocy by still thinking that Venom Snake is his own character which completely contradicts the statement above
Sometimes, I just want to forget that this game ever happened. All it did was shit up Kojima's legacy while creating the most confused retards within the MGS fanbase, shitting up said fanbase even further on all fields, bases, and sides, with Kojima having no good intentions on doing so.

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> i didnt play the game
Ok I understand. Go play it you might like it cause its a solid game. You can also see how its elements are getting transferred to Death Stranding.
Rising was much worse as a spin off because it literally ruins everything that mgs4 was trying to accomplish. You can even consider MGSV as a spin off since its not even connected to any of the previous games in any conceivable way. Making the entire game so you can retcon some unimportant stuff isnt really anything worth wasting your time on. TPP was advertised as a missing link but NOTHING that happens in that game has any significance to anything.

Why were MGS1-3 even praised for? Both the gameplay and stories are trash.
The graphics? The cinematic feeling?

Ok that's pretty metal.

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>make a game
>cut the first 25% and sell it separately
>make the best built up villain who is possibly the most competent guy in the series yet, have him fuck up the last game's worth of progress in one night
>do a couple of trailers at E3 which paired with the previously sold prologue raises the hype to near historical fucking levels
>release the game
>nothing makes sense
>villains shit themselves and fall over on their own feces
>the last 30% is cut, most content is missing, even some shit that was in PW isn't here
>the Metal Gear Zeke equivalent just sits in the hangar after being finished
>have the twist be so predictable people guess it before the first trailer really drops
>people feel Phantom Pain for real
downright shakespearean

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War and peace are a cycle. The players and methods may change, but the underlying intentions remain the same. It doesn't matter who wears the mask, it only matters who pulls the strings.

MGSV is a postmodern ludonarrative masterpiece.

He made Venom mute for the player to fill in for him. Also, he liked Mad Max which is another reason why he made Venom mute.

Stop acting like a retard with your headcanon and go read up actual interviews and memos from Kojima instead of reading the shit that Yea Forums endlessly flings.

Actually, MGSV is the first MGS for some people.
I've been browsing YT videos and people are commenting how they're confused about the story but then admit that V is their first MGS game.

I did, and I lasted about 8 hours because it was the same shit from MGSV but with a far more obnoxious focus on resources, and I have no interest in that because even MGSV itself made me tired of that shitty gameplay.
If I want to grind, I rather play Monster Hunter.

>Rising was much worse as a spin off because it literally ruins everything that mgs4 was trying to accomplish
I don't give a single fuck, it was fun. Survive and MGSV aren't.

The twist isn't Venom not being Big Boss.
The twist is the context.

When will you idiots understand nobody actually cares about Venom in regards to V? Venom is literally the only fucking thing that actually works narratively in this game, no matter if you see him as a player insert or an actual big medic from MSF.

>cut the first 25% and sell it separately
>25%
Really?
You completed TPP in 1.5 hours?
Why can't MGS redditors argue without exagerating everything?
Is it because MGS redditors are low IQ people who wouldn't even understand the plot of a Call of Duty campaign?

This
>guys who you were about to headshot but ended up tranquilizing and fultoning instead
>"THEY WILL ALWAYS BE DIAMONDS"

not the user you replied too, the "story" in mgs5 is simply awful because everything is ridiculous in it, even a brain dead fanatic can't defend it, ocelot is fucking useless, huey became even because he was just hal v2 in PW, quiet single handedly ruined the franchise more than kojima could ever do, code talker is useless and a walking dictionnary just to say "n-not nanomachines, they're just male to female guys" I could go even further and talk about skullface and the jeep ride but it would be bullying at this point.
And I never defended MGS5 gameplay either, which is a step down from mgs4, known for being the worst mainline game gameplay wise, it's an achievement, I could talk about the absence of survival elements despite being in the most hostile environnement but I lost all hope in the introduction where "not-snake but voiced by kiefer" tell us to play dead but the action doesn't even work despite being in the game.
I am a MGS fanboy, I am a retard who will say "mgs3 is fun because you can mess up with the enemies" I will say PW was fun because "boss battles were fun and grinding weapons is nice" but I will never say with a straight face that MGS5 is good

>Except Venom achieves feats far greater than BB and Solid ever did, so you're wrong
Except that he didn't and you're saying headcanon.
Actually, whether he did or not doesn't matter because you're supposed to write 80% of the game. Your headcanon is canon and my headcanon is canon, so who cares. You're neither right nor wrong and neither am I.

MGSV is the best MGS game solely because it's an actual videogame, unlike every other MGS made before.

That same context that was in Metal Gear 1 released in 1987 on the MSX, except with added elements of Big Boss being a double, manipulative asshole which we also knew from retcons and MGS3. Yes. Your point?

so lets replace everything with literally nothing? are you retarded? please kys

You are wrong though , big boss is venom snake

he has scizophrenia

Dude, if you're having a meltdown this deep after reading one exaggeration, don't ever leave your basement. You'll have a stroke.

if konami wanted to make easy money they could just reskin mgsv into a game about solidus fucking shit up in africa or whatever and see him rise from a soldier to the president and slowly learn about commanding people while developing the base and learning about the patriots
i just want more fox engine man, those games have the best "feel" of any tps i ever played

>IDIOTS, STOP CARING SO MUCH ABOUT THE SHITTY LORE AND SHITTY PLOT
>proceed to do nothing but discuss the shitty lore and shitty plot more and more

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>nobody actually cares about Venom in regards to V?
>Venom is literally the only fucking thing that actually works narratively in this game
What the hell do you even mean? What sort of narrative. I'm not trying to be retarded, but spoonfeed me. Seriously.

Is this your first MGS game? The body double twist is the least hated aspect of the game or the ending.
How about the fact that you just randomly get it after doing some fuck all side quests that have no importance narratively, or that literally everything that's important about the plot gets explained in tapes you get after viewing the ending? Did those things just fly over your head when you said "I loved every minute of it" or are you just retarded?

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>i just want more fox engine man, those games have the best "feel" of any tps i ever played
See?
This guy unironically thinks the way gameplay feels is tied to an engine
This is the average MGS fanboy.
I firmly believe that, among all fanbases in Yea Forums, the one of MGS games is, by far, the most stupid and the one that knows the least about videogames and videogame development.

Then again, the MGS franchise is barely about videogames.

No, the important part are the themes, not that for you, MGS is just eastern Call of Duty.
And honestly, because the paranormal and "wacky" aspects of MGS have always been the most laughable, weak and stupid parts of the plot.

>kys
Go away with your reddit speak.

have sex

Kojima was tired of making Metal Gear since MGS2.

MGSV is essentially "FUCK YOU, FINISH THIS METAL GEAR GAME FOR ME, I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE". When will you realize that?

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's not true

>"FUCK YOU, FINISH THIS METAL GEAR GAME FOR ME, I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE"
WORDS THAT KILL

MGSV was Kojima saying
>okay, i'm stuck making MGS games, but lets see if I can do something different, at least
He clearly had a ton of ideas, so much that he wouldn't focus on one, and the game ended unfinished.
He had some clear ideas of certain events, but never started thinking of how to add them to a cohesive story.
It's a very subdued version of what happened during Mass Effect Andromeda's development: a lot of very ambitious ideas, no clear direction, a launch date that keeps getting closer and the team having to scrap a ton of stuff to make it to the release date.
Except instead of having to battle with the Frostbite engine's problems, Kojipro had to develop the engine itself.

The large portion of the game is about parasites = real Big Boss is a parasite that uses his fame to send men to their deaths to further his own retarded goals being butthurt over the Boss' death and then her betrayal of him. It's a stretch and kinda retarded but it works.

People thought they'll be playing as Big Boss having revenge on XOF = in reality you're playing as one dude (who actually tries to be really good but ends up brainwashed into developing BB's shit for him and ends up killed for it) who used to be the biggest fan or supporter of Big Boss (whether or not you think of him as a player insert or just a really competent MSF soldier who was in the chopper) so both the player and the soldier are tricked by Big Boss, just like Solid was in MG1.

tl;dr - you were a fan of Big Boss and played as him through all those games, now you're literally discarded and used by the guy you adored. It's probably the only part of the game's plot that isn't extremely insulting, even though it's a re-tread of Metal Gear 1.

>its the daily MGSV seethe thread

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>Survive is ok MGSV is total garbage.
fixed this for you.

>i-i'm better then everyone else
when you do that shit irl everyone despises you, keep that in mind

Epic reddit post , upboated

>Only I and a few truly understand the game and it's story, EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG!!!!!
>Yeah, well, only I truly understand the game and it's "story", EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG!!!!
>You're all idiots, the game and the "story" that you all speak of is all about [retarded garbage], EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T SIDE WITH ME BY THINKING DIFFERENTLY IS WRONG!!!!!!
Yawn. Let's hope Death Stranding comes out soon enough so that we can put all the talk about Metal Gear and MGSV to rest.

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No, it isn't.
There's nothing salvageable in Survive.
It's an outdated concept built upon a boring videogame, and it's only gimmick, the coop, was limited to a repetitive game mode.

As I said earlier, Dying Light did everything Survive tried to do, but 10 times better and it did it 3 years before the game came out.
Not to mention it has a far better and more varied open world instead of an ugly and repetitive one, and that traversing it is actually fun due to the parkour system, insteado of being a chore made worse by the grinding mechanics.
Not to mention Dying Light has far more to do other than grinding, and a better story.

but thats the best part

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That's what you think.
>There are no facts, only interpretations.

It's almost always some people passionate about V calling it shit pulling out actual arguments and some other people who never cared about MGS trolling with neutral replies. t. been in too many of these threads ever since the game came out

>i am actually completely retarded
Sorry. Yes. Everything you said is correct buddy. Good job. Everyone knows that COD and MGS shares the same themes just with easterner influence. You are not stupid for saying this. Good job buddy.

>Its the retarded frognigger post

I wouldn't dig too deeply into that and everything concerning the Truth part (like the tapes) considering Kojima doesn't even understand what double think is or how it was used in 1984 and why it can't be used for brainwashing Venom.

He's got a point you know. The double cross actually does a great job of characterizing boss as a maniac with no ethics, the final stage of his evolution into the legendary boss.

It's a classic Kojima subversion of expectations:
>we were expecting solid snake, we got raiden
>we were expecting solid snake, we got the original boss
>we were finally expecting solid snake to return after 2 games without him: we get him, but he's an old man, a shadow of his former self.
>we were expecting a clear wrap up to boss' development into a villain: "sorry, boss is in another room, you're just a random, manipulated soldier!"

Kojima is a fucking genius for refusing to give idiot fanboys what they expect and what they think they want.

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>MGSV was Kojima saying i am a hack and i have no idea what i want to make but i want to leach on open world meme and get recognition by emulating what they are doing

fixed this for you

Yes, sorry for trying to understand this logically instead of sperging out like a hormonal teenager in her period like the average MGS fanboy in Yea Forums does.

If subverting expectation is all that it takes to be a good writer then the Last Jedi must've been a masterpiece. Oops.

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This is what I like about this game. V-BiBo is actually a decent guy, but regular BiBo is a piece of shit.

No, but Star Wars was garbage anyway and there's not a single trace in the 80s equivalent of capeshit.

>some people passionate about V calling it shit pulling out actual arguments
What do those people say?
>some other people who never cared about MGS trolling with neutral replies
What do those other people say as well?

NOBODY guessed the plot twist back then. I mean, some people thought what we got, but nobody really believed.

More like
>we were expecting a clear wrap up to Boss' development into a villain: "Big Boss was already an asshole, you stupid faggot, he ignored everything The Boss told him and already rejected her vision in PW. He defected from the army, he stopped being loyal to this duty as a soldier, he built a Metal Gear, he stole a nuke and in this game he goes as far as using a soldier loyal to him as a shield for him, like the US government did with The Boss"

Also
>There are no facts, only interpretations
In the context of MGSV means that you're supposed to make up your own headcanon from the vague crap that is given in the game, or in other wards, you're supposed to interpret the messages (if it even has any other than YOU'RE BIG BOSS LOL), the themes (if it even has any), and what the hell is actually going o
n with the characters (if it even added anything onto and further detailed anything about them).
In other words, you are supposed to interpret.

You're neither right or wrong, and you might have a point or not. Your argument could be good and worthy of discussion or just naive plain out indecipherable retarded shit not even worth arguing.

I'd argue your post has no substance and that "lmao just make up your mind yourself nigga just do it" has no place in any sort of discussion because that's obvious to fucking anyone and not constructive.

Obviously I'm a naive retard from expecting constructive discussion from you guys, but still.

>Is this your first MGS game
That I've completed, yes
>Are you retarded
This is up for debate. I didn't like anything you mentioned either though. I was exaggerating but I did really enjoy this game until that happened.

There's some guys who talked about MGSV's themes, thought they were interesting reads.
vs642.wordpress.com/2015/09/22/critical-analysis-of-metal-gear-solid-v-the-boldfaced-lie/
objectivevgaesthetics.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/the-phantoms-pain-turning-venom-snake-into-the-boss-a-metal-gear-solid-v-narrative-analysis-part-2/

Parasites son. They reproduce in response to psychical trauma

Oh yeah, that reminded me - the Paz part in MGSV where she dies horribly and gives you that final cassette tape (and the tape specifically) was so good and unlike everything else in the game that I'd argue Kojima had nothing to do with it and probably fought against putting it in the game.

You are spewing nonsense. Kojima hasn made a good game in 15 years now. Compering TPP production with Andromedas is something that only someone seriously uninformed can do.

No, it's because I actually tried to learn as much about what happened with both.
Whether they are talented is irrelevant because MGSV's main problem is that it's unfinished.
A game can be good or bad, but if it's unfinished it's because there's been far bigger problems during development than talent, specially considering Kojima has never released an unfinished videogame before.

>this is what kojimadrones think
I'm glad I grew out of it

Did you not play Peace Walker?

It extensively documents the fall of Big Boss, Ground Zeroes is just the last little traumatic cherry on the cake.

No, what I think is that the whole Paz thing is something that was planned from the start.
There's fun and well made parts in MGSV, but, like the Paz thing itself, which you could easily miss unless you know it exists beforehand, or you were autistically exploring Motherbase, is just too disjointed.

Seems like Kojima came up with a few moments in his head very clearly, but had no clear idea of how to put them in the game.
Like the difference between the opening mission, which is one of the most, if not the most restrictive segment in the entire franchise, and how then most of the game afterwards has nothing in common.

>Like the difference between the opening mission, which is one of the most, if not the most restrictive segment in the entire franchise, and how then most of the game afterwards has nothing in common.
Kojima wanted something like the usual cutscene fair but was too afraid of the "fan" backlash after MGS4, imo. And then he went and made literal ancient parasites a large part of the plot in spite of people complaining about nanomachines.

Actually from what i've read it seems that Chapter 3 was supposed to be an expanded version of the Paz subplot, and that those missions where you extract soldiers and you get a photo would be actual missions.
What's in the game is what was made by that time.

but this is just how you feel. Some consider Dying light to be boring chore too. Why are you compering it to other games? we were talking about Kojima and his hack skills. Survive is a better game then MGSV. Even its goofy story has more meaning then anything presented in both Dying light and MGSV

>Death stranding can go fuck itself.
BASED and REDPILLED

What about Punished Chico? Wasn't his mission data found in the mobile version of MGSV? I mean I don't doubt that a minimal amount of important shit was removed from MGSV's final version but there hast to be at least one.

Dude ...the problem with TPP is not that its unfinished. Its literally has no substance. Everything is shallow. Its not just story thats unfinished. Game was in development for 5 years. With resources he had and talent behind , not having finished project is unacceptable. IT was proven that Kojima was wasting time and his resources. Even if we got part 3 it would literally change nothing because it would be more of the same garbage.

> What was Kojima thinking?
On fixing a plot hole on the MSX games.

It’s what the game advises you to do, though. Just pointing out that nothing in V is handed to you on a silver platter. What I say might add nothing to what you are saying about your opinion on how Big Boss is a “parasite” and thus be nonconstructive but it’s still worth pointing out, regardless, because some idiots can’t understand MGSV’s overall structure right off the bat without spoon feeding. Just wanted to make sure that you weren’t one of them.

>he just died in the chopper lmao
Yeah, he was cut and there was something in the artbook regarding his adult version.

the entire game's plot was one big shitshow

I actually just reinstalled and I'm gonna play through it again, but only cause the gameplay and missions were so enjoyable.

could genuinely have been the undisputed GOAT

That was entirely an afterthought. The main point that MGSV’s final story concept focused on was making the player Big Boss.

>Chapter 3 and story missions were cut
A tale every Kojima sucker say, even with the ''uncut missions'' the game would still be mediocre.

>The leaked script from Reddit says that Big Boss was selflessly grateful to have the avatar be Big Boss.

By creating more plot holes

the story was trash throughout, not just the lack of an ending.

Hot take: No one understands MGSV except Kojima. To truly understand the game, one has to think and act like Kojima.

Kojima only understands half

Hideo understands the other half

MGSV is a masterpiece

could have been a masterpiece*

>Its literally has no substance
Not that MGS fags care, all what they want is Big Boss helping Grey Fox.

I love the fact that Phantom Pain, especially the final dialogue in the game, completely retcon MG1 and MG2 out of existence.

>MGSV is your game! It has your story! It has your main character; it’s actually you!
>The above translates to “I’m a hack fraud, here’s 30% of everything that I worked on for this game! Go write and make the rest, lackey!”
Hopefully, DS’ reception will fuck over Kojima for good.

What talent?
Survive proves that there's no trace of talent at Kojipro, that everyone is a hack, not just Kojima.
If there was talent then there would be something good in these games, but there's not.
And lets not forget that MGS1-3 had the worst gameplay of any stealth game ever.

You play a victim of Big Boss.

The game is about personality cults and how they capture and destroy seemingly bright and competent people despite how insane they seem.

You even do it yourself acting as his doppleganger and building your heroism to rake in ever juicier recruits of your own.

Fucking newfags. This is literally what kojima did for msg2 with the tanker mission. Same old kojima tricks and he played you like a damn fiddle.

>Why are you compering it to other games?
Why wouldn't I? It's a zombie survival game, so i'm comparing it to other zombie survival games.

>we were talking about Kojima and his hack skills
And Survive proves that it's the entire team who has no skills because they weren't able to even make a half competent zombie survival game.

>Even its goofy story has more meaning then anything presented in both Dying light and MGSV
No it fucking doesn't, it's the same crap as MGSV and pales in comparison to the simplistic story of Dying Light.

Both MGSV and Survive are some of the worst games of the 8th generation, and not a single skilled person touched either of the games.
They ran fine, that's all the positives they have.

it doesn't matter how many le ebin twists kojima pulls out of his ass if the story is actual garbage.

the only reason to play this game is for the gameplay.

this game at least made me appreciate that MGS4's story could have been a whole lot worse. at least it was entertaining.

And those same people claim MGS2 is a postmodern masterpiece, all while talking endlessly about MGS's absolute piece of shit of a lore while the message of MGS2 was that lore and plot is not the focus of these games.

>it doesn't matter how many le ebin twists kojima pulls out of his ass if the story is actual garbage.
>the only reason to play this game is for the gameplay.
Bear in mind that MGS fags, the same people who say "this game is only worthwhile for the gameplay" regarding a VIDEOGAME are the same people who then go on to complain about Death Stranding being a movie.

This is why i'm glad MGS is dead, because it's garbage fanbase do not want videogames, they want endless shitty movies.
MGS got the end it deserved, getting pissed on both by V and Survive.

shut the fuck up, MGS has always had a great marriage of gameplay and story.

when one of those things is suddenly cut out, fans are bound to be disappointed.

Kojima is all flash and no substance these days IMO. He makes moments that'll look great in the trailer and little else.

MGSV being fun to play feels like a fluke by comparison, and even then I think they dropped the ball in some respects.

MGS5 was okay

>while the message of MGS2 was that lore and plot is not the focus of these games.
true. MGS2 throws away the plot in the last hour for some absurd bullshit that MGS4 had to bend over backwards to fix

No, you don't care about substance, you want flash, just fanservicey flash.

What marriage?
Up until MGSV's the gameplay in MGS was clearly an afterthought due to how mediocre and how awful the controls are.
If they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have kept making stealth games for 10 years using camera angles meant to be obstructive.

Tell it to me straight bros, will she ever find gainful employment again?
Why Kojima?

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I sunk 120 hours in this game, and I regret 90% of them (that 10% is because the gameplay is pretty cool)

Fuck Kojima and his real time item/weapons development shit and copy-pasted missions.

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Kojambles has suffered from an inflated ego since MGS1 was so popular on PS1.

That was his last truly great game, and he ended up burdening all subsequent games with pretentious shit, rather than just making a really cool action game with a fun plot twist towards the end, because he got too much praise for MGS1. MGS3 was the closest in quality to MGS1.

yeah nah you're a dumbass zoomer who tried playing MGS1 but got frustrated and quit.

those games have great controls, they're just too dissimilar to your cookie cutter third person shooter controls for you to get any good at them.

Yeah, and there was a piece of mission data from the phone app that showed a mission to rescue him somewhere in the Africa map.

One of the KojiPro leaks mentioned Konami employees sabotaging KojiPro computers and deleting information, maybe the Chico mission was deleted?

spare a thought for me

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Source to this leaked script?

There's a reason literally no one else tried to copy that control system, and why even Kojima himself abandoned it.
Because it was terrible and clunky.
Hell, due to the camera system you could often be detected by soldiers who were out of your view.
And this garbage idea is why they had to bring in the Soliton radar, an almost unfair counter measure to a terrible design choice.

Better than mgsv

>but acting like V needed to be made (when we knew about BB becoming a hypocrite using people for his own ends ever since MGS3) is fucking retarded.

I disagree with you here. Snake Eater provides the audience with a latchkey moment in Big Boss's life and you can draw your own conclusions (i.e they could have left it there), but once they went through with Peace Walker as his transformation into the legendary mercenary I think V was necessary.

I do think however that Kojima completely dropped the ball with what V needed to be in the Big Boss story arc. Worst part is that you can see strong thematic threads in Kojima's early plans for V and only a few threaded crumbs of it left in the final game.

V needed to be a game about the reality of Outer Heaven, Peace Walker gets you hyped up on this jolly idealistic 1970s central american socialist revolutionary wave and ends with a note of uncertainty and darkness, in V we needed to see this in full swing. The setting was the perfect opportunity too: Privatized millitary nightmare, neo-colonial forces exploiting and raping third world countries of their resources and people.

We needed to see more of blood diamond conflict, squabbles over oil, Mercenary companies fighting eachother with horrific collateral for the local region, Diamond Dogs deliberately fueling conflict in very bleak and overt ways in order to stimulate business and recruits for themselves. We needed Diamond Dog mercenaries that were corrupt, shitty people. I think a great line could have been drawn with the skullface storyline in that Kaz would become extremely uncomfortable with the endless war/mercenary fighting with no purpose after the revenge was done, but Big Boss reveling in it.

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>an almost unfair counter measure to a terrible design choice.
You can fix that by creating a predetermined "fog of war' were certain key areas of the radar aren't noticeable until you get to that area. That way when you get detected it's fair.

No, i'm saying it's unfair towards the enemy soldiers because I can see where they are and where they look towards at any time in my minimap, it's almost like using a wallhack.

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He abandoned it for 2 reasons. Firstly, video game technology moved on and you can make these big open worlds without loading times. Secondly, he wanted to appeal to a broader audience of zoomers who he knew would only play his game if it played like Gears of Tomb Raider.

Funny how the guy who made those games with 'terrible' gameplay ended up making generic third person gameplay that far surpassed anything else done prior in that style. But I guess it's like you say and the old style just sucked, and all those people who love to replay those old games specifically for the enjoyable gameplay and boss battles are the ones who are wrong.

This. If Peace Walker hadn't been made, V wouldn't have been necessary. But since it was made and showed a flat out cartoonish kid's version of Big Boss's MSF army, there needed to be a game that threw that version out of the window and showed the cruel harsh reality of Big Boss's army and Outer Heaven...
...

And Kojima dropped the ball on that

That doesn't discredit my point, my point is that a fog of war can be used to cover up these walls. For instance, you're in a hallway with a few doors, but there's a guard straight ahead of you, the radar shows you that guard in the hallway but not the guards inside the rooms that the doors lead to. In order to find out where the guards are in the room, you'd need to listen to footsteps near the walls of that room, but even then that would require actual listening skill, by consequence however to make that fairer, enemy guards can hear your footsteps as well if you're not careful.

> ended up making generic third person gameplay that far surpassed anything else done prior in that style
What are you talking about?
Gears of War is a far better videogame than MGS4 and V.

MGS' gameplay has always been lacking because it was never the focus of these games, and when it did, it ended in a generic open world, proving that the people who have worked in MGS have never actually cared about videogame development.

>I guess it's like you say and the old style just sucked, and all those people who love to replay those old games specifically for the enjoyable gameplay and boss battles are the ones who are wrong.
Pure nostalgia, the gameplay has always been the weakest part of MGS games and the reason the franchise is trash.

oh I see you haven't even played the series if you think 4 and 5 play anything alike.

I played MGS for the first time in my early 20s, the first 3 games are my favourite of all time and I think they have great gameplay.

Fight me.

>redditlettermedia

>You were supposed to kill Chico
Welp, that sounds anticlimactic, looks like he would've just been a cutscene where you kill him. I was expecting a boss fight. Holy shit. What a letdown. I am glad they just went with the "he died in a chopper" accident. Holy shit.

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You said "generic third person shooter", so i'm not sure if you meant MGS4 or V with that.

MGS4 plays like MGS3 but with more open levels and crouch walk.

I expect pizza when i ordered pizza. but they gave me pasta. fucking genius

No it doesn't, the camera is one of a TPS, that changes everything.
Even Kojima knew this was a mistake and introduced the new camera system with Subsistence.

What's wrong with any of it?
I wouldn't like to be fucked in the ass, but I would like to fuck a boipussy.

retards will deny this but it's obvious if you've actually played survive more than an hour

I am a little skeptical of this script, where's Chapter 3? Where's Kingdom of the Flies? I can see why people trust it, but I find it odd that Kingdom of the Flies isn't there.

I thought Survive sucked once I got to the Africa level.

It was a decent game up till that point but I got seriously fucking tired of it.

err yeah, hence MGS3 and MGS4 play alike because MGS3 got the third person camera which worked with its levels.

that type of camera wouldn't work with MGS1 or 2 because the levels are way tighter. those games play more like Pac-Man than modern action games.

why do so many still seethe over this excellent game?

The gameplay is fantastic and the story is incomplete but that is part of the charm at this point, since it spawns endless threads.

It's not "cool", its fucking retardation.
Everything about MGS is laughable and anyone who takes this shit as anything but a parody of Splinter Cell is retarded.

The biggest disappointment to me was when Skullface died halfway through the game and the second half was literally just harder versions of Chapter 1's missions with a few new ones scattered inbetween.
I still haven't beaten Chapter 50 because I was so pissed off at having to fight that dumb Metal Gear again like my first run meant nothing at all.

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The real Metal Gear (TM) was you all the time!!!

No, Survive is crap, literally only Yea Forums likes the game, and it's obvious it's just because of Yea Forums's hateboner for Kojima, seeing how the only defense Survive gets is
>HURR UR A KOJIMADRONE

Then again, everytime Yea Forums says a game is good it ends up being utter trash.
And lets not ignore the fact that MGS fags don't even like videogames.

MGSV is a better game with an incomplete story

can you imagine how shit it would have been if you had to keep progressing along that retarded ass WOLBACHIA storyline?

I loved MGSV and Survive. And the other MGS games.

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That shit is just padding though. You don't need to do the challenge missions. Just do the missions that complete Huey and Quiet's stories and that's all you need.
There was honestly no point in even calling it Act 2,it should've all just been epilogue missions.

They should've not made it into chapters when they dropped all those extra content.
The whole chapter one is the whole game.
Everything in chapter 2 is like an epilogue.

And you probably hate all other games.
MGSfags do not like games.

>create beloved character
>he is not so great!!!!!!

But why? Also he was de facto great, you can create a fake snake at the end to tell us that this was not true... but why? He done what he done bacause he was sure to be Snake. So the idea of snakeness at least need to be worshipped

>finally bring Ocelot back to the series
>give no explanation as to why he finally decided to join Big Boss and have him do virtually nothing in the game besides a few droning speeches

>mfw people don't realize that you didn't need to complete the repeated missions to get the final one
>mfw people actually forced themselves to complete those chores

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nah I play an assload of games. Mordhau now, RDR2 earlier, BFV or Battlefront 2 later.

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Is this the thread where autistic MGS redditors repeat their complaints about MGSV for the 500th time?
What will it take for mods to finally do what's necessary and ban all MGS, Death Stranding and any thread related to Kojima?
They are borderline spam populated by autismos.

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I am literally quoting the user I replied to you dumbfuck. He was the one who described them as "cool paranormal mysterious dudes".I literally said I preferred having a soldier with no dumb powers and just a special skill. Learn to read first, retard.

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>tfw only played through Act 2 for her

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Not to mention it would have made more sense for Big Boss to encounter Liquid since he was actually recruiting child soldiers in Africa in the 80's canonically.

and to add on my opinion nobody cares about MGSV is probably my most played singleplayer game. Top tier gameplay and ways to play.

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>make generic soldier in a generic outfit, so generic that he even has a bandana and an eyepatch
>becomes a beloved character
It's your fault for liking such a blank, shallow turd of a character.

I recently tried those repeat missions, and desu they were really fun.
It was thrilling being naked and had to procure weapons yourself.
From a gameplay perspective it was good but I can see why storyfags are disappointed.

You ARE playing as Big Boss, Venom Snake doesn't exist, it's a projection of Big Boss to himself. He's just pretending to himself that he's just someone else pretending to be Big Boss to cope with his PTSD and the death of Paz.

>no explanation about how Big Boss was able to rejoin the US Special Forces despite being undercover and wanted for war crimes by every nation on the planet including the US
Thanks Kojimer

He snuck in and gave the General a firm handshake so they hired him straight away

To be honest, you might as well think of any reason you can think of and call it canon.
What with all the retcons and some plotholes left unanswered, and some of the answered ones being: nanomachines or some magic shit, whatever you think of might as well be valid.

Secret ending is both a Metal Gear reference and Silent Hill 2 reference. The whole game was Kojima trying to drop the Snake figure and move on to Silent Hills.

Well, MGSV says that Zero didn't really hate Big Boss, so maybe he just acted as if he wanted to rejoin the Patriots or something.
At this point, MG1 and 2 have been retconned so much and those games had such loose focus on the story that they would need a remake.

Boomer firm handshake never fails.

>tfw remembering when you thought the end of this game would take place at the beginning of MG1 and playing as Solid Snake for his first mission
>tfw it turned out just to be the first mission all over again just with that dumb twist at the end
I think this game forever killed any hype I will ever have for new vidya even though I admittedly set my expectations too high.

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Woah, thanks for repeating the same shit for the 50th time.

Seeing MGSfag tears never gets old.
4 years and you are still crying about this crap game.
Completely deserved for shitting up Yea Forums with your LE NUCLEAR XDD threads for 3 years, you obnoxious fucks.
MGS will be forevered remembered as that garbage franchise that convinced failed movie directors to try their hand in videogames and flood the industry with crap like TLOU or Detroit.

The audio logs were the biggest mistake of this game in my opinion, I know people hated MGS4's cutscenes for some reason but more cutscenes would have benefitted this game immensely (especially the ones with Zero).
The audio logs just make it feel like there's little impact to the player at all.

>tfw remembering the hype over MGO3 coming out
I thought I'd finally get to experience the glory of MGO again

it's another "doppelganger is better than the original" episode !

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>You do know if the game had you kill kids the game would be instantly AO
False. You can kill the kids, it just gives you a game over.

You only think that MGSV is about that because you were expecting a game about “the downfall of Big Boss” when MGSV was never about that to begin with.

You already got his downfall in Snake Eater, holy shit. Peace Walker was beating Big Boss’ character, the franchise and Kojima’s weariness from being tired of making Metal Gear to a dead horse.

mgo3 was great aside from the infinite lag.

So you think YOU are better than the original Big Boss. No one cares, for the last time. Let it go.

youtube.com/watch?v=gj-tblkq1sI&feature=youtu.be forgot link

It's sort of normal.
Have you been to Yea Forums or Yea Forums? They're still arguing about Batman v Superman.
Yea Forums is Yea Forumssuka now, but they're still fighting over shonen shits like HxH and One Piece

This.
PW already undid the character development BB went through in MGS3 only to redo the entire thing again, to the point of mimicking him killing The Boss when he had to kill her horse.
Him rejecting the hand of the US politician and saluting The Boss is the proof that he did the opposite of what The Boss wanted him to.

>Play Japanese game.
>Not expecting the cringe Japanese plot twist.

>trying to get into Joost's pantsu
WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS!?

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Kojimbo wanted to be like all the cool Hollywood directors and fuck a starlet on the casting couch.
She wouldn't do it though cuz she's a good girl.
Now the joke is on both of them because Kojima is still trying to get his dick into a starlet and Joosten is broke and jobless because she didn't fuck the right people to get ahead.

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If that were true, Joosten would be broke, jobless and used by Kojima if she gave in.

Cucked Hideo. Hack denied pussy.

The way the series ended was clearly Kojima’s intention to fuck up with everything after the Konami incident.

It’s called “The Phanton Pain” for a reason.

He's got an easier prospect now though. I bet you he's balls deep in pic related right now

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>n-no, that was ALWAYS shit
Cope

Cope with what?
Star Wars has always been shallow and generic crap that wastes what made it different, it's universe.

doubt it. he is beta.

Only retards though

Implying Lea wouldn't grab his tiny balls and make him fuck her as she insults him for his small size

No guys, it is shit and always was SHIT
Seething

>literally no arguments
As expected.

>If you wanted a Big Boss game with an actual story worth his character, play Snake Eater.
Mgs3 was shit
>boo hoo hoo, muh mary sue who threw me off a bridge
>oh my god, you can blow up a food storage and the troops say some dialogue, this totes awesome!!

>no, thing is shit because i say so
Great argument, you get that from plebbit newfag?

No, I already said so, it's a shallow franchise with nothing new to tell, a generic story that does literally nothing new and a universe potentially full of wonders that's never explored and where most of the people are humans anyway.

how did you "love every minute" when the intro braindead gave it away and if you literally just forgot after putting the game down for a while they also constantly reference it in unskippable dialog even if you never listen to a tape

>no, thing is shallow because i say so

>u-u say so
Great defense of your dead franchise, millennial numale.

>anons assuming a lot a things about a character (Big Boss) from absolutely nothing (the Truth ending)
Why do I continue to go on this board when it’s full of morons?

But you're supposed to assume the games story. Kojimbo said so

That's one of the reasons I consider MGSV unnecessary. BB throwing Boss' bandana out in PW was enough to show how he'd become the man we see in later games.

99% of what Kojima supposedly said are asspulls of brain damaged MGS redditors, though.

No, it was told through MGS3's ending.
PW was completely unnecesary.

Give an example of said asspulls.

You’re not supposed to assume the story. Rather, you’re supposed to make up a story yourself.

>Didju rike it?

Well, for example, people constantly say that Kojima shat on Konami and what not when he hasn't spoken a single word about the incident.
The MGS fanbase is Yea Forums are not regular people, they are like hormonal teenagers in their period, people here spout complete and utter lies based entirely on the fact that they didn't like MGSV.
Which is why I will always be a supporter of banning all MGS, Death Stranding and Kojima related threads, because nothing of value is ever said, it's always spam of comments that have been written hundreds of times.

The MGS fanbase deserves to be wiped out of Yea Forums.
They've become worse and more obnoxious as the years pass to the point where you are even worse than bronies were back in 2011.

So, are MGS fans worse than Sonic fans to you at this point?

Yes.

Prove it, anime reaction face posting faggot.

Yeah, unfortunately it was a disappointment

his mark* on the world. chico was meant to be a skull

>BiBo: "Call me Snake."
>Huey: "Snake... that name sounds familiar somehow." BiBo: "Probably just deja vu." BiBo: "Call me Big Boss"
>Kaz: "Hey, Snake."
>Huey: "Snake"
>No one fucking cares about and minds people calling him "Snake", not even Big Boss himself

>The ingame context of Ground Zeroes calls BiBo "Snake" and never once "Big Boss" other than "once known as Big Boss"
>No one fucking cares about and minds this, not even Big Boss
>Just like Peace Walker, no one fucking cares about and minds people calling him "Snake", not even Big Boss himself despite him saying "Call me Big Boss"

>The character highlights (by that I mean "[Character]:

Venom Snake is the avatar.
The avatar is me.
Therefore, the avatar loves being Big Boss and being manipulated into being Big Boss because one, MGSV has rocking fantastic gameplay, even if shallow, and two, I said so.

Did you not look into the glass in the chopper and see your reflection wasn't snakes? Did you not do the dream missions that finally snapped you out of the hypnosis?

Yes, and that's supposed to be symbolic.
The tapes mention how they put him through surgery.

MALE

TO FEMALE

COPULATION

BURGER

Holy shit, its 2019 and you retards cant let this game go....

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THE MALE TO FEMALE COPULATION OF WOLBACHIA PARASITE

METALLIC ARCHEA

THE DINEH

*falls asleep*

To add on to that, the avatar is exactly like Big Boss and he's not a better man than Big Boss because I said so. After all, Big Boss can't be different from Big Boss to begin with since they're both Big Boss.
The avatar thinks that nukes rock because one, I have a bunch of nukes on my FOB and two, I said so.
The avatar thinks that dying to a missile that Solid Snake is going to fire rocks because I said so.
>Remember, he wanted it.
And I, and thus the avatar certainly did. Also, the avatar got to fuck Quiet because I said so as well. Checkmate, copulators.

source: my ass

this post is unreadable

code talkers tapes went on for so fucking long

>this post is unreadable
How so? Care to actually explain why it's unreadable? No one else complained about it being so.

The avatar also fucks me in bed because he's me, I have male power fantasies about sexualizing myself, I'm very insecure, and I said so.
:)

>wahhh why didn't I get to be edgy big boss mommy :(((
pathetic

>revenge feels fucking great
I forgot school just ended

>Kiefer voices Solid Snake in the Deja Vu mission within Ground Zeroes
So would Solid Snake also sound like Kiefer Sutherland according to Hideo Kojima?

>every night. i can feel it. phantom pain. why we are still here? just to suffer

more like why kojima always bait with fake mc?

>Who cares.
>Who cares.
>Who cares.
>Who cares.
>Who cares.
>Who cares.
This is what I thought as I read every single post on this thread. I am so ignorant about the bullcrap that people spew years after MGSV's release. Thank god I stopped bothering about MGSV a long time ago and never bothered about Death Stranding to begin with. Freeing myself from Kojima and it's autistic shitstorm that people call his "fanbase" was the best thing I ever did for myself.

>wake up looking like big boss
>dude we need to change your appearance lmao
>make an asian dude
>still look like big boss rest of the game
>implied that kaz is blind
>keeps doing shit like he's still able to see
It was a confusing game.

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I'm Boss.

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Kingdom of the Flies was inconsequential because even though they could have retcon'd DD's Motherbase as Outer Heaven, they didn't.

Chapter 3 was just a title card for the Nuclear Disarmament ending.
Seethe more.

Did the battle gear ever get put in the game in some meaningful function? Do you ever get to see it? I remember getting it but all I could do was send it out on missions, and I sort of lost interest after that.

Yep, but Kojima didn't give a shit, he just wanted to get rid of Hayter.

I mean there were those photos from when he tried to take her on a date, and there was that time she brought her bf on set.
Yeah, we don't know if they actually fucked or not though.

You see it but never get to use it. It was supposed to be a deployable vehicle and combat buddy like D Walker, but they never finished it and cut it for arbitrary reasons citing balance, because the game isn't already one sided as fuck.

>Chapter 3 was just a title card for the Nuclear Disarmament ending.
>Says bullshit without proof because the title coincidentally reads "PEACE"
I swear, MGS fans and Yea Forums are the worst.

She should get that mole checked out.
Looks malignant.

>I wanted to play this game as big boss, not some retard body double who had surgery to look like him.
imagine being this much of a brainlet, holy shit. There was no clone or body double or twin brother, you idiot. The devs literally spell it out for you. BiBo's mind is just fucked up.

The reason why the body double doesn't speak much is because you're supposed to fill in for him. Also, Kojima's love for Mad Max caused him to make the body double more focused on facial expressions rather than words as well.

I enjoy the series as a whole even PW and V. MGS 4 was my favorite.

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More like 'did you rike it?'

>BiBo

based

brainlets

So if he was on sissyhypno he'd think he was a girl? HOT

Mega ultra nega based brainlet.
Hey look, I can use buzzwords too while not having to explain anything!

>I am right, you are wrong.
>No, I'm right, you are wrong. Plenty of people think like and agree with me.
>I am right, you are wrong. Plenty of people think like and agree with me.
>No, I'm right, you are wrong.
>I am right, you are wrong. Plenty of people think like and agree with me.
>No, I'm right, you are wrong. No one thinks like me, but I swear, I'm right!
MGS threads will never cease to amaze me with stupidity from all sides.

this
mgs1 and 3 were good, everything else is kingdom hearts tier autismshit that gets away with it due to its wartime setting and the memes surrounding the games

Yeah, but the script implies you get to kill him in a cutscene, because Chico asks Snake to kill him, it doesn't imply a boss fight and if anything actually seems to deny the idea of a boss fight, which sucks.

I feel like the only good posts on tis thread are some of the good gameplay suggestions and ideas like Usually the reason why these threads are garbage is because of lorefags.
It's just the people ranting about the plot and "muh meaning" that's usually the reason these threads go downhill.

Welcome to the MGS Fanbase
Worse than Elder Scrolls and Sonic combined.
Any intelligent well-meaning people get drowned in a sea of mediocrity.

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I mean I liked TPP but it did leave a void, the idea of venom snake is pretty gud
BUT WHY THE FUCK WAS THE CENTRAL AMERICA MAP CUT, I WANNA SEE MY SHITHOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF ITS CIVIL WAR BETWEEN GOMMIES AND GOVERNMENT
Also
I WAS BORN IN A SMALL VILLAGE

Which is weird, considering in the concept art there is one of Chico in Diamond Dogs uniform.
I think it was just another case like Quiet, where you'd be able to either kill him or fulton him and make him a buddy or something.
After all, it's weird how among buddies we lack one that is just a regular soldier.

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>BUT WHY THE FUCK WAS THE CENTRAL AMERICA MAP CUT
What the fuck are you talking about?

Some dudes were digging through the game's files with some modding tool or some shit and found a cut map that was supposed to be set in Guatemala, that and the supposed promised return to camp Omega

Link?

I think that's what is making me skeptical about the script's authenticity, either that or it was a script with last minute changes or something.
A lot of things don't make sense, things like Episode 51 and Code Talker's "Eyes on Kazuhira" dialogue are missing. If true, this script is probably either incomplete, or a lot of other stuff were improvised. It could be fake since it came from reddit and I doubt that website when it comes to leaks or anything really. Especially when it comes to the MGS fanbase on reddit. They are worse than the Yea Forums one.

What's also weird is that his concept art has a shitload of improvised hunting weaponry and for him to not use it in a boss fight against Snake seems kinda stupid. I wish he turned out to be part of the Buddy system and maybe implemented to be one of the bosses you fight in MG1 and MG2 or something like that (though that would take a massive retcon). Kojima keeps introducing new characters and then just kinda forgets they exist.

brainlet

Source on the Central America map being cut? First time I hear of it.

daily reminder that if you hate MGSV it's your fault and only YOUR fault. You read too much fanfiction about impossible things to happen, just like gray fox and zero's major roles, or a literally MG1 remaster included in MGSV. You overhyped yourself with "B-BUT BIG BOSS WAS EVIL!!1!" even when MGS4 proved the contrary. You even believed that a head transplant was a ruse made by Kojima. Blame yourself you overhyped faggots.

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Is Phantom Pain a good game to just play for gameplay or is it integral that you know the story? I did play Ground Zeroes a while back, but really don't feel like learning some convoluted story about politics.

What is your fav mission(s)? Mine is where do the bees sleep and the mfinda oil refinery one

No one else replied or event read it either. Cause it's unreadable and reeks of autism.

Did Venom have feelings for her? Or did he just use her?

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Just play it. If you like it you'll probably want to play the other games too, but if you looked at a wiki before that you spoiled a lot of stuff for yourself.

*AHEM*

OLD SNAKE BEST SNAKE

I prefer what they went with: a scenario of "What if Big Boss realised what is happening to him, and tried to actually pull back from the madness and become a legend." This, plus it's obvious that Kojima intended to retcon the story, since Phantom Pain, especially the last dialogue between Kaz and Ocelot, make the events of MG1 and MG2 impossible to happen.

That's what you think. I clearly stated the point in the most concrete way possible.
>No one cares if people call Big Boss "Snake" despite the fact that he said "Call me Big Boss".
>Sometimes, "Snake" as a name for Big Boss used for meta jokes
>"Snake" is only a meta name for Big Boss ever since [the end of] Snake Eater
>It is not an actual, canonical name after [the end of] Snake Eater
>If Snake is not an actual, canonical name for Big Boss after [the end of] Snake Eater, then Venom Snake is not an actual, canonical name for his phantom.
How unreadable and autistic is this, you nigger?

Venom is a good person who realizes he needs to purge the evil within him. Notice that all of the companions that he recruited are loyal, while those recruited by BB are all conniving.

That...doesn’t....
What?
Why go with the Demon motifs then?

>Episode 51
Kingdom of the Flies was never finished, so it's obvious why it is never mentioned in the leaked translation script. The subtitles for the sequence were never finished and thus cut from the script because neither was the sequence itself. Simple.
>"Eyes on Kazuhira" dialogue
OK, you have a point on how strange it is for the script to have that missing.
>fake since it came from reddit
Who would take all the time to fake perfect native Japanese and Taiwanese, including developer, writer and producer comments? It's certainly real, at least to me.

This is what he goes for initially, since he sees himself as ONLY Big Boss, there is no internal development. By the end he outright states that he wants to exercise the demon witihin.

>Notice that all of the companions that he recruited are loyal, while those recruited by BB are all conniving.
Venom was in charge of Outer Heaven while Naked was away doing FOXHOUND shit though, too, which means that he made recruits in Outer Heaven. Since they were conniving, as evidenced by MG1, it's obvious that Venom became evil and accepted his demon, making conniving recruits like BB.

Simple as that, nignog.

The events of MGSV, especially the last dialogue between Kaz and Ocelot, make MG1 impossible to happen. Kojima was going for a retcon.

Oh. It’s a translation script. Okay that makes more sense. I thought it was the actual script translated by a fan. So I get Episode 51 being missing now.

Yeah I don’t get the Eyes on Kazuhira thing being missing. It’s weird. Unless it was a line that was improvised or something. It’s still very off.

You have a point about the comments. I didn’t think that through because the software I am using to view it didn’t show me the whole thing. I zoomed out a bit and saw the full thing including the comments and I can see why it’d be harder to fake. Unless some native Japanese and Thai speaker made this to fuck with the fanbase but that seems more unlikely.

>By the end he outright states that he wants to exercise the demon witihin.
If you're talking about the nuclear disarmament ending, that's completely optional and whether it's canon or not doesn't matter.

Want to believe that ending is canon? Go ahead. I don't, since I think he accepted his demon, but since the story is yours to write given that Kojima is a hack, you go think that he wanted to drive it out. Fair enough?

How?

But in Episode 51 he sees himself as a demon after nuking the island he was on. That seems contradictory to your claims.

>Plant your roots in me
>I will always be with you

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>Kojima was going for a retcon.
No, he was tired of making Metal Gear for since MGS2 and this time, he really got tired and said that MGSV is the last Metal Gear game he will make, once and for all. No further games, no remakes, no bullcrap, no anything.

That "last dialogue between Kaz and Ocelot" thus means nothing since one goal of MGSV is to not retcon anything to avoid making more games. Stop trying to make a whole load of something out of nothing. That goes for rest of you morons. Face reality and facts, and accept both like a wise man would.

Best realistic way to answer to the cliffhanger in Kaz and Ocelot's conflict is that Kaz simply gave up trying to make Venom better because of a fallout, given that Kaz himself is nowhere to be seen in Metal Gear 1.

Looks like I'm right so far, seeing that no one has flung shit at what I said, assuming that my post actually made sense while being sensible.

As for myself, I don't think there will be an argument where everybody agrees, so dare I win or lose the battle, I don't care.

Looks like I'm right so far, seeing that no one has flung shit at what I said, assuming that my post actually made sense while being sensible.

As for myself, I don't think that on Yea Forums, or even anywhere else, there will be an argument related to the matter of the last 10-20 posts about Snake a.k.a. Big Boss, Snake's phantom and the lore, so whether I win or lose the battle, I don't care anymore.

>Error: You can not delete posts this often.
Pardon my obsessive rephrasing.

Fuck this, I'm not going to repeat the same sentences I've been trying to say to make another correction.
>Snake's phantom and the lore where everybody agrees, so whether I win or lose the battle, I don't care anymore
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Perhaps you should actually
>READ your posts
READ your posts
before posting them instead of wasting replies reserved for potential discussion for the sake of fixing one fucking error

>potential discussion
This thread is full of non-discussion. In other words, pure shit crapped out from angry lorefaggots that is perfectly explained by .
I fear that we will never get a successful thread on Yea Forums about discussing MGS gameplay ever again either, after the shitstorm of MGSV and the mediocrity of MGO3.