Who do you honestly think is the least deserving 3rd Party Smash newcomer?

>Joker
>MegaTen
Nah, its a Persona rep, if they wanted a proper rep for the mother franchise there were much better choices, but less shilled.

It's between Joker and Bayonetta. The other third party characters have been the faces of entire genres, carried consoles, or have some kind of iconic status.

fify

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Joker. I legitimately thought they meant the Batman villain at first, because literally who is he?

Popular choices in the "we are getting a female rep" camp, but nothing else.

The sad part is, a Resident Evil character is really likely, but Jill only has a 40% chance of getting over Leon right now.

>confirmed 3rd parties
>Jill and Kasumi

it's still really fucking stupid that bayonetta is in smash. I love her and her games, but she really doesn't deserve it at all

Jill has never had any chance of getting in over Leon, he's the one with the most recent game, he's the most popular protagonist, and he'd sell more.
Why are waifufags so delusional?

Kasumi is the mascot of Tecmo, a Company that has stronger ties with Nintendo than any of these other companies with the exception of Sega

>le deserved spot argument in 2019

Bayo 2 was one of the bigger console sellers the wii u actually had. That and MH3U. Smash was good but realistically hardcore smash fans are generally pretty into nintendo and already owned the console.

Fucking cope more Leonfag

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And yet she's not confirmed you insane waifufag.

>Kasumi
>Jill

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To be honest, Snake was the most undeserving back in the day because he was so realistically human compared to everyone else and came from an M rated game. But he's still got in and was the 1st 3rd party character that nobody even asked for and still set the standard for the rest of 3rd parties. Absolute fucking Chad.

>Jill is the mascot of Resident Evil - a screenshot from some random website

>white knighting Sakurai in 2019

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One of the few Nintendo "exclusive" 3rd party characters
One can argue it belongs more than 90% of those characters with no current games on Nintendo systems

Fixed your shit image
The right answer is also Joker, every other character has some undeniable relationship to Nintendo's history in some way, Joker doesn't

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how do you get me being a white knight for Sakurai from that?
Sakurai is a fucking idiot, too.

Couldn't they just put them both like with the DQ heroes?

Yes just like Joker is the mascot of Shin Megami Tensei and not Jack Frost

>b-bro I was only pretending to worship Smash bros and Sakurai

Bayo made it simply because it was the only third party franchise Nintendo had during the Wii-U era.

I'd argue Richter has weaker ties than Simon and Trevor, but he's more or less the most popular Belmont.

Banjo.
Bayo at least had a game to promote.

change Joker's series to Persona, that's just shit fucking reaching for OP to do.
>a character from a series that was a spinoff of another series that started on NES, totally makes sense.
fuck off

Kill yourself waifufag
Stop posting these dumbass bait images, Banjo already blew you the fuck out due to being a western character

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>least deserving
Easily Cloud, but I also bought the game mostly because he is in it.

i like joker but it really should have been jack frost or something.

I legit never mentioned Sakurai once in my post.
Using the "deserved spot" argument is fucking stupid, because we have shit like Corrin and Dark Pit. Guess who okayed them being in the game? Oh yeah, the guy you claim I'm sucking off! Funny how things become clearer when you have a working brain!

Cloud finally has got an excuse to be there now that FFVII got a Nintendo port

> Japanese twitter guy that predicted Hero's name and no female alts back in December 2018 claims to have information on a new female fighter through his friend Mr. H (Hasshi)
> Mr. H claims that the female character looks like a fighting game character and she uses projectiles
> MR. H has not seen a full model of the character but rather only a 3D model where the face wasn't able to be seen.
> Japanese twitter guy believes that the character is already represented by either a spirit or AT in smash (so already a series) But it sounds like he's just speculating
> Japanese twitter guy wants to give his friend Mr. H the benefit of the doubt because he knew about Hero. Keep in mind that Japanese twitter guy has said recently he's super unsure about this and all of these leaks are from Mr. H.
> Pic Related is what the leaker confirmed the Projectile weapon is like
Seethe more, Kasumi is essentially a lock at this point

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Don't really know why and don't care that much about RE, but the first thing I think of when I think of RE is almost always Wesker.
It's probably the glasses

Definitely Bayo
>Jill
>Kasumi
the fuck are you talking about?

Imagine being obsessed enough to make this instead of simply ignoring the posts like any normal human being

Thats kinda what I was thinking. Four Jill alts and four Leon alts. I don't think any RE fans would complain.

That hardly makes him deservin, also:
>DoA
>RE
I fucking wish

Gotta let other people know to not give mentally retarded people attention, just helping out the community.

based
fuck gamefaqs

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Anyone who goes out of their way to make this is easily worse than the person they are complaining about.

Bayo feels like she belongs in PSASBR
She just looks out of place

>random "jap" from fucking Twitter
>your entire post is riddled with your leaker saying how he himself isn't very sure about said leaks
>posting literal clip art as a character leak
>still calling a character being drawn from assumptions from a leak by a LITERAL who from Twitter a lock
You're actually retarded. Like, seriously, you're a fucking idiot.

They'd complain about no Chris and Claire

Ah yes. Let me compile a screenshot of this guy's posts to inform everyone not to pay attention to his posts.

I was planning on making this a while back and i'm glad to see i'm not the only one who noticed this

I'm fine with sinking with the ship then.

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I’d honestly be totally fine with Kasumi not only cause she represents another fightan franchise like Ryu does, but also cause of how much she’d make RetardERA fags seethe.

On that note, I see tons of people push Terry, and even Nakoruru as SNK’s character, but wouldn’t Mai Shiranui make WAY more sense?

Kasumi.

Literally who the fuck likes Dead or Alive? Especially when we could have a Tekken, Soul Calibur, Mortal Kombat, Darkstalkers or even a fucking Killer Instinct Rep instead.

He is the most iconic FF character no matter how overrated FFVII might be.

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>Joker
>MegaTen
That's like saying Raidou would be a MegaTen rep. Wouldn't have been as bothered about Joker if his moveset wasn't so fucking boring.

You posted the wrong characters

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I think how iconic a character is should be top priority

What about Mai Shiranui?

She’s the only SNK character that remotely makes sense, as she’s the one that’s actually iconic and popular.

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>a female Capcom rep in a fighting game
>its not Chun Li or Morrigan
laughable.

Japan since Microsoft went out of their way to use Kasumi to promote the Xbox in Japan

Why? Aren't you hurting yourself in the long run, if you want any characters yourself that can be considered non iconic subjectively and/or objectively? You just basically be limiting yourself for what you want and can possibly get if you want only the "iconic," characters.

She’d be better than Kasumi. But Terry Bogard is more iconic, pleb.

>voting for Sonic
The absolute zoomer

Mai has appeared in more crossovers than any video game character, including Ryu & Mario

generation Z was not even alive when Sonic was relevant.

Source?

Metal Slugger
Blasts into battle!

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Didn't say only, just that it should be a higher priority
Basically the top two things for characters should be iconicness and variety

>Highest selling entry is DOA3 on the OG Xbox

Oh nononono

why would that matter

So did you.

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>Chun Li
Two SF characters is already more than enough

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These would be good choices but they're going with Tracer

Link to that source? I would like to see the actual website your image comes from so I can see which games each character was in.
Images like that can be pretty easily fabricated so I'd like to see things for myself

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Why would you put in a bunch of existing reps but add Kasumi and Jill Valentine? The fuck?

Anyways, Joker is the least deserving followed by Cloud. Zero immediate relevance to Nintendo. They're both part of greater franchises that have relevance to Nintendo, but they personally don't. They got in because of pure shock value.

Retard. You're talking about SMT. SMT and all other spin-off are under MT.

I love Terry, but Mai has a lot more prominence, and had been in more crossovers than Terry. Also, afaik, she’s been around for as long as he has.

I'd quit Smash if they put that queer in. OW is too much of a flavor of the year game. They'd be more reasonable to put a League character in.

I think that out of ANY fighting game franchise, Mai has the best chances out if anyone. She’s the only one who stands out as being both unique AND iconic. The rest of the IP have either fairly standard karate men, or shoto-clones. OR their characters are just not iconic enough. KoF and SNK are big enough to merit a character, and Mai is iconic and popular enough to serve as the company rep, bringing Terry, Nakoruru, Haomaru, Kyo, and Metal Slug Mii Costumes, and a KoF stage with her.

Lets also not forget that KoF is Sakurai’s favorite fighting game, with Smash taking some inspiration from it in the mechanics.

I could definitely see Mai happening desu.

Cloud is an iconic character at least. Joker is from a 2016 ps4 game that sold worse than Arms

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mai_Shiranui
> giantbomb.com/mai-shiranui/3005-182/games/
Go onto these two websites & count the number of appearences for Mai that isn't called "King of Fighters". Afterwards do that for every other character on that list

Really? Nintendo would work with Activision but NOT put in Crash? That's dumb. There's dozens of Activision characters they'd sooner put in than anyone from Overwatch.

Man, this really seals it. Mai has been in more crossovers than KOS-MOS AND Ryu. I can 100% see Mai happening desu.

Would have much preferred Jack Frost or an actual SMT protag

I cant believe Sakurai did it... the perfect roster...

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I counted at least 70 games for Mai, wherever you got that list it's clearly not accurate

>They're both part of greater franchises that have relevance to Nintendo, but they personally don't.
They both got in as reps for their respective franchises. Joker was definitely not the best choice but there is no more iconic FF character than Cloud

Mai won't happen. Terry or maybe Kyo or Geese could happen, but there's no way they'll put Mai in

Crash would be kino

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> Source: My Ass

>They both got in as reps for their respective franchises

If that was the case then why doesn't that match their content? The stage/music for Cloud is specifically FFVII only, and Joker only has Persona 3/4/5 stuff. I guess there's the chocobo Mii outfit but otherwise there's nothing that references the rest of FF, and Joker has nothing for MT/SMT.

> Wanting a Female character is considered "WaifuFag"
Why is Yea Forums so fucking retarded

Everyone here's just a faggot that's seething about the fact that p5 isn't on person. The real one is fucking Ken. Why the fuck would his rival need to be in and a literal fucking clone at that. Richter is a close second.

You wanna try that post again?

KOS-MOS has only been included in 8 crossovers, she's not nearly as shilled as people have lead you to believe.

They censored Bayonetta and even Corrin. Mai literally has her tits and ass on full display and they'd have to entirely redesign her. Don't be a retard

There's no point in complaining about echos when Dark Pit and Chrom exist

Don't give me false hope, Mai bros...

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Why?

She’s significantly more iconic than Terry, Kyo, and Geese, having appeared in way more games than any of them, as well as constantly being referenced in other media.

Dumb NPC who needs characters to market things to him in order to like them

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>p5 isn't on person
Regardless of the fact that that doesn't make sense, Jack Frost would've been a much more deserving rep since he represents the entire franchise. If they were gonna go with a protagonist, I'd prefer something like Raidou or a mainline protag (could've even did the DQ thing and include a bunch of them including joker) they should've made a moveset around summoning demons, even if it's as simple as each B attack having a demon pop up and attack

>they censored Bayonetta
Yeah, in that she doesn’t get naked anymore.
>Corrin
In what way?

At best they’d tame Mai down a bit, but she’s perfectly suitable for Smash, especially as DLC.

see

>DoA 6
>SNK Heroines
>DoA 5
>KOF X Garou Densetsu
>Brave Frontier
>Queen's Gate: Spiral Chaos
>Garou Densetsu vs. Fighter's History Dynamite
>SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters DS
>Warrior Kings: Battles
>SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom
>Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000
>Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium
>SNK Gals Fighters
>SNK vs. Capcom: Match of the Millennium
>SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighter's Clash - SNK & Capcom Version
>300 Heroes
That's 16. No fucking clue where you're getting 45 from.

>Jill instead of Leon, the responsible for putting RE in the map back in 2004
Hilarious that you think that

Smash isn't a Fighting game.

>Rosterfagging has been reduced to waifufaggotry
Hilarious

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Bare legs. They gave her tights

See
SNK Heroines and KoF are both T rated, and Japan doesn’t have the same aversion to sex the west does. Plus, DLC is not rated. Mai has much chances of happening than fucking Doomguy or Scorpion, or some of the other shit that gets passed around. You only need to tame Mai a little, especially her boob jiggle. Whereas someone like Doomguy would have one of his most iconic traits (extreme violence) removed from his character. Mai works just fine, as Smash already has tons of sexy girls.

Probably including all the Fatal Fury and KoF games, there's probably 30 of them all in all

Literally go under Other Games & Guest/Cameo appearences you fucking retard. Their are at least 45 from her guest cameo section on Wikipedia alone

Bayonetta is more iconic than Joker famalam
Neither one deserves to be in

> FEMALE CHARACTER BAD
> MALE CHARACTER GOOD

Nice try

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>tfw you like all of them and don't care which gets in

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Isn’t Mai also considered SNK’s mascot? It baffles me people were putting Nakoruru over her in older threads.

Yes, she was chosen to represent SNK in Dungeon Fighter Online, which is a 12 Billion dollar game & the 4th highest grossing game of all time

mgs first game wasnt on nes first. except that, this image is right. Sonic is Mario’s “rival”, Pacman is part of the classic gaming trifecta alongside Mario and Tetris, Ryu and Ken are he representatives of the fighting genre which spawned smash, the most successful fighting game ever.
Bayonetta is basically Nintendo property at this point.

Joker is the only outsider, he doesnt represent smt, he represents persona.
And he is obnoxious to fight against. Fuck that twink.

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>Dazzle Dance
>Yuyan Online
>Dungeon Fighter Online
>Mad Blade
>Kal Kal Kal All Together
>Wizardry Online
>The King of Solider II
>Ultimate Heroes
>Fantasy Fighter
>King of Fate
>Dragon Throne: Battle of Red Cliffs
>Black Desert Online
>Wangzhe Rongyao
>Game of Dice
>Samurai Kingdom
>23 other games I was too lazy to list
Alright, now the list goes way over 45 crossovers. However, the fact that is wrong makes me doubt that she's actually the most popular crossover character when people like Mario and Ryu exist. I want to dig deeper into this

>switch
Happy now faggots? And I think they're treating this as persona alone not smt. So joker was definitely the best pick when it comes to persona protagonists. It would have been better if they did the skins of the protagonists but I think they fight differently enough to not be able to pull that off despite them making joker's knife almost as long as a fucking sword.

Those are from Nintendo ips. I'm saying they made a deal for another 3rd party character and for some reason felt the need for it to be another character from a series that already has a character and it's a fucking clone one at that.

Is because patternfags think that there is no way that there will be 4 and a half male characters in the Fighter Pass so they are looking for potential candidates for a female character spot

Say hello to Terry the best SNK mascot with his pet monkey.

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Lets give a rough estimate & say that Mai has 60 crossovers. Me & you can dig deeper into this and post a conclusive list later

>And I think they're treating this as persona alone not smt
Which is dumb as fuck considering not a single mainline Persona title is on a Nintendo platform. There's only Persona Q 1/2 which are basically reskinned Etrian Odyssey games.

No real need. You've made your point pretty damn clear. Even if she isn't the most crossed over character there is, the specifics don't really matter, because she's still been crossed over a fuckton.

So assuming Censorship can be fixed by a simple redesign, is Mai the most likely newcomer at this point?

Yeah, I was just reading up on her Wiki article. She’s had an absurd number of cameos and appearances, from Mobile games, to Black Desert Online... she’s regarded as one of the most iconic characters in fighting games, right behind Ryu and rivaling Chun-Li. And is up there with Lara Croft, Samus, and Jill Valentine as one of the most popular and iconic female characters in gaming.

If anyone deserves the spot, especially for SNK, it’s 100% Mai.

>they're treating this as persona alone
Which is what makes him such a shit pick. I don't mind characters that are not on nintendo consoles but they better be fucking world beaters. Persona is a pretty irrelevant franchise in the grand scheme of things. Give me Kratos or Master Chief instead.

Not at all, but if we were to get an SNK rep, she'd definitely be a top contender.

Reminder that everyone said Bayo wouldn't get in for being too sexy.

She's IN.

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She isn't, at all

Seethe harder, your shitty VN isn't nearly as popular as you'd like to think

Not him. I’m not sure if she’s the “most likely” but she’s got a lot going for her. She’s no doubt deserving, and would be very well received not just in Japan, but all of Asia. She’s incredibly popular.

If rumors are to believed the next character is female, I’d put my money on Mai over anyone else.

Lets also not forget that KoF is Sakurai’s favorite character. So she’s a very logical choice all things considered.

Also, lol at the people saying Kasumi, a character whose character design was inspired by and reference to Mai due to how iconic she is.

If the next character is “from a fighting game” and/or “female,” it’s almost certainly Mai I’d say. She’s the only one who can stand up in terms of popularity and “iconicness” to characters like Ryu, MegaMan, Cloud, Sonic, Banjo, etc... and the only one popular enough to still be a hype pick, especially from Asian fans.

its going to be geralt of rivia. you guys are blind not to see it, hes popular, a hero, and his games comming to switch. hes gonna be awesome. you guys will only be blindsided by his announcement cause you refuse to pay attention.

P5 has sold more than every Bayonetta release combined

Kasumi is only in the conversation because Tecmo doesn't have a rep yet & they stated they wanted her in the game. But yeah Mai is iconic as fuck

I'd say at this stage there is no such thing as a likely character with there only being two slots left and all, but if I had to bet on a character it would probably be Leon.

So basically a Jill & Leon combo like they did with the Dragon Quest characters?

True, but SNK also doesn’t have a character either, and they’re just as significant to gaming as KT, if not more.

>KoF is Sakurai’s favorite character

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I can see the RE character being Jill/Leon actually. Question is, would Sakurai do that? He’s a bit autistic about that shit.

Terry Bogard is SNK's mascot. There is no way they'd let Nintendo put Mai in instead of him. Plus Mai is even worse than Bayo in terms of sexual tones. Bayo is subtle while Mai is out there.

I meant to say fighting game. My thoughts just got ahead of my typing.

>sales argument
throw away but pokemon and mario

Can I see where you're getting your numbers from? I can't seem to find consistent data for Bayonetta's sales numbers.

I just wanted an excuse to post that.

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>Megaten rep
>only has Persona content

Stop this shit

He’s not. It’s literally Mai. Terry is the MC, but Mai is the character everyone remembers, and the one that always gets media appearances and crossovers.

It'd probably be a lot harder since they don't have the same body types like the DQ heroes do.

China is the largest Country in the world, look at this picture on how much Mai dwarves Sonic in terms of popularity.

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This

Bayonetta and to a lesser extent Joker
P3 MC or the Demifiend should've at been there to represent a MT series

Bayonetta is straight up forced marketing by Nintendo since they claimed their waifu, Kamiya for themselves.

you sound like a dork

Much subtlety indeed.

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You're the one who brought up popularity first user

Banjo
Him and his whole 2 games
That and bayo
Literal whos

>all the Bayo hating retards itt
She's basically Nintendo first party at this point and they have a close working relationship with platinum, the best hack n slash/character action game devs in the industry
Also her inclusion in smash made the game sell like another million+ units
What would be extremely retarded, however, is if they even considering adding Dante. Zero relationship with ninty

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>2 games
5 games

*meant to say her inclusion made bayo 2 sell another million units

Dante still has more of a Ninty relationship than Joker.

lol

I fucking hate demifiend fags, just because nocturne is the only smt you've played wouldn't make him a good pick, he's the opposite of a good pick, he's the one mainline smt protagonist from a sony exclusive game in a series filled with mostly nintendo games, just about any of them would be better choices. Popularity isn't a good enough reason either since smt iv was more popular than nocturne.

When the dlc was picked he didn't

Joker has two, soon to be three games with nintendo. Nintendo also has a huge history with Atlus, and Joker is the most recognizable SMT rep, so it makes sense to choose him. Also, again, promoting future games (P5S)
you dumb bro

Zoom zoom

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>a fucking Musou and Etrian Odyssey ripoff
It's fucking nothing

The fighting game will probably come to switch as well

I hope we get a Devil Summoner rep, a Digital Devil Saga rep, and a Megami Tensei rep then

>Joker is the most recognizable SMT rep
Most people who recognize Joker don't even know what SMT is

I know nothing about that one. Is it Megaten, just Persona, or just P5?

you're still missing the whole Atlus point, my friend
cope

I'm still kinda upset we didn't get any Persona 1 or 2 acknowledgement. Just a song would have been enough to make me happy
youtube.com/watch?v=O8wZfpI_QgE

Persona IS an SMT game. Lol, zoomers everyone

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Kinda both Persona and just P5 at the same time, most likely. Nothing's announced but I think it's confirmed P5 Arena is gonna be a thing, and P4 Arena had a few P3 characters. I'm praying we get the P1/2 protags as DLC

Atlus deserves a rep. They have an extremely long history on Nintendo platforms, to the point they've even done entire crossover collaboration games.

Considering this, please name the Atlus character that is most exciting to as many people as possible. Not to you, but to as many people as possible.

If you said Demifiend or Jack Frost, you'd be wrong, as Joker is far more recognisable to the general public than either of those two.

It hasn't been announced officially yet so we don't know, but they have registered a url for it and the blazblue crosstag director has mentioned a future persona fighting game so it is happening.

Keep on misusing that word. Trust me, I'd much rather Raidou or Aleph or someone, but most P5 fans don't even know Persona 1 and 2 exist let alone the rest of the megaten series

Blizzard’s rep would be Arthas or Diablo

I don't think appeal to the general public is that important, what is important is appeal to the smash/nintendo crowd. and Jack Frost probably has more appeal on that front

Also I would argue that no Atlus game actually appeals to the general public

I'd prefer a creative deep cut

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Out of confirmed characters, Joker. He's an absolute shill-pick, made all the more hilarious by the fact that Atlus decided not to port P5 to Switch.

i dislike him, but at least his moveset is creative

Fucking this
Who gives a fuck about joker

Will Kasumi being added into Smash unironically cause Yea Forums to Crash? Like i cannot think of a bigger BTFO character then her, since she makes Westernfags & Weebs seethe

it's about doing a solid for a long partnered company and keeping/building relationships
see also:
DQ11, square enix
Banjo, microsoft
and like half the dlc pics from smash 4

it's favor for favor, third party devs get promotion for games and nintendo gets more third party support in the future

>Kasumi
did i fucking miss something?

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How is he a shill pick, what game is he even shilling, p5 isn't even coming to switch, it's not like DQ where the second after the reveal trailer they were showing off DQ11 on switch

>what is important is appeal to the smash/nintendo crowd. and Jack Frost probably has more appeal on that front
You vastly overestimate Jacks relevance to Smash audience.

I guarantee you even if you just counted Smash fans BEFORE Ultimate, more would know Joker than know Jack.

Persona 5 is a multi-million seller.

So because Nintendo needs to prop up it's failing marriage with Atlus, that suddenly makes Joker a great pick that I should like? Give me a break. I understand the basic reasoning behind him getting picked, I just think it's not good enough.

She's the mascot of Tecmo & they don't have a rep yet, literally only reason why people think she will be in

According to these Jokerfags that should make her a hard lock.

It unironically does make her one of the most likely newcomers

i see, thanks
but no thanks.
call me a retard, but i don't want realisticdesigned characters in a cartoon fighter. yse snake was a mistake

>She's the mascot of Tecmo
No way, not by a country mile

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Thanks, I hate it!

>kasumi and jill
never ever faggot

I just wanted Bayo in 4 to spite "too sexy 4 Smash" fags
If I knew Sakurai was going to bring EVERYONE back, I'd never support her including. Guess the monkey's paw really is a thing.

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>failing marriage with Atlus
They've made 12 games for nintendo consoles in the last 5 years, dude, right, totally failing

Kasumi is never getting in before Mai.

I feel like we have way better choices than a literally DOA on release rep

Yes, accept it Nostalgiafag. She's the mascot by every single metric
> Billboards Advertising the Xbox: Kasumi (1) > Hayabusa (0)
> Crossovers: Kasumi (18) > Hayabusa (3-5)
> Sales: Dead or Allive (10 Million) > Ninja Gaiden (7 Million)

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Joker should've been jack frost and bayonetta should've been wonder red

Not over Mai it does not. Kasumi is a Mai lock, Mai is WAYYY more iconic and popular, especially in Asia. SNK doesn’t have a character either, and KoF is a favorite game of Sakurai’s.

Kasumi CAN’T be in when Mai exists.

>Mai clone*
Fuck, what’s wrong with me today?

These, Kasumi isn't getting added before Mai unless Tecmo literally offered Nintendo some exclusive Deal that they couldn't pass up

Asking for jack frost over Joker is like asking for a moogle over Cloud

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>it's favor for favor, third party devs get promotion for games and nintendo gets more third party support in the future
This is not why they do the DLC.

The DLC is third parties because that allows for the greatest profit margin on that content specifically, allows the profits to be shared among rights holders as agreed more easily, and because third parties are simply more inherently exciting due to their context to the audience.

There is never and has never been a promise of "more third party support", though sure, yeah, it does help their relations with those specific third parties, like any partnership would.

Waifufags were a mistake

It's more like asking for a Slime over Erdrick
which was actually fairly common

> Wanting a female character & not another generic male faggot makes you a "Waifufag"
Why are you autists so obsessed with your meaningless buzzwords when the mascot of this fucking website is a Japanese Manga character for fuck sakes

Im not a waifufag. My most wanted character is Banjo and I got him. Mai is literally a prediction, because like Yuusha, she makes a fuckton of sense given how significant of an icon she is, especially in Asia.

She's in

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Fair enough. How about he uses a jack frost logo instead of the phantom thieves emblem? And maybe some demon assist trophies.

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If we get a female character it's going to be Mai or Jill Valentine, nobody else has a chance

Amaterasu is my sleeper pick, but she's hardly a waifufag character.

Explain how that statement is relevant

Amateratsu could happen if we get a Bayonetta 2 situation where Nintendo funds a sequel

>Paranoid in Smash Bros
hell yeah

That would have been better desu

Okami already had a sequel on DS

I agree. No one even comes close to being as memorable and iconic as those two.

If we get a fighting game character, it’s 100% Mai.

Not Terry, not Heihachi, not Scorpion. Mai is the iconic one. He’s literally right behind Ryu in terms of popularity/iconography.

Sapkowski wouldn't let this happen

>DIgital devil saga rep
Not originally a video game and Atlus doesn’t have the rights to it anymore

I never thought I would say this in my life, but have sex incel

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>People want the fucking Zero Suit Ninja of the King of Fighters series in Smash Bros
>Yea Forums seethed when Tifa got her tits censored
>Mai would be, normally, the bustiest character in Smash Bros
>You expect no alterations what so ever when the ESRB exists

MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MINDS NIGGERS. The last two are going to be shit just because you niggers can't just have low expectations so you cannot get disappointed. Banjo was just Nintendo being nice. They are not your friends. Joker proved this.

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>this is what jill/maifags actually believe

Yea Forums is not the same person, just so you know
But thanks for the feedback!
Please Come Again!

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>Nintendo literally said they wouldn’t censor games
>adding Mai would be a huge middle finger to Sony, and gain Nintendo a lot of favor with gamers
>ESRB
>rating DLC
>Japan
>giving a fuck when there are nude girls plastered on the pages of WSJ every other week
Mai’s sexuality is less of an obstacle than people pretend it is. She’s one of the few characters left that would generate a lot of hype from many people. She’s like KOS-MOS except people actually know who she is and care about her.

>she makes a fuckton of sense
Not while Sakurai is trying to keep his A CERO rating that is

DLC doesn’t affect game ratings retard.

>Nintendo literally said they wouldn’t censor games
Third party games, yeah. Smash is first party, so them pulling a Mythra/Camilla on Mai if she gets in is 99% likely

> China is the largest country in the world with over 1.4 Billion people
> Mai Shiranui is more popular in China then Mario, who is often considered the most iconic character in gaming history
> Implying Mai isn't going to be in Smash if we get a female newcomer
Westernfags need to kill themselves

Don't care about your post, faggot

The fact this whole convo is based on some niggers basely rumor after ALL LEAKERS PRIOR TO BANJO got BTFO to the end of time because no one could safely put Banjo as a lock over Steve, proves no one knows fucking SHIT. The fact this rumor happened CONVINENCELY after Banjo/Hero, proves it's bullshit. You don't just "find out" more DLC that was already finalized a whole year ago. People didn't even fucking know Joker was going to be in and that's the first fucking DLC pick.

No more baseless rumors. The last two, guaranteed, will be something disappointing on the proven bases that Nintendo loves to blow their load early on and fuck up in the end. Did so with Smash 4, did so with newcomer reveals for Smash 4/Ultimate, same will happen with DLC.

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PUBG was pretty popular in China so I guess China dictates who gets in now

Cope

>inspired DQ along with a handful other early western RPGs
>pretty much the start of PC gaming
>was ported to Famicom, has had Japanese ports with decent popularity in the old days
He's in.

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Sure, in the west. But I live in Japan, so I won’t be getting the cucked version of Smash Bros anyway.

There's literally no chance in hell there isn't a female newcomer you fucking stupid piece of shit

Idk what you’re talking about. I saw some faggot put Kasumi on the roster, and then remembered retards say Nakoruru was gonna be in Smash cause “muh SNK” and then remembered, “wait, isn’t Mai SNK?” And a whole floodgate opened when I realized just how significant, iconic, and popular the character is. Regardless of whatever some faggot leaker may or may not say, Mai is a logical pick for Smash.

dilate tranny

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Nice forced meme you got there.

Kasumi makes sense if we assume Tecmo is getting a rep, however since there has been no indication for this at all. It's safe to say that Mai is the most logical rep, unless Namco is really desperate to shill Kosmos

>Creative
>Demon summoning opens endless possibilities but it's not used in his moveset at all

Flynn should have gotten in. Or Jack Frost

Most westerners only know Mai from that one Death Battle video.

I don’t understand why people think Temco would get a character though? Especially over SNK which not only has better relations with Nintendo, but KoF is a favorite franchise of Sakurai, and an influence for Smash.

Like, Sakurai bias is a major point in Mai’s favor. Just like how Joker got in purely cause of that.

>DQ hero
>Squaresoft
Anyway other than that I voted Cloud, he had never (?) appeared on a nintendo system, despite being a popular character. I wish they'd went for Black Mage as a Final Fantasy character instead.

I wouldn't call Joker iconic.

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This has to be the shittiest argument i've heard yet
>china likes her more than mario so she's in
>despite nintendo barely having a market presence in china
why would nintendo give a shit about a bunch of chinks that don't even buy their stuff?

They develop Fire Emblem

Uograde me

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George Bush

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And?

KoF is enormous in LatAm. Mai is crazy popular in Asia, not just Japan, but Korea, China, and Hong Kong as well, literally inventing a fashion trend in HK in the 90s. Those more than merit her inclusion as literal hemispheres of the world would explode with excitement over Mai.

Digital Devil Saga was originally a video game. The novels came out in 2011, and were the original intended story for the video game before the author withdrew and was replaced. Do you have a source of Atlus not owning the rights? Because I can't find anything on that, and DDS is still on the PlayStation store meaning at the very least they can still make money off of the games

>the world would totally explode for this character that nobody knows or cares about!
Yeah, sure.

>Japan
>knowing something because it was associated with Xbox

Cloud was in KH Chain of Memories or some shit.

Because those chinks would buy their stuff for Mai.

I'd rather have Chun Li than Mai.

Cloud. His inclusion is hyper retarded. Followed by Joker. Kasumi and RE bitch aren't in so it's irrelevant.

Okay who is it that you want instead so we can laugh at it.

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>nobody
>America is the whole world
I expect nothing less of American education, bravo retard.

I want Mai purely for the sheer amount of butthurt it would cause RetardERA trannies if she got in.

>post character and overblow popularity to the point where you believe there's tens of millions of active fans of this character
>muh china, search results constantly dipping to 0 and up again because so few people actually search that shit there, especially on fucking google
>b-but what is your favorite character!?
Cop out.

>that one guy who thinks Ryu is less deserving than Ken

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>Mai
How would they censor her?

> Mai is so fucking popular that she was chosen to appear in the most popular game of the century & one of the few games to ever gross over 10 billion dollars, which wasn't even made in China but actually South Korea

Mai appeared in Mineycrafta?

>add leggings that clash with her design, edit her top to cover up the chest fully, mytha style
>remove boob jiggle

This thread is such an obvious circlejerk of like three people who want Mai in because she makes their dicks hard and refuse to admit that she's got next to no chance of actually being in Smash

>most popular game of the century
If we go off of actual sales, this would be GTA V, Tetris or Minecraft and she's in neither of those.

Dungeon Fighter Online, it's grossed 12 Billion dollars which is more then any game in history except Street Fighter II, Space Invaders & Pac-Man

Literally
WHO

Give her one of her old outfits. Or just have her top cover her cleavage a bit more so its less revealing. Like in a lot of her cosplay.

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Who?

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Grossing does not mean selling well. Are you retarded?
WoW had three billion short of that and it's pretty much just a western thing. Guess Lich King is in now.

Why would you want that?

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He's in

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>can't find any info on this
>only get results for a gameloft mobile game crossover

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Fuck off, she's not even the main character in her own series

>trailer starts
>colorless visage of Icecrown Citadel's halls, footsteps in the background
>the mist in the halls slowly settles as Arthas walks up to the Altar that holds Frostmourne
>he gets to it and looks down, he sees the smash invite and picks it up
>grabs frostmourne
>LET THEM COME, FROSTMOURNE HUNGERS

CoD grossed 17 billion so I guess it's in now

Mai is the epitome of “Sex Sells.” People would say the same shit about Bayonetta, but look where we are now.

I personally just want Mai just so I can say I was right about the prediction.

I feel she’s one of the few characters left still iconic and popular enough to merit a spot on the roster. That, and the sheer outrage it would bring from retards in the west would be glorious. I don’t plan on using the character really, I already got Banjo, but she’s defo earned my support as soon as I thought about it.

I struggle to think of other characters as iconic as her.

She’s the company mascot though, so who cares autist.

Seething Amerimutts, DFO & Space Invaders are the only standalone games in this picture. Everything else had sequels to boost it's revenue

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The West literally doesn’t matter to Japan. Asia is like its own little bubble.

COD is a series with over 20 games, Dungeon Fighter Online is literally just one game. That makes it infinitely more popular then COD

Yeah, and Mega Man had a game to promote when he was included in Smash 4 too.

Space Invaders is in
>MMO milks its consumers for extra money
Shocking

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Cope

And I am your mom's mascot, retard. Your irrelevant fapbait character is nothing compared to Ryu and she will never be in. Cope.

>space invaders is in
Based

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lol I wish.
They wouldn't put her in looking like that.

>argues revenue = popularity
>b-but only for one game!
>ignores the fact that his game is an MMO which usually feature in-game purchases
Minecraft is infinitely more popular than DFO on sales alone.

>these posts were like made by a RetardERA tranny
Oh man, I really hope she gets in. The temper tantrum you morons would throw will make Stevefags look like a joke.

>Eurofags have shit taste
Should have known.

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Why the fuck are Dead or Alive and Resident Evil there? Anyways obviously Joker. He's a combination of the worst aspects of Bayonetta and Cloud, at least before the port. He's about as iconic and well known as Bayonetta and he has next to nothing to do with Nintendo like Cloud. These were my same thoughts at the Game Awards and they haven't changed at all since.

>muh drama
I like tits as much as any other guy but Mai is just a disappointing character.

Whats wrong with Bayonetta?

Wasent the sequel a Wii U exclusive ya retards.

Feels good knowing that I will never have to worry about such thing. Keep hoping forever.

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> Nearly 20 more crossover appearences then Ryu
> More popular in Asia then literally any other gaming character except Pikachu
> The mascot of one of the most iconic japanese gaming companies ever
> Universally considered one of the most iconic gaming characters of all time
> Somehow "irrelevant" because retarded Americans don't know who she is
Why does Mai make zoomers seethe so much?

Shulk is creative. Joker is just Cloud with a recovery.

> Salesfags think sales are more important then Revenue
Typical, i always knew Americans were fucking idiots

Why does nobody care that he cancerously pandered to Ridleyfags. And added shit nobody asked for like Piranha Plant. Smash Ultimate is a failure.

>More popular in Asia then literally any other gaming character except Pikachu
> Universally considered one of the most iconic gaming characters of all time

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>argues popularity
>revenue is not popularity/players
>until it is
Stop moving goalposts.

> Still fucking seething

>Jill
>Not Leon
>RE4 was originally Gamecube Exclusive
>RE4 is the the main advertised RE port on the Switch with RE0 and RE1 being thrown in at the end

Like, you literally can’t argue against Mai unless you’re a moron who gets offended by sexy women.
>iconic female in gaming
>2nd most iconic character in fightan right behind Ryu
>popular with females being the most cosplayed character of all time
>fun and unique moveset from KoF that would translate well into Smash
>iconic and memorable design
>incredibly popular in Asia and LatAm
>has appeared in over 70 crossovers and cameos
>popular outside of gaming too
>mascot character of one of the most influential developers in Japan

Mai has everything going for her. If you argue against her, you literally out yourself as a seething tranny.

>More popular in Asia then literally any other gaming character except Pikachu
> Universally considered one of the most iconic gaming characters of all time
What kinda drugs are you on?

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the nintendo picked the DLC thing was a lie

>Implying they wouldn't just be skins of each other if they make it in
Hell fuck it, put claire and chris as 2 more skins why not.

Real talk, how the fuck does this faggot come up with this shit? Mai is a literal who next to Ryu & Ken.

in your fantasy world maybe

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No more dumb fucking Skin shit, please.
If we got Leon, Jill should be an echo. If we got Leon he would need to be like Bayonetta, First costume is the RE4 Design, Second is RE2

Theres actually people so desperate for attention they are going to pretend to be salty over Banjo's reveal.

Dungeon Fighter Online literally destroys Pokemon in terms of Popularity in China, and Pokemon is the world's only 100 Billion dollar franchise

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>Mai is a literal who next to Ryu & Ken.
Spotted the Zoomer.

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>Atlus deserves a rep
This but laharl

I still don`t fully understand how fucking Snake happened in the first place.

What's Jill gonna do thats different than Leon? Lockpick your dick?

>in china

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Nice bait you absolute fucking faggot
> Largely due to her sex appeal, Mai has become one of the most popular, recognizable and celebrated female characters of the fighting game genre and video game characters in general, especially in Japan, China and some other East Asian countries, and often being compared to Capcom's Chun-Li - Official Wikipedia Page

That explains why nobody cares about her and always view Chun Li as the definitive fighting game gal.

It would have to be nintendo the one approaching them, since NIS whores out disgaea characters at every chance they get.

Not all echos have something unique. Daisy is equal to a skin with special animations at this point yet they're an echo

60 % of the World's Global Population lives in Asia, guess what the most populated Country in the world is you fucking idiot? It's certainely not America

>when your character is so bad that her only moment of relevancy was in a spinoff for chinks instead of her home series, 10-7 years ago

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>Largely due to her sex appeal
OH NO NO NO NO HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't get why they couldn't throw in ANY Megaten content. Would it have killed them to have Jack Frost sometimes show up? Fucking Kid Dracula has a cameo.

Two billion people or more, yeah? Are you implying all of them like Mai or some shit? Google search results are hardly objective, especially nationally like you're doing them. Mai could literally have like five thousand fans in China, and Pokemon just has even less because it's been an isolationist commie shithole for so long.

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Hayabusa is a fucking legacy character, you shiteater. Plus he's one of the last major NES characters not in the game in any way, shape, or form

Even small Asian countries like Vietnam acknowledged her as one of the most iconic female characters in gaming history
> Here is a list of the 5 most iconic female characters in the game industry according to the vote of the majority in the gaming community. Of course, apart from their impressive beauty, they are remembered by their special abilities.
> 5th - Kasumi:
> 4th - Chun Li
> 3rd - Mai Shiranui
> 2nd - Ivy Valentine
> 1st - Samus Aran

Ivy Valentine confirmed, then.

>This entire thread
We tried to warn you Yea Forums.
Waifufaggotry was already apart of Smashfagging before, but now...Goddamn. You enjoy yourselves Smashfags; Enjoy suffering a similar fate to us

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She's been in ever SNK game, she's been in at least 80 games probably even more at this point

As someone who likes Reimu and don't particularly care for her in Smash (though I think it'd be fun, even if she's got no chance), I'm pretty disappointed in this thread myself.

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Yeah, It's not looking too good. For all the shit that went down just half a year ago, It was certainly fun. Now it's just, boring.

>he doesn’t remember “no Mai no buy.”
Based retard. Where do you think that meme came from?

I think back in their heyday SNK used both Terry and Nakoruru as "mascots", so they would make more sense than Mai

Who gives a shit about company relationships, Persona 5 is fucking good

Fuck Reimu. Kasen in Smash!

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No they did not. Nako didnt even get into KoF till like way later. Whereas Mai has been crazy popular, moreso than even Terry, since the early 90s.

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yikes

>doa and resi
fuck off lol

its undertale and doomguy

Joker, Bayonetta, Banjo

>#1 Joker
The real answer. He's not representative of Megami Tensei, just Persona 5. Nobody really cares for him, he's not an interesting or fun fighter in the least, and the "OMG WOAAAAH NEVER SAW IT COMING" factor has LONG since ran out.

>#2 Bayonetta
She isn't an icon or emblem of anything, she's just another video game character. She's also the false winner of the ballot, the real winners being Snake, Ridley, and King K. Rool. But even then she's an alright addition, especially considering how Nintendo is committed to keeping her alive.

>#3 Banjo-Kazooie
They are the most popular topic right now, so of course they will get a significant amount of votes here by contrarians. Fact of the matter is that he's perfect for this game series.

The fuck is going on here? People are seriously discussing Kasumi as a Tecmo character instead of Ryu fucking Hayabusa? The guy that is treated like a legend and above other ninja in the same game Kasumi stars?

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>Metal Gear, NES

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DQ Hero - Long Haired edition is the worst. Such a boring design and he's only there to advertise the newest entry in the Dragon Quest series. The only saving grace is there are three alternate versions you can switch to with actually classic DQ characters whose popularity has stood the test of time.

Then it's Joker. A SMT/Persona rep is honestly fine, but Joker is only there because P5 hype was still riding high at the point the DLC was decided unlike the other 3rd party reps who have stood the test of time. Would have been nice had it gone a bit like the DQ Hero and you could have switch to the other protags.

Bayonetta is arguable, but I suppose she did at least do well enough in a popularity poll to earn that spot. Though the fact they never released those results is dubious. Bayo is borderline an adopted Nintendo character at this point anyway, so it's not quite as egregious.

Finally, Cloud sucks but only because the FF content is so fucking pitiful compared to the other 3rd party games in there. He'll 100% be cut when the roster culling starts in future games.

Joker and Bayonetta.

Are only in because of Sakurai's love boner.

No, the president of Atlus went to say Sakurai wanted him in.

I really hope the last 2 slots aren't dumb shit like Joker or DQ guy.

HES IN

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>Butt fuck it, it's sakurai's game so he deserves at least 1 pick I for himself I guess.

No he really doesn't. He's put enough of that dumb shit in this game.

The season pass should have been for the fans and not there to stroke his ego.

>Shad Hog

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Literally irrelevant & nobody gives a fuck about him. Literally the equivalent of Nintendo adding Captain Falcon into Smash before Mario. That’s what Ryu means to Tecmo, an irrelevant boomer character who has only managed to stay relevant by leeching off a popular fighting game. Nobody has ever played Ninja Gaiden

>Bayo 2 was one of the bigger console sellers the wii u actually had

lol console seller my ass. And IF this were true, that still doesn't mean her games are iconic, memorable, or deserving of a spot.

>some undeniable relationship to Nintendo's history

Neither does Cloud. IMO, the green haired girl from FF4 should have been chosen and not Cloud.

And this is exactly why she doesn't deserve a spot.

>Trailer rolls out for the next characters
>It involves Mai vs Ryu Hayabusa vs Sheik vs Greninja

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>boomer

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Ryu is never getting in, but it’s hilarious to see Leakfags continue to desperately shill their literal who character anyway

lol saying it's perfect with ROB, Bayonetta, Joker, Cloud and not a character from a FF game on a Nintendo console. Ken AND Ryu, Game and Watch, fucking 5 marths and way too much FE repping, Falcondorf, the LOZ franchise being complete shit, DARK FUCKING PIT & Palutena, WAYYYYYYY TOO many Pokemon(like WAY to fucking many...) Do you want me to continue on how this roster is still complete garbage?

>NeverEverfags

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This, about half the roster is trash and is likely to be cut next game.

It also sold a lot of wiius even if the actual game sales weren't very high

Banjo was planned since Melee, Nintendo fucking said this weeks ago. And DQ is a 12 billion dollar franchise that dominates Japan. Ninja Gaiden is irrelevant & literal who boomer trash, that Tecmo doesn’t give a single fuck about.

Idk about Ryu, but the last two characters are nearly guaranteed to be Japan/Asia picks over anyone else.

That’s why I’m saying Mai is such a likely pick. She’s crazy popular over here. And if Sakurai was presented with a list of characters from numerous companies Nintendo could get agreements for, no doubt he’d choose the mascot character of his favorite fighting game growing up.

Joker was a pretty shit Atlus rep. I get Bayonetta but she doesn't fit.

Keep using your meme buzzwords redditor.

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I really hope Sakurai retires before the next game. He's really damaged this franchise with his massive ego(IE focusing on what HE wants and not the fans.)

>Banjo was planned since Melee,
And the goalpost moves yet again. Oh how people called this.

> Posting a game that was a bigger commercial failure then Fallout 76.
> Thinking Ryu matters when he has always played 2nd fiddle to Kasumi & Dead Or Alive
The absolute state of Ryufags

Waluigi is never getting in fag, deal with it.

Why can't he just show Mr h a bunch of notable fighting game characters and pick out the correct one

When did he ever say kof was his favorite? All i heard wuth him in relation to fighting games was that he won a sf2 tournament once

I already play as mai in King of fighters
I would prefer the kof representative to be a character I don't usually play
King maybe

>won a sf2 tournament once
It was KoF, and he’s also mentioned how he used to played it in arcades and his experience with it helped inspire some of the decisions he takes in Smash Bros. Additionally, Smash takes some inspiration from KoF’s mechanics, most notably, short hops.

What you want isn’t gonna decide the roster picks. Mai’s popularity and significance as a gaming icon are what will determine if she gets in over anyone else.

Joker.
He just happens to be protagonist from the latest game in his series, Hero at least shows the protagonists from the "important" DQ's to give weight to the series

Lol

Ryu had at least 8 games in many different platforms before he was even included on DOA or rebooted as a 3D action. But you're so mad about people wanting a legacy character that is actually a hero from video games history to label it as "irrelevant and boomer" that I see no point in trying to argue with you.

?

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Sakurai said his favourite game was Final Fantasy X

Cloud is the most undeserving. Cloud is associated with sony. Smash bros should have had a FF character that made sense like Cecil or Terra. Sure they are less well known but they are more "Nintendo" than cloud

He has less sales than DOA, therefore he is less relevant than DoA

>Megami Tensei
>Sega/Atlus
>NES
>Sega
>Atlus
>NES
FFS, you NEWFAGS.

Here we go again - gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/204211-shin-megami-tensei-v/74852241.

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Based

Well idk, but I remember him saying something about KoF once. I remember cause then I realized the short hops thing after reading that. So idk.

I don't give a shit about Waluigi. We don't need another smash game with more marths, more dumb anime shit no one wants but Sakurai, and more fuckin' pokemon, and failed nes peripherals.

>Neither does Cloud.
VII is how Nintendo lost Final Fantasy.
Both FFVII and OoT being argued about being the best games ever sparked the Cloud vs Link rivalry (when doing the smash 4 poster for Cloud, Nomura said the very first thing he thought was he wanted Link vs Cloud to be the highlight, even).

Nice BS post user.

>The face of the stealth genre
>Nintendo and Mario's major rival from their early days
>Iconic action platformer that was a major support to the NES and SNES treated as an honorary Nintendo series
>The first video game character
>Mr. Fighting games/Mr. Crossover
>The original fighting game clone
>Nintendo's major rival in the 5th generation
>Nintendo's adopted child
>Another iconic action platformer series that was a major supporter of the MES and SNES and treated as honorary Nintendo
>Japan's national past time and the progenitor JRPG
>Lost Nintendo icon and landmark early 3D series from the only western company to have substantial history with Nintendo

And then
>Lol idk his menus are neat
Joker sticks out like a sore thumb

You would think that after a year of doing this, AsianCOPEfag would have stopped baiting rosterfags by now.
You have some dedication I’ll give you that. keep them seething, man

Everything he said is right you Zoomer piece of shit, FF7 is the only game that comes close to OOT

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So Cloud undeniable relationship with Nintendo is that he was the first FF protagonist to NOT be on a Nintendo system?
Do you realize how stupid it sounds?

> Every user on Yea Forums is the same exact person
Jannies need to have people tagged based on their IP & show their posts in each thread like /pol/ so this schizophrenic bullshit will stop

He's in because he's a major rival to Nintendo, like Sonic.

Or do you seriously think Sonic got in because a bunch of Dreamcast games got ported to GameCube?

Definitely Joker
At least give him a SMT character echo or something I don't fucking know

>it's sakurai's game so he deserves at least 1
>piranha plant
>the 6 million fire emblem characters
>dark pit
>joker
>incelroar

FF7 vs OOT is the most discussed topic in the history of gaming

I never argued for or against Cloud's place in smash, but saying he or FFVII, the game he's the protagonist of, is in no way related to Nintendo is just being factually wrong

At least compare OoT to an actual good FF game like 6 for fucks sake
Or compare it to 9 since they came out in the same era

FF6 is better, but FF7 & OOT are undeniably the most popular games of all time. The insane amounts of hype for FF7 Remake proves this

This, smash basically needs modernising all retro reps can fuck off, clones need to be decreased by a landslide, there’s too fucking few echos, give us more of them rather then clones be separate characters, Pokemon and Mario are over-repped now, only need about 6 mario and 4 Pokemon reps, and honest to god we need just like 2 FE reps not any more than that.

He's in because he's a major figure in video game history, like Sonic, Pac-man, Snake, etc.
It's not about rivalry, even Sakurai said in a recent interview that he doesn't care about console war.

>All retro reps can fuck off
Zoom zoom

This, Sakurai originally picked Terra from FF6. But decided to go with Cloud because of how fucking iconic he is

>Bayonetta is exclusively releasing games with Nintendo.
>relatively popular series but the character is pretty popular.
> obviously a great guest character.
> Atlus released 17 freaking games on 3ds, even main titles from Shin Megami Tensei, their flagship series.
> 2 on Wii U.
> A collaboration with Fire Emblem and Shin Megami Tensei.
> Simon/ Castlevania hasn’t done anything notable with Nintendo in ages.
>Has a few games on nes and snes that barely sold.
Most were middling, one had great reception.
> “He’s iconic! He defines the nes & snes era!”
(Neither of these are true, btw)
> somehow that makes him more justified than Joker & Bayonetta, who’s companies have better rapport with current Nintendo.
Damn you guys are dumb.

Yeah I'm sure Sonic and Cloud are two of the most requested fighters in the series history because it's not about rivalries and there is no appeal to seeing Nintendo's rivals crossover with their characters

Retard

>Muh recency bias
Banjo and Kazooie put you retards in your grave. It's time to stop.

They didn’t get in because they’re rivals. They got in because they’re the most recognizabel/iconic characters from the biggest gaming companies in japan.

Lara Croft and Lightning are bigger than Cloud in every way but his historical significance in the 5th gen which was centered around his series abandoning Nintendo.

It's exactly about them being rivals

Joker's as good a choice as any MegaTen protagonist for a MegaTen rep, I'd even say he's a better choice than most others, his issue is that he's not a MegaTen rep. He's a MegaTen character, but they didn't emphasise MegaTen in his moveset or music or anything at all, he's just there to represent Persona. If he did represent MegaTen he would be much, much better in my opinion though, and I also think he's a perfectly good choice to represent MegaTen.

Everyone with an NES played or knows about Ninja Gaiden

Why would they want to represent Megaten when people care about Persona like 5x over?

Probably thinking of this then

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my nigga

>Lara Croft and Lightning are bigger than Cloud in every way
Imagine making shit up to prove a point

Steve?, (2009) Mojang, PC

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To all stupid cucks ITT, see/read .

Or a switch since its on switch online.

*Snap*
Yep, this one's a Mii costume

Rayman, (1995) Ubisoft, Atari Jaguar

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I think of Bayonetta as more of a 2nd party character due to her relationship with Nintendo.

It is Joker, even though I like him, he not only doesn't even represent MegaTen, he's also not nearly as iconic as other characters there, but if Kasumi were in it would be her instead. She doesn't deserve a spot over Hayabusa.

>More capcom reps
>After all the crap they're pulling on the console
Fucking kek

Scribblenauts, (2009) 5th Cell, Nintendo DS

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Ninja Gaiden isn’t popular or iconic either.

I know, but she still doesn't deserve a spot over Hayabusa.

>NO NO NO MORE BOOMER PICKS MOMMY
stay mad zoomer

False

>no Redfields
Are you even a real RE fan?

FPBP, bayo is a nothingburger of a character and got in solely because of Sakurai's femdom fetish. I was hoping her inclusion meant ZSS would at least be able to lose the heels and whip in Ultimate but Bayo remains useless even for this.

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They wouldn't, as is evident from the fact that they didn't, but it would have felt more appropriate given MegaTen is a more storied franchise that has more history with Nintendo than Persona, which is one of the branches of MegaTen with the least association with Nintendo.

Fighter ballot

I think he's confusing Digital Devil Saga and Digital Devil Story.

It really isn’t.

>P3 MC or the Demifiend
They would have been worse and equal choices to Joker, respectively.

Ken is literally a shitty Ryu color swap and one of the lamest SF characters, my vote goes to him.

Yeah, that was it.

you're a man of culture, user

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He doesn't need any echos and no SMT characters need to be in the game, especially considering Joker has a much more distinct style of movement that wouldn't suit any SMT protagonists, summons his Persona's differently than they summon Demons and uses a dagger over a sword, he just needed to fight like a MegaTen protagonist, but they decided to just stick him with Arsene and have him use a whole 3 skills from the series instead of doing that.

Q2 and Scramble

I'd argue Morrigan is just as likely

No.

Seethe harder.

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Morrigan is nowhere near as iconic as Mai.

>Of all the characters he posted the only characterfag to get triggered is Incineroarfags
Like clockwork

Morrigan has been in considerably more Nintendo games than Mai, and pretty much shares the title of crossover queen with her and Chun-li.

>ded game
>ded company that already has 3 reps in Smash
>lousy design anyway
She's not even femdommy enough to tickle Sakurai's dick, she's a gonner.

Alternatively, it's like asking for Pikachu instead of Pokémon Trainer.

>2nd most iconic character in fightan right behind Ryu
you think Mai is more popular or iconic than Chunners? Are you insane?

Mai is not iconic.

>Mai
>iconic
lmao

Who the fuck is Mia

A moogle would have been better than Super Saiyan Trunks Emo Edition, yes.

>Mai shows up in more crossovers
She shows up in more fanservice waifubait stuff specifically, yeah. When it's not specifically that sort of product SNK instead uses Terry though, because he's SNK's mascot.

SNK's too irrelevant to be an actual factor regardless though, the only people who care about SNK are Chinese and Mexicans, most of whom just pirate these games.

BASED

Only after he got announced for smash

>Kasumi
This user gets it

The fuck you on about? Lighting no, but Lara Croft is a video game icon. Legit boomers born in the 50s even know about Lara Croft. My mother thinks video games are retarded and she still knows who Lara Croft is.

Metal gear started on MSX

Does Joker count as a cereal box mascot as well?

She's a hollywood icon, not a video game icon. People who actually play games give no fucks about Lara.

Maybe twenty years ago.

>Lara Croft and Lightning are bigger than Cloud in every way
holy shit in what universe

Obsessed but also redpilled. This fag has been shitting up threads for months and was the main one pushing the "no western characters" meme

>put that queer in.
i have some news for you about ike, user

>Banjo that high

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Out of this pic its Kasumi. The most boring character I can think of. Her personality is that shes a girl

Chosen undead will be in.

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>he said remembering Morrigan hasn’t had a game in that long

Replace mai with amaterasu. Nobody knows who mai is.

I see the Smashboards kiddies have women up. What? Too uncomfortable around a sexy female? Dilate please.

Capcom's crossover fighting games alone make Morrigan more iconic than Mai.

Do you ever not shitpost that?

No they don’t. Mai sells more merch and pushed more cosplay, and sees way more crossovers than Capcom’s forgotten franchise no. 78

>Mai gets in
>She's censored from head to toe because she looks like a literal whore
>the only thing she's famous for gets lost

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your forgetting someone, user

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>mentions several underwhelming characters
>incinefag immediately comes to the conclusion he's a grinchfag
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>ctrl+f Geno
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Nice bias, Geno is owned by Square. He's third party and doesn't belong.

gotta be jill or kasumi

Banjo easily.

Banjo has no actual reason to be in Smash. It was only because of autistic manchild screaming. The character himself has no merit of any kind

Jack Frost in context of Atlus' actually popular games, hes just one demon out of literal hundreds. Yes, he's the company mascot but that doesn't make him somehow more popular than Joker or any of the Persona protags. I like Mainline too but Joker is the most logical choice because he's the most popular by fucking far. Persona 5's fanbase is comprised mostly of normies who didn't touch 3 or 4 and ESPECIALLY not the Mainline games.

Who is Ryu Hayabusa

>Mai only gets censored for the west
>I live in Japan so I don’t give a fuck
>get to laugh at the idiots crying she got censored as well as the ones REEEEEEing cause they’re offended a sexy female is in.

This. It’s a similar case with Slime and DQ.

You're literally just a Bayofaggot like I was "I want her in to prove a point". Get fuck you fucking hypocrite.

I've learned my lesson and regret supporting that bitch thanks to Ultimate's tagline giving her free reign to come back rent free. You attention seeking bastard, no one cares if you "were right", fucking child. And topkek if you think the west would actually get mad if she somehow did get it, expect pure over the top appraisal all over the net. For obvious reasons or another.

>SNK fans being divided by Terry vs. Mai.

Feels bad, man