Is this really any better than the original?

source mod was best

Since it's release the player base for the original game has been increasing whilst Sandstorms decreases.

That tells you all you really need to know.

yes, but the performance is tricky and dependent on your hardware

I dont like artillery strikes and stuff

based SDK 2007 boomer

surprised that people still remember the source mod

The map design sucks. They should just port the old maps or something.

Also the co-op vs AI mode is fucking stupid. The AI either magdumps into a wall or one shots you from across the map regardless of your armor or how you're moving.

Actually, they seem to be MORE accurate if you're sprinting. It's ridiculous, one of the most absurdly varying and frustrating AI in a game like this I've ever seen. Oh also the female death sounds are incredibly annoying. Like, man are they annoying, last way too long and are too loud.

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I think the classes are pretty fucking wasteful for how small the squad/maps are. Also need more coop content

4k Sandstorm
2k Insurgency

Maybe the free weekend was the turning point.

How the optimization? Do I need some 1070 GPU to run this shit? I'm in the mood for a shooter I don't care about anything other than getting 60 frames.

What modes do the consistent playerbase play?
I only played Ambush on Insurgency but they removed it in Sandstorm for some reason

Its very cpu dependant. Ive a 1070ti bit can only get to 60 on minimum.

SQUAD is a far better shooter, with a much more invlolved community and is releasing from early access in a couple of months. Its on a bigger discount and has more players despite insurgencies free weekend

Are the premium weapons actually worth the supply? I don't feel like I do any better choosing the VHS-1 over the M16A4 or the QBZ-03 over the AKM.

Its honestly not relevant to this thread. Completely different game in basically every way. But yes, its based

I like but it has some issues
>Utterly awful matchmaking system means official servers never stick together, and unofficial pvp servers are nonexistent.
>Movement has little to no inertia, feels way to floaty and fast compared to Source, which while fast also had some velocity so it felt smooth,
>The new sliding is fucking aids, sprinting a little bit and crouching means you slide in any direction
>The increased ttk and sway+standing recoil means you have to crouch peek everything outside room distance with full auto. single fire is useless except for the svd.

I got a rx580 and ryzen 5 2600 and I maintain frames above 60 on high on most things except for shadows and post processing. But I've read people with better rigs than mine having intense stutters and frame drops.

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VHS is literal dogshit, it's just a worse M4A1 and I can't see any reason as to why you would ever want to use it. The advantage of picking anything other than the M16A4 is automatic fire, so I would recommend going with at least the G36 unless you plan on exclusively going long range shooting, in which case it's better to just use the G3 for its higher damage. For Insurgents, the AKM is actually really good. I pretty much exclusively use it or the FAL.

The QBZ and the VHS are really good IMO, high as fuck rate of fire is always great.

I don't like that being low on stamina makes you sway more. It just doesn't work when you spawn 100+ meters away from your objective.

squad>rising storm 2>ins ss

Which do I believe bros

My last game before I:S was BF4 and I love the game. You'll probably enjoy it too, but if you don't, there's always Steam refund.

What's best for shotguns? Buck, flechette or slug?

Try them out in one of the Vs. AI modes and decide for yourself

The sway system sucks ass as even if you barely moved you still have sway you have to constantly correct. youtube.com/watch?v=LVE2Q0kNUfQ. Plus, even on firefight where the map is much shorter than the other game modes you still have to sprint everywhere.

Is steamcharts wrong or something?
It's showing Sandstorm has more players than Squad currently.

UR4 engine needs to be wiped from the face of the earth.

>Use VHS
>Click once
>Fire ten shots
>Takes like three hits to kill and has retarded horizontal recoil
Take the G3/FALpill

I don't see the point of automatic fire, it just makes you recoil and miss. G3 and FAL for life. Or better yet, I pick Advisor and play around with the SCAR, the MK14 and the SVD.

idk man, I'm on a laptop and I'm playing 75fps locked on minimum

RS2 just feels like boomer BC2.

God I wish the other rifles and carbines actually one shotted to the chest for no armor. The m16a4 was butchered from its source version.

>dude just play Squad
Nobody is going to play your dying tryhard shooter just fuck off already lol

>I'm shit at CS:GO but great at CS: Source.
literally how the fuck its the same game with gimped graphics for the consoles

I use all the guns including the FAL/G3, the recoil of the VHS has never really bothered me. I like the MP7 the best.

Squad can actually be really good if you can find a server that's not full of tacticool retards. The best matches that I've had are when it's like 3 am EST and all the SLs are halfway through a handle.

The MP7 is so damn expensive to run properly though. You need to pour almost your entire supply into it.

The MP7 was still retardedly strong the last time that I played like two months ago, is it still good? I used to tear ass with that thing.

Female death sounds is the best thing about this game, nigger. The screaming and moaning they make when burned to death by molotov makes my dick diamonds.

why is every commander obssessed with putting smoke everywhere
swear to fuck every single one brings three smoke nades, a smoke launcher and uses every single smoke artillery call

To wrek toasterfags.

Garbage game with clunky movement. I'd rather play arma which will be 100 times better in milsim autism, while having the same shitty controls.

My standard observer loadout is M4 or AKM with heavy carrier, smoke launcher, and three smoke grenades so that I can cover the entire advance onto each point by myself since nobody else will fucking bring them.

I usually end up pouring everything into my primary anyway, gotta pimp that thing out.

I actually haven't used it very recently, I've been playing with the new guns mostly. I haven't heard anything about nerfing it, and it was great when I used it a few weeks ago.

>heavy carrier
That's where I draw the line. That's way too much supply for just one extra nade.

You do run without armor, right?

It's not like there is much else to spend it on. M4 smoke launcher, heavy carrier, and three smokes is 12 points. I don't really like attachments because most of them look really stupid, and I only ever use the red dot sight or flip up irons since the other scopes are pointless.

Outpost mode aka the best mode for coop soon. Also night maps and map editor/modding tools.

Why the hell does Security no longer get a free pistol? And where the fuck did you put my Model 10?

I usually run a 2x holo since most maps are so damn open in this game. Apparently the ADS time is the same so I don't really mind spending a supply for the magnification.

Model 10 is basically confirmed so I'm hoping that it will be Security's free pistol since the sides are apparently no longer allowed to share weapons.

How much autism you want, f@m?

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Bipods in Sandstorm are absurdly inconsistent and don't allow you to move side-to-side or even crouch without undeploying them.
Also, MGs have a firing delay that makes them borderline unusable because every rifle in the game in the game kills in 2 hits tops regardless of armor so reactions are everything.

As soon as it arrives I'm making a Model 10 only preset.

I miss using the RPK like a semi-auto rifle.

Adding on to this, do I have autism because I refuse to use the flash hiders and extended magazines? They both look rushed and really fucking bad. Not to mention that they hold 35 rounds for some reason. They could have just given the AK rifles 40 round RPK mags (which is a common thing that ISIS and other groups do) and there are also 40 round pmags that they could have used for the AR pattern rifles, but instead they just stretched the standard magazines to be longer then gave them 35 rounds.

It takes all the bad features of PR and none of the good, because the devs are snobby cunts who are above doing anything sensible if someone else made it first.

But they do if you deploy them manually.

I use the flash hiders because they're actually helpful for me. I bet they'll be doubly so when night maps come around.

+1967.2%
Is it really even fair to count player numbers during a free weekend?

Like a fly to honey

Do supressors increase bullet velocity like the should?

Do suppressors do anything?

It's bait I will take gladly, I thought it would be a good game instead of the dogshit it's been for the past 4 years.

I think they put a firing delay in there because the PKM was the superior assault rifle in beta. It makes textbook machine gun positions impossible though, because you can barely start shooting before the enemy has cleared your narrow arc.

I find myself switching between the original and the sequel. Both are pretty good imo. I like the better visuals of the new one but the original one has a good feeling, I really can't describe it. I wish they would port the maps from the orignal to the sequel, but not the shitmaps like panj or sinjar, the good maps like tell, embassy, market, uprising, siege and heights.

does sandstorm have rpgs?

I know exactly what keeps me coming back to the original.
I hope there comes one day where I can join a sv_pure 0 server on Sandstorm and have an acid trip with at least 100 mods piled on top of it.

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Yes, bots react more slowly or simply don't see that you are shooting at them. Given that you crouch and don't make noise yourself of course.

>bots
No, I didn't mean it like that. I only play Versus. Does it alter my weapon's stats in any way?

Enjoying sandstorm but the controls feel very clunky, or slow. I can't explain it. It's no where near CS smooth

It's not a casual shooter like baby strike. Insurgency is supposed to be a milsim but without autism.

The movement is off, and you keep moving after you let go of the key. Also, and more importantly, the accuracy and spread is just bad and I can't get a handle on it.

>Hit scan weapons
>Not casual
Lad

>Insurgency is supposed to be a milsim but without autism
imagine thinking this and posting it. insurgency is closer to cod and even battlefield is a milsim when compared to it

It's not hit scan.

This.

Are the anti-material snipers good for anything other than shooting down gunships?

He did say without autism

Yes, it's literally a cod or cs game, but without all the casual trash game bullshit like oversized hud all over the screan, wallhack team, enemy and objective markers, minimaps on the screen and with slower and clunkier movement. So all the milsim stuff, but in a corridor shooter.
Battlefield is a prime example of a casual trash console game, while insurgency is a milsim.

It's hit scan but with shit delay cos of the shit performance

Wake me up when the maps arent complete dogshit, weapon sway has been removed and modding tools are finally released

But even with autism it wouldnt be a milsim

It is not hit scan, retard. It's a hybrid system where it uses hitscan only for very close range combat, but if hitscan laser calculates that distance is too high it sends an actual bullet. There is proper a bullet drop and delay. Original insurgency is pure hitscan afaik.

It runs worse than the original and the controls aren't quite as precise.

However its design is far superior and it has the best weapon mechanics and audio of any contemporary FPS.

It definitely leans more heavily towards the tactical/sim side of FPS than its predecessor did which I think is a bit jarring for the ADD spastics coming off the last one since they're going to die a lot more often playing to the meta of source, smart plays and positioning are rewarded much more than raw aggression in Sandstorm.

It's my favourite current FPS game.

Also no retarded hit markers and kill confirmation so you can feign death too.

Fuck me.

It's two rays. There's a straight ray from muzzle. Then there's the path ray from muzzle that uses drop and deltatime. Then it checks for hits using within a buffer of time depending on ping and whatnot.

I actually run light all the time now.

I know it makes zero difference to survivability against bullets but I find with the reduced move speed that I don't run too far into danger as often.

There's basically no reason to use armor apart from surviving one more round of 7.62
It actually did something in Source but not anymore. It's really not worth the weight or points.

>Battlefield is a prime example of a casual trash console game, while insurgency is a milsim.
you are retarded, im afraid.

RPK in source was amazing. Wallbanging for days with AP rounds, all the suppressing fire and angle holding you needed while still being usable on the move.

Battlefield 2 with PR is the only okayish game that's close to milsims. Modern battlefield is a casual console trash for underage retards you know it.

In theory you can shoot people through walls with them, but most of the time you can do that with the other sniper rifles anyways.

the absolute state of squadfags

This must be why my controls feel shit. I'm always on armour. If I play without amourless and move better I'd probably have a better time.

>It actually did something in Source
It did nothing in source because everyone rocked AP.

However certain weapons have AP ammo as an inherent trait in Sandstorm now.

>Releasing from early access
>No Helicopters
>Unfinished maps which vary wildly in quality

when did I argue anything about battlefield?
>even battlefield is a milsim when compared to it
this means that insurgency is so far from being a milsim, that EVEN a casual game like battlefield is closer to being a milsim. Does this explanation make it easier for your pea-sized brain?

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Do it. Heavy armor does literally nothing for your survivability over light armor at ranges under 300 meters. It's genuinely useless outside of very specific situations.
youtube.com/watch?v=0k_Cb1VBJns

Is swat 4 a milsim, you underage retard? Not every milsim needs to have an arma autism.
>posting reddit memes
Oh, nevermind, you are actually a retarded underage faggot.

Even with AP rounds heavy armor usually bought you an extra bodyshot or two before you died, and it also actually did a pretty good job of saving you from explosions if you were on the edge of the radius.
And maybe it's just me speaking from personal experience, but I didn't use AP nearly as much when on Security. It was really good and basically mandatory on Insurgent because Security got free armor, though.

>underage retard
>retarded underage faggot
>REeeeeeDDIT

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Yes, that's who you are, nigger.

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Just bought it but my settings seem totally fucked.
No AA, refusing to turn off motion blur or change resolution.

Is this a common problem? Ran fine during the free weekend

>get a modder that made skins for insurgency to do all the animations
>they look amazing
i wish more studios would do this. titanfall 2 did this too, hire some amateur gun animator from fpsbanana

Those two battle rifles are extremely overpowered once you learn to control them. 2x sight and a foregrip is all you need, can easily countersnipe and clear almost any map with ease, instakilling people from across the map with the ridiculous amount of damage they do.

>animator
Why don't they use 240fps mocap with actual swat operators like kf2 and RoN.

>Ran fine during the free weekend
Did you use one of those old performance configuration files? The devs changed a lot of variables including how the entire LOD system works and they can genuinely break the game if used now.

Browse to C:\users\yourusername\appdata\insurgency and delete everything, the game will generate a new profile for you and you'll need to redo your key bindings.

>squad still hasn't added air assets despite them being in project reality since its inception because they want to 'do it right' even though the game feels hollow with just armorfags deciding every single AAS map
>even the best non-air map from PR, fallujah west, is not in the game yet
>a modder that buys premade vehicle models online has put helicopters in the game in a perfectly acceptable way with a couple months of work

I'm fucking sick of offworld industries. If they dropped squad, a fucking fantastic successor to PR, just to work on some other bullshit game, I'm going to be pissed. This game does not deserve to be unfinished after like 3 fucking years.

Didn't touch it but I'll give it a go

You don't even need the grip if you rock them on single fire all the time.

Despite popular believe, kf2 first person animations are handmade and not motion captures

I like to retard spray with the g3 and fal. I don't have a good 'rapid fire' triggerfinger in close quarters and just hold it down. Since I always have a carrier or heavy carrier it doesn't matter that I burn through mags quickly desu.

Thanks bud.
Everything working fine now.

Handmade 240 fps animation? That's impossible.

HP in several guns, including the AKM, is a one shot to the arms and legs in any armor at any distance.

When are the Insurgents gonna get a non-shit 2x optic?

The cobra is the best optic in the game.

Yes it is, you just take more frames. Plus the game interpolates between frames automatically. Do you really think the barrel wiggling in the shooting anim is anything but noise added in a computer program?

Not with that reticle.

That's the best part, your view of the target is never obstructed, you see exactly where the shot is going to hit.

terrible terrible. so clunky and slow compared to the original. it's more like dayz/squad than csgo like the original was

Retard spray is the meta. 5.56 especially takes so many shots to kill on semi it'll never be worth it.

True. Even ebr and svd is not a guaranteed oneshot.

>so many shots to kill on semi
You mean two?

going from rising storm 2 to the sandstorm free weekend was extremely jarring. The ability to freely use the bipod at any time or not regardless of it being lowered or not was nice, but shit like your ADS being disturbed moving anywhere while prone was annoying when RS2 had a nice prone system where you could always be prepared. Not to mention i like the unique bipod prone moving animations.

I digress though, i was unable to be sucked in by Sandstorm the way i was with the 2014 one, because i couldn't help but feel i spent several minutes a match waiting for a ETA on wave reinforcement, and another 30 seconds for the wave to come

More than that if you're up against armor.

>RS2 dying
Good riddance. Instead of just making RS with new weapons and vehicles they turned the game into quasi BF/COD/RO mix.

Hands down the clunkiest military shooter I ever played, shit sound design and poor netcode. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking

This is true for room clearing CBQ, in any other instance you're better off with single fire since the first shot recoil has much less horizontal deviation than full auto spray and your reticle automatically resets to the starting position between shots.

It's just so much easier to control.

5.56 literally kills through heavy armor in two bodyshots at under 200~ meters.
See the video in

You might be right, but I will ignore it because muh feels