The Horrible World Of Video Game Crunch

God I wish I were in that clamp

dues are required for them to operate. they prevent wage theft and shitty working conditions, which is worth the price of admission alone

so does twitter lmao

What pisses me off us that the bigwigs make money hand over fist
I could understand this if it were a suffering sector, but it's not. Someone is making billions but the worker bees get jackshit

twitter might sack the occasional racist, but I'd rather work alongside a racist union man than for a dumb over-entitled jew that treats his workers like slaves

>want to kill myself every waking moment
>cant til im done doing shit in life, then ill allow it
>get into game industry
>QA
>because it just so happens they favor people that work hard have nothing to lose, literally
>game is big AAA title
>nothing i havent seen before
>do what they want, feedback, bug reports, participate in mandatory overtime
>want to kill myself with this workload
>encounter a really fucking annoying bug
>it takes 4 months to eliminate it but only because im the only asshole skilled enough to do it to begin with apparently
>my coworkers are all casual shitters
>make it to the end of the temp position and get my shitty paycheck
>a month passes
>get phonecall
>"user, remember that bug you were working on? we need your help for another 6 months or we'll have to remove this whole section, and it'll fuck us over hard"
>???
>tell em about all the other shit they removed for this exact reason
>"Bro just do it, we'll even give you a bonus of whatever you ask for. You were the only think keeping this company together. That and you'll be blacklisted if you dont"
>accept because thats pretty straightforward for a AAA company and thats not too bad in my book
>go in another 6 months
>demand i get a 15% raise as bonus
>settle for 12.5% because i know these jews too well already
>do my shit
>bug is fixed
>get sent complementary retail build of the game
>whole fucking section removed anyway
>ask what the fuck
>"Wait it was removed? Oh SHIT [guy that handles communication between QA and devs that has a name i just dont care for] didn't tell them we fixed it
>mfw
just so we're clear, no its not stable income and its commiefornia. just focus on how retarded crunch makes people.
at the end of the day people like me are scarce (where i will literally sell my life to a company just to get paid like shit, solely because i actually like QA in sadistic way), and that everyone else on QA is an absolute shitter, forcing devs into crunch because they do a shit job

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>I'd rather work alongside a racist union man than for a dumb over-entitled jew that treats his workers like slaves
Who the hell do you think runs the union?

Wow how horrible, imagine having a respectable, interesting career with benefits and your own desk the poor souls.

free energy drinks are the best perk

white men, unironically

imagine being a treyarch goon (I'm guessing)

>implying anyone in burgerstan has "benefits"
unions are the only reason a 5 day work week exists. well, not for you probably. because no unions.

contract work sucks, doesn't it?

>will you sign this contract?
>yes
>will you quit your job?
>no
>will you unionize?
>no
>you are oppressed
t. marx

I work on a AAA game as part of a major franchise and we don’t crunch. The most we’ve had is about 6 weeks where we had to work an additional 8 hours of overtime per week. Even then we are cruising to alpha with no overtime necessary for almost anyone. This is despite a shitload of publisher interference. You don’t need unions to make this happen, you just need to not be shit at your jobs. I realise this is something commies will never understand, however.

It's so weird that Americans are anti-union. Unions are functionally employment militias, used to fight big organizations that single men can not. It's literally an expression of everything that America is about. Personal freedoms and powers.

It's either unions or government intervention. One is more government and the other isn't.

This. People think communism is equivalent to worker's unions but the biggest criticism of communism is an ineffective government. Unions literally are just people. They would exist in an anarcho-capitalistic society.

Any anons in the business, is crunch actually an issue for you or is it just poor managing or lazy workers or what?

funny thing, people eat prototype builds of cod shit up and pay big bucks for it. i could do that, but theres no reason to. i want this shit to end but it sure as hell isnt
no i havent ever worked for treyarch or activision. i have dignity and some integrity left in me still

Linking shit tier blogs, nice
Unions won't fix anything in video games, they will literally just outsource because you're in a field where people are clawing to get into, you can be replaced in 5 seconds with even a first world person, imagine how fast they can replace you with a chink or street shitter.

also meant to reply to you but im tired
>contract work sucks, doesn't it?
hey man if it gets me money to fuel my depressing purchases and alcohol to get by, im game

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crunch is definitely an issue but it's also a lot of poor managing. Think about how much time was taken between Cyberpunk 2077 and Witcher 3 or GTA5 and Red Dead Redemption 2. That's normal for development teams working on literally just one or two games.

Now imagine working at Activision where you are constantly moving people around, releasing games every few months, and working on stuff all the time.

as long as there are people willing to take the dick, the dicking will continue.

have fun with shittier games then? Unless you think a street shitter is both cheaper and putting out a better product, then the corporation would have outsourced my job before I was even hired. It's not like this big gaming corporation is looking out for me lmao.

This is fucking dumb.
I worked as a concept artist for years and "crunching" is as normal in the industry as having a payday.
Why are westerners so fucking squishy? Disgusting I'm telling ya.

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Rockstar has repeatedly been cited for crunch and poor working conditions in the past, user.

>I enjoy getting paid less and working worse hours than I could be having
why are you such a corporate bootlicker?

yeah and they STILL needed that much time, imagine working at a place that was forcing out shit every year

>Be so replaceable chinese and indian literal whos are being interviewed for their spots
>Because these millennial and zoomer fucks are so used to clock watching, they never show up early or leave late, even if it's 5 minutes
>Demanding extravagant pay for un-extravagant work
>WHY WON'T ANYONE HELP ME?
These fuckos are the burger flippers of the digital front, let the rot and we just might see quality in a few years

Because I get paid more than enough, you dumb shit.
I understand that if I don't finish the work that has been assigned to me then it will cause the whole thing to be delayed and eventually fall apart.
Maybe if they hated the work so much then they should have just quit. The people that complained are usually the people that never gets anything done in my experience.

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Game devs wouldn't need to crunch if they weren't shit at their job. If your inspiration for learning to code was "I want to make video games!" then you probably can't code for shit.

>outsourcing to India/china
I work as a software developer in the EU
No Company ever uses 3rd world as developers as anything other than code maintenance
Every new product is made by locals and completed ones that need minor updates and other brainless work goes to the retards

>using a c-clamp
>not using a vise
faggots

What the flying fuck would a concept artist know about crunch? No one needs you to work extra long or extra hard towards the end of the development, they pay you for a lot of work at the beginning of the project when they have lots of time then you fuck off and find a new job after they don't need you anymore.

redpill me on QA
I love writing bug reports, it's my favourite part of playing MMOs.

>tfw getting a useless degree in game design

Wagecuck life it is for me, then.

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Is this game journos way of compensating for not being a real journalists(whatever it means these days)? They want to cover a BIG story but they are stuck writing about glorified toys for children. They finally found a way to write articles that expose big corporations, only noone gives a shit.

You won't actually get hired for that degree, so it's not for you. Maybe flipping burgers in McD.

>playing an mmo
>writing bug reports
>literally doing it for free
fuck jannies

I don't give a fuck. It's not my problem if devs can't allocate their time properly.

think of the one thing you hate about an MMO. now think about having to play it over and over to properly describe the cause and effect of the bug. now think about having to recheck this same thing for the next week or so to ensure its fixed. now imagine if you were assigned this when someone else got the thing you like instead.

it sucks, youll hate it, and it takes a special kind of person to find enjoyment out of it as a regular job

>tfw lost several friends because they wouldn't let me talk them out of a game design major
Why are you retards so determined to destroy your lives?

>What the flying fuck would a concept artist know about crunch?
Fuck off mate, Even if we work at the beginning of the project we got deadlines the same way as the coders do. Not to mention all the 'questions' and 'fixing' that the modelers have all the fucking time.
And concept artists usually work on multiple project at once you cunt, movies, TV shows, vidya, music videos and all that. We're not as free as you made it out to be you stupid ass user.

Honestly, for me, it's a last ditch effort thing at this point. Tried IT, didn't like it. Tried Marketing, hated it with ever fiber of my being. Pretty much have wasted the past 4 years, and I figured I'd at least have some fun with it before I sell my soul to McDonalds.

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>"After decades of attempts by many different groups to bring attention to working conditions in game development and the almost non-stop "crunch"
never happened. People started to hate it when it became profitable on social media. Especially for bystanders that had all the time to complain on said media while others where just working

That sounds alright, unless they don't give me dev tools or commands to cut out 75% of the irrelevant fucking around. I think I would be able to detach myself from the success of the project and just focus on my job.

>dilate, cope, butthurt, daily dose, etc
That's not how anyone from Yea Forums talks, go back redditor

Do you know if you're outsourcing stuff to overworked sods in other companies though, as described in the OP?

>concept artist
>real job
Dude you just have to draw a pretty picture. You did that shit in preschool. At least coding is acctually hard.

>ignoring the effects of even the smallest hint of power on people
>leaders (including union leaders) are the most corruptible people
Why would you ever put another layer of possible corruption on top of yourself is beyond me, it's like you want to get fucked

>more than enough
lmao, literally going "t-they give me enough scraps"

Jesus fuck, you're more of a cuck than they are by far. Legitimately embarrassing that people act like this. Corporate brainwashing at its finest.

Why are people so opinionated about unions?
You'd expect the basic mode of being is workers are in union because otherwise all the power is in the hands of the employee who will pay the minimum possible.

you ALREADY HAVE A BOSS, so you're saying that you enjoy one source of corruption at your expense

Unions in the US tend not to agitate for worker's rights and instead soak up lots of dues while doing nothing and bullying out non-union. On the flipside, when they do agitate they over-agitate and keep going until the plant shuts down and everyone loses their job. We also have bad experiences with the construction union in particular, which ensures construction is always going on and is as SLOW as possible.

there is literally nothing wrong with crunch if you get paid for overtime

why would then, want to add ANOTHER source of corruption at my expense?
At least I know my boss is doing it for money and won't try to sell me his moral position on top of fucking me

I laughed

this.
>implying commies don't support unions

>at your expense
so which is it, unions will fuck you or as stated, they will give you job security even when you do a shit job

someone please answer this

>delay game so devs dont have to go through crunch
>bad for business

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The post you quoted said they don't do anything to earn their dues.

you get access to a devkit, and your own station with or without people next to you (no cubical shit in my experience)
you work together, but separated from the good shit

It's always so weird that conservatives are anti-union when HVAC, construction, and most blue collar jobs are the ones that have the strongest unions

Unions aren't your friend, user.

>make shitty life choices
>it's other peoples fault
thanks for your input

Yet, construction is so slow? Why? Is it because the workers are bad? Why not just fire them. Oh right, the union.

This is bad for the worker, not getting fired.

See Also Unions in the US actually originated as outgrowths/popular movements organized the early 20th century's Socialist and Communist parties, so of course everyone would see them as outgrowths of the groups that started them here.

yeah thats how it works

It's bad for everyone that the workers are doing a poor job and get away with it.

if the entire aaa games industry crashed and all these companies collapsed i'd be happy

except the worker, which the union is protecting and definitely not fucking over

This is about helping women and minorities who are taken on as diversity hires to obtain parity with the best and most hard working people in the industry.

If you love your job now you'll work overtime and achieve a level of greatness in the company, most women don't like this because they hate games and just took the job because it was free to enter (due to affirmative action laws) and pays a lot.

This will lead to simpler games, more bugs and worse experiences. Publishers are not going to pay more money for more staff or longer dev cycles, they will pay the same and give you a worse product because of it.

No crunch? ok you'll get a shit load of bugs and less features, the publishers don't give a shit.

Unions aren't allowed to donate to candidates, but they ARE allowed to donate to PACs (think of it as crowdfunding for a candidate run by a 'third party') and then 'suggest' who the union workers should vote for. So, they do this for the Democrats, always have and always will, so of course the conservatives would dislike them for taking advantage of corrupt political loopholes to support the opposition.

Would like live in a world where unions didnt exist?

There's a balance between makign your life insecure and letting you get away with being a shitter.

Go back to /pol/

I live in a part of the US without unions and I'm fine.

SO IN CONCLUSION, the union leader, despite any hint of corruption, benefits the union worker

I have been doing voluntary crunch the last weeks. And I couldn't be happier.
IMO the greater isue is not devs having to work longer sometimes, but rather devs not being involved enough in the game they're making to want to work longer to get it right. They just see it as work they're forced to do, rather than their passion in life/something they care about.

That said, I'm sure some huge AAA studios drain the last drop of energy out of their employees, then they let them go, just to hire lots of new ones.
But hey, if you apply for such jobs, you know what you're getting into. You go there for the money, to work on whatever project you don't care about.
Otherwise just join a smaller studio.

tldr: Sure, there are some cases of abuse. But most of the time, it's just devs being fags

You're trying to make a point but you're ignoring the wider problem, which was about why people hate the construction union. You also ignored how I said most other unions don't even provide that kind of job security.

If you put the interests of the shitter worker on top of everyone else's (including the population that would benefit of a better product) you are the same kind of faggot that you are painting your bosses at, at least the bosses have the sense to not grandstand on their values

making games is a fucking hobby, like playing in a shitty metal band to a crowd of fifteen people, playing basketball in the worst division, or drawing self-portraits with a buttplug paintbrush

the reason nobody gets paid well and everyone works 80 hour weeks is that there's a horde of willing minds and bodies to step in and take your place if you quit. it's a meme job for stupid dreamers who would rather work 80 hours a week for $15 an hour, instead of working 40 hours a week for $80 an hour and spending their spare time making vidya

Yes unions donating to candidates is totally the big cause of corruption in politics, not the billionaires funding both parties.

Both of these are problems and both of them use the same loopholes, for the most part, user. There can be more than one single overriding problem at a time, but in this case they're using the same mechanism anyway.

As always: the reason for cheese shit conditions is not the managers/industry being greedy, that's a given for any companies, it's the steady supply of gullible regards who would sell mother and father to work there, no better wages/ conditions will appear without a lower supply of gamedevs which will make then rarer and therefore not squeezeable and disposable spare parts.

Have sex you shit-eating mongoloid. Not half-baked sex, not fake sex, not revenge sex, but real fucking sex.

SO IN CONCLUSION unions benefit the union worker

Not all unions are created equal. Factory unions are known for actively harming workers.

>bad for business
only because 'they' don't want to give workers any more power. This is their way of warning Nintendo

I'm the designer for our current gane. I've also coded for a few years. C++ C#. Our concept artist is amazing. She takes my retarded ramblings and makes them come to life for others to see the direction. Concept is important

it benefits shitters. Good workers only see their wages depressed, the public is worse off with an inferior product and society is less efficient as a result of this.
As I said, if you benefit shitters to spite everyone else you should get shot

>Factory unions are known for actively harming workers
elaborate, but you are admitting that they CAN IN FACT help the worker

>Good workers only see their wages depressed
Lmao what you think you get paid more for being the good construction worker versus the bad construction worker?

>implying they care (both the consumers and the publishers)
Look at the consumer goods we have today, chink produced disposable garbage that's not repairable when 40 years back if a piece of electronic hardware didn't come with a repair manual and an the circuit board drawing in the back it was a shit product.

Peoples will buy it as always, just like sports games.

Bitch finda new job and stop bitching

By cutting non-beneficial deals with the factory owners or over-agitating to the point of getting the factory shut down entirely.

They're both bad. Some tiny group A votes for a law that will make everyone else 1% poorer and themselves 10% richer, this happens 20 times for 20 different groups, and now everyone is 10% worse off.

Name the game, bud

nah, nintendo's qa is pretty good.

>developers are treated as slaves more than ever
>videogames quality is all times low
really makes you think

The game being mentioned in the opening image is Trails in the Sky, by the way. That's what life at XSEED was like.

Corporations should continue working their employees hard. We all know the increased quality of games these recent years have been the result of corporations like Activision making smart business moves for their investors.

Thank you corporate America, gaming is great and I hope nothing ever changes!

its almot as if quality is a direct consequence of giving a shit?

Because it's not like when there's not a union breathing down management's neck, they can take risks like promoting people that show promise instead of having to deal with seniority and shit like that. Been there, done that

the issue with unions is basically that they just shouldn't exist
The government should take care of its citizens i.e. it's entire job and make unions obsolete by providing the same rights and benefits
when you think about it it's stupid we even let it get to this point where unions do exist

deez nuts
nintendo isnt a normal game company, so shut the fuck up. literally everyone but them is a pain in the ass sony's R&D is pretty fucked up but its got cool shit

>it's a basement dwellers on Yea Forums try to talk about the real world thread

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