Why did it fail?

too weeb for normalfags, and weebs were upset by the retarded censorship that thought an 18 year old character in a wedding dress was too lewd for NA. basically treehouse tried to chase two rabbits and caught neither.

>Reveal the game as one thing
>Final game is completely different

Censorship

Because we wanted SMTxFE, not PersonaxVocaloid ft. FEAwakening

>good turn based combat.
So it's like dry water then.

How could it fail it had it all

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It was on the fucking Wii U.

zoom zoom zoom

>yes yes yes
Thanks for clearing that up.

>PersonaxVocaloid ft. FEAwakening
that sounds like the best thing ever

Dry water is ice, you donut. And good turn based combat is possible, it just have to have a semblance of thinking through your moves beyond "spam this move to win"

I didn't get it because it was censored. now I won't get it because I became a fan of SMT and this game now makes me sick to look at because idolshit doesn't belong in FE or SMT.

>ice is dry
Yep, this is your brain on turn-based "combat"

People thought we were getting SMTxFE but we got weeb garbage instead.
Never felt so betrayed from a single game and im glad this shit crashed and burned.

>wii u

there's your answer

>FE X SMT revealed, a crossover that would print money because FE was super popular again at the time
>will it be a SMT game with tactical RPG combat
>will it be a FE dungeon crawler
>"uhm guys it's not actually either of those. please understand."
>It's some idol game with combat that is kinda like Persona but not really
>completely remove the crossover title and give it some name about Tokyo
>no one was asking for this
>fans of both franchises hate it
>impossible to market to anyone besides people who were desperate for anything on Wii U or the most hardcore of weebs
>oh yeah it's also on Wii U and the console is already dying

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>niche game released on Wii U
>Censored
>The awful reveal which confused a lot of people

Decent game overall though. Deserves a Switch port.

Dead console, censorship out the ass. It is pretty obvious why it failed.

As has been said repeatedly, many people were expecting something entirely different based on the hype and advertising. The game also suffered from troubled localization by Nintendo, and it was stuck on the WiiU which was basically an aborted console

Aside being an exclusive on a dead console
People expected FE x SMT and they got idolshit garbage

I'm with ya on this one, Scourge. Why did they even think this was a good idea?

>teased as a crossover, final product had very little to do with either series
>entire game was idolshit, which is way out of place with either series, even persona
>no dark twist, everything is completely unironic
>every character is a generic trope
>on wii u

>It's not dry because when I touch it it becomes wet
>What do you mean heat from my skin is melting the ice back into water again

No wonder you don't like turn based combat, you're too stupid for it.

This

>me clicky menus
>me so smart

Censorship. The gameplay, story, and characters are all great.

Wii U exclusive
Ridiculous censorship
No dub to attract normalfags who might be curious

I find it ironic that Persona 4 gives you a character about how shitty the idol industry is in Japan and then years later they make a game that does nothing but glorify the idol industry.

Everyone wanted classic FE vs SMT.
They got nu-FE vs persona.

Originally announcing it as an SMT and FE crossover was a fucking dumb idea. You give people ideas and impressions of what the game should be then, and I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who gleans from that statement that it's an anime as fuck idol singing game. I'm not even against that as a theme, I like weebshit, but you can't misdirect people that badly and expect a positive reception. Just absolute shit optics on an above average at best game, fire everyone involved for tripping over their own assholes so hard.

Because the game is gay as fuck and was the complete opposite of what people thought it would be. Fuck niggers

It's a shame about all the censorship shit, fan outcry, being held hostage on the god damn Wii U, etc.

The game is actually really good. Hopefully it can get ported to the Switch along with The Wonderful 101.

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I saw it in stores and had no idea what it was. THIS was the FExSMT crossover I completely forgot existed? Damn.

Omega Quintet had darker themes that this SMTxFE game.

Turn based combat is the only good kind. Fuck action games.

>>>completely remove the crossover title and give it some name about Tokyo
It's TMS#FE you dense fuck, literally a pun on SMTxFE

I was going to buy it, but then I saw both the singing and the censorship.

several factors
>WiiU exclusive
>unnecessary censorship
>Nintendo trying to push this as something it was never going to be

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I remember when it was announced. I watched the trailer and it's so confusing with what was going on and then it was Iwata or whoever who just goes "THE WAIT IS FINALLY OVER, THIS IS THE SMTXFE CROSSOVER"

I just wanted a FE game where I could recruit demons.

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Dead console, appealed to neither of the fandoms it drew material from, shit story, and it played like shit.

>It's TMS#FE you dense fuck, literally a pun on SMTxFE

but still not a crossover that was teased:
youtube.com/watch?v=OK5-EIzDtKo

It's better than any Shitsona game. I had to pirate it because of the censorship, would have bought it otherwise. Pretty good game. Really liked the character models and how animated they were during dialogue, far better than 2D sprites that most jrpgs do now during dialogue.

SMT characters with FE gameplay would have been awesome, I'm so curious why they decided to sabotage themselves with an idol game.

censorship

This trailer still hurts, fucking delete this post

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>TMS and SMT share the same letters, so it must be related to SMT!

I like both SMT and FE and I am glad we didn't get the boring generic crossover garbage most of you fags wanted. A shitty srpg with dumb cameos. Go play rubbish like Project x Zone

Trying to mix high fantasy with the post-apo technophile world of SMT was stupid from the get go. The retard that even suggest such a crossover should have been fired the next day.

Instead you got a vapid idol game that bombed because there was zero demographic for it. At least a fanservice game would make profit.

Just because it's not the imaginary crossover you made up in your head doesn't mean it's not a crossover.

So, instead we got a generic higschool JRPG? With singing?!

Greentexting it sarcastically isn't going to make it not true. That was the entire point of naming it that, if you can't see that you're clinically retarded.

TMS is the game SMTfags think Persona is, and the game old-FE fans think new-FE
is. You can't intentionally be that saccharine and vapid and expect the average person to care at all, and then it was censored so that not even hardcore idol fans would want anything to do with it. It was a nothing game for nobody.

Literally like 15 seconds of the game take place in a highschool and it's the fucking animated intro cinematic. Play games before you lie about them on the internet, faggot.

I got a vapid idol game that is basically what I would prefer Persona to be like, trim the fat of all the boring social links and calendar sim. I'm happy. I don't care about sales. It's a bonus it makes tards like you mad.
>generic highschool jrpg
You never go to school. Go play shitsona.

Man, hard to believe this turned into Tokyo Mirage Sessions. There has to be a story behind this game where they scrapped concepts left and right after this announcement. The game we got feels like a concept that existed outside of both franchises, and Nintendo just panicked and forced in FE and SMT elements into this random game and said "Here's your crossover, enjoy."

Imagine having high enough estrogen to believe this

Except there’s nothing in the game that indicates anything SMT related. FE had their singing characters, but for SMT there is nothing. The TMS name may have once indicated a crossover, but there’s nothing in game to support that.
Why are you so adamant about this?

Or maybe you are fucking stupid and can't process the obvious. NoA wanted to show SOMETHING during that dull as fuck e3 and slapped together a montage of character sprites and had no idea what the game was going to be.

There are interviews where they say the progression of the game to the state it ended up in was really organic, and the only thing that existed at the time of the trailer WAS the concept of a crossover. There wasn't a game in development yet.

not my fault, I bought 2 copies
I even have the pre-order bonus towel
port it to Switch for fuck's sake

>nothing in the game that indicates anything SMT related.
Except the gameplay, skill names, story,etc retard. I'm sure you'll greentext story but it is textbook Atlus shit.

You want games to make profit because then you get more of them, brainlet. There will never be a sequel to this game, and I'm sure everyone involved will be incredibly leery about emulating the design choices because old Japs can only look at numbers and if they're low they jettison everything. All you have is enjoying people bitterly wishing for something less trash, which I suppose is peak Yea Forums so carry on.

>the game being an SMT game with FE characters doesn't indicate that it's SMT related
You've gotta be inbred or something, do you even know what the game is?
>FE had their singing characters
No, you clearly don't. Never post about this game again.

Devil Survivor already combines FE turn based strategy with demon collecting. Not sure why they didn’t just adapt that.

ahead of its time, people love weeb games now

A part of me believes Atlus pulled out of the project right before development started.

Atlus made the game moron

>There has to be a story behind this game where they scrapped concepts left and right after this announcement.
I don't remember the interview, but basically they were throwing around ideas, someone came up with the game you expect when someone says SMTxFE, someone else said "isn't that just Devil Survivor?" so they went hard on the "modern day" angle which someone else steered into "idol industry."

>You want games to make profit
No, I want games to be fun.
>There will never be a sequel to this game
So? It doesn't need one.

Nintendo should of said that SMTxFE was dead and not brand TMS as the crossover

I can forgive the setting. I can forgive the idolshit. I can even forgive that SMT and FE characters were just mainly cameos and that OCs took the foreground. What I absolutely cannot stand is how fucking retarded the characters are. Especially Itsuki. Holy fuck, he's just fanfiction self-insert to the absolute maximum degree.

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>Not sure why they didn’t just adapt that.
Because making another Devil Survivor with FE characters isn't what they wanted to do.

Itsuki is painfully dumb but it's not like he's the worst MegaTen protagonist, and he's definitely not the worst FE lord.

I have to wonder if this game would have even made the meager sales it did without the controversy and vaguely being an FE and SMT game if you squint real hard. It sold less in Japan than in America, so evidently people were not interested in idolshit even in the promised land of idolshit.

If Egg and friends got an RPG I'd buy the shit out of it.

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>crossover of 2 franchises
>somehow manages to appeal to absolutely no one in either fanbase

That's quite an accomplishment in itself.

>No, you clearly don't. Never post about this game again.

youtube.com/watch?v=MTl8gDQiKiE

youtube.com/watch?v=IL-_OMmB9ik

Mamori is the best girl

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the game or the console

>dead console
>doesn't know what audience it wants
>pissed off two fanbases
>the few defenders it has that have played it all the way through and acknowledge it for the above average JRPG it is get drowned out by the above groups
>that fucking climax

>Pokemon Conquest, one of the most nonsensical crossover ideas ever that had everyone laugh at how absurd it sounded
>delivered one of the best Pokemon spinoff games

There are no excuses.

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YOU
WERE
NEVER
PROMISED
A
CROSSOVER

>never promised a crossover

that trailer says otherwise

Pokemon Conquest was an actual crossover, like Hashtag FE

>ATLUS presents Shin-Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem

What do you expect people to think from that?

I remember playing this game on an emulator like a year ago, the game was pretty boring, I only played like two hours of the game and put it down to never played it again.

show me in the trailer that said it was SMTxFE franchise crossover rather than just a developer crossover

I'll wait

Now you're just shitposting.
They never called the project Atlus X Intelligent Systems did they?

>show me in the trailer that said it was SMTxFE franchise crossover

the fucking title of:
youtube.com/watch?v=OK5-EIzDtKo

It sold like shit in Japan just for the record. The censorship had nothing to do with it's failure. Hell it actually sold more outside Japan. It only sold around 30,000 units on it's first week.

>no details other than stock footage
>IT MUST BE A CROSSOVER

you set yourself up for KOWASHITAAAAAAA

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Something, something, censorship. Actually, the censorship was just one of a bunch of factors working against it.

>on a console with a tiny install base
>pissed off fans of both franchises it was supposed to meld together
>meant to plug for some IRL idol promotion
>localized by the Treehouse, whose name was mud back then because of how badly they fucked up the localization for other games

Nintendo sent this game out to die on both sides of the Pacific.

why wouldn't they mention "From the makers of Fire Emblem and Persona" when shilling an idea for a game? the developers flat out admitted they had no idea what the fuck they were doing at that point in time and the idol stuff was the only solid idea they had that worked in their eyes.

I think Nintendo set themselves up with those abysmal sales, we're all losers when it comes to this game, aside from the 52 people who actually liked it. And good on them if they do, I legitimately wish I could like any game I got my hands on like that, having taste limits my options and it's frustrating.

look at the title of the video that posted

there is your proof that a crossover was going to be made

They never mentioned "From the developers" and used the franchises instead to market the game, but good for you on not being misled by that announcement.
If only the rest of the peopple misled had your superior insight.

Are there any other other crossover games that actually failed to appeal to people in both fanbases at once? It's sounds almost impossible on paper.

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Yeah, except it isn't. In any timeline of any universe.

Well good for you that you're so enlightened and easily see all the devs' intentions. But you do not reflect what the majority of the audience of both franchises got from the trailer.

Does Playstation All Stars count as a crossover game? Because that was a miserable failure as well.

I'd say the Mario & Sonic olympic games and the Itadaki Street crossovers but they're all good games filled with fanservice in their own righs.

TMS#FE is almost devoid of fanservice beyond the FE characters as stand ripoffs and ability/magic names.

I fucking love this game, thanks for the daily reminder that it exists.

So you're saying the majority of both fanbases didn't expect a crossover?

>Persona
Where's the Persona?

It acbhieved it's goal of being a crossover of Playstation characters at the very least. Can't say the same about #FE.

Imagine Jedah and Mastema teaming up against you

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>awakening
Wasn’t the game an archanea wankfest?

That's true. What you saw is what you got, so I suppose it's apples to oranges.

>censorship
yeah that was totally the reason why it failed

That’s basically devil survivor, I’d rather just get a third one of that honestly

Censorship and butchering
And also this

It was more of an Awakening wankfest than an Archanaea wankfest but you're not wrong either way.

>Wii U
>Alienating both SMT/FE fags
>Treehouse alienating the few people that were intersted in the game

Though I do have to wonder what it would have been if it wasn't idols. As mentioned wouldn't it just have been Devil Survivor with the weapon triangle? What else could they have done (granted idols is pretty far out there)? The only other thing I can think of is a PxZ-style game.

This song is based

Iwata literally called it a crossover after it was announced as TMS#FE

Does it matter? It’s a good thing it did.

Censorship + niche game on a niche console.
Also the story is extremely boring. In their attempt to make a game based around showbiz, they focused too much on it and on the real world. The game feels more like a slice of life than a fantasy RPG.

Financially it was a success because it moved ticket sales or something.

It makes me wonder how well this would've did if it was just a simple crossover and wasn't censored. Out of all the complaints, people apparently enjoyed the core gameplay to it.

>tfw idolshit is the closest we'll ever get to a modernized Fire Emblem game

advance wars

I unironically like this shit

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Shitty controller
Childish games
Fucking shit name
Attrocious advertising
Low library
Has the worst smash in the series
Low life span
Biggest regret of a purchase I've made

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Pokemon Conquest sucked ass

I frequented this dude back then and he influenced me to buy it youtube.com/channel/UC2vUKoTGIwNYq4LO0YWKPIg

>generic weebshit
I wonder why