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>As for Epic, which has recently challenged Steam’s supremacy by offering a better revenue share to developers and store-wide subsidized discount during a recent sale, Sega doesn’t seem sold. For Clark, it’s not just about the 88/12 revenue split (versus Steam’s baseline 70/30 platform fee). Sega seems unlikely to be the next surprise Epic-exclusive publisher.
>“We've built up an incredibly strong long-term business with Steam,” he said. “That's a great relationship for us, and we see it as a long-term relationship moving forward as well. With Epic coming to the table, we're really excited by that too, and we're really excited to see what that would bring to the market, what opportunities are to extend the reach via that content. And for us, it's not just about evaluating the revenue share. It's a really important component to it, one that has to be taken into account. But it's not just about that. It's about how you work to send your content to the consumers and deliver an ongoing experience and deliver a relationship.”
Pretty based that they prefer integrity over a quick payday.
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This is why epic will fail in the long term, there's more to selling games than raw profit margins
ironically it also helps them since it means fewer exclusives to pay for
I'm glad to see this, having ties based on respect gives me some hope for the industry.
I wouldn't even mind Epic if they didn't enforce exclusivity as their main selling point
I'm glad to see Japs rejecting Chinkstore
okay this is epic
He has been very salty since the summer sale started.
I'm ok if they put the games on both stores but I will always go for Steam or Gog versions.
And as long as they put my Rouge in their games they have my purchase secured.
Sega has a strong presence and following on Steam and abandoning it for a cheap boost of free sales on EGS is a stupid move in the long run, especially if Epic abandons this store in less than a year like they do for most projects that aren't Fortnite BR levels of success
It's only cause Japs really hate chinks
I would be very upset if Epic nabbed Puyo Puyo. I hope Anno 1800 is a fluke and I don't need to buy future Anno games on EGS. I guess I could buy them directly from uplay but I like having steam forums, achievements, etc.
Based!
But anno is ubisofts IP, what does that have to do with sega?
you get achievements on uplay and they actually mean something because you can spend the points on extra in game things (eg. you can 'buy' unique cosmetic things for anno) and game discounts.
>we get shekels upfront, but can't sustain it in the long run since few will buy our shit
>we get more shekels in the long run because there are more buyers in the other one
Publishers can still sell games on the Epic Store if they don't agree to an exclusivity deal, right? Epic is just buying up exclusives in order to drive traffic away from Steam, correct?
I would think if it's the former that's 80s Nintendo-tier shit.
yes and yes
>Capcom
>Bamco
>Sega
>SNK
>etc.
Okay. Someone explain to my how Steam has such a strong stranglehold on Japanese devs?
Yes to both
yes there's games that are on epic and steam at the same time
>Shenmue 3 on Epic
lol Sega is just salty
It just happened to exist when they decided to sell games on PC
>First pic related
>Now this
Why is SEGA so based, bros?
why is everyone seething about the stupid stores? just play the fucking game, what does it matter on what launcher it's available?
steam has a lot of payment options that work in japan specifically, that helps a ton
then you have the large numbers of weebs on steam which means japanese devs know they can make bank by appealing to them
in the past it didn't happen but games like dark souls found a lot of success on PC which really opened the gates for other japanese companies
>Shemue 3 on Epic
And that's a good thing!
Forced exclusivity would be suicide, or at least keep them from being recognized in the same way as Steam.
Nintendo's practice was different, it would only be the same if it were Steam buying people out.
I was just talking about EGS in general and stuff they did that pissed me off. I just went on a tangent, sorry.
Ya I have both that and Steam. I'm annoyed that I can't see the achievements on Steam though.
I feel like future game crowdfunds will have to specifically say "we're not going to accept an exclusivity offer" in their pitch.
Based Sega.
This but also because they directly pander to the backasswards way, especially nips, Asians like to pay for their games.
Epic has a very shitty history with PC gaming, no one should be giving them money for anything
>All I can say is that in working with Atlus, we felt incredibly privileged to be able to bring Catherine to PC,” Clark explained. “And we feel more strongly that there was positive feedback from the community, and we hope that there are people at Atlus who take that into account and do see the positivity of that. It hopefully has a positive impact on our titles going forward, but I can't speak on behalf of them. All I can say is, step one was always about getting Catherine onto Steam, and we're so pleased that we had the opportunity with Atlus to be able to do that.
just fucking force em to port P5 to PC already, that's extra cash for fucks sake, why they don't want it?
They always were. They even supported the master system long after the mega drive/genesis was released
>Pretty based that they prefer integrity over a quick payday.
Except it's the opposite, they want a quick payday now that's why they take gaben fat cock in the ass and give him 30% of their profit instead of slowly building a future where they mare 25% more profits, but that requires sacrifices and hard work.
By virtue of being a modern platform you can pull in a lot of Japanese traffic. Their internet structure is fucked up, so bringing in Western companies means they can sell to a domestic and global audience
Steam in particular has a large share because there is a low barrier to entry. Valve has done a lot to allow smaller developers to sell games, even if the system gets berated by people here.
Yeah that's nice and all but where's the JSRF port, SEGA?
>stranglehold
Do you know just how fucking long it took valve to convince those hard-headed slants to actually try steam?
>we already built up a long term relationship with steam
>let's abandon it for free money
They'll milk consolefags dry first.
Some people ask me if it's hard to be based, and then I tell them "It's all in the SONIC SPEED!"
Companies doing deals with Epic are a) just wanting money and don't care if customers are buying the games or if Epic are or b) already in bed with Tencent (like ubisoft)
It's more important to have a fanbase if you want long-term sustainability, if you just want a quick pay day you take the epic money and go do something else.
If not because of legal or financial obligations, probably because they suck at porting
Signing an exclusivity deal is not a slow or hard thing to do.
Obviously anybody else could just sell their games on both platforms, but Epic is harder to get on and the sales figures don't make it worth the time.
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Do you see this shit? Years ago it was unthinkable to see daily steam threads in 2chan. Now they're almost always a thing. And with the rise of virtual yuuchubas who also inadvertently shill for Steam, Valve has perfectly gotten away with penetrating the japanese market. Which is honestly good because that means more nip games for us.
>Sonic Mania 2 won't be epic exclusive
thank god.
Pretty sure sega europe takes care of porting, catherine wasnt ported by atlus themself
>barely any images
this is so weird to see
what are the nips' opinions on epic?
Piracy. Atlus don't want to devalue their games.
>implying we'll even get a mania 2
>piracy doesn't exist on consoles
Altus's games are already being pirated through everything
>EGS doesn't have the autistic gift card option that they avail at convenience stores
Of course the nips hate the store.
shoulda kept their games off psp then
Piracy on consoles involves a risk. Piracy on PC is risk free.
shill detected
I played PQ2 two weeks before it officially released due to piracy.
nah, it's easy as fuck, ps3 copy got pirated to death cuz nobody gives a shit about an old console anymore
what risk? soldering modchips has 0 risk
Only if you're a fucking retard
None of them have their own store/launcher, and they refuse to depend on chinks
They have exclusivity deals with Valve.
>inb4 Sweeney says it’s Valve’s fault that Sega doesn’t want to use Epic store
fucking based af
Valve doesn't give a shit to force them into contracts
How dare they have business relations, it's not fair
Because steam JUST got to japan in any meaningful way. It took nearly 2 decades for steam to gather any sort of userbase in japan, and sega isn't going to chuck that in the trash. You don't even have to use EGS to play fortnite in japan despite it's massive popularity, it's hosted through a third party publisher.
>a risk
Is baby scared someone will come and arrest him if he pirates console games?
says who?
Based japs
SEGA does what Epic won't.
Why would you not buy ubishit in the ubishit store? Why would you want to log in twice to play your ubishit?
Everyone keeps mentioning that the japs pay for their games differently but how the fuck do they do it?
What service exactly does steam offer? Is it really that big of a deal?
Japanese people are honour>profit oriented
Yes, but the EGS is such a hack job of spaghetti code that adding a game actually consumes a sizable chunk of man hours.
> Valve doesn't give a shit to force them into contracts
Nobody forces publishers to make a deal with epic too.
Valve clearly has some kind of agreement with them in exchange of better revenue split.
For some fucking reason, Atlus likes to act independently from Sega.
>offering a better revenue share to developers
publishers*
game journos are such a joke
Can you substantiate your claims?
> refuse to depend on chinks
eventhubs.com
That’s unlikely to happen for the same reasons the tony hawk games will never get rereleases
What does
SEGA
Stand for?
Like the Name they have. The SE and the GA.
Why is it named that?
What's an Nintendo?
Are they nouns or adjectives?
Everyone is aware how much bad will comes with taking the epic deal at this point, only desperate indies are taking them
Do you really believe that big publishers had regular 70\30 split?
Sega stands for SErvice GAmes user. They are sole proprietors of Arcade cabinets back in the early 1980s
holy fucking shit fucking stop with this Square Enix has a partnership with Tencent the world isn't comically racist like you are
pretty sure ubisoft doesn't put achievements on steam, just saying
VtMB2 is one of those games that are on both
service games
You do know that Shenmue is one of the reasons Sega almost died?
SEGA stands for Shy Epic Games Ally.
nice blaze
Do big publishers even need more profits when their profits are already large to begin with?
Do you have any idea of profit size?
they use gift cards and weird japanese payment processors
they don't trust credit cards as much as we do in the west, if they can pay with cash they'll pay with cash
>Piracy on consoles involves a risk.
if you are that fucking dumb one like those console peasants, yeah high risk due to your being brainlet. In fact, pirating games on the console is fucking easy as PC.
>>Nobody forces publishers to make a deal with epic too.
>Valve clearly has some kind of agreement with them in exchange of better revenue split.
there's a difference between 'I will sell your game' and 'I will sell your game but no one else is allowed to sell it'
This, if something, SEGA is loling hard at the dumpster fire that Shen3 is going to be.
To be this good takes Ages
great now port yakuza 3 you fucks
It took a fucking DECADE for japanese publishers to hop on board with steam. They're hard-headed rocks and once they do an honorabu business partnership it usually sticks.
Nintendo is an adjective in order to avoid trademark genericization.
Is there proof of an exclusivity agreement? Valve could be negotiating a better split to have them on PC at all rather than on just their own platform, but it works well enough that they wouldn't bother changing. Exclusivity deals typically involve up front payment and contracted for a set amount of time. SEGA et al. would jump ship after it expired, and we would see their stuff in other places at otherwise poor times to launch them.
It's not so much that Shenmue was bad as it was a expensive and risky game for a company that was already in trouble.
>in the west
last time we had one of these threads some krauts came out to say that they only use debit cards
you know used games are a form of piracy right?
So much for MUH JAPANESE LAW HURR DURR
Fucking based
Based F**king Sega!!!
If you look at just licensing and not consumer protection laws.
Basically this.
Japs can be a pain in the ass, but when they sign a contract with you, you know you're in with someone that will honor it.
Well Valve technically did have that new caveat to the revenue split where it drops down to 25% and 20% if you sell enough games. I could see that as something to reel in the nips.
wtf Yea Forums now i feel like buying the entire Sonic franchise!?
>watch this presentation
>nips use retail cards for 90% of the time
Yeah, EGS doesn't even offer that, japan and other asian countries won't switch to the chink store without them.
But that's still more than 12%
Sega hasn't been relevant since the early 2000's
They're desperate to stay relevant by pretending to be the good guys and pandering to r/pcmasterrace
>real life events during ww2 and all the war crimes are just comic reliefs
go back cry about niggers and man spreading on tumblr or wherever you suck dicks
The sales numbers and accessibility features probably close that gap
Sega has made a shitload off steam in the last 2 years I doubt they’d want to stop that train
This is cool and all but when the fuck are Atlus going to let Persona out to PC?
I can show off my hours in steam.
>Pretty based that they prefer integrity over a quick payday.
It is not really about that. Shit is more about them being free to do whatever the fuck they may choose to. Since as shit as steam may be at times they are as a platform are quite genuinely libertarian as all fuck. Which is to say they follow the NAP and unless shit gets out of hand to the point of making mainstream negative type of news. They let all sorts of third party stores do whatever the fuck they may, even the grey as fuck ones quite a bit, they rarely if ever actively leverage their position against others.
The Epic store on the other hand hast started out the gate throwing the weight of the check book around. So unlike steams track record as mentioned above. Who knows just what shenanigans the epic store may end up pulling ,especially if its number 1, to keep its place in the market. Since the epic sale thing a showed that they at least at this time give little to no shits about devs and publishers opinion on the matter and what they may want to do. So given epics short yet busy as all fuck track record they have this early in their existance shown to so blatantly be out for themselves despite what others say and some just dont want to take the gamble of ending up being dependent on a store front that just may fuck over everyone else wanting and selling shit on their store for their own sake.
This explains why PC gaming in Japan is thriving like crazy.
>Famitsu estimates there are 15 million pc gamers vs 23 million console gamers in Japan. More interesting is it says there was a 50% increase in just one year. That's unbelievable growth if the numbers are accurate.
s.famitsu.com
>Here's another article about a 80% increase in gaming PC sales at one location compared to last year:
The based honorable spirit of the samurai.
>Which is to say they follow the NAP
Unless you're a porn game then your fate is on a diceroll
And this is why Valve is too busy doing this shit
youtube.com
than ever paying attention to Epic.
Getting your account/console banned. The only people that don't care about this are people who don't play online which already limits it to a massive minority of people.
I have liked SEGA for almost 3 decades now, I hope they're still around and doing fine as I kick the bucket.
Or people who use emulators
Who will be the first nip publisher to sell out? I've got money on SE with Avengers and FF7R.
>get a mic
>I WILL SPEAK LOUDER
Based Gaben.
Sega have always been the good guys
Too bad they're fucking incompetent as all hell
Makes sense after the trainwreck of his summer sale.
Keep crying, egs shill.
*ahem*
FUCK CHINKS
>thriving like crazy
what? SEGA's own financial report say otherwise
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page 38
wait a minute... she wears trousers and gloves or that is her white fur?
Borderlands 3 can only get 6 months exclusive. I doubt they can afford FF7R exclusivity more than 3 months.
>excuse me let me suddenly do a summer sale without telling my publishers
>SNK
>Japan
Based af
Being the underdog doesn't mean you're good
SEGA was very shitty in the 90s
Better incompetent then sell-outs to Disney/Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft with how restrictive they are with their IPs and their rules.
Haha, what if we like, just sold pre-orders for under five quid without telling our business partners.
It's hard to make deals with PC exclusive platforms when the only times your games get ported to PC is when a foreign branch goes rogue and does it instead
Bandai with some of their shittier IPs.
That's actually true.
Will there come a time where Epic exclusivity only lasts for 3 months let alone 1 months if the game is high profile enough?
Im willing to bet that the numbere in that other guy's post counts VN's as games.
BADASS!
Trou and Gloves. Basically they are styled to mimic furflairs that you can see at the end of stylish coats/tees and Pants.
SNK actually premiered a lot of their Windows, OS X and Linux ports on Humble Bundle. A bunch of them never were released on Steam, but are on GOG.com.
>shills for the ebin sale
>removes his game from the marketplace
What did Randy mean by this?
>(Source: Referred the worldwide figure using IDG report_Nov.2017 as a base)
Old data. Everything is changing so fast.
Japanese who still play at home and not just handhelds are looking for kino experiences. Inagine all the games they get exposed to on PC that they wouldn't have found on Switch or PS4. Not to mention that I'm sure the Japanese can appreciate the freedom and power PC can offer within a reasonable budget.
>a foreign branch
>tfw you got mad at the foreign branch during the 90's making good business decisions and then you sabotage them and then almost kill your company
MUH HONORU AT ALL TRIMES
nah, I won't go that far, it's just browser games though, proto mobages
Most of the old sega userbase is on steam.
Their games sell well on pc and nintendos.
I am glad they took a good decision, lately they made a couple of mistakes, namely forces and dow 3.
That he doesn't manage the distribution of Borderlands.
He's an idiot who didn't even consult his publishers before making that tweet.
Or any tweet, really.
The reason Sega almost died is because of the horrible decisions leading up to Shenmue, they expected it to save them from the trainwreck and when it didn't they used it as a scapegoat and basically ruined Yu Suzuki's career
Because they've done this rodeo before and they've learned a lot from that
Theyre aware that inconveniencing their customers for a quick buck will not be worth it ultimately.
Note how it says nowhere that epic tries to cobvince customers or tries to deliver a superior product.
The west has slid into corporate socialism, where its all about getting q monopoly to dictate terms to customers instead of trying to beat your competirion by being better, as it would be under actual capitalism. Only that cuszomers do notice after all, since the powers of marketing arent as universal as these faggots believe. The nips get that.
That even that badass Randy is just a baby to papa 2K.
and VC4 sadly
The people who have computers that can emulate modern consoles are in an even smaller minority than those who are okay with not having multiplayer. Let's also not ignore the fact that the general public believes pirating is immoral which lowers the amount of people who would pirate on consoles even further.
I will never understand the way Sega redeemed themselves by porting everything.
Incredibly based.
Everybody on PC sees the series as a 20 something quid game, VC4 released at fucking 40 quid.
They really should have looked at the project a bit more.
The Shenmue series was way too ambitious for a last gasp at reeling in profits. And Sega still made it worse.
Rape of Nanking 2.
Count TSR as their latest fuck up. Shit's bugged on Steam.
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Bless their hearts
This game is a guilty pleasure as much as Forces was. I know it has flaws and people are complaining alot but man these glitches are gold.
Sega probably already got better split from steam. B2B deal is never set on stone.
And yet somehow even on PC they still price games about $60
isnt there a thing in japan called DM with pc games just for them?
based
How can Sega be so based but also be so fucking incompetent at the same time?
Will they ever have a Capcom-tier come back?
Sega has and always will be a company of soul, even their shittiest, glitchiest games had some soul. It cost them when things got big and crazy because they weren’t number crunches and made stupid shit like Shenmue, but you can’t put a price on soul.
Reminder the wrong first party died in the 6th generation. Sega was at their most creative on the Saturn and Dreamcast and Nintendo continued to stifle opportunities, putting out mediocre titles because, in their own words "the fans will buy it anyway." Nintendo should have died, Sega always cared about their games unlike Nintendo who deep down is just a hollow card company looking for the next buck. In Sega, it's in the name: Service Games.
Imagine SEGA moving FM elsewhere exclusively
They sealed their fate when they released the 32x and then released the Saturn like a month later, they lost a lot of consumer trust in the west after that
>dow 3
I'm gonna go ahead and say that fuck up was all on relic, their team is full of soi now and those motherfuckers gave up on the game completely
imagine, a trainwreck like no man's sky could make a turn around but relic couldn't fix dow3
>As for Epic, which has recently challenged Steam’s supremacy by offering a better revenue share to developers
Am I the only one here annoyed by the wording? They didn't just say Epic provided bigger revenue shares, it says "better" revenue shares. I'm starting to pick up stuff like this in controlled media and it's really bugging me.
it flopped on consoles too though
I worry about when Yakuza will reach that point on PC, they're doing it gradually but they clearly still aren't okay with it because Kiwami 2 is cheaper than on console
Just pay attention to the quoted words mate. Everything else has sprinkles of shilling placed by journos.
im doubting that, they would probably release on epic as well but im sure epic has some weird contracts now if you are also on steam
what they meant to say is that they are living off pso2 and they dont want to participate in cloud gaming because pso2cloud kinda died on arrival
No, they have lots of games available on Steam too. The reason they don't have more it's because unless someone pays you, there's little to no reason to bother with Epic Games Store.
Steam gives a larger cut with games that sell more than x million units so it's entirely publisher-agnostic and applies equally to all games.
Regardless of whether you think that's a fair arrangement for non-AAA games that don't sell x million times your claim is bullshit.
Sega's main moneymakers at this point are Total War and Football Manager, so I don't think it's a stretch to say that Steam is literally keeping their gaming division above water.
People stream more Sega games on Twitch then Nintendo. You know it to be true.
I'm glad they didn't have to wad through the hell of developing consoles any more. Who knows what would've happened.
Not him, but at some point you forgive and try to move on. Not everyone wants to let old grudges simmer, especially if they're not from the same generation that experienced it. All those survivors that still remember those war crimes they experienced first hand, sure, they have a right to be upset and demand justice and they may never move on. But their grand children, and their great grand children, they're not the same people. The same with the enemy at the time. All their grand children and great grand children shouldn't have to pay for crimes they never committed. The idea is to make a better life for your children so that their lives become easier and then their children as well. There's no need to burden them with unnecessary hate or grudges. You teach them history so they don't make the same mistakes your generation made. You never forget, but you can still forgive.
Say that to people that want to kill all whites.
Same guy here, to those people we show no mercy, sadly in order to forgive and move on user we need to kill all niggers.
>watching this presentation
Unrelated to that post, but. Valve made their own global network. Own fucking network. Free to use for anyone who releases shit on steam. Both steam and non-steam versions of games. Meaning no more VPN use with anything steam. No more network congestions from any other traffic. They've got their own transcontinental pipes.
Basically, they have WAY too much cash to throw around.
Add Konami, since 2015 they are releasing almost all their games on steam.
Because japs are notoriously slow to adapt to change. If jap companies start switching to epic exclusives that's pretty much their entire jap audience gone since they won't switch to epic.
Lucky for Steam to get them first before others. Epic has no chance of defeating Steam period.
>Basically, they have WAY too much cash to throw around.
This should have been obvious years ago.
And it's even more obvious now that they've released the Index. Valve is essentially one massive glorified tech R&D company. Which is good but also bad for people who actually want Valve games.
>I'm starting to pick up stuff like this in controlled media and it's really bugging me.
Starting too? Since day one, these journo cucks have been pushing this story about how so much better Epic is to these poor little developers. At no point did these fuckers bother to do some actual fucking research and ask why the split is what it currently is and how exactly is Epix able to offer anything lower. Tim said it himself, it's not sustainable, it's not going to last forever, but not a single article brings it up. Not a single article brings up what it cost to host a game on steam along with all its services such as automated payment transaction systems that supports multiple payment methods, content distribution, customer support, etc. None of that ever comes up in these articles. The revenue split, as far as these dumb journos make it seem, is an arbitrary amount decided by Valve. And did you notice that all these articles all appeared at the exact same time, with practically similar headlines? They don't even try to hide it. They had a story to push because these fuckers were bought out.
>Because japs are notoriously slow to adapt to change.
Thank god for that.
Most modern "change" has been meaningless shit outside of stuff like credit cards.
>Sega
I prefered steam Fuck you Epic, basically.
i just don't get why they refuse to start a new games division. They obviously don't care about ROI, considering they're in VR hardware.
If licensing the music is the issue why not just get new songs?
It's not like Naganuma is doing anything right now
This is unironically a good point.
If the 30% split is so bad then why hasn't a single journalist approached Valve for an interview as to why they keep that 30% cut in the first place?
>freedom and power PC can offer within a reasonable budget
This so much, despite the current mid range card market being absolute shit, you can easily play all games you want at 1080p/60fps with a $120 RX 570. The rest of the build doesn't even need to be expensive either, thanks to AMD, anyone can get a good CPU for cheap (like the 2600X) without paying Intel tax for pozzed I5's.
It was never this easy and cheap to be a PC player, I'm glad more and more people are realizing this.
Not owned by the Chinese
True, but the way I see it, making new tech toys is one thing and owning undersea cables crossing all major oceans is another. Former's a feat the OUYA pulled off, the latter requires a bit more work.
Basically I'm just shocked at the scale of shit they're making, don't mind me.
>If the 30% split is so bad then why hasn't a single journalist approached Valve for an interview as to why they keep that 30% cut in the first place?
Because Gaben knows they're just going to spin that interview to smear them.
Sega needs to start releasing their shit on GOG.
they didn't ask valve, they just asked the developers/publishers, you know, people actually affected by the cut
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>epichillgamer
Yikes
SEGA Games cannot and will not force Atlus to do shit. Both are owned by larger company known as SEGA Sammy. They explicitly announced that they won't fuck with Atlus after purchasing it and it's pretty much an independet company (aside from formalities and stuff like Toshihiro Nagoshi being on Atlus Board of Directors)
>you know, people actually affected by the cut
Valve is too though. It directly affects the long-running maintenance of all their services.
I don't get why journos just didn't go to Valve and ask just how much does it actually cost to run Steam.
They used to had Steam-free releases on GamersGate and DotEmu. They delisted them all. It's clear they're going Steam-only.
Because then the whole narrative of "OMG STEAM IS EVIL" plummets.
lmao who fucking does unbiased journalism in this day and age?
based japs
>indies
These fuckers whine too much and are not to be trusted. They expect to find instant success without putting in the effort. I'd love to see these fuckers squirm at the thought of hosting their own servers to distribute their games and processing sales (and refunds) for the themselves.
did you read it, one-third of the thing's praising valve
absolute madman
Japs don't see PC as platform. They see Steam as platform.
Knowing Atlus they'll go for Epic Store on their own without Sega for shits and giggles.
Based, but Steamcucks don't deserves it too. Yakuza's sales are abysmal and let's not even mention Valkyria.
>salty epicshill is salty
Make your store atleast half-decent and maybe companies will come to you
Sega mainly does staggered ports so it wouldn't work anyway. Any PC fag concerned about playing their shit ASAP would just play it on console.
Developers are the ones being hurt the most by the hauntings. Developers that have posted games on the Epic Games Store have suffered from sudden power outages, unrecoverable data losses, and exploding computer monitors.
Don't support the EGS.
They own assloads of Naganuma shit, just replace it all with that and add in a track editor in depth enough to replace the original.
wtf i love epic now?
Speaking of Atlus, this was mentioned on their fiscal report:
>In the field of packaged games, sales expectations are growing in the gaming market, mainly in Europe and the United States, as the current generation of game consoles become more widespread in the video game hardware market. Additionally, game distribution in the PC games market continues to expand, with platforms like Steam.
They catered to Japanese customers.
Pretty based of Sega. You'll know what would be even more based? Reviving other franchises that isn't Sonic, Yakuza and Valkyria Chronicles and Puyo Puyo. like NiGHTS, Vectorman, Astal, Crazy Taxi, Burning Rangers, etc.
also rerelease JSRF without the xbox exclusivity bs
You know, a lot of this could've been avoided if they'd just had a working store from the start
If they're this willing to drop millions on snatching up exclusives and making people hate them then I have no clue as to why they wouldn't just spend a fraction of that amount to make their store not a fucking mess, it's really not that hard
Does JSFR have licensed music?
Oh shut the fuck up I don't give a fuck about Epic's shit, I boycott every single PC platforms.
Steamcock sucker.
Sega is based for this, but I'm still waiting to see some small no-name indie company turn down Epic. That's who you know really fucking cares and puts real SOUL into what they're doing.
Ye, with songs like Aisle 10 and Birthday Cake. That's why we need a PC version to mod those shit in
Better question is why would anyone listen to games journalists?
Just get an original xbox.
Stick to consoles m8, go buy that $800 PS5 and enjoy the tariffs.
NEVER
EVER
The SEGA that's talking here isn't the SEGA you're thinking of, it's SEGA of Europe who've in recent years been (rightfully given the platform history of the region) tasked with the PC-related parts of SEGA's extended reach strategy.
Companies aren't your friend, fanboy.
>no name indie declining a literal million dollar deal
Can you fucking imagine?
Sega is Ace Team's publisher after they purchase Atlus, I wonder how they are doing.
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Really glad to hear that, not surprising considering Three Kingdoms is probably the best selling game on Steam this year.
ew
there's probably people who've done it already after seeing how Metro became a disaster, we just haven't heard of them
SolSeraph looks uninspired compared to their other games.
They need to make another Zeno Clash or at least another game in that same vein.
Between the extremely unique setting, the interesting mechanics, and the great gameplay you're not going to find many games like ZC 1/2.
>But it's not just about that. It's about how you work to send your content to the consumers and deliver an ongoing experience and deliver a relationship.
The only way this could get better is if Epic comes out and says they don't want SEGA on their platform. I want hubris, and I want it now.
Wow, I guess Bloodstained's levels stop looking so bad later in the game.
>made stupid shit like Shenmue
COMPANY BAD
>the general public believes pirating is immoral
Whoever fucked your head did a damn good job.
He means the white general public.
They still get pretty salty about piracy because they're cucked drones.
>Japanese wont play ball with Chinese
Man who could see this one coming they normally get wlont do great.
you mean GOG?
I dont even care about regular journalism anymore
>Literal fucking hylic screaming CONSUME PRODUCT calling anyone else an NPC
You just can't make this shit up.
Wasn't Catherine heavily reliant on Steam API? Fuck in fact aren't all their ports reliant on it?
The only people who don't give a shit are eastern Europeans, South Americans, Russians, and the Chinese because the vast majority of them only know PC gaming and piracy instead of legitimate ways to get their games or ways to get them for reasonable prices. For crying out loud, Dendi was a thing in Russia to play NES games because Nintendo didn't bother going there and China only knows piracy which is why their game market is completely fucked and filled with F2P cash grabs. North America and generally Europe don't favor piracy too highly.
You have to understand he still thinks he is doing the gaming world a massive favour and he doesn’t understand the backlash, of course he doesnt realize that gamers don’t give a fuck what kind of cut the publishers get from the stores
>buy assassins creed trilogy
>you can't earn enough points to buy all the in game cosmetics and challange maps
Just because they mean jack shit doesn't make them worthwhile
>The only people who don't give a shit are eastern Europeans, South Americans, Russians, and the Chinese
And any and all blacks and most of SEA and most of the ME.
In other words, most of the general public.
>In other words, most of the general public.
Not in the console space. US and Europe are the vast majority of those sales.
Sonic Mania seems to rely on Steam for controller support.
Holy shit, they're making an unofficial Actraiser 3?
>you mean GOG?
They're selling CyberPunk 2077 there.
Yes
In other words, only the white general public, since they're extremely cucked.
>convenience stores
This, nips usually dont use credits cards beside that fucking Suica/Pasmo shit, so the whole game money is in convenience stores and nips goes there at least one or twice times a day. Gasha empire was built thanks co convenience stores.
Anyone with eyes can see they'd be dealing with the devil had they taken the bribe. Good on them.
salty, salty
Ahahahahahahaha
Cyberpunk is an AAA title and CDPR stopped being an Indie developer a long time ago.
Based. Finally Sega using their brains. I think I'll definitely go pick up virtua racing and a genesis mini now
That seems obvious but it's like no one told SEGA that people can just mod the songs back in while they look the other way.
>PLEASE STOP SAYING GOOD THINGS ABOUT A COMPANY WHEN THEY MAKE SOMETHING GOOD COMPANY BAD
beep boop
Epic is a literally retarded company that captured lightning in a bottle a single time. They are not going to be able to a second time.
>tfw grew up on sega instead of nintendo
Is this why im not a tranny faggot?
only if you got to play lion king on the genesis
>mfw I had both
yes but it made you a furfag (or at least a batfag)
The first stage in that was top comfy.
This desu
No surprise, Total War 3K is the first PC exclusive to hit the NPD since forever ago, it must be doing amazing
>Yakuza's sales are abysmal
It sold enough to have the entire series confirmed to eventually being ported to PC, what are you talking about?
I hate epic for trying to bribe games into being exclusives to them. Like, fuck off. You are and always will be inferior to steam no matter how many jewish tactics you employ
They should bring their games to GoG so I could actually support Yakuza games on PC instead of pirating them.
yeah i did, that was also the first movie i saw at the cinema
I remember hearing a lot of good things about this, for a mobile game.
Kinda wanna play it now that someone's bringing it back
>Just because they mean jack shit doesn't make them worthwhile
More worthwhile than a regular achievement that doesnt net you any gain whatsoever other than maybe bragging rights to the 2 other faggots that care. Id rather get something out of my achievements, even if its just cosmetics and junk.
Sega is based
Obviously they made this change not because everybody has already negotiated bigger cut (in person) but because of Valve's goodwill.
That sucks. EGS may not be perfect, but it sure as hell beats Steam.
why is he using that old ass fuck profile pic?
Thread's almost dead, epicshill. And you still done have a shoopping cart
how does it beat steam?
????
This is what people failed to understand. Epic had to release a store in a state of Early Access (very original concept by the way) because they're trying to cement their place into the PC market while Fortnite is still popular, but they did so at the expense of quality: probably hastily coded so they don't have an efficient way of adding new games to their store, missing features (given their roadmap, the store will have fared an entire year without a shopping cart), shady security, and nothing unique going for itself (except building a reputation as "these guys who spend millions to have exclusive rights on the distribution method on PC)
It's clear their intention was not to make a functional store from the start but rather rush the release and increase their income ASAP
Nah, don't be naive. He doesn't actually believe the PR bullshit he spouts off. That's all obviously just an attempt to present himself as some sort of altruist hero of gaming rather than just being the case of Epic wanting a bigger slice of the pie for themselves.
>but it sure as hell beats Steam.
I hate Steam “requires launcher to play” shit, but at least when my computer is broken, I have the games saved via clouds,
Tim on suicide watch
My little sister set up a webstore for her one person clothing store in a single evening. She's a liberal arts major. I refuse to believe an entire team of developers can't do what a single gender studies / tailoring student can.
Epic has Randy Pitchford who, embezzled millions from SEGA and got them in deep shit for fucking up ACM.
Steam has SEGA, who paid out of thier own pocket to settle down the plantiffs.
Yeah, I'm staying with the Good Guys
I hope Epic stops buying exclusives (because exclusivity is bad and there are no exceptions) but I also hope they at least manage to stay in business mostly because I have an account with 18 games (all of which were free but I still don't want to lose them).
How?
>I hate Steam “requires launcher to play” shit
EGS games don't require the launcher to play?
I could play P5 on PC right now if I wanted to though
Everyone has neglected to mention a big factor is Japs hate the Chinese.
Yeah, Randy's great and BADASS. Buy Borderlands today!
You still need uplay for anno 1800 even if you bought it on ebin games store.
Pretty sure most of them just skip EGS and buy it on uplay directly.
Nope, only to install
You can copy the DRM'd files and keep them in a CD/DVD/BD/HDD/SDD/tape et al. Someone will crack them at some point.
Even better, the goddamn Unreal Marketplace has a shopping cart.
jesus christ i am so sick of hearing people say epic offers some kind of challenge to steam "by offering a better revenue shares to developers".
Like yeah, they do, at the cost of
- account security
- platform features (no checkout cart or any conveniences steam's had for years)
- literally anything beneficial to the customer
- developer integrity (epic pays them so much in advance that it doesn't matter if they sell a single copy)
>store-wide subsidized discount during a recent sale
THAT DEVS FUCKING BAILED ON LMAO WHERE'S THAT IN YOUR ARTICLE? how about mentioning devs like Gearbox who had just put games on the store pulling them due to "a glitch" for the exact duration of the big sale
>how about mentioning devs like Gearbox who had just put games on the store pulling them due to "a glitch" for the exact duration of the big sale
That was Ubisoft.
I confirm. One of the loli vtubers asked for Steam games recommendations.
if an article doesn't have a comment section i don't trust it
No, Gearbox was shilling EGS through Randy on Twitter, then when the sale happened and Borderlands 3 was for sale, it mysteriously disappeared, at the same time Ubi's games "glitched out"
GB just didn't even bother saying it was a glitch they just pulled it without saying anything until the sale was over.
I think I'm getting conflicting information here.
Can I install the Epic Games client, download some of the 18 games they gave me for free, uninstall the Epic Games client, and then play the games? Or does it require more work than that?
Samurai Shodown devs were approached by Epic and told them to take a hike
Based
No. It used to work during the very first free game they gave out which was Subnautica but I think it was fixed.
Maybe. Epic can deny the game. Like they have for a lot of Indies :)
Sweeney says that they don't enforce DRM. So, it's matter of trial and error. Even if they have DRM, making a backup of the files still is useful because that way you can crack them later shall they shut down the store.
>it's real
Top kek I though that was fake, the fuck is wrong with him? His sale had people take their games out or rise their game's base price for crying out loud.
Japs are based yet again.
STEAM GOOD
EPIC BAD
Nah, they hate DRM-free and emulation with a passion.
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you don't deserve my (You) you faggot
The highest higher-ups of SEGA-Sammy would have to force it.
When is Atlus releasing the Demon Souls remaster though?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that revenue split Epic offers only benefit publishers or something?
Wasn't most of JSRF songs just new Naganuma tunes and remixes of JSR tunes?
It's more complex than that.
Some games are self-published.
Some others are published but they have to give royalties to the developers (this is the case if the publishers doesn't owns the studio nor the IP).
Some are published and funded by the publisher and, as such, all the profit goes to the publisher.
I'd imagine the actual devs are either paid wages or salary so yeah probably
Depends on their contract I guess
>Yakuza's sales are abysmal
SEGA said the sales of Yakuza & Catherine were more than good and because of it they're considering porting more games to PC.
It's just virtue signalling. It's good they are not going to be releasing exclusives on Epic, but going flamboyant about it like that is just too obvious. Easy to earn points with fans though.
SNK is actually pretty strong on GOG, and is Falcom.
it still baffles me that everyone fell for this obvious lie. first off, the only way for devs to get the 88% is to publish the game themselves on the EGS, because let's be real, if you develop a game and a big publisher helps you promote it and release it, you're not gonna be the one who will see the 88% first, it's always going to be the bigger party involved. second, they are forgetting the current system is a capitalist one and therefore the "trickledown" economy is a myth. "bigger revenue share = more money for the devs" may sound like the best case scenario to them, so they want the reality to be this way so bad they convinced only themselves that's how things work
True but at the same time the steam input api helped their ports a ton.
it came first and worked for them so japanese loyalty took over.
It's a case by case thing. Publishers forced exclusivity on Obsidian and Remedy against their will, but there are a few instances where it was entirely the developer's idea to go exclusive, like Observation (Devolver) and the new Dontnod game (Bandai).
Honestly, I don't know why people even want Epic Games to break Steam's monopoly.
I don't want to have a similar experience with video steaming where there is Amazon Prime, Netflix etc. etc.
So the revenue split thing isn't entirely false, but it certainly isn't what Epic is trying to say that it is.
So you want there to only be Netflix?
Banco published DS1 on GFWL beforehand.
But it died and left Steam as the only big distributor
>Steam's monopoly.
never heard of gog, microsoft store, origin, etc, etc?
I can understand that, having to pay for multiple streaming services for a few exclusive shows/movies kind of blows
you got it, people are saying "devs" and not "publushers" because they're considered to be the little man in this market, the "poor worker who does all the job and the whole industry is built on their back". It's always a matter of wording and manipulating people's perception of reality when you're trying to make a point
am I the only one who got captcha errors while trying to post?
So did Capcom. You forgot the Japan-only Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
Does Steam really have a monopoly when there are other stores that offer the same games? It's fucking retarded that people label steam as one but somehow Disney, Comcast, etc aren't in the US. What kind of fucked up shit is this?
Yeah, GOG.com and Humble Store has a bunch of games from them that aren't on Steam, actually.
Sure, it might be annoying, but I don't want all the power of the "guy who came first". Subscription streaming programs are not the same as downloading a client and buying a single game, though. Regardless, there is always piracy.
>Honestly, I don't know why people even want Epic Games to break Steam's monopoly.
Steam doesn't have a monopoly. There are already other places to buy PC games.
As for why people want more competition, it's because competition is good for consumers because it gives consumers more choices. If Steam actually had a monopoly on PC games, it would be bad for consumers, because consumers would have fewer choices. This isn't a difficult concept.
The problem with Epic shills is that they claim they want competition but then, in the same breath, they pray for Steam to go out of business, which would mean less competition for Epic. So they're even more retarded than you are.
The wrong company lost the 90s console war, lads...
Netflix was actually better when it was the only streaming platform, back when they didn't double down on their own productions and instead used that money to buy licenses for shows that people actually wanted to watch.
Why anyone is suprised, big publishers have their own cut on steam which prolly isn't lower than 12% but still. That's too much of a risk
To be fair, their goal is not steam death. Their goal is % of the market
And the fact that there's no fucking competition when exclusivity is involved
You wouldn't call the current shitshow of Streaming services a competitive market, would you?
Yes, some of them should work. I don't know which are drm free so you need to check it out yourself
I still don't completely forgive SEGA for the Sonic Mania PC release bullshit, but not going Epic exclusive is nice.
Games compete against each other, just like mars compete with kinder bueno or whatever. Competition have many forms, price is one of them but not the only one.
competition in the entertainment market is clearly not the same as competition in the food market, user
Sensible krauts. I only use a debit card myself.
Imagine when they go to old games too.
>Some Jap into SF plays Freespace 1 and 2.
>His mind explodes.
Bullshit. Their goal IS steam death.
All the exclusives they got were originally meant for steam. And I mean ALL of them
They basically checked steam for most highly anticipated bullshit, then contacted the devs with a sack of money to drop steam. Exodus is an egs exclusive, yet it is available on gamepass for cheaper than egs
How about just adding 4k support for the UI?
What a bunch of lazy faggots. I can't see shit on the UI because of how fucking tiny it appears in 1080. It's been fucking years and even $3 games have implemented it.
>buying Anno on EGS instead of just going to ubis own store and getting 20% off with cheevobux
user what is wrong with you
Not him, but that's because pretty much every PC game comes to Steam and those who don't go first party.
On Epic you won't get them either, so you just could buy them straight from Uplay.
You can fucking buy one good to go for 50 quid.
>They own their company
>They don't use publishers
>They have their own store
>Not indie.
Just because they're big doesn't make them not indie.
I'm just hoping Epic doesn't eventually force Unreal Engine games to become exclusives.
everyone would just switch to different engines
At best, they can enforce a presence there, but enforcing exclusivity would be suicide.
Kek this legitimately made me happy.
I have grown to truly hate this faggot.
EA is objectively not as awful as this guy.
They didn't really have a choice, since every studio decided to make their own streaming platform
They flat out give you the option to create Steam-keys of your game for free and sell them for a 100% dev-share somewhere else.
Honestly, with how retarded Tim has acted, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to leverage Unreal to boost the EGS in some way.But I think it'd be suicide for the engine.
I'd be fine with this though, because Unreal is a pile of shit anyway, a real blight on gaming in general with all games that use it having memory leak issues, having day 1 cheats (aimbots, wall hacks, etc) and a host of other issues.
Japs really hate chinks.
It also helps that Japan is considered a "high risk" territory for the EGS. So they have to pay 15% more like the third world countries.
Yeah, they are targeting steam. Who else could they target when pretty much everything is on steam and steam alone? That doesn't mean their goal is death of steam, sure they want it. But they are not stupid enough to belive they could do it
I just want a return to the old Phantasy Star and Shining games please.
>japs being bought by chink money
doesn't work that way bucko
looking back, Phoenix point being a crowd funded game which was consequently turned into an EGS exclusive, and Shenmue 3 being a Japanese game AND crowdfunded, I'm glad Bloodstained didn't follow the same fate as these
He already did offer better deal on egs for unreal engine games. If you publish on egs you don't pay for using unreal. This is actually nice
SNk was bought by a billionaire that is a massive SNK fan.
he bought them just to have a new KOF, Samsho and Metal Slug
You don't know that tons of anime are co-produced with Bilibili, right?
>If he allows you to publish on EGS.*
FTFY
EGS has been rejecting all manner of shitty indie devs who thought they could cash in on the 15% cut of the EGS.
It's funny as fuck too, because these are the kind of faggots who were shilling for EGS and have been whining about Steam being the "reason" their game failed.
*12%
>Pretty based that they prefer integrity over a quick payday.
No, it's still about a payday, it's just that epic exclusivity is a bad idea if you don't want to alienate your customer base.
And nothing of value was lost
You. I like you.
They are shills, plain and fucking simple- there is no gain for both the developers and the consumers. At all.
"Monopoly ".That's how I know you are misinformed, like Epic wants. They have lied every single week of the past months to spin as much as they can to their favor.
You really think devs get that much revenue? Publishers exist. Depending on contracts they get most if not all profits. Devs are just paid a sallary. In the case of independent studios, most of them already had some name for themselves, thanks to the exposure gained by Steam before. In the case of crowfunded it's even worse because they decided to make a interest free loan and still didnt fullfill the users who gave them money. See Phoenix Point and Shenmue 3's PC audience, who were asked if they wanted Steam or PS4 copies as a reward like a WEEK before E3.
There is also the Steam API people mention, the servers, controller support, there is a massive infrascture that they can fiddle with at their hearts content to give shit to the fans. Something as basic as workshop support adds a lot for them. The forums are a quick way to easily have support and feedback in the same platform too. It's all in one, and while some features like broadcasting are better else on another app, it's still there.
Then there's the long term, good luck getting trust of your actual fans if you pissed them off.
Now, consumers not only have to resign and use a vastly inferior store from a company who explicitly told them to go fuck themselves like years ago, even shit like BUYING the fucking game (because they ban you if you buy like five) is a hassle. You might be shocked but carts aside, people out there don't trust credit cards at all. Some countries have different ways to pay online and Valve worked to get as many possible, as with fair and suggested regional pricing options to encourage people to buy games. EGS is a fucking piece of shit, and it should not be considered real competition.
Source? Not doubting you, I just want to feast on the tears.
>was a nintentoddler back in the day
>open my eyes as an adult and see sega was the best all along and nintendo is dogshit
i was so wrong
This is the most famous case, since it had a decent Metacritic score.
gamerevolution.com
They are probably thinking in the long run. Epic can only afford to take only 12% of the pay cut because of Fortnite money. I'd probably wager they are running the store at a negative. If Epic beats and shutdown Steam, they have no reason to keep the cut at 12%, they can go even higher than Steam's current 30% cut.
If Epic beats Steam, and eventually gets the minimal features necessary for a store, then it will take someone with Fortnite levels of money to compete with Epic, doing shaddy shit like buying exclusives.
Normally I'd say monopoly is bad, but Steam is good enough. And most importantly, Steam isn't greedy. They allow even some porn games in their store. They are the best kind of store you could have, a hand-offs one, where the consumer chooses what he wants to see on his side.
Epic
>Our revenue share split is 12/88%. (Not all regions apply. Certain regions pay higher to make up the cost of operating so low). That makes us the hero.
Steam
>We built an entire network infrastructure so that everyone can have a stable connection without having to deal with VPNs, worry about security, network outages, and now provide free network multiplayer API for developers to use. We meet our customers where they are so that they don't step out of their comfort zone to pay for their games. We eat all of the R&D cost and don't pass it on to our partners or customers.
Where are the dozens of articles explaining why Steam ask for 30%
Sega is nothing short of wonderful, when they do something right they absolutely nail it, yet they still have shown to be incredibly incompetent outta nowhere for fucking decades. Glad this time they did something right.
Aside of the link that user gave, this apparently happened a bunch but NDA's get in the way our us knowing openly. Unless you have a big name, nice pedigree, a fancy AAA or just a game passionate people want fucking Phoenix, you are a nobody to them.
>Where are the dozens of articles explaining why Steam ask for 30%
Journalism, especially in videogames, has been nothing but biased bought out shit for a while.
The famous case where the devs got a standard rejection email stating that no submissions from anyone were being accepted at that time, and they were encouraged to submit again once they began accepting more games?
okay sega, but when is generations 2 coming?
the idea of Epic raising their cut once they have a stronger market share is stupid, but the idea that Steam will shutdown because of Epic is even dumber
>>We built an entire network infrastructure so that everyone can have a stable connection without having to deal with VPNs, worry about security, network outages, and now provide free network multiplayer API for developers to use
Most games don't even use that, even a lot of multi games don't use steam api. This isn't really the best thing you could pick
what's the difference between a used copy and piracy?
I'm still waiting for a DRM-free (as in, downloadable from browser) re-release of Sega Mega Drive and Genesis Classics. Common Sega!
And yet the dev states that the EGS curation system is restrictive and implies that they are quite happy with Steam.
Nice try though Tim. I can't blame you for trying to keep the resetera trannys on your side in the hope that they'll keep believing their RPG Maker asset flip will get published on the EGS.
The only reason they can even afford that low of a pay cut is because of Fortnite money, and you can be damn sure that if they ever have a monopoly on the PC market, they will rise the pay cut. Now I don't think that's going to happen, Epic is most likely to burn the Fortnite money away before they get anywhere, but that's their plan.
>Where are the dozens of articles explaining why Steam ask for 30%
It pisses me off to no end whenever people bring up the 30% cut argument and pretend that Steam/Valve does nothing to earn that cut or that it's completely unjustified. For that cut Devs get
>Full controller support
>Linux support
>A functioning modding workshop
>Forums
and probably a few other things I'm forgetting. Once the Fortnite money runs dry in 1-2 years they will increase their cut and they'll try and spin it into a positive, mark my words.
>companies never operate in the red to gain market share, and then later raise prices once established.
Tell me you aren't this fucking stupid.
It's only been live for three months or so, so low adoption rates aren't a surprise here. And even if it never gets popular, it's still a pretty big and expensive thing that Valve made available free of charge. I'd say that's a much better example than everything Sweeney's offering.
its a tad bit different than selling exclusive rights to a Chinese store friend
I don't think that's going to happen
Gaben simply has a lot of appeal in Japan since he looks like Colonel Sanders
>What do the Japanese think of the Chinese
The rape of Nanking never happened, but I wish it did, and I'm going to ensure it happens again.
I know, but I lose nothing by complaining. I still have some ROMs from DotEmu.
A company can not be your friend yet not be bad.
My only problem with valve is that they don't advertise nearly enough that devs can go drm-free on steam. Like there are indie games that barely even use any of the shit steam offers but still don't go drm-free. Come on.
Why would they? And you still need the fucking launcher to download the game anyways.
>I WILL SPEAK LOUDER
May this fat man never die in your lifetime
I think indies would do it if their players cared, which some might but most probably don't know or give a shit
Though it's not like Valve is going to advertise to people that their DRM features make the product worse
The empire is no more brother
we gotta do it ourselves
Most devs on Steam don't use the Steam network to deliver their games, the only way to deliver their games?
The multiplayer API is just a bonus feature as a result of their investment towards their network infrastructure. Please learn to read entire statements
instead of picking at things.
Steam's curator system is amazing. If it actually worked the way it's supposed to work both players AND devs can benefit from a community-wide self-regulating discoverability network.
Too bad we're all retards who keep letting the le epic meme curators stay on top. Like genuinely. Valve can literally fix the biggest problem steam has by just polishing that curator shit up.
It's also wrong, the revenue share is for the publishers. Developers don't see shit unless they self-published or have a specified contract with the publisher giving them stipends on game sales.
Hard to tell, the way Tim has singled Steam out for doing something literally every digital marketplace does.
>the idea of Epic raising their cut once they have a stronger market share is stupid
Tim implied it himself. The 12/88 split is not sustainable. It is not going to last forever.
Because they're the most relevant, I guess? Anyways, since GOG.com doesn't has a leverage power, they had to actually reduce their cuts, resulting in the death of the Fair Price Package.
This.
I'm actually surprised no devs are speaking up about it ever since steam opened the floodgates to trash.
gog is 70/30 as well.
Not anymore.
>by offering a better revenue shares to publishers
fixed
it's more like whoever is intended originally to profit from the game selling well, is offered 10x the expected profits by Epic, including free zombie preorders in the hundreds of thousands that could be reported legally as 'sales'.
At best, Epic is breaking even with 12/88. Factor in bonuses for exclusivity, and the Epic store is not making any money at all. It's not about if they're change price cuts, but when.
according to one of their PR ladies, they're not breaking even by a longshot. Their current model is so bad for them that they will have to stop buying exclusives before too long because it's causing them to gush money and they'll never get out of the red at this rate.
In the end, Sega will die alongside Valve. Based Sweeney will even spit upon Sega's face when they crawl back and grovel in desperation. Should have taken Sweeney's offer when you still had the chance, bitch.
Post source.
They do have their billions from Fortnite to lie on.
I think it might be viable to maintain the cut for all games indefinitely, but games added after date xxxx (in the next year probably) will have the adjusted price cut
We don't know if Epic actually tried to make a deal with them.
Because his hairline went to absolute shit.
My fault it was a man.
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>"...I'm pretty sensitive to how I answer this question, but the answer is yes, at some point we could go to zero, or we could go to very, very few major exclusives in any given year. We will definitely not be doing it on the scale we're doing it on now for an extended period of time."
They are though. All the rpg maker asset flips that fail are followed by some nobody with a furry avatar whining about how evil steam is and that steam is why their game failed. These are also the people bitching about Steam's refund system and customer review system.
Successful devs that make good games don't bitch about it because the system does exactly what it's supposed to do: it let's the market decide on what games will succeed and which will fail.
"Opening the flood gates to trash" is the only downside to ensuring that ALL indie devs have a chance, if that means the store has a bunch of trash, so be it.
It's not like you can't use the fucking search function to find the game(s) you're looking for.
It's not like you can't go on the web to search for games you might like.
It's not like you can't just TRY A NEW GAME AND GET A REFUND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
This retarded "curation" talking point needs to die (especially because I only ever heard faggoty games journalists and plebbit NPCs whining about it). Games like Halcyon 6 and Streets of Rogue probably never would've even been able to get published if it wasn't for Valve's laissez-faire approach to their storefront.
Valve has done more to empower the consumer and the indie developer than any point in gaming history, and yet here you are, whining because "muh shovelware is annoying waaah!"
>Epic is going after Jap games now.
FUCK FUCK FUCK! I DON'T CARE IF YOU MONEY INJECT INTO KICKSTARTER GAMES, BUT DON'T TOUCH THE JAP GAMES!
What the fuck? Then why would anyone want a store this flimsy to succeed?
Because they're employed by it.
The funny thing is, in that same article, they point out that 70/30 is way, way more money for developers than they can make in retail or on consoles so it's fucking hugely beneficial for them as it is.
Tim just wants more. The motherfucker has $8b and his greed has not been sated even a bit.
>Steam's monopoly
Literally doesn't even exist, because if it did then there'd be literally no other options available when in reality we have a shitload of alternatives before Epic even decided to make their own launcher/storefront.
Japs hate chinks even more than Yea Forums does
I wouldn't worry too much. If there's anyone the elevens hate more than gaijin, it's the chinese.
Based Sega dabbing on Sweeney
>Where are the dozens of articles explaining why Steam ask for 30%
They don't exist because Epic pays out the ass to keep the journos pumping fluff pieces for themselves, and why would they when we know game journalism is barely even journalism at all? It's all just advertisement.
>Most games don't even use that
If the game is being sold on Steam, it's using that infrastructure.
>Journalism, especially in videogames, has been nothing but biased bought out shit for a while.
I can't even remember the last time I bought a game based off a journalist review instead of word of mouth/player reviews.
And Epic doesn't even allow player review does it?
What kind of fucking monopoly has a system in place where they allow other stores to connect to their system api and validate purchases or generate keys to sale at their price choosing is what I want to know. Gotta be one dumb as fuck monopoly holder.
To be fair, Sega is notoriously retarded. It would fit their MO to make something as great as Mania and then forget it ever existed. See: Skies of Arcadia, All Stars Racing Transformed and Chao gardens.
based
I'd like to praise them but Sega's massive incompetency over how they handle their franchises sours it a bit. Not even talking about their inactive ones, the actually 'alive' ones like Sonic and Yakuza suck ass and should just get killed off already.
I want an indie-like division of Sega making a a shinning game with old school pixelated game but with modern game modes and possibilities and lots of characters and races to recruit
Funny how journos have been silent about Valve's monopoly and 30% cut for the past ten years and only now became a big deal.
>TW games won't be epic exclusive
based SEGA
>"Opening the flood gates to trash" is the only downside to ensuring that ALL indie devs have a chance, if that means the store has a bunch of trash, so be it.
>This retarded "curation" talking point needs to die (especially because I only ever heard faggoty games journalists and plebbit NPCs whining about it).
I agree, while I dislike the blatant asset flip games I understand it's a small price to pay for an open platform with tons of games to choose from, I don't want companies regulating what I can or can't play, sadly Steam had it's censorship but right now it's the least worse place to buy your games (aside the DRM free GOG)
No surprise he and Randy get along so well.
What's even funnier is that for those past 10 years they were screeching about how difficult it was to publish a game on steam. What's even funnier than that is that after steam started letting anyone publish, they began screeching about how difficult it was to get a game noticed on steam.
thats cool but where the fuck is the unleashed port
Isn't raising the price of your product during a "sale" illegal in most countries?
yes
Demon's Souls is Sony's IP, not Atlus. They only released it in the west since Sony didn't give a shit at the time.
who are you quoting?
>even if the system gets berated by people here.
Which is dumb. I'd rather prefer consumers be able to figure out for themselves what they want. Which is why I'm glad steam user reviews are a thing.
Not in the land of the free.
Nope, because of the "dreaded review bombs" that make journalists, publishers, and devs shit themselves.
Probably, but there are definitely ways around it
Digital goods are also managed differently from physical goods in almost every legal system, which is why refunds are much looser online than in retail
>Nope, because of the "dreaded review bombs" that make journalists, publishers, and devs shit themselves.
Yeah, there is no way I'm purchasing a game unless I get some idea of how people perceived it.
I don't get this joke.
It's almost as if these things has some sort of connection
:o
So what exactly happened with Epic's sale again?
Something about Steam's recurring annual sale events not having any advertising / information beforehand, while Epic informs everyone what's going on so you can prepare (like they did with the surprise summer sale that wasn't supposed to happen).
They accept multiple currencies.
>removes Denuvo from games
>shits on chink store
Sega is doing things right.
*blocks shenmue's path*
>scam
>EGS exclusive
Pottery.
Shenmue is just shitty Yakuza now.
Somthing Something Square 19XX
I'm still trying to figure out what he means.
Can we at least get another reboot or a sequel
That's rich when some publishers literally had to jump ship for the duration of the sale because Epic couldn't prepare properly.
>With Epic coming to the table, we're really excited by that too, and we're really excited to see what that would bring to the market, what opportunities are to extend the reach via that content.
user that's clearly not a rejection. If anything it sounds like they want to support both.
>If anything it sounds like they want to support both.
Epic doesn't do "both" you're exclusive to them or you're dead.
But that's completely wrong you idiot.
and China has a partnership Africa with the intent of being the African colonizer of the 21st century, the rest of the world is more racist than you know
Further proving that Epicucks are casual retards that don't know how to look into things for themselves. We knew when the sale was starting a month ago.
Quick rundown? pls
>A single time
SEGA is unironically the best 3rd party developer AND publisher this generation. It's no surprise they remain based.
They gave few dollars off for anything and for anyone, including games in preorders, which made some big name games in preorder really really cheap in certain regions, which made publishers to remove Epic Store page for said games to avoid that.
atlus needs to die
said the nintencück
I mean, they kind of had to. Can't force Brazilians to buy new consoles so just support the one they have.
Also because you can only buy one game at the time, some people that bought multiple games got their debit card locked, due to too many transactions and such.
Please.
Christ almighty.
A Persona 4-5 port would literally sell millions within days you braindead chimpanzee. Fuck off.
SammySega (sega is dead and you shouldn't call them by their name) is extremely short sighted, japan centric, and is fundamentally a cobbled together coalition of dead companies built to liquidate and then monetize what's left of them to the highest degree possible.
Don't look to them as a leader in anything besides cost slashing, no matter how much you may hate valve or epic. See them for what they are.
Shenmue 3's gonna flop hard. There's a reason SEGA never gave a dime to make a third one.
I pre ordered it on Steam.
You also need to remember that until around Dark Souls on PC happened and Japs started gaming on PC more, owning your own personal PC that wasn't for general home use outed you as a pervert playing nothing but eroge because of Japs designating PC as the porn game platform almost 3 decades ago. You're looking at such a huge jump because a sudden shock hit that PC wasn't just for porn games.
>Steam summer sales
>Needing advertising
Is Tim actually retarded?
>So what exactly happened with Epic's sale again?
Long story short, it didn't go so well.
>sega
>getting only 70%
yeah nah cunt, they get like 80