ITT: Games that ruined your favourite franchises

Is this the thread where we post good games for (you)s?

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Mists of Pandaria a 10/10 and everything after that is below 5

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not my favorite just wanted responses

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Really? Wasn’t Windwaker and it’s sheer tedium? It wasn’t the 2 awful DS games? It wasn’t skyward sword?

The first one wasn't that great either.

BotW was okay. Not great, but not even close to "ruining the franchise".
Either way, the RE4 comment was the more egregious of the two, so don't take it so seriously.

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Skyward Sword was so bad, man.

Granted I originally stopped giving a shit about KH after 2 but with this I swear I'm never buying another KH game ever again.

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Horrible, just horrible. Kill yourself.

It was so fucking bad

kys

>SNOY is not present at E3
>nintendo practically owned the show
>BOTW sequel announced
>BOTW shitposting skyrockets

I wonder if these events are somehow related. It couldnt be sour SNOY fanboys, could it?

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>Wasn’t Windwaker and it’s sheer tedium?
In my opinion it was. The game set back the progress made by OoT/ ALTTP, and LA in that Zelda is a series for everyone. Then comes in WW and now the series is suddenly kiddy shit. Also the dungeons, main quest and pacing were awful.

That BOTW trailer could almost be classified as bullshot with how it presented that there would be a big epic story. I can almost say i like the trailer more than the actual game but the game's okay 6/10
youtube.com/watch?v=zw47_q9wbBE

If a single game is all it takes for you to stop enjoying something you like you're probably a pompous and insufferable little shit.

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I actually enjoyed Pokemon XY just fine but it was the beginning of the end for the games

>when the developer of Duke Nuken: Forever and Bass Pro Shops: The Strike acquire the rights to your first and favorite video game franchise

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This, but unironically.
My favorite series got this abortion of a spin-off, but I still loved the franchise and held out until we got a real sequel after over a decade, and a damn good one at that.

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yeah but it had kokoltos

dilate

when Gamefreak officially stopped giving a shit

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I will never understand why anyone wants to play some retarded disney shit. I can't grasp it. Its so fucking retarded

the gameplay in 1 and 2 was fun. That's why

hating Skyward Sword is so fucking pleb

KH2 was pretty fucking good.
It's the only good playing game and by good, I mean great. It's a solid action game by all means.

The gameplay is really fun and the music is great. You so insecure you cant deal with Disney, gayboy?

What did you like about Skyward Sword

I don't like the characters and it looks like a regular cash grab for people who like the disney shit. Its like if mcdonalds made a game and mixed it up with final fantasy then people defend it.

If the gameplay is good who fucking cares how they market it

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as everyone said, the gameplay in 1 and 2 was fun and it has amazing music. On top of that the story is enjoyable to make fun off with the cutscenes in 2 being hilarious at some points like mickey mouse turning up in a dark cloak.

Ironic since most trannies love zelda

Cope more

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Nostalgia

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I guess it could be campy. I actually own the ps2 version since I was given it, I just can't get over the characters. Seems like sneak king to me, I dunno.

It wasn't that bad, I'd rather replay it over ME1

>ITT: Prove that you have bad taste
Fixed the title for you.

First legit answer in this thread

>Silent Hill 2
>good
3/10, made me reply.

This.

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I'm not baiting so don't even try to claim it
I liked the cryptic simple style of 1 and 2, and I greatly enjoyed 2's gameplay.

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The series peak?

this game was fucking garbo and the series was never good again

fuck nintendo, and fuck shiggy

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you just posted the best game in the franchise, you dolt

> Highest Rated Games of All Time
> Bad
Cope more faggots

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ehh I know the community has a hate boner for PGI but the game is still the only relevant mech sim and it's still fun. MW5 Mercs should be fucking dope tho.

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If a single game is popular enough, then it decides the direction of all future games.

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Muh huge empty Ubisoft world.

argumentum ad populum

Yeah I can see why someone wouldn't like it. There isn't much to do other than upgrade your weapons and explore dungeons.

> Seething so bad that he thinks being contrarian means he’s smart
LOL

the Zelda series was never ruined, even if the games were formulaic until BOTW there is not a single game that caused a downward trend. Skyward Sword is the closest thing but A Link Between Worlds came out after and that game was great.

>he thinks that other people agreeing with him means he's right

ah yes Link, the best character of all time. Who voted on this list?

I can't wait for millennial game journos to be replaced by zoomers who didn't play OOT on an N64 as a kid and realize it's not the second coming of Christ

Dawn of war and C&C
what the fuck happened

this list is fucking shit

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>oot
>best soundtrack
>best storyline
>link best character
Literally what the fuck is this phenomenon where people praise OoT for literally everything, even to the point of making shit up?

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Not an argument, you NPC’s literally like all of those games but desperately cry that they are shit simply to make yourselfs feel unique & smart.

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How did it ruin anything then. The dungeons in BOTW are fine. Zelda never had good level design it was always babby-tier shit.

unprecedented thiccness of content in a 3D zelda
the story was better than that of most zelda games
pretty nice dungeons
controls were nice and intuitive

it took significant adjustment to enjoy botw, a game that eliminated a lot of the reasons I've been playing zelda for the past two decades
I can forgive botw for a lot of things but botw2 *needs* to bring real ass dungeons back

every fucking year i never see the thread for voting for this list. How the fuck does this keep happening?

Absolutely seething, it’s ironic since Yea Forums also has OOT ranked #1

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It was up for well over 15 hours, you are just a newfag redditor

The fact that waifubot game is so high tells you everything about the (shit)taste of neo-Yea Forums

I could feel the series dying as I played this crap

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>Game designed for kids changes art style and is now suddenly for kids

>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT ABOUT ZELDA!!1!!1!
Holy cope!

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>phoneposter who relies on the opinion of others instead of thinking for himself calling anyone an NPC
Clown World

Well, I didn't vote for it.

Cheap money grab of a game

Thanks to this every other Zelda game is destined to be Hello Kitty garbage with copypasted designs and zero content.

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It was for everyone and then WW came and made it gay. WW threads are proof of it.

why is the 2019 list so different from the 2018 list, OOT went from 13-1 and Dark souls went from 1-12

> He says when Yea Forums routinely & historically has always liked mainstream games like Pokemon, Zelda, Mario, MGS, FF, GTA, Metroid, Smash & Castlevania

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>It wasn’t the 2 awful DS games?
Spirit Tracks was awesome, super comfy and limited the open world again

A bunch of nigger incles voting

>no sources besides an unknown number of lists from unknown websites of unknown reliability
How does anyone take this picture seriously?

Just because it was less shit than gen 4 doesn't mean it was the peak, user. BW was barely passable compared to all non-DS gens.

who ever said the majority of Yea Forums had good taste?

Every time I see this I think of that one kid in this poster.

ST was ebin
youtube.com/watch?v=ECAmkgMay_8

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>BW was barely passable compared to all non-DS gens.
You're right, it surpassed them. First time in the series that it didn't feel rushed or held back by shitty designs in the system like Gen 2 or 3 where you needed a fucking gamecube to get the Johtomons.

Shame the gameplay was dogshit, since the music was so nice. That train was legitimately the worst feature ever implemented in a Zelda game, except for the pan pipes in the very same game.

>Yea Forums hates game journalists
>then goes on to cite metacritic whenever someone criticises their favourite game

>GSC at the top
No one should ever hold Yea Forums as a standard for anything.

the train was perfect for a handheld game

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>you're right, it was worse than them by being better than them!
By having the worst new Pokemon, the laziest third editions, the worst new music, and a plot that manages to be the most invasive and overwrought while being worse than the minimalistic stories that came before? Truly the reading comprehension of zoomers is a sight to behold.

But then I'm being too hard on you, you never actually played anything before the DS games so you don't know any better.

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We're talking about games that ruined franchises, not saved them

Osaka team turned KH into kusoge, with 3 cementing the fact it will never return to having a combat system on par or above NG:B, and I use NG:B because 2FM towers above DMC and other paltry Action Games. Fuck Nomura, fuck Osaka Team, and fuck the kikes at SE for letting KH turn into kusoge.

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Perfectly awful, yes. I didn't think they could make an overworld worse than Wind Waker's but they proved me wrong.

OP did not ask for bad games he asked for games that ruined a franchise. Resident Evil 4 isn't bad, in fact it's one of the better third person shooters ever made. It's popularity and success however meant that we were never getting another classic Resident Evil style game and we still haven't.

How pathetic do you have to be to be a zeldafag? I enjoy the games greatly, but zeldafags don't even enjoy the games, all they can think about is how every game except the one they like is terrible.

>we live in a world where DmC is better than DMC5
It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

MGSV. I don't know why I expected it to be good, the previous three games kojimbo said would connect BB to MG1, but all he did was shit out a half baked, dead empty open world garbage pile. Ground zeroes was such a bait and switch.

I guess Persona 4 more but this was when that autism really seeped into mainline.

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It's bad so for many reasons it's actually absurd how can one game do so much wrong. But to me the worst part is the plot that completely transformed the story by introducing Demise and making Ganon not a singular ambitious Gerudo but a sock puppet for some evil god.

whatt makes it better?

What about the best RPG/soundtrack/storyline/character lists?

>the worst new music
>literally shits on Hoenn and Johto
youtube.com/watch?v=jkER6U-tX5g

> Seething this bad when Yea Forums literally named Zelda the best gaming franchise two days ago
LOL, you contrarians are pathetic

>insecure
interesting choise of insult. I would have gone with autism myself

the first one has direction while the second has tons and tons of fluff

Try telling the SMTIV:A fans that it's more like persona than SMT and watch the sparks fly.

Why should I give a fuck about what the collective opinion of a bunch of 14 year olds is?

>you never actually played anything before the DS games so you don't know any better.
I have the entirety of Gen 3 plus Crystal on the 3DS along with HG and Platinum. And yeah BW plus BW2 are much better than them except Platinum.

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obsessssssed

Unironically the only good 3d Zelda game ruined the franchise? lmao!

This game was based

>saved the franchise

ftfy

Pokemon has been dead since Ruby/Sapphire

This game was amazing in every way until they started time traveling and the entire plot went to hell, not to mention they copied the plot of the film Looper for the finale.

Been dead since 2

Was never a good game in the first place.

Nothing in Demise's backstory changes the motives of Ganondorf in any of the other games. Demise simply creates the curse saying that Ganondorf will appear as Link and Zelda's reincarnations/descendants do, thus explaining why multiple antagonists named Ganondorf appear. This does explain the cyclical struggle over the Triforce but changes nothing about Ganondorf's personal motivations in each game. There's no altering of the previous lore in either instance, only an expansion and clarification thereof. This is incidentally also how basically all other Zelda games before Skyward Sword have worked as well.

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>Pokemon has been dead since Ruby/Sapphire
Gen 4 and 5 shit on Hoenn.

>4 and the reboot were fine
>5 ruined the series

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>Worst new pokemon
subjective, dilate
>Laziest 3rd editions
It was a brand new game that is better than B/W
>Worst new music
subjective, cope
>and a plot that manages to be the most invasive and overwrought while being worse than the minimalistic stories that came before?
the plot is nowhere near as invasive as the games that came after, and saying its worse is false. Seethe harder
>But then I'm being too hard on you, you never actually played anything before the DS games so you don't know any better.
Stop projecting, I'm not even the user you responded too and I have played all of them and 5th gen is the series peak, closely followed by HG/SS

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Or the first Bioshock if you're a System Shock fan.
Pic related is for me and bonus video.
youtube.com/watch?v=jPqwDGXxLhU

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persona 5 was far less cringe than smtiva.

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>Demise simply creates the curse saying that Ganondorf will appear as Link and Zelda's reincarnations/descendants do, thus explaining why multiple antagonists named Ganondorf appear.
We never needed that, now it'll always be Link and Zelda's reincarnations against Ganondorf over and over. SS is a shit game.

Yea Forums was right, this is the worst board on Yea Forums.

Unironically.

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He was more badass when he was a Gerudo that had the balls to steal the tri-force from the Gods without some ancient curse basically guaranteeing it will happen.

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MGS is a trilogy and ended a trilogy, you can't change my mind

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Ahh, yes, the game where Hideo decided that what people wanted to see every time they booted up a game was a yellow desert. And he liked that so much he decided to make MGSV the same fucking thing. What a retarded hack.

This isn't "games that saved their franchise", user.

Yeah it's a trilogy all right MG1, MG2, MGS everything after that is just filler and MGS4 is your invitation to Snakes funeral.

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cringe
based

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mgs3 faggotry led to the travesty that is mgs4.

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GBC MGS is amazing though.

>now it'll always be Link and Zelda's reincarnations against Ganondorf
Entirety eradicated in the Adult timeline and most of the downfall timeline villains aren't Ganon either, plus MM in the child timeline. What are you smoking?
>SS is a shit game
No need to sperg out because you didn't understand it, cringecel.

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How so?

but this is the best game in the series

No it wasn't. Nice try

I loved the original, is this that bad? I never touched it. I heard they added combat?

wind waker is open world lol

wind waker is open poop

Because Hackjima saw Solid as a puppet with no emotions while getting hard for Naked having a Oedipus complex.

uhh we already got RE7 bud not to mention a great remake.

>unprecedented thiccness of content in a 3D zelda
Completely wrong
>the story was better than that of most zelda games
The story ruined every single Zelda with the stupid curse shit
>pretty nice dungeons
All the dungeons but the ones involving Time Stones are dogshit
>controls were nice and intuitive
There's a reason the game starts you off with 6 hearts instead of 3. Even the devs know the controls were shit. SS is pure dogshit

Monster Hunter World
The way the older games played was fantastic to me now it's got no real meat to it. It's incredibly successful and will likely never go back to the older style of gameplay. Unless they make a game as a throwback or rerelease some of the JP only titles it's pretty much over for me

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Retard

>I heard they added combat?
no they dumbed down combat then forced it everywhere

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>I can forgive botw for a lot of things but botw2 *needs* to bring real ass dungeons back
I can almost guarantee you that the BotW2 will have a item rental store like ALBW only with a strict max rented item limit that's increased with korok seeds. You can screencap this.

7 and REmake 2 are great and more in line with the original spirit of the series from the first 3 games but neither one completely returned to the old gameplay formula. I understand most people did not like tank controls, auto aiming or fixed camera angles but to some people those are defining features of the early Resident Evil games.

Fuck osaka team.

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Wrong game

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>neither one completely returned to the old gameplay formula
So? It isn't 1996 anymore lol

Do people just want the same Zelda game over and over again. BOTW had its faults, sure, but Nintendo had to mix it up.

I just want a zelda game like the first one but with triple a graphics.

me2
tor

Unironically true.
Almost every problem with BotW has its roots in WW.

>Do people just want the same Zelda game over and over again
Yes, people want the same formula but with new items and creative dungeons to use them in. Anyone that tells you that he want's more story never really like Zelda. Problem is that Nintendo has run out of dungeon ideas a decade ago.

Same, even though I enjoyed BOTW. I'm hoping the sequel will be what we want.

Bait or shit taste

>illiterate
I said that I liked the franchise, I just don't understand how you can sit there and hate every single product of a series you ""enjoy"" except for one

You just keep moving the goal posts. Why does people liking the old style of RE gameplay upset you so much that you want to keep arguing about it. Yes user, I literally just implied it is considered dated by people and not popular as a result thus why we don't get games like that any more especially after the success of 4. What point are you trying to make?

>comparing anti-runner cop AI to basic bitch cop AI
user your point is sound but the example is awful.

I feel like if they made yet another traditional Zelda game, the reaction would have been fairly negative, honestly. I like the old formula as well as what BOTW did, but I just don't think it would have been as successful if they just made the same game they've been making.

Do you not actually care about gameplay or setting?

Because we got something even better and yet you're still complaining

>Anyone that tells you that he want's more story never really like Zelda.
LA's crazy ass story along with the dungeons immortalized the game for me. Story is never bad in amounts, overdo it like SS and it ruins the game.

there were plenty of other ways they could have "mixed it up" without turning zelda into generic open-world shit.
how about experimenting with the setting? like, a modern urban fantasy zelda with persona/twewy-inspired aesthetics would be interesting as a change of pace.
why couldn't they try a party system game with link, zelda and ganondorf? lttp was originally supposed to have a party system very early on in development, so it wouldn't be unheard of.
throwing out all the dungeons and actual content for the sake of "change" was just stupid. it didn't make zelda feel fresh, it made zelda feel like every other aaa adventure game on the market today.

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It unironically ruined the franchise. But it's not because it was bad it was the exact opposite. It's because it was so good that Konsmi executives took notice whereas before they didnt give a shit about them and let them do whatever they wanted. Silent Hill 3 was going to be more like Silent Hill 2 with no cult and mostly psychological issues but executives meddles and it all went downhill from there. Konami are fucking hacks and assholes who are totally out of touch.

It died in the best way possible
The only problem I had with it was the triforce fetch quest. I was doubtful about the artstyle as well but it was implemented nicely.
I think 4 was where the series started to decline. Special edition helped its appeal but it was not as fresh as #3.

>the AI is supposed to be shit!
Here's your elite AI bro
youtube.com/watch?v=ZHl6ens2BZI

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No we got something YOU like better. It's called an opinion user. Are you so dense you think you are going to convince my opinion on what games I like is wrong with an argument as weak as "it's not x year anymore bro"? I have trouble believing someone is that stupid.

BotW formula isn't anything new it's Zelda with tacked on SotC free climbing with a annoyingly small stamina pool. It's more basic than even OoT. There is literally no reason to not include dungeon items when even the for example shrines have puzzles requiring specific powers can be bypassed by the use of fire and bomb arrows. If they had any creativity they could design dungeons that can be done with climbing or by the use of hookshot to speed thing for example.

We got something better because it is able to utilize better hardware instead of having to rely on shorthand tricks like prerendered backgrounds.

>Nintendo had to mix it up
This logic is so bizarre to me.
Destroying a franchise's identity to make it like modern open world games leads to MORE homogeneity overall, not less. If everyone "innovates" in the same direction, it's not actually innovation.

>seconds

Super metroid isn't even in thetop 35 of the 2018 list, but a year later it's number 7? That's retarded for a 25 year old games.

So, rehashes are fine now?

Better than any Zelda that came before it.
Sequel soon.

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If they are like A Link between world then, yeah rehash me all night nintendo

BotW did ruin Zelda for me because I can't go back to the mediocre 3D games again with the toddler-tier puzzles and extreme handholding.

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BotW and WW have almost nothing in common save for a focus on overworld exploration, you dumb bitch.

based and redpilled

every sequel is a cashgrab. it's only not a cashgrab if they wrote the story ahead of time, which they did for kh so it's not a cashgrab.

Says the faggot that liked IV:A.

seething SMT fag

>Error. Duplicate file exists here.
It really was the point of no return

>32 number 90's
>6 number 11's

Waifucucks are less than ants.

>ALBW
>braindead game you can't die on with 5 minute "dungeons" and a full army of equipment available from start to finish

No, ALBW is the definition of how NOT to do open world Zelda.

>toddler-tier puzzles and extreme handholding.
But that's basically all of BotW you learn the solution to EVERY puzzle int the game on the plateau everything after that is just busy work and repeating the same solutions.

>plays the better series
>"seething"
????

>5 minute "dungeons"
You just described every BotW dungeon.

Touched a nerve, toddler?

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>play with invincibility on
>spam a mechanic that stuns targets
>dude wtf this ai is so bad XD
work on thos examples if you want to be taken seriously user.

He's a waifufag, what did you expect?

That has literally nothing to do with any of the things I mentioned which were fixed camera angles, auto aim and tank controls. That aside you are still just stating your opinion with nothing backing it up. It's weird you think that would convince anyone especially when like I said, every post it's a new issue.

No, Mipha is the worst girl in the game and WW is indeed poop.

IV was pretty bad, but V completely ruined it by adding microtransactions.

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A franchise sticking to its core identity is fine, yes.
You're missing the forest for the trees. There are a metric shitton of open world games coming out. There are very few if any games that were copying Zelda. So Zelda even at its most derivative was still "unique" in context of the industry as a whole. In my opinion the whole value of franchises is to have a coherent identity. If all a franchise is is just some motifs and names, it's worthless.

That's not to say there weren't plenty of issues with previous games, but those issues were specific to those games and could have been fixed if Nintendo was willing.

Yeah because the first one was any fucking good to begin with

lol stop lying to yourself, BotW puzzles are far, far more compelling than toddler shit like "HIT DA EYE WITH AN ARROW" and "PUSH DA BLOCK TO HIT THE SWITCH" toddler garbage from the previous 3D games

>enter room
>camera pan to the switch
>companion spoonfeeding you the answer if your dumb ass didn't already figure it out

>IV was pretty bad
Only if you're a bitch, it was an excellent criminal simulator.

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For the record I mean there are very few games that have been copying Zelda lately. There are some so-called "Zelda clones" but even then they pretty much always miss the mark in some way.

It ruined other Open World games for you too huh? I'm the same, I can't play any other Open World game without wishing I was playing BotW instead.

>Zelda finally returns to its open-world roots and has the first non-shit game in the series since the N64
>Aonuma fanboys complain about it

GOOD. You faggots are responsible for Nintendo getting away with making shitty Zelda games for a decade and a half. The ORIGINAL Zelda fans finally have their series back. Go away and stay away.

you werent supposed to point that out bro

please keep moving your goalposts

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The only Resident Evil worth playing.

I'm really glad it sold as well as it did and was universally well received. It's a tremendous game with even more potential for the sequel.

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THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE

Nothin personnel kid

What made early 00’s games so edgy?

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>Yes, people want the same formula but with new items and creative dungeons to use them in.
Ah yes, that worked out SO well.

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>>Aonuma fanboys complain about it
Aonuma is the reason why the series is in a shit state. Zelda would have been in better hands with Koizumi.

BotW is almost nothing like LoZ, enough with this meme.
If a condensed/focused world like LoZ and a gigantic/bloated world like BotW are both "open world", that only shows that open world is not a very useful term.

Undone by gimmick controls and retarded plot i.e nintendo trying to be creative.

yep, basically turned the series into assassin's creed with guns

The problems with SS had nothing to do with the dungeons or items. People who blame the "formula" for the franchise's problems are retards incapable of nuance.

extreme cope
remove the motion controls and it's still shit
just like TP
just like WW

*skyrim with guns

it's a kid's game

Saying TP is bad is like saying OoT is bad. They are the same game minus the screaming fairy.

Deadspace 3 and ME Andromeda.

Skyward Sword being a giant turd is the reason why we got BotW.
And yes, people got sick of the Zelda formula and every game just being a fucking OoT rehash.

SS main criticism was the terrible "overworld" that was nothing but a linear obstacle course with null exploration.

By the way, Zelda has never been about the dungeons. It has always been about exploration and the overworld.
The dungeons in the first game are literally nothing but "kill all enemies in the room" rinse and repeat for the entire game.

>Kids can't count to 4

>extreme cope
No that's literally the reason why the game sucks. It was a motion control game released in 20 fucking 11 long after everyone got over motion controls. The dungeons and bosses were kinds creative tho.

lmao

not an excuse

HEY LISTEN

>tank controls

What even is this argument? Movement in all of the old resident evil games has been clunky and garbage.

aonuma ruined zelda with his tribute to ubishit. the original zelda fans HATE the zoomered-up garbage that is botw.

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skyward sword shook the design philosophy up considerably

THIS! IT FUCKING RUINED GINSHIN IMPACT!!!

>ubisoft shitter
cope

>exploiting a narrow environment to your advantage
>hitting enemies with attacks specifically designed to stun for follow up attacks
>area also features a ledge, which the game encourages you to kick enemies over to quickly end a fight
you're not very good at this user.

Cry more op, while we learned to enjoy the game you will sit there bitter not allowing you to experience the fun that is new Zelda games

kek

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It didn't "ruin" the franchise per se, but it sure as fuck ruined the fanbase. It also pushed for an all-new direction that prioritized customization, QoL and streamlining over dialogue and atmosphere, and several special NPCs like Blathers, Resetti and Sable suffered as a result. But at least New Horizons seems to be going back to how things used to be with Nook being the main man and the player (seemingly) being an ordinary person again.

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The best way to play this series is starting with 3 and 1, and then playing 2. I can't believe how much features and QOL improvements they removed in 3 that were in 2.

>Map is shit and NPC are all boring
>Competitive multiplayer is gone and coop feel pointless and unchallenging
>You can't donwgrade your weapons, you can't repeat missions, you can't customize as much as in 2 and you can't customize your enviroments, you can't grab objects from the enviroment
>Shit post game
>Less activities and cheats

Saints Row 3 is solid, but is truly one of the worst sequels ever made

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That is a very cute fish!

Quick question about BOTW. It just came in the mail and about to play it. I have the expansion pass with it

Should I start Master Mode as my first playthrough? Heard that the base game is way too easy

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Go ahead, just don't complain about getting OHKO

This but Rising is nice

Mipha is the best girl, Paya followed by Zelda is the worst girl

>Riju is the best girl, Paya followed by Zelda is the worst girl
FTFY

Master Mode is a chore because of weapon durability. The only things it changes is adds new weapon spawning platforms that look out of place in the game and swaps monsters with higher HP version of them oh and also sprinkles more Lynel enemies around. It's basically a HP up type of difficulty mode.

anything content wise or is it really just a shitty difficulty bloat?

nah it sucks, just play it on the normal mode. oh, unless you care about epeen points and what others think of you then yea just do master mode

If you want to know what game REALLY ruined some aspects of AC though, it's definitely City Folk. It was the first game to have lame, dumbed-down dialogue, strip features from previous games when there was no reason to, and worst of all (in my opinion), it lazily reused Wild World's terrain generator which lead to it being standardized in NL and NH. City Folk is the reason we can't have things like pic related anymore.

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The base game is only easy later when you get so many powerful items enemies don't stand a chance. Master mode is just a pain in the ass because of all the extra health enemies get, paired with weapon durability. Don't play it

Nah, Riju is in second place after Mipha

Not him but it's bloat.

>BotW2 will have a item rental store like ALBW
then I'll follow etika to the other side

fug, thanks m8

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Nah Riju is better because she doesn't revolve her whole life around Link like a basic bitch and actually has shit to do.

not an argument, zoomer.

the fact that VIIR is being inspired by this unfinished piece of shit worries me

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It's bloat the only thing it adds is a new gold variant of normal enemies but it's just a recolor with a ridiculous HP bar besides that there's nothing new.

Based and absolutely true. BotW is easily the best Zelda and I've been a series veteran since NES.

It's only going to get worse when people are unconditionally praising crap like breath of the wasteland, I'm getting out of the zelda cult.

Nah, combat has both real-time and turn-based. Makes it automatically better than XV

>implying that’s what Mipha exclusively did
Collecting dolls isn’t any better

Monster Hunter World
:^)_____
unironically though

Wrong game(s)

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I love 2D Zelda and hate 3D Zelda. BotW is the only 3D Zelda game I've ever enjoyed.

>Collecting dolls isn’t any better
She's a little girl, it's gucci.

>Skyward Sword being a giant turd is the reason why we got BotW.
I mean, it's certainly a very flawed game, but it reviewed very well. Only a few points off of BotW in fact. You're acting like it was an Other M tier disaster but it wasn't, that's the Yea Forums circlejerk talking.

>people got sick of the Zelda formula and every game just being a fucking OoT rehash
Again, the problem is not the formula. It's everything outside of it. The handholding, the excessive gimmicks, etc. That's not the same as having dungeons and key items, things that existed long before the Aonuma era. And it was LttP that really solidified the formula, not OoT.

>SS main criticism was the terrible "overworld" that was nothing but a linear obstacle course with null exploration
You know that and you still think the formula is the problem? u wot?

>Zelda has never been about the dungeons
You could not be more wrong, The first four games are all about finding and conquering dungeons. It's only with OoT and especially MM and WW that the side content was given major priority.

>The dungeons in the first game are literally nothing but "kill all enemies in the room" rinse and repeat for the entire game.
Reductivism aside, they're the core of the game. They're the height of the game's challenge and completing them is your one goal. Same with AoL. While combat is the clear focus, the dungeon layouts were also important. There were secrets, riddles.
Incidentally, they're the polar opposite of BotW's divine beasts which have almost no combat and are essentially puzzle boxes.

This

>geting all the tools you need after the tutorial = toddler tier puzzles and extreme haldholding
So according to you every game where you don't unlock new abilities during your playthrought is toddler tier? Are you fucking retarded?

BOTW is still baby tier shit that's even more dumbed down and is utterly quantity of quality. Nobody would defend the game to death if it were any other IP.

You mean Persona 4, Persona 5 was fine

lol seething

What you have to understand with BotW fanboys is that they don't play many other games so they don't have a point of comparison.
If they played a real puzzle game their mind would explode.

>that's the Yea Forums circlejerk talking.
It's everywhere, dude. Reviewers don't mean shit. That was just the Zelda honeymoon effect.
People even praise the gamespot review for tearing the game's ass like it should have instead of sucking its dick.

Everyone always puts SS at the bottom of their lists, not just here, but everywhere in the internet. It was a commercial and critical flop. (Only 3 million sold worldwide, pathetic numbers for Zelda)

Having a favorite video game anything

Cringe

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Fucking this, thank you user

>resorting to strawman to make up for lack of points in his emotionally charged argument

keep on seething lol

true, anything is better than this

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Np, weapon durability is a major con to this game. Master mode with durability isn't even fun, it's cheesing and having to disarm enemies to kill them with their own weapons. Overall BOTW is a 7/10, but the biggest negative about it aside from lack of dungeons is weapon durability.

That he's smarter than you since he actually knows Zelda doesn't have good level design

>implying that regular zelda has any "real puzzles"
lol ok buddy
not even pro-botw, by the way

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Don't summon him you retard

Resident Evil 4, 5 and 6 were symptoms of an illness going on at capcom where they tried to westernize everything but it wasn't just RE that got hit it was everything capcom owned. If you blame 4 for 5 and 6 then you're ignoring what happened to DMC and MvC and Street fighter and Dead Rising and Megaman. You're pretending it was a resident evil problem when it was a capcom problem.

who cares what a shitposter that has been caught ban evading thinks?

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Stay mad.
Always was shit.
>Mists of Pandaria
>10/10
>ignoring dungeon finder, dead world pvp, flying mounts
Not great but it saved the series.
Trash game but it didn't ruin Pokemon.
Stay mad.
It's overrated with poor context, music, sprites, and a small world; but, it is still a great game.
>What is 2
It's hard to ruin a series that was already, sadly, dead.
>What is 3
1 and 2 were better and 3 did generalize the series but it's still alright.
CoD always sucked. Black Ops 2 was the best after 4 though.

Well yeah it's one of the best games but capcom sure did fuck up after trying to redo the same experience.

Christ, is there anything that you don't like?

>>What is 2
the best game in the series, what about it?

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Final Fantasy VIII
>muh realism

no, the second one is everything good about the first done better.

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came here to post this

Every Doom game from now on will be a slow execution-filled locked-room shooter that appeals to people whose first exposure to the series was memes and brutal doom.

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>copy the arena gameplay from Painkiller
>but without the hordes of enemies
Consoles are a mistake.

only autistics think this

I'll humor your retardation for a bit.
What, pray tell, do non-"autistics" think?

old doom isn't even 3D lol

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What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

There is nothing to ruin when the game was and still is shit anyway.
And Dark Sector has almost nothing to do with Trashframe.

Baldur's Gate 3

lol

>t.Beamdog

>t. Larianigger

>Larianigger
Shit i was wrong, it was a nuObsidianfag.
Yikes

>implying Larian has ever made a fun game

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this, Saints Row 3, and Mass Effect 3 all coming out within a few months of each other really marked the worst period of video games IMO. That whole late 7th gen era was peak anti-risk taking/sacrifice quality for mass appeal bullshit. It's still pretty common but game engine tech has gotten to the point that a team of 5 people can put together some solid AA quality stuff and has even shown AAA companies that it's ok to not be so formulaic.

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Move aside fags, It's not only gonna kill one of Nintendo's most recognizable franchises by presenting it as something literally no one asked for, it's gonna do so by crawling in the crib of a newborn series and eating it alive before it ever walked on it's own two feet.

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This. Due to releasing in a better spot in the GC's lifespan it's treat in reverence. Despite the fact the only good parts about it were all things its predecessor did better.

But all it does is tell a generic ass story about an ancient evil, more run of the mill in terms of JRPGs than the Bowser vs Mario plot of the first game. It barely expands the gameplay, every addition breaks the game and many of the non-Mario characters are garish and ugly or look like pre-cursors to the even worse Super Paper Mario.

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This. If you liked the old Zelda games it just means you are a baby bitch.

Aren't there only microtransactions in the online play? The single player was great and the engine was incredible. In a 'life simulator' you want to to feel as real as possible. Look I hate 'movie graphics' as much as the next Yea Forums pleb but in this game it needed to be as lifelike as possible and it delievers

>game that defines the paper mario series ruined the paper mario series

Oh, yikes!

>the engine was incredible.
user....
youtube.com/watch?v=GWVtZJo-HqI

Based

I don't know if I'd say that, but it's definitely worse than Yea Forums makes it out to be. I replayed it recently and realized that I hate most of the chapters
>pikmin chapter
>shitzville
>backtrack woods
>backtrack island
>excess express (more like excessively boring)

Its fun

FM 14 i think. Took away options of sliders completely in tactics and started to introduce the Iphone game aestethic for faggots who can handle sitting down playing a pc game. But on the other hand it has been a boring slog of a mess since the split from Eidos days but damn it got really stale and hipsterish since fm 14

Except for gameplay.
If I wanted to play a shooting gallery, I'd play duck hunt.

>BotW is almost nothing like LoZ, enough with this meme.

Anyone who isn't an utter retard can see how BotW took inspiration from LoZ. Quit being a sperg.

Why does /u/ even have a game list? Is there even any yuri in any of those games?

ocarina of time is the top answer
so that should answer your question

how the frig is Link best character of all time?? I mean I like the Zelda series but to have a mute character be best character of all time ....

objectively wrong. the last good game in the paper mario series. but not quintessentially a paper mario game

No it's not. Weapon durability is fine.

t. 100% master mode

Yet still better than any other Zelda

get these fucking zoomers off this board

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>Zelda never had good level design it was always babby-tier shit.

Wtf? the level design is whats good about these games, and even the puzzle design is fine...occasionally. BotW took the level design out and instead gives you with 2 minute unfulfilling "puzzles". its how its laid out thats bad.

>what is TP
retard

everyone in this thread is dumb.

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>everyone in this board is dumb
ftfy

>>what is TP
TP was an actual finished game, WW wasn’t.

The early 2010s saw the absolute bastardization of many franchises to chase after that CoD money
>Ghost Recon Future Soldier
>Splinter Cell Conviction
>Dead Space 3
>Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City
>Dead Rising 3
>Postal 3

FFX and onward I hear XIV is okay but I don't like MMOs
Fire Emblem Awakening
Pokemon Sun and Moon
Probably some more that I'm not thinking of.

DUUUUUUM HAHAHA
RIP AND TEAR BRO
>dabs

*IV

for me it's sun and moon

Based shitposters. Remember to report, hide and sage, newfags.

>unprecedented thiccness of content in a 3D zelda
No post-game, shit side missions, recycled boss fights
>the story was better than that of most zelda games
It was alright
>pretty nice dungeons
Better than BOTW but the backtracking ruined them
>controls were nice and intuitive
The flying segments and harp playing were awful, I'd say it's the worst Zelda gimmick if not for everything in Spirit Tracks