Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have written a letter in opposition to the upcoming tariffs on consoles

or how about "get ready for xbox's made in usa" baby

>maybe they should be getting manufactured in Japan or the US then

Enjoy your $900 consoles.

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Last time I mentioned the t-word I got banned for three days. Mods are chicom shills.

just switch to a lame cheap work labor country like Mexico

>corporations begging to make enslavement of Chinese children profitable again
If I didn't hate the Chinese government more than their unwashed populace, I would probably side with the big three on this one.

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>or how about "get ready for xbox's made in usa" baby

Then it would be $999

Good, fuck consoles.

it’s about time someone did something about the gooks

sauce?

>consoleniggers were with her
LMAO

Weren't there going to be tariffs on Mexico eventually too?

Yes

Trump's trade war on China is the most defining thing in this century.

The N64 and PlayStation were made in Japan.

no, they would be 399$ but the executives at microsoft wouldn't get 20 million bonuses for genius ideas like "Make a halo sequel"

I hate consoleniggers so no.
Funfact: A significant proportion of PC parts are manufactured in the US, especially (Intel) CPUs, HDDs, SSDs, PSUs, and even some RAM (PNY for example).
Also XFX GPUs.

>No don't try to stop China from taking all your manufacting jobs because they have cheap slave labor!!!!
>Think of the minor inconveiences you would have to face!!!!!
I fucking hate this faggot ass argument holy shit.

Do you actually think those companies can easily hike up their prices on consumers? They'll just put pressure on their own governments to play ball with the U.S.

Why are the consoles made in China instead of the US?

>they would be 399$ but the executives at microsoft wouldn't get 20 million bonuses

It's labor, bitch.

No one in the US will work as cheaply as the average chink.

but only stupid uneducated red necks work in manufacturing user. get an English degree and get a REAL job

y'all realize China makes the hardware in your PC too right? this ain't just a console thing

>Do you actually think those companies can easily hike up their prices on consumers?

They always do that, so yes?

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>liberals screech non-stop about brown children

>until Trump proposes to stop funding the country that uses brown children to make iphones

Really makes you think

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No they don't.
Most PC hardware is manufactured in Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and the US.
Only the cheap garbage OEM shit made by brands like Foxconn is made in China, and only consoleniggers buy prebuilts.

don't blame me i voted for hillary

>No don't try to stop China from taking all your manufacting jobs because they have cheap slave labor

Rising the prices of imports through tariffs doesn't solve that in any shape or form.

It's a temper tantrum that does nothing but raise prices.

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COPE HARDER

Just convert to PC or suck it up & pay up $900 console

Because marketing a 700 dollar console is much more difficult.

>he doesn’t know how demand curves work

waaaaaaaaah we cant use cheap gook slave labor

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
>China - 86 (26 are domestic and most of the others are small non-essential manufacturing)
>Japan - 101
>Taiwan - 88
>USA - 96
Sorry user, but no, only consoleshit has the majority of its manufacturing done in China.

>he doesn’t know companies don't give a fuck and raise prices anyway

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>consolefags

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>NOOO THINK OF THE SLAVE LABOR CHILDREN

This individual endores the barbaric and inhumane treatment of labor workers under the communist regime of China, all so he can play with cheap toys.
You are a vile person.

>He thinks that matters when monopolies exist.

You can't figure out how this would effect you?

because it costs way less to have chinese peasants manufacture shit than entitled americans. console companies are going to sell their console' at $300 or $400 or whatever they want, but the wage they have to pay to make the consoles themselves drastically effects their profit.

599 literally cost Sony a generation.

>tariffs on console imports to the country that's ruining vidya
good

Enjoy your expensive consoles then.

Kiddo video game prices have fluctuated and went up a couple gens ago.

>old rivals join forces to take down the big bad

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In theory it's supposed to convince manufacturers to abandon china and return to the US because it's cheaper. In reality businesses are stubborn, china will still be cheaper and any tariff costs will just be handed off to the customer. That's the problem with fighting globalisation, the plebs have already been hurt by it and the methods to fight it just hurt them some more.

>English degree
>Real job
choose one

>Being a consolenigger
Oof

And they did it anyway (and will do it again with the PS5 if the early reports are correct).

yall should have thought of this before you rigged the system against bernie. i voted trump solely to spite the democratics for fucking over bernie

can't they just ship it to japan and then ship it to america?

And they were taking the biggest loss at this price anyway. The ps3 was expensive because of how expensive it was to make.

Oh man, if only there was a market full of hardware manufacturers where you can play vidya where most of the production is done outside of China.
If only!
Oh wait, it exists, it's called a PC.

Laughable. We're never bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. Tariffs don't last forever and Trump is a dumbfuck for trying to enforce competition when it's never going to come back.

FOR THE EMPEROR

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You have to give it to Donnie, he knows what he's doing.

so instead of passing on the cost to consumers who are most likely going to just buy the product at the higher price because of high demand, microsoft and sony are going to set up multiple multi billion dollar factories with no guarantee that the tariff will last more than than when trump gets a heart attack?
you sure are a fucking idiot.

>companies can literally charge whatever they want for ultimately useless shit that no one needs
>that’s why new consoles don’t cost $1000+ and new vidya doesn't cost $100+ today

wrong

It would be very simple to round up every CEO in the US and put them against a firing wall desu

kill yourself first commie.
your insane rambling is worse than any wall street ceo

Oh nooooooo now they can’t release a brand new console every 2 years. Man that suuuuuucks. The only shit worth playing anything is $20 indie games on steam

This. The hallmark of a Trumpet-retard is actually believing that these tarrifs are enough to inconvience corporations to the point where they'd start moving their manufactoring jobs back to the states en masse.

The tarrifs would need to be in like the 100-200% range to do that, not the measily 10-20% range we've been seeing.

That's not how capitalism works user

Neck yourself, bootlicker.

Funny how these big liberal corporations love taxes, except when the taxes are on them

They know they can't sell PS5/Xbone 2 for more than $500, so they will have to eat the cost, suck shit

look at the typical liberal coastal mindset

>sure things are terrible and we're being exploited by the rich, but thats just how its gotta be, why bother trying to do anything?

I guarantee you live in some liberal shit hole that smells like pee with a high murder rate and with niggers mugging you every time you leave your ghetto

That's his point retard. There wont be excess profits to set aside as bonuses for retarded ideas.

We need to manufacture our own stuff, you dumb cunt. Are you so retarded that you think having most of our stuff made in foreign countries is a good idea?

>damn entitled americans

why doesn't Nintendo & Sony make them in Japan?

>1%pilled

good
this fucks over normalfags and then we could sell our consoles for more than we put in.
Also less normalfags in gaming is good.
This will help pc gaming get more traction but that could ruin it.

globalization has made all technology plummet in price and available for the masses.

>commie calls others bootlicker

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HOly fuckin shit I haven't laughed this hard in a while. Thanks for the giggle m8.

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All this means is that my PC will be even more cost-effective when next gen rolls around and consoles launch at upwards of $700.
Tick tock consolepoors.

Intel make most chips in USA but they will likely claim tariff's hurt them to raise the price on their CPU's again

OY VEY

Or, you know, they just go to another Asian country

>We need to manufacture our own stuff
why

Based Trump.

Force those shitty companies to make factories over in the US and pay their employees a semi-decent wage rather than exploiting oppressed Chinamen working in subhuman conditions.

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Considering most of the Trumpchumps here are either underaged or balls deep in conspiracy theotires, I doubt it.

It is so simple. Go to washington. Shovel a couple hundered thou at turtle man. Get what you want. This isn't fucking rocket science.

passing the price onto the consumer only works if all of them do it. if Xboxs are 400 and Playstations are 800, one of them will do better

Good thing I am not a console pleb, I also don't live in the US.

It will do nothing to the large corporations. However it will definitely do something to the small to mid companies that buy their 10000 tshirts from China for pennies and get them shipped to the US for even less.

no
i'm happy with my life
unlike you

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>dude trump is enacting a trade war because he cares about Chinese people!
Most blatantly fucking dishonest person ITT, pls fuck yourself

>Sucking Chinas dick

Why not leave, gook?

how is tech like tvs and consoles being cheap exploiting me?

>Laughable. We're never bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. Tariffs don't last forever and Trump is a dumbfuck for trying to enforce competition when it's never going to come back.

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Trump probably cares more about the average chinese worker than the chinese government does honestly

>There wont be excess profits to set aside as bonuses
LOL

>Consoles
Oh my, let me go get my tiny violin.
Allow me to shed a tear for all the consolefags who might have to pay an extra $300 for their shitty sportsball and lootbox games, oh, how sad.

f-fuck the 1% Google is part of le resistance!

>gooks
>liking china
what?

>There wont be excess profits to set aside as bonuses for retarded ideas.

They are just going to pass the cost to the consumer so the bonuses are going nowhere.

But it's still cheaper to have chinks make it. Why would they move to the US?

That post is clearly satirical. Don't come to Yea Forums if you're autistic and can't parse. Stop seeing every word as a personal affront to your individual ideals user.

Nothing g really, this will be a better reason to stop playing video games in general. Plus I have a backlog of games I yet to have played still in the shrinkwrap, so this is no big deal for mr senpai.

yeah lets talk about those PC exclusives like

>china fucks over the US in trade for years because of literal inhuman labor conditions
How are tariffs unfair exactly? You can't compete with a country with literal child slave labor.

honestly one of the dumbest posts I have ever read. I hope you are falseflagging because in that case you are doing a great job

No not really no

Is this actually going to happen? How much more expensive would vidya shit be?

cause the nips like profit margins too
also
>game company is japanese therefore their primary target audience must be the japanese

kek. video games make twice as much money in the USA than they do in Japan. so it is the entitled American customers.

>all these PCfags acting hot shit just because their "console" isn't being tax
Just wait until Trump decide to turn his back against you.

Shipping costs and tariffs are a wash for labor prices of manufacturing in the United States vs China and Mexico
>t. assistant logistic superintended for largest pipe and steel supplier in the United States
We constantly underbid import steel and make our money from volume. 90% of factories in the United States are in cities well below the poverty line and in right to work States

Why the fuck would they undercut each other by such a retarded amount? If one company sells a console for 800 then the other company will sell it for 700. They don't just decide they're going to bring down prices back to normal because they feel like it.

>How are tariffs unfair exactly?
You are not solving anything you're only making shit more expensive.

Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh lol

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Consoleniggers aren't hhuman? You guys would buy a VHS with an Microsoft sticker on it if I threw out some buzzword like RAYTRACING to get you salivating. Get fucked

/int/ makes fun of burgers for a good reason user

He already talked about the loli problem on his forum?

koreans?

God, Trump supporters are such retards. You guys are no different than the liberals mindlessly sucking Obama off when he was president.

If you're looking for sympathy here you're really not helping your case.
I'll be sure to keep voting for Trump just so your povertybox ends up being $1000 ;^).

Most of the good PC stuff is not made in china though.

Sony always wins, this will be easy. Sony will stop it.

depends if they intend to make profit off of hardware or not.

Secondly, Microsoft is orders of magnitude more powerful an influential than Nintendo or Sony, and could easily swallow a 100 dollar a console loss if it means putting the boot to the throat of their competition

>implying trump gives a shit about anybody but himself

Yeah because /int/ is full of mentally ill people who can't talk about anything except how they hate America, what is your point?

Obama was at least charismatic and well spoken.

no, the Laos.
>irrelevant country
>doing fuck all while other shit is going on in the rest of Asia
who knows what those fuckers are up to.

but its only cheap because it uses exploited labor and because corporations lobbied decades ago to lower the tariffs so they could set up shop there

your argument is that because a long time ago rich people passed laws that benefited them, you're not allowed to undo their work because thats unfair?

this thread is a fucking goldmine.

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>people have been complaining about cheap chinese plastic for my entire life
>people have been complaining about chinese sweatshops for my entire life
>people have been complaining about jobs and plants moving overseas for my entire life
now suddenly when someone says this out loud in public, they're satan hitler

You don't understand. You said 800 dollars vs 400 dollars. That's not going to happen. It'd be 800 dollars vs 700 dollars. Everything would still be more expensive.

the statement can still be true user

Even Bush was charismatic and well spoken compared to Trump.

hit a nerve chang? you must be upset after those hong kong protests cucked your government

despite being a lefty glenn has been fired from a half dozen lefty papers for shit like this

And Obama was a functioning human being with at least moderate intelligence. Trump's a full-blown retard.

lmao your argument is LITERALLY that things are bad, but its pointless to try to make them better

Kill
Your
Self

your giant corporations won't be able to afford exclusives once tariff's hit

you're right, and it was hyperbole. 25% on production cost isn't going to increase the per console sale significantly anyway given the sheer scale. how much does it cost to make a console anyway?

>shits on consolefags AND the chinese
if this is not based then I don't know what is

do you not understand tariffs?

>you're not allowed to undo their work because thats unfair?

Tariffs don't undo anything, they only make shit more expensive.

He is right though, Trump wouldnt even bomb 150 Iranians. The chinese? We have seen what they do to their own people.

how many times are we going to have to post "the tarrifs don't work and just make things worse" before people start responding to it

>people are defending donald trunks
LMAOOO

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if an industry relies on exploiting slaves then it's not an economically viable industry and should be shut down

American and European companies that rely on foreign slave labour should be shut down on ethical grounds.

forget tifa's tits, this is real ethics in video games

>Oh wait, it exists, it's called a PC.
and no one gives a shit about it for couch gaming which is what the vast majority of the market is. Look at how quickly the Steam Machine died and that was supposed to be the intermediary for it.

>Bawwww my mommy won't buy me a PS5 when it's 800 dollars

Why would a 70 year old billionaire become the president of the most powerful country on earth if he was only in it for himself? He could live comfortably for the rest of his life if he wanted to. What deludes you into thinking this way user? Is it just the media?

Trump only cares about Trump

Not cool, don't make fun of PCbros just because they don't have games.

Trump didn't just say that out loud. He enacted nation-wide tariffs on trade.

>being against child labor
Gonna have to disagree desu. Teaches discipline and teachers are overpaid in all honesty. Education is a meme. Kids 200 years ago would be working on farm kids these days are blasting rap music loud enough for the neighborhood to hear and swearing every other sentence. Lil fuckers need to get to sweat shops and stop blasting mumble rap acting like animals.

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Do you?

>Impoverished people work at factories for quarters a day
>The alternatives are being forced to subsistence farm and risk starvation or marry off
>IF YOU WANT TO HELP THEM THEN SHUT DOWN THE FACTORIES!
You have the intelligence of a shrimp.

Greenwald an actual leftist, not a neoliberal, so he will be against corporations and exploiting labor like most of them used to be before the rich realized you can just donate the billions you were giving to republicans to Obama instead and get wall street bailouts

if corporate would buckle up and answer the challenge they'd start making insane returns in years which means more $ and more control.

Then you best pony up for those $700 consoles then, NIGGER.
Don't whine about it, you're paying the retard tax for that convenient chinkshit.

>mentally ill
there is nothing mentally ill about hating the worst posters on the board

>Why would a 70 year old billionaire become the president of the most powerful country on earth if he was only in it for himself?

Are you even listening to yourself?

Yeah I'm sure he wouldn't bomb 150 Iranians because he was concerned for them as people.

That’s not based on location of manufacture. What is the last product that moved production overseas and saw a reduction in price? I’ll wait. The system has been distorted for a hundred years, 90% of what you learn in your economics class does not apply to reality

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Holy shit imagine being this deep into a cult.

>exploited labor
china entering the wto has pulled millions of its people out of poverty
how is that exploited labor?

>guys the left wing globalist academics with a degree in economic gender studies say that tarrifs don't work and have no historical evidence for it so it must be true!!!

based as fuck, make slavery legal again

vast majority of the market is phone these days

Because Donald Trump doesn't want to live comfortable for the rest of his life. He wants attention, and he wants people to like him. The presidency is nothing to him but a way to make himself more popular.
You are completely brainwashed.

Thanks Chang Jobu, now fuck off.

No, you retard, they'd be $1000 and the executives would get $700 of it while paying minimum wage for manufacturing costs.
And it would brick a lot more often.

I'm glad you acknowledge that America is leader of the entire world, and must save every single person on earth, since they are completely helpless without us.

Who said about moving the US? Why can't they just move to another shitty country for cheap labor?

It'll be pretty sad and disgusting when you see gamers finally standing up against the Trump regime when they regularly do fascist acts of terrorism everyday just because it hurts their video games.

Fuck China, make your faggy toys somewhere else

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>but its pointless to try to make them better

Tariffs don't solve slave labor nor bring jobs back to the US.

Just because the Great Orange Leader decrees it and you love it, it doesn't mean it's solving anything.

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>What is the last product that moved production overseas and saw a reduction in price?
The phone you're posting on.

>the worst posters on the board are the only people who post anything that isn't about hating Americans
amazing. No, you're not mentall ill that is totally healthy. Why would anyone want to discuss anything other than how terrible Americans are at any point?

Get ready for the majority of global electronics manufacturing to move from China to India.

>Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have written
none of them are people, so it's fucking nothing.

That's literally what tariffs do, and have always done, throughout history, though.
What is your proof that tariffs have never worked, ever?

yeah, just like how those friendly traders brought all those Africans out of poverty right?

what would you propose?

Get fuck amerifats

>implying US manufacturers would be able to sell Xbones when the build-cost shoots up to $500
Even if Xbox was made in the USA, if EVERY component was made here, the cost would become astronomical
Are you retarded?

Amazing rebuttals there leftoids. You're an embarrassment.

What leads you to believe this? It's amazing how a couple of years of reading propaganda can twist an impressionable persons mind.

Based trump MAGA

he's called off strikes before. since there's evidence that suggests he does care, its up to you to prove what you think you know

>implying the video games have anything to do with it
Donald Trump literally cannot formulate a coherent sentence half the time he talks. He incriminates himself weekly, in tweets and interviews. He just recently said he's going to impose sanctions on the former leader of Iran who has been dead for decades. He's a genuine retard, whether this tariff goes through or not.

>Why would a 70 year old billionaire become the president of the most powerful country on earth if he was only in it for himself?
pull your head out of your ass for 1 second and write what you just wrote.

Based and /thread.

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Price remained unaffected by savings in reduced material and labor quality, so wrong

>Who said about moving the US?
Why did you respond to my post without reading the reply chain?

>Why can't they just move to another shitty country for cheap labor?

You can't move factories that easily.

And there is the chance that after all the time and money spent moving, Trump will slap tariffs on those countries too.

If he wanted to be popular he would run as a democrat & be another liberal neo con like Joe Biden is, but hes making hard choices that hurt people's feelings, because sometimes that's the best thing to do

Yeah but game consoles don't use Intel CPUs cause they're too expensive
They use custom-dealed AMD ones

>comparing slavery to measurable increases in per capita gdp
lmaoing at your life

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>keep letting China fuck you in the ass so we can make a profit
How about no?

>tax everything except rich people
why is america like this?

So based indeed, conservatives are so brainwashed

Now about those 55 genders us liberals believe in

Accept that stuff made in the US is going to be more expensive because its people are not into being treated like slave labor.

yeah

You are the biggest dumbass in this thread.

2late white boi
china #1

>this guy is altruistic because he's a billionaire
>you guys are the brainwashed ones, im perfectly reasonable
please get deprogrammed

Fucking based. Also devs shouldnt rely on the Amerimutt market. This will change the structure of the industry, and its fucking good.

>spouts a prepackaged "argument" (just bullshit conjecture) that anti-trump people say constantly
>wow you guys are so brainwashed!

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You didn't even refute my point you dumb shit. There are other reasons to not attack than humanitarian. If you are American you should be well aware of this.

>trying to partisan politics your way out of this
lol

The point is that PC parts aren't manufactured in China and aren't exorbitantly expensive.
That said, without chinkshit manufacturing, a console will get absolutely decimated by a mid-range PC in terms of price-performance.

You saying all liberals believe in 55 genders is like me saying all conservatives are racist. That's a logical fallacy, you listen to a vocal minority and apply that to the entire demographic. Go back to middle school.

I bet you actually believe this, you fucking fruit brain.
Go back to waiting for Q to post again.

You're right, why would the Russian Mob acquire newly privatized state resources and create an oligopoly if they were only in it for themselves?He'd become president for attention, or even to use state resources to continue to line his pockets.
Most people who become billionaires generally don't have a sense of 'enough'

CONSOLES GOOD!
ORANGE MAN BAD!

What? Are you underage or something? Computers in general used to be much more expensive.

>What leads you to believe this?
Remember how butthurt Trump got when he was told that his inauguration crowd was smaller than Obamas?

incorrect

the entire reason consoles are even profitable is because they're cheap and you can eat the manufacturing cost with licensing and digital fee's

a 700$ console wouldn't get made

I'm not liberal. I'm just not literally retarded.

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If that was true he'd just be a leftist and say nothing but politically correct things on twitter all day. Yet he does the exact opposite and has made nothing but enemies, and the majority of feedback he gets is vitirol from vile leftists.

>calls other people's arguments prepackaged when he's spouting talking points from /pol/ from the election-cycle

>he genuinely defends a billionaire retard who would burn him to death for 5 dollars

can't refute a point that can't be proven. now go look through your archives and tell us the latest reason orange man is bad

WTF I HATE KEK NOW???

>lootbox games
Not a good argument when PC games are full of microtransactions too

>falling for the charismatic nigger meme
Lmao @ ur life

Haha, yea, insulting orange hilter was great.

y'know... alexander hamilton was basically a result of child labor....

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he seem to care about jews lol

If the caliphate of Europe was the driving market force fifa would be the only game

Get fucked console fags

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>made in USA Xbox
So its going to break 5 times as fast as normal but cost twice as much?

>At first they came for the incels...

>mfw i'm not an amerimutt

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Weak w*stoid spotted. Getting real sick of w*stoid trash. Disrespectful to elders, no honor, softened by child labor laws, laws in general. Cussing everywhere, drug addicts. Filthy gaijin subhuman. Russia chink iran alliance finna dab on piggus.

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so you're saying that communist work camps and destroying the world with CO2 and dumping everything into the ocean are a small price to pay so chinamen can afford two bags of rice instead of one?

Stop watching political youtubers. It turns your brain into egg salad.

Obama was a retarded nigger

wtf those companies all support gay pride and lgbt+ rights, how dare the government touch them?

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>haha trump is hitler
>wtf trump is stopping us companies using chinese slave labour? but i want my cheap iphone

the average liberal

I love talking about videogames.

Except console games that sell for $60 are FULL of microtransactions, and most of these same $60 games don't sell well on PC since they're consoleturd shit (like Fifa, NBA 2k, EAshit, CoD, etc. etc.)

im not a burger lol

Why would Trump do that? Are you retarded? Dude is a corporate bitch with zero backbone, did you forget his shutdown?

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>aren't exorbitantly expensive
They are relative to the price of console equivalent parts
>That said, without chinkshit manufacturing, a console will get absolutely decimated by a mid-range PC in terms of price-performance.
That's kind of the crux here (not to mention most of the price of gaming PCs comes from the GPU which are not manufactured here). The issue is that the price-point of consoles isn't set arbitrarily. It's where the company realizes they can actually move enough units while building a solid installbase for software. Even if they made a $700, no one would buy it. Especially given the state of AAA games where basically none of them would justify a $700 buy in cost.

kek, this orange mutt isn't going to do shit.

At least Obama gets an excuse for being retarded then, since he's a nigger. What excuse does Trump have?

True

>implement tariffs on china
>gain the spite of almost every corporation that does manufacturing in china
>companies still keep their production in china because even with tariffs, the cost to start up plants in the US would be greater than just tanking the tax loss
>prices increase because companies trying to keep their profit margins the same
>now gain the spite of consumers who now have to pay more for a good because you're using a method of regulation that doesn't actually help

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You happen to have that crazy rambling he did about Elton John?

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actually most of my shit says made in japan and usa

>your spouting /pol/ talking points because you pointed out my hypocrisy
>can't come up with an argument so just posts some emotionally charged garbage that has absolutely zero actual value

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>They are relative to the price of console equivalent parts
Not even, especially on the GPU side.

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I'll support Trump's tariff only if the NEETs in this board take those new manufacturing jobs.

Trump has dementia. He literally is retarded.

>Poster talks about intelligence of presidents
>responds with ad-hominem attack
bitch, no one is going to buy a PS5 or Scarlett for $800. There aren't any exclusives that could justify the cost

i hope it means console is dead

Well, looks like it made no difference then, did it?

I have this though
youtu.be/EpGH02DtIws

Then manufacture in your own countries. The tariffs are only in China and their work is fucking garbage anyways. I want my old consoles back that could fall off a fucking roof or get hit by a missile and still work. Give me back consoles that still work perfectly fine 25 years later.

Make the consoles in Vietnam or Indonesia or Taiwan instead you retards. Indonesians work for less money anyway.

>Trump has overturned nearly off of Obama's things
>still hasn't released the death pics of Osama Bin Laden though
What the fuck, bros?

yes

Wouldn't this really only affect Microsoft?
Sony and Nintendo are both Japanese companies and have never had a place to make consoles here in the US

Has there been a president before trump where so many people, especially his opponents, have a fucking headcanon of him that is not congruent with reality? I feel like I'm reading people discussing the plot of FF7 with how many bullshit lies and assertions about him as a person are being thrown out with absolutely no evidence

You underestimate the stupidity of console gaymers. They already justify paying 60 dollars for nothing with arguments such as "What? Are you poor?"

I'll take a funny moron over a career politician who knows how to fuck us.

Get rid of obummer care first

Can someone explain why we wasted money investing in China instead of SEA, a region that's much less hostile to the US (and the rest of the world), has a much smarter populace generally speaking, and has higher quality of life than 90% of mainland China and pollutes A LOT less?
Besides the obvious answer; money.

Describe for me what it is that this "entitlement" you talk about means.

Employees in the manufacturing sector deserve a good wage. Are you saying that American workers don't deserve good pay? Corporations manufacture in China because they can get away with paying an insufficient wage. Tell me, what makes people entitled when they want a good wage and affordable goods?

Eh, that's just a misspeak. Probably meant to say 47.

what a shame.

misspeak for obama huh

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There is no beside the obvious answer, money is the motivator for almost every decision made.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias#In_manufacturing_and_goods_production

Sony officially moved the Playstation HQ to the US though. They are providing more jobs in the US now than they do overseas. They could probably use it as a bargain chip too, move the company back to Japan. Which would actually be the best for everyone.

The same reason we're letting tons of low IQ retards into our countries despite then causing crime and even bombing shit, it's because more people = lower labor cost and labor costs are the primary cost of doing business.

Are you willing to pay that good wage from your own pocket?

Will never happen. Too many senators scared people wont reelect them if they vote to repeal.

Jobs. Careers. Quality. Better social mobility and increased consumer confidence. There are several reasons; you were born after NAFTA and the WTO grew labyrinthian, so you wouldn't understand.

Why would you buy consoles in the first place?
Also no, i'd never vote for a leftist, they are the enemy of the west and of white people.
The only thing leftists deserve is a bullet in the head.

>now gain the spite of consumers
Trumptards are stupid enough that this part won’t happen.
I’m in one of the largest semiconductor, automotive, and aerospace distributors in the world and basically al customers are straight refusing to pay the tariffs so we are eating the cost and laying off like mad. Q2 is ending soon and it’s only going to get worse.

I thought they were though?
I mean, last time I checked, building a PC with PS4 specs (GTX 970, 2.2 Ghz 6 core CPU, 8 gigs of GDDR5 RAM) came out to about $550. Even if you're shaving off $150 as part of negotiations for parts prices, you still add on $50 or so for mark-up and profit

because we already did that.
see the asian tigers.
china was just the next country in the 90s
now even china is moving their really cheap labor stuff to places like bangladesh.

What hypocrisy?

you mean a paper tiger is going to knock over a cardboard cut-out? yeah thats actually already the plan.

You mean, am I willing to spend $5 dollars for a good product, or $2 dollars for a mediocre one? Yeah.

True, he should have simply declared war on China.

>PS4 specs (GTX 970
Stopped reading there.
Even a PS4 Pro has trouble competing with a GTX 970, hence why the former can only pull off 1080p30 in Yakuza Kiwami 2 while the latter can just about tickle the taint of 1080p60.

This is why games as services will be the future. Physical media is becoming too expensive.

if they don't like tariffs maybe they should manufacture in a different country; say, somewhere in the anglosphere. fuck them.

the answer, of course, is greedy fucking cunts

Not him, but actually, yeah, I am. I'd have no problem paying higher taxes if I knew for sure it would actually help Americans actually get liveable wages.

I'll vote for him as long as "ethics" departments exists and shrink big fat tittied

I'll vote for him as long as rainbow colored dykes are ruining vidya

I don't even care about politics. I was forced to care.

Posting a non-argument with zero evidence just because he heard it from some media outlet.

he was also investigated for pedo-tourism allegations in Malasya

More like a gtx 950m

You shit on your streets, cook food in spent motor oil, have mechanical failures everywhere, eat babies, and blindly commit homicide in traffic.

Its all about diodes, user. Companies like Apple literally overpay by 600% and buy up all diodes all over the planet to make their products then ship it all to China to manufacture it cheaply because they paid so much to acquire everything. Then the excess diodes they don't use, they market off to the highest bidder. This is the reason companies don't like the tariffs, because it damages their monopoly.

t. EE that works for Raytheon that has to listen to a General from the Military and some fat Jew from Apple argue over this literally every other day.

Maybe don't make your shit in China using slave labor.

most people already knew that. now what?

I don’t care, fuck these cocksuckers for selling out to chinks.

Tell that to corporations who are only doing that to save money and who just got a huge tax cut in their revenue, but are showing 0 signs of bringing anything back to America.

>there are americans who think only on the present day
>They literally can't comprehend how big of a threat China is to the entire tech industry, let alone how much they benefit from the laziness and greed of rich companies

>Trump is trying to make america great again, just like he promised, he does this by encouraging domestic manufacturing and self sufficiency
>"REE ORANGE MAN BAD MY JEW OVERLORDS HAVE TO PAY MORE TO SELL ME THEIR SHIT NOW"

Trump might be a retard but he's got an eye for business, you faggot underage / libs keep crying but we'll see who was right 10-30 years from now.

Not american, btw

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that's not how the government works
the president can't do anything about that

It also destroyed the middle class of the first world.

based, fuck consoles

Why do you think a lazy ass American making it would improve quality in any way?

I suppose you don't realize that when more money is spent within the country, and everyone can afford more, that wages and prices adjust, the economy strengthens, and higher consumer confidence causes more purchasing and investment. The jaded outlook everyone has toward economics and government are the result of the absence of these things.

Based. Trump is genius. He knows the corrupt American video game industry isnt worth saving, and its the fucking truth.

Only makes me happy and smile.

Because tariffs don't address the root of the problem, idiot.

I'm a third worlder working on a third world country as an IT admin responsible for a bank's VOIP platform. They pay me more or less US$1000.
Imagine how much I would be paid if I worked in the United States; that's the amount of money you will be forced to pay with local manufacturing.
How much

>NUUUUU BUT MUH FREE MARKET MUH INVISIBLE HAND
hilarious when even the emperor of the amerilards had to step in against the cancer that is neo-liberism.

>bad corporations got a tax cut
>bad corporations are now begging Trump not to ruin their China business

Blame the media

it's a step
you're a retard if you think that's the only thing going on / planned

Most of the trumpalos on this thread didn't though.

>based, fuck videogames
ftfy

What honestly happened to people here?
It used be people beleived the political system was a rigged game where it doesn't make a fiddlers fuck if you vote for the reds or the blues at the end of the day its an illusion of free choice
how did this simple message get lost? was it redditfugees?

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The tariffs are only against china. It does not encourage people to move things back to america.

To be fair, much of the polution comes from all the investment. It's not like chinese are known to drive their huge cars around the city for example.

>already an idort
>when the next set of consoles are worth a purchase Drumph will be long gone
Oh wait I'm not even american.

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>(You
Sorry, PS4 Pro I meant

You don't live here, and probably never have. When things were made in America before, they were of better quality. Also, get out of here with your bullshit insults, you don't know shit. You clearly shouldn't even be in this discussion, because you are completely ignorant of everything to do with it.

New kids here thats why, they dont understand for now.

Leftists went insane and infiltrated vista. Simple as that.

>Jobs. Careers. Quality. Better social mobility and increased consumer confidence.
prove any of those were negatively affected by increased trade with china or other countries

this is whats happening. THIS RIGHT HERE. SKILLED SPECIALIZED PROFESSIONALS DROPPED.

>Vast majority of corporations got a tax cut
>Consumer based corporation doesn't want to put a bigger burden on their customer base since they already k ow they're a hard sell

newfag trumptards have a very low IQ

that OS is shit, they can have it

Even then you'd be looking at an RX 470 with a bottom-tier Ryzen quadcore and 8 GB of RAM, which can easily be had for $400.

>Not already having a PS4 switch and gaming PC
Top kek, oh no the tariffs on the Xbone whatever will I do

Also fuck China build them in North America with robots.

>big corporations are mad
>this somehow it's evil
Something tells me that you're a corporative cocksucker or a neoliberal.

/pol/ believes they memed a man into the white house and they assume they have perfect judgement of the content of his character so they think they found the one honest man in politics which is retarded

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china is a problem because of ip stuff and forcing companies to have a close relationship to the chinese government.
tariffs do nothing to address that

What does companies wanting to deliver a fairly priced product have to do with neo-liberalism?

I'll never vote for SJW sympathizers.

It makes evil people angry, it can only be good.

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>I wanted Bernie but voted the total antithesis to him the orange oompa loompa to spite dems

this is exactly why voting should require some sort of test to verify you have an intelligence higher than someone with a 6th grade education.

FUCK TRUMP!!!! That faggot is the reason we have an helium shortage. This make working at Party City sucks. Every weekend, we have so many people asking for balloons. It feel like rush hour. Fuck you Trump, I just want to get pay and have a nice afternoon weekend, not get attack 50 people telling me to re-fill their balloons, only to be stressed out for the rest of the day.

>buying modern video games, let alone modern video game consoles

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So it would be a regular 960

BUT ORANGE MAN BAD

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yeah but whatever, politics is a joke so it's better to vote for him to see what crazy stuff happens next

Memes + politics = Maximum cancer

Yeah they do. Eventually tariffs will get too expensive and would actually be more expensive to make in china. They will have to move. And if tariff all sources of cheap labor, it can only come back.
>B-but a pair of socks will cost a hundred million dollars
How are PC parts so cheap then? They have the capability to manufacture here for relatively normal prices. Even if automation is needed, it will be better here than in China. This idea that nothing can ever be done about globalization is a shill mantra just meant to demoralize people who have historically been against globalization all in the name of serving the masters ego and their coffers.

>da pwesident will make all those meanie sjws go away!!!!!

That's what happens if you open the gates to the masses.

>Thinking only one half is the problem

>orange oompa loompa
lmao there are actual leftists in this thread.
Really fascinating creatures.

>this is exactly why voting should require some sort of test
Yes, it should be restricted entirely to politicians and the military.
Civilians don't deserve any say in how countries are ruled.

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PC master race bitch.

>When things were made in America before, they were of better quality.
prove it
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias#In_manufacturing_and_goods_production
also there is a reason why japanese cars took off in america.
it was because us car makers were selling shit steel boxes and not quality engineered cars.

of course it encourages them to manufacture in america: america is not china.

I don't like America, but this is in the best interests of the nation. But globalists and commies want cheap shit even if it means the middle class will end up broke and depressed.

because some pointed out that just jacking the price up too high will have consequences?

>PLEASE PROTECT MY MUTLI-NATIONAL, MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR CONGLOMERATION FROM HIGHER COSTS AND LOWER PROFITS
>I WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS THAT OFFER THE BEST PRODUCT AT THE LOWER PRICES FOR MY CONSUMPTION
>I CAN'T STAND NOT CONSUMING THINGS
>I NEED MY FAVORITE COMPANIES TO KEEP FLEECING ME OF ALL THAT I AM.

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lol you amerimutt are so fucking stupid lmao get fucked. turmp is really an interesting guy tho regarding this.

>i was forced to care about politics because of sjws in my video games
>n-no wait what I actually mean is that I don't really care about politics and im just doing it for the epic lulz
please kill yourself

Who's idea was it to monopolize manufacturing in China anyway? And shouldn't the cost of labor in China have grown by this point anyway since their economy has grown so much?

The smart move is to move all manufacturing to Mexico. Cheap labor, weak unions, and you can just truck that shit tariff-free across the US-Mexico border.

MADE

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Americans are too lazy and arrogant to take manufacturing jobs. Bringing factories back to the USA won't solve shit because no one will work on them.
Just look at Yea Forums, where we have constant threads featuring NEETs mocking workers and preaching the NEET lifestyle.

Linking a wikipedia article doesn't make you correct you know? He is correct, and its because the workers in the USA weren't over the verge of suicide like chinese workers are.

No, I simply don't care that they are going to be more expensive.
I want China to die, that's worth more than any stupid console.

Ideally, China would have been nuked a long time ago.

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/pol/ thought trump would bring coal back

No one's asking the multi-nationals to be protected
Consumers are demanding that THEY be protected

>Eventually tariffs will get too expensive and would actually be more expensive to make in china. They will have to move.

So why would they move to the US instead of a cheaper country?

I see what you mean, but for me i don't want to be involved in any way in this scam that politics is.

IN AMERICA

>Just look at Yea Forums, where we have constant threads featuring NEETs mocking workers and preaching the NEET lifestyle.
>a fringe website
>proof of anything
>t. (((corporation)))

>I want China to die, that's worth more than any stupid console.
>Ideally, China would have been nuked a long time ago.
why? you don't live in china

>I'll just charge them money to do business overseas when even with the tax it'll still be less than the startup cost of booting up plants in America and buying materials from not-China and having higher wages,.
>That'll solve it.

Industry needs to supported in the US again at some point, your NEET lifestyle or your useless customer service job is unsustainable.

Sounds like Americans need some humbling from their spoiled lifestyles.
This is why the draft needs to come back, but this time for women too.

Tariffs unironically made the US a national power at the turn to the 20th century. This idea that tariffs never work is a lie, and meant to demoralize anyone threatening the coffers of the elite. Hell, China does so many tariffs on us and it was working for a long time. But we threaten to match their tariffs and the shills go into an uproar. The reality is, they dont care. They just want cheap labor for maximum profits. You will never convince them to put the country before themselves.

It's probably in the best interest of the entire world, because china is THAT depended of other countries.
If other countries stops making china richer, everyone will become more prosperous, though at the cost of a few decades of increased prices

>96% of video game consoles imported to the US were from China
OH NO NO NO NO MY INDUSTRY NOOOOO DRUMPPPPPFFFF!!!

>if we just tax all the rich coastal states, we can subsidize coal rather than invest more in green energy R&D and infrastructure
it doesn't help that most of the coal plants were built using government subsidies already

how is he correct? he doesn't link any data.

Then don't buy consoles.
It's literally that simple.

see

Because China is a superpower and is already antagonizing us.
In a perfect world, we would cohexist, but we can't, so they have to go.

This is just a second Cold War, except this time the Soviet Union is formed by China, Russia and potentially Europe.

I’m an American and immigrating out this year for a masters in finance. I see the impact of all of these tariffs daily so fuck off back to your barista job. Quality has overwhelmingly increased across all markets worldwide over time. Lemon vehicles are factually no longer a thing, despite the vast majority of production moving out of the States into Mexico and China, but you want to move 100% of production back here? People want $15 an hour for taking food orders they can’t even get right. Costs would skyrocket and we will actually see a decrease in quality for a fair bit of time due to the transition.

Protected from consuming products using slave-wage labor, poor, unsafe regulations, in a country with an authoritarian, one-party system with a President for life that runs literal concentration camps for millions of its citizens who follow the wrong religion?

There's nothing he can do. It's like a religion. Take the black pill.

who said anything about the companies? people are mad that their own shit is gonna cost more for no reason

Not at less-than 200% tariff mark-up.

It's simple math: If this mid-range company is getting tshirts from China for say $2/shirt, and it costs 50 cents to have it shipped here then in total that's $2.50 a shirt. Now what would happen if you moved that business here? Well not only is the country's minimum wage NINE DOLLARS AN HOUR but you also need to pay for health insurance, sick time, vacation time, a lunch break, etc. $9/hour is what the worker might see but the company is actually paying $14-15/hour for an American's labor.

So what the fuck does a 20% tariff ACTUALLY accomplish? Even at a 50% tariff the company's operation costs go from $2.50/shirt to $3.75/shirt. That's fucking nothing. There is no financial incentive for anybody to bring jobs back to the west because the gulf between what a westerner's labor is worth vs. an asian or indian is just utterly fucking massive.

And this isn't even taking into account the fact that automation is knocking on our door.

Neither do you, you dumb fucking cunt. Kill yourself.

This. It only encourages them to move to other places with cheap labor, like Vietnam, Indonesia or Mexico.

Corporations want to save money and make a profit. They're not going to pay American workers, who expect fair wages plus benefits, if they can help it.

A model to our society

America spreads abortion, globohomo, feminism and identity politics overseas. They can die in a fire for all I care, but I won't deny that it's only logical of them to do this.

Yeah, no one cares how the sausage is made. just don't fuck with the cost of my shit

and thats good. nobody likes snoy except for you amerifats. americunt sjws are particularly greedy and have no clue about games. they will fail anyway

Soi bois didnt get enough upvotes on their site to make their arguments valid, so the cestpool filtered in here.
Presidential critiques are cancer, doesnt matter if its a red or blue in office, they are just puppets. These soi bois listen to too many political youtubers and political game reviewers, they no longer have independent thought, which is why plebbit casted them out.

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>of course it encourages them to manufacture in america:
how

>>Thinking only one half is the problem
on Yea Forums it is leftists mostly keep their retardation on reset era and reddit

This isn't quite accurate. There are plenty of people outside the major urban areas that would do manufacturing jobs. It's the people in the cities that won't do them, because they think they have better things they can do.

>if we put tariffs on china then that would somehow stop companies from moving to a different 3rd world country and they would all move back to america
explain

>unironically trying to demonize someone for trying to hold China responsible for once all because it might inconvenience multibillion dollar corporations because of their own over reliance on Chinese manufacturing for cost cutting

Maybe they shouldn't produce 96% of their shit in fucking China. That might also solve this nonexistent problem.

see

>trump is killing modern videogames

>this is somehow bad

OH YEAH DADDY EA GIVE ME MORE MICROTRANSACTIONS
SPILL THAT DLC ALL OVER MY FACE
OH YEAH

>a-americans don't work, we need to outsource everything to china
SHUT THE FUCK UP RABBI

the one making the positive claim is required to show evidence.
i don't have to make his argument for him faggot.

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>I’m an American and immigrating out this year for a masters in finance.
You're not an American. You're a rootless citizen of a liberalized global order that failed to snuff out all elements of national, ethnic, or religious identity fast enough and are now in the rows of a generational fight over the rights of a people to choose their course in history or the control of the power and elite to decide the best systems for all of humanity.

Reminder that globalism is just Chinese nationalism.

archive.today/2018.11.08-194711/https://reactionarythought.wordpress.com/2018/09/02/globalism-is-actually-chinese-nationalism/

Sounds like someone needs to slap some sense into millennials.

>96% home consoles imported from china
ahahaha holy shit this is just sad

they still persecute religious folk over there?

>every third world country has China's manufacturing potential

Ah yes the titan of industry that us Zimbabwe how could we forget we should just remain indebted to China for literally everything. Everybody can stop now.

>digital good = physical good manufactured or has materials that come from china
How fucking stupid are you?

The retards have no idea, Apple used to make their PCs in America until the iPhone and they weren't any more expensive than now. Motorola made Moto Gs in the US, and they were regarded as some of the best value for money in budget phones until the flood of Mediatek trash hit the market.

OEM are using China to boost their margins, not to make products cheaper.

>NOOOOOO DON'T STOP CHINA I'LL HAVE TO PAY A FEW EXTRA DOLLARS FOR MY CHILDREN'S TOYS!!!!

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You know that they'll just move manufacturing to a SEA country, right?

>people on Yea Forums now defend megacorporations that want to bleed every cent of them dry, and a billionaire who would personally rape your dog to death for a profit
When did we go wrong?

So you're just assuming and trusting in corporations to be patriotic, gotcha

Epic post my friend, destroyed one party state with two party "democracy". Atleast there are no concentration camps here in America, oh wait.

> their own shit is gonna cost more for no reason
That's rich considering every fucking video game company wants to become a digital platform that won't allow you to actually own anything.

Try again speedreader-kun. America has pushed its capitalist agenda too much and now it's paying the price. Companies exist solely to make profit and in the current liquid world of finance and complete economic anarchy these fuckers will keep doing their interests with no concerns for morality, nations, workers or anything and by doing so they are fucking hard everyone else.

it doesnt matter if is physical or digital when is fucking shit

MODERN GAMES ARE FUCKING SHIT
LET THEN DIE

Imagine if America, back in the 60s, produced most of their shit in the Soviet Union, and that you already had proof that some of the stuff you buy has subsystems designed to spy on you.
And you still wonder why China is not your friend?

Is America just addicted to being the slave nation of others?
You are going from Israel to China now?

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worked on mexico like last week boyo

There are only so many 3rd world countries that have the infrastructure to absorb it (like India). We can tariff them too.

No but why can't we penalize them for having 96% of their manufacturing power based in China?

This is different than EA and Activision getting btfo from the lootboxes because this is directly making consumers pay more. Fuck trump, fuck tariffs and most of all FUCK corporations. You want me to pay more because you have to pay .5% more taxes? FUCK YOU, I'll just buy second hand.

Then we can watch china collapse, I don't see the issue.

Wait is Mexico paying for the wall? Did he finally do it?

>china and america are the only countries in the world, every other country is just a mudhut wasteland
Fucking American education, holy shit.

You seem to have zero reading comprehension at all.

>Yea Forums is now filled with faggots like this who have no argument so they just string together a bunch of emotionally charged words in an attempt to get you to agree with them

>being reliant on other countries for your essential goods

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The amount of corporate/china cocksuckings in this thread is baffling.
Really shows how stupid some americans are

see

this thread is one of the best examples of why democracy doesnt work

>commies agreeing with the big corps
Like pottery.

Bet you little shits did nothing when all consoles had paid online since it wasn't connected to Drumpf.
Fuck off already, gaming is pozzled and a crash would be great.

eat my shit, neoliberal

if this is what causes the crash then I’m all for it

So then why are the tariffs only on china? It doesn't solve any problem.

>mfw soon we'll be able to use the Tiananmen copypasta to get americans banned

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>America
timesofisrael.com/congress-is-now-three-times-as-jewish-as-the-us-is/
>capitalist agenda
see above

Their army is guarding our border as well as their southern border, also removing illegals from latin america
them building a wall alongside their southern border is possible too
Oh and apparently guatemala or some shit is gonna be declared a safe third country, so shitskins seeking "assylum" are gonna get shoved there

>Yea Forums has been infiltrated by conservatards who obsess over and frantically suck off an obese orange who doesnt give a shit about them

They pretend to be communists yet they always do what corporations want. Abortion, globohomo, cheap labor in China, feminism; communists are the biggest corporative cocksuckers. Fuck /leftypol/.

Americans are cheap as fuck, and like their cheap goods. They don't care where it comes from as long as they have it right now.

How many countries have Chinese levels of manufacturing potential? How many countries have the land and resources to do that that we can't possibly tariff them all?

>OEM are using China to boost their margins, not to make products cheaper.
Yep. but that fact will never be acknowledged. Especially when you see things like the 1000$ IPhone.

hey user

go through your house and try to find an electronic not made in china

How is that an argument?

So thats a big "No"

Trump fucked up and cant get Mexico to pay for the wall 3 years into office. Master of the deal, lmao

Tfw european

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Schizophrenia doesn't work so easily. It's like being in an abusive relationship. Trump can (and probably will)sen them (the fit ones) off to war for israel and they'll still think he's playing 4D chess and is going to turn on the jews.

That's because most "Communists" are women, and women are notorious corporatist fucktards.

Abe Lincoln and Reagan were both deeply hated in their time.

Africa is projected to quadruple in population to 4 BILLION over the course of the century, so yea, Africa is the future of cheap, slave-wage labor. Now, it might become more of a hindrance than a benefit if automation becomes so cheap that cheap labor doesn't matter anymore.

>bring over shit jobs that used to be done by chinese slave labor
>don't want to pay the employees to actually do them
>prices are more expensive now with no alternatives since chinks can't steal the design plans

whoa thanks daddy trump

India

5 more years ;^)

>this

Man, I made a mistake. I'll never try to fix it.

What he should have done is just invade Mexico and turn them into a puppet nation.

>both chinks and mutts suffer and cant buy stuff

my sides. it will actually make the world somewhat better. trump is fucking genius. besides this, im really glad stupid greedy american brands like nike, moog are gonna suffer from this shit and at worst go bankrupt. all of them actually deserve this. they are almost scum artists.

feels good to be europoor

Point out Trump's wall failure and all his dicksuckers just shrink away with meme responses, lmao

Then I miss out on exclusives and I have to wait for emulation (if it ever happens) and that's bullshit

>mfw donald trump still hasn't even come close to following through on the thing that his entire campaign revolved around

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so the final argument to your country being deprived of industry and means of production while also getting cucked in trade is " but we can't play shitty games 25% cheaper eww"?

Is there anyway to escalate this into an actual war?
This is the best chance to get rid of both USA and China.

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Alright that's exactly one country. Man, what a list. Theres simply no way to put tariffs on TWO COUNTRIES.

>NOOO ANYTHING BUT PAYING A FEW EXTRA DOLLARS FOR MY ELECTRONICS!!!!! LET'S JUST LET THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT WHICH WANTS TO DESTROY US AMASS TONS OF WEALTH AND INSTALL SPYWARE ON ALL OUR ELECTRONICS, JUST SO LONG AS I DON'T HAVE TO PAY AN EXTRA 20 BUCKS FOR MY PHONE!!!!!

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>he doesn't know how supply curves work

in 50 years democrats will go on about how the roles have reversed and they are the party of donald trump now, not the republicans
or how trump was secretly a democrat that fooled those stupid biblehumpers

>/pol/ getting btfo when they're not in their echo chamber

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>NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! IF YOU STOP SLAVERY THEN HOW WILL MY SLAVES EAT? THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER WAY. I'M THE COMPASSIONATE ONE
There's no way to hop over and fix their situation short of annexation. The best that can be done is ensure that slavery isn't profitable

Sure but physical platform exclusivity is still gonna cost more.
Good graphics cards are still gonna cost more
This still fucking affects me in the future

"they don't work" isn't a fucking argument either

i'm fucking sick of the only unskilled work in my country being social work and wiping the arses of the old and infirm. i'm also sick of chink products that break down within a couple of years.

fuck china
fuck free market economics
the beatings will continue until morale improves
protectionism rules ok
eat shit

the wall is being built tho, and the money is already secured, the pentagon is paying for it

wait how many countries did you want me to list? It only takes one, given the choice a company like Apple would absolutely pick India over America for labor.

how did the gipper do it?

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I voted for him because he wasn't a SJW.
I couldn't care less about the country, the harder people have it, the better.
Millennials deserve to suffer, that generation of spoiled manchildren.

So just like Every president since Reagan?

>It's fine, I'll make a deal, I'm the deal maker
>Mexico: we're not paying for it
>Congress: we're not paying for it

Does your parent pay for everything you own? American companies do that shit all the time

>Tariffs
Damn you Ograbme! Damn your reptillian heart!

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P. fucking based if you ask me to be desu

And then everyone in the train will stand up and clap, right?

>the wall is being built tho
Like 20 feet of it, and Mexico isnt paying for shit. You niggers got rused.

So we tariff them both then.

>when you notice that that applies to every president since JFK
>when americans still blindly go to vote
>mfw I realize i'm not an amerimutt

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Bitcoin's value will hurt you more than any tariffs.

My S7 was made in Vietnam, nice try though.

Wouldn't leftists support this?

I would think leftists would support any policy that moves us away from cheap, abusive, Chinese labor.

Why do leftists love child labor and undocumented labor so much?

Charisma. Mondale was the experienced politician with smart policies, but Ronny knew how to tell people what they wanted to hear.

>protectionism rules ok
For the handful of bumblefucks whom it benefits.
Farmers are fucked by the tariffs, as is all skilled labor
>i'm fucking sick of the only unskilled work in my country being social work
So maybe acquire a skill? If you have the internet, you have access to information to better yourself

The american dream was always about personal success and the freedom to pursue it at any cost, don't blame it on the jews if now you live in a dystopia controlled by multinationals who don't give a single fuck about you and use their monopoly to brainwash the population.

>since chinks can't steal the design plans
They offer a sweetheart deal to a US company, then once that company has invested, they offer a competitor, who is now desperate because their expenses are much higher, a similar deal, except they have to hand over their IP. Once that happens, they go back to their original client and tell them they have to hand over their IP if they want their business relationship to continue. If not, they will keep doing business with the competitor, who has already lost their IP, so any incentive of keeping production domestic is long gone. Can't do shit about it because the government is working with them.

I'm not happy about that either but that's not related to the fucking tariffs

>Millennials deserve to suffer, that generation of spoiled manchildren.
Literally the exact same thing your grandpa said about your generation, and his grandpa said about his generation.
You aren't special for hating young people. Geezers will always hate young people.

You gotta understand trumpets are uneducated inbreds who's lives are devoid of anything meaningful so they gather around to worship their leader like a fucking cult because they lack the intelligence to think for themselves. It's actually sad.

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Because they're globalists, just like the Marxist ruling class.

>what is equilibrium?

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A fucking gaming console isn't a necessity. They hike up their prices, and they lose a bunch of customers.

He's probably in his mid 20's and just rps as a boomer

I'm 20.

>this thing worked when globalization was a million times smaller and more inefficient so it should work now!
truly amazing logic

People shit on you for this sentiment but I'm sure that was a large fucking chunk of his voterbase, especially with his campaign rhetoric against PC culture. Mock them with your rise up memes all you want, but the fact is a lot of previously apolitical people got pretty fucking cranky when politics started seeping into their escapism. Calling them retarded for voting for the chaos candidate doesn't stop their vote from having power.

Don’t you have a spoon license to renew?

>put tariffs up China's ass
>industry moves to Bangladesh
>raise tariffs on Bangladesh
>industry moves to Vietnam
>raise tariffs on Vietnam
>industry moves to Mexico
>rinse and repeat

Is the endgame here to make America the most economically isolated nation on Earth or do people here believe that if they raise tariffs against every single one of the 195 countries in the world the industry will somehow magically appear back in the country as if its the 1940s again? Companies will always prefer where the benefit-cost ratio is better, this is in the very nature of capitalism/liberalism.

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...

Clinton actually balanced the budget.

Sure you are, grandpa.

You are a Millennial.

Meanwhile in reality trump requested a republican ballot in every election since like 1980

Why would I?
I'm in Estonia, a country otherwise perfect if it wasn't for the Amerimutts trying to brainwash us.

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shifts when the curves move, damn, you're ignorant.

Yeah and
>it doesn't work because I say it doesn't work so there!
is so much better of an argument.

Not every country has the same capacity than China.

>made in the USA
I really don't want to pay alienware prices for consoles.

>alienware is also going to hike prices
Jesus the guy is poison to everything he touches.

We're with us retard. No one wants to crash the economy because the retard doesn't know how tariffs works.

>don't blame it on the jews
>you live in a dystopia
governed by jews
>controlled by multinationals
run by jews
>>don't blame it on the jews

farmers are "fucked" by console tariffs, are they?

>So maybe acquire a skill? If you have the internet, you have access to information to better yourself
i'm not talking about me, i'm talking about those i know and love having to take fucking shit low-paid work because every blue collar sector and the white collar jobs that are ancillary to those sectors have been outsourced

if it hurts outsourcing -- if it causes demand to drop for that which is outsourced -- it is good. eat shit.

Most companies don't like to if it can be avoided because it means people are less inclined to buy their product but they will if it becomes the only way they can potentially score a profit. With video games in particular though, it's a much easier move to make because gamers are an easily captivated audience. They know that many of their consumers consider themselves to be "fans" who will buy the product regardless so they can easily get away with it. Again, they would still prefer to not have to though because they still want as much of the casual audience buying in as possible too and a raise in prices means losing out on that audience.

The goal is to weaken China. Even if some of the industry moves back to america it's already a massive success.

dont you have a royal family to maintain with your taxes?

Hating millennials is something natural.
You are all a bunch of smug, balding, purple haired mcdonalds workers who unironically think you are going to save the world by watching superhero movies and playing videogames in their 30s.

No, according to everything i've seen i'm generation Z.

Yeah, but if the price is hiked up arbitrarily because most companies wont take a loss on a console, then you reach a point where the demand is much lower than supply

I dont get why /pol/ is so pro-Trump when he's the biggest pro-Jew president of all time.

>labor operating expenses increase
>prices rise to accommodate business margins
>consumers get priced out of the market and revenue decreases
>business has to lay off high cost employees to offset loss of profit
>even less people are now able to afford products
>job market crumbles as the problems exponentially grow

Don't you have Israel and a population of blue hairs, spics and niggers to mantain?

Jesus how are they even going to support that population? Africans are already poor as fuck.

Fucking Amerifats gets the karma.

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>You're all a bunch of smug mcdonalds workers who unironically think you are going to save the world by watching superhero movies.
Literally the exact same thing your grandpa said about your generation, and his grandpa said about his generation.
You aren't special for hating young people. Geezers will always hate young people.

>Millennials: Born 1981-1996 (22-37 years old) Post-Millennials: Born 1997-Present (0-21 years old)
You're actually a baby Millennial.

see

They're not anymore and anyone who actually visits would stop spewing this bullshit. /ptg/ is not /pol/, you're not as smart as you think you are.

>Vietnam has the power to manufacture on the scale of the Chinese

There are only so many super players and most of the places you posted couldn't compete with China.

stop acting like the US government is the only body on earth that uses tariffs

They're fucked by tariffs that China puts in place due to the trade-war started by US putting tariffs on Chinese goods, so yes, indirectly they're fucked by console tariffs.
>if it hurts outsourcing -- if it causes demand to drop for that which is outsourced -- it is good. eat shit.
Or just you and your loved ones acquire new skills and change sectors? Go where the jobs are, it's real fucking simple. I've changed jobs and industries thrice, it's the nature of any economy that's not communism

Not all rich people are jews, though. It's a "the 1% does not give the slightest of fucks about the rest of the human race" problem. And while rich jews are part of the problem, they aren't the only ones.

Then why do they keep viewing him as based? Why do I see a ton of pro Trump shit whenever I go there?

>if it hurts outsourcing -- if it causes demand to drop for that which is outsourced -- it is good. eat shit.
>waaaah, the people i know literally cant be useful without government telling everyone to hire us

stop buying chinese garbage

0.02 yuan has been added to your account

There are a thousand posts in this thread including one I made myself that show why the the tarrifs are ineffectual, you mong

youtube.com/watch?v=obRG-2jurz0

I blame our kike overlords for the most part, then again, what country don’t they have a fucking hand in.

>is because they're cheap
and they're cheap because they're

MADE
IN
CHINA

They're not going to hike the price because they secretly voted for hillary you dipshit, they're going to hike the price because they're going to need to to still break even. Espiecially a company like nintendo who sells consoles at a profit.

Again, i'm 20, and I already have a job, which is far more than you can say about the majority of millennials who still live with their parents despite being in the age where you should be having families and a stable job.
Oh wait, but having babies is white supremacism or some shit like that, right? Or having babies will increase global warming or other crap like that, right?
Whatever, the last thing we need is you educating the next generation.

>post millennials
So, Gen Z?

did you go from retail to construction

They like to pretend only we do that when 3rd world countries engage in it tenfold. China themselves actually do it and it works.

That's what he's saying, he's agreeing with you, user

Baby Millennial.
You're the even more embarrassing generation, then, congrats.

>started by US putting tariffs on Chinese goods
Does the Chinese theft of IP, technology or refusal to remove existing, unfair trade barriers to the Chinese market after 20 years of 'patience' place any guilt on the Chinese side?

You first, retard.

ah, to the workers of the world

>/ptg/ isnt /pol/ despite being a /pol/ general

lol desperate but I guess that's just what happens when you pray to a chaos god lol

PPF curves can be expanded, the more the industry moves in to a country, the more that country will invest in infrastructure to better accomodate it.

Bangladesh is the textile capital of the world even though it's an extremely small country.

so then a lot of those consoles don’t get sold and the companies wasted money manufacturing them
they can shift, but it doesn't mean the prices are jacked up to the equivalent of whatever caused the shift. they still have to be mindful of the demand curve

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No avid video gamer should ever support the Trump administration.

Yes, a thousand posts that literally all say
>they're bad because I say so

>*I* have a job, unlike all you lazy young people who still live with your parents. The last thing we need is you educating the next generation.
Literally the exact same thing your grandpa said about your generation, and his grandpa said about his generation.
You aren't special for hating young people. Geezers will always hate young people.

I have, actually.
I've been in both, though I went from Retail to Software to Construction (the company I was contracted at for software let me go, so I went looking for something else).
this shit happens pretty regularly to people I know

$700+ phones get made and sell well despite having absolutely nothing new

>Raise tariff against china
>US farmers losing money because of this
>have to borrow money from China to pay our farmers that are losing money

No, we are the same.
You know what's hilarious?
That you, in your 30s, behave the same as teenagers from mine.
You are in the age where every other generation already has a family, and what are you doing?
Playing videogames.

You are perpetual manchildren, and you will die in some Iron Man "jammies".

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>i'm 20
lol nobody cares what you think and that makes you a millennial too, moron.

Jews maintain a solidarity unique among wealthy people. It might happen with wealthy Chinese too, but that remains to be seen. Rich Chinese mostly exist in China. Rich jews exist all over the globe.

>due to the trade-war started by US putting tariffs on Chinese goods
You know you are a bald faced liar. China had an infinite amount of protectionist barriers on us, and this is all an attempt to get it down or at least economically punish China. I won't even go into IP theft. STFU you corporate shill.

No halfway intelligent person with access to the entirety of human knowledge in a tiny slab of plastic should ever support the Trump administration.

Well, corporations can keep bleeding while investing for all I care.

They are just playing the game, don't blame them for winning blame the rules for being shitty.
Problem is the moment you even suggest regulating these pigs will jump and cry about "MUH COMMIES" the same way SJWs cry about nazis the moment you say a single bad thing about nignogs.

nigga thinks he's special for paying rent/mortgage to jews

>No, we are the same.
So you're now saying you're a Millennial, gotcha. I agree, you're a little baby Millennial.

Yes, except now it's the younger generation laughing at you.
Imagine being that pathetic.

>nobody cares what you think
But a lot of people care about what millennial autismos who can't even get laid do, right?
Oh wait, the only people who care are those you buy stuff from, which would be Disney and videogame companies, since you share hobbies with 10 year olds.

Well I'm glad you agree

So thet quadruple. China has the land, the resources, the workforce, the right kind of government, etc. China didn't just magically obtain NINETY SIX PERCENT of these corporations production. There were a myriad of factors at play that created the gargantuan nightmare that is modern China. A bunch of spear checkers hanging out in caves and shit hits who kill each other in constant civil wars is not the same as fucking China.

>>I have, actually.
>working in software on a contract instead of being a full-time employee

Literal dumbass move.

If Jews rule the world doesnt that make them the true master race? Get dunked on /pol/.

This. Any time someone tries to improve the quality of life in America conservatards scream SOCIALISM SOCIALISM NO THAT'S COMMUNISM!!!!
Socialism is not everything you don't agree with.

What are you on about?

>But a lot of people care about what millennial autismos who can't even get laid do
No, that's who you are, brainlet.

No, i'm saying that you behave like teenagers in your 30s.
In fact, you specifically regressed to your emo phase, except black hair and eyeliner, you wear purple hair and sidecuts. If you still have hair, that is, for some reason millennials are aging so badly that most of them were already bald in their late 20s.
Probably due to spending an entire decade sitting in front of a computer saving the world with powerful statements delivered in Twitter.

>electionfag doesn't know how the meanwhile-meme works
not even surprised.

China shouldn't have started the trade war then. They have so many protectionist barriers on us along with rampant IP theft, that we had to engage. You should support America if you hate protectionism so much. There is no one more protectionist than China.

And the CORPORATE (read: 90+% of farms are corporate) farmers who live by cheap illegal labor will have to do without. Maybe we should even cut their subsidies off.

where do you stand on tariffs on chinkshit?

Don't rich Hong Kong and Taiwan Chinese loathe the rich Mainlander Chinese?

I already have my console for the next few years and if vidya prices go up I'll just buy digitally

not you though you get all your thinking from russian shills on /pol/ :)

>Imagine being that pathetic.
That's not pathetic. All young people are lazy and stupid, clearly. They can hate me all they want.

>No, i'm saying that you behave like teenagers in your 30s.
You type like a child, typical of a baby millennial.

I agree there would be a change, just more than nothing and less than the haphazard extent some anons seem to believe

I lost my virginity when I was 14, fool.
Meanwhile look around here, everyone complaining about how hard it is to get laid, it's pathetic.

You claim to know what's best for the world when you can't do basic adult shit like getting a partner.

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Sure, but why should farmers care for the outcome of citizens in those industries if they pushed the government to aid them at the cost of the farmers? At this point, industries within the US are fighting each other for survival so it really doesn't matter to any of them whether China is doing shit, it just matters whether they get to stay alive.

>the US treats farmers like shit so I guess well just have to suck Chinas dick for eternity

Fuck off.

Honestly, I'm not very educated on this tariff stuff, so I'm not gonna pretend to have an opinion on it. I just love Yea Forums shitflinging in politics threads.

>they'd start making insane returns in years
That requires long term planning that corporations don't have

What a proud generation you're a part of

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China's demographics will soon implode. China may lose HALF a billion people by 2100 with nearly HALF of their population at that point being over 65. China wanted immediate, economic advancement and will pay a long term price for that.

Why should farmers care about IP theft or trade barriers if the steel and aluminum workers don't care about farmers? Are you an idiot? Workers only ever care about themselves, if they get to keep their job, they don't care about what other industries suffer even in their own country

mom doesn't count

Yeah, real adults say "yikes", "oof", "bois" and "cope" in every single sentence, right, millennial?

/pol/ is full of millennial losers, they are irrelevant.
Like all millennials, a bunch of spoiled manchildren who deserve to be drafted.

15 year old, his mother was probably 40 years old, a millennial, so her death is something good.