Deus Ex is not an RPG according to Yea Forums

but you can do anything you want?

JC is pretty much a blank slate for the player to with what they want. And whatever we do know about the character is kinda vague anyway.

>it's not an RPG because it doesn't have muh self insert character

you literally play the role of jc denton

have sex, nigger incel

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Is Planescape not an RPG because you're forced to play as The Nameless One?

It's definitely an RPG, for better or worse.

It's like mass effect sweety xD xD

fuck this weak bait thread, here's some actual bait

Merging with Daedalus is the only reasonable ending

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It's literally not. New Vegas is a proper rpg. Garbage like dude sex and memescape are not.

>not an RPG
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

The term roleplaying game is so unarbitrary and broad that you could argue most games are rpgs.

>it's not a roleplaying game if i don't get to pick the role
okay retard

Calling Deus Ex an rpg is like calling Gone Home an fps. Dumb faggot zoomer.

i think you're having a problem with understanding vidya genres and argumentation but that's okay, user

>baldurs gate is no an rpg because youre always bhaalspawn
>fallout is not an rog because youre always the vault dweller

It doesn't even make sense. Shouldn't all sims be immersive? If not, why even play it?

Also what is it simulating? Walking? Conversing? Swinging a crowbar? You can't call a game a sim if it doesn't have a primary focus. Every fucking game is a sim without a classifier attached.

Correct

Is Dishonored a RPG?
Is System Shock 1,2?
Is Bioshock (all three)?

FPSRPG which is commonly referred to as immersive sim.

it's an old term coined by warren spector to describe games like system shock 2, thief and deus ex. immersive = first person and simulation = """""emergent gameplay"""""

No it's an RPG in the FPP.

>forced to play as the bhaalspawn
>forced to play as the nameless one
>forced to play as the vaulet dweller
>forced to play as gothic

>Forced to play as the courier
>RPG
no

people who don't think it's an rpg are the same ones who get mad that your ability to use a gun effectively is tied to your skill with the gun

None of those are proper rpgs, zoomer.

The only true roleplaying games are written yourself, because otherwise you are roleplaying as a character forced upon you by someone else, and therefore not actually roleplaying. Deus Ex is only a roleplaying game if you were the writer of JC Denton.

But you have to play as a courier.
Every single action in the game is hinged on you having been a faggot beta delivery boy, no quest in the game let's you escape that role

Zelda is an RPG because you're not forced to play as Zelda.

the only rpg is age of decadence, everything else isn't an rpg

Don't care desu. All I know is it's a fantastic game that deserves annual playthroughs.

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>have to pick from a small set of backgrounds
You have to play as a highly specific character. That isn't a roleplaying game.

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But it forces you to play amateurish Torque engine jank.

name immersive sim that isnt an rpg

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thief

Dark Messiah

system shock

Thiaf

Define immersive sim. Everyone gives wildly different definitions.

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It is though, the character role isn't defined by the game, it's defined by you.
JC Denton is already his own thing, having his own traits before you are able to create him.

The Witcher games

Dishonored

alright niglet grace us with what you think an rpg game is

Not that user but I'm playing Underrail right now so that one.

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>isn't defined by the game
>you can only choose a few backgrounds
That is defined by the game. It isn't an RPG.

Nope, they're presets.
JC Denton is one preset.
Bioware even did this right with Dragon Age Origins.
You can be a Cousland, Amell, Tabris, etc.
And then from there you can go even further from how you engage combat, how you look, where you're from, etc.

Any tabletop RPG. Videogames are trash.
Also New Vegas comes close.

If I can't be whatever the fuck I want then it's not an rpg. How hard is it for you to understand this, fucking retarded zoomer.

You are still ultimately limited by the design. At what point does it magically go from being an RPG to not being an RPG? 5 choices? 6 choices? Deus Ex has thousands of starting backgrounds depending on your character's rich prior life experiences, such as if he used pistols, or if he used multitools, or if he was black. How are these not significant, yet your given cases are?

>you can use different weapons and chose the color of your skin therefore it's an rpg
GTA Online is also an RPG then.

>tfw forced to be JC Denton in Deus Ex
>tfw forced to be Revan in kotor 1
>tfw forced to be Exile in kotor 2
>tfw forced to be nameless one in Planescape Torment
>tfw forced to be Henry in Kingdom Come Deliverance
>tfw forced to be Vault Dweller in Fallout
>tfw forced to be Chosen One in Fallout 2
>tfw forced to be the courier who got shot in the head outside goodsprings in NV
>tfw forced to be prisoner born on a certain day to uncertain parents in Morrowind
When are we going to get REAL rpgs?

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It’s whatever genre VtmB is. Which is a great genre

Sure, why not? If you are defining an RPG as being able to pre-design a character, and you can pre-design a character, then yes.

play city of heroes

>calling me a zoomer just because I have conflicting opinion
Nice one , newfaggot.

Yes, video games have emulated their designs from tabletop which can never be completely transferred into that platform (some features though can).
I have no qualms of the liberal use of the term RPG but utilizing RPG elements into your game does not necessarily make it an RPG per se.

You're conflating story role-locked characters with pre-defined traits.

>Deus Ex is an rpg

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Most tabletop games aren't RPGs either. D&D for example is definitely not an RPG, because you are forced into specific races and classes, which limits your character background.

Because you're conflating the entirety of games with characters as an RPG.
While yes it's true that they incorporate RPG elements, it doesn't meant they are one.

user, you're conflating chargen into presets as if they're the same thing.

No, it's an RPG with FPS elements. Your build affects the efficacy of shooting, just like in the Fallout games.

>chargen
>choose from a limited number of qualities as defined by the game
>preset
>choose from a limited number of qualities as defined by the game
In most cases, they are virtually the same thing. Usually, chargen is just preset but with a few more choices. I don't see at which point one magically transitions into an RPG and the other doesn't.

Deus Ex is a Deus Ex game

>can't play as generic self made user
>therefore its not an rpg
kill yourself like Etika dumb nigger

To be fair it would be one variation of difference from the
"classic" rpg. So story driven action RPG?

He's right you know?

Deus Ex is a stealth videogame

You are autistic and dumb as fuck. The meaning of the word changed

Its called MMORPGS like WoW or Runescape

Not exactly.
One is the umbrella variety of vehicles for custom narrative and gameplay (classes, races, whatever you rolled, etc.), the other is a pre-defined assignment which may incorporate some customization but you are locked into its umbrella.
The two can mix but are independent of one another.

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>ROLE PLAYING GAME
>you play a role of JC Denton
Whats the problem?

It has the annoying forced quest of siding with your brother's rebellion, loads of blonde women who lust after black men (yes it actually has that in the game,) and all the evil people are White Gentile, but otherwise is a quality action adventure with some limited detective work to do.

In one game, you play as John who shoots people. You can only choose his skills, otherwise he is predefined. You have full control over what he does throughout the game.

In another game, you can produce a character. You choose their gender, their background, their skills, their appearance. After five minutes of gameplay, your character has their brain surgically removed and implanted into John. The game plays the same as the previous from then on.

Does this mean the first game is not an RPG, since you are pre-defined, but the second game is, since you decided on your character's background?

Hehe.

This is a terrible argument because you could say spiderman games are rpgs because you're playing as spiderman. Or mariokart is an rpg because you're playing as DK

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Ofc it's an rpg why do you even bother replying to the nigger faggots and zoomers saying it's not? Retarded people deserve to be ignored, that's why I'm out of this thread now (any following replies, even if stating otherwise, won't be me).

Deus ex is one of the best RPGs ever made and anyone saying otherwise is a retarded faggot.

Wrong. They are both just a number of choices, and in both cases they can hold significant change in the way the game plays out. You are equally locked in. Being able to choose only skills does not necessarily mean it is less of an RPG, it depends on what those skills entail. Being able to choose to customize your character and select a shapeshifting saiyan magical girl that had died fifty times in a past life doesn't make it anymore of an RPG over a game where you play as JC Denton, if in the former the fact that you are a shapeshifting saiyan magical girl does very little to influence how your role plays versus the other possible background choices. Background is ultimately a meaningless thing people focus on for RPGs, when in reality the point of importance is how much decision you have over what you do in your role and the ability to enact a variety of change and decisions that influence how your character plays from then on.

That's not what he meant though, it's not an rpg because you play jc Denton, it's rpg regardless of this fact.
Question is, are you strawmanning on purpose or legit borderline retarded?

It's an immersive sim.
>noooo it's a made up genre
Just like every other fucking genre, it's not like they're properly defined.

But we all know you're posting this just because you want to use Deus Ex not having some things as a justification for Cyberpunk 2077 to not have them, when they're supposed to be completely different games.
Faggot OP.
End yourself.

Why do zoomers always get so angry when I tell them that Deus Ex is not an RPG? It's just a shooter with simple rpg elements, same as Far Cry.

Fuck off self insertfag

>immersive sim.
So Deus Ex and Dishonored belong in the same genre then? Fucking retard.

Define immersive sim.

It's more of an rpg than jrpgs, that's for sure

>are you strawmanning
>the same thing posted every thread for over a year
Yeah it's me who's shitposting, you got me

yes

"RPG" doesn't mean anything

What was the best ending?
Illuminati, Helios or Dark age?

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Illuminati. At least JC can still do some good things. Helios is a manipulative ia, and the dark age ending is just total chaos.

Illuminati ending is the most kino because it mirrors the intro

>Helios is a manipulative ia
how is helios manipulative? how can you list this as a negative when the illuminati is literally manipulating everything from the shadows?

RPG as in Role Playing Game initially meant literally games where you roleplay - roleplaying being improv acting, as you would do in D&D or many other traditional games. The term has then taken on various meanings as games evolved that were inspired by D&D - Roleplaying means you have to be able to make a character (Some RPGs and even D&D campaigns feature totally fixed characters that you have to roleplay) levelling up, turn based combat, statistics, or other things that were in the game portion of D&D that had nothing to do with the roleplaying. RPG as it stands today is essentially meaningless and has no real definition aside from what you want it to mean in your own head

Dark Age, anyone who disagrees is a globohomo.

the merge is unsuccessful, its the worst ending and the collapse happens anyway

you didn't answer either question.

>build
just call them stats. fucking hate this retard term that has sneaked into rpg vocabulary. same level of retardness as "toon"

build is more than stats, its the path you go down as you level up, the way you build your character, as each choice depends on the last

yes a faggot ass term for meta gamers and minmaxers. the archetypical hypercompetitive zoomers.

If you want to be rich, join the Illuminati. If you want to be enlightened, merge with Helios. If you don't want a master, trigger the new dark age. If you enjoyed partying with the Aussie chicks in the Triad bar, probably join the Illuminati.

Fun thinks to do with the game:

Step 1: Crank the difficulty up to realistic. This will encourage you to be more thoughtful in your approach and use tactics over brute force. If you still want to use brute force on realistic, master rifles and get the Ballistic Protection augmentation. Get it up to level 4.

Speed Run/High Jump is vastly more useful than Run Silent (which you need to have at level 4 to actually be silent, why the fuck they did that is beyond me, it should have been a one and done augmentation to make it compete with the 2 in 1 Speed Run/High Jump (also bump this one up to level 4 for fast traveling and evading attacks/going berserk but it is extremely useful from the moment you get it.)

If you love fighting, master rifles and keep the sniper rifle, combat shotgun and use the High Explosive rounds in the assault rifle.

Set traps with gas grenades, then shoot the distracted victims in the head. Set trap with LAM's and blow your victims to pieces.

Dragon's Tooth Sword with speed run high jump is fucking brutal for strike and evade attacks. It makes me wish I'd done a pure Low Tech playthrough. (I have a deep love of long range shooting plus gas/lam traps so I usually take rifles to level 3 and get the rest of the shooting skills at least to level 2. The one that lets you use Termoptic Camouflage I take to level 4.)

Most skills won't be useful except in rare situations. Swimming doesn't need to be higher than level 2 and Environmental Resistance is very rarely used plus there are workarounds all over Deus Ex 1, which was one of its best qualities.

You will be fighting with and against bullet firing weapons for most of the game.

yeah just pick random options and dont try to win the game like a retard, theres nothing wrong with being competitive

Ok you answered my question you are just retarded. Also you should learn what strawmanning means

Is it changing the definitions of words to win arguments on the internet?