So how was Jecth a blitzball star in Zanarkand but also helped Braska defeat Sin if Tidus had to time travel?

Isn't being sucked up into Sin's butthole how Jecht transported Tidus forward into time?

So Zanarkand was so epic they created a version in the middle of the ocean to be remembered by ghosts forever?

Isn't he presumed missing at the beginning of the game? Tidus doesnt know where his dad is and acts all surprised when Auron shows up.

Pretty much. Zanarkand and Bevelle were at war 1,000 years ago. Bevelle had machina, Zanarkand had summoners. Zanarkand won due to Yu Yevon, but destroyed itself in the process and unleashed Sin on the world. The Fayth, people that had willingly become Aeons, felt bad about it and spent the next thousand years reminiscing about the good old days before the war when the only thing anyone worried about was who was gonna win the Blitz tournament.

that's literally the story of FFX dumbshit. did you even play the game?

that's kind of retarded

>retarded
>FF game

Uh yeah summerfag that goes without saying. Every FF game has a retarded story

so its a common misconception
but time travel does not take place at all in this game

No, it's fucking amazing.

Imagine if you built a society so amazing and glorious that it imploded, but the god-beings you created there literally will it back into being at a perpetual testament to the beauty and power of your nation.

That, in and of itself, is legendary.

>summerfag
nigga im 24

I've always wondered, if Bevelle was the more technologically advanced of the two, does that mean that Tidus' high-tech looking Zanarkand wasn't what the real Zanarkand was like?

>it was all a dream

I think you're reading too far into Zanarkand's appearance: That magi-tech look isn't quite the same as how the Machina, especially the combat machina look.

Either that or Bevelle was even more high-tech.

Bevelle probably had much more advanced weaponry. Something like Vegnagun was way beyond anything we saw from Tidus' Zanarkand. The difference in machina between what you could get in Zanarkand versus what you could get in Bevelle would go a way to explaining why the machina ban in modern Spira is so inconsistent- it was a ban on Bevelle machina specifically, but as the generations wore on, no one was sure what the difference was anymore beyond the Blitzball stuff and spheres probably being okay.

The real question is why the fuck aren't rikkus eyes heterochronatic in the beginning of the game

Yuna only has heterochromia because she's half Al Bhed. Rikku is full-blooded, so she has green spiral eyes.

Oh, that's cool thanks user, I feel bad rikkus portrait is fucked though

Jack propably timetraveled aswell

Reading discussions about FFX online makes me feel at least 70% of those who played the game didn't understand shit about the story.

then explain it big guy

almost every cutscene involves the characters discussing sin/jecht/zanarkand I don't know how people miss the message

tidus went back in time to kill sin who is in fact was his dad all along and then he kys'd himselff

Don't be salty just because no one would ever remember you.

>t. Spoony

Does time travel ruin everything it touches

If your plot takes place over time, it cannot take place over space.

Successful time travel plots have tight and constrained areas: The larger the area, the weaker time should influence the plot

So, how much was your mind blown when you read 10 years after you have finished the game that Tidus' Zanarkand actually existed in Spira and there was no time travel?

Didn't time travel bro. He basically went into the dream of the world. Shit is dumb I know.

Zero because when the game came out I was too young to understand 90% of it

they're as real as any aeon
the real question is, how is TEE-DUS alive in that bonus audio story

Goddamn bro, too Savage. Chill.

>zoomers will never realize how fucking huge this game was when it came out

It's TIE-DUS fag boy.fuck Kingdom Hearts localization

tidus and jecht and Auron were a "dream" persay, they were created by the spirits magic shit. they werent actually real.

I agree, I was just saying it like that because it's stupid and that makes it kind of funny

Auron was real, he just died and was able to enter dream Zanarkand as an unsent

oh then that then.

>Isn't being sucked up into Sin's butthole how Jecht transported Tidus forward into time?
Nobody was transported forward in time you giant retard. Play the damn game.

Reminder that Yuna's dad went to defeat sin with Jecht and Auron because he thought it would be ironic.

but officially it is tee-dus, and no amount of autistic screeching will change that, just like Aerith

>went back in time
lolwut.

I literally just beat it and there's no way I'm playing that shit again

this post is what mental retardation looks like kids

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Not according to Tidus' voice actor.
youtube.com/watch?v=FyV5UrwROvU
Skip to 3:44, apparently "tee-dus" was just an american narrator that said it wrong and it stuck.

Actually it just confirms what I said. Tee-dus is the official pronounciation.

I mean, yes technically, but only via mistake.

Doesn't matter why.

Then you should not play games like this because it's too much for your brain. Play Fortnite

Kimahri needs to use Lancet to learn enemy skills.

>Listen to the bonus audio
>25 minutes of "ok, not sure why this is happening but whatever also LULU HAS BIG TITS BTW"
>5 mintues of "HOLY SHIT SIN IS BACK BY THE WAY TEEDUS I DON'T LOVE YOU ANYMORE"

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Is that the blitzball bomb blows Tidus' head off FFX-3 audio drama, that legend has it that the writer sent a fan fiction by mistake and they just rolled with it anyway?

then explain final fantasy x, after having played it once, thoroughly without misrepresenting or misunderstanding anything :^)
oh wait you can't even explain it all right now

see

Something that confused me is that Jecht disappeared 10 years ago to the story when Tidus was a kid, supposedly he went out to sea for blitzball practice one day and never returned. In truth this was Jecht ending up in Spira where he does his whole guardian thing and gives his life for Braska.

However in the game Tidus says that he knew the song of the Fayth because he had heard his father sometimes to sing it before when he got drunk and thought he was alone. The way this is said, this is the only place Tidus had heard it from before so it's not like a song that exists in Zanarkand-past, it's strictly a song Jecht knows and perhaps is him reminiscing about his experience in Spira when he heard it.

Thing is though if I'm not mistaken, when Jecht vanished and went to Spira, he didn't return. Not until he attacked as Sin. So when and how was he singing the fayth song for Tidus to hear in the past? It couldn't have been before he vanished to Spira because he wouldn't have heard/known the fayth song yet, but he also never returns from Spira (until as Sin) so there wouldn't have been a chance for Tidus to hear him singing it after Jecht had heard/known the song.

I'm so confused.

When I first played it as a teenager I at least understood that it was not a time jump because the Zanarkand they are from is a dream world and not the actual past

It's a dream of the actual past though you fucking brainlet mongoloid retard

The fayth live among them dumbass, remember bahamut showing up literally at the beginning of the game?

LITERALLY NOBODY HERE UNDERSTANDS FFX

DREAM ZANARKAND IS OUT IN THE OCEAN

JECHT PLAYED BLITZ BALL ONE DAY FAR OUT IN THE OCEAN AND ENDED UP IN SPIRA.

DREAM ZANARKAND EXISTS AT SAME TIME AS REGULAR SPIRA

DREAM ZANARKAND WAS ZANARKANDS LAST ATTEMPT AT KEEPING ITSELF ALIVE BECAUSE OF BEVELLE

ZANARKAND WAS ACTUALLY DESTROYED BY SIN, WHO WAS THE ULTIMATE DEFENDER OF ZANARKAND

That's a misconception. There is no time travel in FFX, Tidus is an aeon by definition, a dream of the fayth. His memories of Zanarkand aren't the real Zanarkand they are of the "dream" Zanarkand. Yu Yevon is the summoner, summoning the dream of the fayth at Mt. Gagazet. The resulting aeon is Dream Zanarkand, Tidus' city. By extension then, Tidus is an aeon as well.
>it was all a dream

It's not the actual past, X-2 just further confirms that

It could've been a song among Zanarkand's summoners, or directly from Fayth of the era (like Bahamut fucking around freely in Zanarkand). Could've been blitzball-related for that matter, like a team song or the Zanarkand anthem or something, since Tidus notes a Yevonite greeting was just a good-luck sign for the crowd during blitzball games back home.

Breh... Sin hates technology. Because Yu-Yevon does. Zanarkand became technologically advanced so Sin ripped that shit apart.

Then he would have said "It was a song from Zanarkand" like he says so about other similar things between Zanarkand and Spira, like you said about the blitz greeting/Yevon blessing.

He doesn't though, he doesn't note hearing it anywhere else other than catching an eavesdrop secretly when his dad got drunk. Not hearing it from the fayth ghosts among them, or hearing it as some common enough song in Zanarkand. No, hearing it when Jecht thought he was alone and getting drunk.

If you say that the fayth ghost(s) specifically, only sang the song for literally only Jecht to hear in secret and he just repeated it, never for anyone else including Tidus, that's about the only way I can imagine you may be able to explain it but if so you can't tell me that's not extremely contrived.

IT'S THE HYMM OF THE FAYTH

ALL ZANARKANDS PEOPLE KNOW THAT SONG BECAUSE THEY ARE DREAMS OF THE FAYTH

FUCKING RETARDS//

I'm not sure there was supposed to be any deeper meaning to it than "I heard dad sing it some times" for the player to infer it was a thing for old Zanarkand

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There's no reason his dad couldn't have heard it in Dream Zanarkand somewhere, but it wasn't that well known like the blitzball good-luck sign, dumbass.
We already have established that Yevon related stuff are already present in Dream Zanarkad one way or another due to the Fayth.

This, the only purpose of that scene was to show that Spira is not entirely foreign to his Zanarkand, and there is some kind of connection.

Unless Tidus is an absolute retard, that can't be true because he doesn't recognize hearing it until a later time. If it was a common song that everyone knew, like the blitzball victory gesture (which Tidus recognizes immediately as the Yevon blessing), then the moment he heard it he'd be like "Oh yeah, that song!" but he doesn't it takes him some time to recall hearing it vaguely in some long passed memories.

That's fair enough, can't argue with writers' goals.

>Assumptions: the post

So what you're saying is that there's a secret gay dive bar where a male fayth ghost is the stripper/singer, and Jecht used to frequent there for some hands on blitzballs practice, but simply Tidus and most upstanding citizens never knew of the place nor went there, hence why literally no one else anywhere seems to know the song except specifically only Jecht.

Despite the fact that Tidus seems to have the Bahamut fayth ghost always hanging around him his entire Zanarkand life, said ghost never once singing it.

no, not via mistake. The original japanese is Tidasu.

For all we know, yes. It literally doesn't matter where exactly in Dream Zanarkand he learned it, we know that it could very well exist there. I can't understand why you are so fixated on it.

>Tidus (Japanese: ティーダ Hepburn: Tīda)

Not even close.

>unless Tidus is an absolute retard
>unless

>The FFX universe is now absurd enough so that Tidus fucking Lulu despite her having a child with his best friend seems reasonable
Just fucking do it already

Still has a soft "i" sound regardless.

It does matter if instead of your assumption, it is in fact a plot hole.

It has already explained that it isn't a plot hole though, so idk what you are still going on about.

Your baseless assumption explains it as not being a plothole.

Lulu fucking her dead husband's brother was already absurd enough in itself lmoa

It being a plothole is also an assumption on your part, but a less plausible one than my assumption.

70% seems optimistic. I only just got here so I don't even know what to reply to.

Oh, and it's not even baseless, the base has been explained alread too.

>time travel

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Well I find yours to be less plausible, and instead prefer the explanation that it's writer convenience, despite being a plot hole.

>people STILL don't understand FFX
though to be fair this is a world where
>being killed literally doesn't matter if you don't feel like dying
>being real really doesn't matter either as long as you don't wake up whatever's dreaming you
>and that doesn't matter either since they seem to be able to arbitrarily re-dream you anyway even though they're already gone and ?????
okay you know fucking what, i don't understand FFX

FFX would have had a better plot if Tidus legit just went back in time and wasn't just some gods living Glory days. The whole twist near the end was confusing garbage. The characters are all cool and the plots interesting enough without this incredibly strange and senseless revelation.

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Pretty much correct. The important thing that fucks people up is that the term "dream" has a double meaning in how it's used. Dream Zanarkand refers to it being based on the ideal representation of Zanarkand.
The reason he remembers it is because his dad sung it, but that doesn't mean he created the song, of course Tidus would remember it in a way that relates to him.

Except it's not even a plot hole.

I have a feeling the game's climax originally involved going back to dream zanarkand in some way
As it is dream zanarkand actually existing in the present is wholly irrelevant to the plot
Kinda weird how they managed to make a story that would have been more coherent with time travel instead

I think the final scene would have had issues then, if the entire city along with Tidus disappears, and the party just drowns in the ocean, unless they make it so that somehow they land on a boat or something. They probably decided it wasn't worth trying to work around it.

He thought he went forward in time, not backwards. One of the main themes of the game is learning to let go of the past and those being too attached to it. It's not very difficult to understand if you listen carefully but it is extremely important to the entire game.
Getting rid of it would destroy most of the game's setup and it would need significant rewrites.

Was Seymour in the wrong? Being dead is fucking awesome in FFX

>The whole twist near the end was confusing garbage
None of it was confusing whatsoever, you got brain problems?

That's one thing I never really understood about FFX, how being dead doesn't really mean shit if you don't really want to die. No apparent downsides either, aside from "it's just bad, ok??". Why not everyone stay as unsent and party till eternity?

This, probably. A dream of another time, but not another time truly. But I'm dying laughing at the rest of the spergs regardless.

>They didn't 'time travel'. Tidus and Jecht aren't, and never were real people- and Zanarkand is in its own timeline parallel to the rest of Spira.
It's literally a ghost island floating around Spira, and guarded by Sin - wherever Sin is, Ghost Zanarkand is probably not far behind. It's not a parallel timeline, it's an actual physical location maintained by the Fayth, and if you try to go there Sin will fucking murder you.

I don't think you'd need to rewrite very much to make the plot work without dream zanarkand
>the city shown in the beginning is OG zanarkand
>the cataclysm at the beginning is Yu Yevon sacrificing everyone to become fayth and summon the first Sin
>Tidus gets thrown to the future through magical fuckery
>Remove Auron being there entirely because it no longer makes sense, also he really now has no reason to be dead so we can strike that dumb twist too
There we go, no confusing dream subplots, all we need now is an explanation for Jecht also going to the future and the plot is slightly more understandable

>Remove Auron
The fuck did you just say?

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Who is speaking during that part? I never ever got that bit. It's like one of those sitcoms where the guy has an older different voice narrate shit right? Still lots even if so

From what i remember unsent usually turn into fiends.

Some Zanarkand sports caster or radio host.

Oh, right. Easy to forget it when you have guys running around staying in that state for decades without turning into one.

It's all Pyreflies, user. They're psychic thingamabobs that respond to thoughts. Unsent aren't dead people, they're clones made out of Pyreflies that respond to the thoughts of the dying. The Wall of the Fayth is constantly shaping a huge mass of Pyreflies into the form of Zanarkand and their people. Once that shaping ends, the Pyreflies just sort of wander off.

And Tidus coming back...well. Is it really the same Tidus, or just a bunch of Pyreflies that formed from the desire to see him again?

Then a huge chunk of the game's theming is cut out, Tidus has no person to relate to since you moved Auron, you removed the original war between Bevelle and Zanarkand and why Yevon developed as a religion, and so much more that I can't even think of right now. If you're so confused at the "dream" aspect and Auron being unsent then you can't really speak confidently of sweeping rewrites.

Officially, I think tee-dus is cannon. That said, I'm right there with you. Being Teedus would make him too faggoty for me to empathize with.

>Unsent aren't dead people, they're clones made out of Pyreflies that respond to the thoughts of the dying.
Not really. They are dead people, the pyreflies only help them form a body. Their spirit/souls remain here as they are not yet sent to the Farplane so they are pretty much entirely real people with pyreflies formed bodies.

Jecht was just too cool to return to the fayths' dream. He turned into a whale and was like "brooooooooo let's have some brewwwwwws". Then proceeded to destroy half the world looking for his drinking buddy.

>Implying there's anything in the Farplane but pyreflies
Do you really think the brainwashed religionfags that populate Spira know jack shit about anything? If there were really souls in the Farplane, why do the bodies formed in there just stand there doing nothing?

>Time travel

Stop being retarded and pay attention to the plot

Tidus is the dream of the aeons

The farplane is for people who have accepted death remember Tidus's mom showing up there too and Auron refusing to enter?

Tee-dus is "canon" because as the video another user posted explains, they grabbed a local translator at the last moment to do a dub for a big reveal trailer. Since his Japanese name is pronounced Tee-da, and he most likely wanted to not fuck up but make it look like he did something, he translated it as Tidus but pronounced Tee-dus. But the Japanese name from what I heard is specifically a word meaning sun, which is meant to refer to his attitude or something. Tee-dus doesn't mean anything to us, but Tide-us on the other hand has big meaning and connections to both the character and game's setting. Also KH2 used Tide-us.

Auron is the bridge between Zanarkand and Spira, one of the themes of the game is sacrifice and facing your mortality, taking hard choices, what does summoning have to do with time travel anyways? The revolving force is summoning and accepting mortality.
The plot is not confusing, the only reason you could possibly be confused is if you are not very bright or you just simply don't play attention.
The game should not be robbed of all it's originality and themes because some people won't get it.
It's never okay to gear things to the common denominator.

Should I play x or x hd

I want you to think about what you just posted, and why it proves that there's nothing in the Farplane.

Here's a hint: Tidus isn't fucking real and neither is his mother.

Pyreflies are one thing the game leaves a bit open, but him high fiving Jecht at the end kind of shows their dead spirits remain in some form, maybe as the pyreflies themselves. The Farplane seems mostly sealed off somehow, except for when Jyscal comes out.

The deepest lore.

Fuck.

Fucking dream and time travel (FFVIII) mang.

>Tidus is not real
He is very real. Being summoned as an Aeon you're still functionally identical to any living thing. He was also summoned with the main purpose of being human, like everyone else in Dream Zanarkand.

I never played X-2, what ever happened with Titus? Do he and Yuna reunite?

He kicked a landmine and died (again)

If you can emulate it well then play X International, otherwise get X HD, as long as it's the PS4 or whatever versions still have an option for original soundtrack.

There are different endings.
The one that makes the most sense is Yuna doing a monologue about how she's over Tidus.
The """""good""""" ending is the Aeons agreeing to start dreaming again for the sole purpose of her getting Tidus back (wut).

>Fayth bring Tidus back
>He proceeds to fuck Lulu & Rikku