ITT: Games that only zoomers enjoy

>>what is level design
>>what is enemy design
>>what is encounter design
Something Quake lacks

hahahahahaha bro Quake was a tech demo and anyone old enough to remember would tell how shit the level design is you fucking deflecting zoomer faggot

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It's brainlets like you who this kind of indie meme games are made for, just retards who never understood what made the classics great and think it's all about "muh retro" looks. Just as sad as the average indie pixel retro hipster actually believing their games are anywhere as good as the classics.

Wow youre so mature for your age! Parroting the opinions of others about games youve savescummed through once, born in the wrong generation indeed.
Bloods enemy/encounter design is a mess with a near random difficulty curve and only 2 threatening enemy types in the whole game because of instant response times when you enter their line of sight and hitscanning guns, along with constant ambushes that can still be easily destroyed by simple peek and kill strategies or throwing dynamite. Its a miracle the game ended up being so fun to play because it has so many exploits, but well designed it was not.

Because he's a retarded boomer with nostalgia googles that's why.

Are you going to respond to the user that made you look like a retard that has never played Quake in his entire life ?

It does a much better job than Dusk regardless in which enemies are so badly designed they feel like they barely had any AI at all. Cultists are iconic as hell, Dusk enemies are just low poly trash mobs scattered around the map without any thought unlike games like Blood which have very well thought enemy placement and require you go do anything more then just charge front guns blazing like a retard.

I liked it but didn't finish it.

>>what is level design
>>what is enemy design
Quake's answer to both of these is "make it brown and add random red pixels"

Literally everything written there is just wrong. Quake 2 was a much worse game than Quake 1, and Half Life was a fucking movie-game before movie-games became a thing. Its linear cinematic garbage that single-highhandedly destroyed single player FPS games.

how about a game anyone can enjoy?

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Can't imagine having such wretched taste without it being posturing.

hahahahahaa oh god are you 20? All these parroting opinions is hilarious. Keep on keeping on.

>Buying games that cash on nostalgia
>Call others nostalgia retards
Retro hipster posers at it again.

Not an argument retard

>Defending Quake 2 and Half-Life
kys retards

>hating half life

Half-Life revolutionized FPS AI deign, level design and story design. You're a fucking retard who's pretending to be a boomer. Kill yourself.

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I want to buy a fun fps i can replay for hours this steam sale what do i buy? I already have Rtcw and fear

Keep seething hipster. Classic games like Quake shaped an era while retro shit just leeches from it.

Never heard of that game once but as a "zoomer" I suppose only people in my age range have only heard and played this game (pic related). Because OP, a cock hungry faggot said so. And If he said it must be true.

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Yeah old Ford cars shaped cars today so go drive one of those metal deathtrap with no seatbelts

The fuck how are Blood enemies any "smarter" than an enemy like Wendigo? The cultists constantly fucking kill themselves by throwing dynamite at nothing, when they're not just walking and stopping to shoot at you like any projectile based enemy in Blood. And wow you figured out how to throw dynamite around corners, that's some massive brain strategy you've figured out certainly a tactical genius compared to those brainless run n gunners

Is being 20 an insult?
Also what generation does someone born in 1996 belong to? Conflicting Shit online.

>tfw made this thread so that boomers would get shit on
All according to my plan. God I love being a zoomer.

I like /boomercore/ games as much as the next guy, but Dusk is pretty fucking good.

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This board is nothing but valve fanboys

This and Amid Evil were both such fantastic games. Really great to see actual level design in modern games.

Looking forward to the remake

Better an actual Ford than some cheap ass knockoff made by literal nobodies or even better, a modern car that actually meets modern standards instead of being stuck in the past for the sake of nostalgia.

You're retarded that's what you are. But I commend you on getting all these (you)'s.

Bravo!.

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Doom > Blood > Duke Nukem > Shadow Warrior > Heretic

*Duke Nukem > Blood > Doom > Shadow Warrior > Heretic

is this boomer core? huh? huh? huh? user? is it? well? answer me!

amid evil, dusk if you want to speedrun it a lot for whatever reason, desync, or e.y.e and stalker for something that has some rpg elements

Yeah.

It's Gen X core

amid evil cant be pirated without torrents

Anything you like= zoomer, cringe
Anything I like= Based as fuck, red pilled too

Play prey (the original one)

Dusk is one of the easiest games there is because a concept hipster zoomers and posers like you seem to be unfamiliar with which is called enemy placement, Blood is far more challenging because even with the limited AI designers knew where having certain types of enemies will be more threatening and make out for most fun combat situations, Blood is a masterclass on level design and progression, Dusk plays more like the average user made map pack that lacks ideas on it's own and just tries to mash many things into one project but none of those meeting the quality of the original.

that's unfortunate

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>Quake and Half Life are shit
What classic fps are even good then?

Don't shit-talk Dusk, that's a fucking perfect game to play in October.

I finished DUSK 3 times already. The level design is superb, as is the atmosphere.

Otherwise try UT, I replay it every once in a while.

That list is fine and all but where the fuck is Quake?

Everyone hates you that's why.

Zoomer here. What is the appeal for Blood? How does it stand out from doom and doom 2 or duke nukem?

oh im not him i just wanted to say its too large to download directly

It's Baby Boomer core

>watch a bunch of videos about e.y.e's lore
>fucking amazing holy shit
>play it
>what the fuck is even happening
Great gameplay despite its presentation. I both love and hate this, I think if it was more presentable it wouldve got some money behind it and not have some of the fucking retarded shit in it like
>almost no music, sound design is pretty bad all around
>terrible translation that was never fixed
>no explaination about what the genes do, you can make a completely useless character right at the starting screen and not even realize
On the other hand it may not have even been made if it was made with general appeal in mind. Its apparently based of some homebrew board game the devs made.

>prey (the original)
>f.e.a.r. (don't play the sequels.)
>Duke nukem(obviously

Oh look the quakefag rpgcodex poster is ITT.

we can only wait for e.y.e 2. I hear it's gonna be good

Amid evil is actually a fine shooter which does make good use of the tech is using instead of taking a modern engine and make something that looks below most modern standards for the sake of looking "retro" like dusk does. Amid Evil has the right idea of taking inspiration from classic shooters instead of making just inferior to the original clones.

100% agree with fear, havent played prey but it looks rad

you should probably specify which duke nukem, though, since there's a bunch and the good versions of duke3d are no longer buyable thanks to randy's meddling

>quake
>rpg

Duke > Heretic > Doom > Blood > SW

Thats a thing?

Don't fall for the translation meme
The entire lore was intended to be portrayed through to the player in a form that allows you to figure things out yourself and giving you leeway to fill in some blanks with your own brain
the 'terrible translation' meme people keep pushing was intended by the developer to avoid spoon-feeding the plot to you or being too ham-fisted like the '''''fix'''''' translation patch that oversimplifies the game and ruins dialogue

Just got into the Doom 2 and other .wad business. It's been a fucking blast. Been meaning to play Dusk too.
Any recommendations on wads?
Any setting guides? I got everything to look and sound just fine but I'm wonder if there isn't any creme de la setting shit, something real good I'm missing out on

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Dusk has plenty of challenging encounters on duskmare and mixes it up with open arenas and more closed off spaces like the mines, but generally it's a movement based game unlike Blood which is practically like a proto cover shooter on extra crispy so yeah no shit it's more about running and gunning. Saying it like it's a bad thing is stupid though. Blood as I said has 2 challenging enemy types among like a dozen, and not because they're well designed but because they fuck you with unavoidable damage as soon as they see you. You can actually see this if you're fighting tesla cultists, they're an absolute joke compared to their hitscan counterparts. I guess hellhounds could be considered challenging, but they're more of a tesla ammo check.

Wouldn't be a problem if posers actually respected the games your cheap clones are inspired from, but No! Today indie hipster devs and shills gotta tell themselves they are playing something better than the classics from some reason.

supposedly some guy sent in a tattoo of eye to the devs and they responded that it was in pre-production. take this with a grain of salt as i can't find an image proving this. its just info shared with me from somebody else. regardless, i remember seeing technically a eye 2 announcement a while ago. i just don't remember where

play on chocolate doom so it looks like it did in 1994

You're gonna get shit for it but I agree so much.

Quake never held up compared to Doom to me. It's revolutionary, incredibly atmospheric and Reznor's sound design is flawless... but I never enjoyed playing it.

Don't do this, chocolate doom iirc locks you to the original res and framerate so the whole game looks and feels like one big eye sore. The dark heavy contrast colours is the one thing you want to emulate, the other aspects of OG Doom are not worth bringing over. Also consider Smooth Doom, it's an animations/gore mod that doesn't go full retard like every other similar mod and stays very close to the art style of the game, while giving you a lot of customization options. Been a while since I played Doom though, maybe there's better stuff out there now.

Dusk doesn't really need to exist when I still have hundreds of maps to download and try out through Quakeinjector.

How can someone not enjoy Romero's god tier level design? I get the feeling people who enjoy games like Dusk are more in the serious sam crowd than actual Doom, Quake vets

Its more that alot of the dialogue is just stilted. There are instances where a character will say something like "Ill see you later, goodbye, Ill talk to you later." thats just not very good dialogue if its intentional and seems like a bad translation. That said, people skewing the things like "I killed my mentor, yet I am not his murderer" are not fucking translation errors holy shit, its actually an odd thing to discover that there is a vast majority of people who cannot ponder the meaning of things like this, that it has to be completely surface level to be accepted and nothing is up for introspective thought when it comes to videogames. E.Y.E does not get enough credit for what it did.

Chocolate Doom lets you play at a modern resolution and framerate. It's designed to be as vanilla as possible while still being updated to run perfectly on modern hardware. It won't let you use your mouse to look up and down, but that's a good thing because only casuals play Doom with Zlook mods.

I was just doing the build engine games

If they're zoomers why would they've bought it out of nostalgia?

It exists because retro shit is what's in, who wants to bother with the actual classics when you can just play simplified versions of those while pretending you are cool for having them in your Steam library?

Its more difficult to play Doom with mouselook though?

Haha, I'm actually a SS fan. That said Dusk is not much like SS, would you really say its level design is bad? It has plenty of neat interconnected labyrinthine spaces.

Until recently there haven't been any good weapons/enemy overhauls for Quake that would make its combat feel good so it's always been more of a "I love Quake despite its shit guns" type of scenario, something DUSK doesn't suffer from. The way it handles horror elements is legit quite good too and unlike anything you'll see in Quake.

>How can someone not enjoy Romero's god tier level design?
He only did like 1/3 of the levels in Quake

Because it's not Quake. Quakefags are autistic faggots who constantly moan about how bad the FPS genre is now but when actually good old school inspired FPS come out they just complain that they aren't Quake. Often their reasons for hating them are really stupid or minor. Special shout out goes to Quake3fags who cry about the arena shooter genre being dead but don't even play them anymore.

Quake's guns are perfect though. Also there are plenty of user made horror themed maps that blow DUSK out of the water. You sound like a little kid who never actually played Quake, or if you did you used all your rocket ammo on the first Shambler you came across and ragequit when it didn't kill him.

What games did you guys play when you were zoomers?

ut2k4 and ut2k4 mods all day every day

>Quake's guns are perfect though
No they're not, some guns are near-redundant, have very weak sound, enemy flinching is either non existent or too minor, there's no pushback like in say Doom or Blood so enemies feel like immovable giants even when they're getting hit by very powerful weapons, even very basic enemy types like ogres and knights take A LOT of punishment for what they are, the death animations are slow and floaty and even the blood and gore effects are weak. The forced weakness system is also kind of a band aid for a lack of unique utility that guns have, though I guess that's not so bad since at least it encourages switching.
>Also there are plenty of user made horror themed maps that blow DUSK out of the water.
Name them

Don't listen to these people that think being a contrarian is a personality trait. Dusks lvl design is great, the combat smooth fast and fluid, and even with its graphics it is still able to create a compelling atmosphere. Also the music is great. Weapons are boring tho, that's kinda my only complaint with it.

Only 30+ year old zoomers will get this one

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damn you are stupid as fuck. literally no idea what you're talking about.

Should be easy to provide counter arguments then, poser faggot

Hey fuck you kid, Quake was one of a kind

Bought DUsk and AMD Evil on special. Liking them both so far and find Dusk to be very fun. I like some of the quake sound effects. Feels nice to play and level are interesting with little oddities placed around the levels.

I just started playing Dusk yesterday, beat E1, and I'm really liking it. There are some really well hidden secrets that feel satisfying to find, I like the weapons and the enemies.
I've always been far more into Doom than Quake and never really enjoyed the latter THAT much (I beat it twice, it was fun, have absolutely no drive to go back to it) but I could see myself going back to Dusk.

from what I've seen it doesn't matter what fps game it is, quakefags will bitch and moan no matter what. they even fucking complain on /vr/ it's sad more people with you fags would fuck off than people who are playing your dead shit genre

FNAF

It took me a few tries to get into Dusk since episode 1 is just a neat retro horror FPS, yes yes very cute ooo low-poly. But episodes 2 and 3 go so fucking nuts with the levels I ended up absolutely loving it.

It's quite funny though that the AI in Half-Life 2 is abysmal.

Pretty much. It amazes me how so many people would sooner double down on defending Quake for what it was instead of appreciate how DUSK improved the formula. Doomfags and Quakefags really are the worst.

He's talking about a game forum called RPG codex, not claiming that Quake is an RPG.

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fuck you for liking that garbage series

Based

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I don't play games without at the very least bittersweet endings so I'm not gonna play that.

they dont talk about fps on rpg codex. they talk about rpgs...

Its impossible to beat quake's legacy of mods at this point. But sticking to such an old game can only bring the classic fps genre down. Dusk being ported to switch might be just what we need in the long run.

Zoomers wouldn't even know this game exists you fucking troglodyte, they're all playing heavily advertised and accessable trash.

Implying nobody in the history of that forums existence has brought up games outside of RPGs.

Also he never claimed that Quake was being talked about on RPG codex he called someone a Qauekfag RPGCodex poster, ergo the guy is a Quakefag and also posts on RPG codex.

people criticizing specific aspect of a game isnt being contrarian, dumb faggot, contrarian is when you go against popular opinion for the sake of it being popular opinion. im tired of stupid niggers who dont know what contrarianism is

But no one is competing with the mod scene. Basic bitch Quake is enjoyable but it certainly doesn't compare to basic bitch DUSK. Or WRATH, from the looks of it.

I personally enjoyed Dusk because it felt kind of like it combined the best of Doom 2 and Quake. I personally hated movement in Quake because it felt like there was considerably less friction than Doom which always threw me off. Quite a few of the weapons in Quake felt pretty fucking underwhelming compared to their Doom counterparts, especially SSG. The SSG in Doom 2 was basically the bread and butter for close range combat because you could put most of the larger enemies down in 3-4 hits. I just didn't get that feel from the SSG in Quake. I really loved the architecture for Quake though and felt like a lot of the later levels in Dusk captured the architecture pretty well without as much of Sandy's puke inducing brown levels.
Basically Dusk just felt like it combined the best of Doom and Quake which is why I like it

ive been there for the past 20 years. mentioning non-rpgs is forbidden. it is impossible to suggest that a quakester would also be a codexman.

i love it when Yea Forumstards roleplay as boomers online

Glad I'll never be a retarded zoomie like this.

Amid Evil is pretty good but honestly the episodes feel extremely short which kind of bothers me about it. Another thing that bugs me about it and Dusk as well is that they introduce pretty much all of the weapons early on. Hell, IIRC in Dusk all of the weapons except the sword can be found in all the episodes. That's something I liked about Doom. By default, you can't get your hands on the plasma gun until E2 and by default you can't get your hands on the BFG until E3. Part of the fun in my opinion is gradually introducing new toys gradually instead of having them all in a short period of time. Still love Amid Evil although I do find the contrast between the level textures, low quality enemy models, and really shitty sprites for pickups rather nauseating.