Admit it, you cried

Only game that made me tear up is the end of Assassin Creeds Black Flag when Edward hears Through the Parting Glass and imagines all his dead friends and thats only because it was grade 10 of high school. I was moving to a different city and losing all the friends I'd had for years, literally all but 1 student of my entire grade 8 class went to the same high school. I knew I'd never have a social life again. 5 years later and I still dont.

I did when I hugged asriel
also when I did a replay and got to new home again
there were a couple of other times I got close
why did I end up liking this stupid game so much
why did I not play it sooner

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The music made everything way better than it had any right to be. Even the special thanks segment feels like a legitimate "last goodbye" where Asriel wanted you to leave on a good fun note instead of leaving completely depressed about his situation. Any other game would've probably just had their Kickstarter acknowledgement tacked on in the credits.

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>backtracked all the way to the ruins in the epilogue
>didn't go the last few rooms to the very beginning and missed asriel
I'm so mad

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I never cried because of a video game
except for Ni No Kuni

yea when that guy told me what hp and stuff meant i couldn't stop laughing i started crying

I liked the grey bridge in the genocide run before sans. Talking to Flowey then threw some emotions my way.

no the best part of this game is killing undyne and it's not something to get sad about

>Mercy End is predictable if a bit cute
>Little to no content by going back to Asriel at the very start

>Genocide End concludes with Sans
>Can't even fight Chara himself and prove yourself king murderhobo since lmao he's actually in control :^)

True Hero Undyne was the best fight in the game, especially after the buildup from the cheeky shopkeeper telling you fuck off since he's not stepping out of the shop to get killed
youtu.be/qe__Zh7TGc0

I was pissed that this literal who goat that had almost no build up shoved his stupid face in, tried to kill everyone, and I'm expected to feel sorry for him. The only sad thing is that there wasn't an option to put him down like you could with his flower form, a flower that had more personality than him despite being apparently without empathy.

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based.

Tumblrtale is a game made by a commie leftypol shill. He posted on leftypol once you know to shill his game

I honestly fucking hated the game. I really like Earthbound, so I went into it with good expectations despite all the shit it was getting on Yea Forums. But it reads like some bad fanfiction. The combat is OK, but not enough to carry the game.

I didn't because honestly, I have no idea how I could get that emotional over one dimesional characters.

how do i compose as good of music as toby? like music theory wise, i already know about the motifs thing

>Implying I played some indieshit game cherished by basedboys and underageb&s

Fuck you and your kind, faggot.

run a fart through autotune and then study zun instead

midi trumpets can improve anything. Compressed/glitched/corrupted music segments are an easy way to win points

no

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I disliked it and I played it like, one day after the actual launch in 2015.

The only game that has ever gotten me close to even shedding a tear was Mother 3. Undertale doesn't even fucking rate on trying to make me cry.

>2 games can't be good
retard

the only game that made me cry is OFF because it reminded me of myself and my son

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This is the first I'm hearing of this. Any more details?

I did

>last stand against mettatron
>spare him
>fans from him cheering up
>almost cried
if there is one scene, this is

>Goat bitch won't let me leave and challenges me
>"Gotta show her her place"
>Start crying after I win

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What a faggot, he cries at video games!

I'm extremely emotionally sensitive to music so yeah I cried. Specifically going to new home is what got me. Basically any game with a good story that also has good music will manipulate me like emotional putty.

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>Kill her
>Realized I fucked up and reload an earlier save
>The flower knows and makes a comment about it

Man, I know the fanbase is weird, but playing this game blind for the first time was a great experience.

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For me it was Hopes and Dreams. That boss fight was so good.
I didn't actually cry, but definitely got emotional.

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I had serious feels, but never cried. Great game, honestly.

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i really don't like these games. toby fox is a humongous fucking faggot, complete faker. deltarune and undertale are shit and subsist way to much on video game meta humor and played out character tropes subverted by the previously mentioned video game meta shit. if you really cried at these games you are probably a woman or unhealthily isolated from the real world- just like toby fox. all his shit is excessively derivative of anime and whatever other gay media he consumes. he has no actual interesting insights on how the world works nor has he experienced enough in his own life to even formulate opinions on such things. guy hasn't worked a day in his life. when you are older you realize the people that made your favorite shit and you think gods are actually hacks with this infinitely deep well of persistence/cognitive dissonance because their upper-middle class parents drilled fastidiousness & punctuality into them. you are a child and soon you will see this for yourself. Toby Fox is a maxed-out variant of this genus of human - complete hack faker that got undeserved success by banging his head against the wall and parental ego-boosting made him impervious to on-point soul destroying snarky comments/direct messages - many by me on different accounts to try and gaslight him into suicidal depression, im not a malicious person but I believed in my heart of hearts this guy was too gay to not to be foiled like a time traveler faced with baby hitler, man this was before he was an e-celeb and all but I was sure I gangstalked him into submission but his fucking loving & nurturing parents had to ruin it.

The end of Splatoon 2 Octo Expansion made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

He's making shit up.

have sex

this already stale pasta and many others like it just miss the point. people decide what they find interesting and help others find it interesting too. its the point of art.
>he has no actual interesting insights on how the world works
is that why it's one of the most popular games in the world? because its not interesting? dumbass. have some self awareness.

I cried when i realized i could have gotten 2 double quarter pounder meals with the money I spent on undertale

nigger cattle is all you are you fucking drone you're more like your hero toby fox than you even know. please go work construction and meet some real people. stop living in this twisted mirror dimension and interact with the otuside world. i believe in you to improve

post yfw

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if you need "ART," especially any made in the modern day, and especially any made in the modern day by toby faggot fucking retard fox to tell you how to view the world and decide what is interesting and important you need help that the internet can not provide and it never could provide. toby fox is a faker zombie and so are you. the onions meme is overplayed at this point but very true. how often do you think about masculinity in the digital era? do it more. get married, have kids, basically have sex.

>parental ego-boosting made him impervious to on-point soul destroying snarky comments/direct messages - many by me on different accounts to try and gaslight him into suicidal depression
>I was sure I gangstalked him into submission but his fucking loving & nurturing parents had to ruin it.
wew lad

>crying about hugging some literal who kid
I’ll admit that he went through a lot and it’s sweet that you can share a tender moment with him, but nigger the guy doesn’t even know you. You just kick his ass and hug it out for no real reason

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>made a cloud save before I did genocide
>kill everything and still get my untainted happy ending
fuck you game

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if you went through the game up until that point you know his character enough to care and be sad
frisk's point of view is irrelevant

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Faggot, 99% of that kids lore is dumped on you right before the final boss. The rest is just very vague hints that momma goat had a dead child.

That’s like saying I read someone’s sad blogpost history and when I meet them irl I cry when I give them a hug of encouragement. I mean I’ll still care for them and be nice considering their situation, but I would cry about doing it
Maybe I’m autistic or something but I still don’t see why that would impact someone so much
unless you’re projecting

>what is new home
>what are the true lab vhs tapes

Fuckall and nothing worth caring about.
>goat mom lost a child
>goat mom lost a child but this time from another perspective
>goat mom and goat dad aren't getting along
none of this, absolutely none of this has anything to do with goat boy's personality and why I should give a fuck about him. The dead human children had more character to them simply through their items.

You mean the areas that are immediately right before the final boss?

>Play To the Moon
>Cry a lot
>Play Finding Paradise after hearing Stephen Hawking died
>Cry a lot more
I know they're technically not games but holy fuck if you're in the right moodset, they are quite the experience. The music really knows how to cut through you.

I think the sequel has more feels than the first the longer you think about it.

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Why would I cry when they all deserve death? They do not deserve to exist. Genocide End is the true end.

That's from a Jake and Amir video isn't it?

Genocide end is not the true end unless he updates it so you can purge the demon as well. All monsters deserve to die, if it isn't human it isn't right, chara deserves death as well.

Chara is human

earth is for humans

Chara is not alive anymore, it's a demon that needs to be purged like the rest. Only humanity is allowed the right to live

>Chara is not alive anymore
But she is since your determination resurrected her soul. Unless you want to imply Frisk is no longer human the moment you die once, in which case any action you make is also wrong.

>soul
Undead, spirits, specters, and ghouls do not count as human. All of them deserve to be purged like the monsters they are.
Frisk is human because they reverse time whenever they 'die', they never once become a demonic apparition.

Black Flag was Kino

>Undead, spirits, specters, and ghouls do not count as human
Why?

>please stop earning millions
>you have to life as miserably as me!
>you'll never understand the world unless you are a brainwashed slave like me!

>Why?
Why not?

It looked dumb so I never played it at the time. Then it exploded and I'm that faggot who refuses to try anything the masses deem vital or fantastic. It's own popularity keeps me from ever giving it a chance

i didnt because i dont feel

seethe

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I dont think I ever cried during a video game until I played "To the Moon". Played it when I was already feeling sad so that probably helped it, but never cried since especially not from shittale.

Because I believe that a human soul untainted by outside foreign influences is still human, just without a body. Chara has a human soul and is resurrected by a power that kills monsters.

I wish I had
tears have been very hard to come by these days

Anons ...

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>human soul
A human is both flesh and soul, from start to finish. Anything that goes against this is a monster. Chara's body is clearly not her original body, it's a demonic apparition and needs to be ground into fine ghostly powder

Yeah because the music is fucking amazing and the way it’s used for callbacks and emphasis on character themes is phenomenal.

Story is honestly okay though. You think alphis or whatever her name is gave me emotions?

...what are you implying?

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>I'm extremely emotionally sensitive to music
That's me. Although I usually cry to the patriotic music of my country. Not to vidya, although I won't lie, some of Undertale's songs did almost get to me but not quite.

never played it cuz it looked gay

Okay, wagecuck.

Based

I cried at how embarrassing it is that this "game" has a fanbase. There are people that unironically obsess over a pixelshit garbage can with tumblr writing and no gameplay...I...i can't believe it.

there's a tiny bit of gameplay in undertale, but the reason it's popular is power of friendship feelsfagging with manipulative music

The fact people can only refer to the music and cheesy lines when they try to explain how great the game is is proof enough how shit it actually is. Their only praise is "sappy music played when the character screamed about power of friendship!"

it's a good soundtrack; I wish I could buy it without buying the game

it's the same tactic generic hollywood movies use

>me when that happens

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Just ordered this game for the Vita and am looking forward to playing it for the first time. I know literally 0 spoilers and am leaving this thread asap after I post this. Quite excited, going to ignore the cringey fanbase and just enjoy, or hate it, for what it is.

Chara is YOU. More specifically, they're the part of you that blasts through RPGs for a power trip before dropping them for the next high, cynically denying games are anything more than hollow amusements. Frisk is the polar opposite of that mindset as the embodiment of the player's empathy and imagination, who understands that even though games are fantasy, the love, passion and morals imbued in them are real. Thus, the game is ultimately a test of who you are as a person, and a challenge to improve yourself.

improve yourself by exterminating monsters

that's fucking gay
let me play how I want Toby you faggot

yup
people that say they didn't are lying

No,Chara is an edgy demon who assumes the player is operating under the same edgy logic as itself. Flowey was the same, and frankly Toby is a hack for forcing this narrative upon us. Did Toby conveniently forget that humans and monsters were at war, and it was so bad that humans needed to seal the monsters underground? He seemed to forget this early on, seeing how Undyne is the only one who recognizes you as an enemy.

If it were up to me, I would have purged Chara and found a way to purge the rest of the monsters that were in hiding.

i dislike deep, emotional stories; i prefer to focus on the gameplay and how it can be experimented with
i was turned off from delta rune cause i didn't want to get attached to any new characters, and i still don't

i'd purge the monsters without the war. they are an existential threat to humanity. nothing worse than species traitors

Agreed. I merely brought up the war because it was a massive plot point that Toby himself created, and then proceeded to ignore. Flowey should have feared for his life not just because it was kill or be killed, not for LV, but because a righteous human had found their hiding place and was systematically slaughtering each and every one of them.

Imagine how fucking cool it would have been to have a second genocide route where you made it clear to the game you didn't do it for the edgy completionism, but rather to purge the monsters. Just imagining Chara trying to possess you and freaking out when she realizes she holds no sway over your pure human soul is great, a shame Toby doesn't have the talent to deliver on something actually good.

The fact that you can kill your way to 'victory' means you can play however you want. Sure, it means you destroy the universe and hand your soul over to a demon, but who gives, it's just a game.

>existential threat to humanity
MASSIVE fucking kek. The first Human-Monster war was practically a one-sided massacre, with the monsters on the wrong end. If Frisk, an adolescent child, could cut through the entire monster world and their King with a frying pan and ballet shoes, what do you think the actual military would do? Asgore didn't even want to kill people to begin with either, but was forced to because the alternative was eternal imprisonment. The only real threat down there was Flowey/Asriel, and he too got beaten by said adolescent child.

monsters could at any time cause the extinction of humans
>oh oh not my monsters they're good
well they are even better dead

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>monsters are literally trying to develope a doomsday weapon
>they're breaking so many taboos and taking so many risks that many of their people become mutated conjoined abominations, go flat out missing, or disappear from even the monster's very memories
>not a threat to humanity
Frisk is doing the entire world a favor by killing those destructive monsters.

>unironically thinking monsters are good guys when their top brass' main agenda is "break the seal and kill all humies using their own souls as fuel"
>when they could just stay in their filthy hole and keep living

I got bored after I met sans and the other skeleton. Should I restart the game and continue playing it until the end? I'm not really into story-rich game and the gameplay doesn't really click to me.

>tfw got spoiled by the porn
thanks e6

It might be worthwhile to just finish the game as quickly as possible, some of the bossfights have somewhat interesting gimmicks. Don't bother hunting for secrets or items, grinding is pointless too, just rush to the end.
The true pacifistic boss is shit and the genocide bosses require too much effort to be worth it.

But you follow that same cynical logic every time you play an RPG, conquer it, then move on to something else. You never stopped to think about your role and impact in the fictional world you were supposedly 'immersed' in, other than you being the biggest badass. Undertale is just more honest about showing you the consequences of power-fantasies and cheap amusement.

Also, monsters were never a real threat to humans, other than the few children they managed to ambush, and that would never have happened if humans didn't decide to get rid of them one day. See my post

I am not playing for numbers. I am roleplaying. I do that world a favor by saving it from destruction and cleansing it of as much evil as I can. I am not conquering those worlds.
You, like Toby, are applying your mindset to everyone else, and have trouble understanding that not everyone is an autist that only sees things as numbers to increase and levels to beat.

Are you just trolling at this point, or are you so much of a brainlet you can't even comprehend a basic RPG plot? The Determination Extractor was designed to help them break the barrier which they simply weren't powerful enough to pass through, let alone destroy all of humanity. No matter how powerful a monster might be, a sufficiently determined human (or child in this case) is going to do them in.

Adding to this, the entire reason Chara can 'possess' the player character is because Toby assumes we are just as autistic as him. This is not the case at all, otherwise why doesn't Chara possess the player during the true pacifist run? After all, you are merely conquering that game. You are getting your desired ending. It is no different, yet because Toby is at such a lack of talent he fails to remain consistent on his own basic rules.

Are you a brainlet? Undertale may have a lot of gaps in the lore and be completely unfinished in many areas, but the monsters have clearly demonstrated the ability to wipe people from existence, even retroactively. There's also time travel and multiverse bullshit going on, even before Deltarune was a thing. The monsters are a threat, and they have no regard for the space time continuum.

>saving it from destruction
>Genocide Ending
>'we had to save the village by destroying it'

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>crying from a video game
Grow up

i sure am glad that undertale invented the rpg epilogue even though it neither does that especially well nor invented that

>if you kill your enemies, they win
I'd accuse you of trolling if it weren't for the fact Undertale pacifissies are actually that retarded. I bet you don't see anything wrong with them killing several human children in cold blood either, or do you conveniently forget about that much like Toby does?

never cried at videogames before but I've cried more than once specifically while listening to music and/or thinking about themes of the game while not playing

no one cares about the village in this case because it's monsters
the real ending is you kill the monsters and go home to your family and your parents tell you that you're a good child

Pacifistic roleplaying is NOT the same as violent conquest. Chara never comes back to life in the Pacifist route because you didn't indulge in your destructive urges for once and actually gave a shit about the world you were playing in instead of treating it like an oversized punching bag.

It literally is. You are beating the game. It's just a video game to you.
>gave a shit about the world
you were merely completing the ending you desired. How is that any more different than me saving humanity from monsters with a doomsday weapon and supernatural powers(sans)?

Of course I did, I'm not ashamed to say that. This game was amazing.

Not even this game could get me to cry so I just guess I died or some shit already and I'm just living in some mirror world.

killing monsters is the only route to demonstrate that you care about the world you live in, by ensuring that your own kind remain the dominant form of life
xenophiles have something deeply wrong with their brains and we should use games like undertale to uncover their dysfunction so they can't get the earth colonized by space aliens or annihilate the species to save an endanger toad

Toby certainly didn't forget about that. Why do you think Asgore wants to commit suicide by PC, and Toriel breaks up with him even in the happiest ending? And again, how is this any more heinous than the first War which killed untold numbers of monsters and trapped the survivors under a mountain, or you finishing what your ancestors started for no good reason?

Didn't cry, felt sad when the Undertale music started playing at Asgores castle. Only game I ever cried at was Mother 3.

you dont get undertale

One last time, even though I'm almost certainly being baited here; the Genocide ending has you destroying everyone and everything. Just look at the name of the musical theme before Undyne's boss-fight in the Genocide run. The entire world is rooting for Undyne to win and save their asses from destruction by an omnicidal PC.

>'hey mom, I just killed the King of all monsters and dealt 9999 damage to all creation, what's for dinner?'
>*whooshing wind noises*

Do I need to remind you the monsters are the ones attempting to break the seal, not humanity? Have you ever asked yourself
>why would the monsters want to break the seal if doing so will only get them all killed for good?
>The entire world is rooting for Undyne to win and save their asses from destruction by an omnicidal PC.
Because Toby is a hack and railroaded the narrative to an edgy evil one, because he's such a retard he can't imagine why a human child would want to exterminate monsters that have a track record of killing human children and plan to destroy all life on the surface. This should be empowered upon the discovery of Gaster, Sans' power, and the particularly nasty creatures like Flowey. My PCs actions were in self defense, for the survival of their own species, and for the greater good of the world as a whole.

no the genocide ending has you eliminate a threat to your own kind and go home to play hoops with dad, but toby fox breaks the third wall to break your save, because he identifies more with demons than humans

New Home's build up, the eventual Asgore Speech, Asgore fight, and realizing that you really have to fight. I'll admit, the sheer emotional power gave me a single tear. I wasn't crying or anything, just accepting what was going on.

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Why would the entire world be rooting for Undyne? Frisk is just a human child, they can kill monsters easily but not people. The surface wasn't at any risk

I don't think I've ever cried at a movie or videogame.

No shit they're trying to break the seal when they're the prisoners. Even if the human world still hated their guts (which isn't the case considering how nicely they get treated in the True Ending), they'd probably still think it was worth it just for a brief moment of freedom. If you got locked in your home and couldn't leave for the rest of your life, wouldn't you too try your damndest just for five minutes outside?

the conflict between monsters and humans is interesting.
on one hand, monsters are extremely weak. their immortal leader gets killed by a kid with a toy gun, and im pretty sure the game mentions the imbalance of power between human vs monster. on the other, monsters can hurt humans by existing. when froggies talk to you like they would to another monster, you get injured.

but, then again, it takes one human soul for a monster to become a significant threat, and six to, literally, become god.

one note of interest: i seriously believe that all humans aboveground are dead. it was a conscious decision by toby to not show any other humans at all at any point, even if it would have been very easy. whether this is because of the war, asriel quite literally making the monsters "free" to live aboveground, or self-annihilation, is not yet clear. one would have to look more at the contextual story.

Were you even paying attention during Genocide?

You aren't a human at that point, you're the Demon who comes when its name is called. Even Mettaton NEO, with the power to kill humans, is wasted in 1 shot. It's not built to kill a demon.

i dont cry at games

rather than this, within the narrative of the player character being an avatar of the actual player, i think you become an actual human, instead of a fantastic representation of one.

They're essentially trying to break out of a space station into space, out of a submarine into the crushing depths of the ocean. Many of them believe they're going to destroy humanity once the seal is broken, and they preach it often. "freedom" isn't an excuse they can use, no different than some batman supervillains breaking out of jail to kill more innocents.

I was. Did you pay attention to the narrative at all? The entire narrative is that you are killing just to raise your level, just to see what would happen, that you don't care about anything at all and just want to see it. That is not the case here, I was purging the demons for the good of myself, my people, and the world.

>But the Earth Refused To Die
>youtube.com/watch?v=Xh7yNwdKaqo
Determination is scary shit. It's safe to assume at this point, the player's/Chara's determination to destroy the universe was big enough to accomplish that task, and Undyne was one of the last remaining beings that could stop that happening.

How does Chara overpower Frisk then? Frisk and the PC should be the most determined entities in their world, yet Chara is still forced upon the player so Toby can force his shitty 'bad end'.

remember when humans trekked everywhere to exterminate smallpox and the entire universe ended

I didn't cry, but it was pretty nice. It's the only turn-based game I've ever beaten, and that's because within the turns is actual gameplay.

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you haven't won even a single game of checkers?

Damn is it edgy brainlet hour already?

Undertale's a simple as fuck meta narrative about a protagonist's ability to SAVE and LOAD at any time. The game absolutely beats you over the head with one simple question: if you could just reload until you get a favorable outcome, why wouldn't you?
The monsters are all contrived, misunderstood individuals that could be better people just because some kid said the right things to them. Is it kind of stupid? Yeah, it kind of is, but monsters aren't real. Calling them "monsters" is part of the whole trick, because "omg those are supposed to be the bad guys".
And you can't justify Genocide as anything other than you being edgy. Pacifist makes everything better at the end. The monsters integrate fine, nobody dies, and it plays the happy music for your brain to get the happy juice. Genocide, on the other hand? You pick the absolute worst way to resolve everything in the game, so the absolute worst happens.

This is a video game with video game rules. Does any of it work in real life? No. The game acknowledges this, even meme skeleton is cool with self defense. That's not the nature of this game. It's a FUCKING VIDEO GAME STOP INSERTING YOUR REAL LIFE POLITICAL BULLSHIT INTO IT.

tl;dr rp makes you a fag like always and i wrote a paragraph expecting somebody to read it instead of spam the latest Yea Forums buzz word

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>this user couldn't win a single game of tic tac toe

This, you put it better than I could. A fictional world can't possibly beat a real player; the moment you decide it's all a game and you're above it is the moment you're possessed by Chara. Even if you choose to resurrect the world after the worst ending, anything you do after that is tainted by that cruel nihilism, thus metaphorically selling your soul to Chara.

The "narrative" of the story is a very intentional twist of ingame lore regarding humans, angels, monsters, and the deltarune prophesy, and meta lore regarding exp, gaining experience, and destroying the game. Genocide is BOTH. And at the end, and during the fights with both Undyne and Sans, you're very clearly called something other than a human, and nothing in Undertale is a half measure. These aren't just insults, they're telling you what's up.

And you weren't purging the demons for the good or yourself or your people. This is a videogame, you know you weren't doing it for anything. LOVE is the ability to distance yourself from the videogame, to distance yourself, make excuses, and shed the hurt and justify the actions you make Frisk take with what Flowey recognizes is "Their stolen soul".

Be very mindful of 1 very simple fact- and it is a FACT. Frisk and Chara don't want ANYTHING. They do NOTHING this whole game except at the VERY fucking end, when all gameplay has ended. If gameplay is occuring, it's not Frisk, it's not Chara, it's you. If you are controlling the game, it is not them.

You are making excuses for your actions and claiming justifications for Frisk or Chara. They have no motivations. They have no dreams or ultimatums, not until the end of Pacifism or Genocide. Everything else? That's you. That includes Undyne, and that includes Sans, and for the most part it even includes Asriel.

>stop thinking critically about my baby toy
nah i'm good chief

>he's never won at blackjack
how?

And that's why off is the better game

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>The game absolutely beats you over the head with one simple question: if you could just reload until you get a favorable outcome, why wouldn't you?
The game doesn't really beat that particular concept over your head, it just makes a few jabs at it during certain flowey segments. The game even abandons that concept during the final boss fight, where your 'determination' acts as something even more effective than saving and loading and revives you on the spot with no progress lost.
>The monsters are all contrived, misunderstood individuals
Misunderstood or no, they are threatening all life on the planet and possibly the multiverse. They support the people that work towards that, knowing full well what they're working towards. The only ones who aren't are those locked in the ruins with Toriel, and even then instead of trying to stop it Toriel chooses inaction and allows it to happen. They are not innocent.

Sorry, but none of your points hold any merit. The monsters are building doomsday weapons and have created abominations like flowey, gaster, sans, and chara. Their existence is a threat to everything

because chara is you. you can easily overpower what little good conscience frisk has themselves.

i think i remember toby asking to name the player after themselves, aka, the name that chara uses.

seriously cringe

Humans are also a threat to other humans. Guns. Swords. Tanks. Weapons. Propaganda. Does that suddenly mean they don't have a right to life? By that exact same logic, monsters have every justification to not just fight but also murder all of humanity.

What you speak of is nothing but fear mongering based on maybes and perhapses, ignoring the fact that a kid with a stick can defeat a monster with 6 souls by whacking him hard enough, and a kid with NO stick can beat a monster with 7 souls by making it cry.

The fear of monsters overtaking humanity is not justification for murder, and your logic on the subject is not justification for forcing Frisk to do it FOR you.

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why the fuck was he strong?
why did he know so much?

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>467773762
>The monsters are building doomsday weapons and have created abominations like flowey, gaster, sans, and chara.
Dude, play the game before shitposting in threads about it. The fuck are you even talking about?

sorry i don't play shitty 2d games

he wasnt strong at all man, he only did 1 damage

yeah if a human can kill all of humanity after knifing six children he has to go
sorry x-man

Drank a lot of milk.

Then all pacifist and neutral runs should have Chara endings as well. The writing is inconsistent
You're getting off topic and bringing up points that only apply if we go under Toby's broken logic that the player is an autist that only cares about numbers. Chara should not possess the player during the genocide ending, everything in the lore goes against that.
What my Frisk did was purely righteous, for themselves and the world. Chara had no right to possess my character, it's clear Toby is forcing a bad end to sate the retarded pacifissies and their feelings.

You're vastly overestimating Asriel's power. He would stand no chance against humanity.

The funny thing is that x-factor is not for you to decide. The logic of the fear is pointless to the fact that you're condemning an entire race to death based on something that never happened before, the POSSIBILITY exists, therefore it will happen? That's shit logic, and even shittier morality.

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>how can the worst desires of a real player overpower a fictional blank slate?
Your choice to embrace destruction or compassion makes the difference. By sparing everyone, you allow Frisk to live their life and do the things they want to do. If not, you indulge Chara and the worst aspects of yourself.

New home's exposition + music was a nutshot

Andrew? Andrew Hussie? Is that you?

they don't have any innate right to my cooperation to begin with, but the fact that they are an existential threat to my kind puts them deeply in the negative

>My Frisk
There is no YOUR Frisk. There is just Frisk, and they don't even know who they are until Pacifism you fucking dolt. What you're waving around is headcanon, and Undertale, straight to fucking stealing away your player name and replacing it with "Frisk" is a game about pointing at your headcanon and stomping on it until there's nothing left.

The fact that you think you have "a Frisk" means you've completely missed the entire point of the game. Like, HARD.

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no way. The ending was too anime to take seriously

>possibility
it's already been confirmed the monsters are capable of killing humans and have done horrible things like the creation of flowey, sans, chara, and the erasing of Gaster. There is no uncertainty here, they are monsters that need to be purged.
>worst desires
Implications
No you retard, the entire monologue Flowery and Chara give you goes entirely against that.

>Chara is all-powerful
Only if you let them get that powerful. If you chose to RP as Frisk instead of distancing yourself from everything, you give them the autonomy to decide their own fate and the fate of the Underworld.

The only time I cried due to vidya was Dom''s death in Gears of War 3

i fucking love gachi music

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>railroading frisk down the true pacifist route is any different than railroading frisk down true genocide
There is no point in the game where frisk is giving free control. Even at the very end of pacifist, when you decide to stay or go, you have control.

no seriously
he's stronger than both asgore and asriel/flowey with every soul absorbed, and arguably knows as much if not more about the nature of the world than the latter
how can that be the case? for that matter why did he even let himself get absorbed by asriel if he wanted to reset the world too anyway?

chara is you, the player. youre talking about autists who like number games and big readings, but thats literally everyone who tried or watched genocide.

because you "can", you "have to".

>No you retard, the entire monologue Flowery and Chara give you goes entirely against that.
Flowey* and no they don't. Chara is not Frisk you absolute retard, Chara isn't even necessarily you.
>it's already been confirmed the monsters are capable of killing humans
Humans are also capable of killing humans
>and have done horrible things like... (...)
Not even applicable to the genocide of an entire race. Even Hitler did a piss poor job compared to the monster/human war.
>There is no uncertainty here, they are monsters that need to be purged.
These are monsters that for the greater part of human history have been either exterminated, or subjugated, and the only surviving monsters that remained were more than willing to accept their lot in life, but humans, ONCE AGAIN FEAR MONGERING OVER THEIR OWN COWARDICE, jumped the gun and assumed Asriel was doing something he wasn't, and in typical human fashion, like you, opted to kill him, and set off Asgore's war of attrition.

Every single "bad" thing the monsters have done or are capable of doing have been because of human fear mongering, and the Pacifism ending proves that monsters and humans can live in peace so long as a mediator exists. What you suggest will only perpetuate the cycle of suffering. Your outlook is completely contrary to undertale, and there is no such thing as "your Frisk" for the last fucking time. Frisk has zero free will until the end of Pacifism and all gameplay has ended. Everything you're projecting onto them is your own doing, and is a headcanon. Leave this thread.

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he's not stronger
he is only stronger if whoever he's fighting is a killer

Never played it.

Never played this Meme Lord Reddit Game.
Never will.
MFW.

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back to twitter

But do you accept that Frisk has a personality/self that is distinct from the player's?

>"You said something like... "You look horrible." "Why are you even alive?" ... what? You didn't say that?"

Then there is no ending where Frisk is not possessed by Chara, so what's the point of Chara showing up and cutting my genocide route short without even a battle?

I cried at how cringy this shit was, yes.

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>yfw she burned your hentai.

I cried at how popular this piece of shit game is

lmao crybaby faggots

>flowey
>not a killer
he was literally going to do the same thing sans was trying to stop you from doing

>Humans are also capable of killing humans
One of the main arguments in defense of monsters is that they are harmless, even a child can beat this. This is clearly not the case, and that is the point.
>Not even applicable to the genocide of an entire race
It's no different than genociding smallpox. But because of anti-vaccers like you, those monsters are on the rise and poised to kill huge amounts of people again.
>humans started it!
That's not the case at all when the monster's plan is to clearly kill each human child that falls in, steal their souls, and use it to power a war god to break their seal and destroy the surface. The very first thing the player encounters is a monster pretending to be friendly while secretly attempting to murder the player, and I'm amazed you let this lesson go right over your head: monsters are called such for a reason

Sans isn't 'strong', he's just good at breaking the rules, like you are. Besides, his 'strength' is a moot point because he cannot ever hope to truly defeat you, as even he admits to you. All you have to do is reload again and again until you crush him.

That's Chara though. Frisk's dialogue in the game is far more subtle. Often with spelling or punctuation errors, like during the Alphys date, where you have a stoic well spelled option and a crazy dumb misspelled option, before in Pacifism's true ending, especially talking with Asgore, you have two options, "Sword's" or "Gun's" both of which are grammatically incorrect. Even during the Asriel fight, "But it Refused" could be considered a grammatical incorrectness.

The Narrator is always very well spoken and correctly spelled. Frisk... not so much. Frisk has the big dumb.

chara is the narrator
determinators.tumblr.com/post/159674581147/greetings-uh-so-ive-been-working-on-this

you wont read it but theres alot that backs it in the game

he was going to
did he? no
fucking retard

The only thing that ever make me cry was this youtube.com/watch?v=vrmFA5aHg7Y
Ghost Trick's last chapter was pretty close as well

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That doesn't make much sense honestly, his whole reason for fighting you was to present such a difficult obstacle that you'd give up. If he really wanted the player to give up, he'd add a few extra points of damage so his attacks nearly instagib the player. He could also try to not fall asleep in just 30 seconds

>This is clearly not the case, and that is the point.
How can you state this is clearly not the case when you literally physically perform the action with your own two hands?
>It's no different than genociding smallpox. But because of anti-vaccers like you, those monsters are on the rise and poised to kill huge amounts of people again.
If you're going to compare monsterkind to a virus it's more applicable to equate them to Superaids or something in a government laboratory. Inert and harmless so long as the phial isn't broken, and so long as certain measures are taken, it's completely safe.
>That's not the case at all when the monster's plan is to clearly kill each human child that falls in
This was AFTER they adopted the first one and treated it as their own, and when performing their dying wish, their OTHER child was murdered by other humans.

I'm not saying two wrongs make a right, but the humans are extremely obviously the bad guys in this game, and the monsters STILL turned the other cheek behind their prison, and the humans killed their children ANYWAY, and in Genocide, all you're doing is killing a bunch of trapped animals.

Like, it's not just for emotional gutpunches, Genocide, at least as a moral test more than it is just a "hard mode" for the game is really just an unjustifiable motives test. If you can justify the genocide playthrough, you're a maniac. That's about it.

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>found their hiding place
Bro... They were sealed there by the humans, They're not hiding here for fun.

That is a weird way to spell mother 3 but okay

but that's the case for everyone else too, except not even asriel breaks the rules as hard as he did or knew as much
I think being able to break the rules of reality is a pretty good metric of strength
you haven't destroyed the world yet by the time sans commits to stopping you either retard

>How can you state this is clearly not the case when you literally physically perform the action with your own two hands?
Several humans had already perished before you arrived.
>Inert and harmless so long as the phial isn't broken,
Except that superaids is developing the ability to break out of its phial, and as soon as it breaks it's going to make the Interloper from Outer Wilds look like a fucking joke.
>their OTHER child was murdered by other humans.
Their other child consumed the soul of the human, of course it would be attacked. "Hey guys, I just ate this child's soul, mind if you bury it for me?"
This inability to understand social situations is another reason why monsters and humans cannot coexist. They hold no sanctity for the loss of human life, so why should humans hold any for them?
>the humans are extremely obviously the bad guys in this game
Instead of completely eliminating the monsters, they allowed them to continue living in the underground. That's incredibly generous given they're dealing with soul stealing monsters.
>If you can justify the genocide playthrough, you're a maniac
Just like you can't justify using vaccines, you're a fucking maniac

Nowhere near crying to god damn Undertale.

I only authorize a few manly tears in moments of true glory of human spirit.
Killing Gwyn, the lord of cinder.
The end of MGS4, the final briefing with the Boss.

Man up, vee

i cried when frisk hugged asriel and i still cry every time i rewatch that specific moment

YOU KILLED PEOPLE
FLOWEY DID NOT KILL PEOPLE IN THE TIMELINE THAT THE GAME ISI N RETARD FUDMB ASS FUCTUPID FUCK

>MGS4 ending
I'll give you a pass on that
>Gwyn
How does one even cry at this? The entire fight and buildup leaves no impact whatsoever

>played the demo and loved it. Super intrigued
>was one of the like 7k people to buy the game day 1. Way before word-of-mouth momentum when insane and back when Toby was going on about being pleased that the game will loved by a smaller crowd or some shit
>I myself played a part in spreading the word, though that wasn’t my intent
>think that the game as a whole is fairly mediocre and a step down from what was presented in the demo. The greatest strength is its significant novelty but when that wears off you’re not left with much
Am I the only one here?

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Yeah a couple times. Only time it was more than getting watery eyed was when hugging Asriel though.

How does Frisk show up if Flowey keeps resetting time? Does the underworld operate in it's own time bubble?

yes

>This inability to understand
Funny, it's almost like I keep saying that exact line about humanity. It's all about accepting the risk and accepting that fear isn't the correct choice.
>I literally equate life to viruses and say it's okay to wipe out wide swathes of populations on nothing more than a hunch
>But YOU'RE the maniac!
Do you fucking hear yourself? Nobody knows about Asgore's plan. No one knows the Phial is going to break. You're using 100% hindsight and foresight in the worst possible ways to make it appear that Humanity doesn't have a choice, when in reality every bad thing, from the war, to the sealing, to asriel's execution, to Chara's DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD, is all because of humanity. The monsters have merely been the conduit for the humans' darkness. They are obviously the bad guy here, and you're missing the narrative cues to understand that basic fact, and the monsters are not justified in their genocide just for being a POTENTIAL threat, you can't retaliate against the POTENTIAL for murder, with murder. That's psychotic. "You might kill me so I am going to kill you first" is the tried and true paintings of a psychopath.

You are only making yourself look worse.

I think arguing with that guy is a futile cause. He's clearly just baiting for (you)s at this point, because anyone with enough brain-power to write all these screeds should be capable of understanding why the monsters are unwilling villains that only did what they did because of human persecution.

Answer this simple question; would ANYTHING in Undertale's plot have happened if the humans hadn't chimped out and locked up the monsters for the 'crime' of being inhuman? The town in Deltarune is a picture of what the world would've been if the stupid war had never happened.

>fear
It's not just fear, it's certain doom. It takes a literal demi-god capable of infinitely rewinding time and undoing it's own death just to stop the monsters, how well do you think the rest of humanity would fare?
>Nobody knows about Asgore's plan
They do know asgore's plan. A handful even know about the bullshit Alphys (and thus Gaster) were up to as well. Sans is even aware of that erased concept. I don't know what part of reality-warping monsters bent on destroying humanity doesn't sound like a threat to you, but okay. By all means, contribute to the return of smallpox.

The philosophical futility of lifetimes of struggle, the never-ending nature of mankind, always burning, even in the age of darkness.
A sacrafice for rebirth

>dude lmao fuck humans
shitty view, back to tumblr you go

Humans wouldn't have retaliated if the monsters didn't start sucking up humans souls and attacking human children under the excuse of "expressing themselves". People who "express themselves" to children should consider themselves lucky if they get locked up and aren't put to death.

I cried when I realized I just wasted good money on a really boring flash game.

in defense of this guy, the reading that monsters are innocent because they have suffered plight also has problems.

there are quite a few monsters who are not so virtuous, lets say.

toriel saves human children mostly because of her own trauma. she is a good mother, sure, but she is a gatekeeper of whether the kids die or not, and whether the souls end up with asgore so he can restart the war. so far, she has failed six times in a position where it is absolutely up to her what happens. even after this, she is STILL spiteful enough to slide the responsibility on her husband and admonish him for his failures.

pretty much everything that toriel says about asgore is true, though. he is a murderer and warmonger, but one with noble ideas. i dont remember if asgore declared war or humans.

sans is ALMOST a psychopath. he is most likely responsible for killing a couple of kids. he spared you though, but because someone asked kindly; the whim of killing or not killing comes very lightly to him. he also makes these weird power moves of threatening your life, even when youre doing relatively good. he also lets his only affection, papyrus, try the life of killing children, even if papyrus most likely doesnt fully understand what it entails. granted, sans is almost soulless because of the constant time fuckery.

undyne is a straight up racist. she literally uses the "youre one of the good ones!" trope about you, and is really, REALLY fascinated to see you try things of her culture.

alphys uses her self-loathing as a reverse position of worldliness to justify thoughtless science experiements in the matters of the soul and life.

people that wouldn't let you walk around town with a katana want you to let monsters walk around town despite being able to step into a daycare and become weapons of mass destruction

I didn't. I felt the tears well up, it was close, but I didn't.

who the hell is gaster
I don't know anything at all about this character, did I miss something when I was playing?

It's fair bro, those children have a fair chance at fighting back. If the monster wins, they deserve to destroy all of humanity. Don't be monsterphobic

I didn't but it was a great ending.

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He was the head scientist for the monsters developing their soul tech and other supervillian tier technology. The manner of his research was so dangerous that he ended up erasing himself from existence, including from people's memories.

Yeah.
youtube.com/watch?v=XDUqLwWhuV0

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>alphys uses her self-loathing as a reverse position of worldliness to justify thoughtless science experiements in the matters of the soul and life.
wat

A character fighting for their right to exist is an endearing thing.

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Alphys is responsible for the monstrosities in the lab, created during her attempts to engineer a super souldier and bring back the dead

Wow, it's almost like they're flawed people, just like humans! Also, Toriel is much less of a softie than Asgore; one of the reasons why she broke up was because she was sick of him not taking the initiative and crossing the barrier to murder some bad guys for their souls. Instead, he just waited for innocent children to fall in and get killed so he wouldn't have to spill blood himself.

No I mean
>alphys uses her self-loathing as a reverse position of worldliness
What did you mean by this? She hates herself for lying to everyone and for keeping those amalgamations in her lab, yes. But
>uses her self-loathing as a reverse position of worldiness
???

they aren't people

I love Chara!

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I think that user was trying to say she was using her self-hatred as an excuse for the evil shit she was doing. Similar to how she thinks "i hate myself oh god" is a good excuse for putting a human child in the same room as a robot designed to kill humans, several times, in a pathetic attempt to make friends. But it's funny because she's so awkward haha!

A demon designed to commit evil is not flawed, nor is it a human. It is an entity that needs to be turned into fine powder

Alphys was a fucking cretin and the forced romance with Undyne will not age well in the coming years as Deltarune is compared to UT. I imagine Toby making her a miserable shit in DR was a response to realizing how awful she is.

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just find a goat mom larper to role play with

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Here's the last (you) I'm handing out. I hope you savour it.

You're major misunderstanding is that you keep thinking I was playing to grind the numbers, or conquer the game. Again, that was not the case. My Frisk was a paragon of virtue, capable of making the tough decisions even if it might make them look evil in the eyes of anti-vaccers.
The issue lies with Toby's inability to write a good choice-controlled narrative. It was almost as disgusting as Mass Effects 3 color ending and Deus Ex's 3 button ending, in respect to how much it shit all over player agency.

>My Frisk

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The Judge did nothing wrong

He's not stronger than Asriel. Asriel only loses because he got his feelings back and realized what he was doing was wrong.

>mfw he wasn't bullshitting

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Would you prefer PC, Character, route, or some other term? Or are you autistic enough to think Undertale is real and that I should refer to frisk as their own free being, even though that's clearly not the case both in real life and in narrative, because Frisk never once achieves free will.

asriel didn't attack you through the menus

Peace, baby.

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>pacifist feelsfag is upset upon realizing genocide and pacifist are no different in relation to Frisk
I'd say cya later, but you'll probably die to smallpox soon.

a social position that is usually perceived as being negative also has hidden, positive aspects.

what i mean by this is that a position of pathetic self-loathing has hidden aspects of power as well. self-criticism can be seen as a form of extreme humbleness, which makes others more open to your message. self-hate is often also seen in tge truly talented artistic types, hence the "suffering artist" trope. note, if you dont know about reverse positions of power, all of this internalizing about the others position happen unconsciously.

more concrete examples: suffering and (often metaphorical) flagellation is a big part of christian beliefs. but, strangely, the more of an insignificant speck you are in the eyes of christ, the more virtue you can hold over others.
also, niche social movements do this too. if a man says he hates himself as a man and despises others of his kind, he suddenly has much more power in criticizing others, and gains a more experienced and "worldly" standing of innate wisdom in a social interaction.

alphys is the same. she is aware she is held in high regard and knows she is a brilliant mind, but, instead of changing herself or her methods, she keeps her status as a vulnerable and fragile thing as part justification and part sympathy.

Intradasting. Shame Toby ruins it with anime bs.

>Undertale is too complex for Yea Forums's 2 digit IQ
It's literally a simple META commentary on a player's behavior in a game, how can you not get that?

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>It's literally a simple and shitty META commentary on a player's behavior in a game
fixed. Undertale has writing as good as Homestuck's, and that's pretty bad considering Undertale is the first entry in the series and already that bad.

It criticizes people for slaughtering innocent people so they get mad

Monsters aren't people.

Irrelevant

only two games ever have made me tear up:
the endings of pokemon mystery dungeon: explorers of sky and telltale's the walking dead

Neither are they innocent.