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I've noticed that 1st placed players are getting masks sometimes. This needs to be patched, 1st place shouldn't get good items.
What do Dingodile’s feet smell like? Asking for a friend haha.
How do I unlock the N sticker for my ride?
>1st place shouldn't be able to protecc themselves
mario kart is that way --->
also masks and bubbles are rare as fuck in 1st anyway
The MP items need to be addressed, the best thing a person in first place should get is a bowling bomb.
If I get a Shield or a Mask in 1st, it’s GG as far as I’m concerned.
I'd argue the bubble shield is better than the mask in first.
>Have this retarded message since early morning
Pit stop works and every other online game too. .. WHY
I love how my lightning ball never seems to hit anything, but other people's will hit literally everyone
I haven't tried playing online.
Whats the best way to farm coins?
Burgers are crowding the servers. Play off peak to harvest WCs.
COCO PARK IS CANCER
STOP VOTING FOR IT YOU FUCKS
>ywn lick Krunk's toes
So it's not on my end? why can't I find anyone else having this problem?
The bubble shield is a valid 1st place item, from the original (and CNK too), but the mask is not.
Play online. You get 500+ WCs for each race. Most I’ve gotten is 800 for butchering everyone else.
It drops after a while tho.
i like it because it's easy
The bubble shield is better than the mask, though. Ten wumpas and you can hold it indefinitely while also carrying another item.
Remember to back up your saves occasionally. Some people apparently have had the game crash and corrupt their file.
this game's story mode is pretty difficult, I guess I'm just too used to Mario Kart.
Am I gonna need PS+ for the grand prix?
>protecc
Redd*t is that way.
I've heard you don't.
Learn to powerslide my boy.
You can save .5 seconds by going through the grass just before the tunnel.
>tfw the clock hits right after a super turbo pad
REEEEEEEEEE MY FIRE HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO LAP YOU NOW
I know that's how it was in the original but I don't think it's a problem. It's already pretty rare and it's constant protection against clock + what the other user said about holding another item.
Get 10 fruit and the warp orb will hit everyone in front of you. With less than 10, the orb will only hit the 1st placed and some unlucky chumps that get in the way.
Idk what happened before but the game kept crashing on me when it tried to connect to the online mode or the pit stop. I was afraid it would corrupt my stuff.
Then I've heard this game isn't getting returned.
I mean bubble is constant. whereas there guesswork with mask.
>omg wow the Nitro Kart tracks are so good now!!
No, they were always good you dumb fuck, your retarded ass just never gave them a chance. The whole game was extremely underrated and was a legitimate sequel to CTR. Don't even argue with
me.
woah
Not him, but there have been times where the warp orb will literally just “miss” me and continue to do another lap until it hits.
Yeah, there's no reason the mask shouldn't be available in 1st when the bubble is also available and way better. As well as the timing being difficult the mask can really fuck up your line on blue fire tracks. Blue fire + mask is borderline uncontrollable
>The whole game was extremely underrated and was a legitimate sequel to CTR.
Drop your nostalgia glasses. CNK was a hollow shell of what was once CTR.
>guys in second does get the STP and gets ahead
the only fire here is the fire that consumes my skin every moment of this living hell
You won't be able to use another item while using the shield, though, and will have to let go of it if another player passes you.
I say make it like it was in CNK, where the shield does not protect against clock.
>barely managing even blue on time trials
unlocking tropy is gonna be a bitch
maybe I shouldn't be playing advanced characters for my first time ever playing this game
post racing fuel
Some of the maps were quite pretty and well designed, but the driving physics were and are atrocious
Jungle boogie and Wumpa tower are pretty good.
Hyper speedway is literally a straight line.
>Pinstripe becomes a fucking loser
>Dingodile becomes a renowned firefighter and gets featured on the cover of a yearly calendar
The CNK tracks have been nerfed, though, whole sections were cut or simplified to make them around CTR track length. Hyper Spaceway was hit especially badly, this game's iteration of it is just 50% of the original.
>pressing the item button with no item makes you honk
Oh, that's neat.
fuck off dsp
>just got back from buying a ps4 and ctrnf
>forgot the PSN card, had to go back
>$25 for THREE FUCKING MONTHS
>whatever
>forgot my psn password from half a decade ago
>just changed it
>finally about to start playing
Please please tell me it doesn't try to patch or install or any bullshit.
The lobby needs some sort of interaction between players. I’ve added a couple of good players but had to manually search their names on psn.
bros Im mega ass how can i have an easier time beating Pinstripe in adventure mode? Fucker is on my tail the entire time and I get passed up once I suddenly logged on for bullet hell
>I'm using Nitro Tires!
Electron Avenue
Hot Air Skyway
N. Gin Labs
Android Alley
Thunder Struck
Tiny Temple
Oxide Station
Slide Coliseum
Out of Time
Polar Pass
Cortex Castle
Clockwork Wumpa
Deep Sea Driving
Barin Ruins
Assembly Lane
Blizzard Bluff
Papu's Pyramid
Tiny Arena
Tiger Temple
Jungle Boogie
Meteor Gorge
Crash Cove
Roo's Tubes
Turbo Track/Retro Stadium
Mystery Caves
Coco Park
Dingo Canyon
Inferno Island
Dragon Mines
Sewer Speedway (RIP)
Hyper Spaceway (RIP)
>Dingo Canyon
That was an interesting experience.
>oh shit awesome it's like those levels in war-
>oh this sucks
>Assembly Lane
Assembly Lane is fucking trash and Sewer Speedway is not that bad in this version.
How the fuck do I get good at Dingo canyon? The water just kills my speed and the whole track feels to narrow to power slide
agreed that electron avenue is really damn good
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How long does it take for coin gain in multiplayer to reset? I don't feel like wasting my time for only 2x points.
Speed character
THIS
WHY DON'T YOU FAGGOTS EVER PLAY ELECTRON AVENUE, IT'S THE BEST IN THE GAME YOU RETARDS
post yfw you realised assembly lane is literally just tiny arena + the least interesting bits of n. gin labs glued together
There are very discrete ramps in the riverbed. Just hop as soon as you go above the water level each time.
Just powerslide hard for the rest of the track.
Why is he so perfect, bros?
Pinstripe fails his job as a car salesman and returns to being a CEO and bodyguard, oh no, what a loser!
Dingo's still up there with the best, and I'm glad he's got a heart of gold
Fuck the sewer speedway rollers
It goes up slowly over time. Go outside or read a book.
This dude still makes mistakes but somehow can do it and i cant understand how
I think it's every 24 hours.
>playing with legacy music
>retro kart
>I get CTR sounds and the original Electron Avenue theme playing all at once
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I did nothing to deserve this.
How long is it going to take me to lose my muscle memory from other games? People always say Transformed was a heavy skill based game, but CRT fucking annihilates it with its drift/reserve system and makes Transformed look like a game that was rated EC by the ESRB.
I'm not a huge fan of the remastered OST but I really think Electron Avenue's new theme is much better
Reminder that some fans found Crunch so attractive that they begged him to be in Twinsanity even though he wasn't planned.
I think I'll just work on trials then. Multiplayers pretty gay outside of the exponential coin increase it has.
How the fuck does anyone use the default camera? You can't see shit coming up ahead. The camera is shoved so far up your ass.
get out, is that true? At least they rubbed it in their faces by just having him show up during the beginning fight
No one:
Not even one person:
You: *unsolicited thoughts on Reddit*
I do notice something is different but I can't point my finger to what.
is there a way to make the camera zoomed out without having to constantly press the trigger
Just don't use Tiny, user.
I'm 99.999% sure the cheat codes in this game are one big psy-op. I tried them on the original - nothing. Now I'm trying them on NF for penta - nothing. The internet will not fool me any further.
That's a really shitty meme too.
>scroll down
>dingo canyon isn't last
>slide coliseum isn't bottom 5
This whole list is wrong
Finally got this fucker in the roster now. And can I just say. Whoever did the N tropy ghosts for Oxide Station and Tiny Temple can go fuck themselves.
You ARE investing in Wumpa Coins are you Yea Forums?
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Is it still possible to get a negative relic time by breaking every box and having a time of less than 10 seconds?
How do I make sharp turns in the air without losing my boost? I'm letting go of X and holding O, which makes me do a sharp turn in the air, but It's usually not curved turn and more of a sharp turn. At the end I usually feel like I'm losing my speed and lose my boost when I land.
What are you even talking about? The cheat codes are well documented and easy to put in.
>he doesn't like the new Slide Coliseum
cringe and gay
>Not that bad
Have you fucking tried the platinum relic?
I like the new Electron Avenue mix a lot actually, but there are some parts I miss like the louder melody and longer notes. It's easier to hear the bridge.
penguin yay one
>investing
You mean I'm not meant to spend them?
I bought the only skin I really cared for on release day so I play online just to humiliate others.
Nitro Kart Adventure DLC when?
>ooh look at all the pretty lights distracting me from how FUCKING ASS this track is
I think that way too many CNK's tracks directly copied CTR's. It's nice that this remake went out of it's way to make them more original.
Inferno Island = Crash Cove
Jungle Boogie = Papu's Pyramid
Tiny Temple = Tiger Temple
Deep Sea Driving = Roo's Tubes/Mystery Caves
Meteor Gorge = Blizzard Bluff
Out of Time = Dingo Canyon
Clockwork Wumpa = Cortex Castle
Thunder Struck = Hot Air Skyway
Assembly Lane = Tiny Arena/N Gin Labs
Hyper Spaceway = Oxide Station
DOOOOD HE TELEPORTED
God I fucking wish.
Why bother? Give me new tracks instead.
>Jungle Boogie = Papu's Pyramid
Visually, sure, but the track itself wasn't all that similar.
i have to wait until next paycheck to get the game. how does it compare to the original CTR on ps1?
They're already adding new tracks in the grand prix.
>Tropy's ghost won't show up on Dingo Canyon
Not even he wants to race on this shitty track
I dont know
It's pretty good, but casuals are very butthurt they can't beat people that are actually good at the game.
If you are a casual fan of the original you will love this as long as you stay away from hard mode
If you are a more skilled/autistic player you will hate it for an hour or so and then quickly fall in love with the new mechanics
It's incredibly rare. I'd assume that getting a mask in 1st place has only made a difference in 1% of races.
yea im not sure either, ask someone else
The controls are the same. The collision physics on some maps are different.
Oxide station is way different and the sewer speedway shortcut is a 50:50 chance even with the X3 perfect powerslide.
Online play is excellent.
I'm seriously disappointed that the adventure mode is literally the same. I figured they'd surely integrate some of the new tracks.
It's time for his mandated 15 minute break.
Never give people who can manipulate time breaks, they really stretch them.
Hold square + direction + down in the air. Release square + down and hold X before touching the ground or you'll instantly lose your fire.
>If you are a more skilled/autistic player you will hate it for an hour or so
Elaborate.
>The controls are the same.
This isn't quite true. ALL karts have noticeably worse handling, but the payoff is that u-turns are now much better and easier to do without losing fire.
What's everyone's problem with Dingo Canyon?
I've never had any bother with the track. I didn't know it was hated.
I have to play CNK on mute with the obnoxious and incessant jumping noises.
>Tropy's epilogue mentions meeting a man in "red coat" with the "sweetest kicks"
What did they mean by this?
the armadillos can fuck off
*One fan I mean, sorry.
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If you notice, his model in Twinsanity looks really slapped together too. He's just an edit of Crash with a different texture. He wasn't going to be in the game.
It just feels subtly different if you're very familiar with the original, it really throws you off. This was always going to be the case though, once you get over it you'll have fun
How many of you got the Digital Tropy skin? I finally managed today.
It's short, boring, and the compact nature of the track and box distribution means weapon spam is really bad.
Willie Wumpa Cheeks?
I don't even have tropy yet
git gud
Simultaneously boring and deceptively tricky to get around well. And now it's more redundant because Out of Time exists and is better in every conceivable way
I thought it was supposed to be a Doctor Who reference but who knows.
Goddamn, finally tried it and this game feels nothing like the original. Motherfucker, I just 101%'d 1999 a day ago in anticipation, and now I'd rather just go back to the original.
Even more of a reason for removing it.
It's fucking Marty McFly
I wouldn't recommend going to the /vg/ thread, it just gives off worse vibes than these ones. I will stick here for as long as the mods allow it.
Stick with it
How the fuck am I actually supposed to go up the spiral in Dragon Mines?
I've gotten it in first a few times.
Carefully.
You will adjust, just keep playing it'll take a little bit of time but if you were good in the original you'll be good in the remake
I don't understand why people play originals immediately before playing remakes/sequels. You're just going to get tired of the game faster. Play new first, then go back to the original, if you're that inclined to get a taste for the differences.
>Finally got N.Tropy after going through his dumbass ghosts, especially Tiny Temple and Oxide Station
>Looks at the requirements to get the cool Digital N Tropy Blanco
>"Beat all of Nitros Oxide's times in Time Trial Mode"
Fucking kill me lads
The actual driving is mostly decent, but they need to fix some things up with the maps (particularly Sewer Speedway)
HOW DO I GET GOOD AT THIS SHIT I'VE ONLY PLAYED MARIO KART BEFORE
go back there
Beat all of Nitros Oxide's ghosts
You don't, you go through the short cut.
It is a good remake, but some things still need work with future updates. For one thing they need to make the drifting a little tighter, I think every mini-turbo sends you too far forward and sewer speedway has problems to say the least.
why
Everyone keeps saying Sewer Speedway has problems but no one elaborates. What is wrong with it?
I'm getting my ass kicked, how do I into get good
Has anyone hit invisible walls on Deep Sea Driving? On 2 separate occasions I've lost my blue fire because I just slammed to a halt in midair like I hit a wall
Right there with you bro finally got him today and the only oxide ghost I’ve beaten is crash cove. I beat most of them in the original but I don’t think I’m ready to do all that shit again plus cnk tracks.
driving on the half pipes is wack
So now we've had a remake of the original trilogy, and now CTR and CNK. To what direction should the series go now? Some time ago, some people brought up the idea of remaking this game. Back then, I dismissed the idea as stupid, but now, thinking about it, I kinda would like this.
The shortcut is fucked, for some reason players sometimes get it and sometimes don't with the same inputs
Trying to ride up the walls in the halfpipe sections feels nothing like the original at all and it also kills your reserves half the time, and the shortcut is VERY picky on when it wants to work, and even when it does work, sometimes you don't get quite enough height and you get stuck on the edge.
I think the common complaint is about the walls fucking up drifting and boosts.
Goddamnit I had no idea. I guess I have to look up the shortcuts I didn’t find
Buckle up, go through the Adventure mode tutorials from the masks, and watch those time trial players on Youtube.
The half pipe mechanics are absolutely fucked, in the original you could safely drive up the walls for the most part but now you pretty much have to stay away from them. Also people are having problems with the shortcuut
Happened to me when I had finally got a lucky mask in the Oxide 100% rematch and zoomed ahead. I almost popped a blood vessel.
I found it works better with Dingo or Tiny, you need a certain speed threshold to get the necessary air.
Practice practice practice, fuck around with the controls, master the slide turbo and get it down, go for 100% in adventure mode if you can, familiarize yourself with the tracks, find your main
How the hell do you turn off nitro wheels? I can't find it in options.
>Niggin Labs that low
I'm kind of annoyed there's only one waifu on the base roster.
absolute kino
>in full lobby
me and this other guy kicking everyones ass
>they all leave so its just guy and i
>now its 1v1
>sick ass match
>slaughter his ass too
>he leaves
heh, nothin personal kid
It's there, keep lookin
I'm pretty sure the mask Penta Penguin gets is randomly decided at the beginning of the race. It's not 1:1 to the glitch in the original.
Drifting on the walls makes you go up vertically and will make you do a 180° if you aren't careful. I don't get how they could fuck that up when the Android Valley walls near the train are fine.
The original CTR only had Coco as a playable female character, the entire game was a sausagefest. Adding Tawna and the Trophy Girls as unlockable in the next Prix was a good choice
>All these fuckers playing Coco online
>No one playing based Pinstripe or N Trance
Just make an original game. The original content in the remake was good so I'm hopeful.
>gets is randomly decided at the beginning of the race.
I've gotten both in the same race, it's just random.
What items are you guys waiting to be available at the pit stop?
I’m trying to get my hands on electron team trance wheels
behold the power of waifuism and sex appeal
Making a Mario Party of Crash Bash could be incredible
>sex appeal
>Coco
No.
I really hope Beenox listen to our concerns for future patches. They've done a stellar job for the most part, if they fix some of the weirdness this will be a 10/10
If Activision is actually doing anything else, it'll probably be a new Crash game.
Original game.
I haven't encountered a single other person playing as Small Norm.
I main Pinstripe you motherfucker. Fuggedaboutit.
I just have to keep switching characters because of the dumb coin nerf thing.
I feel like they'll at least try. They listened to a lot of feedback during the game's development which is probably why we got all the extra techniques like the different tiers of fire. I mean, they literally patched the online in less than 24 hours, that's pretty good. And given how they plan to go the long haul with this game if the grand prix is anything to go by, they've got a lot of time to fix things.
They've listened to basically everything else, like Dingodile not having a tail and USF, I'd be surprised if they didn't listen to the feedback on some of the maps
What the series needs is an original entry
What I dream of is pic related to finally be completed. It's the best half-finished game I've ever played
mmm Coco's spats
Well yeah, those guys are lame. And need to be unlocked
The original glitch was Penta always had the Uka icon but Aku would protect him. What's weird is that it was implemented in version 1.0.0 of nitro fueled but removed with the patch, just like Ami's original haircut.
So now we know that Spyro is getting in and he's getting a cup of his own, who's coming along with him? My guesses are:
>Sheila - Acceleration
>Sgt. James Byrd - Handling
>Bentley - Speed
>Agent 9 - All-Around
>Hunter - Speed
>Elora - Handling
>Bianca - Speed
>no one playing my boy Komodo Joe.
Hoping they end up making the load times faster.
Wumpas extend pick-up duration?
YOOOO IS THAT A NIGGER TO HIS RIGHT...oh its just a monkey
I'm guessing it's going to be either
>Spyro
>Hunter
>Elora
>Bianca
Or
>Spyro
>Sheila
>Sgt Byrd
>Bentley
>Agent 9
Then when they pick up a "mask" it's actually Sparx who will fly around the kart
>enter cheat code for Penta
>"Penguin Yay One!"
Yeah, 10 wumpa shields last forever until you hit something, juiced up boost canisters are more powerful and last longer, and clocks and masks last longer.
>Pinstripe
>Lame
Getting ten wumpas makes your items more powerful.
>can't afford game
>every streamer is shit
FUCK
You do realize Ripto and Gnorc's VAs are in the credits?
I shit on Coco Players with Small Norm
>game isn't out on PC
>need to buy a console to play this
JUST
Most likely:
>Spyro - all-around
>Hunter - all-around
>Elora - turning
>Ripto - accel
>Moneybags - speed
I doubt Hunter won't be included.
Moneybags will be DLC, you need to pay 2.99 to get him while everyone else will be free
Is there a before and after of her hair?
>play as Penta in an online lobby
>notice my coin rewards are dropping so I switch to Coco
>notice then that four other players had changed to Penta Penguin
>tfw we could have been Penta Penguins but I ruined it
I'm sorry, lads.
>ends up needing Spyro Trilogy installed to access
>same for eventual new CTR cup which requires Crash Remastered
I can see Activision doing this to spur more sales.
Fr? Didn't see em
Based Normbro.
Fucking more offline coins.
20-80 per race for shit that costs 1.5k-7k is absolutely bonkers.
Especially with these load times.
Holy fuck. Just started and hard mode is brutal.
I'd feel like a bitch dropping to normal.
Is all that stuff really locked behind the online pitstop thing? I'm a dirty pirate who cant go online.
Kek, Crash Cove on hard mode is harder than Oxide times in the OG game.
>summer skins yesterday
>summer skins today
So I have to buy shit I don't want and just hope the next skin is what I want?
Just find a way to cheat your coin counter then.
does that even make a difference? i tried swapping characters and i still got jack shit
Or just wait a day. Which is still bullshit, I know, but it saves your coins.
That's the reason I bought Zem and Zam.
Yeah they need to fix that while also adjusting the pit stop prices. The game's EULA heavily implies they won't be doing micro-transactions, even later... and yet the economy screams it.
Imagine squeezing them into a glass and drinking the contents haha I bet it would taste gross haha
Does switching characters actually bring the amount of coins you earn back up, or is that just a myth right now?
Where's his legendary skin?
Just pirate the pit stop contents like you do with everything else, bro
It has to be character classes you swap, characters of the same class still reduce rewards.
Beenox, do this.
There's a webm of Slide Coliseum's intro from the leaks with her old hair. Go into Slide Coliseum now and she has her hair like in this pic.
I’ve done some testing myself and it definitely seems that way. It has to be by classes though, not individual character from what I’ve seen.
The Tropy ghost on Tiny Temple makes me contemplate suicide. You have no choice but to master USF or you get destroyed.
Convince me not to play real Velo.
christmas sweater come christmas
I like the game but I hate that there's so many loading times in between.
Reminds me of Anthem.
Why the fuck does beating a boss or beating a time trial ghost NOT warrant more coins? That's what I want to know.
He's a little butt goblin.
are you toying with me?
So far it does seem to work but it's kinda inconsistent. Sometimes I've gotten 160 coins after switching to another class but I'll be down to 80 coins per race right after.
Handling.
Epic original joke in a thread that has nothing to do with /pol/ shit. I mean that was a genuinely schizophrenic post
test
dilate
>Look on the map
>Nonstop orbs for days
>A clock hits
>Accept fate grimly
I do nig. Got my Komodo Moe plush on the TV to look over me.
FUCKING KINO
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I fucking hate sewer speedway now. Shortcut is way too inconsistent to reliably hit.
>get orb'd/clock'd right before a big jump over a pit
160 is the rate you earn for 1st place on very long tracks when Wumpa Time is over. Switching class didn't matter.
He's pretty based in this one.
Just trying to make sure the world doesn't end.
It's taking me forever to get used to the drifting in this compared to original CTR. That and what the fuck is up with the complete lack of controller remapping?
I like how all the bosses get slight remixes on the boss theme.
Seconding this, it's 100% accurate.
I was pretty decent at the original and was massively tilted playing this for an hour or two. Now I'm having heaps of fun slaughtering new players online
>no multiplayer problems the first 2 days
>now today having players constantly teleporting and disconnecting
Thought this was fixed?
I'm not sure about that, I've gotten 160 in Jungle Boogie after switching classes and I've also gotten only 40 for first place in Sewer Speedway.
I really wanted to die, grinding for hours only to see 40 coins for 1st. I thought the rewards were going to decrease even further.
the datamine says he'll have a sumo skin in the future
Am I a scrub for wishing beenox would implement online lobbys with no weapons
Glad I'm not the only person having this problem
I fucking hate nu-Spyro and how almost all the characters look so I don't care
There’s a number of factors to it.
1. Track length: the longer the track, the more coins it gives you. The base costs are 40, 80, 120 and 160.
2. Placement: this one’s pretty obvious, rewards are reduced I’d you don’t win.
3. Character class: it’s not characters in particular but their class that reduces the rewards. Always use a class different to the one you just used if you don’t want to get gimped rewards.
4. Daily multiplier: your first couple races get a x5 multiplier on them. I think it stops once you’ve earned 4k coins but I’m not certain on the specifics yet.
I just realized Dragon mines has a total of 1 boost pad
Is there a big difference between good and perfect turbos? And what's the best way to get a boost at the start of a race?
>1. Track length: the longer the track, the more coins it gives you. The base costs are 40, 80, 120 and 160.
Given that what track gives you the best Wumpa Coins/track length ratio?
Man, Pinstripe's old voice was way better, he sounded ten times more sinister
I always thought I was good at these kart racing games. Apparently that's not the case.
>absolutely destroy on Clockwork Wumpa
>wait at the finish line so everyone else has a chance to finish
>they all leave the lobby immediately after anyway
Did they think I was mocking them or something? I just want everyone to be able to finish.
i give them a chance but i never got to like it, sorry nigger
>between good and perfect turbos?
A perfect turbo will last longer. You need them to stay at max boost speed, you can't keep your fire with just good turbos.
>what's the best way to get a boost at the start of a race?
See webm
it does come off as condescending, better to just finish them off if you don't wanna look unsportsmanlike.
Well they'd have to bother with Adventure to get him, that's probably an issue.
Maybe he got poor connection, you never know.
>get destroyed on hard, in a dozen races top finish is fourth
>drop it to medium
>immediately get first, barely tried
I'm just going to be told to "git gud" but this is honestly just terrible programming.
Man, crash's voice in the original was annoying but it's fucking SO BAD in this game. Makes me not want to play him at all
Yeah, what's the deal with this? Are all the CPUs running at boss speed or something? I knew before starting the game that I wanted more of a challenge, but this shit is another level of hard
Thanks for the help bro
I want VV on a Crash 4, and Beenox on a Crash Bash that is actually GOOD.
CTR is such fun, I'd love a crazy party game with loadsa characters
That's because the original voice actor has dropped from the face of the earth so they got that Jewish guy who did the voice of captain hero from drawn together to do it same with coco her voice actress? Jew.
>outsliding the shit out of a cocofag
>this happens
>lose
Yeah not a fan of multiplayer at the moment
>finally bought all the characters available in the Pit Stop
>turns out N.Trance IS exclusive to the Summer Time pack
God damn it. I get two slots for skins now at least, that’s gonna speed up getting those once I get Trance and Tropy to complete the roster.
Can you explain this webm to a brainlet? Is there a rhythm to pressing it that gives you the maximum boost
I mean, I don't want a board game framing for the minigames, but it needs SOMETHING
Honestly they should just do a brand new Crash racing game with all the stuff from Nitro-Fueled plus new stuff and add in Crash Bash minigames as side content. It’d be the ultimate party game.
I would like to see a grand prix mode added to the online. It's fun and satisfying to have to rack up points across four races and seeing those podiums at the end.
The Sewers are fucking garbage. How did they murder this track so goddamn hard?
i dont want to buy a console just for play this game, any tips?
Is there a way to practice to get good or do you have to just tough it out?
Loving the game but I'm stuck on ngins labs on medium (Ik I suck don't say it) and I can't seem to keep a consistent boost going like all these webms do. Should I be trying something specific when I drift or what? I'm drifting a little after it turns red since it seems to be quick, should I wait longer or does it not make a difference in the remake?
What do you mean by that? Aesthetically, I miss how simple the track is but otherwise it's the same shit
Close your eyes and imagine you're driving a kart against Crash and the gang.
Make engine noises with your mouth.
Print out a picture of Coco and stick your dick between the couch cushions.
>beat Tropy in Tiny Temple with a full-lap USF
>end 10 seconds behind Oxide’s time
this shit goes hard
Why are you printing a picture if your eyes are closed?
I'm stuck there too bro but don't worry it seems like a good map to get better with the boost. I can even keep the USF buff going for awhile, but I'll fall in one pit or get hit by that crate, and then it's over, I'll get targeted by rockets/bombs till I'm in last.
Next lap I'll do the same thing and it repeats. Generally finish in like ,2-4th. Is there a shortcut in the level?
You need the boost bar at the bottom right corner to be completely filled at the start of the race. Pressing the acceleration only once doesn't fill it, you need at least two presses. Don't wait too much between each press and don't hold the press for too long.
>Beat a shitload of people by at least 1 full lap
>Sudden disconnection
>Can't go online because of a network error
>Change to my neighbors wifi
>Now it works
Did they shadow ban me or something?
Why the fuck am I only getting 80-180 coins online now? Hours ago I gained like 600 per race
Your options are
>1 - Buy a console anyway
>2 - Wait a year so that MAYBE it will be ported to PC (online will be dead if you choose this, but muh 60fps)
>3 - Watch streams of people playing this, so you can pretend it's yourself playing
>4 - Emulate the original CTR and play that instead
>5 - Forget about this game at all and go back to your Fortnite, autism simulators or whatever fuck you PCincels play. (also kys)
Problem for me is I can never get a USF boost to begin with.
Do you have to just hope you don't hit a wall after getting the USF from the jump before the weird blue super boost tunnel?
And as for shortcuts, not that I've found. You can hop over the holes in that one area but besides that it's pretty strict on where you can go.
More you play a day, the lower it goes.
You get slightly more if you switch up characters regularly.
>Was really good at Sonic All Stars Transformed, always on top in Yea Forums lobbies and public lobbies
>Never played CTR, give this a go
>Absolutely demolished
This is a whole new level of skill I never witness. It's going to take some intest training to skill the fuck up.
>I'm drifting a little after it turns red since it seems to be quick, should I wait longer or does it not make a difference in the remake?
You get longer boosts by waiting longer. Switch to the nitro hud and aim for perfect boosts.
If you beat both Oxide and Tropy times in one go, does it count for both, or do you need to do it again?
Thanks, I've got it down now. Never realized you could actually get more out of the boost at the start
>In first
>Proceed to get absolutely buttfucked by item after item after item
That's not even fair.
Your first couple races every day get a 5x multiplier.
lol no
have fun
I might be wrong but I think the tunnel IS what gives the USF, so after I get past the bridge I just start drifting right immediately.
Yeah those are what I usually mess up. On the room going up with 90 degree turns make sure you do them real sharp and jump off the corners going up, it'll save good time.
You do it again. Also now you have to go back to the track selection every time and enable the ghosts manually.
>Switch to the nitro hud and aim for perfect boosts
Will definitely try that, thank you!
Did you do any glitch cuts? A speed runner found a new glitch cut on Polar Pass and got temp banned.
Welcome to kart racers, be thankful there's only two that are guaranteed to hit you
Gross. Thanks anyways.
>he isn't far enough that only a clock or warp would hit him
Git gud
Stop being poor but this should apply to everyone
Which runner?
Is there a clip?
>The joys of multiplayer, with an opposition that gets the good items, and not just the trash the AI gets
All you can do is hope that whoever you're fighting for the lead with gets fucked by the noobs' items more than you do.
It's funny that items do fuck-all to actually help the noobs trailing behind, but are still decisive for the race because the player they DO help is the one that is lucky to avoid getting hit (or gets hit in less critical spots)
Only the hairpin cut in hot air skyway but I didn't get notified or anything. I just got this message whenever I try to connect using my lan cable As soon as I try with another wifi it works fine.
Any idea how the coins bonus works? It seems random as fuck when I get 80 or 800 coins in online.
It's set up for the sole purpose of encouraging you to play daily.
>You get slightly more if you switch up characters regularly
No
See
Wait, they're issuing out bans for cuts? That's fucking lame, considering they've cleaned up the big ones. Just patch them out if they're a big deal
>new to the game
>some races I'm a solid 15-20 seconds ahead of everyone
>like to think Im good
>its actually just everyone buttfucking each other for 2nd place
Is the Oxide Station shortcut still a thing? I've attempted to hit it like I used to in the original but I've never been able to
It was a temp ban as far as I know. Probably until they patch it just so they can't spread it too much.
I can't win a multiplayer race bros
Is there anyway to add people you play with to your friendslist on Switch? They don't show up in the recently played with section.
>Cortex Castle relic race
>every box is in a weird spot you would never, ever actually go to
Most of the relic races do a pretty good job of showing you shortcuts, secrets, and good lines to follow, but this one is just retarded.
What the fuck is this maps problem? I get to the second USF pad and for some reason it kicks me into SF for whatever reason.
have sex
Yeah, they fucked this remake. I'm going back to the original.
>TFW the first time you manage to build up enough reserves to go fast without having to constantly drift
Oh my God bros. I can't go back to other shitty kart racers. Not even Transformed was this exhilarating.
A few of the tracks do this. It's to test your skills or just be creative.
Have fun playing alone
Just wait for the PC release, and don't let any of these console war babbies tell you otherwise.
Though you are totally missing out right now, it's so fucking good.
I've had this happen on Deep Sea Driving a few times. I thought I was just low on reserves at first but SF shouldn't happen when that's the case.
And I'm gonna die alone.
I'd have it no other way.
Has anyone tried playing MK8D since playing this? Now that I've readjusted to these physics, I'm completely hooked all over again
Anyone else have the issue of not being able to hit the USF turbo pad at the end of Polar Pass? I always seem to go right over it without hopping or anything. I seem to remember the ice ramp in the original also providing the boost which this one does not.
You just have to not jump at all.
Hooked to Mario Kart or CTR? I can't go back to MK8. It feels so fucking full, like if I were racing on a straightaway for a majority of it.
I feel like the jumping is much crazier in this one, I find myself jumping over a lot of turbo pads
I don't like relic race
You love it!
*so fucking dull
Are turn characters shit like everyone said?
Hooked on CTR. The original was probably my most played game as a kid. Yet recently I've only experienced MK7 and 8D. I enjoy them, but it's so easy to tell how they differ compared to Crash
NO
it suck poopoo
I'm not though is the thing, just coasting out my mini turbos and he goes right over. I could brake but i dont want to burn my reserves for holding blue fire afterward.
I've resigned myself to never attaining the platinum relics. I'm too much of a speedlet
Is it FASTER to drift turbo over hills or to try and get a last second boost before jumping? Maybe just depends on the height?
Good game other than the online-only shekels to get new stuff.
I dunno, I adapted pretty fine
You can get a lot of customization stuff just from 100%ing the adventure mode, and most of the unlockable characters are nu-Crash shit so it doesn't bother me not owning them
Same. In the original you could approach it from the right, driving toward the left, and hit the pad 100% of the time but the crazy ice physics in nitro fueled makes doing that harder.
>purple worms removed
>good in any way
Nice try, kid.
>spats
They fucking ruined her. Sje cucks!
Teach me how to froggy
teach me how to froggy
>spats
>anything but top tier
Twinsanity directors cut.
Electron Avenue is so fucking good bros, holy shit.
fuck these boxes and fuck platinum relics
>3 hours of DSP on Hot Air Skyway
i hate it too desu
regular time trial is much more fun
Git gud.
Good list. I'd rearrange some things a bit, but as far as the general locations go I agree.
im a rural user, do i need a internet connection in order to unlock stuff/play the grand prix stuff? like, can i grind everything off-line (even if takes 1000 hours)?
i can if i have to, but i would rather not
Hey man, my 8 year old self had a hell of a time with that stage. DSP has a similar skill level so give him a break!
G I T
U
D
You need to be connected to the internet even to grind coins in offline races. Sorry bro
You can unlock everything offline, but for the Grand Prix stuff it’s added via patch so you’ll need to be online to download it, but not to play it
Pitshop and Grand Prix are all online.
Adventure and Arcade is offline.
STOP FIGHTING OVER 2ND PLACE AND GIVING 1ST A HALF LAP LEAD REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Use your phone as a hotspot bro
I'd like to see a remake of TWoC. Surely Vivendi can salvage it.
God they seriously need to fix the homing missiles. Most of the time they end up hitting the fucking wall
FUCKING ANSWER
I like waiting at the finish line if i see there's a close race for second.
>be in 3rd
>1st and 2nd suck cock but they keep getting beakers and TNT so they aren't taking each other out
>4th keeps hitting you with missles, but he also sucks cock, so he can't overtake you
i can but i dont want to
thanks, still getting it i guess
As they should, this game doesn't need pinpoint homing bullshittery
Speed is probably the second most important factor for platinum relics, you need to plan that shit out
i would like the game to go more into the australian stereotype vibes from the original game
i want a sequel based around the emu war
Welcome to every Kart racer.
they're not magic missiles, if you don't have a clear target ahead of you they will do nothing
Bring Mark Cerny back and make it an open world game in style of r&c and j&d like he originally intended before the game got fucked by the publisher.
Air braking is a thing now which helps alleviate the turning issue heavy characters tend to have.
Save them for when your close to the enemy and theres open space.
LOL
I just want to say that I'm really happy with this game.
Sorry, I guess that doesn't really answer your question.
No turn characters are still bottom tier for speedrunning/wr's but you will probably have good success with them in multiplayer due their ease of keeping SF/USF up over characters with tighter turning radii.
I had a tough job the first time against Pinstripe in this remake too, his bombs seem fucking huge compared to before
Truly the Dark Souls of Kart racers.
>That Trophy name
Fucking kek
my bad I thought they were just broken. i was expecting them to follow whoever's in front until it hits
It has soul.
>finally got platinum on Sewer Speedway
Fuck me dead.
> Why don't you get a job?
lel
Is the game selling at all or is the franchise ded again?
I'm in for suffering, aren't I?
Switch online seems booming for now.
Wait is that a real trophy?
these platinum relics are more enjoyable to get than the ones in the n trilogy
>mfw papu's pyramid relic race
where the developers having a fucking giggle with this shit? a third of the crates are either over a pit or in front of the piranha plants
The game just fucking came out. We don't have any fucking tracking data.
Yes and uh yes
>in a lobby of 6 when an N.Tropy joins
>ohfuck, everyone in here is speedlets
>everyone saves their items for the dude
>No one attacks anyone except for N.Tropy and at every possible chance
>he places 7th behind the bot
Just as it should be.
Wait until Tiny's Temple
Fucking fuck!!!
>N. Tropy now uses the shortcut.
FUCKING WHAT MATE
Yo I get massive frame drops on Inferno Island on Ps4 pro. This sucks but at least the level isn't that interesting.
i feel like this list ranking is in order of how sanic fast you can go
i like it
Tropy is harder, but Oxide got casualized on a few.
is there a way to change the default camera angle? annoying having to adjust it every single race
Well it looks like the very first time I set already beat both and I wasn't even trying :\
L2?
Thanks man, just wanted to know how long we have till metas and tier faggotry start forming.
post cute stuff pls
Are there any good videos of people explaining or atleast showing off how to boost/usf/whatever correctly, preferably in nitro fueled?
Asking so I can observe and see how exactly they're turning corners and not going slamming into a wall.
Anyone got pro youtube gameplay? ive only seen the best players in webms
I don't think it will be possible unless a no-item hot lap mode is introduced. Clocks are far too frequent to get a perfect 100% run in multiplayer.
I love how when a N.Tropy player gets in the lobby, you already know he's fucking good
youtube.com
This is for CTR, but everything should still be the same
I can't fucking beat Tiny Arena. I hate dirt bike tracks in racing games.
>Tropy in the platinum hovercraft
default, user
tag team racing remake wen
Then you have the motherfuckers using the default kart that are 20 years of training that smoke everyone.
I'm on to you fuckers.
Jump boost, bro.
I've been playing non stop since the game unlocked at 9 PM Thursday. My wrists ache and my fingers are sore. I've barely slept. God this is a good remake.
Jump from the ramps as much as you can, you need the speed boost
Also, start drifting before you reach the turns so you can clear them quickly
you get nothing for online on switch
Those guys are the scariest because the rest lobby wont be ready to turn on them at a moments notice. Bullying N.Tropys into leaving is much safer.
>all these different characters to play
>still can't bring myself to play anyone other than Crash
I love that little shit.
His alt skins are pretty cool too.
This, my fuckin thumb still hurts from 100% the game and beating all of N.Tropy's ghosts with barely any sleep.
I suck at snaking, I'm getting fucking wrecked by a ghost. Every time I get something good going I catch myself not snaking for a second and Tropy blasts pasts me, or I hit the microscopic edge of a wall, or hit that fucking column at the beginning. It's making me paranoid about hugging corners but I keep taking the lower part of the track too wide, and Tropy passes me again
Does this game has many lines as Tag Team Racing? not buying if not.
>3 hours
No fucking way. There's no way he spent that long on Pinstripe. I had that shit down pat in like 10 minutes when I was 9.
Crash and the boar look strange in the tumbnail
holy fuck frieza is in CTR
jump good
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
best boy
don't kys over the game bro
take a break
what a dumb reason but ok
PUT EVIL COCO IN THE GAME
not buying a ps4 game if it's a downgrade from a ps2 game
I want NBrio
no
I rarely get this hype over a game anymore I'm just letting myself enjoy it. I probably will take a break tomorrow because physically I don't know how much more I can take
Crystal Challenges and Relics have got to be the least fun things to do in any racing game ive ever played
That includes traffic attack in the sega racing games
Well, it has all the tracks of the original PS1 game and the PS2 sequel, so I guess it's only as good as a PS3 game.
Can probably skip it bruh, no need for a purchase.
It's not even the same game user. How would it be a downgrade if it isn't anything like it
>I want NBrio
> og character is not in the game at launch
now i'm definitely not buying this, literally unplayable
This is when the game becomes unmatched. You're just... fast. Without doing a fucking thing.
But it was earned.
This game is fucking bullshit. CTR challenges in hard mode are unfair and broken to the point it makes this game not worth playing.
git gud
pls no furry itt
>finally got all platinum relics, all ctr tokens, and did every race in the first area on hard
holy FUCK that was hard but fun
No i refuse, keep your shitty relics
I'M NOT A FURRY
I'M NOT A FURRY
I'M NOT A FURRY
have you ever tried getting good?
are you guys cool with 8 players or should it be bumped to 12?
Komodo Joe is one of my mains, along with Crash and Fake Crash
VERY discrete. They've completely fucked that section. Even when I get height I get fuck all speed.
N. Cortex
N. Brio
N. Gin
N. Tropy
N. Trance
N. Vitro
N. Igma
N. Sulin
N. Destructible
I'm fine with it, 12 might mean there's more item fuckery, and seeing how the game only cares about being in 1st for deciding what items you get.
literally me
8 is fine, but some tracks could work with 10-12
N Vitro could legitimately work desu, as well as N Vivo
I always hated the relics ever since the original, I never like searching for stuff while trying beat the clock at the same time.
>use the first lap to collect the tokens, caring not for your position
>use the rubberbanding items in the 2nd/3rd laps to crawl your way back to first
are there hackers on switch? i just got fucking clocked for over a lap and a half on tiger temple
The majority of the content in the game is basically doing time trials and relics which are the same fucking thing except one is even more obnoxious
>Caring about arbitrary labels
>Not just jerking it to whatever gets your dick hard
what does the N stand for though?
yes, even before the game was released
N. Trovert
N. Terracial
N. Adequate
N. Cubator
N. Tolerant
N. Jection
N. Flation
The river section is munted. The ramps are practically non existent now and you lose so much speed in it. Maybe I'll learn it soon but it's shitting me off in the meantime.
N. Dependant Womyn who don't need no man.
I don't give two SHITS about evil Coco. I want my pure, cute, wide-eyed little sister bandicoot.
>fishnets
G rated game Still going to fap to her though
This game's item balance is just basically nonexistent. Hopefully they work on it in future patches.
Quick question, guys. Do you need to defeat the ghost racers times and collect all the relics to unlock certain things or no? I'm not sure if the unlocks are at all 1:1 with the original CTR, but I haven't played it in ages and am curious.
I CAN'T UNLOCK TROPY GHOST ON CORTEX CASTLE WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT
N. Trophy unlocks once you beat all his ghosts, and you unlock a skin for him after beating all Oxide ghosts.
>N. Plying
people forget that Oxide is also an N
Nitrous Oxide
N.Oxide
No, that's just a guy who uses USF
similar question, can i just play adventure mode over and over in order to get wumpa coins?
Who thought this was a good idea
The fucking madmen
literally nobody likes crash bash
fuck you the handling and sound design was awful and I hate you
N. Sinuating
CUZ WHEN THE ROAD FEELS TOO LONG
I'LL STILL BE HOLDING ON
I'M GONNA KEEP ON BOOSTING
I KNOW I'LL BE STRONG
N.
DES
TRUCTIBLE!
i thought the N standed for North
Jesus fucking christ, I want Evil Coco to sit on my face so bad.
I really hope they only limit the guest characters to 3 at most. I don’t really like the idea of a whole row or more of the roster being dedicated to an entirely different franchise
Make sure you take the shortcut in the Blue room of Cortex's Castle
Cortex Castle and Sewer Speedway are literally garbage so its ok
Okay perverts.
So, Coco's beach outfit. Can you look up her dress and see blue panties, or is that something else?
it's just their first names
Neo for Cortex
Nitrus for Brio and Oxide
>get the crystals in 2 minutes
this is not fun
Nina when?
N. Terloper
N. Stant
N. Truder
N. Genius
N. Animate
N. Jury
N. Terruption
N. Testine
Technically yes but online is literally 10x faster. Just play a few online races each day to wear out the daily bonus
I do.
Relics unlock a bunch of small stuff like paintjobs and stickers and are required for 101% which unlocks a skin for Oxide and his hovercraft.
>Nina is also n.Cortex
wish it was true but no people do like it
I fucking hate the 2nd crystal map so bad even if it only took me a few tries, crystal is a shit collectible
Why is that a problem? She's an acceleration character, of course she's going to be used a lot.
>but online is literally 10x faster.
im fine with that ratio, game is going to last me x10
You started with Crash Cove, didn't you?
By far the hardest one because of that T
You don't need to drag it out user, they're bringing out new content.
i like bash, played the first 4 crash games backwards, can't help it.the music is still good though
I WON'T LET NOBODY BREAK ME DOWN
So is Pinstripe and N Trance
But those require people to play single player, and there's definitely going to be online only shitters.
I FUCKING UNLOCKED TOPY ON NGIN LABS ON MY FIRST TRY
Fuck off. The items are fine.
Tropy in N.Gin labs isn't even that hard
>ultrasacredfire shitters making sure only 1 person finishes in online and nobody gets their coins
terrible fucking feature
The Nitro Kart tracks were always good, but they were held back by the game's shitty physics.
Hopefully never, just import the characters into ctr.
I struggle to think of what I wouldn't let her do to me
You still get the coins.
Should have made it top 3 though.
But you get coins even if you don't finish the race you lying kike
Same.
You can do it, user. I did it earlier, an accidentally beat Oxide's time while doing it. It then took me another hour to replicate that run in order to actually beat Oxide, but if I can do it, so can you.
I cant even keep USF for most tracks how the fuck do people do it for entire laps
They can play N.Gin. No one plays N.Gin
I do.
A little thing called, practice
based n.gin bro
it's too bad he doesn't sound as funny as he used to
seriously n. gin is the one base character that i have seen the least in this game.
doesn't help that in adventure mode if you played anyone but one of the original 8 they would just remove n. gin.
they git gud
No one plays N. Gin because his VA is dogshit.
What other Grand Prixs could there be?
There could be one for the previous Crash characters who didn't make it (like Moe, Koala Kong, and N Brio, although I don't know what the theme would be). There can be a Twinsanity/alternate dimension one with Evil Crash, Evil Coco, and Nina. There can be one dedicated to random enemies like obj_motherfucker, and there can be one based off of Crash Bash, maybe a party or festival themed one with Rilla Roo and the Bearminator
pls don't be mean to non gg players, they are going to get discouraged
Willy Wumpacheeks.
I do. I don't care if people think I'm a tryhard or a waifufag. Coco and N Gin have always been my favorites to play.
I did.
The game was hard as the devil to 100% but i still liked it.
Rilla Roo in ctr, when?
i mean, it has literally been spoiled already...
Pfffhahahha, people have been waiting for this moment. They're going to flex their penis anyway they can.
Online will be dead and only these players within a month.
Quit being a faggot, dude.
Ripto and someone from 3.
Fuck Dingo Canyon. Worst map in the series.
Twinsanity will just end up being the Evil Twins.
They'll probably get a slot each to be fucking awful.
>OXIDE STATION
>IN 2ND
>THE JUMP AFTER YOU GO THROUGH SPACE
>SOME CUNT DROPS A TIME WARP
>INTERRUPTS MY JUMP, INSTEAD OF CONTINUING DOWNWARDS, LAND ON THE TRACK BELOW FROM BEFORE THE SPACE JUMP
>2ND TO 8TH IN A SECOND
That’s not todllers park.
At least DC has environmental hazards to look out for.
These are buzzwords used to pretend that speedrunning CTR is a normal skill that humans can do
Sounds fine to me, even if it's not as great as the original HERE'S ONE FOR THE ROAD.
Bahahah the same thing happened to me too once
FRESH MEAT FOR MY POT
You could easily put farmer Ernest, walrus chef, and the skunk.
You okay Charlie?
they are desperately looking for more wymen characters so it's going to be
> spyro
> sheila
> elora
> zoe
> valley fawns
> bianca
> grettel
>Twinsanity Grand Prix
>Spiralmouth broke up after TTR
FUUUUUUUUUCK
They really should have included a rank feature to do a better job of filtering the playerbase of equal skill. Cross play tossed in would also make the competition seem less fierce for newcomers.
I'm sure the first thing one of you fuckers is going to say that I'm aking for it to be casualized, but I'm sure the top skilled players would rather be matched with other top players as well.
i hope we get some acapella with twinsanity
Nah lmao I'm loving every race, getting max coins and buying everything.
they are supposedly divided by skill, maybe the secret rankings are going to get better with time
>but I'm sure the top skilled players would rather be matched with other top players as well.
nah, we have fun crushing you, like a bug
>unlock small norm
>never use anyone else again
He's too fun.
>lapping coco mains
Is there a better feeling
Podium animation is adorable.
>Twinsanity Grand Prix
>New tracks are based on the Cortex Surfing levels
>Sprint tracks instead of circuit
Would honestly love to see sprint tracks in CTR
So online, there most important part, is the very first.. 10-15 seconds, correct? If you fall behind, especially when you know you're playing with good players, that's it. You're fucked. You cannot recover, if you get auto missle locked by chance or blueballed. You cannot back up to first place if they get too far ahead.
It was like this for me on CNK GBA. He's a smug little shit.
>Mfw Beenox adds an online mode that has no sacred fire at all so the fun police can play among'st themselves