I am on of the few people who prefers this version of Shadow's theme over all others

Personally I do not understand this complaint. I have always thought that Shadow was pretty easy to control. I have more trouble with Heroes desu.

It can be kind of stop and go if you do not know the stages, but once you have them mastered the movement feels pretty good in my opinion.

I would say that this is a subjective opinion any way you slice it. The movement controls function just fine, nothing is actually broken here.

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It controls like Sonic Heroes.

I have no scientific proof of this, but I think they control slightly differently.

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The vehicles are either slow as fuck or super unwieldly. The sections of the game where thet are required to proceed are amog the worst.

There is no true neutral route, you are railroaded into Lawful Good or chatoic evil at the end of the path

The game somehow looks and perorms worse than heroes

FIND THE COMPUTER ROOM
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY
THE MORE THE MERRIER

I'll admit that vehicles can be hit or miss, but they are utilized well in some levels. Particularly the air saucer used to cross large portions of poisonous liquid. Prison Island is one of the cooler stages in the game in my opinion and utilizes the air saucers well on large fast waterslides/shooting galleries.

I don't think there necessarily needed to be a neural route. The story is admittedly pretty loose with the multiple paths being kind of "what if" scenarios that are wrapped up with the real ending.

It has no performance problems whatsoever, what are you talking about? I played the GC version, is that one better? I think the game looks fantastic all around. Particularly areas like the space colony ARK and Black Comet are very neat. The matrix levels are also cool. The city levels may have a few muddy textures but the overall aesthetic is there.

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Also, audio clips being played too often is a common game problem. Kingdom Hearts comes to mind.

Overall the voice acting is pretty alright in this game. It is much better than it was in Heroes simple for the fact that you hear Shadow a lot more who doesn't have that annoying of a voice. Charmy is only in one level now.

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BUT THINGS ARE STILL UNCHANGED

It controls worse than Sonic Heroes.

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The level design sucks and puts random obstacles and shit in your way. It's like an even more flat Sonic CD kind of level design where there's just pointless little road blocks in the way, the controls are terrible, the homing attack is nerfed to fuck and also terrible, the hand to hand combat is terrible (not that you should be using it to begin with when you having a god damn homing attack) the spindash is somehow not only tedious as fuck to use but also more useless than the rocket accel which was already a pretty lame move in itself in replacement for a proper spindash, the story is fucking god awful that's full of retcons and removal continuity at times, vehicles are garbage, the music is overall forgettable (not counting the main theme, the multiple end credits songs and personally I'm a fan of The Doom in that one Ark stage), the graphics are really unappealing, the mission structure is terrible (killing 35-40 aliens are you fucking kidding me?) and the 2 player mode sucks too. For me its actually worse than Sonic 06 because I'd rather take Sonic's story from that game over the entirety of Shadow the Hedgehog. But hey yeah at least the gunplay works so there's that.

The cars are pointless and the flash back levels are a bag of dicks.

T.Beat over 100 different routes.

I think we just disagree on the controls. I found the spindash in this game to be fine it's not really supposed to be used to get around but it can still be used to jump long distances.

I really don't know what you mean by pointless little roadblocks in Shadow or Sonic CD. If you mean actual things in the levels like enemies and challenges and things do do then I think that's a good thing. I fucking hate all of the boost to win games so maybe that is where we differ.

> The music is overall forgettable

youtube.com/watch?v=1y0ARjIYZhQ&list=PLvNp0Boas7217wlSWYj25AHEB-oYZ_Q-T&index=28&t=0s
youtube.com/watch?v=EguvUh3TvGU&list=PLvNp0Boas7217wlSWYj25AHEB-oYZ_Q-T&index=64&t=0s
youtube.com/watch?v=WiKaLm2G5dM&list=PLvNp0Boas7217wlSWYj25AHEB-oYZ_Q-T&index=72&t=0s
youtube.com/watch?v=ETVMXs8EerQ&list=PLvNp0Boas7217wlSWYj25AHEB-oYZ_Q-T&index=29&t=0s
youtube.com/watch?v=Wo44M2uW5RY&list=PLvNp0Boas7217wlSWYj25AHEB-oYZ_Q-T&index=39&t=0s

This game's OST is fucking awesome and fits it perfectly. Listen to it again.

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> The graphics are really unappealing

This game has a massive variety of different settings that people just fucking ignore. In this game you have.

> City being assaulted by aliens
> The fucking matrix cyberworld
> Haunted castle
> Carnival
> Prison Island (abandoned jungle facility with hazardous waste)
> Jungle infected with alien life
> Ruins
> Ruins moved to the fucking sky, complete with sickass tornado section and shooting down enemy air fleets
> Space colony ark exterior
> Space colony ark interior
> Alien comet
> Eggman's fucking lava base
> Chase down the president in his titanic air base complete with scenic movie sunset

I realize some of the textures are a little gross but that variety is insane. I'm probably forgetting some things too.

Every single level in this game is unique in some way and there are multiple ways to play each level down to what enemies you prioritize killing to get a better score for the path you want to follow.

People enjoy dying to the same one hit kill bosses in Dark Souls 100 fucking times but don't want to bother mastering a platforming stage. I say this as someone who also likes Dark Souls but come on, that game has shitty controls too.

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If I told you this song plays in hardcore gay bars, would you have any reason to doubt me?

Nah

I blame the EVERYBODY TRIES TO BE STRAIGHT line

Now that you mention that, I would totally believe you. Sounds like something gay bars would rave to.

I got nothing because the game's actually pretty good.

I ain't reading that block of shit

2 words:
Lost Impact

IN THE END IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER

Certain stages are absolutely awful (central city and lost impact)
I disagree. I love how it feels to skate around in the game.

>but once you have them mastered the movement feels pretty good in my opinion.
if you have to master it to feel good, it's not very good.

no, because I've never been to any club, let alone a "hardcore" gay bar.

>the music is overall forgettable
You really suck man
youtube.com/watch?v=8jcwSlHVfas
youtube.com/watch?v=iPFZMMkR7NI
youtube.com/watch?v=LX_0lUzCDZ8
youtube.com/watch?v=2JfHmMZV-To

I bet you like Mario Odyssey's movement better then Sunshine's right?

You realize that is factually wrong and Sunshine has far more options and is better?

Just because something is easy to pick up doens't mean it's good. It means it is shallow.

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>if you have to master it to feel good, it's not very good.
pleb opinion

What incentive do you have to master something if it's not good until you do so?

the fact that it will be fucking good you stupid instant-gratification-fixated shit

Holy shit wow. Because it is fun to be good at something that takes a modicum of effort?

Not just getting a moon every 45 seconds because you'll lose interest if you don't.

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There's a difference between mastering something and being somewhat competent at it you retards

That has nothing to do with my post whatsoever

So I should just suffer grinding Shadow out until I'm fucking flawless at it, and THEN it'll be good and that'll make it worth the time spent in your eyes?

Oh I'm the retard? I'm sorry, I guess when a game has controls that I'm kind of not used to I don't drop it immediately. That clearly makes me retarded.

I guess it is correct to expect games to be so fucking dumbed down a fucking plant could clear them like Mario fucking Odyssey. They should also be engineered to completely waste my time with meaningless filler instead of actual fucking content. And then everyone fucking praises it for being full of filler content because it's super fucking easy and you get a shiny thing every 45 seconds.

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That's not the point. Nobody gave the game a chance in my view. That's all. You are entitled, but to your opinion on it, but the controls work just fine there is nothing technically wrong with them. It is completely playable.

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No you should just not be bad at video games
StH levels are actually quite fluid and fast-paced with relatively few instances of being forced to stop

Holy shit
Master
Verb
acquire COMPLETE knowledge or skill in (an accomplishment, technique, or art).

You're literally telling me I need to be a fucking god tier speedrunner autist just to like the game

You don't have to completely master the levels to have fun with them. But they do become more fun if you try to improve your performance in them.

The first run is still fun, but subsequent runs to get a better rank are also fun. I like my sonic games like this personally I also really like SA2 for this reason.

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Yeah and I get that I don't really even have beef with Shadow I thought it was simply okay and yes I fucking gave the game a chance and think it gets a little too much hateYour arguments are just fucking stupid

t. bad at video games

Whoops for Not

>"Echo Fighter"

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