With Smash Ultimate being such a gargantuan game for the series creator, Masahiro Sakurai, to work on...

There are 17 with the DLC, which is 1 less than Brawl and 3 more than Melee's. It's not as low as you fags think.

>counting echoes

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Why even make a new game after Ultimate?
Just keep adding to the roster and maps of Ultimate. I don't see the point in creating yet another Smash game from the ground up, at least for not another 15 years.

>why even make a new game after ultimate
money and the switch will be outdated hardware come November 2020

Can’t Nintendo just port the game to their next console and add a few more characters?

Add Diddy and Mewtwo. I can't imagine K. Rool without Diddy being a thing, and Mewtwo's only skipped Brawl, and even then, apparently he was supposed to return. I'd argue Falco and Ike are probably a lock too.

Honestly this. We have no idea how long the Switch's lifespan will be, and in theory it could drag on forever like the DS and 3DS. Why make a new game when you knowingly made a definitive one? How about a second series of DLC characters?

>Ultimate Super Smash Bros. Ultimate: Turbo Hyper Fighting Edition
A strange move, but I can't say I'd be against it.

>implying they're not just going to port and update ultimate forever

...

there was already a ton of compromise made with porting smash 4 stuff into ultimate

diddy isn't on the level of luigi/peach/zelda/charizard as a secondary. Mewtwo is possible and I debated adding him, but I think it could jump between him or lucario

It can easily be ported. All of Nintendo's tech since the Wii and arguably the Gamecube has been easily translated to the "newer" consoles.

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Street Fighter 4 did this, and I can see Smash Ultimate making a lot of money following the same formula.

>sheik
>untouchable
shiek should have been changed to impa two games ago

>removing charizard

make the next console backwards compatible and patch in better graphics

*actually, I'd also add Metaknight too. And, going a little farther, I'd imagine they'd keep Toon Link. The Toon design's been used for a good few games at this point, so it's not like he's totally irrelevant.

>there was already a ton of compromise made with porting smash 4 stuff into ultimate
no there wasn't. the problem is that sm4sh is a fundamentally different game in many, many ways and they reused what assets they could from it. if ssbu gets ported with more characters it won't be anything like as much work creating a new game with new gameplay, different engine etc but reusing assets

Characters from your list that could get cut:
>Ganondorf
>Pit
>Wario
>King Dedede
>Olimar
>Wolf
>Little Mac
>Shulk
>Ridley
>K. Rool

Honestly I hope this is the case. What could they really do at this point to outdo ultimate? I hope it's like 5+ years til we see another Smash so they have more tech to rebuild the game from the ground up in a big way.

>Sakurai decides fuck it, and just has Ultimate ported to future consoles
>from now on, there'll be fighter passes after the first one, with 1 fighter pass per year to add 5 newcomers, 5 stages, spirits and music
>while also updating with new modes and shit
>rosterfagging intensifies for the next 2 to 3 decades before the roster reaches Tobal #2 sizes of HUEG-ness and nothing can ever top it

Move Ike to least likely as he is now confimed to be the most popular character in the Fire Emblem series.
Move Joker to 50/50 as Atlus seems to be very willing to work with Sakurai.

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>My mains and all my favorites are gone.
So long earth cowboys. This will probably be the last smash I buy.

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People would literally stick with Ultimate. As long as Ridley and Rool stay I'm gonna buy it but I can see it being a hard sale to some folks. I guess on the bright side if Ridley stayed and Palutena got cut I wouldn't have to fight that bitch. Yes I know "git gud" yada yada. She's such a goddamn pain to deal with and everything she can do is amazing and hard to punish. I just hate fighting her period.

I would say Marth is 100% untouchable as well, and Pit and Wario are very close to that status, with Sonic being 50/50. Otherwise, wholeheartedly agree with the list.

>dead series

The last XC game was released 18 months ago and has currently sold 1.7 Million copies.

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>buying a game because of its characters and not the mechanics/gameplay

joker is the first third party character on the chopping block

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Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's going anywhere.

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>non-iconic, historically irrelevant
>has jack shit to do with nintendo
every other third party has one or two of the above. Joker is the first to get cut

Need a Jig buff plz fuck everyone else

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>The biggest game from a publisher that regularly puts games on Nintendo platforms
>Jack shit to do with Nintendo

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Joker is probably the weakest rep for SMT/Persona, but that franchise deserves a rep none the less.

nice irrelevant spin off no one cares about, like Q2

that's like saying vaultboy would get in over doomguy

SMT would be fine since it's historically relevant to nintendo. persona is not. No, joker doesn't represent SMT. I mean, lets assume he does. He's still the lowest of the third parties except for maybe simon/richter, and that's a big maybe

Persona technically is just an off-shoot of SMT and falls within the same universe and franchise, especially in Japan.

>"It has jack shit to do with Nintendo"
>Post a game starring Joker on a Nintendo system
>"N-No that doesn't count!"
Cope.

joker is still the first third party on the chopping block taking that into consideration

No it's not the same thing, as despite what SMTfags will tell you, Joker is both the most profitable and most popular Atlus Protagonist.

>joker is the first third party character on the chopping block
I kinda agree if we're not counting the echoes Richter and Ken. Bayonetta is close to Joker but the fact her games are published by Nintendo now makes it less likely for her to be cut, plus I guess she does have some pretty unique mechanics. Joker can easily be cut since he's only the protagonist of one recent game (no I am not counting PQ2 because no one cares about it) and comes from a series with a lot of viable characters. people will likely forget about him if he gets no more appearances in his series. the other 3rd parties are mostly huge gaming icons who deserve a spot

Nice counterargument, fag.

WHO STILL IN HERE?

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you can feel free to try and prove me wrong, joker is the least worthwhile third party in the game

Nope, that falls with Bayonetta. She's apart of a new franchise that really no one gives a fuck about yet, although it's a good series. SMT/Persona is pretty much a staple franchise for Japanese fans. But I agree Joker is the worst rep for it.

What if Joker's cut, but instead it's because they're using the P6 protag instead?

>cloud has NO chance of returning
IT'S NOT FAIR HE'S THE ONLY FUN SWORD

Make it like melee and it'll be perfect

I'm not going to try to tell you what to think.
I'm just going to tell you that he's not going anywhere.

I dunno, I'd argue Diddy is about peach-tier in terms of secondaries. He's in pretty much every DK game, and he's in a good chunk of the spin-offs. Looking back, it's actually kinda surprising he wasn't in Melee even.

JUST GIVE ME BANJO THATS ALL I WANT

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bayonetta is published by nintendo now

that would be even more retarded than just keeping joker in, which is extremely retarded on its own

you shit talk me for counterarguments but you can't provide one, swell

Why the fuck do you autists do this? The game has been out for six months, why are you already thinking abour who might be cut in a new game?

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Sorry dude, Sakurai loves Xenoblade, expect Rex to show up in the next game aswell, if Sakurai is still at the helm by then that is.

diddy isn't even close to peach-tier. At best he's close to zelda and that's pushing it a lot

I stopped playing ultimate months ago but I enjoy theory crafting

That's implying that Persona 6 will actually release before the next Smash.

Atlus and Sega will spend YEARS milking the P5 train like they did with P3/P4, and then Persona 6 will inevitably spend forever in development hell before it finally comes out.

>Move Joker to 50/50
Let's be honest, by tbe time P6 comes out Joker will become literal who for most normalfags and "fans" of P5. They will move on to the new cast and waifus.

>Untouchable
Sheik drops down to 50:50. The original 3 tri-force wielders are adequate.
>Least Likely
Inkling moved up to untouchable due to extreme Splatoon popularity. King K Rool dropped down to 50:50 or lower unless Nintendo applies his added popularity from Smash into him being a villain in the main Donkey Kong titles. This seems unlikely.
>50:50
Rosalina bumped into Least Likely. Incenaroar, Dark Pit, MegaMan, Belmonts, and Pac-Man bumped down to Most Likely
>Most likely
Piranha Plant bumped to Least Likely category due to time investment creating its unique moveset in Ultimate and Nintendo's plans of increasing Mario character presence. Wii Fit Trainer and Bayonetta bumped to 50:50. The former is useful for QoL stuff, the latter for maintaining good relations with P*.

There's no argument I can provide to convince you otherwise, as you're so brickheadedly set on the fact that he won't be in the next game, so all I can do is wait for the next game to prove you wrong.

Well, if that's the case, why would K. Rool return but not Diddy? I love K. Rool, but I don't see how he'd return but not Diddy. What gives him an edge over the other?

how about trying to give something objective that goes against "joker being the least important third party" instead of trying to sway my opinion

assuming the next game is brand new and cuts people. we can also assume that the new game is underway already. 2024/5 would be the time frame.
Joker is a good bet to be cut.
>non nintendo character
>not iconic
>wont get new games down the line. SMT/persona games yes but Joker wont be a big part.
he would not bring in sales by that point.

Solid Snake is another one that would be on the chopping block. Konami does not seem to want to do anything of worth with metal gear. while he is iconic he will fade in to the background.

Uhh user.
Mechanics and gameplay are attached to characters. The mechanics and gameplay that I like in smash literally wouldn't exist.

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rival to the main character

I don't play smash but what the fuck is the point of it, if you're just gonna have the same characters every time?
shouldnt they just mix it and only have some iconic and varied roster? or are they literally going to add only flavor of the year characters like Joker from now on?

Even if Nintendo were to release a new Smash game, I don't see many players leaving Ultimate to play it. Kind of like how there are Melee purists.

joker was thankfully an exception, additions to smash are pretty good

>the next console's smash is an upgraded Ultimate
You know what, if they at least make a new theme/layout and add a good chunk of content, I'd be down. I'd love it if they could upgrade Bomberman to a character too

>Cutfag threads

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It's time to let Jigglypuff go
>BUT MUH ORIGUNAL 12
Jigglypuff was going to be cut in Brawl, but faggot Sonic saved her ass

>With Smash Ultimate being such a gargantuan game for the series creator, Masahiro Sakurai, to work on, he says in an interview with Famitsu magazine (translated by Source Gaming) that for the next entry in the series “the number of fighters is likely to decrease.”

Well, no shit.

Having everyone more than once takes away the charm of having everyone.

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I can't believe that THE Masahiro "Brawl will be the last Smash" Sakurai would say something like this?!

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>People are against 3rd Party characters from series that change out the cast.
>But people are okay with Cloud, who hasn't appeared in any FF games that aren't FF7 related or spinoffs and otherwise.
What's with the insincerity? What if one or of the last two DLC characters come from 3rd Party series with rotating casts? Like what if fucking Ezio or whoever made it into Smash? Would they be derided because they're from a series that rotates the cast?

I keep hearing this but could never find a source, pretty sure it's horseshit if iwata was willing to greenlight smash 4 without sakurai even knowing

>what is pressure from your bosses
>really thinks Smash is gonna get to MUGEN tier roasters

cloud is an icon, he's the face of the jRPG genre

This thread is fucking trash and I don't even know why I clicked on it.

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Shulk needs to go. Already irrelevant and even more so by the time Smash 6 rolls around

Do you really want them to just keep adding on characters but never really improve or rework anything else about the game?

thanks for confirming you're pulling shit out of your ass

shulk is the marth of the series, he's not going anywhere

FF7 is one of the biggest games of all time mate

>Xenoblade's Marth

I dunno. Didn't the newer Xeno games sell pretty well? I'm wondering if he'll just get switched out for a newer protag or something.

Roy
Doctor Mario
Pichu
Young Link
Jigglypuff
Plant
Incineroar
Chrom
Dark Pit

There I made space for lots of newcomers.

Cloud has showed up in multiple games over the years. he is iconic to video gaming. his game kick started the 3d RPGs and many weebs in the west.

Joker is a literal who from a franchise that is very small over all. its like dragon quest. super generic and will always have a new game with a new cast. none of the old cast sticks with the community besides the waifus.

And you're against characters that aren't as well known being part of Smash? When the game already has a bunch?

I don't deny that.

series firsts never get replaced, the closest was ness about to be for lucas but that didn't happen

when it comes to third parties, they should either be iconic, related to nintendo historically, or both. First parties can be anything

Just because the cutfag is soccerguy doesn't make it any less retarded. You have literally the best roster in fighting game history all lovingly rendered and animated. The advancements in graphics the next generation could make aren't worth redoing everything from scratch. There is no gameplay improvements that could be made that would be worth cutting the fuck out of the roster because you can already play melee if you want that. There is no reason to toss everything in the trash. It's just a bad idea.
The correct path from ultimate is by porting and building upon it. Under a new director while Sakurai takes a well deserved break. You could then have a game with a roster better than ultimate, a story mode better than subspace, mechanics more fun competitively than they are in melee and as fun for casual gameplay as smash always has been.

you have to think as someone who wants to sell as much as possible.
you have a huge roaster to pick from but only 30 slots to pick. people will expect some new comers and the Nintendo standards. that would be over half the roaster. from there it is a choice on who would draw people in.
in 5-6 years will Joker be a character that will draw a large amount of people in?

>There is no gameplay improvements that could be made that would be worth cutting the fuck out of the roster
how would you know that? The fact you bring up melee right after proves there can be

Keyword worth.

again, how would you know that? Ultimate already has the novelty of having a fuck huge roster

Reminder that no one actually likes Impa and people want her for the sake of having a new Zelda rep

Sheik is pretty much a lesser Captain Falcon in that she's a Smash character more than a Zelda one nowadays. She's a damn fine choice too

no one really likes shiek either, she's just there. Impa is at least more prevalent in the series

That's why you port it so you get the gameplay improvements in addition to the fuckhueg roster. In fact you'll have more time for gameplay improvements.

Sheik had a cool twist to her, Impa was never more than a walking exposition dump

Also Sheik is in Smash Brothers while Impa isn't. That's telling

the most basic reason?
because they would have to keep paying the licensees for all of the content they dont own. on top of that sales would drop off real fast and back lash would grow.
>lazy fucking nintendo porting the same switch game for decades!
>oh man cant wait for Super Smash Bros: Super Ultimate World Championship R# relord core+ Max Climax

>Sheik is in Smash Brothers while Impa isn't
due to a transformation of zelda that no longer exists

impa had a twist to her too in SS

>impa was never more than a walking exposition dump
that's exactly what shiek is. Actually impa actually does shit in some of the zelda games

i like sheik

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>we will never get Hyrule warriors Impa and Ganondorf in these games

Based
Cringe

I feel like the next Smash is fucked regardless then. A smash game with good core gameplay and no characters that I like to play already exists and I already don't play it.

jigglypuff over mewtwo?
No falco?
No isabelle?
Add minmin/spring man and Rex+Pyra and you are pretty close tho.

Also, Greninja is quite safe, he is massively popular.

>cutfags

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yes they are damned if they do, damned if they dont.

they can keep trying to farm the same game for decades. turning it in to a live service. nintendo might be able to pull it off but does it sound like something you want in reality?

or
they can cut back with a new game that changes and adds things. making a game that is reasonable to produce and maintain for a while.

springman is a maybe if arms gets more games. I don't see rex/pyra being core. Isabelle is not a mainstay because villager exists, jigglypuff is original 12 and lucario could very well be chosen over mewtwo

>With Smash Ultimate being such a gargantuan game for the series creator, Masahiro Sakurai, to work on, he says in an interview with Famitsu magazine (translated by Source Gaming) that for the next entry in the series “the number of fighters is likely to decrease.”

Anyone who is owned directly by Nintendo has no reason to get cut. Ridley and K.Rool are in and they should be in forever, same with Wolf and Mewtwo and all the other characters that got cut once, there is literally no reason to not have these characters in unless you go full jew mode and make them DLC.

The only characters that are excusable to cut in the foreseeable future are pic related, including Banjo. If they belong to Nintendo and no hoops have to be jumped through to keep them, they stay in, no ifs ands or buts.

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And it begins. Stevefags turning into Cutfags.

>Letting sakurai make another smash game
cough cough cough hack

>Corrin stays in
Fucking cursed timeline

Mentally preparing mysefl already. Honestly though, Ultimate's roster is bloated with charcters that barely qualify as Nintendo allstars, let alone gaming icons.
>Roy and Chrom
>Jigglypuff
>Pichu
>Greninja

Give me a valid reason why any of these should stay.

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>Anyone who is owned directly by Nintendo has no reason to get cut.
There is absolutely no reason to keep Young Link and Pichu.

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>cutting greninja over incineroar

For the next Smash they will either have to really retool the gameplay and/or change up movesets entirely, or go all in on an adventure story mode in addition to a bunch of other game mode shit.

It's going to be really, REALLY had to top ultimate.

Corrin is fun.

You can replace them with other fun characters that are more deserving and less cringy. Did you play her game or FE Warriors?

ultimate only has the roster to prop itself up. The gameplay mechanics are decent too but not on the level of melee. Everything else is a dumpster fire from single player to online

I forgot him.
To be fair he's at least more distinct both moveset and personality wise, even if his design is worse.
I wouldn't mind cutting both but then Smash's Pokemon reps are almost all Kanto.

lucario and stay and whatever other shillmon they add

>another new shillmon
I'd rather have them add something from gen 3 or 5 that proved lasting popularity instead of picking furbait before the game is released and crossing their fingers it ends up popular.

This. Also fix some characters. Fix Samus. Make Ike fast like in his games and give him his shockwave. Reskin Luigi's moveset into a full LM3 arsenal. Keep on making Ganondorf a bit more unique every time. Link should be fully akin to his BOTW appearance instead of the half-measure we got. Etc

And bring back trophies

samus is fine in ultimate

Here are your potential newcomers based on shill picks, upgrades, and possible dlc.

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No she isn't. Have you ever played a Metroid game?

he's also far less prominent in the series than diddy. k rool hasn't been in an actual donkey kong game in over a decade.

Mac is more iconic but Xenoblade is far from dead

>Dark Samus as a skin
Nah.
>Cut Zero Suit Samus
>Give Dark Samus a mostly unique moveset
This would give Metroid perfect representation.

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no cuts shut up

the game is barely one year old and you faggots are already talking about the NEXT fucking game's roster? jesus christ

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Corrin has been my shit since the first bits about fates were coming from japan. l like the character so much that I'm largely basing the main antagonist of the project I'm working on right now on him (obviously with an in-story awareness of how people feel about the character and lots of adjustments to make him genuinely appealing and fun to most people.)

The reason that I can get so attached to a character that has been treated so horribly by (meta) circumstances is because I'm someone who cares more about ideas than reality and retarded shit in stories never really bugs me.
In this way I am looking at the character entirely for what they are, which is a naive, polite and sort of awkward armored giraffe-dragon water jesus with a chainsaw sword, lances and jaws for hands and a tard rage mode that's defined by neutrality and oscillation of fate. Plus antlered helmets and cute barefoot girls are my fetish. From this perspective, there is literally not a single character in smash that can compare or a single character in fiction that could replace him.

Even though the gameplay is also my favorite in smash for reasons I can't get into cause I gotta get up early to hit the beach tomorrow, if it makes you happy I'd be fine with him being attached to another character dragon quest style as long as he's still playable in the game.

cut wolf for Ike and then your list doesnt look that unrealistic

>Sakurai himself says cuts will probably have to happen
>Anti-cutfags lose their shit
Sorry fag, but cuts are almost guaranteed if only for logistical reasons. People have been telling you this for ages but you just won't listen; a roster this massive isn't sustainable.

>Green = Give a more unique moveset or cut
>Blue = turn into an alt
>Red = Cut
thoughts?

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>Still wanting 3 Links

>Marth clones
Skin 'em
>Richter
Skin 'im
>Isabelle
Skin 'er

I like peach having 8 more costumes. You can merge echo characters inyo the screen, you know? You press Y on the gamecube control to quickly swich between when you select a character.

basically this is gonna be our roster in the next 6 years or so, i can dig it

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They should go back first party only

It won't be Ezio, it will be Connor.

>Sonic
>Least likely
He is untouchable as of now, he will remain a 3rd party staple of Smash Brothers forever.

>sakurai says cuts are likely after ssb4 development
>next game has 0 cuts anyway and cutfags refuse to acknowledge this to continue their fanfiction about how x character will be gone

epic

Churned this out.
In my proposal Lucina would inherit Chrom's moveset except for his up-b and maybe neutral-b.
Thoughts?

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You forgot:
>rework Samus to not be shit

Are cutfags mentally ill?

Rosalina's staying, she's a main mario character with a gimmick, nintendo loves that shit

any cutfag who sees this character immediately froths at the mouth, so i'd say yes

cutfags are the worst of any smashfag

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They can either keep bringing over every previous fighter and gradually add less and less new stuff every installment, or they can cut some characters to focus on reworking others and adding new features.
It's less that people want certain characters to be cut, though that's also partly the reason for some, and more that we have to acknowledge that this amount of characters was already hard for Sakurai and co to do, and affected the amount of content the game had at launch, so it's likely that they wont keep it going forward.

> WAAAAAH DON'T CUT!!!
You zoomers disgust me, all these characters are the reason why there is barely any single player content in the game to begin with. No trophies, break the targets, home-run contest, adventure mode, masterpieces etc.. because we have this shitty big roster.

Fuck off, let Sakurai cut characters and put more single player content, cutting stuff like break the targets, which has been there since 64 is an even bigger crime than cutting characters nobody cares about.

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>4 had 58 characters
>Ultimate has 82 and counting
You have to realise what a massive difference that is.

>to focus on reworking others and adding new features.
Why?

>and more that we have to acknowledge that this amount of characters was already hard for Sakurai and co to do
Just like it was in Brawl and SSB4, right, cutfag?

>and affected the amount of content the game had at launch,
Oh no they replaced meme modes people only play once for actual characters the vast majority of the playerbase actually cares about, the horror!

> meme mode
ZOOM ZOOM

>No third party is safe.
Pretty sure Sonic is. At most I can see them replacing him with his classic version.

they are meme modes though

cope, you only played break the targets for a few minutes, they're gonna add it as free DLC anyway most likely down the line

>why
because it'll be pretty bad if every new smash game is gonna be pretty much just ultimate with 5 new characters
also some characters definitely need reworks, like Samus for example

>just like it was in brawl ssb4
see >replaced meme modes no one cares about
there's enough people that actually enjoy these modes, don't talk for everyone just because you don't and would rather have 4 versions of marth

Wasn’t Jigglypuff on the chopping block for both Brawl and 4? I don’t see why everyone assumes she’s a permanent fixture.

Less than the difference between Brawl and SSB4.

>muh single player content

good thing is a multiplayer game then.

with multiplayer that could greatly be improved if it was allowed more time to be developed

Improved how?

> N-NO MORE CHARACTERS! PLEASE DON'T CUT MY WAIFU!!!
Neck yourselves zoomer scum

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it's already pretty good, user. take the L

>no argument
calling people zoomer doesn't prove your point

Only zoomers think more characters are good because they think Ultimate is the best game, you will never now the feeling of getting someone cut during Brawl and Wii U

>N-NO CUT CHARACTERS!! I NEED MY THEORY ABOUT WHY MARIO WILL BE CUT FROM THE NEXT SMASH GAME TO BE PROVEN RIGHT
Neck yourselves cutfag scum

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I'm not talking about the literal numerical difference

I can't help but think that Falco is safe, or at least more likely to remain than Wolf.

I'm just happy that my King Dedede is in here.

Still less than the difference between Brawl and SSB4.

>more modes
>better netcode
>just generally better ways to find matches
The current way with arenas and rulesets is not the way to go, even Sm4sh handled it better

dude, you have no idea how happy i was with Mewtwo being back. it seems to me you want characters cut to make people seethe.that just makes you an asshole.

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cutting shit isn't going to make online better

Imagine not caring about proper balance or more content like trophies and targets which has been there for decades

Rosterfags like you deserve death,

Do you not understand that the overall number still increases?
They don't just have to add the new characters, they also have to tweak and partially rework old ones on top of that.

sausage party

Retard, less characters = more single player content

Trophies and home-run contest getting cut is unacceptable

Multiplayer content is more important than single player content.

But it gives them more time to atleast try.

So? It's still less than the difference between Brawl and SSB4. Ultimate is effectively an enhanced port wheras SSB4 was made from the ground up.

I have the solution
Split up Smash Bros into more managable fighting games
- Mushroom Kingdom Melee
- Hyrule Hijinks
- Fire Emblem Fighters
etc

Less characters also translates to more multiplayer content, just not in the form of playable characters.

refer to this

How about a spin off? A smash side series with only Pokemon characters could be really nice.

Because it'd be cancer getting everyone back again. I don't think you realize how expensive it is to create all of them and get their rights. It almost didn't happen because of Square Enix. But of course, the next game will seem inferior because of its decrease in scale. It's not likely to have any amazing new gameplay wise either.

There should be a proper balance between both retard, don't be an entitled American retard right now

Just accept it, more characters is shit and we need to fix it

Let's discuss a Phos moveset (with full knowledge that she's never gonna be in smash). I'd love to see her taking visible permanent damage as her percentage increases, with more and more pieces falling off of her.

pic related would be 999% Phos about to unleash her final smash.

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>Less characters also translates to more multiplayer content
No it doesn't. Characters are the greatest thing you can add to increase multiplayer replayability.

What does Pokemon Sword have to do with this? Stop moving the goalpost when you are losing an argument

> Characters are the greatest thing you can add to increase replayability.
Imagine actually believing this.

Smash zoomers are truly retarded, I bet you were born after 1995

cutfags are masuda in disguise: cutting shit thinking it'll trade off with other things, when it clearly doesn't.

>There should be a proper balance between both
Nope. Multiplayer is far more important to the vast majority of the player base. People don't play Smash to break their home run contest score. They do it to screw around with their friends with items on or to have competitive 1v1s.

I'd imagine the majority of the first party characters will stay, and third party staples like Sonic, Bayonetta, maybe Snake will return. Probably one of the Belmont brothers as well.

>proper balance
Ultimate is the most balanced smash game so far. Other games had broken bullshit with Fox and Metaknight.
>trophies and targets
A neat distraction but not really the meat of the game. I can see a case for adventure mode or subspace being brought back but nobody really spent more than 20 minutes in break the targets.

Pokémon could probably support it's own Smash-style fighter pretty well, unironically.

There’s fucking nothing compelling at all to do at all in single player.
Fuck adding more characters as dlc I wish they’d add an adventure mode or story mode. I got tired of the (bad) online after a week and now there’s literally nothing to do with the massive cast of characters. It’s retarded.

>puff
>maybe cut
the originals from 64 are safe, and Puff being fairly popular in smash, and in Japan in general, kinda helps her.

Mario, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Pokemon
Plus Nintendo VS game with iconic Nintendo and third party

Yes, the difference is less because the overall workload to keep the old ones increases, even if you're still gonna call Ultimate a port they redid most of the models, hitboxes and animations, so effectively they made every character from scratch beyond the planning phase.
If they keep everything going forward "ports" is all you're getting, with a lack of side content, as the number of new comers dwindles and dwindles.

it really is, smash would've never sold as well as it did if there wasn't nintendo characters in it. it's a fanservice game for fucks sake

The absolute state of Smash zoomers, holy shit

Screencapping this Whole thread and going to laugh at you fuckers when you are getting BTFO the next time, enjoy less characters!

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t. zoomer

>some people in this thread would rather have 4 marths than more content

Jigglypuff is a piranha plant grade character without the benefit of having a moveset designed this century. The sooner it’s cut the better.

Cope more

>cutfags are stevefag this whole time
>calling anticutfags zoomers

how's that discord doing?

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>piranha plant grade character
elaborate

>some people in this thread would rather have a trophy they look at for 2 seconds and then forget about for the rest of time over more playable characters

Seeing as Bayonetta is pretty much a series bought by Nintendo I'd say its pretty much guaranteed to not be cut

>no argument again
go outside

Holy shit that explains why there's two of those threads up right now.

Kill yourself weebshitter

> implying there'll ever be another smash game
why bother, we've peaked? Just keep adding characters and if the switch ever dies just make a deluxe port or something. We don't need a new smash game

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>so effectively they made every character from scratch beyond the planning phase.
Nope. Many of the models and the moves are the same. If they need more time they can simply work on the game longer. It isn't complex, cutfag.

>"ports" is all you're getting
Better than cutting content for no reason.

Stop being retarded for once, trophies are better than spirits and marked the first time certain characters were seen in 3D

You are a zoomer if you honestly believe more characters is better than proper balance, you clearly know shit about game Development and just want a MUGEN roster

i think you need to cope, my friend

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the game is properly balanced, douche! what more balance could you want?
>GAME MODES ILL PLAY FOR 5 MINUTES
single player modes like HRC and targets are not balance, and even then can be added as free DLC later.

Most of the moves have new animations though, so what did they port? The concept?
Plus you can easily see that alot of the models are new or atleast reworked, even ones you wouldn't expect to change like Mario.
Also the game is supposed to come out reasonably in a consoles lifetime.

It wouldn't be for no reason, it would be to add more content besides playable characters.

>diddy isn't on the level of luigi/peach/zelda/charizard as a secondary
He's a much bigger secondary in the DK games than all of these but Luigi.
K. Rool has nothing whatsoever on him.

t. Zoomer who didn't grow up with 64 and Melee

Playing those stuff gave you rewards retard, you unlocked Luigi by playing targets

>Wolf
Care to explain why he'd be picked over, let's say, Diddy Kong?

>play targets to unlock Luigi
>never touch it again
>play multi-man melee to unlock Falco
>never touch it again

>"We don't need extra modes because i don't play them"
I don't play Fire Emblem character so i guess we don't need those either, ey?

> He's still trying
Keep typing shit like this, going to screencap every single dumb shit you type so you can get BTFO later on

>no more rosterfagging
>100% gameplay focus
>all rosterfags cry that their shitty characters got cut
>everyone else just plays the game
>still has shit online
based but not quite redpilled

Sakurai could make a new smash game with ideas that highly differ from Ultimate, making it play very differently and not an attempt to be a direct upgrade.

Hell, he could even make a Super Smash bros game in a more traditional fighting game way. Or change how specials work, maybe make the roster smaller but with customizable moves like correcting the failure that was Custom moves in smash 4

not me, but the mentioning of zoomers nonstop, and screencapping makes me think you're the same stevefag zoomer who's into BTFO culture and never gets off the chair. it's sad.

> No argument
Travis Touchdown or bust

zoomer isn't an argument either.

Travis already got deconfirmed by Suda you silly willy.

>Instead of having people pay 60 dollars for a new game, make them pay 60 dollars for the same game, then an extra 25 dollars for minimal new content!
Delightfully devilish.

Wolf is exactly the same in Ultimate.

Pretty sure that's why it's called ultimate, it's intended as the final, definitive release. At the very least they won't release another smash until Nintendo makes a new console, should they ever

>home-run contest

That was found in the game's files alongside Stage Builder, which ended up coming back with Joker.

I'm fairly certain it'll be readded when Hero comes out for 4.0

It's called Special in Japan stupid

No he isn't

Nah fuck off. Give me back the old forward and up smash. Ultimate is too fucking short.

joker would be replaced with a new Persona MC when he comes or even better replaced for an SMT rep

Sakurai has admitted himself that Jigglypuff is incredibly low priority and would have been cut had Brawl not been delayed to add Sonic.

She's definitely on the chopping block for a paired down roster. He doesn't give a damn about muh original 12. Though I doubt hell cut any series put entirely (unless they're one off retro or hardware reps like Ice Climbers, ROB and Wii Fit Trainer)