OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Yeah I bought one out of curiosity and it had a neat wizard guy in one.

How the fuck do you even choke on a kinder egg unless you attempt to put it all in at once? A child can't even do that. The egg crumbles to fuck after the first bite and the toy cylinder drops out 90% of the time.

Oh yeah, turns out they were recently unbanned, albeit in a cucked form.

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And they will still get away with it.

How do Burgers even pronounce "Kinder"?

I see both Kinder Joy and Kinder Suprise in stores now.
The meme is dead /int/ just accept it and move on.

I think its because of the tiny and cheap as fuck plastic toys.

Is 'murica just not caring about warning signs? Here it's stated clearly the hazards are labeled as banned for toddlers from 0 to 3 years old. How hard of a concept is that?

>tfw you lived long enough to see "surprise buttsecks" return from the dead

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i just don't keep up with kinder egg news

It would only be comparable if the kinder egg was just a wrapper with a promise that by purchasing you'd have a chance at getting the egg with a smaller chance of getting the legendary rare toy inside.

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Nor do I dork. I just know I see them in stores now here.

>trying to fuck with my Kinder Egg toys
Truly an evil company to its core.

> buy loot boxes
> doesn't have item I want
> I choked
Therefore surprise mechanics are choking hazards.

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>Selling lootboxes is akin to murder
Is this yuropoor logic?

That's what I mean the only way to eat the damn thing is if you eat the egg in one bite. Maybe American's should just tell their kids to not deep throat their food?

>mfw American children are so fucking retarded that they need to be shielded from Kinder fucking Surprise

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That's no Ü-Ei.

That's some cheap imitation.

>if you allow this plastic toy you must let me play poker with your child!

kinder eggs are the lootboxes

you either get disassembled plastic figure that does nothing fun or cool ass car toy to ride around the room

Like tinder but with a k

Never underestimate the circuitous logic employed by the American legal system.
>t. Burger

>He isn't subscribed to Kinderdaily getting the latest and greatest news on kinder joys.

or a fucking cardboard puzzle

>jaywalking isn't legal
>jaywalking is literally the same as murder
That's how retarded you sound.

I mean a law about having inedible objects in food isn't a bad idea to be fair.

>UK

never got any puzzles though, the most legendary item from kinder suprise I got was an USB drive that only had one file which contains a link to some shitty flash game I don't think the drive was even writable since it was like 1 megabyte or so

it is absolutely impossible for ea to just release a good game without microtransactions

>So this is how things are done in Burgerlandia.

I know you're only 12 years old, but that's done all over the world.

the law is supposed to prevent people baking bread with tide pods inside, not a kinder surprise where 10% of the product is edible

Maybe he'd have a point if Kinder Eggs didn't come with the chocolate egg

Changing the wording of things is usually very effective. Like those women who think being a dominatrix is a clsssy job if you spell it as "domme".

From fucking EA of all sources.

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Then everything is fine.

I was suspecting something along the lines of "kind...errrr".

American school systems have a form of preschooling called Kindergarten so Kinder pronounced that way isn't too strange to us.

I had totally forgotten about it. now i have to hunt down the video and be disappointed

Wait, what.

>underage
Nobody wants you here.

nevermind. apparently it's some stupid tf2 "meme". was thinking of that porn clip from early 2000s or something

I feel like having the chocolate from the kinder eggs now, always liked the chocolate

the difference is that your reward is chocolate + surprise
loot boxes only give you the shitty surprise but nothing else of value

Just buy the bars then

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cOgo0N62ByM

loot boxes are like baseball cards.

But the egg is so soft

or carnival games, it's scummy stuff i won't lose any sleep over

>lootboxes are like physical things with limited prints and actual value
>except they're digital and you don't own anything in the game and your license for playing can be revoked if the devs want it
nah

It's not rape it's surprise sex
It's not murder it's surprise funeral
It's not kidnapping it's surprise adoption

then were is my chocolate EA!?!

Nah not any more, I see them all the time in stores now.

It's not that it is a choking hazard but a blanket law of "All food must be fully edible once unwrapped". So the toy inside is not edible

No it doesn't fag

You can actually sell those

Get the fuck out newfag piece of shit.

What about shish-kebab with the stick in it?

I love the bars, but from experience I can tell you the taste isn't 100% the same. Close, but subtle enough to make you want one over the other.

>compares them to Kinder Eggs
I thought EA didn't want lootboxes to get banned in the US

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>first people pushed that "i-if you guys do this you'll lose sports games"
>then "you'll lose arcades!"
>now SURPRISE MECHANICS
How much lower can we go, are they going to give us a shitty analogy for cosmetic rewards next

This is stupid. I'll die on the hill that it's all the parents fault. You do not let your child use your credit card. You do not let your child near your credit card. You should pay fucking attention to what your child is playing, IT'S YOUR JOB AS THE PARENT. If adults want to waste their money on lootboxes, they should be free to do so. Stupid people should be allowed to make stupid decisions.

IMAGINE BEING SO FAT

>open loot box
>get red skin for my proud Native American themed hero
>can't exchange the skin for anything of value
>open handegg cards bag
>get Redskins player card
>can trade cards in exchange of something of value
wew laddie

>LITERALLY being this new
I mean, you have your regular newfags and all but sheeeeeeeeit

>if you guys do this you'll lose sports games
God, I wish that would happen. Literally the only thing keeping EA afloat is its sports division.

How is this even a thing? How did the lawyers imagine this going?

>We are here to investigate the legality of your activities
>Oh we don't call them activities.
>Our mistake. Investigation over.

Is a box somehow more gambling than a surprise? How many levels of hyperreality are we even on? Is this even language?

It isn't comparable. When you buy a kinder egg you're paying to eat the chocolate, not for the product inside the chocola. Loot boxes have no inherent value, only potential value, just like gambling

What about a chicken leg? Answer, Americans are retarded.

>work at Taco Bell in high school
>lardass Texas customers pronounce Fiery as “Fieri”
>don’t know basic Mexican-Spanish phonetics despite living around them their entire lives
>Tay-ko, Kwesso-dilluh, Gwacka-mole...

This shit is absolutely not flavortown.

>How is this even a thing?
I literally can't even.

Uh yeah. The problem is that when I buy a kinder egg, I'm paying for the chocolate with the toy inside being a bonus. The hell is the chocolate part in the loot boxes?

>fight so damn much for lootboxes because they're incapable of making a good game that sells
It's not like they don't make sequels year after year with lootboxes in them
lmao

Now now Mr Shekelgrubber

Are they even wrong?

I mean, what's actually different between lootboxes and shit like card game booster packs or anything else where you buy an unknown item and hope it's what you want?

It's a shitty anti-consumer practice but it's not magically distinct from the dozens of shitty anti-consumer practices that have plagued children's toys for fucking decades. You guys think F2P gachashit was the first to realize that you could make a fucking mint getting kids to annoy their parents into buying the same shit over and over? We had fucking Crazy Bones and shit when I was in elementary school, my parents grew up with baseball cards, this type of thing has been around for as long as I can remember.

Do you own what you get from the lootboxes?

Die schwuchtel variante zum löffeln mit creme gibts seit jahrzehnten du behinderter.

Why is the UK so retarded?

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Why are fortune cookies legal then?

shiny pixels on your screen

Or women?

Technically you’re paying for content you ALREADY own with lootboxes, since it’s all in the data you already paid for.

Lootbox pigs are absolutely cucked.

By this logic the very sale of video games is exploitative since you can't sell those either.

>buy $59.99 digital game with no option to resell it
>buy $1.99 booster pack of random shit with no option to resell it

Why is the second one malicious but the first one gets a pass?

Physical shit can be resold. Gacha shit is account bound so you have to sell everything if you want to sell.

paper is comestible.

Weatherspoon's large mixed grill is a feast though.

meant for

But it is the parents fault! You shouldn't let kids do anything that could be addictive because they do not know better, but an adult can eat themselves to death if they want.

i sure do hope government officials aren't retarded enough not to see through this very obvious attempt to abuse semantics and lie to everybody

these fucking shits need to go down

You can trade the trading cards though

TF2 memes were kino you dumb zoomer
youtube.com/watch?v=r8Yychv6snc

See
I can't resell any of the games I buy from the Playstation Store or Steam or whatever either. That's inherent to the medium itself, not to the type of transaction.

If your hang-up is that "you're buying things you can't re-sell", that's not a lootbox problem, it's a "selling any form of digital license" problem.

If, on the other hand, your hang-up is that you're buying a random chance to acquire something (which is what everyone's actual hang-up is, since it's being compared to gambling), then you have to concede it's basically the same as any trading card booster back shit.

There's a reason gachapon games got that name, it's because they're identical to vending machine random toy "gachapon" machines.

>he doesn't go to r/kinderegg

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If UK food is so bad, why do we produce the best chefs in the world?

Pirating is now called surprise discounts or a surprise winrar like free trials

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Because there were systems in place to stop kids from blowing hundreds or thousands of dollars on those compared to lootboxes. Before, kids who tried to buy stupid amounts of cards with their parents cards would get laughed out by staff. Now, from the comfort of their home, they can blow that money in a game, because of mechanics parents may not even know about unless they actually played the game for a meaningful amount.

This isn't like song lyrics, or violent tv, were a parent can easily identify what they don't want their kid is exposed to. Lootboxes are placed into the mechanics of the game and conspicuously absent from marketing that parents would be aware of. Because it's all a shitty system built to exploit flaws in child and family psychology.

You just borrow from the french

And so we have come full circle.

fuck off spic

Shish-kebabs are a method of serving. Same reason for ice pops. That and 90% of the time it is wood which falls under "edible"
Part of the meat. It's a dumb law but at least stops greedy companies from selling a cake but it is just a frosted sponge

Parents are busy and games aren't supposed to be slot machines.

>Best chefs
>Not most popular and media marketable

I'll play your game though, and the answer is the lot them are trained in France.

t. Bong

>they can blow that money in a game, because of mechanics parents may not even know about unless they actually played the game for a meaningful amount.
And gave their kids access to their fucking credit cards.

Remember when iPhones first came out and there were all those news stories about kids that spent like $10,000 because their parents gave them the password to the account and there was nothing stopping them from making it rain in the app store? It's the same problem.

Which is to say, it's a problem with the way the transaction system is set up. Not the type of transaction being used.

>implying lawmakers are this retarded

Kinder eggs are not quite comparable to loot boxes, as the kinder eggs and the chocolate and toys therein aren't aimed to enhance the perceived enjoyment of another product. Lootboxes aren't useful by themselves. They're embedded in a game which may or may not be designed to hamper you enjoyment of it, unless you invest in the loot boxes. That's not even factoring in that you're getting something physical with the purchase of a kinder egg, something you can keep, even if Kinder decided tomorrow to cease production forever. Also, the "drop rates" of the special series in kinder eggs are significantly higher than in your average loot box and they aren't sold in quality tiers. Also, your bank/paypal account usually isn't tied to some button on your desk, that instantly materializes more kinder eggs right in front of you, if you feel frustrated that you didn't get the toy you wanted in the batch you just opened.

That aside, the whole debate, about whether it's gambling or not isn't really aiming at the heart of the matter. People try to classify it as gambling, because gambling is, usually, regulated and constrained by law. This leads to inane debates whether lootboxes fullfill some definition of gambling that has been written maybe a hundred years ago. What should be discussed is that lootboxes are, as they are embedded within games, designed to trigger your collector instinct, tied to a randomized reward table that you don't even know the success chance of. It's a new kind of beast that, similar to gambling, can lead you to look past your inhibitions about being prudent with your money. It needs to be regulated, regardless of whether it can be classified as gambling or not, either by coming up with a new set of rules under a new name, or expanding the definition of gambling, to include this new type of manipulative shit.

>EA IS TRYING TO USE A FUCKING FOOD ANALOGY

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The term "surprise funeral" is the only good thing to come from this bullshit.

It's like survival of the fittest, only with culinary skills.

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If the game says 16+ on the box, DON'T BUY IT FOR YOUR KIDS YOU STUPID PARENT. I understand being a parent is hard, but that's the most basic of things you have to go through when buying your kids a new toy, you make sure the toy fits the kid. Put some goddamn responsability on the parents man.

go nuts y'all

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>Implying you can freely trade boxes and their contents between other players outside of the provider's influence.
Reminder that there is basically no direct cost to provide 2, or 5, or 10, or 100, or a Million Billion Trillion Thousand times more "Surprise Mechanics" for the same price as one.

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If the UK produces the best chefs in the world why is every culinary term in French?

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This thing has been a hilarious clownfest.

>when you know the majority of the users buying your loot boxes are kids but you sure as fuck do not want to admit it

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>isn't a gang, is a well trained militia
Based land of the free.

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man Maul Sören

for get kids I just want better games

You dumb mother fuckers they aren't "unbanned" the food law here dictates that no food can be sold with an inedible piece in it. I don't know why it's fine for a t-bone steak or a salmon to have bones in it, but kinder eggs cant have a plastic core. Kinder joy has the toy seperate from candy. The is the reason why.
KYS 3rd world retards

>bones are inedible
Hello jawlet.

>It wasn‘t rape. It was a surprise intercourse.

Whats unironically the difference between:
loot boxes (lets assume only cosmetics) and TCG with booster packs and Kinder surprise eggs?

You don't actually own the stuff you get from lootboxes.

Don’t buy EA games.
Problem solved

>Can't buy food because of choking hazards
>But can buy weapons and ammo in the same store

Amazing moral compass America

Kinder surprise are food with the bonus of a toy.
TCG are a physical medium, and you can buy any single card to boot.
Loot boxes are a scam.

Physical items can be sold/traded. Loot box goods are only good for the game the person selling it says you can use it for and they return to the void once support for the game is gone.

Compares loot boxes to a products morons and kids are known to choke on.

I mean they are like kinder eggs
both are going to be illegal soon

>they aren't "unbanned"
I literally bought one yesterday, is my local convenience store a teleporter to the UK?

Super Intendent i was just uhh... playing Anthem on the PS4, classic looter shooter! care to join me?

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the random content of the surprise egg isn't addictive or intended to target people who spend impulsively, and the value of the toy inside the egg doesn't have a wide range from the least expensive and most expensive toy you can find. The rng content doesn't pay for itself in its potential worth and it can't sucker in people who want a valuable toy for a cheaper price than a certain guaranteed toy that is always at a more expensive fixed price
its a blatant false equivalency and I hope they get fucked in court. It was a huge mistake to compare that and you can tell she knows because shes nervous.

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Have you ever seen a baby, user? They eat almost everything, they see shiny colorful plastic bits and start putting them in their mouth. They don't have the capability to realize "hey, this doesn't seem to be food, I should spit it out", they start swallowing it.

Have you ever seen a Kinder Egg, user? Envelope clearly says is for children over 3 years.

The companies don't have specific animations designed in the same way as slot machines to make players/payers want to buy more.
They also don't have tiered versions where if you pay 2 dollars more you get a better chance of getting that thing you want. They also don't have in some cases a 60+ dollar entrance fee to the product to be able to buy kinder eggs or booster packs. Along with that, kinder egg prizes aren't specifically designed to make someone addicted and buy more, most are just crappy toys, and the same applies to cards which most players just buy what they want in order to build the deck they want.

>Baseball cards are physical
>Baseball cards arnt tied to a 60 dollar product
>Baseball cards can be traded in real life
>Baseball cards wont magicly disapear from existance when the company decides to stop production
how fucking stupid are you

More europoor lies, but hey why not fund a new research project on "how red is TOO red?" Or something? Maybe even ban or tax an entire color spectrum next.

bones aren't inedible. just really hard to eat.

>>buy $59.99 digital game with no option to resell it
being a digital only cuck

It's useless. You can try, they're braindead.

A company can sell many more times more lootboxes at no direct cost to them.
booster packs and surprise eggs can't do that because they actually have to make, sell, and deliver them.

That's because they're just like EA products. They taste like shit and can literally kill you.

man lawyers really suck these days dont they
this reminds me of the Gawker case where the lawyer made a sarcastic joke about pedophilia after taking an outh thinking people would laugh

Ostensibly trading cards aren't gambling because every pack has the same number of commons, uncommons, and rares, and a rare is worth as much as any other rare (so says the trading card companies) so every pack is worth the same. If there's no prize to win, then there's no gambling. We all know that's bullshit because of the secondary market but no one's ever actually challenged them on it and trading card companies just pretend secondary markets don't exist. Reminder, every time WotC has said they won't reprint certain cards, they never mention the secondary market, they say it's for "collectors."

I knew a dude that ate the bones with his ribs and chicken. You're just a weakling.

I think it's more like one retarded kid ruined it for all the other kids

Ey coppa, wadda ya mean with ''eeleegal alcohol distribution''?
its just ''unda da table funny drinks'' friend, have one on da house

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Why are they all trained in France?

EA is fighting hard because if they dont have Lootboxes they wont be able to pay for the Sports licenses, FIFA and the NFL have only increased the prices of the license after Lootboxes made all that money
this might be the end

What bothers me the most is that EA are intrinsically the ones more linked to Loot Boxes more than any other publisher, besides the gacha market that uses alternative terms and methods for the same results. EA effectively popularized and then tenderized loot boxes, but the moment their asses get dragged before a committee for investigation, they pull this stunt like little Davey just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and is like 'but they're not cookies, they're breaded wafers and therefore it's alright to take them'.

The law dates back to when the FDA was founded after a doctor killed a bunch of kids by treating their colds with antifreeze.

Baseball cards are standalone products though, lootboxes ate shoehorned into already shitty games for more profit.

Because I paid 59$ for a game that I wanted, and known the name of. It's a single product, and denying it is as retarded as comparing a 30$ blowjob to a lootbox, even in the scope of it being a service that isn't "tradeable" afterwards.

"Surprise Mechanics Lootboxes", on the other hand, are gambling. You pay for a chance to obtain whatever you wished you wanted.

>le french
>puts le butter in le everything
>voilá
yikes

>Sportshit dies and EA might go under
Oh no, that sucks...

Based and kinder egg buyer at 20+ years old poster

That's Belgians for you, not French.

L2rn 2 cope

>cooking is so shit that you have to borrow basic techniques because your food isn't edible

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Yes, only sport
>meanwhile at Rockshit Games

this is actually good news, Rockstar would be forced to make story expansions again

imagine if we could get fun sports games back again, a new skate or ssx would be fucking great

>You suck at cooking so much you need to learn to put butter in stuff

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>REEE DONT CENSOR MY TIFA REEEE
>lulululul get fukt EA
I hate you guys

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sooprise BUTTSECKS
BUTT SECKS BUTT SECKS
BUTT BUTT BUTT BUTT BUTT BUTT BUTT SECKS

That's okay, I hate you too user

It's not the same. In case of Trading Card Games you can get the cards you want and dispose of the cards you don't on the secondary market. When it comes to loot boxes/gatcha the only way to get what you want is the insane grinder you have to go back to over ad over again.

>the mutt
>say dumb shit on the internet
>american education
welp

Nope. Got some myself. Didn't choke once.

People should be allowed to buy what they want. The only reason I'm against microtransactions is because they are ruining video games but I don't get to deciede what is legal based on what I like.

Kids are retarded and will put everything into their mouths
>older brother of 4

>People should be allowed to buy what they want
Freedom should only be given after proper education
Most people are retards when it comes to money

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I should be allowed to buy what I want. The rest of you can fuck off

The fuck, did the person who animated this order a full English, throw 90% of it on the floor and draw the rest? Black pudding, an egg and what I assume is marmite on toast isn't a meal, it's like showing a pickle, some Kraft cheese slices and a dollop of cool whip and saying that's American food

To get away from the shitty food

>tfw losing a years allowance trying to get a damn wolf

So what you're saying is they have to let us keep the box?

It was a lobbied in law to ban them to keep them out of the US markets I think.

all these mad frogs

That's because of the boxes tho, iirc they'd still be able to afford the licenses, some user a few threads ago made a big post about it.

Loot boxes should of course be banned for under 18s because it's child gambling, which is illegal.

As for adults: obviously I despise loot boxes and will never buy one in my entire life. But if OTHERS want to spend money on them, and as long as they're cosmetic only (so they're not affecting my game), then I see this as a good thing - it allows semi-decent games like CS:GO, Team Fortress 2, and Apex Legends, to be free for players like me, because chumps who buy pointless cosmetic items are funding it. Thanks guys, for paying for my game.

And as for microtransactions (non-random ones, unlike loot boxes) - again, I'm personally not going to use them, but if they're cosmetic only, and if they fund a game so that I can get it for cheaper, then I'm fine with that. Let the idiots spend their money so I can get a game for cheaper or free.

As for *pay to win* microtransactions, they're obviously cancer. But the market will probably reject any game like that, so we probably don't need to worry about banning them. Could ban them I guess, but it's pretty clear that people simply won't buy games that include them. Look at Battlefront II - it undersold because players don't want pay to win microtransactions in their games.

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You have Canadian import shops? Lmao that's pretty funny

Gambling has surprise mechanics

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They aren’t but they sell shitty versions where it is two plastic containers with pudding and a chocolate thing in it on one side. It is lame compared to the UK version.

ppl were choking when they saw their cash shop prices too

>you remember when Wonder Ball use to have cool toys inside them until they replaced it with hard candy because dumb kids kept choking on the balls.

>Crimes are OK if they are small
I'd murder you for littering.

If gambling is regulated, loot boxes need to be regulated as well. Valve, Epic, Riot, Hi-Rez, and all other gaming companies that shamelessly take advantage of people with addiction be damned.

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>work at taco bell

Fixed that for you

Better analogy is trading card packs, dont know why the retarded lawyer went with the fucking kinder egg, its like he wants to lose AND be ridiculed

Hot take: If you spend thousands of dollars on bing bing wahoo boxes you deserved to have that money taken from you because you're a retard.

I like how you literally just watched angry joe show and reworked his lame ass joke

Trading cards actually have worth though. It's still gambling, but loot boxes have literally 0 payout.

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>I wasn't raping her, it was surprise sex!

Licensed sportsshit existed way before all that lootbox crap, they'll continue to exist after that as well

>Battlefront 2 is currently shit cheap

Should I grab it?

>trading cards actually have worth though
Irrelevant and stupid

But you aren't buying what you want, you're buying a chance to get what you want

I'm Canadian so there's no Taco Bell here so I never had Mexican food (or even met a Mexican before) what's the difference between a Faheeta and a Fajita?

Not an argument.

>buying an EA game for any price

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>ask question
>receive the correct answer
>hurr irrelevant and stupid
You are irrelevant and stupid.

>FUCK YOU GOVERNMENT LOL WINNERS DONT USE DRUGS LOL CENSORSHIP FUCK OFF WE DONT WANT THE MAN MESSING WITH OUR GAMES
>NOOOO GOVERNMENT HELP ME BAN THE LOOTBOXES FUCKING NOW I HAVE TO WIN AN ARGUMENT ON Yea Forums

Both words coming from German, of course.

But the singleplayer has a delicious brown, right?

Same thing you fucking dunce. Fajita is pronounced "faheeta".

The same way Canadians do, Americans have similar accents to us

Yea it is, the resell value of a card is irrelevent to whether or not there is gambling involved. In fact, trading cards would be MORE culpable than lootboxes. It is an argument for why you likes the cards better, not why lootboxes arent gambling, so its also STUPID

>ask question
Retard
>receive the corrext answer
Retard
>hurr irrelevent and stupid
Retard
>you are irrelevant and stupid
Retard

What if these different opinions were from different people

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So J is really H in Mexican? That explains the Mojave desert in Fallout New Vegas

>giving a fuck about mongrel spanish mexican phonetics

Lemme rephrase
>Buing an EA game for any reason

>Implying you have to pay for the surprise inside after you pay full price for the chocolate egg

I said that it's still gambling very clearly, my point was that loot boxes and trading cards aren't comparable because one gives you literally nothing while the other has a chance of having a payout. It's like saying slots are comparable to pachinko machines or arcade token games, it's just not true.

>Giving Electronic "Six Million Isn't Enough” Arts any of your money

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>it's not rape, it's suprise sex!

I'm more worried about the fact that people are welcoming government regulation in the videogame industry because of lootboxes then I am by the lootboxes themselves. I don't think for a minute that they will stop with just killing lootboxes.

She cute though.

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It's very relevant. In US law, gambling has three criteria: Cost, Chance, and Prize. You need to have to pay to play (so "no purchase necessary" contests aren't gambling) there needs to be a certain level of chance (exactly how much chance is too much varies by state) and you have to stand to win something of value. If I offer you a chance to pick between three boxes, one containing a dollar, one containing five dollars, and one containing ten dollars, then our game fits the "prize" criteria, but if I offer you a chance to pick between three boxes which all have different items valued at five dollars (or, in our case, valued at nothing), then value-wise all boxes are the same, so there's nothing to gain, failing the "prize" criteria. Trading card companies almost never talk about the secondary market because they don't want to admit that their cards aren't all of equal value.

people of all ages like to gamble, just because your kids don't respect you and spend all of your money, and you're such a cuck that can't protect your money, that doesn't make it true for the vast majority

this isn't targeted at kids, as kids don't have access to credit cards and salaries allowing them to make frequent purchases

americans are literally retarded
>buy chocolate egg whose whole point is to get the surprise inside
>eat the whole thing

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>the market will probably reject any game like that, so we probably don't need to worry about banning them.
The reason why this new bill is getting passed is precisely because of pay to win suprise mechanics, and the fact that children are paying for them.

Who cares about US law I'm not a seppo

comparing lootboxes to rape with those mental gymnastics is pretty accurate

Lootboxes: surprise mechanics
rape: surprise sex
And in both cases only one person is having fun and the other is getting fucked

baseball cards are
>physical
>limited quantity
>cheaper
>you don't pay $60 to access the store where they sell them

meanwhile, kids are allowed to buy REAL guns.

Yeah Spanish pronounces things differently. Like "Casillas" (a Spanish goalkeeper) is pronounced "cas-ee-yas". The "ll" is basically pronounced in the same way that we pronounce "y" in English. Same with "Me llamo [name]" which means "I am called [name]". "Llamo" is pronounced "yamo", basically.

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>buy card box
>get random cards
>can use them, trade them, resell them

>buy $60 game
>on top of that, buy lootbox
>get random skins or whatever
>stuck with them until the game dies 2 years later

the people who gamble would do it anyways, at least if they spend it on games it funds developers, rather than some fucktard bar owner

Just watch cutscenes on YT you thirsty nigger

I didn't say they were exactly like baseball cards. But it is similar.
kids buy them hoping to get a good card. But are usually left disappointed. It's a form of gambling. The likelihood of making a profit on baseball cards is slim.
Video game makers would undoubtedly like to allow players to buy and sell stuff from loot-boxes, because they could make money off transaction fees. And It has been done in the past (diablo 3).

no one forces you to buy a lootbox, it's your lack of discipline or brain damage

Sounds too confusing, I'll just stick to my native languages English and Hungarian and Japanese

>America
>article is talking about EA in the UK
>with UK standards
>Kinder Eggs manufactured in the UK
>America
goddamn you are some kind of stupid

Whataboutism doesn't clear the fact that gambling is bad.

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There is a payout that has theorhetical value you just cant sell it

Regardless they are comparable, the fact that you receive something with resale value afterward is irrelevent to the gambling aspect. Restating your position doesnt make it relevant. I mean fuck sake youve made that distinction in your own post by saying "its still gambling", so what about it is "still gambling"?
>You are spending money for potential high value items, which may or may not boost your gameplay effectiveness as well. Nowhere in that sentence is a distinction between cards and boxes

>its like saying slots are comparable to pachinko or arcade games
Dishonest, you dont keep anything after an arcade game session

There is WAY more criteria than those three things and an entirebody of caselaw making distinctions. Otherwise a skittles quarter machine or random prize thing would be gambling.

>failing the prize criteria
I would agree with you but the counter is that virtual goods have a value, you just cant sell. Theorhetically if you could sell they would be worth something.

>its very relevant
No, it isnt for the purposes of that persons argument. They are saying lootboxes are gambling as opposed to cards because theyre fucking stupid

You're a Canadian who speaks Hungarian and Japanese natively? Pretty crazy. Immigrant parents or something?

>sounds too confusing, I'll just stick to a language with nearly the same pronunciation rules
welp

Whataboutism is a stupid phrase to immunize somebody from addressing or synthesizing a contradiction

Does that really change his point though? It's a relatively solid law compared to all the doozies we have.

Both are bad, mkay? Gambling. Is. Bad. Mmmmkay?

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Norman mongrel invaders

I think the comparison just reveals what purile adolescents you all are.

No, they are the same people. THis is Yea Forums we are talking about.

ok andrew

>As of 2017 Kinder Joy eggs, a variant lacking the encased toy, are sold in the United States, although Kinder Surprise eggs remain banned.
Https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder_Surprise#United_States

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No only Hungarian and English
Parents immigrated from Hungary
Yeah but Spanish is useless I don't plan on going to Texas anytime soon

Moron

>amerimutt bootlickers unironically defend lootboxes

Corporations are our friends, you commie.

"surprise mechanics"
aka gambling

EA is inept

God this is making my head hurt. Anyone wanna go out for a tobacco roll?

Gumball machines aren't gambling because all the gumballs are essentially the same items with the same values. There's no prize. If you assume that every item in the lootbox is essentially the same item with the same value, then there's nothing to win.

That said, "if you assume," which is obviously bullshit. If they at least standardized the drops like trading cards do it would be a much more meaningful defense. I'm surprised EA hasn't pointed out that you can win boxes through play though.

>"B-But it w-wasn't rape"
>"I-It w-was surprise sex"

it's a hazard for toddlers

imagine living in a county that says its free but you cant even buy choclate

Probably no one actually choked on one, but some crazy poor bitch probably tried to stuff one down her kids throat so she could sue.

*american toddlers whose mothers are too retarded to NOT buy them

>which is obviously bullshit
There is no legal distinction saying its bullshit. Making them more like trading cards is unnecessary since they are even farther removed from gambling than trading cards

I understand why they're not the same from a practical point of view, but they're exactly the same from a legal point of view.

It's not the job of a court to say "it's a rip-off that you have to pay more for a game you already paid $60 for", it's the job of the court to determine whether buying digital gachapon is gambling even if physical gachapon isn't gambling.

So far, nobody's made a very strong case that it's gambling. They're happy to point out why they hate it, but not why it should be treated as legally distinct.

>Burgerlandia
rent free

Baseball cards don't use the same psychological manipulation tactics as gambling does. This is why they're a problem, not because they're like baseball cards.

>nobody's made a very strong case that it's gambling.
>spend money on something hoping to get something good
>not gambling

What part of bum-fuck nowhere do you live where you don't have a taco bell?

Well you go on and tell EA they're a bunch of stupid bitches.

>Does everything in their power to convince you buy them, advertising them daily, and designing their entire game so that buying them gives you a better experience.
>"Just don't buy them LMAO"

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Taco Bell is so unknown outside the US, Demolition Man used Pizza Hut for the international releases.

>it's not rape, it's surprise sex

Why do people keep asking a question that has been answered hundreds of times, let alone multiple times in this this thread alone?

>spend money on something hoping to get something good
>not gambling
No more than baseball cards. That's the key distinction; you have to prove that it's MORE "essentially gambling" than any of a hundred other toys and games available to kids that employ the exact same pricing system.

Baseball cards are, in a certain way, much more like gambling. Because the key feature of gambling, what makes it so addictive, is that you can "play with house money"; that you can use what you win to play again. This is how you get roped in. You can't use your lootbox winnings to buy more lootboxes. You CAN (theoretically) flip your baseball cards for money to buy more baseball cards.

It doesn't matter, you can still trade your baseball cards out there, which by the way you still own. You do not own anything you get from video game lootboxes.

These are shit. Not just because of how cucked they are, but moreso because the taste is completely different. It's far too sweet.

Toronto

But where is the proofs that EA has always had surprise mechanics. Where in any official public discourse have they corrected the perception that they do not use loot boxes, only surprise mechanics. Did they correct people during the BF2 fiasco that they mistakenly called their surprise mechanics loot boxes?

>So far, nobody's made a very strong case that it's gambling.
>n-no mean MORE gambling than this other thing that is completely different as it has been explained several times
yeah okay keep covering your ears and going lalala

It's not even that, it doesn't matter if you don't buy them. It's such a low-cost system, they make a profit so long as a couple whales exist. And as people have pointed out, not buying into the system still doesn't change the fact the system is balanced around this bullshit.

american healthcare

Wizards of the Coast shows you two packs of cards and tells you "both cards have ten commons, three uncommons, and one rare. All commons are worth the same, all uncommons are worth the same, all rares are worth the same, therefore both packs are worth the same and it doesn't matter which one you buy." They're lying, of course, but it's a legally convenient lie.
Somehow EA would have to convince the courts that both they and their customers understand that all lootboxes have the same value, despite them having different rarity distributions, and despite them often assigning these different rarities values in the form of in game or even sometimes real currency.

Lootboxes have many bells and whistles that are designed not only to reel people in, but also to keep them trying over and over, so winning can give you the feeling of success, punctuated by the flashing lights, the loud noises that are cheering you, specifically, for your achievement. That's the psychological portion of it, which baseball cards etc don't have.

Yea Forums is the only place too hipster to use food analogies. They are not worse than other analogies, only more commonplace. I have even seen great food analogies on here that were dismissed just because of
>food analogies

Not defending EA, but would it be more acceptable if they posted drop rates from lootboxes, like what laws in Asian countries require?

Taco Bell is all over southern Canada wtf are you talking about

They'd still have to be regulated because there's no proof those drop rates reflect reality without third party testing

This, if a group of faggot Billionaires decided that spending millions on lootboxes was a thing they wanted to do, the landscape would be exactly the same, even if literally nobody else wanted it

is that so?

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>n-no mean MORE gambling than this other thing that is completely different
It's NOT completely different. You keep insisting that it is, but never demonstrate how it's meaningfully different.

The only thing anyone ever comes back to is "you can sell baseball cards!" which has no fucking bearing on how baseball cards would be "less gambling" than lootboxes. In fact, it makes them closer to REAL gambling than lootboxes.

You have to explain how randomized DLC is closer to a blackjack table than magic the gathering booster packs are. You have not done this.

I hate lootboxes too but you've got to be intellectually honest.

The problem isn't that the droprate is hidden, the problem is that not all boxes are equal. They would have to do like trading cards do where every box has two commons a rare and a legendary or whatever the fuck. Then, just like trading cards, they make a bunch of junk legendaries and pretend they're just as good as the normal ones.

Atleast the kinder egg jas something to fall back on. The toy you got was trash, but atleast you ate some chocolate.

Unless you get a duplicate that gets you in game currency. And baseball cards don't explained we into fireworks and crowds going fucking crazy if you get a legendary to boost that addictive shot of dopamine. Young children are even more vulnerable to dopamine mechanics.

If I recall there are actually cases in worst korea where gachashit has been busted for false drop rates.

The toy is trash anyway. I would only get it for the chocolate.

>And baseball cards don't explained we into fireworks and crowds going fucking crazy if you get a legendary to boost that addictive shot of dopamine
I get your point, but all video games do this. It's not a feature that's unique to lootboxes, or unique to gambling; all video games are built around synthetic rewards. RPGs give big music jingles and flashing graphics when you "level up" despite that not being in any way related to gambling. It's just what video games do, it's what makes them fun.

You're essentially arguing that video game gachapon is worse than other forms of gachapon because people prefer playing video games to playing with other toys. I don't know if that's a strong argument.

It wouldn't surprise me. The thing about probability is that to gauge if the odds reflect reality you'd need to play a ridiculous number of times. Way more than even the craziest of whales. Provided you're even slightly intelligent it's easy to just ignore the odds and do whatever the fuck you like, dynamically manipulating the rates, even tailoring them to individual whales to gain the maximum amount. It's fucked, and why just releasing the odds doesn't help.

>explode into

dont worry user. i never gave a rats ass about tifas tits

Except the bells and whistles are specifically attached to the loot box to increase that hit of dopamine. When you level up in a video game its not even remotely similar to gambling, when you buy a loot box it's suspiciously similar to gambling because your paying money for a random prize.

You can't just deflect that observation just because "it's what video games do" whenever it's specifically attached to a mechanic with the purposeful intent of dopamine shit, especially when that mechanic is a loot box.

"Randomized DLC” is quite similar to gambling due to the fact that they both do everything in their power to distance themselves from the fact that you're spending actual money.
Notice how casino never give the winnings in actual currency most of the time. They either give out chips with arbitrary value, or redemption slips that could have any amount of value printed on them.
Loot boxes are similar in most cases as well, you're usually not buying the box, you're buying special points that you can use to buy a box, which could easily contain more of the special currency.

>all video games do this

i dont remember the last time having to spend money for a chance of a rare item dropping from a mob in an MMO

its hilarious how terrible ALL the defenses for lootboxes are.

You're dissecting it and completely lose what the point is. An RPG asks you to pay once and that's it. There are rewards, but there's no push to spend more, because everything is available to you. Lootboxes work similarly to classic slot machines, psychological tricks to keep you playing and spending. The worst you can spend in a regular RPG is time.

I want to buy enriched uranium

That's not true at all, Nethack doesn't give flashing lights or music for level ups, acquiring new weapons or shields in Borderlands isn't meet with fanfare, hell even games with lootboxes like CS:GO doesn't give you anything more than "Counter-terrorists win" when you win a match.

A real judge would feel insulted for presiding over this case. The outcome will determine just how far into EAs pockets the judicial system is

Well I've never seen one, all I've got in my midtown neighbourhood that aren't mom and pop shops are
Subway, A & W, Harvey's and South Street Burger

>When you level up in a video game its not even remotely similar to gambling, when you buy a loot box it's suspiciously similar to gambling because your paying money for a random prize
Okay, but you're arguing that what separates the lootbox from the booster pack is, essentially, "that it works like the rest of the video game works". You see that, right?

This is the problem I'm having with all of these arguments. Someone says "lootboxes aren't gambling if booster packs aren't gambling" and people point out all the ways video games aren't like trading cards. Okay, video games aren't identical to trading cards, I get it, but that doesn't make the FUNDAMENTAL METHOD OF PURCHASE meaningfully different. Pointing out that video games are digital content that can't be resold, or that they use flashy graphics and animations, etc., is pointing out how video games aren't trading cards, not how buying randomized video game content is MORE FUNDAMENTALLY IDENTICAL TO GAMBLING than buying randomized trading card content.

>Notice how casino never give the winnings in actual currency most of the time
This is a real and true psychological trick, but it's not essentially gambling-related. Most F2P games do this with their premium currency, it predates the invention of the modern lootbox. Hell, XBox Live Arcade used that fucking "points" system too.

What the actual fuck are you on about?

>Pointing out that video games are digital content that can't be resold, or that they use flashy graphics and animations, etc., is pointing out how video games aren't trading cards, not how buying randomized video game content is MORE FUNDAMENTALLY IDENTICAL TO GAMBLING than buying randomized trading card content.
Those reasons are precisely ones that make it MORE similar to gambling. Why are you calling others dishonest, if you just toss aside every listed reason?

Read this and understand why cheering for this is ultimately short-sighted. threadreaderapp.com/thread/1142036707556020224.html
Yes, EA and Epic deserve to be shit upon, but they won't be the only ones and they won't get it the worst either.

>This is a real and true psychological trick, but it's not essentially gambling-related
Doesn't matter if it is, it's still used with the intent of furthering a gambling related product and manipulating you into buying more of it.

They don't make it MORE similar to gambling. The fact that you can't turn a profit from it is the thing that makes it fundamentally NOT gambling, less so than any physical gachapon.

The closest thing you have to an argument is "video games employ some of the same presentation as slot machines" but even then it's bullshit because there's no flashing lights and fireworks at a fucking blackjack table.

>but even then it's bullshit because there's no flashing lights and fireworks at a fucking blackjack table
Blackjack isn't the only form of gambling, don't descend into full retardation.

The big difference is, you don't HAVE to buy a single MTG pack ever to have a card. There's a secondary market where you can buy everything for a lot cheaper than the pack lottery.

Also, WOTC has zero incentive to give you a shitty rare (as these are the cards that cost money): since you can buy cards off the sec. market, creating a shitty set will just see their revenue cut, as less people will take the risk to invest or buy into the packs. In a lootbox/skin type environment, it's actually good for you to have a "set" with only shitty skins and only one good ones, as the only way to game the system is to play their lottery.

I don't think there has to be actual monetary value. It has more to do with the perceived value of what you are getting from lootboxes, hence item rarity and color coding. You can make any argument you want but its gambling.
t. former gambling addict

>"that it works like the rest of the video game works".
With the intention of getting you to buy more.

>for girls
>pink tip
Really makes you think

And all that presentation is based around fucking with your dopamine to get you to buy more. They even hired psychological dopamine experts for this exact thing.

Because a digital product is infinitely reproduceable. There is no reason for a red skin for a character to be at a 1% to get and a green skin to be 99% GET rate. It's literally artificial scarcity.

>"You can't turn a profit from loot boxes."
>What are CS:GO knives and TF2 unusuals.
If lootboxes in a game don't let you make a profit, it's by design.

You people just keep writing these things out as if it creates a distinction because of YOUR preferences. There is no reason why ea should have to show anything legally. In fact, assigning value to the items would make it worse for them

Because they dont like it, thats literally it

Like this guy
>its because its digital
So are games and virtually everything else today retard

> kinder surprise
Geez, now I start to understand.

A legendary is worth more than a common.

Corporations "are" the government.

that's france you inbred

>in game
Prove it

When one pays 59.99 for a game there's no random chance that one is going to get a worse game than someone else. Read the post again.

It's honestly surprising how many people don't understand this.

You'd have a much easier time convincing people that what Valve does is gambling than what EA does, it's EA going before the courts.

My argument is this:
Gambling involves winning money. That is the essential feature of gambling. If you are not winning money (or something designed to be interchangeable with money), it is not gambling.

Compare all of the things which we would clearly and unequivocally describe as gambling:
>Poker
>Blackjack
>Roulette
>Slots
>Craps
>Lottery

With all of the things we clearly and unequivocally describe as not gambling:
>trading cards
>baseball cards
>gachapon capsule machines
>kinder eggs
>happy meals
>any of a hundred myriad collectible toys, like Pogs, Crazy Bones, etc

The distinction is extremely clear; it has nothing to do with presentation, nothing to do with odds vs skill, nothing to do with target demographics, nothing to do with cost of play/entry, etc.

Gambling means you win money.

And if you're being in the least bit honest with yourself, and you're able to set aside your hatred for lootboxes as a game mechanic and consider them impartially, you'd have to be completely braindead to think lootboxes fit better in the first category than in the second.

americans

The best part was the epic guy saying they don't make money off fortnite, the face of the politician was priceless.

As to the comparison with MTG and other TCGs: it does not hold imho. You can completely circumvent opening a single pack. The economics of LGS's make it so they have incentive to buy and sell a lot of cards, thus open a lot of packs, thus have a pinned price on certain cards. As far as I know, most loot boxes don't have a similar mechanic. So don't look at these things in a vacuum of just what comes out of the box, because that is exactly the same: a random 'thing' of a 'set' you can collect. But, I haven't heard a single story of a kid collecting all of the Kinder toys. I have heard stories of kids wasting moneys on tcgs, but even they will wise up and probably not waste some extra part of their parents money on packs if they can just buy the card they want for the price of a pack. The same can not be said for most loot boxes.

So a voice line for Winston is just as desirable as a skin that turns him into "super banana slamma monkey God four"?

>read the post again
Your two posts together make no sense against the point the other guy made

A game being priced at 59.99 and lootboxes being priced at a point are both artificial numbers backed by artificial scarcity to support a business model. What does random chance have to do with anything?

Can't people sell their accounts?

>What does random chance have to do with anything?
Do you know what a loot box is?

Except loot boxes are addictive and designed to be addictive. I don't remember the last time somebody spent five hundred bucks to get a specific happy meal or kinder surprise toy.

It doesn't matter if it wins money or not when it can be just as addictive.

I mean prove it legally

All the arguments in this thread operate on an assertion that "everyone knows these things are better" but that isnt how the law works, if this issue were to even come up which i doubt.

To answer your question, when i played overwatch i preferred many of the less rare things over the more rare things.

Imagine defending lootboxes.

You have to learn how to cook if you want something edible.

Do you know what context is? Do you know what a distinction is?

But the game itself considers voice lines to be worth less than skins, when you get duplicates you get less money for voice lines then for skins

>nothing with gambling mechanics is actually gambling, unless it's to win money
You are a complete fucking bufoon. Gamblers are addicted to the high of winning, not necessarily the money itself. That becomes secondary, that's why they can easily let tons of cash slip through their fingers. They are addicted to the high of winning. You make it sound like the best way is to just have the gamble in something useless like paperclips, without actually looking at the addictiveness that pulls them in.

Because legendary items are made with the intention of being better than others. HoTS even records new voice lines and animations for some. Even skin specific mounts.

People can sell their baseball cards too, but they're not designed to be fundamentally interchangeable with money.

You don't buy baseball cards, take them to the baseball cards table, play baseball cards, and either lose all the cards you played, or win a bunch MORE baseball cards that you can then take back to exchange for more money than you started with.

That's what gambling is. It's why gambling is addictive, it's why gambling is dangerous. Because what you win, and what you are AIMING to win, is also what you use to play again. There's no way out of gambling because there's no end-game; there's no "you won gambling". You won a round, and you got some money, but you can ALWAYS double up. Which is why, eventually, you always lose, and why you can get so hopelessly addicted to it.

Whether or not lootbox contents are tradeable, they are fundamentally built on an economy of actual stuff; the idea is to get some specific prize from the lootbox. Any amount of "recycling it back into money to play again" is intermediary extension of the game, it's not the fundamental point.

It doesn't matter if it's literally gambling. As as I said in another post, you can game most of the real life not gambling stuff by some type of secondary market. Kids WILL get hooked on the lootbox anyway, as their is no way to circumvent trade stuff.

Also, TCGs would be literally gambling, as you can win money if you sell a good rare. I doubt you'll get any significant money out of selling Kinder toys, but there is probably some type of trading community around it.

Being "designed to be addictive" and "being gambling" aren't the same. All F2P and microtransaction-driven games are designed to be addictive. There's not a single lootbox-based element in Warframe (notwithstanding those little mod card packs that literally nobody buys) but the game is a dopamine-receptor rapist. Most F2P games are. That's how they're built, that's how they get you.

Insidious? Absolutely. Anti-consumer? You bet. Exploitative? To the maximum.

But GAMBLING?
No.

the fact he said gambling is all about winning money means he just won't get it. youre wasting your time, user

Context of what?

cant eat a fucking chocolate egg because fat retarded white kids would choke on them hahahahaha

They train extra hard to escape the horror

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FUCK KINDER EGGS AND FUCK LOOTBOXES! YYYYYYYYYYYONGOUT!
youtu.be/RSyUgTCIkA0

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>You make it sound like the best way is to just have the gamble in something useless like paperclips, without actually looking at the addictiveness that pulls them in.
No, YOU make it sound like that, when you insist the "winning" matters more than the prize.

If you were right, and the high of winning the dice roll was the essence of gambling addiction, all gambling addicts could break themselves by, as you say, "playing for paperclips".

What makes gambling addictive is the money for nothing. What makes gambling addictive is seeing the pile of winning on the table in front of you. It's the same impulse that makes people shitpost on /biz/ about bitcoins. It's the high of feeling momentarily rich, and the inescapable desire to just keep getting richer. Until you are broke, at which point you go right back, because you gotta dig yourself out of that hole somehow, and you can feel a hot streak coming on.

>gambling
>no

I take it you mean it's its own thing sort of like piracy vs theft?

The important element here is that it doesn't matter which specific item you get, the value is the same. Buying a burger isn't gambling when which piece of lettuce you get is random because there's no real difference between any of them, they're all worth the same. WotC pretends all their packs are worth the same, while profiting off your hope that you'll get lucky and pull a card you can resell for a profit on the secondary market WotC pretends doesn't exist. There isn't even a false pretense that all lootboxes are the same, some boxes are just outright better.
>it has to be for money
Glad to know that poker isn't gambling if I ante up my watch.

>Being "designed to be addictive" and "being gambling" aren't the same.
Yes it fucking is. Especially when your paying for a random reward.

I thought they were legal again last year. Did i miss something?

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>be me
>buy kinder egg
>get shitty puzzles made of paper
>mfw
EA is gonna go down the shithole, again

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Yeah, basically. Lootboxes are a part of a class of pretty fucked-up anti-consumer practices that game devs (among others) engage in, where they utilize the fact that they are an entertainment medium/product that has your attention to manipulate you into wanting something, and then charging you for it.

20 years ago they did this by shoving your Saturday morning full of Buy All Our Playsets And Toys cartoons. When phone games first hit it big they did it by telling you "wait 2 hours or pay me $0.10"

This is an evolution of that same logic. It's a pretty fucked up thing, and it sucks that it's essentially self-sustaining despite general hatred because of whales, but trying to use gambling laws to corral it is being dishonest. The only reason anyone is arguing that it's gambling is because they hate lootboxes, and convincing lawmakers that lootboxes are gambling-for-kids is the easiest way they can think of to get them banned.

Even giving in the fact that's it's not Gambling in the traditional sense (ignoring account selling, Volvo's secondary markets, etc) it it still in a decisively different category than all of these physical goods due to the fact that supply is completely restricted arbitrarily.
With relitively little work, one could easily set the amount of boxes sold per transaction to be whatever they want,
There is no further direct cost from selling 100 boxen as opposed to 2 for the same price, whereas there is physical costs to doing the same with the other mystery goods.
>"They give me money, and I... Give them nothing"
-Casino owner from Rush Hour, and also EA excecs, probably.

They made a different version where all the chocolate is on one half and the toy being in the other.

They started selling a version where the toy isn't inside the egg.

spanish is a shit language desu

I believe they technically aren't but nobody cares enough to enforce it since kids don't eat them.

it's not a pirated copy, it's an extended "can my pc run this" demo. perfectly ethical, you see

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I'm honestly just tired of arguing with the fuckers who defend lootboxes/p2w at this point

>Glad to know that poker isn't gambling if I ante up my watch.
You're anteing up your watch because you have convinced the other players at the table to TREAT IT AS CURRENCY. The rules of poker specifically put a fucking dollar value on any bet because the next player is required to match it or fold; if there isn't a fixed, measured-in-money value of a bid, it isn't gambling, but it's also not really poker.

The only form of poker where you aren't playing for money (or a money equivalent/proxy) is strip poker, and strip poker is not gambling.

>this is what non americans believe

I mean translate it to real value

Yes but that doesnt translate to real world value. Prove that your frosted butt mount is worth anything after you get it

Yeah, this sucked. Chalky hard candy doesn't go well with chocolate.

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Ethics are more moralfags. Lootboxes are merely the desires of the free market. Anyone defending them or producing them clearly don't care about anything but money.

>Yes it fucking is.
No it fucking isn't.

Is this how we're gonna argue? Basic negation?

You don't have to. Events are moving regardless of who wins these ridiculous arguments.
Still you're smarter than them, who are busy arguing with the wrong people

>what does random chance have to do with anything
...insofar as it affects the concept of artificial scarcity

>its different becayse artificial scarcity
You still havent demonstrated why that matters

I hate lootboxesm but that doesn't make this approach to combating them appropriate or honest.

I also hate EA buying up studios that I love and gutting them, but I'm not gonna go before a judge and claim that they're violating anti-trust laws when they do it, just because I think that's the easiest way to make it stop.

Its much harder to choke on a small piece of paper that would rip apart after soaking in your saliva for a minute.

fbpb

Because you dont like them and youre too stupid to mount a legally sound attack on them

What approach? This is out of our hands. Hell, it's doubly out of my hands because it's not even my country. If you care then go bother someone who can do something about it

>why even argue over politics? it's not like it matters, you aren't a congressman
fuck off we're having a discussion

What anime? Looks neat and I want to see a loli turn her nose up at blood pudding or something.

Cool. I'm just pointing out that your discussion is a waste of time and you will accomplish nothing. But if you enjoy that sort of thing then more power to you

This is Yea Forums, all discussions here are a waste of time that will accomplish nothing. I find this subject interesting and I am enjoying talking about. If you don't, that button on the bottom left of your screen will take you to the catalog, go find some other thread to act smug in.

Yea Forums has had an inline reverse image search function to google since at least 2011

All discussion here is a waste of time you monstrous faggot. Why are the hell are you on 4channel?

How is this meaningfully different from buying a booster pack with the intent to resell the contents on the secondary market? I'm investing money in hopes of getting items worth more than the money I invested.

Because when you decide to sell a good for much more than it's worth, that's called price gouging, son.
I reasoned cost of goods sold over selling price is an important factor, and when that percentage enters into the millions, that's when something has clearly gone wrong.

>Kinder Egg
I would compare them to baseball cards before I compared them to Kinder Eggs, personally.
But this shit is still fucking retarded.

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>Rape is now surprise sex

Wow I touched a nerve there

>mfw europoor children get raped by Achmed and Mohammed and their governments do nothing to protect them.

It's not, at least not really. Which is why I keep saying that lootboxes are LESS like gambling than trading cards, so if trading cards aren't legally considered gambling then there's no WAY lootboxes should be.

Which, incidentally, is also the EA rep's point waaaaay up there in the OP. That lootboxes aren't any closer to gambling than any of a hundred other legal products that sell "random content" in the exact same fashion, yet which the courts have always permitted.

Metaposting is useless so why are you doing it in a thread you clearly don't care about?

Valve's solution is pretty elegant. There's loot crates in DotA 2, but you see what you will get from them before you open them. It's still random, but your odds are predetermined and account-bound, so you know whether you'll win or lose. You buy more, if you want better odds of getting the rare stuff.

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I saw one in store for the first time literally today, what the fuck my American babies are in danger

I honestly can't saying too surprised that EA is fighting against banning loot boxes so hard. Their entire business was built on the concept since their first FIFA soccer games and they still make absolute bank off of their sports games since then.

However the fact that they're banking so hard on their beliefs only goes to show just how little they give a shit about the individuals they hurt so long as they keep getting their paychecks

>Went to casino nearby
>Machine only accepts $20s, but minimum bets are $5
>Bet the $20
>Win $18 back
>bet the minimum $5 bet.
>get $4.50 back
>every single spin ALWAYS grants a money prize!
>its 100% impossible to not win some cash.
>run down to my last $5
>win $3.80 and can no longer afford the minimum bet.

And yet, for some reason, the machine is considered gambling.

The hell. So it's less chocolate then so it can fit the toy inside? What's even the point of bringing it back then if they were just going bastardized it?

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trading cards are a physical item you can hold onto no matter what the company says after you buy them, Lootboxes are digital licenses that can be taken from you by the company for a number of reasons after you buy them

They are in a yellow plastic shell.

The real distinction is that trading card companies don't involve themselves in the secondary market, and pretend it doesn't exist. Even if they obviously know that some cards are worth a lot of money and some aren't, they have legal protection if they act like the secondary resale market isn't something they intend or endorse.

Meanwhile the casino is actually engaged in the process of converting chips into currency.

Actually, this is how pachinko parlors in Japan get around the gambling regulations; you don't win money, you win tokens, but the tokens aren't redeemable in currency. There are pawn shops next door to most of these places, and those pawn shops WILL exchange those tokens for currency, and then "sell back" the "lost tokens" to the owners of the pachinko parlors. Since the act of exchanging prizes for money is done separately from the act of playing pachinko, and with a different business, the regulations can't touch it. It's a symbiosis that's worked well for decades.

technically, kinder eggs are loot boxes in physical form.

It's the same brand. Kinder joy is acream with two waffle balls.

it is even worse becouse in some cases a card that useed to be an useless piece of paper could become really expensive whit the time (collectors) or busted alongside a new card (that one happens a lot in YUGIOH)

they dont take the items from you, they prevent you from accessing your account, and the account have the items as a bonus service.
more akin to an account with a hotel, u rent the room, and can pay for surprise additions, and as long as u have access to the room, u have access to the surprise additions in the room.

in short, they get away with it, because u never actually owned the items, you had access to the account.

they also get away with not letting you know when your access can be removed, by various BS loopholes.

No shit, user. I tried them before commenting. Only result I got was gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=4759511 with no associated tag for the show in question or anything of the sort.

How fucking huge does your maw have to get that you can guzzle down one whole kinder egg?
Jesus christ I am laughing my ass off typing this cause american kids are this fat.

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don't like em?
don't buy em simply as really

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dude giving birth is like a loot box... whoa...

I literally just pointed out to someone who's tired of debating that it's all pointless, and they don't actually have to do anything when the outcome is impossible to affect. This of course triggers you because you either enjoy pointless navel gazing or honestly think you can make a difference.

Except it isn't. cards are physical and have a nice resale value. Just like my old yugioh cards with some having a nice resale value of half or near a thousand dollars. Meanwhile digital shit you get in lootboxes can disappear if they decide to shut down the game in the future

funny enough its easy to prove they both know about, and encourage it, by making cards more rare than others.

if they werent aware of it, nor encouraged it, they would make the chance of any card 100% equal to any other card.

There is no reason to make cards more rare than others, other than to increase value to those who have them.
Honestly dunno how they managed to skip this fact.

my b. princess principal

¡chupo me verge de muerte! ¿Donde esta tu peppiño?

They'll argue that the rarity is based on the card's value in the game, and that making some cards less likely to appear than others is a balance decision, not a decision designed to promote secondary resale.

Kinder Joy is a completely different thing.

But you're not making back money, you're actively losing it with the illusion of success. You wasted $16.20 just so you could get to hold $3.80.

doing nothing while an animation plays after spending burger bux is a mechanic now i guess

The only reason they aren't gambling is a combination of being grandfathered in and doing and elaborate song and dance to pretend they aren't. Lootboxes are/do neither of these things.

Imagine lying to make yourself seem right.

americans swallow that shit whole

>grandfathered in
A shitload of this stuff was invented in the goddamn 90s, nobody shut down Pogs or MTG for being gambling. It's not like baseball cards are some singular exception, metric fuckloads of stuff has been sold on the baseball card model, including quite a bit that was invented and/or hit the market very recently.

Lootboxes are nothing more than the natural digital extension of the same fucking fad toys that swept you up in middle school, except you're upset about it because you're still playing video games and you aren't still playing with Pogs.

>Article says UK
>OP says Burgerland
Are third wordlers really this retarded?

>worth
>price gouging
Video games are one of the most saturated markets on earth with hundreds of options per genre to choose from and youre going to bring up concepts like price gouging and worth?

Fucking christ go read a econ book retard

>Yeah, but language x is useless I don't plan on going to y place anytime soon
So you're saying it's useless to learn a language unless you want to move to a country where the locals speak it? In a world where people from every single place and background move around to visit and live in different countries and locations?

Lootboxes don't pay out money.

No they aren't. They are illegal because of a law that dictates that food products can not contain inedible items. It wasn't intended to ban things like Kinder Eggs, but the wording gave candy corporations the chance to hurt one of their competitors.

>food products can not contain inedible items
I think technically just that you can't put inedible items into food (otherwise peaches would be illegal), but I can vouch for the validity of this.

I run a grocery store and we do King Cakes every year, and every year we have to explain to customers that we can't bake the plastic baby inside, and yes we know it's traditional, but you have to put it in there yourself, because it's straight-up illegal to sell it to you with something inedible inserted into it.

Okay tell me how many kinder toys you've traded in and lets compared it to my tradings on Steam marketplace.

in game?
while it requires understanding the rules of the game, such a claim requires evidence.
the rules limit the number of cards, along with the fact that if they did need extra limitations, they then made them purposely broken, to the degree of needing to produce less cards, so less players can use them, but the few that do have them, are too good.
Not actually countering the original point.
(excluding "card cost" in games, such as needing mana, etc)

The comparison is that if you always win something, even if its lesser value, its still winning something.
You can actually calculate the average amount of cash u have to spend, to get a rare card (by packs only) and then see in 99% of cases, you get less value returned than you spent. Buying the card from another source actually saves u money on average, which is where most arguments are based on, when it comes to card value.
You can ignore values made by other people, since you can actually calculate the value of a card based on purchasing cost of a pack, and chance of getting it. (or the cost of all packs, divided by the number of cards in existence of the card you're after.)

I never said they did. Im comparing the cards to money, since ppl say you retain value with objects, but those objects value is measurable. Its the same effect as the slot machine, but with the numbers being direct.

Also some people collect coins, so if they happen to get a coin that is just the right date, then who's to say the $3.80 is less valuable than the $20 they started with?

It's all bullshit.

Im fine with trading cards, and i WOULD be fine with lootboxes. I just have no sympathy for companies when they get greedy. So w/e happens to them, happens. But pretending its not gambling is trying to not see something you clearly see.

youtube.com/watch?v=lSVGnuRuphg

CHOCA DOOBY

>I just have no sympathy for companies when they get greedy. So w/e happens to them, happens
I generally agree with this
>But pretending its not gambling is trying to not see something you clearly see.
I disagree here. I don't think it's gambling; or rather, I'm not comfortable calling it gambling without also calling trading cards gambling. Which, okay, I guess we can make that argument, but lootboxes aren't unique and shouldn't be singled out for legislative control.

I hope EA goes bankrupt tomorrow all the same, but to argue that this shit is anything more than DLC baseball cards is pretty intellectually dishonest.

Nobody shut them down because technically they aren't gambling and nobody has summoned forth the litigative will to close the loophole they exploit. Lootboxes aren't exploiting this loophole. There's a (false) pretense that every pog's worth the same. There is no pretense, false or otherwise, that every lootbox is worth the same.

youtube.com/watch?v=dgUbRpdUN1w

What did they expect *snort*

I've lived in Texas all my life, you're fucking lying, the only time I've ever heard anyone pronounce that shit like that is if they're from some "Confederate" hick state like kentucky or virginia. No one here fucking says that shit.

Well legally, it isn't gouging, but it's certainly price fixing. Which is what I was thinking about.

Loot boxes are gambling; plain and simple. If you go by the definition of gambling, taking a risky action in the hope of a desired result, that pretty much sums up all of lootboxes (and yes, baseball cards or any other mystery item). It's all a gamble.

>Company releases product that can only be obtained by buying a lootbox.
>You have to spend money on said lootbox in hopes of receiving the item you want.
>If you don't get said item, you have to continue purchasing said lootboxes in hopes that you do.

>Funds developers
>Valve hasnt made an actual game thats not some skinnerbox trash since portal 2
>That was 8 years ago

>tfw something stirs your long term memory and you lose the game for the first time in years.

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But aren´t kinder eggs illegal there?

>but its certainly price fixing
>when youre so retarded you only comprehend the literal translation of the phrase
No it isnt

>Look up the maker of the song.
>He's making a game set in his own universe now.

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Why is the steering wheel on the wrong side?

The way i see it, Trading cards are gambling too.
BUT we need rules to seperate TCGs from slot machines.
They share "gambling" at their core, but have drastically different effects on the purchases, which is why we need to lable them as two different types of gambling, and then just have the law only punish one kind (if they are intent on doing so, as i dont see gambling that bad. those same ppl are still bad with thier money, and throw it away elsewhere anyways.)

Elaborate.

Price fixing is when companies enter into a conspiracy to not lower the price of things and compete with each other so that they can retain the profits that the lower margins would otherwise lessen

It doesnt mean "making things unreasonably expensive". Otherwise companies couldnt sell to attention whores 10 million dollar handbags for their chihuahuas

Price fixing lootboxes is probably not even possible because there is no competitive market for them (thank god)

We definitely have taco belk in canada, do you live in Nunavut or something?

What will you be doing once EA goes out of business?

>EA goes out of business?
things that will never happen

>see gif
>start to miss ME3MP
>remember the shitty lootboxes
>desire to reinstall passes swiftly
I used cheat engine to unlock everything on that game a few years ago. It took 2.5x the maximum credit storage limit (each of which is something ridiculous like 9.9bn credits) to get a full manifest+characters, with all weapons/mods at max level. That shit's ridiculous

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>i mean let me move the goal post, do all this work because i think you are wrong

how about you unironically isekai yourself you boot licking drone. You take corporate cock up your ass for free so you might as well let me do your booty hole too.

The chocolate wasn’t even good quality.

Maybe stop dragging NATO into petrodollar wars and creating so many fucking refugees and giving lefties an excuse to let them in then you fat drenched burger.

>15 years of playing mmorpgs
>15 years of kikes telling me selling guild or my account to my guild mates is illegal and super bad and the worst thing ever, btw you should only spend money in our cash shop

tell me more about this nonexistent competition they arent keeping under their thumb. These faggots have been waging propaganda campaigns for over a decade now to coerece people into buying cash shop shit. Blizard even addmited in the early 200xs to hiring psychologists to figure out ways to make their games more addictive.

Is that why it's on that reverse "Chinese" troll list?

I cant tell if youre literally retarded or you just dont care what i say and want to rant about your boogeyman

None of that has anything to do with what i said

Anyone else hoping this will drive companies to adopt crypto currencies so they can keep the lootbox gambling? You can get around gambling laws by using bitcoin and the like so I suspect companies either adopt or create a new currency. It would be quick pump and dumps.

You say that now...

food products that don't sell end up in the trash
and that is a loss for a company

While with loot boxes. there is no limit in how much you can do.
you can actively manipulate the system so everyone gets shit.
you can create infinite amount of "digital in game currency"
and sell that as well.
and not to mention that they put the rules

- no trading allowed.
- not compatible in the next games.
- Can't sell them.
- You can avoid them but everyone will buttfuck you until you pay to get good shit.
- If you get banned for whatever reason you lost everything.
- Can actively manipulate the drop rates of objects.

Not the same by a mile

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I asked earlier today why people would use cryptocurrency in the first place despite literally being one of the riskiest forms of currency in circulation right now, and I legit would have liked an answer, but the damn mods deleted the thread before I got anything

I wish it would.

Not the same. When you buy a closed box you are guaranteed a certain amount of rares, and then there is a chance of getting a super rare. At least that's how it works with Pokemon and Magic.

>So this is how things are done in Burgerlandia.
Yeah, common law is a fucking joke and the constitution has been dead for over a century.

The beginning of every market before it reaches equilibrium is unstable

Crypto is inundated with whales manipulating things so you have to wait for the market to get big enough for that effect to be mitigated

That last reply wasn't me, and I understand much better.
However, that doesn't mean digital lootboxes aren't a thing that should be legally controlled.
The law is moving much more slowly than all of the markets that the digital age has ushered forth.

Because your food is so bad.

How you are unable to make the connection there is quite astounding and I wonder how you manage to live.

Thats because the law has to justify going against human nature more and more
>put every possible protection in place to save people from terns on a website
>people end up ignoring clickwrap shrinkwrap, terms in their entirety because the retard courts forced them to be so long and arduous nobody is going to bother
>fucks over people more than it otherwise would have
The law cant win at this point, its just too stupid, slow, and inefficient in the face of a market that is more of all of those things than ever

The basic idea is that crypto cannot be controlled by any central authority and that your transactions can be private with zero money trails. The main issues that plague it right now is adoption rates, unstable market, technology not quite being there, ect. For the meantime, you can just treat it as a sort of stock that you put money in and hope the market raises the value.

Why is there no law where a user must read or type out an EULA for a digital product in order to accept it, or else it is null and void?
I feel that would reduce retardation on the internet significantly.

thanks capitalism!

Because consumers would hate doing that

Just don't give out an EULA then lol.

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The consumers are partly to blame. They are, after all, enabling companies to keep doing these practices

Wasn't this at a UK hearing?

EA
>we don't call them "lootboxes", we call them "surprise mechanics"

EA at E3
>There won't be lootboxes in our new Star Wars game

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>Going back to listen to those old memes
God it feels like forever ago

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>americans are so fat they swallow the whole egg with the toy inside
lol

get fucked

The defense is made in Europe, inbred. Kinder eggs are banned in the US, so that defense makes no sense there.

>be american
>gobbles chocolate egg without even opening it
>chokes to death

Can't make this up.

>b-b-b-but U.S a-a-anyways..
When is being European going to be recognized as a form of obsessive compulsive disorder?

As a person not affected by gambling in any way i have a question.
Why gambling should be regulated?

Now that lootboxes are officially simple harmless surprise mechanics can Yea Forums stop whining about how others spend their money? F2P scum should just die.

>Europeans are so dumb they let Chinese plastic poison their food

I think in this instance, it's because many of the games namely Madden/Fifa can be played by minors due to a lower age restriction.

You have to 18 to enter a casino. However, 3 of the biggest games from EA and Epic are Madden, FIFA, and Fortnite. All of which are T rated

It's more like putting five bucks in a toy capsule dispenser to get a plastic ring

It doesn't need to be worth money in order for it to be desirable. And being desirable is all you need for dopamine manipulation and addiction to work.

By your logic I can set up a literal slot machine in a school that dispenses paper clips if you lose and chocolate if you win. Doesn't mean it's not a gambling machine.

Are you implying that a lifetime supply of free Switch games is "losing"?

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You didn't get banned? if it really is that easy maybe I'll at least do it so I can try out the other characters.

Honk honk, multi million dollar corporations are lobbying not only to make gambling legal, but to market it to kids as "kinder eggs". And the nutty part is swaths of people actually agree with them. Clown world and just a meme kids. Honk honk

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>americans are literally retarded
All you needed to say. If Iran leveled the entire shithole I'm not sure too many people would care.

>iran
>Leveling anything

They can't even take out one province of jews

It's a hypothetical scenario you retarded mutt.

>I WAS ONLY PRETENDING

yeah, BioWare don't care anymore. Be warned: if you're doing it how I did it and using CE to give yourself credits for the boxes, you'll be there for a long while. Shit takes hours

I like to think I'm pretty patient, but I'm mostly interested in unlocking just a few characters that I never got. Thanks user.