This is gambling, they should ban it to protect ou're children

>positive interaction
>with a female
those are very rare by nature

i've seen videos of people emptying these games like it's no big deal, of course there are some rigged ones with shitty claws and plushie designs, but they are mostly skilled based, unlike stacker and the key ones

She was hitting on you bro, you missed your shot. I'm sorry.

That's fucking cute, I'm glad you've got such an awesome memory!

>has no grip strength
this.
It's so often the case, as we can ee with GCCX.

They literally should, these machines are 100% rigged and are only legal due to a loophole in the definition of "game of skill."
Ever seen those Stacker machines? Those are even worse.

You mean all of them?

>ou're
>trying to argue for lootboxes
Start tying that noose user, this is embarrassing.

This. If people actually trust these machines to work, they're as dumb as whalers.

Probably with adjusted machines to make it look like it's possible, but it's not. Your anecdotal evidence is of no consequence.

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>tfw 31 year old super-autist who's not attracted to anything real and not only have I had sex(twice!) and a gf(and bf!) and still see people moping about things like that
considering you're posting sad dog pictures on the internet while you opine, it's no surprise that's your only positive interaction with a female
I didn't even enjoy the sex(and would rather never have sex again.) If I could fucking do this shit, you can definitely do it too, user. This autist believes in you.

That actually requires skill and brains. If you actually "play the game" right, you get the toy. It's also not as addicting, unless you're the kind who gets addicted on anything then it's you who is the problem. Loot boxes, or "surprise mechanics" (according to EA), are designed like actual drugs or slot machines that the first taste (whether free or not) gets you coming back for more, especially if you're weak-willed. Lootboxes are also all luck and chance. There's nothing you can do to affect the outcome. Even if they are open with the odds of winning, like publishing what's your chance to get a certain item, the odds are often stacked against you.

>trying to argue for lootboxes
Does this "act like a stupid shit" act ever work out for you?

My cousin bought a house and found a old claw machine in garage that works. He put like two variables to make it non rigged and its fun af to play with

My brother won at least 5 different Simpsons plushies in less than a week once.
They all cost between 10 and 20 bucks but the crane game was only 1 dollar so he actually made quite a profit in the end.

Of course they are rigged that is the entire point.
If they weren't rigged, they wouldn't be profitable, and nobody would operate them.
If someone is dumb enough to pay money to play a rigged game, that is on them, not on the free market.

>That actually requires skill and brains.
No it doesn't.

It is already regulated retard. States set a specific amount the player needs to win. Usually it's about 1 out of 12 tries which is about $6. So you can guarantee yourself a win if you spend $6 on most claw machines and you know exactly what you'll get.

Are children mature enough to make that conscious decision?

I agree entirely.

claw machines are gambling aimed at children.

Are their parents?
Its not the responsibility of society to prevent you from being a sucker.

>a gf(and bf!)
The opinion of a cuckold/faggot means absolutely nothing. Kill yourself.

>be me
>go on youth trip with church youth group to a beach close to a town
>one of the leaders goes straight for a crane game in an arcade
>don't really think to much of it
>see him later with a bag full of the plushes from the machine
>he gives them out
>literally every time we went anywhere with a crane game he would win a load of the plushes
Its only gambling if you're bad at it. I don't think I ever witnessed him fail at a crane game once the times I did watch him.

Why are you corporate dick suckers so retarded that you don't even understand the issue? If a kid stole his dad credit card and spent thousands they wouldn't enforce the purchases, so why do you think it should be different for lootboxes?

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Do they need to constantly supervise them while they're running around the arcade fiddling with illegal machines?

yeah fuck those pieces of shit full of chink plastic. get rid of them. now.

By that logic betting on a coin toss isn't gambling because you could be skilled enough to calculate the physics of it.
Let alone betting on sporting events.

Apparently the Stacker machine user's manuals explain how the owner can set the rate of wins (ie how many successes it'll reject before someone wins) to offset the cost of the prizes they put in. Shit's rigged, yo.

Why aren't they also banning those machines? It seems the only retard who doesn't understand the premise here is you. Congratulations.

Correct.

When there is an epidemic of kids stealing hundreds of thousands of quarters to play claw machines then maybe they'll be banned.

You just made me realise how old spongebob is

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>This is gambling, they should ban it to protect ou're children.
FUNFACT: Many states do regulate claw machines

UFO catchers aren't rigged, and they make shit tons of money.

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>le pull yourself up by your bootstraps :^) argument
Hang yourself.

If your kid is able to magically generate money you got bigger things on your mind.

this. dont see what the point of this thread is, as most of these claw machines are already being regulated. its a piss poor comparison to make towards lootboxes as well.

>If someone is dumb enough to pay money to play a rigged game, that is on them, not on the free market.
That IS the free market

They're all rigged to only grip tight once every X games.

>be me

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>That is a game of skill not chance
Imagine being this naive

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>be you
>make this post
Nice.

That and the "Circle of lightbulbs" where you have to get a bulb between two neon tunes, or whatever.

What video game is this

I am absolutely floored that some people are defending loot boxes. If that "surprise mechanic" bullshit actually wins over the judge I'm going to be fucking astounded.

crane machines can't be downloaded for free, or played with peers online. video games creep into your house late at night and brainwash you so when you wake up in the morning all you want to do is smoke big cigars and play texas holdem and sell your mom's jewels to pay for fortnight skins

Muh fuck capitalism lefties are massive corporate cucks for some reason, it never made sense to me.

No, it's not gambling as it is purely based on skill.
Even if it was rigged if it's possible to get the prize then you're going to get if if you're good enough.
Lootboxes on the other hand, should be banned. Not to protect our children but to improve the gaming industry and force them to stop using this stuff to make extra money.

>That and the "Circle of lightbulbs" where you have to get a bulb between two neon tunes, or whatever.

>hit it right on time on the jackpot light
>the light goes back to the one before it
You'd think they'd at least code it to move to the next light if the jackpot light was the last one to light up instead of moving backwards so it isn't so fucking obvious that the game is rigged

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I used to win a bunch of things from these fuckers, but that doesn't mean they ain't bullshit. They're rigged as fuck.

Incorrect, they're actually rigged to only grab hard enough every X times, and yes this is limited by law.

Didn't one PR cunt get web-lynched for saying basically "He didn't mean to say X, he meant to say (X, but it was basically corpsplaining)"? I forget the context.

Post games that are 100% skill.

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I unironically agree. Ban Raw Thrills trash too. You can keep the games that are actually winnable but that your health is really a tollbooth timer shit needs to gom

Wrong. Payouts are set for a specific number of plays. I used to manage a Namco arcade. Check the manuals for any of these machines.

It's both. You need the skill to actually grab precisely onto the item and the luck that the machine doesn't drop the grip. I've got a couple boxes full of shit I've won over the years.

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Only certain ones though.
Movable coin slot = Ideal, perfect skill machine
Any moving parts other than the pusher = DANGER
Some kind of pachinko layout = PURE RNG, DO NOT ENGAGE

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>Payouts are set for a specific number of plays
It's actually funny, because by-law those numbers are required to be available and/or displayed in most states, most people just don't bother.

This is correct.

>i've seen videos of people emptying these games like it's no big deal
they own the machines

>defending lootboxed by making other bad things looks bad, anyway
HUH?

>at a waterpark with family for vacation
>decide to play crane game with a bunch of brown and white stytled mickey mouse plush characters for the hell of it
>determined to win one for my little sister who I am sitting for at the arcade
>win one the first try, and am puzzled since it was so easy
>go again and win another one. then go again and win another one. it's so easy that I never fail and keep winning these plushes I could give no shits about
>I'm on win ten and my sister is holding on to all won plushes, getting more and more annoyed
>finally after I win around 15 of them she throws them down on the ground i'm an idiot and wasting all my tokens and walks away

I was determined to get all of them, but stopped after that. That was when I realized how heavily rigged these are and how the grip of the crane is manipulated by the operator to prevent tons of winnings with these things. Because it was obvious that whoever was running these did not program this machine I was using at the time, which makes sense since it was a newer water park that opened just a month prior.

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It's called whataboutism and it's a logical fallacy

>being a shitter who can't claw the best prize on your first prize

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Stupid idiot

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BRO there was a convenience store near my childhood home that had one of these, I used to be so good at it when I was a kid and almost always profit, and use the profits to buy candy and shit.

Felt good man

>try one of these at the local mall
>it's a candy one
>it's also a "keep playing until you win" machine
>it's still blatantly rigged with no grip
???
I eventually won but I'm still bewildered as to why you would rig a machine that gives infinite free plays until you win

>akariposter is shit at crane games
Who would've thought?

You're right. I remember the time I went to use the claw machine and I had to pay 60 dollars just to activate it then I had to pay an additional 2.50 just to get the claw moving. once I paid the 60 dollars though it was just the additional 2.50 everytime i wanted to use it. good thing I paid the 60 bucks

spending enough money until the crane finally applies enough pressure to actually grab something =/= skill

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Most machines can be won either way, its just much easier every so often. If it doesn't have the appearance of fairness, people won't pay.

Went on a cruise once and the ship's casino had a machine with shrink-wrapped bundles of cash inside. The claw was rubber tipped though. Would I be wrong in thinking that makes it next to impossible to get a grip?

to keep you in the mall.

You underestimate the stupidity of a man that comes across a stuffed plus and a game that he cannot win. They're all rigged, but some people don't notice that until all the money is gone. youtu.be/IuklQw4vu3A

rooted in one spot?

>akariposter is a retard too
I bet you think playing at the baseball cages =/= skill.

>not smashing the glass and taking every plush you want

Most people don't travel alone, and the longer YOU are rooted in place, the more likely your party is to make a purchase.

Really sucks to learn about them being literally rigged and randomized.
I always just thought they had abysmal grip strength, but I never thought they were any more rigged than that. If you grabbed a light weight object and managed to encapsule it properly within the claw then I figured you'd always get it. That it'd only be if the claw couldn't grip beneath and or if the object was too heavy to lift.

Having children is a gamble, you doesn't know if the kid will be healthy or not
Let's ban reproduction

The trick is that if something seems impossible, people won't keep playing. They need to dangle the occasional success in front of potential players. It's literal shell-game tactics, but with electronic arbitrary advertising, instead of a supposed patron.

Fucking P2W

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Older vending machines allow you to stick your hand in and grab at anything on the bottom row.

>I was determined to get all of them
I was able to win 2 sets of decently sized plush of the six main character from the colorful horse cartoon in a period of 3 weeks of going to the boardwalk.

i went to school with an autisitic kid who was obsessed with these things. he even had a youtube show that was him traveling all around the state playing claw machines and winning things. never understood the appeal of them.

for me it's David's sunflower seeds

Only japanese crane machines are not rigged!

>all these unironic shills defending EA and FREEDOM (for billion dollar companies to exploit people that benefits nobody except the billion dollar company)

Wew

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Do you have any evidence of this? It seems like something you made up then tried to make valid by samefagging. You're acting like one of the children who need to be protected from these evil machines of hatred.

that's cool. but if you ever find a machine where it seems oddly simple to get a win, then odds are you can clear the whole machine in one stay due to the operator either forgetting to program it or not programming it yet. if it weren't for my sister throwing a fit and throwing them all to the ground, 40 or 50 of those Disney plushes would have been carted outta the arcade.

What the fuck does anything in this post mean? What happened to you, child?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claw_crane#Legality
And there are citations, so don't go >wikipedia

>purely based on skill.
You don't believe this, nobody can be this stupid.

>defending lootboxed
Where does that post read lootboxes?

I won my current 3DS out of a Key Master using my first dollar so I've pretty much conceded that I'll never win any of those games again

>it's less illegal if they steal less money
I don't think that's how it works.

You just need to gitgud.

won an iphone in one of these once.

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Here's a document from the Casino regulatory office regarding claw machine operation in Ohio.
casinocontrol.ohio.gov/Portals/0/Skill Games/SBAM Rules.pdf

did this online
get good you fucking noobs

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I think EA and all the other "AAA"s can go fuck themselves, and the shills are beyond pathetic.
That said, I really see no reason whatsoever why these things should be banned, and not simply transparent and restricted.

You still have to grip it though. That's the thing.
It's not a random number generator, you've still gotta have enough skill to pick out one that's easy to get, and have the skill to get it.
It's shitty that there's a percentage chance that the thing will grab tight, but it's not a percentage that means you'll win no matter what.

From the post here ()
>The ability of the crane machine owner to set features such as a payout percentage raises the question of whether these machines should be considered gambling devices in a legal sense, alongside slot machines.
Were you born like this, kid?

there's a husband and wife called Plush Time Wins who have more than 1.7 million subscribers who do the same thing. The money they make from a few videos could probably fund like more than 10 trips and a ton of tokens to the arcade and thus much more videos. I think it's the wholesomeness and thrill of the win that really attracts people to this in the case of watching it on youtube. and the atmosphere of an arcade just gives off an exciting flare. just watching these youtube videos of people at the arcade makes me want to spend some time at one. your autistic acquaintance was right to find a relatively successful niche.

>Movable coin slot = Ideal, perfect skill machine
No they aren't, there's total luck of the draw in regards to exactly how to coin bounces around in the slot and rolls out.

Did you know that scratch off lottery tickets used to have the possibility of being a potentially winning ticket in which you lost the included game?
For example, they often included rules regarding picking a starting lane, only scratching so many per lot, or having a hard number of scratches allowed. Disregarding these rules voided the ticket.
These were, in part, an attempt to game the odds of winning, but regulations forced them to abandon the scheme.

>thinking you can be good or bad at pure chance
Let me guess, you have a gambling problem?

gitgud

they just slide straight down though

>pure chance
It's arbitrary odds combined with skill, and that's assuming the "fail" state is definitive, which it isn't.

sweet, you are good.

No they don't they're specifically designed to be slightly imperfect enough for people to not be able to win consistently enough to game the system.

Yep, I'm glad that got put out of effect before I turned 18
Helps streamline the whole process

you like men

There's no skill involved, you barely have any control over the crane.

>thinking you're good because you happened to play once the machine had received enough plays to go into "actually winnable" mode
lmao retard

In truth, that style would likely have been abandoned by now either way, because the ability to scan your own ticket and redeem it at the very automated dispenser used is vastly more profitable anyway.
The number of people who buy scratch-offs and just keep "letting them roll" using the scan-code until they hit $0 is staggering.

There is definite skill involved, both in theory as it takes said skill to potentially win, and in practice as the most skillful players are able to win despite the "fail" state being active.

Any machine with some kind of $100+ electronic in it is rigged. Stacker will delay its own input to make you fail, those cutting/key games with Xboxs in them will also go past your input to avoid payout.

Youre retarded this is comparing an orange to an apple nigger they are not the same

>and in practice as the most skillful players are able to win despite the "fail" state being active.
You literally can't. The claw doesn't even grip. The game is rigged and it's only a "game of skill" when the game decides to let itself actually be possible to win, and that's where the loophole lies that lets this be legal.

>You literally can't. The claw doesn't even grip
Except it literally does, just too poorly for the general populace to win with. Again, if it truly didn't at least appear to grip sufficiently no one would keep playing.

>never understood the appeal of them.
They're cool souvenirs, coupled with the memory of how you acquired them. That's the appeal as far as I am concerned.
If I am somewhere new or special and I see a claw machine, I typically give them a chance for the sake a souvenir. But I would never seek them out otherwise and people who deliberately go out of their way specifically to play claw machines are most likely just obsessed.

He's not really wrong though, the only reason coin tosses and the like seem random is because human perception and manual ability are too limited to, generally, influence the outcome sufficiently to be relevant.

say that to my face after winning what was in the box mother fucker

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>Claw doesn't grip
>Still able to knock plush into the hole
Nigga you don't need to be able to grip.

>There is definite skill involved
No.

No it doesn't. It has zero grip and just slides right off. Any win you get in the loss state is a complete and utter fluke and in a properly set up machine it will be literally impossible.
Stop defending this literal rigged jew shit

If the prizes are stacked high enough for that to be possible, it just means the operator didn't read the manual.

is that manlet tears? I'm honestly amazed that you haven't killed yourself yet.

>defending
Nigga, its gambling, i'm not defending anything. The practice is scummy as hell, but the whole scheme is regulated.
It's also literally true that the "best" players of the games are able to routinely win, regardless of fail state being active.

It requires sufficient manual control and hand-eye co-ordination, alongside the ability to accurately perceive the depth despite intentionally distorting glass.

>If the prizes are stacked high enough for that to be possible, it just means the operator didn't read the manual.
Shift happens over time. Especially over the months or years between operators refilling the game. It's not hard to imagine other people playing knocked some around and made it easy to knock one down. Even more with the light grip the machine gives. It might not be enough to pick it up and put it in the bin, but it might be enough to bring it up enough to tumble down or unsettle another one. This can happen whether you've got the win state or lose state. Most of the games I've played, even in the lose state, it'll at least tease you a bit by bringing it up before dropping it, since that'll keep you playing.

The claw machine I used was $2 and you only got one shot to get a big toy but after that you had unlimited shots to get the smaller toys

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This shit causes too much frustration to be addictive.

21 with the v-brand ain't even that bad. Just put yourself into situations you can't escape from being a mildly social person. Studying abroad did it for me, even banged a Japanese girl my first time. You realize it's no big deal afterwards.

You can't drop 200 USD in 2 seconds into a claw machine you fucking shitposting nigger

>stop having kids goy

Ill bite. "Don't tell mom"

A bunch of foreigners come to work over here through some work exchange program for college.
Fucked like 3 Russian and Ukrainian chicks over the last few summers.
Honestly wouldn't have happened if I didn't go out to get a job for fun over the summer. Ended up paired up with this qt selling shit to tourists, and ended up fucking later in the summer when she was about to leave. It was pretty cool. Pretty good confidence booster.

Ok

>It's also literally true that the "best" players of the games are able to routinely win, regardless of fail state being active.
No they aren't, not when the machines are set up properly. It's rigged. It's not "gambling" when they don't tell you it's gambling, it's a scam. Stop defending this shit.

>I really see no reason whatsoever why these things should be banned, and not simply transparent and restricted.

Naw man since really if one thinks about it shit is like a slot machine. Which even if one looks it up slot machine are designed to take advantage of the mentally ill like gambling addicts. But unlike slot machines which are regulated and illegal to be played by minors. Loot boxes really are not given how easy it is for kids to be able and allowed to purchase then in games simply by buying over the age of 13. So loot boxes which are designed to be like slot machines are in a shit ton of homes and exposed to a shit ton of kiddos whos parent are technologically illiterate as all fuck. The vidya is choosing to not do anything and just go ham on loot box monetization so sadly cause them fuckos have decided to not self regulate like they did when the whole violence shit happened some years ago which most dumb fucks around here dont even seem to remember. Loot boxes are going through the same fucking thing now given the easy access kiddos and the mentally ill have to them now a day.
And even then before anyone tries the whole loot boxes are like trading cards or kinder eggs. Well fucking naw to that as well since. Even if one wanted to spend thousands of cash on them they will still be limited to the amount available and amount that fucking distributors would want to sell to one even if one managed to get to them. meaning that unlike the unlimited amount of lootboxes available physical shit is curtailed by the fact that only so many can and are made.

The machine was probably set up by someone who doesn't know how to properly adjust the payout rate and left it on the default setting if you are winning consistently. They are literally designed to only allow a win after a cash threshold has been lost already.

My wife will get a prize out of these at least a third of the time the skill comes from accounting for the weak grip

>accounting for the weak grip
Literally not possible. If it's not squeezing, it's not squeezing.
If someone's winning a third of the time, the machine was set up improperly to allow wins way too often.

>21
nice sympathy post zoomer

It grabs and brings up the prize a bit to keep people playing. Most of the time it doesn't let go until it's near the top.
You can play around that.

>School has vending machines
>Kettle Jalapeno chips and Reese's
>Barq's from the soda vending machine right next to it
Those were my vending machine jam

So, I'm clueless about this, but does it have a number already associated with it, or do you have to go to the nearest phone kiosk or whatever?

>Eating bird food
Ca-caw

>It grabs and brings up the prize a bit to keep people playing. Most of the time it doesn't let go until it's near the top
No it doesn't. If it lifted it off the ground at all it was a winnable play.

I've had it consistently do it all the time on multiple machines.

Then you're either lying or the machine wasn't set up properly. The manuals for these things are posted online, this isn't secret information.

>that one time I won a prize figure out of one of these in Japan with just 200 yen
It was one of the easier ones and I didn't even want the figure (ended up selling it, easy 15 bucks), but man I felt like a million dollars at that moment.

Dota 2

official theme thread:
youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0csaYjpWk

over here many of these machines will not stop until you manage to get something, perfectly legal and not gambling

official thread video:
youtu.be/Su-nST04xIs

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If you spend enough you can usually bug the staff to give you what you want, especially if you're doing ti for the kids.

You can legitimately bet on a coin toss in a casino here. It's an Australian game called "Two Up"

>It requires sufficient manual control
Incorrect.

We had one of these bad boys in our super market
Me and a friend who were big south park friends wanted the stuffed cartman and kenny doll inside they looked like an easy grab too
We probably spend a few bucks on these but we actually won then we found out holy fuck this is fun
We actually became good and used our powers to empty that shit had a whole bag full of plushies and gifted the most to my mom

How does the amount of money factor into this? Were you home schooled?

>Vending machine at my workplace
>Delicious tuna sandwiches mixed with disgusting sausage sandwiches
>In order to get the tuna sandwich, someone has to get the sausage one.

Is this consider gambling as well? Because I want to sue them

Why did you bother making up that story?

I think he's trying to make the point with digital loot boxes you can and do have the option to buy like 100+ crates in one purchase and therefore you can brute force payments to acquire your items eventually where as a claw machine no matter how much money you throw at it will never give you said item if you don't possess some sort of manual dexterity skill.

>letting them roll

I dont know why your post intrigues me but can you explain to me what's rolling and what hitting 0?

Dont care if people dont believe me its just one of the little things in my life that make me happy and i wanted to share that

They're literally rigged to have no grip strength until a certain amount of coins are inserted

T. Person who never won at the claw machine

>But unlike slot machines which are regulated and illegal to be played by minors.
But they aren't banned. They are restricted, though not nearly as transparrent as they could be.
Transparency and restrictions remain what should be done about this, not outright banning the very concept.

I've won plenty of times, they're still rigged though

t. dunning-kruger

I got the 3,000 at least 8-9 times in a row once just by replicating the same hip, hand, wrist movements and same strength. This is a pretty decent game.

No you just suck dick
Also his name is dunning krüger you fucking retard

Ahh yes, I too enjoy the times I hit the fixed coin threshold and the game automatically goes over to the exact prize I want, picks it up and places it neatly in the bin.

>had sex twice
>had both a gf and a bf
These facts don’t add up. Someone you only had sex with once is not your gf or bf.

>not going to round 1 and getting a "reset" on the prize
Ya'll need to use some social skills.

Your story is bullshit unless he knew the owners because crane games are rigged 99% of the time and the other 1% is when the staff fucked up calibrating them.

One time I found a machine that actually payed out and I won like 7 plushies in a row, but normally they just drop the toy, even if you pick it up perfectly.

The additional friction the rubber would create would actually cause it to grip better I would think. Tires are made of rubber for a reason after all.

This is mental gymnastics, they should ban it to protect the sanctity of argument.

Making these machines “transparent” is functionally equivalent to banning them because no person on the planet would play one if it had a screen that showed how many more times you need to play until it pays out.

Probably wasn't rubber, but coated plastic.
If that's the case it'd make it even harder to grab. Probably not as hard as bare claw though.

What's the point of this post?

Casinos are one of the most regulated industries in America. Even the regulations on a single slot machine probably outnumber the regulations most smaller industries have.

I don't have to pay 60 yurobucks to get into the arcade and can even sell the stuff i won on ebay long after the shop closed.

Damn, i wish i could be a chad like you. teach me your ways alpha male

Post says you're determined to lose unless you hit the pay threshold.
Implies you can't lose if the game "pays out" by giving you grip strength.

The reply is obviously mocking the logic.

This analogy only works if the claw machine was able to detect the value of the prize you're aiming for before determining the grip strength of the claw, and you could spend infinite money on them without the machine emptying out. Also claw machines are regulated in several states so your point is moot.

Now imagine you pay $2 but don't get the option to pick which snack you get. That's the equivalent of toolboxes.

>toolboxes
*lootboxes
fucking autocorrect

>phoneposters

All the prizes are usually 50c soft toys though

Bitch.

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Lootbox drops aren't of equal value.

>autocorrect on PC
?????????????????????????

Well they are because they're all effectively worth nothing

Please fucking do. Dont yell at me because your lil nigga blew $20 on Big Bass Wheel.

cleared out an entire claw machine once since whoever configured it left the grip super tight on all turns

>using autocorrect on a fucking desktop
that's even worse than phoneposting

The steam marketplace would like a word with you.

Don't try to backpedal now, it just makes you look pathetic.

That's 2 games where you can resell your in-game skins for fake money but that is not true for the other 99% of lootbox games

imagine being as bad at your job as the people Epic and EA sent to Parliament

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that wasn't me
I'm

Pathetic.

>we don't call it rape, it's surprise sex

Did this nigga grow up on 2006 Yea Forums memes

We don't call it piracy, its surprise discounts.

Except people can buy those in-game skins for real money.

Lootbox drops have demonstrable values set by the developers. A drop that has a 2% chance to drop AND costs 3000 gold/dust/whatever to craft is inherently worth more than a drop that has a 20% chance and only costs 300 of the same units. And you cannot justifiably say they have zero value since people are willing to pay actual money to roll for them.

>multiple people call you out for being a smoothbrain that can't even bother to spell himself
>others are the pathetic ones
yeah okay bud

There are more than 2 games you can buy stuff from lootboxes on valve's marketplace.

>I know we sold heroin to kids, but they were bad kids so it's not our fault

>despretaely trying to save face after failing to call out phoneposter over a fucking spelling error in a Yea Forums post because you're too much of a mushbrained dipshit to address the actual point being made
What a retard.

Crane machines are, in fact, subject to gambling legislation, require a specific license to hold, and can be reclassified to adult-only if they're found to have been set up to minimize the impact of skill, as per the ordinance on Non-complex cat D gaming machines.

Meanwhile, lootboxes are subject to fuck all.

>We can't tell you anything about our players because they're 12 year olds we're deliberately exploiting

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Source on this document?

Are people like you honestly argueing that a claw machine is skill based and not gambling? Are you fucking stupid?

I'm arguing that it's both.

gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-06-20-epic-and-ea-execs-squirm-under-scrutiny-from-british-mps

Also here's video if you want to see how a paid EA shill operates in real time

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Have you tried talking to a girl?

It's more skill based than lootboxes and yet its still subject to gambling regulations.

It's as much skill based as peeing on a target is. Pretty much everyone can do it.
The 'difficulty' comes from the machine being rigged. It's a stupid statement.

No that's robbery.

Can't argue with that though.

Bullshit and you know it. Any retard can press a button to open a lootbox and "win". The prize will probably be shit, but they'll still "win" something.
Sit someone in front of the machine, set it to not pussy out on the grip and people will still lose. It might not take much skill to win, but there's still skill involved.
Pressing the "A" button to roll some shitty item is as skill based as pulling a lever on a slot machine.

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Shame WHO mostly focused on how EA and Epic handle what they newly coined 'gaming disorder', instead of focusing on the predatory practice of lootboxes. Yeah they discussed it, but mostly in the light of that 'gaming disorder' bullshit.

Or in Japan
>claw closes and there's no overt rigging, but
>prizes are oddly shaped with no real grippable surfaces
>covered in felt-oil so that they slip easily
>surface is covered with things to catch on.

You are like the people who see obvious evidence of a triggerbot hack in an FPS and go "NO IT'S ALL SKILL YOU'RE JUST BAD."

Don't tell mom

Because kids waste maybe like 3 dollars at one at most before they realize its rigged.

If you're going to gamble like a degenerate why not crypto or something that's going to make you rich if it pays out instead of ridiculously obviously rigged games that maybe give you $1,000 back.

I don't want lootboxes or premium stores in non-free-to-play games because there will always be the inherent concern that developers/publishers will design the game around it. If history is of any indication, that concern is 100% validated.

For example. What's stopping them from making World 2 of Mario ridiculously hard in order to advertise in-game that you can pay $$$ in the premium store? To obtain more lives, reduce enemy count, or attain an item providing invincibility? I could never trust these faggots that any form of difficulty isn't just a deliberate, disgusting attempt to coax my wallet. It's hard to trust these obstacles as being the result of proper game design to challenge me when there is a shiny symbol telling me it is skippable. And lootboxes are the same cancer with a different paint on that regard.

While I'm at it. I fucking hate investors or whomever is in charge of introducing these elements to video games. Always chasing after ever more profits. Why isn't it ever enough to make above one's expenditures and call it a day? Why must it always be: "Well, we've made $10 million profit last year, so let's make it $50 million this year!". And so on, and so on. As if the market has infinite cash to spare. And when profits 'capped', so to speak, they shift the blame to everyone else.
>we couldn't make enough money hence why these surprise mechanics needed to be implemented

It's """skill-based""". The same kinda logic that lets gachapon machines operate in Japan. Has absolutely nothing to do with lootboxes.

Try better next time shitposter-kun.

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Saying "no" is not an argument. Refute what he's saying or shut the fuck up.

So a lower price makes it less of a scam? Why does this stupid shit reasoning keep being posted through the thread? Is it collective brain damage?

This is only true in to states in the USA. These laws are rarely enforced.

There's no skill involved in a mechanical system this simple, the only human input is the positioning. This does not amount to skill of any meaningful sort. No amount of mental gymnastics and delusions is going to change that.

>the only human input is the positioning.
That's already more meaningful skill than what lootboxes entail.

Only the first half his post addressed the price, learn to read.

Your definition of "skill" makes me think you have trouble tying your own shoelaces.

Who's to say that user is the protagonist?

Do you even read? *dabs*

Not an argument. Also you seem to keep pretending to be multiple people every time someone calls you out on your stupid shit posts. Why not own the crap you're posting?

There's literally no skill involved in an action that any one with depth perception can do
the real kicker is at least with a lootbox you're guaranteed to get something back opposed to the crane

Explain how opening a lootbox and getting the item you want involves equal amount of skill and human input as positioning a claw and grabbing the item you want.

You're guaranteed to get something back with the crane games too. You can get back a tangible prize or feelings of despair and anger.

>all these people that have zero idea how claw machines work
how do you people exist when the internet is a thing?

>There's literally no skill involved in an action that any one with depth perception can do
Demonstrably false.

I'm not the one who made that post. Sorry to break it to you but everyone who disagrees with your inane viewpoint is not the same person.
Also it is in fact an argument. Your inability to refute it doesn't change that fact. Stop embarrassing yourself.

No you're fucking not lmao
9 times out of 10 the prize will fall out of the because the claw doesn't apply enough grip strengthen until enough money has been spent unless you're lucky enough to play a claw machine at it's money milestone you're going to end up with no money and no prize

>it's okay as long as we just steal a few bucks from children.
You disgust me.

Imagine being so contrarian on an anonymous imageboard and so desperate for attention you defend lootboxes.

Imagine being so contrarian on an anonymous imageboard and so desperate for attention you defend claw games

Moving the crane = selecting the lootbox item from a menu. That's what your turd for brains defines as "skill."
Sort yourself out, son.

"letting them roll" like constantly rolling the dice in Craps. Never taking the winnings and leaving the table. Same thing happens all the time with ticket lottery, they win as much as a grand and will blow in back in the machine until the burn out of that winnings or worse. Gambling fucks with the brain in a bad way.

Yet you're replying to the same line of conversation. Either own the argument you're stepping into, or stop being a coward and pretending to be several people, as if argumentum ad populum ever worked as an argument.

>Moving the crane = selecting the lootbox item from a menu.

You have actual shit for brains. Get your head out of your ass.

And then you win feelings of anger and despair user. Your reaction only just proves my point.

I agree what's your point? Hell they likely would be gone by now if it wasn't for the fact arcades have declined and only white trash centrals have these damn things everywhere. Hell I didn't know they were still a thing till I visited West Virginia and every god damn store seem to have one.

You know I never thought about
Maybe claw machines were a necessary evil to teach kids how to handle disappointment and anger in a controlled environment

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Good thing I never used ad populum as an argument. You being a delirious newfag who can't accept different people responding to you in the same conversation is not my problem.

>or stop being a coward and pretending to be several people,
How about you stop being a retard and actually put forth an argument.

No counter arguments? There is no skill involved in either. This is why it's easier to just reply with single word negatives to your explosive diarrhoea posts.

>implying majority of the thread hasn't acknowledged that claw games are rigged and considered gambling by several states
They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so it's nice of you to just thoughtlessly copy paste random words but unless you can start scrounging up arguments then this is the last (You) you get, you retarded animal.

>Good thing I never used ad populum as an argument.
Pretending to be several people when you're just one in here displays exactly that kind of reasoning, that you're somehow right because someone else agrees with you. Be smart, don't post stupid shit, own the garbage you post or don't engage at all and keep your incorrect ideas to yourself.

>West Virginia
what the hell is wrong with that state? People talk about California all the time but WV is filled with the cliche country hicks and they fucking drive worse than China.

Horrible atmosphere ITT. I just wanted to point out that gambling or not, playing these things gives you a thrill even if you don't win. It's not like you get money for beating an arcade game but we still pay for it.

I don't see the relation between this and lootboxes.

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>Pretending to be several people when you're just one in here displays exactly that kind of reasoning, that you're somehow right because someone else agrees with you.
What a pathetic attempt at a strawman. You're actually braindamaged.

>Be smart, don't post stupid shit, own the garbage you post or don't engage at all and keep your incorrect ideas to yourself.
Take your own advice, you hypocritical simp.

I was agreeing with you on both accounts there's no reason to be rude, asshole

Those machines are already regulated by law to pay out after a set amount. Are you willing to support regulations that say loopholes have to pay out after a set amount and let you pick what you get?

>I was agreeing with you by imitating you and parroting you word for word
Fuck off.

These things unironically should be regulated, but I know it's ridiculous to call for it

Does it cost 99.99 (BEST DEAL!) for twenty plays?

Whoa, I get it. You are comparing a UFO catcher to loot boxes. That is pretty clever OP. This truly is an epic gamer moment we've shared here today.

Hey fuck you, there are both people in this simultaneously defending loot-boxes AND crane games

>There is no skill involved in either. This is why it's easier to just reply with single word negatives to your explosive diarrhoea posts.
This mental abortion of a post is your idea of an argument?

The fact of the matter is that positing a claw takes at least a modicum of skill. You could argue that it's a trivial skill, but the argument that it takes LITERALLY no skill whatsoever and is comparable to choosing a menu option is objectively false and pants-on-head-retarded. The issue with claw machines is that they're rigged to minimize the chances of paying out, which is why they're considered gambling and regulated to a larger degree than lootboxes. Your turd brain is incapable of understanding this simple fact.

>Worked in kids restaurant thing
>Had a prize grabber
>Mom comes up and asks "has anyone ever won from this"
>I actually have and say yes
>"you're not lying to me, are you"? She says
>Tell her no
>She goes for it
>Wins two in a row

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>Yea Forums is now pro-lootbox and pro-AAA
Just imagine

It's just a vocal minority of braindead shitposters and kike enablers. It's like this in every thread

>implying kids even give a shit about these when their eyes are glued to their iphones when they're outside the house

They already are in some places.

Never forget these ancient lessons of wisdom from vidya.

Real talk; why the fuck do they rig these in the first place? Is it just to maximise profit?

That and to ensure operators don't lose money on the machine. Someone who's good enough to grab a prize every time they play and empty out the machine is all it takes to kill any profit they would make.

technically yes but imagine having one of these inside the home of every child only the coins don't stay there but get mailed to EA, instead
kinda paints it in a different light huh

>Moving the crane = selecting the lootbox item from a menu.
Shit m8. I think you might actually be retarded. Like I think you had developmental issues growing up.

There's no skill involved, you barely have any control over it

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>these machines “transparent”
I was talking about loot boxes, not crane games.