You've already played the greatest Star Wars game ever made, right, Yea Forums?

Really though, the best Star Wars game is The Force Unleashed

The Force Unleashed is all style over substance, KOTOR 2 actually made you think.

I played this shit religiously when it first came out for like three years. I can't bring myself to play it anymore, it feels like I know the entire game by muscle memory. single saber Sith Marauder Master Race

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I played TIE Fighter ages ago.

The Steam update for the game does nothing for the restored content. TSLRCM is still separate.

Was she right in the end, Yea Forums? Would the galaxy be better off without the Force?

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We are in a galaxy without the force.
You tell me.
I don't see any galactic empires and genetically engineered catgirls do you?

Force = religion
So yes, the universe would be better without religion.

We have God, that's kind of like the Force. Sort of.

Nah, Atton really nailed it on the head. She hates the Force because she can only control it so much, and worse she's afraid that it manipulates her towards ends that she can't understand. Kreia is a user of things and people, and anything she can't manipulate she would rather destroy.

Her stance is that the Force mandates wars of balance. If the Force were an entirely benevolent entity which maintained a balance between sides without the need for conflict, Kreia wouldn't have a problem with it (beyond some personal quibbles about a lack of free will, but honestly she'd get over it). She takes umbrage with it to the point of wanting to destroy it because the Force's primary mechanism for reasserting balance is warfare on a galactic scale, ones the balance has tipped too far to one side or another. It doesn't maintain itself well, and in the span of a century or less a half-dozen major wars can rage, killing possibly billions.

So from that perspective, yes, the galaxy would be better off without the Force. But if the Force were more efficient in how it maintained itself and the balance it tries to enforce, it would be fine.

get fuck outta here with that shit
that nigga can't even give us one fucking real catgirl, what the fuck is his point?

I would take her more seriously if she wasn't such a massive hypocrite.

Isn't this an argument for the Sith, though? The Sith seek to assert their own will upon the Force. If you can't trust the Force to balance itself without wiping out billions of lives, maybe you can FORCE the Force to balance. Maybe you can assert your own will on the Force, in the interests of harmony.

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>buy them both on sale a few days ago
>KOTOR requires a fucking trillion mods to run good on modern systems and I CBA
>don't want to play KOTOR2 first

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The Kotor series has such boring environments. They are full of grey corridors

> run good on modern systems
just install it on steam and press the "play" button, nigga

Honestly, I liked he first one better. I know II was DEEP but I just flowed a lot better.

I wouldn't say so, no. The Sith hope to utilize the Force to assert their own passions, not truly to assert their own will over the Force. At least some are prepared to acknowledge that they can only use the Force to their benefit for so long as the Force is willing to entertain them, but just because many tend to ascribe control over the Force to themselves doesn't make it true. They're as bound to the Force's will as the Jedi are, and just because they use it for personal gain doesn't mean that they're bounded by limits of the Force's making. It determines how far it will allow them to go, and when they (collectively) go too far, another conflict will come to thin them out and drive them back into their place. They are the weights on the scale, not the scale itself, and any assertion that they have control over the scale is arrogance. They can't even see the mechanism.

I have it on Steam but it doesn't run at 1920X1080 and you have to install a bunch of mods and ahhhhhhhhhhhhh CBA

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Playing kotor2 first is great, though.
t. started with 2

it doesn't run at 1920 x 1080 for me either
but frankly, I stopped caring an hour into the game

Playing through kotor1 at the moment just got to kashyk and having fun only problem is the Jedi robes suck dick for defence and I cant use powers wearing decent armour. Is it better to have defence or use abilities?

Recently started another playthrough because I saw a thread here. I love this game. Only need one more achievement (acquire all light side powers) which I somehow missed each time. Only just got off Telos, so the fun is just starting.

Literally on the next planet you can have 10 party members, pacing is the weakest part of k2

It's always better to have abilities. Valor alone gives you enough DEX to have a couple more points of AC, and offensive powers like Lightning and the like can CC far better than strict melee combat one at a time can.

A man of class I see.

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The mod literally takes like 10 fucking seconds

Should have dumped all of your stats into Dex and taken Lightsaber Finesse feat.

Doesn't the mod make your HUD tiny?

your penis is tiny but there is no mod for that

I'm a grower not a shower

1920x1080 HUD is perfectly visible unless you're playing on a huge TV, in which case you're a faggot anyway.

came here to post/read this

>can't get best girl as party member and cure her of autism with your dick
Obsidian fucked up.
Atris was clearly set up for a bigger role.

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Of course I have.

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>Atris was clearly set up for a bigger role.

Well if you weren't aware it was originally meant to be possible for her to become either a party member or the final boss (she'd become Traya), so you're right about that

couldnt get past the first two shitty unlikable companions and story that didnt make sense

>Atton
>unlikable

PURE PAZAAK

>Atton
>unlikable
He's one of the best bros in Star Wars, what are you smoking?

FPBP

>dude he is edgy and with a wicked sense of humour! just like me!
cringe

That's not Atton at all, but I didn't expect anything better from a guy who couldn't get past tutorial zone.

>LOL DUDE FUCK JEDI AND SITH! I USED TO KILL AND TORTURE JEDI AND LOVED IT! WANNA FIGHT?
>this isn't atton at all!!
cringe

zoom zoom

>dude, we deconstructed a purposefully simplistic moral philosophy
the circle jerk over this game is ridiculous

>If the Force were an entirely benevolent entity which maintained a balance between sides without the need for conflict, Kreia wouldn't have a problem with it (beyond some personal quibbles about a lack of free will, but honestly she'd get over it).
She also tells us that a culture finds itself in conflict, or it finds itself wanting. Conflict is a fact of life; she wants the Exile to engage with the reality of the galaxy.

Baiting or stupid?

Nice no argument, retard. Go jerk off to your shitty rogue wannabe.

>if the story doesn't explain everything to me I don't like it
Good job outing yourself as retarded

You didn't present anything to argue about in the first place you dumb faggot. Saying "I dont like character because he was stupid" is not a fucking argument you brain damaged 12 year old.

>dude saying PURE PAZAAK and that he is the best are valid arguments tho!
The absolute state of double standard hypocrites.

Yes

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Yes, but there's a difference between conflict engaged in through choice and conflict which is forced upon you, and not just forced upon you by circumstance but by the arbitrary and invisible ruling of an omnipresent galactic force. Kreia makes it quite clear that her greatest issue with the Force is the presumption that it has the right to decide what balance is, and when to enforce it. She isn't naive enough to think that conflict will stop if the Force is gone, nor do I think she would want it to be. But, so far as Kreia is concerned, the Force cannot be the element which decides when war must happen, and who must die, or prevail. Events must be free to take their own course, to their own outcome.

But you're also describing states there, where a sheltered group sitting around a card-table gets to decide who fights, and when, and why. And yet she also says that war isn't about ships and machines, it's about ideals and morals and ideas; while the Force is certainly a lens through which these things are expressed, it's hardly the only lens.
Ultimately, if Kreia believes anything, it's that man must be overcome, to give way to the overman. Because KOTOR2 is ultimately about Nietzsche.

1>2

PC "gaming," everyone.

The Force's "morals" are what decides what is and isn't seen as ultimately justifiable as a rationale for conflict, however, which is Kreia's issue. You keep talking about men, but there are no men in this equation as she sees it. She WANTS it to be about men, but it's not. It's about the Force, and what the Force decides need balanced, and when, and where, and why. You're speaking about the ideal world she wants to have when the Force is gone, but that can't be achieved with the Force still present, because no individual has true free will.

I'm not the first person you were arguing with in the first place you absolute retard I was calling you out for being a retard.

Lana a shit!
And yes I did.

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Play it with the restoration mod, AI mod, High Level Force Powers, and Partyswap. It's absurd how much they managed to add back in.

>multiple mentions of being an exile and not having lost your lightsaber
where the fuck was i supposed to know about this shit
>get to snow cunts place
>"i never expected you to come back"
>"i didnt expect to come back"
who the fuck are these people, why the fuck is the story missing this information

>you are retarded because you don't like my shitty favourite character!!!
Grow up.

In setting? No. Because when the Force is violently stripped from people, especially Force Sensitives, they tend to horribly die. Kreia's plan would have, even if it didn't kill -everyone-, would kill more than enough people to destabilize a lot of planets all at once and set the galaxy into a death spiral.

Whats with all the KOTOR threads lately? I started a playthrough of K2 a week ago and finished it now i'm at the end of a K1 playthrough. Good fun using the restoration patches and a ton of weapon mods. Blaster Overhaul is a great one.
I now realise how superior the writing is in 2 compared to 1. 1 is honestly pretty bad at times. It has so much more content though, and its way more polished and stable than 2. I really hope these games get remade or remastered one day.

Kotor runs off of a modified D20 system like 3.PF D&D. The low AC only looks like a problem, Jedi are basically wizards and can do whatever they want. Even a Consular can buff themselves into outfighting most enemies.

summer

The steam update just added widescreen resolutions, achievements and workshop. It didnt restore any content. You still need the mod.

She was right in that her observations and critiques of the force, jedi and sith were accurate. But I dont think her solution was realistic. Removing the force is just removing one catalyst for war and death. History is still in flux and non-force sensitives still wage war. See: Mandalorians.
I tend to side with K2's Revan, or at least what Kreia implies Revan was up to. Mastering the force and subordinating it to the will rather than being a slave to it (whether light side or dark side).
In the end thats ultimately what she wanted for the Exile too. Part of her goal was to ensure that even if her plan to end the force failed, she would have sucessfully trained the Exile to master it.

pretzels

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Side A
>I want to help people and use the force for good
Side B
>I want to use the force to kill people, rape women and kill children while looking like a literal monster out of some Fable games
OH MY GOD YOU ARE LITERALLY THE SAME! THE FORCE IS THE PROBLEM!

is Kotor 2 the radical centrism of videogames?

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The first game is better

When exactly did the jedi masters help people and use the force for good out of their own volition?

No you fucking idiot.
Apathy is death. You have to take a side. But you need to be aware that the dogma of the Jedi and the Sith is incomplete and all the answers aren't found in the light side or the dark side. There is truth in both.
The Jedi serve the good but in doing so they allow billions of people to be slaughtered, why? Because they were afraid. They brainwashed Revan to do their bidding, why? Afraid. They exiled the jedi exile from K2, why? Afraid. For all their talk the Jedi are only for the "greater good" unless it threatens their power. They are too proud and blind to see the universe from the common perspective and are completely unwilling to let go of the force they depend on. Kreia spends the whole game beating you over the head with these themes its a wonder you didn't understand.
As for the Sith, there is a lot of truth in their code. Like Jolee said, passions are good, love is a positive thing not a negative thing to deny people. Its natural for people to fall in love and instead of forcing people to become emotionless robots they should be taught to deal with their feelings rationally. These things encourage strength not weakness. The Sith understand that. Their darwinian view on meritocracy isnt inherently evil either, its more morally ambiguous, but it's certainly effective.
What they get wrong is the fact the conflate passions with vices and indulgence. They dont adhere to any discipline or self restraint like the Jedi and give in to their lower selves. The dark side enslaves them and they become glorified drug addicts chasing that breif power high from acts of cruelty.
The Jedi and Sith are both slaves to the will of the force just in different ways.
This is the core lesson that Kreia tries to teach you.

but thinking that they are both bad is a side, I didn't bother with the rest because your premise was already bad so you probably just wrote more garbage

Thats nostalgia talking

On a technical level its much better but writing wise its fucking garbage. The dialogue in 1 is really bad most of the time. The companions were the only high quality parts of the writing. HK, Canderous, Bastila, Carth, Jolee, they were all great. Malak is a joke of a villain and Revan talks like a 10 year old though.

>but thinking that they are both bad is a side
You can be light or dark without being jedi or sith you dyslexic faggot
The game does not advocate centrism its teaching you to question things even if they appear good or bad on the surface. Stop putting everything into neat labels so you can break the universe down and categorise it. Judge ideas and actions as they are by themselves.

thats the last part of the linear beginning

it does tho
multiple people and even some companions advocate how for normal people Jedi and Sith are basically the same and don't see any difference.

Are you not reading my posts or are you just really thick headed?

>start game for first time
>take a few sessions to get through peragus
>its actual fucking hell
>finally power through finish it
>take a break
>that was four months ago and i havent touched the game since
I should probably give it another go

but the game does advocate a third way against the dogmatic nature of Jedi and Sith dichotomy

Telos is not quite as bad, but still linear. At least you have some actual dialogue choices and a superficial branching path.

Kreia is literally a Sith Lord and you can only pick between Jedi and Sith

>its actual fucking hell
>ant even play a 1 hr intro segment
Peragus is one of the best parts of the game, go back to fortnite

>multiple people and even some companions advocate how for normal people Jedi and Sith are basically the same
In how they fight, and use the force, and that's it. No one says the sith and jedi code are the same. The random npcs know that the sith are worse than jedi. And most people would want the jedi in control than the sith. What kinda game where you playing because it wasn't this.

>The random npcs know that the sith are worse than jedi.
Not on Dantooine. Not Atton.

Atton was literally a Sith assassin and I'm fairly sure the people on Dantooine dont hate the Jedi more than the Sith lmao.

>Dantooine
You mean the place that was bomb during the sith war? The place where nearly every npc said that times where better before the sith came? The place that still revers the ruined jedi temple, that Dantooine?
>Atton
You mean the guy who hate jedi because of his own backstory, but would still rather have the jedi rule than the sith? Don't believe me, play a dark side run and see how quickly he begs for you to not be a sith.

Perpetual suffering is just the condition of beings with ego, I don't think it's the force's fault that people might lust for control or power or wealth and be willing to harm others for it.

that's not kotor

That's not Jedi Academy.

Treating Kreia like she's a real Sith is missing the point. She dons the guise of Traya again only to manipulate Sion; note that she doesn't appear that way to Atris, despite having "claimed" the mantle again to Visas in the Restored Enclave. She tried both the way of the Jedi and the Sith, and found them both wanting. While she calls herself Traya to Sion and dresses the part, it's only to manipulate him to ensure the circumstances of the Exile's final confrontation with him. Kreia in the Trayus Core is no different than Kreia was on the Ebon Hawk. She's behaving the same, with the same principals, because that was her point: adhering to either side of the dichotomy is foolish, because the dichotomy itself is foolish. Action, not philosophy, is what has purpose.

I want Chris Avellone to lead a team of designers that will remake both KOTOR 1 and 2 and start work on a KOTOR 3.
IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK, LORD?

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Based and blue/yellow/red-pilled

Way to completely miss the point of the game user.
She isnt the same at all she was literally lying to you and manipulating you for the entire game, she even says so on Malachor. Thats why she's the betrayer.

Yes I have.

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No not even close. It's a fun rpg though.

Because you lack the mental faculties doesnt mean it doesnt make other people think user

>not saber staff marauder with maxed out flurry, dual fighting and force speed

You don't like 5 hits a round?

This makes me laugh but also feel pure sadness that this is how KOTORs legacy died

>tells me I missed the point
>defeats his own argument
Her lying to you the entire game means that she WAS always acting the same way, no matter the context. She was always Kreia, the fusion of Kae as she was and Traya as she was, the person who knew both empathy and betrayal, and who can both train and manipulate. She taught you and manipulated you and betrayed you, and none of that was a contradiction in her behavior, because she was adhering to no "side" but instead to her own goals and ideals.

I think you may be a bit slow

Really makes you think huh?

I'm not seeing an argument here, buddy.

you're all very good people

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Based is exclusively playing Outcast on Jedi Master difficulty without quicksaves.
Every fucking gunfight, every lightsaber duel (even 1-on-1 reborn battles), is some of the most intense shit I've ever encountered in gaming. The feeling when you come out of a fight with no shields and like 5 HP is otherworldly, especially when you know just around the corner is a ammo/shield dispenser.

Played it the day it came out.

After they're done with Baldur's Gate and Divinity 3, Kotor 3 would be the complete trifecta. maybe a Fallout game in there somewhere if God really loves us

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>information revealed later in the game

I want to fuck Kreia

i unironically played the xbox version through 6 times, once as all 3 classes and their advanced version as both dark/light sider

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He has more important things to do twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1140779028166483969

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You mean Republic Commando?

tfw no Mission romance mod

/thread

that's a mod

Yes, Jedi Power Battles was fucking great

t-t-two mommies?

We have to go back.

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no, except in the same way that the galaxy could be argued to be better off without any life either.
>Her stance is that the Force mandates wars of balance.
same thing with life, life kills, life destroys, life terrifies.
the force does not complicate or worsen life more than life does by itself.
there are tyrannical madmen that had nothing to do with the force, mandaloreans threatened to destroy the republic the same way the sith did, it makes no arguable difference.

>greatest Star Wars game
Not saying much there, but yes I played

>After they're done with Baldur's Gate and Divinity 3, Kotor 3 would be the complete trifecta.
you did not put the cart before the horse, the cart is on another planet and the horse has not been born yet.
larian has not demonstrated any capability to make BG3, it effectively might be divinityOS3, except with mind flayers.
the same way, a supposed kotor 3 might be divinityOS4 with robots and light sabers.

>even then Obsidian and Avellone were cucks

How the fuck do you play KoToR 2 with the restoration mod without running into a game breaking bug? Seriously every time i've tried playing it I ran into a bug that irreparably broke my game.

You did good son, i was afraid i would come into the thread without OP being BTFO by truth.

>We have God
If God was real niggers and Jews wouldn't exist.

>twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1140779028166483969
Doki Doki fucked me up for a while, it's still a great vn hopefully Avellone doesn't fall into a depression or kill himself because of it.

ok what bug?

>mfw planting a shit ton of mines before fighting them so they insta die.

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Last time I played was years ago but I remember it was the part on Nar Shaada where some assholes try to steal your ship and you have to fight them inside the ship. Once I killed all the enemies inside the ship the game wouldnt move onto the next stage, i'd be able to leave the ship but reentering it stayed the same with dead bodies all over the place and I couldnt fly the ship or do anything with it. That bug happened multiple times to me.

he probably used that prima strategy guide to fap to the character portraits too

Why do kotorbabbies get so butthurt people don't like their "mature" game with Avellones intelligent and nihilistic OC with a wicked sense of humor?

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Obsiditios are usually people with no personal achievements other than playing Obsidian games.
Liking those games and thinking they are smarter for it is actually their personality so they get over defensive if criticized.