Hollow Knight

The fuck is this shit? You say people paid money for this?

Looks like unpolished version of that castlevania for psp.

>HKfags can't stop seething about Bloodstained
music to my ears

Spritework costs way more than 3d models, especially considering the amount of character customization they wanted you to have in this game.
>but they hit 5 mil
they did not expect to get that many funds, and by the time they received enough money it was already too late to turn back from 2.5 D, else it would've taken 5 more years in the making.

Hollow Knight is entirely HD 2D and it had a fraction of that budget, eat shit shill

The art style of bloodstained is so fucking ugly. These screenshots of the game all make me sick. The lighting is just awful and there doesn't seem to be any decent art direction. It's not even that the models are particularly bad, but nothing goes well together.

I'm seething because I love SotN and wanted Bloodstained to be good.

Surprise surprise, Iga is a hack.

This, plus the fact that they don't have access to the castlevania assets anymore because Konami.
Literally every IGAvania reused assets from older castlevanias, even SoTN reused Rondo of blood assets, which helps cut down on dev time.
Making a SotN tier game from scratch would not only take more money than they probably envisioned they'd receive, but it would also take too goddamn long.

Sotn looked like an SNES game.

Stop using hollow knight for your shitposting

blind and/or underage

I generally think that the SOUL vs SOULLES argument is stupid, but Hollow Knight was literally a project made with passion, while bloodstained is not.
The really ridiculous idea is that games like HK or Cave Story made by one or two people with the budget of a box of buttons can be better than stuff worth billions, like Pokemon

it's also simplistic and uses minimalistic animations.
compare HKs walkcycle, where essentially his legs are the only parts that moves, to Alucards or Somas.

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Hollow Knight-Kun really won't let up on this will he?

He walks like a cock.

Literally everyone ITT is laughing at Mighty No. 9 2.0 AKA Shitstained. It's amazing how a game can be so devoid of good things.
>POST YFW YOU DIDN'T BACK THE NEW WORST GAME OF 2019

And that's a good thing!

>The graphics aren't very good
>WORST GAME EVER

Why are you pretending to be blunderfag 2.0?

So? It fits the art style and looks perfectly fine, unlike Bloodstained that barely HAS an art style.

How can you argue that Bloodstained wasn't a passion project? Iga really wanted to make another real castlevania game but Konami wouldn't let him, so he went out of his way to make it himself via crowdfunding.

Hollow Knight looks good, though. His animations suit the art style well. Obviously SotK also looks good, but the animation needed to be complex like that to suit the art style.

The conclusion is that if you want to make a good looking sprite game cheaply you should find a good looking art style that's also cheap to produce.

>I generally think that the SOUL vs SOULLES argument is stupid
You should have stopped there
It's because he thinks he's shithead holmes and can magically deduce how much effort is put into something just by looking at it

>YFW we are unironically bearing witness to the next TORtanic

Face it dude this game has literally nothing good about it.

They're both amazing games and pretty cheap, no need to choose really.

The DS Castlevanias were a MVC2 tier hodgepodge of old sprites mixed with new sprites mixed with ugly 3D enemies.

Why are you pretending to be blunderfag 2.0?

Unrelted but I recently played SOTN and its such a mess of a game, dont even get me started on inverted castle. I know it created the genre and all but still.

The problem are the other developers though
I mean, I just judge the results

Then judge the results. Don't start talking about how much/how little effort they put in because you don't actually know that.
It pisses me off more than it should that Yea Forums has such a braindead fucking simplistic idea of development and how it works

Yeah see this is where i disagree.
Bloodstained is a bad looking game, But i wouldn't call it Souless, It does not compromise on any of the things that added flavour and, well, SOUL, to the older games, like holding up for a while so Miriam would strike a pose, or rewarding you for killing a boss without getting hit, or having your faerie sit with you when you're resting, or start singing when you play the piano or the emphasis on character customization, or the cool item descriptions where some of them would tell neat stories that enrich the lore.
The SOUL is there, they just lacked the talent to make the game look good, or stand out from the sea of better metroidvanias.

The problem with Bloodstained isn't the graphics. It's how incredibly easy it is.

The AI in Bloodstained is very archaic and shitty.

>Hollow Knight
>Looks like a flash game

>Bloodstained
>Looks like a PSP game

Thank god both are pretty good video games and we don't judge video games based on graphics here on Yea Forums.

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No flash game looks nearly as good as HK though?

they're both worth a pirate. very nice mobile games.

>$57,138 budget
There is no fucking way that was the budget.

you mean
>Hollow Knight
>Looks good and is fun

>Bloodstained
>Looks bad is is not fun

but haha yeah of course I'll buy both!! what are you some kind of poorfag for not buying Bloodstained™ haha

And both games were amazing. The End.

Great thread guys see you in the next one this sperg starts.

>Hollow Knight
>Looks like a flash game
???????????????????????????????

Yea Forums is so desperate for another MN9 it's pathetic, reminds me of the palpable desperation of wanting another tortanic

So don't buy it?

Ahh mass replying. The true sign of an aspie

Haha
Tortanic
am i right guys?
Look at me
I hate new thing
I hate popular thing
I'm not like other people
Haha

Let's be honest then, it is following SOTN to a T

it's falseflagging to pretend that only autists don't like Bloodstained, but yeah just go ahead and use it to deny that the game is a disappointment

>pretending you aren't all the people you mass replied to
you shiggy diggy

>actually wanting to play as a bugman
Hollow Knight is cringe and bluepilled

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>that’s right got don’t question anything, consume more, buy more

aspie=/=autist you autist

youtube.com/watch?v=SzzSW8jVHtk

Irrelevant. Hollow Knight looks much better with less than 5% of the budget. It's embarrassing how bad Bloodstained looks by comparison.

>that's right, reject everything out of hand, be a totaly cool and rebellious dude.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BLOODBROS WE CAN'T LET HOLLOWCHADS WIN THIS ONE

QUICK POST BUGS

So go play it then you massive faggot.

>Bloodstained fanboy seething so bad he's falseflagging "I AM SILLY" tier shit
oh no no no no my game wasn't supposed to look like shit bros

aspergers is a form of autism and you may have it

I doubt he's gonna buy this garbage looking game, my dude. Don't worry.

>Hollow Knight
Boring and shit

>Bloodstained
Fun

Oh please stop pretending you're an actual human being with reasons for your faggotry

>QUICK POST BUGS
Got you covered senpai

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this honestly.

Where do you think you are?
>Please don't talk shit about muh game
Pathetic

>66 posts
>36 posters
>1 infinitely assblasted faggot that bloodstained is a good game.

What's with hollow knight and falseflagger?

How can anyone think this decent metroidvania (and I'm being completely impartial here) somehow even approaches the amount of failure that was mighty number 9

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>Less than 2 posts per poster
Incredible stuff. Why are you so butthurt your game looks like shit?

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The only person that said that was an obvious falseflagger.
It certainly looks as ugly, though.

Pretty easily when everything has to be the next tortanic

people just want to cross Miriam out of this image really bad.

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That's a cute girl on the right.

While this is a cherry-picked image, the game really does look like trash. It's pretty sad.

fug da bug

HK is better because it's truly non-linear and there's no stupid grinding shortcut to overpower any boss in the game, you either git gud or get fucked. IGAvania's are for babbies and shitters. I mean, familiars with near infinite auto-heal, what the fuck is this, why the fuck is it even in the game?!

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Hollow knight is easy as shit outside godmaster

I have no idea, I found the visuals a bit hit and miss between areas but it looks fine. There's just one retard here spamming endlessly about shit that doesn't matter when there's a lot worse going on for this game so you can tell the retard hasn't even played it.
Not sure if its another game's fanboy trying to get more support or just a weird ass grudge.

Here's a legitimate complaint for once.

we told you that Normal was game journalist mode.

>Only one person posting on Yea Forums thinks the game looks ugly and he's the one spamming all these different looking replies, I swear
cope

Hollow Knight is closer to metroid. IGAvanias are RPGs.

Except Hollow Knight has fuck all itemization and customization, only one weapon, like 2 spells and the character itself is just a marshmallow with a cape lol.

At least we got Curse of the Moon too. That game actually looks pretty decent tbqh

Going 2.5D was the biggest mistake Iga made. What the fuck was he thinking?

I love Hollow Knight AND Bloodstained!

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>cope seethe shill btfo oh no no no tortanic
I dont know how anybody falls for your random shitposting desu, it's blatant as fuck.

Hell yeah I think i've got more time put into that so far

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And? Not every game needs that.

Why does there have to be a stupid rivalry anyway? I feel like this is one fucking autist who just doesn't like bloodstained for whatever autistic reason and wants to compare it to a game he liked to make people angry. Why not enjoy the one you like and not make seething and embarassing threads on Yea Forums designed to make it hard to talk about the other game? Are you a loser?

Me too! Metroidvanias are fun!

Based schizophrenic retard caught in a fit of bitter irony

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I don't like Hollow Knight but I'm making a simple matter of fact statement that it looks much better than Bloodstained with less than 10% of the budget. Whoever gave the go-ahead to the horrible eye-bleeding mess that is Bloodstained is out of their mind.

haha yeah i love that hollow knight unique and interesting art style, love the retro flash look

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Bloodstained vs. Hollow Knight is a VERY good and easy bait. For now.

t. the OP of another BS vs HK thread

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Both are awful but hollow knight doesnt make me play with a dumb anime waifu

shit bro i got me

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>Crying about retro looks while pretending you're a Castlevania fan
Not a good look

defintely looked better than SNES. I think it just came at a time where 2D games weren't prominent anymore, it was all new 3D stuff.

>enters blatant shitposting thread
>gives (you)s left and right
>wonders why he's mad and everyone's making of him
retards.
Here's the circlejerk thread;

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More like one falseflagger who is part of the very dedicated HK hate group that has been operating since the very first HK thread.

>bunny suit
h-how

The Hollow Knight comparison just makes sense. They're both Metroid-likes and HK looks much better with less than a hundredth of the budget.

nude mods SOON!

>MUH GRAFICS

lmao who cares you underage CASTLEVANIA IS BACK BABY

it's a transformation shard drop

>It's not even that the models are particularly bad, but nothing goes well together.

I suspect that these are pre-made bought assets for a lot of the environments.

Hot

I like both games, OP is a mentally ill shitposter as well established in other threads.

ACTIVATE YOUR WINDOWS, SNAIL

This is a falseflagger trying to delegitimize the criticisms about this game, by making the people criticizing the game look like they are irrational.

Yea Forums has become increasingly very weird in the past few years with this hyper-defensive attitude people are taking towards certain games. Like if you criticize this game or others, like BotW, you get an onslaught of aggressive weirdos accusing you of wanting TORTANIC 2.0, and using these gay Saul Alinsky tactics to suppress any discussion that doesn't involve praising the game as a 10/10.

>CASTLEVANIA IS BACK BABY
Nah, I remember Castlevania looking great.

The whole "Tortanic" shit is such a dumb meme anyways. Yea Forums was shitting on anticipated and newly released games well before TOR, both deserving and undeserving. There were daily MGS 4 hate threads that were completely warranted.

You can tell when someone hasn't played a game when they're hung up on MUH GRAFICS when theres a load of other problems with the game they wont address.

Remove the aesthetics and visual flare and suddenly IGAvanias have nothing going for them anymore.
The reason SotN managed to become such a cold hard staple of videogames despite lacking in level design, challenge, and depth in combat, is because it was, and still is, a genuinely beautiful game.
Or are you going to tell me you play these games for the deep and thought provoking gameplay?

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hollow knight is overrated shit, game is a boring slog until 3 hours in, game is absolute trash.. hey lets hae knockback when you attack something and then put flying enemies over platforms you have to traverse so when you attack them you jut backwards and then miss your jump and have to go back 5 screens and then do it again wow amazing! b-b -but there is an add on for your weapon that.. yes there are addons that unbreak mechanics rather than add mechanics the game is overrated shit

Both are different enough to be fun in their own way and only poor people who will just pirate both game complains.

Castlevania was actually good tho

Lucky for you, they still exist.

>after all this time and constant shitty indie games no game of this genre has come close to being as good as Super Metroid or SOTN.

Just stop chasing the dragon. Like Star Wars, there will never be another as good as the originals.

Imagine being so pathetic you'd spend your free time "criticizing" a well beloved game instead of doing literally anything else.

>spritework costs way mo-
youtube.com/watch?v=GO3g1210bnc

I thought instigating flame wars was against the rules.

Why would I play a game that looks this shitty? I never pretended I am deeply knowledgable of the game. I played the backer demo and finished it but that's about it. Gameplay seems decent at first glance, but again, the game looks horrible. It's the second ugliest metroid-like I've played in the past half decade.

All these. The depths Shitstained shills will sink to to defend their flop of a game is unprecedented. Old Yea Forums would have considered it TORtanic tier.

Shitstained getting absolutely fucking roasted. Is Shitstained the most BTFO game of the decade?

This game is 20 years too late.

This. Literally nothing about Shitstained is good and there is ample proof of that.

Your falseflagging is obvious, dude. Why are you so defensive over Bloodstained looking like shit?

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>beat first boss and meet with the nun
>go to safehouse and craft some items
>screen goes completely white
>hud visible, sound works and I'm clearly moving Miriam around
What the fuck is going on?

I'm glad people at least move from one game to another to shit on.
>dawn of sorrow has shit art who cares about gameplay metroidvania is shit anyway
>hollow knight looks like shit and it plays bad!
>bloodstained, more like shitstained AM I RITE?!

Haha, this. Bloodstained shills are the mnost embarassing people on chans in recent memory. Look at how hard their coping ITT

You got jewed into playing Shitstained, that’s what

What I find nuts is that none of them look as good as those two. None. Even Super Metroid, a literal Super Nintendo game. Never seen sprite work as detailed, or animations as smooth.

Agreed but don't use that shit filter next time, game looks perfect as is.

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This. So-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o much fucking this. HK shills need to shut the fuck up because their game is overrated shit and one of the worst MV games ever made.

>Yea Forums is one person
Cope harder shill

Nice. Now how about an answer from someone that isn't a shitposting cunt?

Link to Team Ladybug's official videos:

youtube.com/watch?v=l9mX5PaexsQ&t=2s

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH! BURN!

Shitstained niggas wildin' ITT

I've tried twice to play it and have dropped it within 2 hours because of it being boring as fuck. Maybe I should try again.

>So-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
kill yourself.

I didn't back the game and liked it quite a lot. Surprised how well Iga captured the soul of his older castlevania games.
Monsters could have had a bit more work on, but it plays pretty much as Dawn of Sorrow and there is a lot of customization through Shards, food and mastering augments.

I didn't know people = everyone on the board.
If it hits home with you, don't be mad at me.

Keep deluding yourself into thinking Shitstained isn't the next MN9

Hi Inafune 2.0 AKA Iga

I LOVE MY WIFE DEEDLIT!

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It will still come out in time to BTFO a decade's worth of indieshit games.
youtube.com/watch?v=bwf9yXxf73c

I said someone who is not a shitposting cunt.

>hey guys i know how much you love 2d castlevanias, well if you donate to my kickstarter i promise we can make another one!
>nevermind its generic 2.5D lol

who the fuck asked for this? if sprites are too expensive then don't go promising them, everyone, literally everyone, wanted another 2d metroidvania

>2 developers
>$15 price tag
>3 developing companies
>$35 price tag
that $15 is divided between two people
the $35 is divided between hundreds of people
guess which one is greedier

hk should have been like 2 bux

To be fair, he did say from the get go that it was gonna be 2.5D, but the concept art he promised the game would kinda look like looks miles better.

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pretty sure that was a drawing buddy

Looks cool. Might look into it.
But the lodoss war one looks extremely early and the art direction isn't my cup of tea.

Lodoss war hijack. Deedlit is my waifu.
youtube.com/watch?v=9aUfGClzhdI

Did any of those enemies make it into the final game? What about that sword-wolf attack?

Inti-Creates designs just seem like trash.

4 people worked on hollow knight.

looks like the guilty gear style, yeah i remember this art, it looked good

game just looks like ass man, not a fan

Team Ladybug makes udner-rated games. Good 2D sprite work, good animations, good msuic. The backgrounds are a bit plain, but I see they're improving with each game.

Imagine if they had an actual budget and hired a few more people for sprite work?

If you like these type of games, BUY THEIR GAMES. Good investment. Especially on sale. Touhou Luna Nights is a bit short, so that's something you get on sale. Pharoah Rebirth I still think is their best, and plays like SotN meets La-Mulana's explorer story with Shantae style hair attacks.

Everything they make just has such care and you can tell they're real fans and "get it".

What in the absolute hell is Touhou even about? Little girls in what, 19th century skirts who have magical powers? Is it ste in the present or past? Are they super heroes or normal girls?

It shows.

They are youkais.

They're just Touhous man. What else do you need to know?

It's an isolated fairy land, most of them are supernatural creatures but there are humans with magical powers as well.

What the fuck are Youkais and Touhous?! That doesn't explain anything.

Youkais are magical beings in japanese folklore. In their cases, they're all pretty much what we'd call witches.

Quick, post deeds.

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Pretty good, but I always liked the OP of the first series more.
it's more romantic.
vimeo.com/213468818

I think this is her, but it could laso be that Gate elf.

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They are two different part of a tale, so they fit each their respective story.

>he didn't grow up around yokai and shrine maidens when he was young
Never gonna make it.

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there is always rivalry in any topic on Yea Forums. It's annoying and ruins every thread every time.

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It's not even rivalry. It's just pure shitposting. But despite there being a dedicated board for it, they come here. Because they are out-shitposted on said board.

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that is her, used to follow that artist on pixiv.
here's some nobuteru stuff you don't see very often

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...

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Oops. Too quick.

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57k does not pay 2 developers for 3 years.
1mil is more realistic.

I love her.

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Shh, don't state the obvious.

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hope you fellas like elf breasticles.

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this game always looked fucking awful and hacky and i'd be surprised if anyone posting it here is doing it unironically or if it's just shills

source of this anime? why does it look so enchanting/mysterious?

Record of Lodoss War.
I think most people on Yea Forums are too young to remember this fine piece of art.

user, there are 16,000 people playing the game on steam right now at any given time. Are they all shills?!

nhentai.net/g/16407/

see: pic
look up Nobuteru Yuki if you want more of this stuff.
I'd recommend you also watch Escaflowne and Gunm

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>467279761
I hope we'll get news now that they're finished with their touhou game

>thread hijacked by boomer waifufags
kys weebs

Hollow Knight was amazing and still is. Fantastic world, fantastic game play and art style. I'd have gladly paid $40 for it if it had launched for that. Games like that and the devs who make them are the kind of stuff we need.

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thx it looks very comfy. Will check it out

They also kept giving us free stuff.

whoever doesn't remember it is too young to be on that board

have fun

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If you only knew how young people are here. Despite that, the anime was released 21 years ago.

Based waifufags, only their pure autism can save us from this cancer

Rent-free.
HK Shills are trying pretty hard, I see. How much are you getting paid?

too bad people pirate their games which will result in them eventually closing down

Also, the novels started one year prior to me being born.
I saw the anime when I was like 12.

Considering their sales number I think they did fine.

Why did the areas in HK look the same? Oh yeah, they couldn't animate mor than that.

Please read the text on the bottom.

That's why I said "the game would kinda look like"
Obviously, their intention was to reach something approaching that look. Not the garbage we got.

This just looks like a shitty anime

Welcome to the real world. Limitations and complications can and will happen. A 2D HD sprite style would have been ideal but that’s more expensive.

it's still better than the 3d variant

Imagine thinking graphics are the only thing that matters in a game.

Please stop

Team Cherry has a frankly ridiculous amount of soul. It's not really fair to compare them to anyone else.

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hollow knight sucks though.

which is why people gave them a 5 mil budget

Damn if only they had five million dollars to make a game with

It's literally one falseflagger doing it, wish he would fuck off.

not as much as your opinion

>You're not allowed to like both Bloodstained and Hollow Knight.
You still owe Iga an apology, faggot.

APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW!

>A 2D HD sprite style would have been ideal but that’s more expensive
Again, Hollow Knight had a 100th of the budget and looks much better.

Iga needs to apologize for how ugly is game looks. Utter waste of funds. Five million dollars lost to this. Seppuku is the only appropriate response.

Lol, peak burger post.

I love classicvanias, curse of the moon is super bland.

APOLOGIZE

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from what I understand
>youkai are evil Japanese spirits
>the main character is reimu, who is a shrine maiden who is supposed to exterminate them, and she also really wants money
>they all live in Gensokyo

Maybe due to seeing the previous demo's graphics, I actually think the game looks graphically decent. I like the art style, but again, maybe from seeing the eye bleach before I'm being more forgiving.

I'm halfway through the game. Curse of the Night is better, but this is not a bad game, it's an alright game.

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I have much more fun in this than SOTN.

true

this ugly ass game doesn't live up to the kickstarter hype and it really shows

More like shitstained.

APOLOGIZE!

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-re
Spritework costs WAY more.

Then why does Hollow Knight look much better than Shitstained? With a 100th of the budget?

It's just a lack of talent. The Hollow Knight guy is tremendously talented, what a fucking legend. It's hard to compare with that, but Bloodstained really is a trash heap from what I've seen.

Because the animation and art is super minimalist.
It could also very well have less unique content, but I don't know the numbers

That's because Hollow Knight was made by three cool australians who used a good and cheap arts style, had fun with it, and had the voices basically just be some of their neighbors making funny sounds or in Hornet's case, random numbers as well

No 2D game will ever surpass SOTN in terms of scale and breadth of mechanics and world design. The 2D era is long gone and there either aren't enough animators available anymore to push 2D to its limits with modern hardware or there isn't enough incentive from hardware manufacturers to get game designers to experiment with 2D to the level that is needed to surpass what SOTN offered. In order to make a true sequel to SOTN that surpasses it, the game has to be fully 3D now, not even 2.5D suffices. The Souls games tried this and got close, but failed for various reasons, one major one being that they emulate dungeon crawlers more than Castlevania games and so there is barely any character design or plot to speak of, let alone any platforming and environmental puzzles.

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>Hornet's case, random numbers as well
Hornet is voiced by a japanese girl working in the same office they rented.

>terms of scale and breadth of mechanics
But several games has. SotN isn't as big as people seems to remember it to be. It's good for its time and still holds up, but at the same time a lot of game has done its stuff better.

>SotN isn't as big as people seems to remember it to be.

It is. Sorry.

The handheld games can be nearly as big in terms of raw map size, but they don't have as many mechanics, or options, or secrets, or enemies, or anything. They seem and feel a little stripped down and miniaturized.

>But several games has.
Name them, brother.

Despite popular beliefs each and every castlevania released after SotN with the same style.

>but they don't have as many mechanics, or options, or secrets, or enemies, or anything. They seem and feel a little stripped down and miniaturized.
In that case, bloodstained is perfect for you.

nah

yah

>Despite popular beliefs each and every castlevania released after SotN with the same style.
I have played them all and none of them appeared to have surpassed SOTN in terms of content, and especially not in production values.

(you)

So have I and I disagree with you. Just because SotN had trippy 3D doesn't mean it had much more production value than for example Dawn of Sorrow with its horrible anime portraits.

See the thing is, the sheer number of weapons and spells, and attacks, and animations that you can do in SotN is something I've never seen replicated. There's so many secret weapons that drop in the inverted Castle that have all sorts of unique moves. It's nuts.

Your standard "metroidvania" today either has one weapon you use the entire game, some kind of pistol, or very limited weapon types. They focus more on exploration rather than complexity in terms of weapons or setups.

This is why I advocate for Metroid-like and Metroidvania being separate entities because not every game that is a lot like Metroid is also like Castlevania.

Trying to even compare these two games is retarded.

2 guys working on an indie game together for under 60k to pay their bills while they don't shower and eat fucking beans from a can is different than a game that has a full VA cast for 2 different languages, and a team of like 25 people that are getting paid a salary to do the work.

Bloodstained isn't an indie game in the traditional sense, so trying to compare them like they are both the same thing is idiotic.

based blindposter

Give Team Ladybug the budget and I think they can do it.

Yeah, Cave Story and Axiom Verg is clearly a Metroid-y. The ones based around a gun/missile system are pure Metroid.

Castlevania style Metroidvanias are rare. Upbeat music, bop around a spooky castle, find many weapons and items to equip. Touhouvania sorta has it.

Even if the numbers for later games are bigger (more number of weapons, more number of enemy types, etc.) the scale of these games do not feel bigger, because increasing these numbers by handfuls isn't enough at all. At the end of the day, these games were made with roughly equal or smaller budgets and teams as that of SOTN. Demon's Souls legitimately feels closer to what I'm talking about than any of the SOTN clones because it was in full 3D, felt good to play (unlike the 3D Castlevania games) and its content felt pretty immense at the time.

>tfw I love both games
>some autist now keeps mentioning HK to troll both fanbases

It wasn't supposed to be this way you fucks.

>tfw when a game by le 3.3 million dollar meme man looks better
The absolute STATE of Iga

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Metroid-like is what all games people call "Metroidvania" should be like.

The only games that are actual Metroidvanias are the Metroid-like Castlevanias. That's what the name means.

What do we call games that specifically try to copy Castlevania instead?

Vania-likes? Iga-likes?

Have they ever done a Kickstarter? If not, they should. Design-wise, they lean way too far into anime for my taste, but that's alright, I'd still play something well made and impressive.

When you mean copy Castlevania, are you talking about the originals? Or do you mean copying Symphony of the Night?

If the later, then just call them Castlevania-likes, I suppose.

If the later, Metroid-likes still fits. You don't start calling all modern rogue-likes "Binding of Isaac likes", they're still rogue-likes.

Nope. They work for for Nico Nico gamer's magazine which gives out freeware games. They've just recently upgraded to payware games. They are Japanese, so they are either ignorant or wary of donation sites.

I love Hollow Knight but it's more akin to Metroid

Bloodstained IS a Castlevania. They're pretty different even if comparable.

I love SOTN but you're pants on head retarded if you're so blinded by nostalgia that you can't recognize anything being better than what your 13 year old self thought of as the greatest thing of all time.

>handheld games
Not better by default.
>low budget indie games
Not better by default.

>Silksong's new "charm" system is trying to copy the Tactical Souls system of the Sorrow games

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Exactly. Metroid-likes have a tight items and abilities roster that are used to gate progression in a 2D "open world" map. Castlevania usually has some esoteric magic/item hybrid system, hundreds of items, item combination/upgrading etc.

>Upbeat music, bop around a spooky castle
Those are thematic elements that have to do with art style rather than game genre.

What separates SOTN from Metroid (or from Castlevania II, which was influenced by Konami's The Maze of Galious, which was inspired by Metroid) is that SOTN has stat leveling and equipment management. Any of the so-called Metroidvania games that don't have those things is lacking the -vania part of that label, and is simply a Metroid-like.

Will they make a sequel to Bloodstained once all the DLCs are done? It probably has the best customization out of all the igavanias by virtue of the solid foundation all the previous games provided.

I genuinely believe a Bloodstained sequel polishing everything else would make it GOAT.

I think it's only a matter of time before we get a Souls + Castlevania game. A hard game, not necessary grim, with many weapons and magic with tons of secrets.

I think Dark Souls is composed of mainly two aspects, the boss fights and exploration. From decided to focus on Boss fights in DS3, Bloodborne and Sekiro, leaving the exploration, the adventure aspect as is, which is a shame. Someone sometime will try to do the Souls formula but more focused on exploration and that will probably be more Castlevania.

>In my opinion.
ftfy

hollow knight played like shit and looked like trash fuck off speedonvhs

>Hollow Knight
>$57,138 budget
The budget was closer to half a million dollars.
They took out massive loans from the Indie Fund, second mortgages on homes, business loans from banks and borrowed money from parents whilst living at home.
>2 developers
4 developers.
>Released 3 years after Kickstarter
In development for years before the Kickstarter, and the world building/art/design was in development for almost a decade before the Kickstarter.

Stop romanticizing shit you have no idea about, it undermines just how much they sacrificed, risked and dedicated to making Hollow Knight happen.

did the night of revenge girl have her hymen broken by sex before this image was taken

>Hollow Knight
Shit flash game.

>Bloodstained
Real game.

A bit of 3rd person platformer would make a game like that great. Sekiro controls, with a dedicated jump button.

>hollow knight
>soulless hipster calarts trash
>bloodstained
>soulful game with actual effort put into it
I fucking hate the retarded hollow knight shills on Yea Forums, play a real fucking game

That's what you get when you go 3D. Hollow Knight's art director is a fucking savant.

Nice LARPing.

Bloodstained is exactly what I wanted.

You don't even know what the calarts style is.

those fucking pet heads in this game are so retarded.
Jump the shark moment.

>Sekiro controls, with a dedicated jump button.
You know, I actually haven't played Sekiro yet but I definitely want to. From the looks of it, it actually does look like a step towards a Castlevania/Souls style game. I wish Konami wasn't a pile of crap now and that they could still compete with AAA releases.

Nope, just facts.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_Fund#Funded_games

I sort of get why they went for 3D now. There's just so much fucking different weapons and shards.

And where does it say they got half a million?

More like Cumshamed.

Shitstained fags BTFO

They didn't, they got around 250k from Indie Fund, the rest came from private loans.

>they got around 250k from Indie Fund
Source?

Old Yea Forums wouldn't know what TORtanic was because it didnt exist yet you cocksucker

I swear, you fags alternate between inflating graphics to being the most important thing to the least important thing for the sole purpose of criticism huh? Bloodstained is significantly more engaging and interesting as a game compared to Hollow Knight, IMO. Both are enjoyable, but allowing graphics to sway you this fucking much is just pathetic

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Games should look nice and shouldn't be hideous. They need good art style and it helps to invoke an atmosphere, get you lost in the game, and gives the game an identity.

This doens't just mean raw polies, that means thoughtful use of art and assets. 2D sprite pixels can be pretty. Low polygon games can be pretty. Etc.

Bloodstained is an ugly hideous game.

Heh.

The game might be good but it looks like garbage. It's not just "graphics". Graphics implies number of plolygons or whatever. Order of Ecclesia has way less polygons but it looks much better than this. It's visual style.

No it didn’t. SNES games are tile-based and SotN was not. There are way more objects on the screen with a much higher color palette, more animations and more frames of animations, effects the SNES wasn’t capable of (like the blur trail effect around a lifeup when it spawns after beating a boss), multiple smoothly scaling sprites at once (only one game on SNES comes close which is Yoshi’s Island and it needed SuperFX2 to get there), transparencies (Saturn version not included), and texture mapped polygons despite being PS1-esque fug. The sprites are mostly (if not all) animated pixel art alpha textures on single-sided polygons. They re-use sprites from Rondo but with higher color palettes and more frames of animation.

I was around at the time. It was clearly a generation ahead of the SNES. It actually has a lower resolution than most SNES games. It’s 256x192 which is exactly the same as the DS resolution (SNES is 256x224). The Saturn version stretched it out to be 320x240 with horrible scaling artifacts

> Implying going 3d was the problem
Ori and DKC:TF say hello. It's possible to make a good 2d platformer with 3d graphics

>People in here just taking it at face value that "it's bad"
The graphics are good.

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Still, SotN could have been converted to the SNES. The music would be fine in SNES midi. There are some good chip tunes that do just that on YouTube. They could have made a tile-based version of it with the SuperFX2 chip, less sprites on screen, less animation frames, pallete-swapped bosses to replace later unique bosses. SNES “effects”. It would have worked and it could have fit on a 32 meg cart like SFA2 did

I think all you souls morons need to go start your own board. Every game should not be souls. It’s all so tiring

>$35 price tag
yo what the fuck it's $70 in Australia.

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They're both great games and worth the money

lmao australia

HK looks low budget once you really pay attention to whats on screen. there's tons of repeated assets and blobs of black covering areas where assets would be in other games

bloodstained still looks bad, but that might be mostly do to terrible shaders

>"Throwing money at things solves problems!" the thread

A most nuanced position! Maybe it's the fact that getting art direction in 3D right is objectively harder than 2D. And indeed , the decision to go 3D is bad. I think most would agree on this.

>costs more
>raised $5,000,000

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Bloodstained looks a lot better in motion. Still looks very uncanny at times, but at least they tried to do something unique.
Aside from that, it's a really good Castlevania with lots of character customization.

guys, how do I dodge that water stream attack that the first boss has on hard mode?

The issue is that they should have never done 2.5D it makes zero sense to go this route. No one is swooning over 2.5D graphics ever, they look like shit 87% of the time. The hyper realistic ones are Ok i guess, but the rest are bad.

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Block it

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>break long nose on statue
>manju drops out

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>3 developing companies

Thats almost $12 per developer

why do white people not understand having two cakes is a good thing?

why does the one cake have to beat the other cake? hollowknight fans are fucking cringey minges

They're both good games tbphwy

Almost got 100%, anyone know what I'm missing?

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A life

>It's shameful how bad Bloodstained looks
Well I think you look shameful too user.

This almost seems like a backer enemy, but the fact that she plays a song and has an unique model tells me she is important. Who is she?

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Reminder that from a pure story standpoint the only people who'll make sense to be playable are
>Gebel
Swap him and Miriam
>Alfred
Doesn't fail

Anyone else will need a completely different story that's too radically different.

But muh
>Dominique
Nope. You know why she won't work.

has anyone found out if you get cool stuff from naming your character something specifically? I remember that was a thing in SOTN.

i defeated Solid Snake at the chinese level, so where the fuck do i take the sword?

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Read the description Hoss.

How the fuck do I get real fast money?

thanks

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Is Bloodstained too buggy to pirate right now?

Go to inventory and read the sword's description. Sound familiar?

Yes. It's mostly backer stuff though.

Nah. I've not found any gamebreaking stuff.

Please respond.

Stack luck, break candles and farm souls.

Why aren't you playing on Nightmare difficulty, user?
Just add NIGHTMARE as your name
You ain't chicken are you?

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Japanese games have been superior to western games since the literal inception of video games

What is some good luck-based stuff? I got AUG Luck, the gamblers ring, and the cutpurse ring

Why isn't she the 3rd playable?

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I'm too busy doing stupid shit like leveling summon chair.

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So how long til thots start getting Miriam style tattoos?

Valkyrie armor and valkyrie tiara boost luck.

You seem set, but have you created the good items that boost your luck? They help too.

Shitstained has literally nothing good about it and this thread is proof of that.

Sell the game because you were literally scammed into playing Mighty No. 9 2.0

>Japanese games have been superior to western games since the literal inception of video games

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West does better FPS, sure. And they used to make better RPGs, but that stopped being the case 20 years ago.

>Hornet is voiced by a nip
>Adelaide is pretty much in the same time zone as Japan
>inspired by predominantly japanese games

Yeah nah mate. Hollow Knight is honorary eastern.

west also does things like grand strategy and 4X a lot more, and I love those genres.

What amazing JRPGs are being made now?

>a character is voiced by a japanese so it's a japanese game
shut the fuck up Haruto

I kinda hate Hollow Knight's deviantart looking style and would take more games looking like Bloodstained anyday.

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Besides everyone's darling FF7?

hollow knight shilling and bloodstained circlejerking aside, why the fuck does he walk like that?

he's fucking pissed

Hollow Knight looks like a flash game, bosses are underwhelming and the combat is simplistic, i love both games but some of you niggas talk like HK is the second coming of jesus.

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the character isn't a bug, though. you even spend the entire game killing bugmen. how is this not a based and redpilled game?

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Idk OP I feel like its worth it so far. Sure it looks a little jank but it gives you tons of combat options and plays really well. Hell some of the games highly praised here have many faults. Dragons Dogma for example. Thats not to say theyre bad games, just flawed in areas outside of core gameplay. HK was really fucking good though and more than worth the money. Cant say which is better until I complete Bloodstained.

i enjoyed this game more than hollow knight, hollow knight feels so bland and uninspired i got it on steam on sale, played it for 2hours then refunded then i pirated it and beat it and it was still shitty backed bloodstained and am very happy that you guys dont find joy in it because then i can still be contrarian and like the game

Autism is a spectrum of mental illnesses, which includes aspergers. You're either profoundly stupid or actually autistic

>Hollow Knight looks like a flash game
what flash game looks like Hollow Knight?

>zoomer gives his shit takes on games, more at 9

FF7 is one of the most overrated games around, people were impressed by it with its story tailor made to impress teenagers. Also I don't see how that would answer my question since it's a remake that's not even out and it's going to be milked to hell and back by selling 3 parts of a remake, a terrible example.

What is the best theme and why is it OD's theme?
files.catbox.moe/5ppgye.mp3

>deviant art
It's just a simple art style. Doesn't look anything like it's from deviant art.

>people were impressed by it with its story tailor made to impress teenagers.

The twist of the story is actually really clever, and is actually anti-power fantasy. Cloud failed, was a loser, didn't get to impress Tifa-chan, and wasn't the cool hero he thought he was. Following a more standard story type to impress teenagers, the twist would actually be he's the Chosen One or something like that.

It's certainly one of the better tracks in the game.

>Hollow Knight looks like a flash game
faggots like you are crazy, HK looks really good, especially the portions of it with rain

Where can I get Valkyrie tiara?

Gambler boss. Look for a hidden chest below his boss room him on the left corner.

> mfw spent $80 today on a game i barely know nothing about just because it had a cute anime girl on it

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OH. I haven't killed him yet. Hes been being a pain in my ass.

3D is shit.
Cancer, just like voice acting.

freem.ne.jp/
All the anime girls you would ever need.
For free.

>being australian

2.5D is fine, it all boils down to how you do it.

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did her hymen explode

Reminder Bloodstained could have looked like this.

youtube.com/watch?v=srtnPqP9fn8

hello whats hymen im an adult

Where do I get the armor that lets me walk on spikes?
I checked the entire twin towers and I can't see any chests anywhere

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Reminder Bloodstained could have looked like this.

youtube.com/watch?v=HOq0fLaLeqY

based

LOOK AT THIS FAIRY
LOOK AT IT!

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It looks very deviantart emo, with a mix of newgrounds shit, it's hideous.

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spbp

Odd. Her breasts are supposed to be bigger.

i love this fucking game

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I completely disagree. If it was Emo' - or as you're probabliny thinking it looks like Tim Burtion stuff like Don't Starve - it would look more loose and sketchy with jagged edges and very rough. It look clean and vector.
It's just a simplified art style.

Some people say that this fairy would be great as a fleshlight.
That's a little distasteful, but understandable.

Hollow Knight has so much more effort, polish and impressive artstyle.
So why do I enjoy Bloodstained significantly more, lads? I feel like I got sucked in since I was an SOTN fanboy as a kid.

Alright well I stacked as much as I can right now. Now what? where do I go to get the money?

She's like 3 feet tall. she can take it.

Iga wanted to do a Julius game before. Now that he has Bloodstained what will be the "Julius" game we get out of it? Zangetsu prequel? Gebelone game? Young Alfred?

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Do you get anything for 100% map completion in Bloodstained?

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Oh it's definitely deviantart tier emo, just look at it, they're just filtering that emo through newgrounds flash which is very ugly combo.

If you like that style combination good on you, but I can't stand it. Not a good look.

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Christ I liked hollow knight threads before this shit released. Now I'm gonna have to filter hollow knight along with bloodstained since all discussions of it for the next few months are gonna be bombarded with ass blasted shitstained copers and there's no reason to give any of them or their game attention.

>get to bloodless
>doing fine, but she has a fuckton of health
>she's almost dead
>absorbs all the blood she dropped and is back to full
I would say "that's kinda fair because I can heal too" except it's not because I don't damage her by existing near her like she does to me.

The plan was this game would come out and everyone would dunk on it. This was supposed to be another MN9 style disaster but as it turns out the game was good. Now Yea Forums's shitposters don't know what to think and their struggling to cope with the situation so this false Hollow Knight vs Bloodstained rivalry was born.

Koji Igarashi personally shows up to your house to give you a handjob while Mana does a strip-tease.

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They're not even similar enough to compare. Yea Forums needs to accept that games can be good.

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Bloodstained > Hollow Knight
t. high test

maybe when it's like $5

>both kickstarted
>both bad games
Wow, real big think

No he fucking won't. Much better Indies have come since HK and this fag keeps making these threads how it's a godsend game. Platforming was meh. Only palace was fun for me. But then again i also love super meat Boy an actual good platformer so HK never stood a chance. Hk is a good game and has many amazing 10/10 things about it. I just hate how this fag can't fucking let it go and keeps demanding everyone thinks it's GOAT

>They're not even similar enough to compare.
Yeah I often find Fiji apples are incomparable to Red Delicious as well. Same goes with Navel and Valencia Oranges. They're just too different!

Is Bloodstained actually bad or is Yea Forums having a tantrum again

Yea Forums has been nothing but positive on this game, where the fuck are you getting the impression it's bad?

Here

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YL wasn't bad either. I can't say it lived up to what Banjo was but it was a good re-entry into that type of "unlock abilities as you go" platformer. It was the type of game that can only get better the more than do. Mighty number 9 was an irredeemable trash fire.

it's alright, sure as fuck not worth $40 though

>thinking 5mil is a lot of money

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This, how can a game that doesn't have good graphics charge more than $10? It doesn't even have good graphics? What were they thinking.

People calling the game ugly have a point. I think the game doesn't go wild enough with it's aesthetics, so it's kind of bland most of the time. If the models are bad, you should try to hide it with some sort of trick. They should've taken a page out of Suda's dev book, his company is great at making bad looking games look cool. One could say the entire PS2 generation had this challenge of making bad graphics look good.

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my waifu

>you
>forever seething
sounds like it was worth it

Games need to have good graphics if they want to charge money. Good graphics are essential for good gameplay.

>Super Daryl Deluxe
$7,861 budget
Released 4 years after Kickstarter
2 developers
$15 price tag
Great voice-acting
Co-Op Mode
And the most kick-ass vidya theme song ever:
youtube.com/watch?v=IksYXujBEHw

Checkmate.

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