Is Underlords going to be dead on arrival just like Artifact was? Can Valve even make a good game anymore?

PBE isn’t a paywall, most people who give a shit are already in. You just need an account with enough Honor to automatically get it, but you can also just ask, they let in random retards all the time.
And unlike Underlords where it’s just a week of paywall for no purpose (except a Drow nerf) TFT gets huge updates every fucking day while it’s on PBE, that’s the point of PBE.

It'll be okay when the game comes out from the pay wall. Glorious DotaChads will flock to the game and prop it up into place where it belongs.

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Please Valve. No more. Just stop.

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Making a good game is not Valve's problem, Underlords is easily better than TFT but that's just not enough these days. Marketing is the real problem Valve has

It won't be DOA like Artifact but it was never going to touch TFT. The best bet Valve made was being on mobile likely months before TFT.
TFT hasn't had any big updates. So far Valve redid the UI, did 2 balance patches, added ranked, and changed the AI of the units.

Its not marketing, its just that Dota isn't as appealing as League in characters and art. People would rather have a ton of anime girls over not having anime girls, or generic human in big ass bulky armor #6

>i-it’s just marketing
Everyone knew about Artifact and it still flopped. Underlords is literally advertised on the original Auto Chess.
And if you think Underlords looks good you really drank Gabe’s coolaid, even the original Auto Chess looks better. Underlords is butt ugly mobile garbage.

to be fair, tft has only been out for 2 days

League has always been bigger on Twitch compared to Dota.
The streamers who played Underlords moved on to TFT after that was released, and since League already has a bigger fanbase, it subsequently has a higher view count compared to Underlords, which due to streamers moving on lost a ton of viewers.
I just hope this fad dies. Autochess are just RNG-fests with no skill involved. No wonder Twitch kiddies and Leaguefags latched on to it.

i cant fucking stand this npc genre, its worse and more boring than battle royales
gaming has to be in its lowest point right now

it looks bad because dota models are 8 years old with some lousy hd texture pack
valve is so lazy I don't get how people promote their "games"

>TFT hasn't had any big updates
Look at this retard. It’s been out 2 days but there have already been big bug fixes and balance changes. It doesn’t need UI changes because unlike Underlords it already looks and sounds good.

Not really a to be fair, the guy said TFT was getting huge updates, and it hasn't. TFT is getting an update tomorrow with Draven nerfs and maybe some UI updates like DPS meter and better clarification on unit upgrades in the shop like Underlords

I think later on, a big problem of TFT will be being tied into the League client. Patching TFT will require the League players too all have to wait for a side mode to be updated, so more than likely if something is a balance issue its got to wait 2 weeks.

This genre makes even less sense to me than BRs
Like what the fuck

balance is much worse too

>Marketing is the real problem Valve has
lol are you fucking retarded

you need 100+ iq to post here

Because Dota 2 looks like dogshit as well, they have to maintain their trashy look at all cost.

The only update it has was a hotfix, so there was no patch. Except right after that hotfix people were doing the exact same bug so they needed to hotfix again.

underlord is not out for free yet , 1 week and after the gods update it will be topping this meme genre 100%

TFT is not even on mobile lmfao glhf gaining zoomers with that shit adobe air 2002 flashgame client graphics system

This is a race to the bottom in flavor of the month memegames that are engineered solely for Twitch streams

It's on mobile, it will blow everything else the fuck out because mobile players are literal drooling retards. The one decision Valve got right for them.

I’ve actually played all 3 for at least 20 games.
>Visually
TFT > AC >>>>> DU
>Audio
AC > TFT >>>>> DU
>Balance
AC >>> TFT = DU
>Mechanics (mainly DU letting you pick your items from a list of 4 and swap freely)
DU > TFT > AC

I agree with this.

The only thing DU has going for it is it's item system
very cool

>this is now a genre that exists
Clown world.

anyone saying TFT is visually better is fucking blind and should be put in a retard helmet and be given free prescription for glasses and a 4k computer monitor bcause your eyes dont fucking work m8

I really wish the League one learned that random items are fucking retarded. When one guy gets 6 and you get 1 you just want to stop playing.

I think glance value for TFT is awful unless you've played League. So many characters kinda blend to look the same from the camera view.

It objectively looks the best, that’s why it’s doing so well as a streamer game.

yea
TFT basically follows LoL visual design, which is fucking garbage generic korean mmo 2D browser game shit

>And if you think Underlords looks good you really drank Gabe's coolaid
Why are you talking about graphics? who gives a fuck? I played both of them and Underlords is easily the best autochess experience right now (excluding drodos mobile game since I haven't tried it)

it has good numbers because its a paid promotion and the game is out

It's the opposite. A fucking mod got popular and somehow you think it's engineered for the twitch audience?

There are more colors in League designs than DotA ones, you just know the latter better. That said they’re intentionally picking the newer/redesigned champions for TFT which lack a lot of that color, they fell for the same dark/faded color scheme meme that Valve did.

>paid promotion
Holy shit valve drones are actually out of their fucking mind. Do you seriously think they paid like 90 of the biggest streamers, many of which don’t even play league?

>not playing the newest hippest game genre that's on par with mobile garbage
get with time gramps

TFT just shows how creatively bankrupt Riot is.(Valve is bankrupt as well, but that's nothign new)
They spend years promising new shit or reworking stuff that needs attention, but they whip up in an instant a copy of the new cash grab that will soak all the zoomer money.

The only good part about Underlords is the item/passive system. Everything else is inferior to it’s counterparts, even when looking strictly at gameplay.

>TFT
>like the mod feels like you're actually playing with 7 other people

>DU
>feels like 8 players are playing a single player game in a dark and cramped dungeon

Can't wait for someone to make a clicker game but instead of clicking it parses emotes from twitch chat. Instant classic.

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i hate riot with all my heart but they win this round for sure

Its League, it will always do the best. Even people who don't play MOBAs for 6+ months come back to League-related stuff like Lirik.

people are talking about art style and the aesthetics not the quality of pixels or how many polygons there are you retard

>Autochess are just RNG-fests with no skill involved
t. shitter
Also the pic is during a paid promotion by Riot

this. tying TFT to the league client is a death wish.

they tried to recreate ' tabletop feel' with shartyfart that had no voice or text chat so that's really fitting for the next vulva game

Seems like league of lol completely stole dota's spotlight

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I think some of its subjective. I think innate 25% crit chance in TFT is going to be not only a balance nightmare but just have random ass huge swings for muh variance. There is plenty of variance in these games and losing a fight because someone got 5 crits in a row isn't a good one. Plus it has a smaller board, the carousel adds more RNG because people will unlock closer to the stuff they want than you.

Remember how all the VaIvedrones said that Underlord would be the complete winner of the "Dota chess race"?

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Just like it’s been doing for years. What a surprise.

its got 40k consecutive players and rising everyday, it will be fine, tft will prob be the bigger game maybe? depends if they release on mobile

why is there a ghost hand taking a cookie?

The catch up mechanic/carousel of TFT is great. Along with viewing your enemies it makes you feel that you are fighting agaisnt people and trying get thd best free champions or fuck other people over. Though I'm not familiar with Underlords if they have something similar

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Anyone who thinks big companies designing mobile is a good idea doesn’t understand the first thing about mobile games or the mobile market.
You only look at the handful of shitty mobile games that makes billions, not the 99.99% that fail.

I don't like either, they feel like cheap mobile games

Then why are you posting? GTFO brainlet and go play auto chess

seething brainlet, go back to your smash threads basedtard

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original mod had it, but underlords actually removed it
I really could see them restore it, at least on PC, people really hate it

Underlord is legit shit just like everyting valve has done to dota after 7.00

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7.00 was already shit 6.80 were the golden ages

6.80 was shit the only good one was 4.20

yea that's was I meant 6.80 was literally peak dota.

comeback patch aka hohohaha aka troll sniper patch were unironically the best until whatever the fuck we have righ tnow

valve as developers are dead

reminder that riot STILL hasnt been able to implement clash. tft is gonna be a disaster at launch. it will be shelved for at least a year. screen cap this; it will be useful later.

Why? What were they thinkinh, without it it sounds like people eho get a good bucket of units will steam roll

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what's clash?

>filipinos, peruvians and russians favorite game get's eclipsed
Good I fucking hate Dota2 pinoy players.
t. Flip

nah sniper was only fun when he had his mini stun.

TFT mobile won't be coming out for a long time I think, if it ever does. Tencent will likely just make a knockoff like usual like Arena of Valor.
Carousel is hit or miss for me. The time between players unlocking isn't big enough. So lets say your bottom left at 8th place, 7th place it top right. Carousel RNG just cucks you and being 7th place was actually FAR better than being 8th.

Mod didn't have it, you always fought clones. You could just pan around and see other boards.
5v5 weekend tournaments, like Dota 2 has had for years. You would get put into brackets, play some rounds, and be a winner of your division/skill group and probably have a symbol displayed for the whole week next to your account.

>saves thumbnails
>responds to being called a brainlet by calling brainlet back and lacks intellect to make a create comeback
>muh smash threads!!
Says the twitch watching basedforbrains r*eddit zoomer, who eats up this garbage new fad which will be dead in a month.
At this point even nintendies who play smash have more IQ than you and your rotten brain on autoshit gameplay, at least smash requires player input and not RNG.
Autochess is complete trash, and the fact it has the word Chess in its name, is disrespectful to the actual game for intellectuals that is Chess.

if your game is so good why not go play it? OH right, it's literally a mobile game for zoomers, and discussing Valve vs Riot vs EG fanbase war and twitch view count is more engaging than the trash game.

It is certainly better to have it tho specially if you are behind. Yes you may not get what you want but it is a free unit

Everyone gets a free unit though, its hardly a comeback mechanic if you don't come out ahead on those rounds. The carousel just adds extra RNG to where the game decided to spawn units unless they add like 2 seconds between players unlocking.

Time to doompost in /dafg/

I've seen games where the comeback is better tho, if a good unit drops you get first dibs. Yeah the guy ahead is gonna get a free unit but it's going to be the bottom of the barrel and will be hardly noticable.

"closed" beta had 30k active players like 1 or 2 days before the lol shit came out. So it was dead from the start.

>5v5 weekend tournaments, like Dota 2 has had for years. You would get put into brackets, play some rounds, and be a winner of your division/skill group and probably have a symbol displayed for the whole week next to your account.
Ah thanks for the explanation. Didn't know Riot wanted to implement their own version of Battlecups. Given how incompetent their employees are, I wouldn't hold my breath on them implementing that any time soon.

the league artstyle is literally what shitty chinese mobile games that you've never heard of but somehow have 100,000s of payers look like
it's boring as fuck

> if a good unit drops you get first dibs
Not really. If it spawns on the opposite side of where you are at you can't get to it before someone else unlocks who spawned closer. If they add more time between people unlocking, then yeah you get first dibs. Right now its kinda half-assed and personally I don't like the idea of the units from the carousel being able to be sold for money. Its a bag of gold with an item usually, rather than a unit with an item.

Its been delayed for over a year now I believe. They brought it out, it broke the game/servers, took it away and its been back once and instantly gone again because it keeps breaking.

me too you fuckign donkey, dota design is top tier in visuals and sound

being this angry, get a life dude lol

>Valve still thinks slapping Dota in the name will make people buy it

I don't really care about weebshit games like these but isn't ubderlords in a closed demo right now?

So is League, its just League is and will always be far more popular. The numbers won't be this bad in a few weeks, TFT will not be more popular than actual League or Fortnite.

Steam will continue to make them billions so they don't really care if a few little games fail

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

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If I don't care to do anything other than download a game for free, can I play either of these two currently?

>Its been delayed for over a year now I believe. They brought it out, it broke the game/servers, took it away and its been back once and instantly gone again because it keeps breaking.
That's like a comedy skit, in a way

Can you talk to players in TFt? I never played any auto chess-likes but good god artifact was awful.

wait bro, you telling me that LoL is more popular than dota????!!!!

underlords comes out tomorrow and league is running on 1980s tier servers so it has a login queue of like unironically 8 hours. Nice game

>2000 viewers
OH NONONONONONONONO

>if a few little games fail
>what is:everything they’ve done as a developer since 2013
You could argue it’s even more than that since DotA has always been second fiddle to League, though at least it makes them money.

Feels good to be a TFT chad. Thanks for the mod Pcbros.

Thanks. Friday release is pretty atypical, I wonder why they did that. Any word on the TFT release date? also 8 hour queue is pretty funny.

Valve needs to stop trying to make games in the fucking “Dota universe”, there is no god damn Dota universe it’s just a bunch of random shit “this guy is living entropy this guys been to super hell this guy is a wizard” nobody fucking cares. Even LoL with its stripped down lore has common places, settings, and events. Dota is just a bunch of origin stories with zero cohesion.

I'm unironically looking forward to Teamfight Tactics

Can we actually use our own skins, and are there rewards for the mode and stuff?

I hope someday Riot adds ability draft to LoL but I doubt the system can handle it.

How did they get PBE access if they don't even play League?

I don't think anyone has ever or will ever play these games for the "story". Also playing video games at all for the story is fucking stupid.

DotA 2 lore will be shit as long as it has to keep towing the line of
>TOTALLY NOT WARCRAFT except here’s this minor warcraft reference wink wink

The entire Riot lore department feels like nepotism, its people who couldn't write literally anywhere else but a fucking MOBA that no one cares about the story in.

I don't think Valve ever tried to push SUPER LORE TOTALLY SERIOUs outside of the comics. Even in the little I saw of Artifact its just 2 players on a board with some voice lines. Same as Underlords now. There is no storyline going on.

see
Riot lets random people into the PBE all the time, they want new/casual player opinions too. I’m sure they’ll give you access if you claim to be a streamer/youtuber too. The Honor 3 thing is just a filter for retards.

Shartibros...

I just took a big shit, shartibro. We're back.

All these games in the past 8 years:
>dota 2
>the lab
>artifact
>dota underlords
What went wrong?

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Valve fired all their actual developers a long time ago and left a skeleton team on to manage Steam. When they try to make a game these days it’s always following some trend, usually half-baked and too late.

I still have to admire Valve
if all they cared about was money, they could have easily made a waifu gacha game that was only available on Steam and mobile WAY BEFORE Artifact.

Imagine being this retarded. They have a team of 25 people on Underlords.

>25 people
Wow, so many, also none of them have been at Valve for more than 3 years I bet.

thats like 20% of the company

They’re too lazy and incompetent to do even that, don’t think for a second they’re too moral to try and jew you with gambling sims.

>if all they cared about was money
Yeah. Thats why all their multiplayer games having loot boxes in it. For the players and community!

What is confusing to you about turn based strategy games?

valve actively chooses to not make the games people want them to make.

artifact/dota/underlords are all like the same people moving around. the rest of valve is off doing vr and working on games they will cancel before release. this has been the case since 2011.

they would manage to fuck that up, too

its literally just a card game with live units fighting each other
what?!??!?!?!?

Dota 2 is still pumping a lot of cash for Valve though and the game is still fun and competitive.

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You can tell who is a Riot fanboy

>riot fanboy
am i in 2012

League's Autochess is the worst one by far. It's the most buggy and will be played the most just because the average person is double digit IQ.

This is the peak of irony because half this thread is filled with the most brainwashed Valve drones on the planet, it’s always been that way on Yea Forums. I bet you’d call me a Riot fanboy for not playing either.

The TFT team is about 30 so it doesn't take many people to get a game like this off the ground and into the hands of people fast.

>average person is double digit IQ

is this bait?

No. It's just a fact.

Source? Riot has lots of employees. Feels like they'd go all out just to say FUCK YOU to Valve and trying to go head to head in this auto chess war by stacking the dev team with a lot of developers.

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100 IQ is defined as being the exact average of all IQ

It'd be funny if they did that because it'll just end up making the game worse.

Scarra's TFT video from like a week ago. He said when they visited the team was 30 people and they got the build they played on done in 6 weeks.

reminder that teamfight tactics was made in 8 weeks

America is lower than pic related and third worlders are fucking drooling retards.

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>I'm unironically looking forward to moba shit
Cuh-ringe

It's funny how TFT is in "closed beta" yet pretty much every big stream who has never played LOL has access to it.

>2012
>no facts to back up your claims
>obsession
Yep, it's an /int/ poster

spoken like a TRUE gamer

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Spoken like a true butthurt faggot

You very low iq. I am telling you that 100 IQ is necessarily the average of all IQs because that is the definition of the word. I don't know how else to explain this other than to tell you to look up what a 'normal distribution' is.

So you admit you're wrong and I'm right.

Yeah you're totally not the butthurt one lmao

it's still peaking at 30k though

>You very low iq.

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Its because Riot is good at marketing which is giving people free PBE accounts that also bypass he queue. Not a single streamer has to sit in queue

Do you honestly not know what the word average means? Average isn't the "middle" or standard. Average is taking every individuals IQ (x), adding it together and then dividing by the number (x).

I mean I can try to explain it in reverse. If what you are saying is true, and the average was in double digits, then 100 would become whatever your theoretical double digit number is. IQ scores are relevant to and based around the average, which is always 100.

Did Artifact have that 1 million tournament yet

TFT has awful glance value. All these characters look the fucking same

1 million and artifact can only be in one sentence if we are talking about losses

i'm just making fun of your grammar don't sweat it fatass

No but I wouldn't be surprised if Valve came out and canceled the reboot of Artifact too. Auto Chess games are repackaged card games, it has everything about card game strategies and adds in pack opening as a gameplay mechanic

lol, I didn't even notice I had a typo I was sperging too hard.

I thought Underlords released today, I think I'm going to have to install TFT.

text chat, pings and emotes of lol

>glance value
Die

You need Honor 3 to play TFT, but Underlords should be out today or tomorrow.
Its true though. Same reason why level 2/3 heroes have such watered down fucking upgrades while in DAC they get fucking insane skin upgrades. Muh low spec, muh engine can't handle it. The level 3 units look fucking pathetic.

If you wait for tomorrow you can play the superior Dota Underlords

>Congrats

4 years ago valve would have said Congratulations

China always win