EA: they're suprise mechanics, not loot boxes

tf2 but no one opens those, so I don't know.

It's not so much about them being in good games, it's that it's affecting what could have been good games. This is having an impact on the industry as a whole and defending them is an unwinnable position.

We might get more good games if big budget shit wasn't balanced around them.

>I either have to be a corporate bootlicker or a government bootlicker because redditors wont stop buying EA games and, despite them being shit, keep playing them and buying loot crates
BOYCOTT EA YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS

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They're using that "it was surprise sex!" tech. They probably brainstormed for an hour to come out with some counter meme to use lmao.

>alcohol and casinos for minors shouldn't be banned, kids should just stop drinking and gambling

lol they are regulated why else would governments allow them to operate?

this but unironically

technically this should happen too.

Yes! It's a regional dialect.

eyeh, what region?

EA's being fucking retarded. Laws are written by lawyers. They're not going to get BTFO by that level of retardation. They won't write "a bill to ban lootboxes". They will specifically explain what it is they are trying to do away with legally, and I'd assume that is "a bill to ban microtransactions that provide an end user with (1) a measurable advantage in an electronic form of entertainment, or (2) a cosmetic item based on random chance. This bill will not apply to large digital purchases that provide substantial (as defined in appendix A subsection 21, under "expansion packs") content packs that have cosmetic features and/or advantageous items as defined here therein."

I wrote that up drunk and while it's not perfect, that's the kind of shit law lawyers do. they just don't write "lootboxes illegal lol!"

>murder shouldn't be punishable by law, just don't get killed lmao

>if people just stopped killing each other then banning murder wouldn't be necessary

Uhh, upstate Reddit

EA deserves to be burned to the ground and anyone working there should be put on the social blacklist or the sex offender list (same shit) to never get a job anywhere again

you're conflating murder with selling lootcrates, which is fucking retarded but a little funny

>It's a surprise discount, not piracy!

Where do you think you are? And more importantly, how high do you think the average IQ is here?

well i'm from r/dickgirls and i never heard of the phrase surprise mechanics

If rape can be worse than murder then so can loot crates. It's a get offended or be the offender world.

>just stop buying rotten food that gives you the shits and kills you, regulations are bad!

Surprise mechanics? Wtf does that even mean? Makes me think you pay for a chance to unlock the ability to jump or shoot a gun, but I'm sure that's not what they're going for.

EA will never die as long as they have their sport licenses.

>It's surprise buttsex, not anal rape!

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I'd rather be the offender than be a loot crate is worse than murder little bitch. go back to leftypol retard
>defending buying rotten food that kills you
glad to know the kind of people who need loot crates banned for them

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i want to hatefuck AOC. i love horse faced bitches and i have no idea why

no no its a r/cuckold expression

>quite enjoyable to people
Well that's the point though, isn't it? If lootboxes weren't designed to be enjoyable to open then there wouldn't be any point to opening them. People buy lootboxes because they want a particular item, but the chances of actually getting that item are so slim that you my require multiple chances to get the specific item you want, and once you get it, you may have already spent so much. That's how addiction starts and continues. Not to mention they've designed opening lootboxes and getting items both to be visually appealing (confetti or some high extravagant lightshow) and appealing by sound (got that legendary skin? thunderous applause). From the ground up it's designed to keep you buying and unfortunately people fall for it time and time again.

It's an attempt to avoid calling gambling gambling, it's about as effective as being a defendant in a rape trial and calling it surprise sex.

Get to the back of the line, nig

>I'd rather be the offender
Will never make it in the current year

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I have read the bill, EA, your shit isn't gonna stick no matter how you name them.

You'd be surprised at the utter insanity of the food industry, they will gladly kill a few hundred babies if they can save 1% on manufacturing, without heavy food regulation we'd still have an average lifespan of 30 years.

oh yeah, that verbal gymnastic to make it sound more legitimate than "NU-UH" in from of a british committee will surely gravely impact a us-american senate bill.

whiter than you, Muhammad

I'm gonna need an example of that big guy

It's not genocide, it's population control and it's quite ethical

Based

>In an oral evidence session with the UK Parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport Committee, Hopkins compares the mechanics to surprise toys, which have been around “for years, whether it’s Kinder Eggs, or Hatchimals, or LOL Surprise.”
How disingenuous. Nobody buys Kinder eggs just for the toy. Or keeps buying kinder eggs trying to get a specific toy. They buy them for the chocolate, which is guaranteed.

Not him, but maybe not. Arabs are very light-skinned.

Nestlé for example actively promoted their formulas against breastfeeding for decades which led to uncountable diseases and deaths particularly in developing countries, they also monopolize water supplies to sell overpriced water in drought-hit places.

On paper I'm not against loot boxes being purchasable by adults specifically, but overtime I have realized most adults are also fucking retarded, and also as a side effect of outright banning them, I'm hoping in vein that it will force western devs to make good content again (I know it won't, but if it fucks them over in any way, I'll be happy.) I do truly want them to be banned for minors because I literally see gambling addiction every day. The gas station I hit up before work sold a $10,000 winner one time and has become that "lucky spot" for every gambler in the county. Seeing those depraved people blow hundreds of bucks on scratchers every day is sad, just knowing that if they invested the amount they're blowing, they'd actually reap tangible benefits, and I don't want kids exposed to that kind of vice, especially when they have a higher chance of winning what they want than the lotto provides. I also accept, however, they're dumb. It's a vice that caters on the dumb. I enjoy a good gamble myself, but I know the stakes and don't blow money. Dumb adults do, and dumb kids that become dumb adults will no matter what you do, outside of making gambling completely illegal. I can see that side of it too.

nice try goldberg, but ive had enough of your jewish ways

Cosmetic only lootbox acceptable
Statistical advantage tied to lootbox bad

Why isnt FGO, Granblue, or other jap gacha games banned?

the lol surprise things are a rather new toy though and not only do kids love opening them up to see what they get but they also love to watch other kids open them up on youtube

>Not making your parents buy Burger King over and over again to get the right Sonic toys

the people who want to legislate video games are kikes, shlomo.
this is a good point

She looks like she smells nice.

Ban loot boxes and achievements, bring cheat codes back

I see.
You know, EA these loot boxes are surprisingly similar to the ones they have in scratch-off cards.

Imagine being naive enough to think the government intervening in your hobby is a good thing.

LOL surprise and hatchimals are IRL lootboxes, along with a bunch of other bullshit toys taking kids by storm. EA is not doing themselves a favor by referencing them, they're shooting themselves in the foot by literally pointing out that toy companies sell gambling toys (Which probably should be illegal), and therefore it's fine if they peddle the same shit to kids. It's a really weak fucking argument, but one of the few they have. It's pretty much that and "FREE MARKET CAPITALISM FUCK YOU COMMIE!", and they'll probably throw that one out there too.

>not just asking the cashier for the toy you want

Do they honestly think that rewording the name is going to help when they won’t change the mechanic itself?
At best they’re going to make someone tell their intern to write a few extra lines to close the loophole.

You mean the scratch off cards that offer money? You think that's similar to videogame cosmetics and perks? Are you an idiot?

RUN FOR PRESIDENT ALLREADY.

>some retainer earning $500/hr came up with this argument

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Delightfully devilish, EA

imagine being a corporate cockmongler

Gambling is not my hobby. It's a normie vice I want OUT of my hobby.

I went to school with a lot of Arabs. Saudis, they're kinda light skinned but they really stood out.

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art is always better and more genuine when under pressure - financial or governmental, whatever. order of things is way too gravy for developers and shareholders who puppeteer them. and it's not like we have anything to lose too, really. every single good franchise is raped and butchered. what's to lose?

They will be once the law passes.

Ive been playing EA Battlefront 2 for the past week. All gameplay progression comes from earning exp by playing matches. Lootbox just give yoh currency to buy costumes voicelines taunts etc.why is EA being blamed for Lootboxes?

Wooosh

careful you dont break your wrist sweetheart

Sounds good, i would only add a
"If the digital good is can not be transfered or sold"

B A S E D

It runs on the exact same psychological exploitation mechanics, yes.

>At best they’re going to make someone tell their intern to write a few extra lines to close the loophole.

Won't do shit, more than likely. Like I said, lawyers write laws, and lawyers that write laws SHOULD be knowledgeable on the history of poorly worded laws that didn't end up working as intended. As time goes on you see loopholes pop up lest often in new laws because they get smarter about how they word shit. If western devs do find a loophole in the final language of a theoretical enacted law, they'd likely sit on it for a few years until it's not a hotbutton issue anymore before acting on it. If they did it right away lawmakers would just draft an amendment or some shit to shut them down.

it's called loot sex and it's about to be banned you know

delet. i know im a wristlet.

They are effectively both the same thing since they're in bed together. It's ok to hate both

Yeah.

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It's not crack, it's a recreational substance your honor.

I'm sure EA has lawyers of their own trying to figure out what to do.

It's like a semantic argument made by a Yea Forumsirgin.

>It's not gambling
>It's surprise emptied bank account logistics fun time

Not to mention LOL surprise is quite expensive for literally nothing. Saw one my niece wanted for £25 that was the size of a coke can and pic related costs £60 apparently.

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But this website is about gambling, it has nothing to do with CSGO or it's skins.

It is okay to hate both, you're right. And I'm not an ancap I'm more of a national socialist so I'm not against government regulation. I'm just against American governemnt regulation.

ITS OVER CORPFAGS

I'm sure the entire game industry/the ESA is on full scramble mode. At least Nintendo saw the writing on the wall and made a big thing about how their mobile efforts will just be ads for their actual games so they should get by unskathed.

it's not capital murder, it's just human recycling. it's clean and good for the environment.

This, I would actually consider legitimate gambling because Steam items can be traded for actual money so they do have actual value. Comparing that to anything else is just stupid.

>implying lootboxes aren't the 2019 equivalent of passing out cigarettes to kids
This is the future libertarians want.

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A boycott by thousands won't do shit against a handful of whales dumbass. "Vote with your wallet" is an idiotic suggestion since one man =! one vote when it comes to this stuff.

I don't buy games with loot crates, but I have my own faults. Loot boxes exploit human psychology in a way that you can't realistically expect everyone to resist. Stop being an ideologue.

>"It's not crack cocaine, it's a 'recreational substance' your honor, like alcohol or cigarettes. It's quite ethical."
Check mate, legal system.

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Holy dog shit! THAT'S WHATS IN THE $60 ONES!? I really want kids but this is one of those times when I thank god I don't have any right now! That's maybe a buck worth of Chinese bullshit!

The difference is that surprise toys are analog stuff. Theoretical you can sell it. And you can use it whenever or for what ever you want.
With ea, or others, its bound to the game in a mutliplayer game where you need their server. So it fullfills the gambling thing where the company has all power and need restrictions.

Here's your kinder surprise bro

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I'm an alcoholic. Ban alcohol.

HOLY SHIT! It's like EA saying happy birthday to me, and it's not even my birthday!

>it's not rape if they're dead
What a timeline we're in!

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Same with sex, better put the stop to that pesky practice.

The next step in the argument you two NPCs are having is "alcohol isn't sold to children". Predictable trash.

There is a good reason it's illegal to sell alcohol to minors user.

Is the bill to ban the sale of lootboxes to children, or to ban the sale of lootboxes?

>It wasn't a lie, it was just an alternative fact.

They tried that. It wasn't very popular but the rate of alcoholism did decrease while it was banned.

Given it’s a hearing in the UK, they’d be especially wary of poor wording due to some catastrophically retarded laws they’ve had to rework over the years.
The wording of older recklessness laws in particular were hilarious to read about.

>Good reason
Press X to doubt

Making it illegal won't change anything. If you actually wanted to change shit you wouldn't buy EA games for your kids
Then I'm serious. Unironically ban alcohol.

It’s not “rape”, it’s “surprise mechanics”

>Your honor, it wasn’t a bank robbery
>It was a surprise withdrawal

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TBHQ Hatchimals and LOL dolls are also predatory. The biggest difference between them and lootboxes is that the toys are tangible items that you could easily trade or sell after buying and opening them.

no no Patented EA loot boxes, old company practice

And violent crime skyrocketed.

Okay, Yea Forums, you are tasked by EA to come up with a new name for lootboxes in 10 seconds. Go.

>>destroys your anti loot box bill in seconds
That's not how law works retard. It's not a fucking computer program, judges might not alway be tech literate BUT THEY ARE EXTREMELY BULLSHIT LITERATE. They've seen corps and conmen and wannabe arm chair lawyers and shit try to pull every trick you can think of and a lot more a million times. The laws generally define intent and leave things intentionally fuzzy precisely so that judges and prosecutors can then just do whatever. That's not a bug it's a feature.

If anti-lootbox bills are minimal maybe there will be a loophole, but right now it looks like governments are starting to seriously regard them as gambling (which they are) which will probably lead them to come down hard, since gambling trips all sorts of alignments of interests and vidya companies are upstart newcomers. Puritans, leftists, existing gambling interests make an unusual and strong alliance. I wouldn't count on anti-lootbox bills being weak, in which case EA blowing it off would actually be awesome because they'll get raped by the legal system after.

This shit is just PR, trying to dilute things.

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At least you know what you're getting. Imagine if you had to gamble on it. You might get a Bud Light, a Heineken, or a Hi-C.

>Unironically ban alcohol.
Scapegoat of alcohol was banned worldwide and found to be lesser evil. Banning alcohol is equivalent of wilfully inviting bloodthirsty gangs into your community.

fuck off bootlicker

ETHICS
IN
BIDEOGAMES

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> It's not rape, it's suprise buttsex!"

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Wouldn't be a problem if the devs didn't gimp the games and have stats-affecting items.

Says the corporate asslicker

The game is only like that now due to extreme backlash from both fans and lawmakers.

That's not the argument all you faggots are making. It's that they're taking advantage of whales. People who can't control themselves like an alcoholic can't control himself.
It was a strawman lmao

>wah wah why isn't the law like my mmo :(
>sucks EA dick
>calls others bootlickers
WHEW

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>implying

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It would have the same effect either way. Games with lootboxes would have to be rated AO, which means no retailer would carry them.

Payable free random present crate

LMAO
ORAL
EVIDENCE

ORAL!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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It’s not murder, it’s mortality assurance.
It’s not stealing, it’s surprise donation.

>Can't control
nobody says this, people are saying that Whales are willingly paying for the content. They aren't retarded man children they are just people with more money than sense and they aren't interested in our problems.

For “Surprise Mechanics”?

they can ethically surprise-choke on my dick

this trash mechanic is ruining SP games as well and they're awful in anything that involves competition

kys EA dicksucker

>gubmint control bad
>brivate bisniz good
>please fuck me comcast daddy

>It's not gambling, your honor, it's a robbery
>wait, that came out wrong

>nobody says this
no everyone says this. that's half of jim sterling's content is how he has a gambling problem. that's why children aren't allowed to gamble in the first place, because gambling is treated like alcohol and some people can't control themselves.

go back

NOOOO MY .PNGS!!! I SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THEM!!! NOOOOO

Corporations are gubmint entities I don't really give a fuck if they regulate themselves out of existence

Yes?

>alcohol
IRL isn't the same as digital. Unlike IRL, lootboxes are INHERENTLY REGULATABLE AND SELF-DEFEATING. Because the entire point of them is artificial scarcity not real scarcity, if anyone can just spawn them infinitely or whatever items then there is no point. That means that the whole thing has to be locked down, either via the platform itself being locked down (consoles, iPhones) or via it all being server-side which is locked down. But locked down by definition means that it can also be subject to centralized control. The government can order the server operators or platform owners to take action and go after them physically IRL if they fail.

So there is a no-win here. They cannot avoid regulation of lootboxes without destroying lootboxes. You inherently can't have them in a normal decentralized PC vidya, because people can just "cheat" them trivially. Lootboxes are fully practical to regulate or ban without negative side effects.

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Its not stealing, its resource reallocation

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Yes...

Whales CAN CONTROL THEMSELVES. they are biggest portion of complainers about P2W practices.
Whales are people who PREVENT tactics like vote with your money, because they WISH to vote for not against.

Well, yes they should, besides the point that you shouldn't market those services to kids.

Internet service regulation is something the government should actually be addressing since it does adversely affect people, but why go for major corporations when vidieogames are low hanging fruit without lobbyists?

Abortion is not murder, it's surprise cells removal.

>big tits are not ethical
>surprise boxes are
I hate this cocksucking industry so much.

>Because the entire point of them is artificial scarcity not real scarcity, if anyone can just spawn them infinitely or whatever items then there is no point.
As far as scarcity goes, there's not even any guarantee that the more desirable drops that trick people into spending tons of money are even actually in the odds for the lootboxes.

I seriously hope this shit passes and lootboxes get banned.

fuck zoomers for even buying this shit in the first place. genz is the most cancerous generation of all

No one is arguing that lootcrates aren't easily regulated. We're arguing whether they should be regulated.
there's nothing unethical about it then. I've seen Jim Sterling sperg out over Destiny 2 because he has to buy microtransactions when he sees them and that's what the argument is actually over.

Repeatable Asset Purchase Expendables, or RAPE for short.

>the bikes will surely be used well and increase total happiness in the world :D!!
youtube.com/watch?v=nAAOylsRONQ

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Its not genocide, its pest control

>It's not theft, it's a surprise discount
>It's not rape, it's surprise sex
>It's not littering, it's a surprise food for the birds

>At best they’re going to make someone tell their intern to write a few extra lines to close the loophole.
Queue Overwatch 2

Jim Sterling is a faggot, he is creating controversy to stay relevant. I don't give a shit what Mr.Lard has to say, if you do not have original ideas why do you regurgitate opinions of the worst people?

don't worry the ancap memers being played by EA here will make threads dedicated to "keeping the government out of videogames" to save lootboxes

Ancaps support neither side

>No one is arguing that lootcrates aren't easily regulated. We're arguing whether they should be regulated.
Practicality though directly ties into whether they should be regulated. That's what is invoked when someone brings up drugs, including alcohol. A big problem with regulating those is precisely the negative real world side effects that result. If it really was possible to make a drug illegal and then it'd all just sort of flash out of existence with no black market possible, the discussion would be very different. But since it's not and instead black market and prison causes more harm then the drugs themselves do, it's dumb.

Loot boxes though are clearly economically worthless and harmful to those with gambling prone personalities, but simultaneously eliminating it has no bad side effects. No mobs or whatever can develop around them, they're purely a product of mega corps and digital lockdown. That's the argument for regulating them: some good will come of it, and no bad.

They are legal entities owned and ran for profit by private individuals. They are not *owned* by the government.
They are legal entities only because their owners do not want to be held liable for the actions of the business.

Don't misdirect your anger.

So you're arguing that there's nothing unethical about lootcrates? Then we're arguing the same thing you autist.

China has to be the most wasteful thing in existence, really tells you how inefficient and out of touch a government-driven society is.

Lobbying effectively makes them State owned

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Maybe they'll actually have to try and make a good sports game if Ultimate Team bullshit goes away.

and you call them surprise mechanics dispite the fact they are obviously loot boxes.

>cashier doesn't have the toy you want
What now?

I forgot where but lootboxes are banned according to law there and the way Overwatch got around the law was to sell tokens for real money to trade for lootboxes instead of selling the lootboxes directly for cash.

>Covering sensible systems like CSGO and TF2 skins
>Killing shit like OW and Battlefront
Is good day

*Lobbying effectively makes them own the State
FTFY

Aesthetics Selling Station Falling Under Calculated Cosmetics Earning Revenue Statistic

Or ASSFUCCERS for your convenience

The law would have to be written to say that any items attainable through lootboxes should also be available either through normal game progression, or a la carte through an in-game store.

Zoomer wallet repositories

Y’know I haven’t generally given a fuck about this whole situation but it would have to be EA that desperately tries to protect loot boxes.

Personally, I’d rather the government stay out of muh vidya but there’s no doubt loot boxes are scummy and there is something cathartic about seeing perhaps the biggest scumbags in the industry crying that their scummiest tactic is being taken away from them

>you lived long enough to see EA become the good guys in an argument about business practices
what a time to be alive

No they aren't.

Based!

Fucking this. Laws are written by intent, they describe the outcome they want to happen then leave implementation to the executive branch. FFS you fags, governments are not retarded when it comes to wielding POWER. Exactly what they wield it towards? Yeah, that can be dumb or corrupted. But the actual art of using it and keeping it is something they are all good at, or else obviously they wouldn't exist for long because someone better at power games would take over.
>(1) a measurable advantage in an electronic form of entertainment, or (2) a cosmetic item based on random chance.
I think you don't need any more if it's modified to something like
>a bill to ban microtransactions that provide an end user with (1) any digital Content (as defined in subsection 34) for an interactive electronic entertainment product or service wherein (2) acquisition depends on a significant element of random chance.
You don't need to worry about normal xpacs or even DLC because no chance is involved, you're just buying a specific Thing for money. It's not gambling, you know what you're getting upfront and then you get it.

I don't think P2W is particularly attractive, but it's not gambling and I think banning lootboxes/gacha is enough to start with and we can see how well that fixes things before considering further fuzzier measures.

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Randomized Assets Purchasable In Set Terms.

This can be shortened to a RAPIST. EA likes to put a lot of RAPISTs in their games

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>take next toy in your wanted list
Easy

get out commie

>he don't worry officer this isn't heroin, it's an herbal remedy, thus not illegal.

You're not fooling anyone.

>Personally, I’d rather the government stay out of muh vidya
But the government is inexorably tied into our vidya user, because it's all based around IP. Copyright and trademark and government creations, EULAs and TOS and licensing and all that is backed by government force and law. Any industry based entirely around those things can't cry about MUH GUBMINT BEING MEAN, unless they want to just give up on all that and see how it goes. Regardless of how common piracy and hacking is now, the industry would be pretty damn different if all of that was in fact 100% legal, if there were full on for profit companies dedicated to breaking DRM and redistributing and could do so without any retribution, because hey no government involvement.

Lootbox gambling shit is totally valid to target. The industry just made a more refined version of something humanity has been dealing with for millennia and is carefully regulated for harm, made it even more addictive/easier, and then marketed it directly at children and the most vulnerable with AI ad algorithms and everything. What they fuck did they expect would happen? Government moves slow, so there were many years to cash in on the initial gold rush, but OF COURSE it'd move in on that shit eventually.

why did this post in particular get deleted?

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not bad user, not bad at all

>there's not even any guarantee that the more desirable drops that trick people into spending tons of money are even actually in the odds for the lootboxes.
I thought in Japan at least that was in fact required by law, something intro'd in the last few years. All rates have to listed somewhere for each specific thing in a box, and they have to be accurate. Dunno how well that is enforced, but it'd be pretty easy for a whale to notice if probabilities were significant different from the mean, and also trivial for the government to test.

To be fair, when governments are ignorant of a subject, they tend to make dumb laws e.g Assault Weapon bans. But in this instance, it's pretty straightforward what they're trying to stop, but it'd be interesting to see what exciting new methods EA will use to jew people.

Who actually buys sports games

yeah...well..you see.....you know........excuse me for one moment

They're not going to ban pay to win though. They're going to ban the sale of them to children as well as regulate the methods that can be used in the sale of them to reduce them exploiting addiction.

The majority of people that play games, unironically

Ass loads of people, where do you think early console sales from before they have any games come from?

Post YFW all gacha mobileshit is banned and waifufags commit sudoku

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I wish they would ban pay2win. Imagine it - we would get all DLC for free

On one hand i want games to go back to being games instead of lootboxes and DLC, on the other hand i like having my gaming be free and supported by idiots with more money than sense.

I'm leaning towards the former more than the latter.

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EA fighting tooth and nail for microtransactions is to be expected.
What puzzles me is that in an office somewhere deep within the bowels of EA, someone came up with the term "surprise mechanics" and thought "yep, this is a good idea, it will put a positive spin on things and help stifle the debate about microtransactions."

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The latter always encroaches on your own experience. Once a dev gets a taste of that sweet P2W dosh, they expand it to all parts of gameplay.

You're gonna end up playing candy crush in no time once they're done with the subhumans viewing unrealistic and mysogynary virtual wymmenz without paying tribute to the golden feminist vagina because anything but kids games and edutainment encourage violence and desensitize children to it.

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Casinos aren't aimed at children, video games are. EA can keep their loot boxes, but any game with them will get the Adult Only rating.

bump

Palestine

>I wish they would ban pay2win. Imagine it - we would get all DLC for free
I don't, because that's too subjective. Gambling is clear, easy and objective: are you buying a chance at something vs actually just buying something, yes or no. But tons of awesome expansion packs have included new units/weapons/spells and shit, hell that's often a core part of a good one. But some of those new units/weapons/spells will probably be strong, and might arguably give an advantage to someone who has them. Are those now "P2W", just because other people didn't buy the xpac? That seems really hard to define well. I think the market can decide on that one, there is no chance involved. I'm happy just to see gacha/lootboxes go, that's the real whale cancer.

Europeans that buy PS4s just for FIFA.

/k/ here. The Assault Weapons bans and things of that nature are actually ingeniously evil, because while they don't accomplish their stated purpose of stopping murders, they do ban or neuter wide swaths of weapons that are useful for resisting the government, which was the whole purpose behind the law in the first place. The average retard supports those laws because they assume scary gun = bad, but the antigun politicians are fully aware that such bans won't accomplish anything but secure their own elite authority from ever being overthrown.

Pretty much the entire gaming community that doesn't actually play other games outside of other dudebro stuff that's extremely popular. Why in the hell do you think they make them every single year and spend so much boring time on them at E3?

>On one hand i want games to go back to being games instead of lootboxes and DLC, on the other hand i like having my gaming be free and supported by idiots with more money than sense.
I also like the idea of idiots paying so I don't have to spend my own money, but the fact of the matter is that this shit is expanding to all areas of gameplay and it's also stagnating the entire industry. Almost very big publisher is pushing Fortnite clones in an attempt to cash in on gullible kids instead of actually making compelling games with replay value that sell on their own merits.

>compared loot boxes them to kinder eggs
hope they enjoy getting banned in america then

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Basketball-Americans love the NBA 2k series.

Casinos are one of the most regulated industries in America. Even the regulations on a single slot machine probably outnumber the regulations most smaller industries have.

Don't point guns at me

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>EA games still disconnects you from their servers from no reason, every game, since BF5 and Apex flops, and still no fix

Jesus fucking christ nobody calls them on it

There's a reason for that. That slot machine can make up whatever odds it likes and you're not going to catch it unless you play an inhuman amount of spins and tally what you get.

Nobody knows because nobody plays their games.

That's a sick airsoft you got there. Could probably bruise somebody if you really tried.

i'm mortified of the possibility that this comic is unironic. to think a man could hold such self-destructive and ill-minded views is horrifying. thinking like that is what collapses civilizations. tolerating theft is only a step on the path to total anarchy.

It's astounding the bullshit they try to pull. It's insulting, really. They must really believe that they're audience is a bunch of drooling retards. And even if that's true, you should at least pretend to be speaking to an intelligent human being.

>They must really believe that they're audience is a bunch of drooling retards

The entire game industry does considering the shit they pull. Remember the xbone reveal?

That is unironically the worldview any government would want for their citizens. Anarchy would require at least some people to fight back, that is not it.

What happened to Yea Forums and internet culture in general that the zeitgeist moved from libertarianism to authoritarianism? I dislike lootboxes as much as the other guy but this frothing craving for government meddling is disconcerting.

Yeah, but when are we going to publish the Janitorial Compensation Bill so our fellow jannies get the pay they deserve?

The best case scenario is that the legislature passes another law preventing surprises in video games, leading to upheaval. Fuck off, EA.

The companies finally went too far and started getting really direct about indoctrinating us and eroding at our hobbies.

The USofA is a common law country, they fully expect this to go to court. It's like when Lawrence v Texas occurred and everyone was shitting on everyone else when the only reason it even started was because down in the courthouse the prosecutor nudged the defense attorney which was a hint that the defense needed to request a larger fine so it could be appealed. The whole goddamn thing was planned from the start, same as what is happening with loot boxes.

Now EA is retarded, so they probably are just gonna fight tooth and nail to keep their "gambling" mechanic instead of constructing their argument in such a way that a solution can be hammered out. I'll bet you one American dollar they'll cite foreign schemes like gacha and how they're perfectly legal.

Problem is that they're legal in shithole countries and not the USofA. Foreign case law means precisely dick in common law countries, excepting the home country of jolly old England.

Of course

the zeitgeist has always been "the opposite of whateveryone else does" and "shitposting". unfortunately the circle of everyone else has narrowed from "the mainstream" to "this board".

>airsoft
Yes, obviously Americans don't actually own guns. The whole world is just an extension of Europstan.

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>loot boxes are considered a fucking eithical issue
lol?

>What puzzles me is that in an office somewhere deep within the bowels of EA, someone came up with the term "surprise mechanics" and thought "yep, this is a good idea, it will put a positive spin on things and help stifle the debate about microtransactions."
More like their boss's boss's boss's boss's boss's bosses (shareholders) demanded that EA find a way out of this and so some poor sucker had to try and come up with a way to spin it in a positive way

Sounds more like damage control to me. It's clear that they're actually shaking in their boots about this bill being passed. These little semantics battles might win over Redditors or autistic people on Yea Forums, but the law doesn't give a shit about how you word your jewish bullshit, especially when most lawmakers don't care enough about videogames to differentiate the smaller details EA will argue

Paper thin there EA

>this frothing craving for government meddling is disconcerting
>Fuck the government, why do we need laws again? Just legalize drugs and burn the constitution, the free market will fix everything!

Based retard

This destroys the /pol/ corporate bootlicker / RetardEra tranny

They must imagine themselves as high as silicon valley for some reason.

I wish more triple A games had rape mechanics.

How many good companies have EA killed?

Only children's casinos sir

>On one hand i want games to go back to being games instead of lootboxes and DLC
Would you be willing to pay more for games if that happened?

Would they really shun the 60 dollar price point?

Reminds me of when North Korea was allowed to keep their concentration camps because they told the UN they call them labour camps and not concentration camps

EA's defense is literally:
>It's not rape, it's surprise sex

We don't have to. Game prices are already where they should be. The only reason lootboxes and shit exist is to milk games for as long as possible instead of making new ones.
EA used to make loads of different games. Now they instead make a few games in the same franchises a year and stretch them out to shit with microtransactions.
So now they've increased their profits while decreasing production and the consumer gets fucked. Meanwhile the actual devs still get paid like shit.

Not the same guy, but sure, I've got a job. Id be willing to pay more for a really good game, and indies are still a thing (hopefully AA too).

Subhumans, or Eurocucks as some like to call them

In case you haven't realized, the legal system is built on retardation exactly like this.
Lawyers literally study for years to learn how to game the system through technicalities and loopholes in court.

>Beliving EA lies
>again

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i dislike spoonfeeding faggots, but i respect that you went out of your way to shut any low IQ nigger up

Wow. Why haven't casinos thought of this? They could just call "losing all your money and destroying your financial future" a "surprise mechanic".

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God, I hope they get raped into bankruptcy

Since 2007

SURPRISE YOUR MONEY'S GONE

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Well chances are you're in the minority then as most people probably don't want to see the price on games to up higher

BE BIPOLAR
ME POLARITY LEFT
YOU POLARITY RIGHT
BAD YOU ME GOOD
NO!
ME GOOD YOU BAD

That's not my problem, games should be smaller anyways, and made for people who actually make videogames.

>made for people who actually make videogames
That's fucking stupid

YOU SOMEWHERE IN MIDDLE?
YOU CHOOSE NOW OR YOU DIE
YOU NO LEAVE YOU CHOOSE

>made for people who actually make videogames.
God fucking no.

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are both of those guns FAMAS

Question to everybody in this thread: So you don't like lootboxes right? You don't think kids should be opening up boxes for an uncertain reward? Why aren't you trying to get Christmas and Christmas presents banned then?

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>libertarians are lolbertarians

But they won't. The games aren't $60 and loaded with lootboxes and DLC because they have to be. They are because that's what the audience puts-up with.

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I ask what people want for their birthdays or holidays. Nothing worse than being a cuck faggot who buys a assumptious lame gift.

>Question to everybody in this thread: So you don't like lootboxes right? You don't think kids should be opening up boxes for an uncertain reward? Why aren't you trying to get Christmas and Christmas presents banned then?

Because kids don't spend money on random Christmas presents for fucks sake.

I don't celebrate christmas or birthdays, I don't have kids tho.

Most of these holidays are just corporations trying to sell shit to you.

>implying I don't

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>lootbox preys on kids
Well yeah, sure but as much as people don't like to think about it, the real targets are adults with credit cards and no impulse control, depressed, easily exploitable adults that would otherwise join a cult or fall for some marketing scheme.
But who would want to protect irresponsible adults from themselves? Yeah, protect the children and shit.

Is this post a falseflag to make frogposters look even more retarded than they actually are?

those lawyers like the Carrie seen here need to get a bullet
Not in the face, just the legs
Forcing them to use a wheelchair will make a good example of them

to elaborate
scummy lawyers need to be subject to violence, recorded on HD video, so that others can see and understand some bullshit is not acceptable
violence is ok against lawyers or bullshit advocates like carrie

It's not a wheelchair, it's an advanced transportation device

I kinda agree that suprise eggs work in the same concept. Kids who buy those can actually buy actual chocolate for much cheaper for bigger size but buy those for the toy aspect. Then the what is it gonna be aspect when opening the egg inside is basically a loot box. You know you are gonna get something but it might be a shitty toy or something really cool. The chocolate is just a bonus. Dunno, they feel the same to me but at least surprise eggs are physical things.

Fuck loot boxes btw.

Because I, an autonomous adult, am aware of what my child will be opening on Christmas. Christmas is a once-a-year event that adults sink money into for their children's sake, and lootboxes are a 24/7 blinking neon sign, built to attract children and those who are vulnerable to gambling. They are not dumping money into my pocket and receiving shitty presents, and then being lead to believe that giving me more money will increase their likelihood of getting a good gift (even though it doesn't).

Gambling is perfectly permissible legally speaking, but at least untie your snake tongues and be honest about how big of a moral blight they are.

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>rebranding lootboxes
silly EA
its still illegal

What does she even mean?
>We call them surprise mechanics!
Except you don't know and this is the first time you've used that term. You literally don't need to look further back than Fallen Order twitter feeds when they bragged about no loot boxes.

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You realize it's illegal for kids to be at casinos right

>equivalent of wilfully inviting bloodthirsty gangs into your community
This is why you cannot ban guns.

Just like loot boxes.

Part of the reason we even have governments in the first place is because humans evolved as social animals that need some sort of alpha to direct the herd. Most people are retards who either need protection from their own poor impulses, or everyone else needs protection from their retardation. The whole lootbox/gambling thing takes advantage of human brain chemistry to addict people to antisocial and self-destructive behavior the same way porn does, which is why it should all be banned. China is unironically based in this regard.

they're trying to rebrand lootboxes

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it doesnt matter youre buying gems for their marketplace regardless

From someone who deals with criminals: It's more likely not a single shred of emotion crossed the thief's mind. The bike was probably dumped somewhere shortly after.

Yes goy

That or it was sold/pawned off to fund the thief's drug addiction.

Don't tell me what to do

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No. I already sat through games going from $50 to $60 and I'm not doing that again.

Nice semen jar you got there.

thanks. your mom collected it all for me.

Any of you ninnies gonna shot already or what?

Must have been hard digging her up everytime you needed a fap.

No, most games are already way overpriced, especially at release.

Lol surprise!

It's about to be you here soon

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Surprise Jedi Knight install

That was mostly inflation rearing it's ugly head. A new $40 PS1 game was the same price of a new $60 game in today's money, it used to be a lot more expensive earlier, like in the $60+ range which is ~$80-90+ today.

Cigarette is such an ugly word. They're big boy breathing sticks, and in fact giving them to kids is quite ethical.

If a spend money on something, the product I get better not be a fucking surprise.

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Jim Sterling shot this argument down a million times, if the game industry though it could get away with charging more then $60, they'd be doing it already.

How can a company clearly and openly despise their consumers so greatly yet still sell games?

No, but I'd be willing for publishers to spend less on graphics.

If it’s RNG based with duplicates, it’s a fucking loot box

Let's get him user

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>surprise mechanics
wtf i love gambling as a 2 year old with my parents credit card now

Funny thing is if EA wasn't completely retarded they could've just stopped with the loot-boxes for a year and returned to it later discreetly, Instead they attempt to use every loophole they can and antagonize the powers that be into taking action against them.

user...

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what's unethical about them? Only retards buy them anyway, and it's not like they're hidden ingame; I can just look up if a game as lootboxes before buying it (or they could indicate it on the box/store page). Only people that could be affected by those are pre-ordering retards, and I'm fine with them being scammed.

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People who don't want lootboxes to go away are mad about that too.

>Its not pirating, its a "surprise discount."

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Yes, the government isn't your fucking kids' parent

I'm not buying another EA title. I don't care if it sounds cool or not. Fuck this company my thousand hour backlog will take over.

They're literally the best selling games year after year

I'm talking about how PC games costed $50 until the mid/late 2000s. The only reason console games costed more was of shipping and material costs.

they have nothing to lose (people still buy their sports game every year and their other AAA games aren't that profitable without lootboxes) and everything to gain from it

>what's unethical about them?
>retards deserve to be scammed

great ethics there.

this plus fortnight. not even joking

based and surprisepilled

That's the funniest thing I've read all week.

Scamming retards is generally considered to be unethical.

So you're saying we should abolish child labor laws and underage gambling/drinking laws

I mean it's a scam in itself like everything involving payment for a chance of getting something, but they're isn't anything strictly unethical about them

None.

>and everything to gain from it
Evidently not if they're arguing in front of multiple world governments for it. Even if this round of legislation doesn't pass, the issue is never going to go away now.

>everyone defending lootboxes

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see the history of cinema industry government regulation is a must need for a healthy market

no but they shouldn't be needed. What do I care if kids are getting drunk or gambling, they're not mine.

Sure and there isn't anything strictly unethical about ponzi schemes either.

>jews ruin the family system, distancing children from their parents
>parents are less likely to teach or discipline their children
>jews install nigger culture into the minds of children
>children are more likely to steal their parents money to buy from jews
>mean ol government is getting in the way of their master plans
Please, won't someone think of the megacorperations? (but don't tax us you silly goys)

Underrated post.

the only possible downside they could get from those hearings is bad publicity, and as I said retards still buy their games even though they've been doing shady shit for 25 years.

Sometimes I forget just how far gone gun nuts actually are then someone comes and posts lunacy like this to remind me.

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>no but yes we should abolish them

No there isn't. Otherwise everything is unethical; taxes, law, etc...

Not only does the proposed lootbox bill not give a fuck what you call them, they don't even care if you claim that they're "for adults only". If kids are a major part of your market, you're getting your asshole reamed.

So you want to legalize ponzi schemes? Good to know.

most retard post ever seen in my life

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I'm not even American but how is he wrong?

>If kids are a major part of your market, you're getting your asshole reamed.

I'm surprised Activision hasn't joined in to defend CoD.

Um, Hillary (the one true queen) said so. Hello?

Ahhhhhh well that was wonderful, a good trial was had by all. I'm pooped.

I just know I'd never get affected by those schemes being legal because I'm not a retard.

Is surprise buttsecks about to make a comeback?

>the only possible downside they could get from those hearings is bad publicity
Or you know, have their business model become regulated if not outright banned by those governments, like we saw in Belgium. Retards might still buy their games but a lot of their current market value is based off their sales of lootboxes in those games, so they do in fact have something to lose here (otherwise why bother even hiring lobbyists to defend themselves)

I'm assuming that Activision's legal team isn't quite as braindead as EA's. Probably just waiting to see how this unfolds.

>scamming people should be legal as long as it doesn't affect me personally
>I'm not a retard
lol

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>Don't mind me, just surprise-downloading all these games ;)

I hope every big companies team of laywer's are phoning EA and calling them a bunch of retards.

>furaffinity

Simply ebin

Sometimes it's really hard to understand how they come up with shit like this and thought it'd work.

Then you wouldn't have gotten it anyway even if you bought a meal.

Yes, I suppose that GOOD SWEET MADDEN WHAT IS GOING ON IN THERE?!

The initial argument was why don't they back up for a while with the lootbox stuff. I'm just saying they have every reason to fight to preserve their business model.
>I care about other people even though their lives have no influence on mine
>"you're the retard"

>helicopter moms and dads who beat their kids to make sure they 100% won't steal their credit card for petty shit are real and good, actually

>allowing people to be scammed totally won't affect me
>no I'm not the retard

It is unironic, the artist got butthurt about it too.

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Yeah but if I can't argue about nanny governments affecting videogames, what else can I do to epic pwn the libtards? People defending lootboxes are either a) literally just that fucking stupid, which is possible. Keep in mind this board is mainly american after all. Or b) just being contrarian for the hell of it. I refuse to people anyone of average intelligence actually believes lootboxes are a good thing.

And I am telling you that by not restraining themselves they are actively endangering their business model

What if he's just planning to shoot them next?

Corporate execs seem to be retarded birds at times.

But doesn't he know that the internet is more happy to mock him than he is butthurt to be mocked?

I'm guessing they read these Yea Forums threads and pick up the arguments lootbox apologists use here.

Too all the lootbox defenders and supposed "small government" types ITT, EA isn't going to hire you.

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No because he's retarded.
At least the art it inspired was fun.

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>EA is literally just Yea Forumsyards trying to act like they understand the law
Suddenly it all makes sense.

>guns bad but lootboxes good

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Well they won't steal their credit card so that's a win. If you don't commit crime simply because it's illegal then why should I care if you get scammed?

for instance?
fair enough but the investors probably don't agree with you

>we need to ban automatic weapons, you can keep your semi-automatics though
20 years later
>we need to ban semi-automatic weapons, you can keep your shotguns and pistols though
Hmmm I wonder how this trend will continue.

Investors only care about short-term gains, of course they're going to push for lootboxes as hard as possible. They don't care about long-term losses and they have no actual stake in the product beyond the investments they can easily sell of if lootboxes no longer become viable in the future.

never thought I'd see one of these in 2019 but here we are

Yeah, it's been going that way since the 1934 National Firearms Act banned scary "gangster" guns for anyone who couldn't afford to pay a $200 tax on each item, which would have been almost $4k in today's money.

Holy shit I just realized that it was argued as such in a parliment hearing by professionals. That just made this a lot more hilarious.

Thought it was some intern mis-tweeting again or something.

>All those tweets making fun of them.
Heh

There's a really answer for that question - the industrial revolution. The Founding Fathers didn't anticipate the insane amount of power business owners would gain in the late 19th century, it went beyond rewarding the "winner" and to the point where entire fucking towns were employed by one guy using every dirty trick in the book to make his workers heel and to snuff out any competition. To the point where workers weren't even paid actual money, but credit to use in company stores where they'd get into more debt because they had to buy their own supplies, too. It was bad.

After the Great Depression, people realized that it wasn't all bad for the government to be SOMEWHAT involved, the government could actually help instead of hinder. That's why things like Social Security and the Federal Deposit Insurance Company (FDIC) were made. The FDIC in particular so you're not fucked if your local bank acts stupid and becomes insolvent, you can get your money back.

Why are you so afraid of people being able to enter into contracts without the state supervision? The entire argument of labor laws is based on the idea that everyone but the politicians are dumb and incapable of thinking what better for themselves

If you’re getting “underpaid” with credit instead of money, that means you would be getting paid more somewhere else. So quit and go there.

Most people who complain about being underpaid are using skills that aren’t in demand, that’s why the pay isn’t high.

It’s the employer’s right to pay you whatever they want and it’s your right to look for a job that pays more.

If you’re really a valued employee, it will show in your paycheck. Even if you have to quit and find a boss who values you.

You're right except Social Security is a Ponzi scheme on the verge of collapse.

For anyone who wants to watch in real time
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>it's not murder, it's ending someone's life
>it's not theft, it's borrowing something and forgetting to return it

>Social Security is a Ponzi scheme
what

>Its an Ancap thinks he has the solution to everything and the NAP will solve all problems episode
>Its another Ancap who thinks only the government is predatory and doesn't realize the only difference between the government and corporations is one has more guns

Its literally true. It requires the workforce to get larger and larger to support people who are living longer and longer which keeps repeating.

Part of all the crazy importing of immigrants aside from the whole turning the voting pool blue is actually just to support social security. It only works if you have more and more people working.

>It's another the socialist babies using every logical fallacy and denying any sort of logical rebuttal or flat out ignoring arguments to defend daddy government

But illegals don't pay into social security

Ok, yes, you are correct in principle, but in the real world, it's not so easy for a 40-year-old man with a wife and three kids to just learn an entirely new skill, pack up his entire life, and move across the country for another job that may pay slightly better because his old job was undercut from him by a third-world imported worker.

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>sensible systems like CSGO and TF2
The EU targets those BECAUSE you can trade them.

That's a nice thought, but again, this is the 19th century, most people never moved more than 100 miles from where they lived after they were born. And even less had the means to make a big move. And even when they did move, like many farmers did during the Dust Bowl to places like California, they were rejected and scorned because people didn't want them to swarm in and take their jobs. Hell there are immigrants doing that now that aren't just dealing with hard times and unemployment, but drug gangs trying to kidnap their kids for ransom money or skin them alive and then decapitate them. It sucks that there's more illegal immigration (but still not nearly as much as there is legal immigration), but I can understand why.

Social Security only makes up 5% of our GDP, and in fifteen years it's projected to only go up to 6%. The sky ain't fallin.

They do if they get jobs using stolen Social Security numbers. They also actually receive more in welfare and other gibsmedats like WIC than they contribute.

>its another Ancap who thinks everyone to the left of him is a socialist and claims everything is a logical fallacy when literally nobody has been able to support or make any reasonable arguments for Anarcho-Capitalism since its inception as a concept other than GOVERNMENT BAD PEOPLE FOLLOW NAP GOOD

Real talk. The government can't be trusted and is prone to overreaching. You are a fucking moron if you think that without them companies wouldn't be have their own hit squads to literally kill the competition and use your children for easy and forced labor. Government bad but corporations worse.

Nothing is going to happen to lootboxes. Why? Because I just bought 50k FIFA Points for my Ultimate Team. Fuck you and fuck regulatory bodies trying to ruin vidya.

Yeah, we should just go full-ancap while we're at it.

>COMPANY BECOMES MONOPOLY AND EXPLOITS THE CONSUMER OR THE WORKER
>everyone stops purchasing their products and promotes alternatives via the means of money
>monopoly fails

0 regulations and a conscious consumer is how you counter an abusive monopoly, a retarded consumer market that constantly relys on a inherently corrupt political system is how monopolies thrive because government is always in bed with business and government regulation stops alternatives from growing when the consumer does become conscious. Companies don't have a monopoly on force like the government does.

Their children do and the places they work for still pay into it.

No you didn't.

except that in that imaginary world the bigger company would just hire mercenaries to kill or destroy competition.

Serious answer: the AWB did nothing to ban effective weapons. It covered shit like bayonet lugs and barrel shrouds (infamously the "thing that goes up"), which are features that do nothing about the killing potential of weapons (unless you believe getting stabbed by a bayonet is a serious concern). So he was initially right that they do nothing to stop murders (since equally effective weapons are still on the market), but his assertion that it would prevent people from rising up against the government is wrong BECAUSE of this initial statement (as equally effective weapons are still available).

This of course doesn't even take into account you'll need more than ARs to fight the government, it takes a concentrated propaganda campaign to convert significant portions of the population, particularly police and military (who would bring their own toys that would actually be effective in open warfare), less you be branded a terrorist traitor and easily crushed while an indifferent citizenry looks on.

They're effectively the same as regular citizens then in this context. You don't collect SS benefits if you don't pay into it

The government uses its monopoly on force and forces its citizens to integrate with immigrants. In a libertarian order, borders are decided by property owners. States have used their monopoly on force to suppress. Read Lew H. Rockwell or Hans Herman Hoppe.
lewrockwell.com/2015/11/lew-rockwell/open-borders-assault-private-property/

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Then the company takes legal and violent action to discourage the use of alternatives. Also, a republic is accountable to the people, a corporation isn't. Corporations are like empires without borders, they can go where they need to without having to answer to anyone but investors, and there will always be investors who only care about profit no matter what the consequences are, unless they're lied to about how much money they'll be making or losing.

Social security theft and illegals taking advantage welfare pale in comparision to corporate welfare abuses.

>COMPANY BECOMES MONOPOLY AND EXPLOITS THE CONSUMER OR THE WORKER
Nigger that isn't even true FUCKING TODAY.

You are just delusional. You think every failure of capitalism is because of the government when its just inherent to people. Capitalism is literally the best economic system but its still ran by humans.

And by the way without the government having a monopoly on force someone else eventually will. Its literally how humans work. You are railing against the government like its some weird thing that is strangling the life out of people when its what is formed every single fucking time a group creates a monopoly of force and shared needs.

You people are just stupid. The biggest flaw is that Ancaps seem to think that humans are perfect and the markets are perfect and efficient when neither is true and the current systems are the result of that.

We don't need people to be accountable for others decisions. Even if corporations did, which is unlikely since as Google for example is offering maternity leaves out of his own pocket, you still would have middle and low value business to work for. And finally unsavoury child labor would be banned eventually without state influence.

god i fucking hope EA dies off because of banning lootboxes
fuck EA, they deserve to be destroyed
same with every other corporation thats added this horseshit to their games

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It's not an "flaw", it's an absolute fact. Regulatory agencies get bought out by corporations and are used to benefit corporations at the expense of the public. "Perfect and efficient" in the context of economics just refers to people make purposeful decisions, they don't have to be the correct decisions.

stop moving the goalpost first, you didn't respond to my point.

>In a libertarian order, borders are decided by property owners
Borders are decided by the people who managed to gain enough force behind them. This is fucking nonsense idealist drivel. You only own property by virtue of being able to hold it in a libertarian society. Does human history not exist to you?

>0 regulations and a conscious consumer is how you counter an abusive monopoly,
We are experiencing this whole thing in real time right now where the big tech corporations have formed a cartel to ruin the lives of people who have different political views than them. The "conscious consumer" doesn't really mean diddly squat in most cases, because the average person won't care enough to boycott an unethical corporation if their products are cheap enough and of good quality.

Literally best girl

This but unironically.

>he actually thinks fucking gunnuts can resist THE GOVERNMENT

hahaha remember those niggas who tried to fight the FBI up north in the """"disputed land""""? how did that end again? oh yeah, one got shot dead and the others gave up. Cope.

I bet you tought you were real clever

Unions are a labor cartel that arbitrarily increase the prices of labor and destroy competition. Your entire argument of is based on the idea that everyone but the politicians are dumb and incapable of thinking what better for themselves and need to be coddled.

But if a company goes public, then that means that technically, the investors have the most power. They can oust board members of a company or put pressure on them to fire an incompetent CEO or to disapprove of the company's direction. Especially if there's an unnecessary cost that's damaging the environment or brutally exploiting third world countries. Your argument's like a parent saying

>"Why do I have to be accountable for my kid? So what if he threw another kid over the railing and killed him?"

It makes no sense to not prevent certain tragedy if you have the power to. In a perfect capitalist world, any and ALL investors would have that perfect conscience to call out bad corporate behavior and keep punishing those companies until the right people are in place to do the right thing. But that's clearly not the case.

>the AWB did nothing to ban effective weapons. It covered shit like bayonet lugs and barrel shrouds (infamously the "thing that goes up"), which are features that do nothing about the killing potential of weapons (unless you believe getting stabbed by a bayonet is a serious concern).
That was just supposed to be the first step. When those bans didn't work, and retards inevitably started clamoring for more gun control, the politicians would move on to calling any semi-automatic firearm an "assault weapon" like they are doing now. Actually, the first "assault weapons ban" was the 1934 National Firearms Act, which was specifically written in order to keep the underclasses and poor people from owning certain weapons under the guise of banning "gangster" guns.

You don't need a state to enforce private property.

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This
It's like you mutts forgot how to revolt after the first one

>corporate welfare abuses
Please explain what you mean by this, or I'm going to assume you're conflating tax breaks with welfare.

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american kids have to buy their own presents?

Borders would be privately enforced, that is completely consistent with libertarianism. Have fun with your neoliberal statism that allows an infinite amount of immigrants to destroy your country.

Explain why companies getting billions in subsidaries, tax breaks and bailouts isn't gibsmedats.

you're not responding to any points, you just keep movin goalposts.

Hey I'm one of those dumb adults. I used to have a job and every time payday would roll around I would go to the casino for 12 hours and blow all my rent and food money on blackjack. Now I don't have a job so I no longer feel the stress of gambling.

Owning a gun means I won't get arrested for posting nigger or saying that Hitler did nothing wrong on Yea Forums.

The goalposts have not moved and I am directly addressing your points.

Even if any anti-lootbox bill passes what replaces them will been worse. Anyone that thinks otherwise is dumber than the retards who already buy their games.

You're going to assume that anyway because you love corporations more than anything or anyone on this planet

Then the outrage machine will work on getting that banned.

And what do you think will replace lootboxes if that happens? I'm curious to know.

A tax break is completely different from a bailout, though. It's letting the corporation keep more of the money they earned rather than giving them money stolen from the taxpaying citizens. I'm not an Ancap corporate cocksucker, but let's be real here.

This is as solid of an argument as "someone got shot, ban all guns". A company was run by douchebags and then collapsed. What justification does that give to change over to a form of economic control that has collapsed 100% of the time it's been implemented?

>Germany has a near perfect 1:1 ratio
This pleases my autism for some reason

>It's letting the corporation keep more of the money they earned
Who do you think makes up the difference

If you're not an ancap you support total communism.

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It was really, really bad in the beginning. The OP with the -600k comment was complaining about how he had to spend $80 to unlock Darth Vader, on top of a $60 game.

>Sure but it doesn't work because x
>BUTWHATABOUTISM!!!!11!!!!
fuck off retard

To prevent it from happening again. That's why a lot of rules were put in place after the '29 stock market crash.

>no intelligent rebuttal or evidence for his baseless claims
What happened poindexter? Too much work for your enlightened mind?

I didn't say that at all, but ok.
I'm not denying that the government can do good, I'm saying the cons outweigh the pros. For every good piece of legislation you'll probably end up with 5 policies that don't solve the problem, amplify the problem, or exist to prop up oligopolies. Big pharma exists because they use their influence to get favors from the government, this cannot happen if the government did not have the power to grant subsidies in the first place. The FDA has admitted to killing hundreds of thousands of people. That wasn't the free market.
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You aren't responding to anything, so I'm not going to waste my time getting angry at some tard

This.

>It's not murder! It's PVP!

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The only game Yea Forums has ever loved

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you're cute, I see you have no way to rebuke my tiresome patterns of liberals and your ways to squirm out of tough concrete data

It’s the same philosophy. Workers demanding to choose their pay rate instead of letting the economy decide how much their time is worth.

Maybe we should just end humanity and let a new species that actually has a modicum of empathy in take over the civilized species spot.

>What good games is horse armor even in?
t. you in 2006

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They'll find something, they always do. Get enough desperate suits together and they'll risk it all just to get the cashflow going again.

Yeah, the government certainly has its issues, but compared to a business, it's easier to hold the government accountable. Unfortunately, just as there isn't perfect capitalism, there isn't a perfect democracy either, so you got a lot a people pickin their noses instead of being driven to action to make a change, or at the very least turn out to fucking vote. Generally, congress doesn't sit around, get bored and then start making rules just because. People have to yell at them to get something done. See: Abolitionists, Suffragists, Civil Rights, etc. Lobbying is okay! And so are states rights.

To prevent abuse in lobbying where corporations have a huge advantage in gaining access to politicians, there's been proposals to have publicly-funded elections. Basically, politicians wouldn't have to waste so much time (usually four hours a day) drumming up more money for their next campaign, they can actually focus on their work. And it wouldn't even be that expensive, projections have it so that each household would only have to pay ten lousy bucks to make it work.

The government didn't try to make new laws in 2008-09 just cause, they did it because there was a recession. They had to step in because there was considerable damage to the US economy.

Even if any anti-fraud bill passes what replaces them will been worse. Anyone that thinks otherwise is dumber than the retards who already buy their games.

nigger you paid for your christmas presents?
what kind of shit parents raised you?

dont work for them then and go work somewhere else

oh wait the unions drove out all the jobs from the country so youre not stuck under the unions thumb, what a fantastic death-trap

maybe don't have kids if you're not a 100% sure about your financial capacity to providing to them

>When those bans didn't work, and retards inevitably started clamoring for more gun control, the politicians would move on to calling any semi-automatic firearm an "assault weapon" like they are doing now.

And yet historically the AWB was sunset repealed with no new regulation. The slippery slope has failed to gain traction on a federal level (California not included because California is special case of stupid), which is why it's considered a fallacy (because it's entirely possible to halt and even reverse, thus giving them an inch can just be an inch and not a mile).

And I am very aware of the NFA, which was perhaps the only actually effective gun legislation put out. It actively regulated full auto weapons, which actual gangsters (no air quotes needed) were purchasing in bulk to fight each other and the police (who at this point were hilariously underpowered). It also set standards for concealable weapons, the sort of things that are actively used in crimes. It's effectiveness is why it's never been sunset, and why nobody has actively campaigned for it's removal (not even the National "SHALL NOT INFRINGE" Rifle Association).

but muh white genocide

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I'd love for them to bring up gacha games to congress, only for lawmakers to ask "Are these marketed to children" when they seem swimsuit anime girls.

Economy isn't sentient, it doesn't decide anything, you fucking zealot. Your employer does, and they're not an omniscient being, they're a person out to make some profit.

>but compared to a business, it's easier to hold the government accountable.
The exact opposite is true. You can vote with your wallet if you don't like a business and nobody forces you to work for them. You can't hold the government accountable.

Man, Jim Sterling is a mystery to me. When it comes to consumer rights like this, I'm with him. But then he acts like Steam letting customers choose what they want is a travesty.

Have to be 35 to run for president in US, she can do so in 2028.

>a new species that actually has a modicum of empathy
You got any candidates? We already know that all primates, dolphins, whales, and all other semi-intelligent species are complete dicks that could teach us a thing or two about war crimes.

If it wasn't the unions it'd be the government, if not the government it'd be foreign governments willing to accept bribes and subsidize this stuff. I know there's a lot of variables to this but you shouldn't be angry at people who actually took action to be paid enough so they can sustain themselves.

>you can't hold the government accountable
Hey stupid, not everyone's wallet's the same size. But everyone that's a citizen can vote. Holy shit, man.

Profit is the root of all evil.

It’s the employer’s right to pay you whatever they want and it’s your right to look for a job that pays more. You decide how much your labor is worth. That doesn't mean other people will agree with what you think is fair. You have to increase the value of your labor if you want people to value it more.

Lots of companies are lacking labor. There are also markets too that the prospect of growth is unlimited, you should consider that before making such statements. Also What physically stops you from using your labor without selling it to someone else?

For example, consider companies hiring illegals for low skilled work. You will probably say "they want to profit more", which is true, but they wouldn't bother to do so if they had cheap labor here. If you believe your labor is worth more, just ask for more.
>b-but they won't give me
Then I guess they don't really agree with your statement. Therefore you need to convince them your labor is worth more. Why does the thought of making yourself look desire makes you angry?

>If you can't predict at least that you WILL 100% have max finaltial stability, you can't have kids

Robots.

>have loving wife and kids
>provide them with an adequate life by working hard
>suddenly get cancer
>can't work anymore
>medical bills piling up
>Ancap retard: YOUR KIDS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN BORN YOU DIRTY POORFAG

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>Your employer does, and they're not an omniscient being, they're a person out to make some profit.
Of course, As anyone would.
People made a business. They wanted to increase their profit. They asked you to help make them, as opposed to sitting on the sidewalk starving. McDonald's could be a guy in a single house making burgers and selling them one at a time. He'd be making a profit; you'd be on the sidewalk starving. You have no right to anything.
>Hey stupid, not everyone's wallet's the same size
Yeah, and? I'm more interested in an oil tycoon's opinion than a beggar's. The oil tycoon is a lot more valuable. The beggar is...nothing. He could not exist for all I care.

You're living in a world that has collectively decided that money directly correlates with your success as a person. What does that make you then?

that was his point you retarded cocksucker

Healthcare isnt a human right. You have no right to medicine or treatment . If you want medical care get a job

>And yet historically the AWB was sunset repealed with no new regulation.
The sunset was written into the original AWB in order as a compromise. It wasn't renewed because the Democrats lost big after implementing it due to pissing off the average gun owning public so much.
>It's effectiveness is why it's never been sunset, and why nobody has actively campaigned for it's removal (not even the National "SHALL NOT INFRINGE" Rifle Association).
The NRA is just a money-laundering organization. The NFA is only effective at infringing on the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans.

A someone that can't escape an evil world.

I live off crypto investments so I'm a highly successful and valuable person

>missing the point

Is life an human right? No? Then I can just murder you and take your consoles.

That and the fact that we're dealing with a massive shift in urbanization. Families needed to have a lot of kids in the past because

>1) in the 19th century, your kid had like a 1 in 3 chance of makin it to adulthood, and
>2) most families lived in rural areas, which means farmin, which means you need all the help you can get

But now that's completely changed. Less people than ever grow all the food for everyone, more than half of all US citizens now live in suburban/urban areas, and raising children is more expensive than ever (vaccinations, having to buy clothes, other expenses).

>I'm more interested in
Well maybe you are, but I hate to break it to you that this is a democratic republic and it'll be maintained that all people are equal in the eyes of the documents we refer to.

Jokes on you I don't have any consoles.
. virtually no modern economist takes marx theories seriously. be it keynesians or austrian school
LTV is the flat earth of economics.

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Hypocrite that you are, you're going to allow robots made by humans to tell you what's right or wrong?

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see

It's not piracy, it's an "extended demo to see if my PC can run the game". It's "quite ethical":

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>>everyone stops purchasing their products and promotes alternatives via the means of money
id really love to live in this fantasy world where Unilever, Comcast,Coca Cola and other monopolies where eradicated

Commie logic:
I dont pay for the warehouse
I didnt pay for the machinery
I didnt pay for the materials
I dont pay for the shipping and packaging
I dont pay for the utilities of the warehouse
I dont pay for the other workers to work here
I didnt put my money on the line at the early stages of the business
But I deserve every cent that is made

A rose by any other name...

Okay user, suppose that there isn't a state to put regulations and screw lower tier competition. Suppose you are a mining company and you want to make a monopoly in coal. So you go and buy a coal mine. Then another. Then another. You really believe the owners of coal mines don't see what you are doing? The next owner would simply ask more. The next owner more and the next one more. Even if you somehow had unlimited money to do so, which is completely impossible btw, nothing would stop coal from falling into disuse when another company found a more efficient way to use a replacement.
Second, suppose you sucessfully made a monopoly of cars. You brought all the car companies in the world. If you decided to just increase the price and fuck over customers all over the world, it would result in another company switching to cars and providing better conditions or an alternate way of transportation. You cannot have true monopolies without the state forcing the competition to close out or using regulations to cripple them.

Digital Kinder Eggs.

*Constitutional Republic
There's a difference, don't @ me.

Why not both?

Those kids 'surprise' toys like kinder and LOL and whatever else are gambling too you gay ass niggerfaggots. I still can't believe they sell those. 8 random cheap plastic mcdonalds toys for $24.99 thank you gullible adult