Been playing the shit out of this, what are the odds the second one will be good as well?

>this game is not focused on combat
But it has lengthy combat sections though. And the level design doesn’t make stealth any viable.

damn

You could clearly talk your way past the drug dealers.

If it's combat won't be absolutely broken and story good it will be a solid 8/10 just like the first game.
First one would be a solid 10/10 if not for the combat.

I want this game to be good - mostly because it's a VtM game and we don't have a lot of those. But it's gonna be based off of shitty V5 that unironically uses the words "white cishet male", the gameplay looks wonky as fuck and the writing teams resume (or lack therof) does not instill any confidence in me)
Elif is cute though. Not VV level, but hey, it's 2019 and pretty girls are verboten.

Like 1/4 or 1/3 of the game is pure combat, those parts are also considered to be the shittiest ones in the game.

I'd always heard it was considered flawed but good so I assume the meh combat and questionable stealth routes were what people were referring to. I was really impressed by the game though as I've been marathoning it and haven't gotten bored at all, are there any games similar to it you'd recommend?

It's gonna be shit. Werewolf the Apocalypse is gonna be good tho.

Stealth is viable for most part, especially if you have obfuscate

wasnt it confirmed action game and not RPG

I keep seeing this posted, but the guy literally has his crosshair off her head every single time he pulls the trigger

I think there's a decent chance that it's OK.

I don't think there's much chance that it's any better than just OK.

Yeah, you can see bullets hitting the walls behind the target. Either the hitbox collisions are fucked or whoever is playing this game is so shit that even Kotaku would be embarrased by it.

Werewolf: The Apocalypse: Earthblood (the full title) legit has an infinitely better chance of not sucking than VTMB2 does. It's a shame no one's talking about it.

95% in my opinion. Everything really rides on how good the story is in my opinion.

>pre-alpha build
>hair cross not even on head

lmao nice try

The story in the original isn't anywhere near as important as the NPC interaction, voice acting, role-playing, side quests, or atmosphere. And you know damn well most of those are going to be mediocre in the sequel.

It`s going to be good but first people are going to bash the living shit of vtmb 2 than after years say it was a great game like the first one

Shame their last attempt went nowhere.

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You're delusional. The new one has issues far beyond any problems that existed with the original.

>ASS games

This. I love the first one. One of my top five games and I first played it a year ago but people suddenly have forgotten how bad and unfinished it was. Also this game is being made by practically the same people without the cord being pulled on them this time so why would it be bad? Everything that made me worried when they first announced it (starting as a thin blood for example) I’m now cool with after hearing more. I honestly think this game will blow the first one out of the water in every aspect. Only thing I could see it not doing well in is perhaps music because of current era not having good numetal/goth music.

50/50, it either will or it won't.

that's just a bullshit term they use to deflect criticism. it's been in development for years and is supposed to release in 8~ months, it's not pre-alpha.

>but people suddenly have forgotten how bad and unfinished it was.
The original bugginess doesn't matter anymore with fan patches, and there are only a few parts that were unfinished and combat heavy. People exaggerate by saying it's 1/3 or 1/2 of the game being an unfinished combat gauntlet. And it's not that anyone forgets about its problems but they seem so minor compared to how good the rest of the game is.

it was almost unplayable on release. But with unofficial patch it is A LOT better

Good? High. Combat might end up sucking but that never stopped VTMB from being considered fantastic. The same lead writer from before is on board and in a recent interview actually mentioned how he didn't like that VTMB was fairly linear in its story choices (Anarchs good, Camarilla bad), and has said that Bloodlines 2 will give you more freedom, like making all clans equally viable to side with, where your relationships with one will damage your relationship with another and affect certain interactions, quests etc.

So assuming the lead writer hasn't lost his magic, I assume Bloodlines 2 could have similar writing quality as Bloodlines 1, but give you even more choices for how the story can unfold. Will it be as good as Bloodlines 1? Unlikely? Will it be at least good? Probably.

>Also this game is being made by practically the same people without the cord being pulled on them this time so why would it be bad?
Isn't it just the original composer and only one of the writers? A lot of the original dev team isn't working on this one and even if they all were it's not a guarantee of success.

>The same lead writer from before is on board and in a recent interview actually mentioned how he didn't like that VTMB was fairly linear in its story choices (Anarchs good, Camarilla bad)
That's retarded. You still had multiple characters talking about how the Camarilla was good and the option to get rid of LaCroix while still siding with them. And the game also pushed you to just go independent and show how the extremism on all sides was bad.

the only places that were really combat heavy in this game were Hollywood sewers and 2 Kuey-Jin brothers at sarcophagus

Sabbat hotel and any of the ending levels too, although that makes sense since it wouldn't seem right to completely talk/stealth your way through that kind of thing

Still adds up the chances of it being actually good. One can be hopeful with VtMB2

Pretty much. The rest of the writers are a bunch of nobodies with some lacking resume and ties to Resetera. It is telling, that the very first thing they've announced is that you would be able to pick a pronoun of your PC this time around, even before we knew anything about the basic premise of that game.

Ok yeah I might have simplified it a bit at the end there, my bad. Still, Mitsoda straight up said how VTMB was kinda linear and Bloodlines 2 would give you more choice, so the fact that you pointed out how Bloodlines 1 gave even more choice than I thought is even better.

The most important aspect of original Masquerade that everybody forgets about is the atmosphere. If they nail it, nothing else matters

Don't mind me just posting worst faction

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I just saw one of the videos for the city hubs. It has soul and feels comfy. Bit of a cashgrab with day 1 episodes but I think it will deliver.

the independent ending final bosses really sucked ass as a guy who went mostly non-combat with just melee as a backup

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"Very strong characters, obviously that's one thing that people remember from the first game, and part of that is the choices that you can make with those characters and how your decisions can influence the story. For this one it's actually a lot more open than the first one - it was pretty linear, you were part of the Camarilla. In this one you've got multiple factions, you can piss them off, you can join different factions, you can switch it up. There's lots of characters where you can make decisions where they might not wanna work with you anymore, they may owe you something like we saw in the demo, so there's a lot more player choice about what they wanna do in the story."

>If they nail it
The club they showed had disco balls and neon lights which is lame. Face animations also aren't as good and that's part of the atmosphere by making talking to the characters more immersive.

The sex appeal and grunge atmosphere is completely gone by the looks of the second game's gameplay.
Which would have been fine if they replaced it with different but just as evocative and encompassing flavour, but it's hard to say if they have. Everything after 2000s are flavourless.

They won't lol
The developers have no fucking clue what made the original good

m.youtube.com/watch?v=YNFFhWagNvI

>and show how the extremism on all sides was bad.

The enlightened centrist has logged on

Aren't most of the people who did the story making the sequel? Why is everyone so pessimistic about it?

club Disco balls and colors were lame, I agree. But at the same time it is only 1 club out of who knows how many. I'm hopeful there will be more clubs and maybe even something like Confession from the original.
And facial animations could be fleshed out, they have time for this. We'll see what they have soon

You don't have to be a centrist to recognize the dangers of extremism, retard

Only Brian Mitsoda who joined the team from the first game a year into development when most of the story was allready hatched. Honestly don’t even know what exactly he wrote, but for some reason he gets a lot of credit.

Well they've got Rik Schaffer back as the composer and are even using some of his unused tracks from the first game so the music's gonna be great, and considering the devs are actually based in Seattle they can probably pull off or toy with its atmosphere pretty well.

>Honestly don’t even know what exactly he wrote
I wonder if he only did the writing for Romero and the TV news guy since he did voices for them

Ah yes, the extremist anarch position of "we don't want to be ruled by an aristocracy"

Rik Schaffer is a washed up hack who has made nothing but thrash with the exception of Bloodlines, and there's a reason those tracks were not used lmao.

What the fuck is this? Where's the industrial metal and goth rock?

Damsel was used to make fun of extremist communists

you need to be retarded brujah to support Anarchs in Kindred society

It's not a pre-alpha, it's beta. These terms have meanings and are thrown around fairly arbitrarily these days to cover up how fucking busted, rushed, and incomplete AAA games are.
Beta means the software is usable/playable but not in a completed state. Every modern game "beta" is either a server stress test or a literal demo, not an actual beta, very few games ever have public beta testing.
Alpha means the software is in a proof-of-concept stage where you can demonstrate how it is technically supposed to work when it's completed.
"Pre-alpha" doesn't mean anything and is total marketing bullshit; if that term were to be used properly it could only really describe having an engine and some assets ready and that's all.
t. software developer

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>gay disco music
>none of the other dancers start circling around the player to join in
what the fuck man

>there's a reason those tracks were not used lmao

Because they were alternative tracks and they had to choose one in the end? The unused Downtown alternative track was heard in the demo and most people agree it's actually better than the track used in the game.

Stealth is also janky tho, enemies can instantly spot you even when you're behind their backs.

$1.02

Damsel was used to showcase the wide range of political views that make up the anarchs - from communists(Damsel) to great depression socialists (Nines) to 90s conspiratorial types (Skelter) to bomb throwing anarchists (Jack) to "fuck you, I got mine" rich guys (Isaac). Skelter disagreeing with Damsel isn't proof of the game making some kind of grand anti-communist statement.

This user unironically wants to live under an opaque oligarchy that passes down laws and judgements from on high

>and there's a reason those tracks were not used lmao.
Rik himself said they just didn't fit anywhere into the game, not that they were bad. And some of what is considered "unused" actually was in the game, like a small section of Edward's Theme playing from a small radio in the hotel

I finished the game not too long ago for the first time and I loved it. It got bit linear towards the end which was bit disappointing. Mostly because the dull burnt buildings and waves of samey enemies was repetitive and relied mostly on bashing your way through, rather than using your wits and skills like in the early missions. I was also confused by the amount of #one purpose buildings" that only existed as setting for one side mission. For example the hotel in Hollywood that was literally a stairway and ONE apartment. It made no sense! Where are all the other apartments? It was really fun to sneak into that apartment and avoid the people inside in that one side quest.

>"we don't want to be ruled by an aristocracy"
And after that Nines Rodriguez became an aristocratic baron of LA in V5 canon. Go, anarchs.
In general Anarchs were always funny about how hypocritical they ware about Camarilla. They hate the ideas of Camarilla, up until shit hits the fan or is it is convinient for them not to hate those ideas.

>Skelter disagreeing with Damsel isn't proof of the game making some kind of grand anti-communist statement.
Damsel's communism comments were obviously tongue-in-cheek, and her saying communism will work for blood-drinking monsters isn't necessarily a positive thing either.

Damsel was literally meant to be the idealistic commie college kid.

Go back to work Rik

damsel was used to make fun of campus communists, not extremist communists
And not even campus communists broadly, but the stereotypical one that aggressively hands out fliers for the communist society and such.

I never read any v5 stuff so I can't talk about that - I can only talk about the game, and in game it's clear the anarchs are, by and large, seeking greater self governance and democracy.

You're right that she's portrayed as an idealist, but you're wrong in saying this is the game denouncing communism - I'd anything, it's denouncing Damsel's particular flawed understanding of communism. For example - how can there be common ownership of the means of production if vampires don't produce anything?

As an oldfag my understanding has always been a alpha wasnt even a tangible game. And a beta was something you could play, but was missing polish

>Plays out like a mystery
>Some can span multiple locations
>Have to put 2+2 together and figure it out yourself
>No hand holding

Serious, why don't they make games like this anymore? Or correct me if I'm wrong.

Look, Anarchs in VtM, be it old or new, were always presented as a joke that up until V5 nobody took seriously. And V5 only takes them seriously because apparently some writers have a boner for that faction. They were rebels without a cause whose only unifying goal was "we rebel against something". They never made any sense on the larger scope.

>I'd anything, it's denouncing Damsel's particular flawed understanding of communism.
And by proxy, it is denouncing the flawed understanding of communism as something good and noble adopted by American college kids. Because what Karol Marx wrote in his pamphlets has as much to do with reality as Plato's Utopia.
Because trust me, nobody in their right mind would support communism in its raw form. Unless you really think USSR or Cuba were a paradise to live in.

You guys are both thinking about it way too hard, Damsel being a spunky college commie stereotype is just her character. The game isn't making any real commentary on communism, it's only mentioned to give some characterization to someone who isn't particularly important anyway.

>I honestly think this game will blow the first one out of the water in every aspect.

Have you not seen the gameplay footage?

none

>Look, Anarchs in VtM, be it old or new, were always presented as a joke that up until V5 nobody took seriously.
This is objectively not true. They were always a weak and ephemeral faction, but they weren't a joke.

>And by proxy, it is denouncing the flawed understanding of communism as something good and noble adopted by American college kids.
No, it isn't. That's you projecting your beliefs on to the game. Damsel says "I'm a Communist," Skelter says "she reminded me of the hippies at first," and that's all the game has to say on communism.

>Yea Forums makes fun of the delusional fucked up retards who defended Anthem and Σοyfield Vagina on reddit
>meanwhile VTMB2 freaks are the resident delusional cucks denying the most damning evidence and spewing bullshit
>nobody bats an eye

Curiously, ever since the disastrous E3 demo dropped, VTMB2 thread circulation has fallen considerably since everyone but the most unhinged of fuckheads can see the writing on the wall
Enjoy your gender sliders, hope they were worth the 60$; someone's got to pay for the writing expertise of people such as Cara Ellison after all

>Damsel says "I'm a Communist,"
No, she talks about how it will "TOTALLY work for us vampires!!! Jeez it just makes sense!", you're completely missing the tone of her statements about it

At least it won't be any more on-the-nose political than the first game. First game I assume conservatives hate with a passion.

They still do, they're just not as popular. Outer Wilds was pretty fantastic and sounds a lot like what you've said. Unfortunately if you play PC it's Epic Store exclusive, but you can also get it via other means.

>First game I assume conservatives hate with a passion.
It allowed you to join Camarilla without a problem. And it portrayed Anarchs as a bunch of hypocriticial retards that only thrive because the leading prince is a moron. The minute the bigger thread shows up, they are absolutely willing to suck up to Camarilla. So that's that.

Damn, so you're telling me the charaxter who believes in a certain ideology also believes the ideology can work? Yeah I guess the gane was actually made by the last few members of the Iron Front, specifically to take down communism

> Outer Wilds
Is that game actually good? Thought it was just a meme due to the mix up.

It's been heavily shilled since it was anounced and every concern was brushed aside with >w-wait until we see gameplay
I think most of the shills/delusional retards left after the pre-alpha narrative falled to stick lol

>in game it's clear the anarchs are, by and large, seeking greater self governance and democracy.
No they aren't. The ones in Downtown have their own system and if you don't want to be part of it they absolutely have a problem with you. If you decide to join the Camarilla of your own free will they think you're an enemy. The ones in Hollywood are even worse since they have the typical vampire thing where Isaac is the boss and everyone in the area must serve him. He demands tribute and you must pay it. They're not as bad as the Camarilla but they're still shit.

It's fucking great, best indie game of the year to me so far. I feel bad for the devs since it got so overshadowed by the name mix-up and the Epic Store bullshit. If it didn't have those things people would be talking about it a lot more.

I kinda like that 80% of PC responses to Damsel are something along the lines "your crap is retarded. And you are retarded as well". I don't think there is an option for you to actually agree with Damsel. She's just a fiendly neighbourhood retard that everybody keeps indulging.

The sequel will be pure garbage.
It’s made by a shitty studio without talent

No, I'm telling you the way you simplify it to not express the tone of her statements is missing the point

Isaac is the worst. He's literally "I don't like Camarilla bossing me around, hence I'm gonna call myself an Anarch and employ Camarilla tactics anyway. There, I've showed them".

nah, they just started spamming cybersun threads
Think about Witcher 3 and Dragon Age: whatthefuck ever.
First, we got spammed by threads claiming that DA:I was gonna blow everything out the water. Then, when it was no longer deniable that it was gonna be shit, there was a huge influx of threads trying to bring down W3.

I swear, marketers only know a couple of tricks

...Is VtM Redemption any good? Nobody talks about that fucking game.
I kinda want to give it a try. It's more VtM and that's always nice.

He seems like the Anarch's equivalent of Strauss. If you ask Tung about the Anarchs he says the same thing, that the Camarilla didn't invent powergrabs and people will still do it even if they weren't around.

If the second one doesn't contain a level similar in any way to the Nosferatu Warrens, we'll be just fine.

Holy shit was that a low point.

>>none of the other dancers start circling around the player to join in
This always put a smile on my face when playing the original. Fuck, I'm going back for another replay.

It's even more of a cult classic than Bloodlines. I enjoyed it very much, but it was also a really difficult game. If you enjoy the Bloodlines atmosphere, Redemption should be right up in your alley.

Was Strauss really a powergrabber? He was just a traditionalist Camarilla fanboy who thought that LaCroix is not suited for the job and a detriment to proper functioning of Camarilla. The fact that removing him would put Tremere on top was just a bonus.

I didn't really mean for those statements to be related, just that Strauss and Isaac seemed to mostly function the same way despite not being in the same sect

What is this? A webm for wereants?

mechanically, combat and gameplay wise it CANNOT BE as bad as the first one, it is literally impossible
will the story and the rpg elements be as good?

I first saw it on /vr/ and it was the same size, I guess maybe it's just really old footage. But it seems like it would be a cool mechanic to change forms on the fly like that.

Combat and gameplay was good in 1 if you actually paid attention during the tutorial. Considering how many people didn't even bother to put points into combat stats it makes it hard to take any criticisms about the combat seriously. I actually think the melee system feels similar to the first Devil May Cry and I enjoyed it.

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>mechanically, combat and gameplay wise it CANNOT BE as bad as the first one, it is literally impossible
Oh, don't be hyperbolic. Combat in 1 is mediocre at worst. This whole "VtMB had garbage combat" is way overblown

I actually enjoy melee, but I hate using firearm in VTMB. Feel so fucking weak.
I played Toreador with celerity and guns recently, beginning with Society of Leopold it felt awful.
(then played malk with obfuscate and melee which was fun as hell)

Depends on the gun. Some are meant to be sidearms or only used against humans. The Colt Anaconda or auto shotgun set to full auto are strong and satisfying.

Have you really played the original? The combat is so fucking bad in it, it makes this look good. I'm not even joking. Almost every single fight in the original I won because my first punch sent the enemy into the fucking wall and immobilized them.

Everything else about the footage looked good. Great art direction overall, looks like it'll have a lot of content like the devs are promising (they say there's more lines of dialogue written for this than for the original), just about all the races are in (Nosferatu is likely the DLC race they mentioned). Will it be as good as the original? Probably not. Still looking forward to it though.

It'll be a cult classic.

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>Colt Anaconda or auto shotgun set

That were the only ones that felt decent too use. I fell for the AUG meme.

the issue here is the player/controller not the game itself though..or am i missing something ?

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Zero, unfortunately.

There's literally no way you can qualify that. We know so little info it may as well be vapor-ware

I liked what I saw in the demo. You had a reasonable amount of choices for the scenario presented and I liked Elfi and NoSebastion's voice.

I mean, I think it'll actually be playable without a fan-patch so that's one point in it's favor

You're forgetting almost all of China-Town, the Sabbat Hotel, the Society of Leopold and the ending no matter what you pick

Nope, the player is an incompetent retard that can't aim straight. The combat still doesn't look mindblowing but at least some of it can be blamed on a crappy player. This is Kotaku's let's play of Doom all over again.

You can sneak through most of the Society of Leopold area at least. You still get a forced boss fight, but the rest is okay. Vastly better than the other areas at least.

I just want to know if Elif will be fuckable. That's the only thing that interests me about this game.

well yeah, got used to that by now it's not even worth mentioning at this point. The game still looks alright, Yea Forums hates it because the people behind it are SJWs but fucking hell, most games devs are like that now - it can still be a nice game

>The combat is so fucking bad in it,
no it isn't you dumb zoomer

>imagine talking about video games
>this meme was made by Gangweed

like 7%

So the new game will 100 % be 1st person ? I liked the 3rd person in the 1st one..

Nah, user is the kind of guy that complains that his triggers on the guy, when much like the player in the gif, he can't aim for shit.

Good in the same way as the original? Something like zero. The sequel looks to have none of the charm of the first game. The character design, the color palette, the animation, the music, the voice acting, the quest writing, none of what we have seen seem to even hold a candle. Bloodlines was a product of its time.
That said, 2 will still probably be a decently playable RPG, especially considering the quality of modern RPGs as of late. Worth a pirate and one playthrough if nothing else. I sincerely doubt it will ever be remembered as fondly as the original.

I trust in Andy!

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To be fair - we haven't seen much. I am still not getting my hopes up, but there are things I like in it.
Some of the atmosphere is still there, I kinda like Elif and the nuSebastian Nos, maybe something will come out of it.
There is a big chance that it's gonna be shit, but maybe it will be at least entertaining.

>To be fair - we haven't seen much.
Yes, yes, you can have endless optimism despite having little cause for it. I'm basing my predictions on what we have. This is all they had for show and I wasn't impressed.

Where do i go for more lore/story on vtm without playing the tabletops and shit. Finished the game, enjoyed the story and now i wanna know more like what happens after/before.

What was wrong with Chinatown? Sure, the Mandarin subplot dragged a bit too long but his "test" on you were amusing. And how can you not like Tseng that's totally a herbalist and not a People's Army weapons dealer, Mr Ox and this whole "wereshark" sidequest?

By playing tabletops and shit. You may also give Redemption a spin. There was a TV series in the 2000's trying to ride the Buffy craze (no, seriously) but I don't recall that many official novels or shit like that.
To be fair, most of the VtM stories like Bloodlines are pretty disconnected.

download the books, check out the wikia.

He said it was combat heavy, not necessarily bad. And he's right, there's a lot of fighting. Go rescue the guy's daughter by killing a bunch of people. Go talk to the guy in the warehouse and kill the people attacking it. Go to the club and kill everyone (though you can just run past them so that's something). Go to the Mandarin's place and go through some tests then kill everyone there. There's a whole lot of combat.

Chinatown felt really empty to me, I just thought there would be more to do.

Just finished it too. Figured I'll replay it with mods like those clan mods now. Any suggestions?

Best clan for a first playthrough? I'm thinking Tremere because the males don't look like complete faggots.

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But user, vampires are faggots. Toreador and max seduction.

any clan goes, go with the one you like. faggots will tell you dont pick this or that but its got a pretty small impact really. even as a nosferatu you can walk around just fine, just dont go straight up to the faces of random NPCs.
tremere have blood magic which is basically the "skip combat" button because you can spam blood strike as fast as you can click your mouse.

Anything but Nosferatu. Nosferatu aren't allowed to get close to regular people so that's annoying as shit when you don't know where anything is and are trying to explore. Every other clan is fine, just make sure you level either melee/firearms so you can kill things when required. Or Protean+brawl if you're Gangrel, that also works.

Good choice. Tremere are fun. Domination will carry you through the most of the game - especially with Unofficial Plus Patch that makes you use Dominate in dialogue. For the more combat heavy scenarios you have Thaumaturgy.
And Tremere get the most comfy hideout in the game plus a bunch of decent charms (like a blood container) courtesy of Strauss.

thetrove.net/Books/World of Darkness/Classic World of Darkness/Vampire/index.html

behold, a faggot.

I thought Seduction was a dead-end for male characters.

,
blood container comes from pisha

>Unofficial Plus Patch
It's probably best not to use mods for the first time he plays the game.

Man, I just dump it all in Toreadors for RP purposes. Been playing a Toreador male with max hand-to-hand (some ranged because fuck Hollywood sewers), celerity and seduction, essentially I'm playing DIO. Got through the game just fine and dandy.

Tremere are always the best and cutest possible choice!

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What did he mean by this?

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daddy cummies

Dumb question - but you can never be sure with the game as wonky as Bloodlines.
Can I install Clan Quest mod on top of GOG installation (that comes with an Unofficial Patch by default)? It won't fuck up the mod content?

Best boy

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That's not Strauss

People actually like Strauss?

No, only (((people))) like Strauss.

Strauss is literally THE only ending that isn't completely fucking retarded
He's also dope, fo shizzle.

That's some next level Stockholm syndrome.

Yes

What's not to like?
He's the only reasonable person in the game.

I still can't understand how retarded do you have to be to ally with LaCroix or Kuei-Jin. I guess Kuei-Jin ending makes sense only if you are a nutjob Malkavian.

>mfw the Tremere are no longer part of the Camarilla in V5
lel

I guess some people are just too blinded by their love.

Are you sure you aren't thinking of Gangrel

I just wanted to be his Wunderkind.

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Stop being such a fucking nostalgia fag. The combat in the first game is ass. Melee is stupidly favorable compared to guns and using block or trying to dodge is basically just waste of time unless you fight slow shits like the gargoyle. You also cant always control how you swing your weapon so sometimes you just missed because you character decides to do a vertical swing instead of horizontal. I love the game but lets be real here.

based and meleepilled

how the fuck can you kill vampires with regular guns

destroy their head like a zombie
still 100x better off using blades or fire though

Melee is only better at the start. Later on once you get the uzi/desert eagle guns are much better.

Stop this meme

>You also cant always control how you swing your weapon so sometimes you just missed because you character decides to do a vertical swing instead of horizontal.
Wrong, wrong, wrong and absolutely wrong. What animation plays depends on
1) The part of the melee chain that you're in
2) What direction button you press while attacking

It's true though. The uzi in particular is incredibly strong. Great damage, and with high guns skill it's basically perfectly accurate and has no recoil. Kills anything no problem.

"no"

Do the zombie gate defense and then tell me how I need to take melee chains into consideration. The combat in this game does not deserve the amount of attention that shit would require. I would find the direction attacks more enjoyable if they actually made your character swing FROM THAT DIRECTION. It's unpredictable and pointless while playing the game normally.

The point is that you should never be surprised what animation plays, because it will always be 100% predicable. It is never unpredictable

about rudi percent

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game is seriously incredible if you like exploration and no hand holding.

That's Brujah. And good fucking riddance, last thing Camarilla needs is those shitfaced vampire peasants.
Gangrel technically left in Revised - technically, because they are still Gangrel allied with Camarilla. Tremere will never leave Camarilla. That would be the death of them with how many enemies they have.