Why is this game's atmosphere so unsettling? It veers into the uncanny valley yet I can't put my finger on why

Why is this game's atmosphere so unsettling? It veers into the uncanny valley yet I can't put my finger on why.

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Because you're in an evil witch's lair

Rare was really good with lighting and textures on 64

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Whoah

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It was the soundtrack. Rareware's best, mind you.

They really nailed the atmosphere in these games.

They had that cheerful but almost creepy music going on in DK64 too.

top kek

I ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS TOO

I'm glad somebody else said this. This game would make me feel really depressed and weird, I actually hated playing it.

>always wanna replay BK
>Get to Clanker Cavern
>lose urge to play
why bros

does she poop grenades like the real game haha

How would you conceivably go about making Banjo Threeie?

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The composer's name is Grant Kirkhope, if you want to look into more of his work.

Recently did the song for Ultimate's B&K stage, haven't really heard it yet though,.

It'd be pretty easy if you just look back at the design they had already before M$ turned it into N&B.

Expandable worlds that have you revisit them but with much more to do each time.

>re-watching a playthrough
God I hate Zoomers so mucb. FFS, you can play the game RIGHT NOW on any toaster you're using to shitpost using PJ64, you have literally no excuse!!

He said he was surprised they asked him because Nintendo usually has Japanese artists do the remixes and they didn’t even get David Wise for Gangplank. Now I’m glad they got Grant but it has me wondering why they didn’t get Wise to do K. Rools theme. I don’t like the smash remix that much.

Gunty making PA announcements in her lair always scared the shout out of me because it'd always come from nowhere.
IIRC, it stops after you beat Furnace Fun

Can we turn this thread into that?

I've been playing through Tooie recently and it'd made me ideafag for Threeie hard core. I'd love to just talk about that if anyone else is up for it.

Everything has eyes.
Everything can talk.
Everything has a name.
Who gave birth to these things?

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Originally they just asked him to make a new Banjo song, and he picked Spiral Mountain not knowing it was for Ultimate, nor the level they picked for Ultimate.

Or so I've read.

this

It was intentional because Gruntilda is a mean old witch. You might as well ask why the forest of thorns in Snow White was scary.

>Whoever made the music was definitely pretty clever but also kind of demented.
Yep sounds like Grant Kirkhope to me.

I'll have to see what other ungodly abominations he's punished video game players with.

I'm listening to his top 10 compilation right now. He also did the music for Donkey Kong 64 which had that just intolerable grating creepy dissonance all the way through that game. It would have been a great game if it weren't for that fucking music. Basically this guy is an absolute piece of shit and should never be hired to write anything for anyone ever.

But he is clever for being able to write something that subtly and unrelentingly disgusting

kill yourself

Why couldn’t playtinic make a good game

What're your thoughts?

My biggest point of contention revolves around moveset. One of the great joys of Tooie was that you started with the full moveset from Kazooie. It really felt like a full fledged sequel where the heroes carried with them everything that they'd learned. With Kazooie, their moveset was expanded even further, maybe a bit too much and I wonder what left there is to add? Granted, a lot of the moves from Tooie revolve around consumables like shoes or context sensitive platforms. Would we keep everything, or would we remove/replace some things?

Pretty good breakdown fempai

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The Jew witch who owns the tower

Pretty bummed myself, but the writing was on the wall.

jesus christ what do you feel when you listen to industrial or EAI you fucking pansy

What's the best way to emulate these games?

Those ugly pre-rendered textures clashing with the vertex-colored low poly models.
The game looked good on N64, looks ugly now. At least the colors are nice.

>Part of it is that they use a lot of minor third harmonies in the music that shouldn't be there, giving it some kind of weird subtle dissonance.
I dont know much about composing music, but there are many youtube videos about him and other musicians trying to decipher his tracks, and from what I've gathered all that disonance comes from the fact that the characters, Banjo and Kazooie are just polar opposites, a sweet honey bear and an annoying and sarcastic bird, so thats why they have this much contrast.
Take a look at it if you want
youtube.com/watch?v=0-IZaebZ43Y

Make the plot that Gruntilda stole Banjo and Kazooie's moves and use that to justify updating the moveset and changing it around.

Stuff like battery eggs from Gruntys Revenge make way more sense for organic puzzles than Ice eggs or something

Not him, but I'm more interested in what the story would be. It's a little bit more difficult to follow up since Grunty's now just a disembodied skull. There weren't really any other characters threatening spiral mountain either.

Holy fuck the guy who wrote the music for Banjo Kazooie also wrote it for this mario game

Listen to how fucking disgusting this is. It's just pure non-stop dissonance and non-sense at every turn. Why on earth would any game developer hire this piece of shit to write music for their game? Idiots like this should be confined to writing music for spergs at university. I am literally getting a sick stomach just listening to this

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They had a bunch of the same main dudes. I don’t understand.

>jesus christ what do you feel when you listen to industrial or EAI you fucking pansy
Industrial is barely music you drooling brainwashed neanderthal.

All anti-melody descends from Schoenberg who was a miserable Jewish skitzo that made it his life's mission to deconstruct western melody with angry gibberish. If you are enjoying anything a-tonal or anti-melodic, you've been Jewed

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Uncanny Valley can't be used to describe an atmosphere

>N64 emulation
Yikes

buy a Nintendo64. my mate barry did. They're as cheap as chips now. You can get them for like 40 quid or less.

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Because they made a shallow retread of BK with none of the passion they once had.

Back to collectathon.
Grunty steals LOGs power, restores herself to her hot B-K form and kills him while calling him a terrible character. By the time you reach her at the end of the game she is back to her ugly form because of her terrible habits, snark by B-K how they can't use vehicles because of "Gas-Prices", Mumbo is a "bad guy" due getting charmed by Grunty, this time his transformations are intended as curses to stop Banjo and Kazooie, but are functionally the same. Humba is now "Best Scientist in All Game" and has new angle where she denies magic, maybe due getting dumped by Mumbo.

One of the levels could Be "Grunty's Boarding Schools for Girls" featuring Ugly Tooty as a boss.

The spiders fucking break apart into different body parts when you kill them
The twinklies get fucking eaten

>Grunty is a skull
Just revive her with a new body lol.

Imma just dump my autism into this thread and hope it leads somewhere.

Anyway, so one of the major things I'd do with Threeie is remap some actions on the controller (since newer controllers have more buttons than the N64), and also tighten up all of BK's action so it's a lot more fluid and fun to move around than before. Not to Mario 64 level, but defo nuMario tier.

Right off the bat, Talon Trot is immediately designated to its own button (R1), and now happens instantly. Meaning, you can go from Banjo running into TT with no delay, like you see in Smash. This is important cause TT has been given more traction, thus allowing for more platforming.

Other things Egg Aim and Breegull Blaster have been consolidated onto the same move. You now aim with the right stick. And you activate it by pressing L2. Should also note, if you hold L2, you get an over-the-shoulder perspective a la Mario Sunshine, for quick aiming.

And obviously the right stick dominates all camera controlls pretty much like all modern platformers. Up on Right stick Zooms you in, as 1st person is now L2, and clicking the stick centers the camera.

Here's the rest of the input maps for ref:

L2 - Breegull Blaster
L1 - Crouch
R2 - Fire Eggs
R1 - Talon Trot (now works like a dash button)

B - Attack
A - Jump
X - Special Action 1
Y - Special Action 2 (Use Item)

UP/DOWN Dpad - Cycle Eggs
L/R Dpad - Cycle Items

L Stick - Movement
Banjo now sprints into action much more fluid kick, but he has a bit more of a slide to his runs. There's also way more precision to your actions, making tiptoeing and walking easier.

Right stick - Camera.

>Industrial is barely music
Why does studying music theory always produce drones?
Seriously, everyone I know studying music has the blandest, most pedestrian taste imaginable. It's mind-boggling.

There's a lot of weirdly uncomfortable stuff in this series. Clanker suffocating chained up in muddy water, Banjo's fish getting crushed beneath a rock, the Witchyworld dude sneezing on burgers, what you do to Mildred and the other ice cube, blinding Lord Woo Fak Fak and tearing open his scabs. Just a few examples.

MAMA MAMAAAAAA

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>If you are enjoying anything a-tonal or anti-melodic, you've been Jewed
it sounds good and that's all that matters

don't ever speak unkindly of Mister Kirkhope again

He wrote the Spiral Mountain theme

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I was just watching this, his music is just disgusting. Those parts where he does the "Chromatic transitions" sound like demented clown music

Can we talk about how fucking good snow worlds were during Rare's N64 era
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Omg Gruntilda scary

fuck. meant for

Stevey stevey cope and seethey

So is Threeie a sequel to Nuts & Bolts or to Tooie?

You're a faggot hipster is why

What would things have been like had Nintendo purchased Rare..

Switch B with X and it's solid

This game was a fucking nightmare to me. I would watch my older brother play it and be scared the entire time. Then go over to my friends house and watch him play it. I never wanted anything to do this game and yet everyone around me only wanted to play it.

big cums all round

so Yooka-Laylee but made by a team that isn't washed up with an actual budget?

>talon trot is 1 button press
terrible idea.

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Nothing would've really changed in relation to BK honestly.

Additional Changes to moves:

Talon Trot has more of a sprint, it'll slowly accelerate while you hold it till it reaches top speed. Top Speed TT is now noticeably faster than before,and the move gives you tighter traction making it really fun to move around in. The acceleration is important cause of one of the new moves too.

Beak Buster now bounces you up more when you land on enemies, and tapping A just right when bouncing up will lend you even more air. You're now able to act out of it much more easily.

Claw Climber Boots are still on a timer, but now they let you climb anywhere with no restrictions

Springy Steps can be used more than once now. It's the timer that nukes them, not the use. This is done so unique platforming sections with them can be added (think Spring Mario in Galaxy 2), as well as to give more meaning to Shock Jump pads.

You can now Jump and Crouch while using Breegull Blaster, and new moves for this mode are introduced.

Yeah! And with a more likeable cast!

I legitimately feel most of it would have been exactly the same.
>Ghoulies
>Kameo
>Perfect Dark
>Viva Pinata 1 & 2
>Nuts & Bolts because Gregg was convinced platformers were dead at the time

>but made by a team that isn't washed up
Can we stop pretending Playtonic is the original Banjo team? Because they really aren't.

>Unsettling

It's like the opposite for me. The only level that feels empty is Rusty Bucket and that stage is intentionally hostile and filled with lots of enemies and only one NPC.

>Why does studying music theory always produce drones?
Other way around. Once you understand what you're hearing, you identify satanic vibrations.

I cannot imagine what a-tonal vibrations would look like when observed with cymatics. The 12-tone scale was literally promoted with the intention to deconstruct melody. It's objectively not music.

Rare was already declining when MS bought them
DK64 sucked, Tooie was better but still a step down from Kazooie
They really fell for the bigger is better meme, and you can see that they're STILL falling for it even harder with Yooka-Laylee

Lmao fucking pansy

can you analyze this
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keep in mind that they're all classically trained musicians who went to music schools in japan

why do Yea Forumsniggers think this is good

You've spent way too much time on /x/ user.

>muh melody
theorynigger

>DK64 sucked
Faggot

Apparently Banjo Kazooie 3 was still going to be about cars even without Microsoft's intervention.

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No it's not. Mario Odyssey has exactly the same thing in the form of Mario's roll. And tons of games have a "dash button." Worlds are now much larger, Getting around has to be fluid and fun.

Forgot to add another change. Banjo's Jab is back as his standard attack, but it has a lot more kick to it, and is way more responsive. You tap 3x to get all three jabs, and the final hit does pack quite a whallop. It's stronger than the Rat a tap rap.

You can now do pack whack while in Duo. It works differntly than Solo Banjo. Has more start up, and using it as duo, has Kazooie come out of the backpack and fly around Banjo using Wing Whack,before returning. This move is basically your mob clearer. To do it, rotate the stick and tap B.

Breegull Bash is now X+B meaning you can do it more easily. It's the strongest attack the duo has, and you can hold it to delay it for better timing.

If Kameo was first party she would be in Smash and have tons more porn by now.

>DK64 sucked
stop this meme. Stop it right now.
DK64 is a great game , it's fun and is better than Conker's bad furday at any rate

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Lmao

>clasically trained at music school
Like I said above, all of this non-sense comes from Schoenberg. An elitist Jew who pushed the 12-tone scale as revenge against western melody. I have his composition book sitting on my shelf. Schoenberg theory is what they teach in elitist music schools now, it's really sad.

>Yea Forums
Have no idea what they're talking about, just hobbyists who want to check out some neat sounding stuff. Which is fine, but they're elitists while knowing nothing about music.

This is Schoenberg for reference:
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Its ok user. Where did Grant touch you?

Melody is not a theory, it's an identifiable science.

/x/ would be good if they posted about what I'm talking about

You're in a witch's lair. Of course it's bound to make you feel scared!

Sounds actually pretty nice

>grant kirkhope is an absolute piece of shit
>his music is disgusting
i don't think i've ever seen taste this fucking awful. if this is not bait, you should consider growing some actual taste. if it is bait, 6/10, made me reply.

I'd go with "both" in the way that it has Gruntilda basically undo it and then have characters take occasional shit-takes on it.

Basically N&B happened, but they don't really acknowledge it because Banjo is now /fit/ and has his moves back, LOG is killed and has his "god" power stolen by Grunty (re-establishing her as a powerful threat and not just a head.) she drops the IT'S A GAME BRO angle for more egocentric "worlds" and creation methods, and everyone involved are embarrassed it ever happened, and then more work to reestablish more to the Kazooie-Tooie theme outside of a few jokes. Basically just so the people who actually played N&B can get the satisfaction of LOG getting his. Needless to say, LOG would stay dead even after Grunty is defeated.

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>youtube.com/watch?v=bQHR_Z8XVvI
Am I mentally ill if I legitimately enjoy this?

Not him but yes. That is horrifying.

He's classically trained, and you're not. You don't have the ear to discern just how disgusting the music is.

Have his head become Banjo's new TV.

Every human being has ears

a good villain makes their presence known. You hear gruntilda's laugh throughout the game.

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Si this is what being a Yea Forumstanto feels like

Not even close.
t. former Yea Forumstant

I like to think that in this timeline B&K got in by Brawl and Grunty is the one that becomes a contentious subject of rosterfagging.

>He's classically trained
I'm classical trained* and no you're a retard blowing smoke on the internet

that's fine and dandy but this ain't classical music. being trained doesn't mean much if you spout shit like 'this guy should've never been hired for anything' just to be contrarian.

>music student scared of the satanic jew noises in Banjo Kazooie
this place never fails to be interesting

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Wtf is this music even suppose to be? I don't understand it.

I think at first listen it's kind of interesting because it's just chaotic non-sense and its fun to hear where it will go next. But there is literally nothing going on. It's just intentionally hitting half step intervals randomly.

If you like that kind of sound though, check out Ravel and the other impressionist writers. They started experimenting with outside-the-box melody in a non-skitzo way. You might like it
youtube.com/watch?v=I_m6hLSpsLc

thanks fella

Fantano knows literally nothing about music. He just describes the way it makes him feel and the texture of the bass sounds. Easily one of the biggest e-celeb hacks around

Nuts & Bolts was the third attempt, actually. First was remaking Banjo-Kazooie back in 2004. The next concept was having to compete with Grunty while she tried to get Biggies before you did. Nuts & Bolts came after both of those were scrapped.

Jesus fucking Christ I fucking hate you moronic stormniggers who somehow manage to talk about jews in a fucking banjo thread. Fucking drink a bucket of bleach and end your miserable existence like your mother tried to do until you somehow managed to crawl out of your abortion bucket, useless waste of oxygen

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SWEEPING
SYNTHS

>this place never fails to be interesting
People should unironically be concerned with a-tonal music. They put it in top-40 pop music like Nicki Minaj

The actual vibrations of this stuff is not good for your brain. You can look this up for yourself, it's called cymatics.

>Biggies
JIGGY JIGGY JIGGY
CAN'T YOU SEE
SOMETIMES YOUR PUZZLES JUST HYPNOTIZE ME

>>Nuts & Bolts because Gregg was convinced platformers were dead at the time
That just happened because when they presented the demo to microsoft executives, they didn't give a single flying shit
Nuts and Bolts might have happened but we would still get Banjo Threeie on the gamecube.

Basically this

Classical training means understanding how music in general works. It's not specific to classical music.

What's hilarious is the the main reason they even contacted him was because they loved his work on Mario + Rabbids and because the director of the game gave them his number.

I hope someone saves this thread. We actually found a musically trained schizo paranoid because of the Jewish demonic clown music of Banjo Kazooie. This is fucking hilarious.

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>Wtf is this music even suppose to be? I don't understand it.
It's literally gibberish. It's nothing

Tfw thoroughly enjoyed Nuts and Bolts and even played it online

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New Moves:

Most of the new moves are mainly focused on expanding the mobility options of the duo to make them more fun. Rather than add new locks and keys that overshadow older moves.

>Kazooie Kopter:
(Rotate Stick + A, Hold A to hold your flight)
It's basically a spin Jump. You know how Mario would helicopter in 64 after bouncing on Shy Guys? Like that. Great for clearing long gaps.

>Hyperwing
(Hold B while in Talon Trot, consumes gold feathers)
It's basically the Speed Booster from Super Metroid. Late game move.

>Long Jump
(Talon Trot Only, Crouch + A)
If you get the Flip Flap for height when Banjo leads, you get the Long Jump for distance when Kazooie leads.

>Side Roll
(Breegull Blaster mode only, R1 + )
Remember how everyone bitched that the fps sections in Tooie were lame? Well, in addition to now being able to run, jump, and crouch, while in this mode, as well as aiming being significantly improved, one of the new moves lets you do an evasive roll to avoid harm, thereby letting devs push the fps combat into being more challenging.

>Aerial Roll
(R1+ while flying)
Speaking of making modes more fun, how about we add more control to flying and Swimming? Now you can do a "barrel roll" when you fly or swim. Consumes red feathers.

>Beak Buzzsaw
(B+X, FPS only)
You saw this in the original Microsoft trailer. Basically like Doomguy's chainsaw. Consumes red feathers while active. Can be used to break down walls.

>Lockpick
X FPS only
Also in the MS trailer, literally the only lock and key move.

>Scent Smell
Banjo Only, X
Lets you track objects by activating a new way of seeing, which lets you see smells. Can add for neat platforming, and it lets you see invisible enemies.

New Eggs:
Gooey Eggs - they're sticky, can be fired at the ground to slow objects down, and can be combined with other eggs for special effects. Also, flamable.

Rotten Eggs- very stinky. Used for unique (and funny) puzzles, and work well with Banjo

based

classical training means you aren't impressive enough to have any critical acclaim so you've gotta flaunt that you took a music class because you NEED to be special. i took a music class but you don't see me whipping my dick out and smacking it across my keyboard to call accomplished composers demented.
pretty based. it was a good game, even if i liked the first two a lot more.

>Jesus fucking Christ I fucking hate you moronic stormniggers who somehow manage to talk about jews in a fucking banjo thread. Fucking drink a bucket of bleach and end your miserable existence like your mother tried to do until you somehow managed to crawl out of your abortion bucket, useless waste of oxygen

You cannot talk about a-tonal music without talking about Schoenberg, who was a Jew that took vengeance against western melody by pushing the 12-tone scale in universities.

This isn't a /pol/ conspiracy, Michael Jones documented it in his book "Diyonisis Rising". Sorry if this upsets you, just the way it is

haha i wonder what kazooie's rotten eggs smell like

Well, duh, it's called having business relations.
A random composer from a game 20 years ago has way less chances to get contacted than a random composer that did the music for a game your company has released the year before

If Conker's Bad Fur day released today all of Yea Forums would call it a furfag unfunny movie game

First it was endless Smash garbage, and now it's a Catholic dullard. What a surprise.

>I hope someone saves this thread. We actually found a musically trained schizo paranoid because of the Jewish demonic clown music of Banjo Kazooie. This is fucking hilarious.
There are spiritual implications to music (and most things in general). All esoteric and religious texts discuss music.

I'm not saying that the composer is demonic, I'm saying he's using Schoenberg music theory which has intentionally evil vibrations. Music literally has observable vibrations, you can look it up.

youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg&t=39s
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If there ever is a Banjo-Threeie, I'd like to see the Bird and Bear pull an odyssey and travel the world, maybe get Tootie to become a plane pilot that takes them place to place, trying to find Magic McGuffins to stop a new baddie. Which means they have to regretfully work with Grunty's skeletal head, who will surely back stab the bear and bird and steal the new baddies power and finally becomes hot and becomes the real final boss

As for new moves, it'd be neat to see some new ones but I feel like not too much should be added, and the whole "Splitting up" mechanic should be removed. As for levels, I'd like them to be big but difficult to explore until you really figure out how to get around and activate shortcuts and routes.

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But Wise worked on Tropical Freeze. They probably just wanted to go the extra mile because Banjo getting in Smash is much more special than K. Rool getting in Smash.

Just 100% yooka laylee AMA

apparently, Banjo Kazooie is now a horror game, nice Yea Forums

Do you desire a Twooka-Laylee?

It is on a meta-level

all n64 games are

>when they presented the demo to microsoft executives, they didn't give a single flying shit
>he still believes the greentext on Yea Forums despite all the interviews by ex-Rare talking about the development of N&B and how it basically went from Live & Reloaded Banjo-Kazooie to cars super early on

clankers cavern is actually awesome

git gud

My ideal Banjo 3 would be a lot closer to Kazooie than Tooie, with most of the advancement being in making platforming and movement more fun and involving. Mario Odyssey, strangely enough, is in some ways closer to this ideal than Tooie.

I don't know where to download the game and Yea Forums wont tell me.

it's almost as if kids would get afraid of non scary things

>now
youtube.com/watch?v=d_hFsPRfyf8

Interesting, is Mozart's music part of the Jewish demonic tone? The salt or w/e near the end looked it turned into the star of David.

About Eggs, Fearthers and Notes:

Notes are now more of a currency. They're a lot more abundant, with each level having a count well over 100, sometimes 200+.

They come as single notes worth 1 each, pairs worth 2, bunches worth 5, and Treble Clefs worth 20. Like in Kazooie, notes reset if you die or leave the level, AND YOU LOSE THEM. In order to retain your notes for when you leave is by depositing them at a "Bank" there's 1 in each level now.

Eggs and Feathers
Blue Eggs and Red Feathers are abundant and found everywhere in worlds. However, Fire, Ice, Grenade, Clockwork, Rapid Fire, Remote Bomb, Gooey, and Rotten Eggs as well as Golden feathers, must be purchased from JamJars. In order to restock, you gotta buy more.

Honey Jars for Banjo:
Grant Temporary powerups for Banjo when he's Solo:
Balloon, letting him float/fly. Super Size, for Kaiju-like battles, and giving him super strength, Tiny... that's all I got for now.

Items: There's now a character designated to selling you unique and special items you can use. This includes upgrades to your NOTE book. Upgrades to the backpack. A Camera for photos. A Warp Stick (replaces the warp pads from Tooie), a Juju Jar, which lets you know when it's full. (you must fill it with level unique tokens and take it to Mumbo (?) in order to transform. You can also hit the 2nd limiter, and if you do, you can now transform back and forth without visiting Mumbo.

I'm going to knock this quadroon up

tl;dr: Banjo gets Mario moves and momentum

Kind of, I know it'll be better than the first one but that game drained me. They should just make the sequel about Schell recruiting Yooka Laylee to fight aliens in space.

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Clanker is one of the greatest 3d plaformer levels of any gen. How can someone be this much of a pleb?

THIS

I don't know why conker gets as much praise as it does. The arguments i always hear are "it's got funny jokes in it", nothing praising the actual gameplay because there isn't much going for it in that department. Stiff controls, limited movesets, linear set-piece moments to move the game forward. It infuriates me when i see people say that Conker's BFD is an amazing game, yet slander the good name of DK64 and say it's bad.
Bunch of bastard hypocrites the lot of them.

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>Banjo Threeie
>Set 10 years after Banjo Tooie
>Tooty is back, but she's a teenager and a zoomer tier mobile addicted twat
>Gruntilda has been hunting Mumbo Tokens and Glowbos for 10 years so she can transform her head into various creatures and ultimately transforms Spiral Mountain into her new domain

>dying or leaving a world resets your notes.

That's a terrible idea

Conker literally feels like a tech demo going through various things that the N64 can do with all the different gameplay styles that the game cycles through and discards. It's got it's charm, but the gameplay itself lacks focus.

So what are some examples of vidya music that doesn't feature this? Are jap composers safe? Platinum's games, Dragon Quest?

www.google.com

Conker is really nothing more than a glorified TECHNOLOGY demo. There's barely any platforming, the gun controls are clunky, and riding on anything (dinosaur, surf board) controls like absolute shit. The story goes nowhere and the latter half of the game becomes like 80% references. Multiplayer was fun though.

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Fuck replaying levels 5 times for each different kong. DK64 has some serious problems

I've always wondered how much of the game you could skip. IIRC, there was no need for the "golden glow to protect Banjo" move from Bottles, so technically you didn't need to go to Clanker's Cavern unless you needed jiggies or notes. I tried this once, but there was some note door or jigsaw I couldn't get past at some point.

Mozart was actually a subversive freemason, but I don't see anything weird going on in his music really. It's pretty traditional stuff

It's more likely that the Jewish star is a primordial symbol dating way back before Judaism was invented, and the Jews just picked it up to co-opt it. It probably exists in nature.

Sort of like Hitler picking up the swastika when it is actually one of the oldest symbols in existence

>yet slander the good name of DK64 and say it's bad
Oh come off it. Conker and DK64 are both terrible in their own ways. What they nail is sound design and atmosphere. The level design and blatant padding are shit.

>So what are some examples of vidya music that doesn't feature this? Are jap composers safe? Platinum's games, Dragon Quest?

I don't know a ton about gaming but it seems like JRPG music is always amazing. The Chrono Trigger and Nier soundtracks are two of the best video game soundtracks I've ever heard.

This for example, is beautiful. Nothing fucky going on, sounds like a Bach study.
youtube.com/watch?v=xz0CmJVX3CI

You took a music class yet you think it only applies to classical music and have to appeal to authority instead of actually debating the guy? I mean I don't buy his retarded jew conspiracy but that and his personal conjecture about the sanity of the composer aside, he's correct in his assessment of Banjo's music.

>Rotten Eggs- very stinky. Used for unique (and funny) puzzles, and work well with Banjo
This sounds like a fetish and I don't like it

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I couldn't finish it, and I kickstarted the damn thing. Name's in the credits and everything. I thought it would be Banjo Threeie but what I got was a game so full of jaded rage at their former employers that it bled into the actual gameplay, making something lighthearted and fun seem like it was made out of petty spite.

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i liked this boss. it's funny youtube.com/watch?v=PkFaPwCQScA

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What's your favorite band?

>Stiff controls, limited movesets, linear set-piece moments to move the game forward
>but pointlessly restricted collecting, even more context-sensitive abilities that are glorified gate openers, and mandatory backtracking are better

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liberal arts not even once

That's only for a few scenes, later it just goes into it's own thing

>I mean I don't buy his retarded jew conspiracy but that and his personal conjecture about the sanity of the composer aside

The thing about Schoenberg is true.
youtube.com/watch?v=XYeCSJll0aE

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High quality post
I never could have explained why the games makes me feel the way it does like that

I don't like the idea of removing Split up. Reduce the load times, and let you switch back and forth more easily. Maybe do away with the pads, and hell, even add a co-op mode. Expand on it, not do away with it.

In fact, Co-Op split up would be dope as fuck.

Last one, ideas for levels:

Game takes place in a new land near Isle O'Hags, it still uses the Metroidvania style progression of Tooie, except better developed, and this new land is more like Grunty's Lair in terms of size (Isle O'hags was tiny).

You still start the game at Spiral Mountain though, and you can visit Jinjo Village still , which has been remodelled completely. The rest of Isle O Hags is blocked off though.

The new levels are MASSIVE. Like Odyssey levels of Massive. Each one breaking down into various subsections, each of which being the size of what a Kazooie level woulda been like.

>Ant Battlefield
War themed level with lots of room for FPS challenges. Has barracks, a boot camp, trenches, etc... You transform into a Tank here
>Wild West Canyon
Has rapids. a tall cliff with tightropes you can scale up, minecarts, and the peak is snowy contrasting the arid desert.
>Bafoon Bayou
A fortress/prison on the water. Think waterworld. Has pirates, and deep see trenches to explore
>Grunty's Lair
one of the mid game levels, gives you a chance to explore the old lair which has been taken over by someone newand remodeled on the interior, though a lot of the old segments still exist, it's MUCH larger now.
>Fairy Tall Tales
The Click Clock/Cuckooland equivanlent. Take place inside a storybook, and lets you experience parodies of classic tales, including: Jack and the Beanstalk, Sleeping Beauty, Little Red, Peter Pan, Pinnoccio,etc...

yeah bro fuck music and art in general and the great strides we've made in their study for over 2000 years, let's just go back to the ancient Greeks and their religious chanting

I don't listen to bands. I listen to composers. If you mean rock music, I hate all of it.

What do you think of Death Grips?

imagine unironically being an ideas guy, just typing up a bunch of shit that doesn't matter

>say he shouldn't be hired because his music sounds disgusting
>also say this can only be heard by those who are classically trained
guess it isn't really a problem then is it

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>Banjo Kazooie's OST is evil Jewish skitzo music
I'm fucking losing it

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>satanic vibrations

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Bands are not exclusive to rock music, you should know this. Also, only listening to composers sounds like you're shooting yourself on the foot, trying too hard not to like shit that isn't classical just makes you a pretentious douche. Aren't you afraid of missing out? Or do you just stick to your little narrative to seem more interesting than you really are?

Largely yes. Mario evolved past the 64, Banjo never did. If a new game gets made , it should obviously take a lot of inspiration from Odyssey, especially when it comes to moves. While still keeping the duo unique and pushing the exploration angle.

Have each mode they can be in feel different. Banjo leads, Kazooie leads (talon trot), Solo Banjo, Solo Kazooie, and FPS mode. As well as Flying and Swimming.

Mumbo is no longer playable.

That's how I'd do it.

Jamjars is the weapons guy. Pawno sells you items. Mumbo is back to being main Shaman. And now you have THREE characters that teach you moves, one for the duo, one for solo banjo, and one for solo kazooie. Reason for this is to cut away the frustration tooie introduced of visiting Jamjars, and then being told to come back with someone else. Now you can tell the moment you spot him.

Also, maybe the Juju jar could have multiple uses. I think it has potential as a multipurpose magical item. Take it to Mumbo for Spells, Wumba for transformations, and you need to fill it up to certain levels for different things. Maybe even have the jars be one per level, meaning you gotta find it first too. Idk.
>Haunted Forest
a mix between MMM and most "green" forest levels in games. Has a very Blair Witch parody to it. Marshes, parodies of Jack the Ripper, and most campsite slasher villains, has a large hedgemaze segment where you get chased by a Jason parody.
>The Moon
Another late game level. It's made of Cheese, and you have rabbits making cake. You also have a hollywood set, with some astronauts making a film. Entire level has reduced gravity.

That's all I got, but total level count should shoot for 13. Each level also has more than 10 jiggies, probably 20, and notes go up to like 200.

bet that massive debt and mcdonalds job was worth it so you could criticize n64 music huh

>Banjo-Kazooie's music is satanic gibberish written by deranged schizo lunatic with ties to an ancient Jewish conspiracy with the purpose of undermining and destroying western civilization
Yea Forums never fails to impress me sometimes

I like bands from every genre. Bluegrass, jazz, metal, ect. But I mainly listen to classical.

If you're asking about rock bands, I've always had a soft spot for the band He Is Legend. They sound generic at first but when you break down the little things they do in different songs, there's some really clever things happening
youtube.com/watch?v=b-y16qy0zAE&list=PLCBD8409D92C88809&index=12

Does anyone else think that Donkey Kong 64 had racist undertones? They're monkeys that have instinctive affiliation with rap music and watermelons
I'm surprised there wasn't some cut-scene or minigame that had Donkey Kong tapping a basketball around

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That user replying to you wasn't me. This is me

Different user, but you can observe that something feels a certain way without understanding why it makes you feel that way. You may not know the difference between a major and a minor chord but your brain does.

The truth is more insane than you'd expect. Look into this stuff

I think they're trash, but I can see why someone would find them interesting. I went through a short phase when I was kind of into them, the album with Bjork on it was interesting

Why do you try so hard, user?

Understandable. What are your thoughts on Cocteau Twins?

Post spooky satanic music
m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPUn5biib1c

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you don't have to get a degree to study music theory retard

switch port when?

Never heard of it before, listening now.

Sounds pretty good. I like all of the vocal layering on Heaven or Las Vegas. I'm assuming this is from the 80's. I like New Order and Depeche mode in that era a lot too

These guys are pretty cool too
youtube.com/watch?v=s4iLX7eWwmE

jet force Gemini for the wii, that game was made for the wiimote + nunchuck controls

I don't necessarily doubt that this Schoenberg guy was a schizo with fucked up ideas, but to insist that everybody who experiments with musical composition is a part of some ancient Jewish conspiracy to destroy the world is retarded. I guarantee most modern musicians have no idea who Schoenberg and his ilk even are and are just dicking around with their instruments to see what they can make.
BK's music is dissonant to highlight the contrasting personalities of the two protagonists. Nothing more.

hey schizo user whos ur favorite anime?

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Yeah they practically invented shoegaze, this song is particularly interesting, there's such a weird, ominous vibe to it, I can't really put my finger on it. Would like to hear your thoughts.

youtube.com/watch?v=VhqLE7O_FTA

have sex

Not him but I don't think he was saying all musicians who do that are in on it
Rather, the Jew poisoned the well of Western music without most people realizing it, yet they propigate it nonetheless

>Set 10 years after Banjo Tooie
>Tooty is back, but she's a teenager and a zoomer tier mobile addicted twat
Fuck, that sounds awful. Just make her a clone of Coco Bandicoot and call it a day. No need for this time skip nonsense.

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havesexerino go go go have sex right noow XD:20:36 No.467212149▶ I think at first listen it's kind of interesting because it's just chaotic non-sense and its fun to hear where it will go next. But there is literally nothing going on. It's just intentionally hitting half step intervals randomly.

If you like that kind of sound though, check out Ravel and the other impressionist writers. They started experimenting with outside-the-box melody in a non-skitzo way. You might like it
youtube.com/watch?v=I_m6hLSpsLc
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thanks fella
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Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)10:21:52 No.467212252▶Fantano knows literally nothing about music. He just describes the way it makes him feel and the texture of the bass sounds. Easily one of the biggest e-celeb hacks around
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Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)10:22:08 No.467212276▶Nuts & Bolts was the third attempt, actually. First was remaking Banjo-Kazooie back in 2004. The next concept was having to compete with Grunty while she tried to get Biggies before you did. Nuts & Bolts came after both of those were scrapped.
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Jesus fucking Christ I fucking hate you moronic stormniggers who somehow manage to talk about jews in a fucking banjo thread. Fucking drink a bucket of bleach and end your miserable existence like your mother tried to do until you somehow managed to crawl out of your abortion bucket, useless waste of oxygen
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Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)10:22:36 No.467212319▶
SWEEPING
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because unity.

>but to insist that everybody who experiments with musical composition is a part of some ancient Jewish conspiracy to destroy the world is retarded.
Never said that. In the early 1900's/late 1800's you had the impressionist movement of people like Debussy/Scriabin/Ravel/Satie who did a lot of musical experimentation, but it was not a-tonal. It was still musical and still logical. Even though they were going way outside the box, it was still objectively music. Schoenberg is far different from these people, it was an actual full deconstruction of harmony with the intention of dismantling the music system because he was a very famous university teacher.

>I guarantee most modern musicians have no idea who Schoenberg is
All academic musicians know who Schoenberg is. That's why modern classical music sounds completely fucking insane, because they're teaching Schoenberg's textbooks at music college. It's called 12-tone theory.

Academic music trickles down to pop music. Pop music has just been barely catching up to Chopin for the last 100 years. Certain people in the pop industry have just started implementing Schoenberg's ideas into pop music. Ever notice why new pop music like Nicki Minaj sounds so spooky, sterile, and weird? It's because they're using Schoenberg a-tonal harmony.

BK's music isn't as bad as Schoenberg's stuff, or even close, I'm just saying the reason it's so unnerving is because he's lightly using Schoenberg harmony.

This is what I'm talking about:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-tone_technique

So what? Even if he didn't "poison the well" somebody else would've come up with the same ideas eventually. Experimentation with art is something of an inevitability especially as time goes on. Insisting that a medium should not evolve over centuries of composing, and assuming that it's part of a Jewish conspiracy when it inevitably does, is insanity.

Better yet, deepen the Tooty is missing gag so that when Bottles mentions her at one point Banjo and Kazooie both have no idea who the hell he is talking about

shit we lost him brehs

and nothing of value has been lost

Worked in Kazooie. There has to be risk to dying.

Unlike Kazooie, you’re able to safely store your notes in a Bank though. So you can head there instantly as soon as you feel you’re about to encounter a tough challenge. Like a boss or a difficult platforming section.

Just use the warp stick to head to the bank instantly, and warp back to the checkpoint after you’re done. Good level design would mean you’re going to seperate or at least lead tough areas with checkpoints you can warp to in case you die, and so you can warp back if you’re worried you might die or if you’ve got a lot of notes stacked up.

look at the devs of luigis mansion 2 and 3

Well, he WAS Jewish, no mistaking that, but I don't think it was a conspiracy per se, just one guy attempting to poison the well
Whether his ideas would have become popular or not without him is up for debate.
The fact remains though, atonality can be traced back to this man, for better or worse

>Even if he didn't "poison the well" somebody else would've come up with the same ideas eventually.
But this is the thing, it isn't an actual idea. It's a DECONSTRUCTION. An idea would be what Frank Lloyd Wright did for architecture. What Schoenberg did to music is the equivalent of taking a wrecking ball, knocking down a building and then claiming it was a new style of architecture.

>Insisting that a medium should not evolve
It's literally regression. It's not physically possible to do that much with the 12 notes we're given. Westerners constructed the major/minor scale in order to build drama and orderly sound. Schoenberg basically said "Major/minor no longer exists, we're going to just replace it with chaotic noise instead".

I've never found myself thinking that modern pop music sounds "spooky". Not once in my life have I seen that adjective applied to fucking Nicki Manaj music. Sterile, sure, but most popular music in uninventive and boring.

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>went from a game designed for a portable to a game more like the original based on feedback and the new platform being a console with a portable form
????

Deconstruction is still an idea. It's an idea to take something pre-established and twist it into something different. Maybe there's some value to deconstructing tradition. Does it not provide value to you personally by helping you appreciate more traditional compositions?

It’s not a fetish. I needed new abilities for Banjo that coincided with the fact that he was a beat, as all he has is “he can climb” and “he is strong.” One things bears have is a very keen sense of smell. Banjo lacking this is like Kazooie lacking the ability to hatch eggs.

You can create tons of unique puzzles around having an olfactory sense.

Rotten eggs now work as a sort of tracking device you can snap on foes so Banjo can track them down more easily, as he’d be able to “see” the trails of smell. Think Zelda TP with the wolf form. Or the paintballs in MH, or the new fireflies in MH World.

Rotten eggs can be used comedically. They’re an item in monster hunter made out of dung, which you can use to repel monsters. Think of the same thing. Or, for certain puzzles. Tooie had you wash the clothes of factory workers in GI. Why not have the opposite challenge? Or hell, if you bring back the washing machine transformation you can now have layered puzzles around that.

Just cause weird fetishists have ruined concepts that are generally normal, doesn’t mean other people think the same way.

I’m thinking structly in terms of game mechanics in terms of everything I wrote. Creating fun structures as the foundations for a game which you can later expand upon.

Wrong, what Schoenberg did is just consistent Jewish behavior throughout the past centuries, possibly coupled with their genetic neuroticism. It is easy to accept when you realize that there are genetic differences between populations, including cognition, behavior and personality. This weird hatred of beauty and intense desire to "deconstruct" and "de-legitimize", and occasionally, clear dislike of Europeans in general. Being Jewish is central to understanding why he did what he did.

I would chalk it up to coincidence, if Franz Boas didn't do something similar to anthropology. Or what Steven Jay Gould did when it came to sociobiology. Jesus christ.

Ideas guy here.

Banjo-Threeie should be about LOOKING for Tootie. That was the set-up you had from Tooie based on CKL. You go to new lands in search for Banjo’s sister and along the way you come across Grunty’s new nefarious scheme and you’re forced to stop her.

based

Yeah, okay buddy. Take your pills and go back to the Daily Stormer already.

>Deconstruction is still an idea. It's an idea to take something pre-established and twist it into something different. Maybe there's some value to deconstructing tradition. Does it not provide value to you personally by helping you appreciate more traditional compositions?
Yeah if you wanted to call it a mind-experiment in order to hear what music sounds like when all order and logic is erased. But that's not how it's being taught, students are being taught that it is the new advanced form of music, and then they write pure gibberish thinking they are moving forward. Of course anyone dumb enough to fall for this is just pathetic

What's funny is that Japan took traditional western melody, rejected Schoenberg 12-tone, and then adjusted one note in their major scale and made it even more melodic. Ever notice that Japanese music has a certain pleasantness that nobody else has? They're basically the only ones still making consistently melodic rock music.

youtube.com/watch?v=PTkCydC2VF4

Ok but what about Tooie's music and how much slower it is than Kazooie?
youtu.be/RAw-ZXwUUTA
youtu.be/O_lV5fm3IjE
youtu.be/t028IEHnlX8

This is the most fascinating thread on all of Yea Forums right now
Please, continue

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Oh yeah I think Japanese composers are by and large superior to western ones, and the best western guys are usually ones that learn from the Japanese (like David Wise).
I haven't studied music in a college setting so I don't know how they teach it there, but I generally believe that colleges are an awful place to learn from, especially in fields of art where you can apply any sort of "dude nothing matters lol" mindset and get away with it.
I don't really think there's anything to fear about it though. There's always gonna be idiots pushing out trashy low-effort junk and calling it high art, but I think there's value to the discussions that arise from that.

Makes a nice contrast with the boss themes
youtube.com/watch?v=tu1PfrddvzI
youtube.com/watch?v=jZOsNNlDI1Y

I think the game is trying to make it's theme as unfriendly as possible. The music does a good job of this

For me it's because the whole game feels strangely uninhabited. Sure there are some friendly NPCs around, but it just doesn't feel like they're even there sometimes.

Schiz music theory dude you're my new hero, I could read your shit all day
make a YouTube channel detailing all this and analyzing BK's music and you've got a subscriver for life, not even memeing

most of them vanish when you help them too

This is ominous because the vocal melody resolves as little as possible, it keeps trying to avoid resolving. It sort of gives it an eerie vibe where it never quite comes together

Pretty cool

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I think a part of it comes from the fact that Rare during this era loved to slap eyes onto everything, which pushes inanimate objects into the uncanny valley just a bit.

that's such a cop-out to blame it on the engine. A good developer can make something decent with any engine if they wanted to. Unity may not be the best engine, but the fundamentals are all there to make a good and serviceable game with it.

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no, they went from mario strikers, to pumping out souless mario games

Dark Moon and 3 are literally oozing soul
>but I don't like them
Okay

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How is this soulless?
youtube.com/watch?v=_1vsDB6RNko

I knew I recognized Gruntilda's Lair theme from somewhere but I never knew exactly what it was. I always figured it was a piece of classical music.

Dark Moon sucked dick but LM3 looks pretty great so far.

Yeah i'd love to compile all of my schizo ramblings on everything somewhere. I'm currently publishing a book but it has little to do with music. I'd love to just go through and look at the esoteric symbolism in video game music and stuff like that, I think people would love that.

Repetitive bass melodies that cycle between two notes back and forth were originally used in indigenous tribal rituals to possess a person so they could contact the spirit world. They would do this while drinking alcohol. You can hear the ominous intentions in repetitive a-tonal beats that go on forever. You hear this stuff in a lot of the N64 games, Glover/Donkey Kong/Banjo Koozie all come to mind

That's why I love Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger music, it's totally logical and great music

I've been replaying BK for the first time in 20 years or so, I found myself thinking about how the music is good, yet there are constantly parts where the music doesn't resolve the way you expect, and it comes off as bittersweet

>Dark Moon sucked dick
Yeah the mission structure was fucking awful but the interactions between Luigi, the polterpup, Toads, and other ghosts were great and it had some neat ideas

is that olivia colman

Reminder if you're emulating the game to play it at native resolution and consider using a CRT shader. I used the Interlaced Halation shader in Retroarch for my recent playthrough and it looks much, much better than just upscaling the shit out of the game, and is very reminiscent of when I actually played my N64 on old monitor.

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Chrono Trigger music uses chromaticism and "non functional harmonies" though
What do you think of this guy's analysis of CT music?
youtu.be/PuEKhU2sCBQ
Incidentally it's my favorite videogame OST of all time, so compliments on your taste mate

What do you think about David Wise as a composer? I've always felt that he was a more composed counterpart to Kirkhope's more antic style.

What do you use to emulate it? I really wanna play the games but fuck spending 200 bucks on an Xbone and RR.

while i never played the game, and I had to look up some of the stuff you mentioned (im somewhat of a theoryfag myself) i dont know why you thought this board/this forum would understand a word what you said. Good analysis though

translucent lines is not a crt shader user

The Mupen64Plus-Next core in Retroarch. It's currently the most accurate N64 emulator out there.
There should be a frontend out there for Mupen64Plus if you're not keen on Retroarch.

Japan took traditional western melody, rejected Schoenberg 12-tone, and then adjusted one note in their major scale and made it even more melodic
Is that why J-pop is so much easier to listen to than American pop music?

Yeah, music can give you emotions... but not nausea. You're only right about the scales. It's not like modern horror scores having subtle booming bass underneath.

>go underwater to the chain in Clanker's Cavern
>the music becomes literal horror movie music
>struggling for air
>hit the key, head back up to the surface
>sweating bullets, not gonna make it
>drown 10ft before breaking the surface
What the fuck Rare, this is supposed to be a kids game

I'm pretty sure this guy's using ancient Jewish satanic techniques in his cretion of art, right down to his choice of synthetic instrument.
Though I do not agree ethically with his technique you can't deny he's definitely doing it right

Damn, is that why it's so good
Fuck

user I think we would get along well except you seem to be a girl and that's cribge so I'm sorry but keep being epic

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idk, someone brought up Banjo Kazooie and I was so stoked someone mentioned Banjo being uneasy because I had wondered that for a while

Oh yeah I saw that, the composer for that stuff is so freaking genius I basically idolize him. I have an album of his music arranged for piano I listen to all the time

He says it's "non-functional" but it's more that the composer is just super jazzy. Nothing he does is ugly or too uneasy. He does things that aren't "normal" but it's really not too dissonant at all. The composer had to write music that had mystical moments and like "futuristic robotic" parts, that usually requires doing some unusual things. When he puts in accidental notes that still don't clash badly at all, you can't even really tell they're not supposed to be there. It's way different from what the guy from BK did

I only know what David Wise did on Donkey Kong SNES, which I love. That's def one of the better soundtracks for SNES imo. Klubba's Reveille from Diddy Kong's quest is totally sick

Did I really post a fucking commercial in that link?
How embarrassing
Didn't know that was possible
Let me try again
youtu.be/5zGqN1ZOEJQ

wrong video, post the right video I want to see it

>Is that why J-pop is so much easier to listen to than American pop music?
Yes, that is why Anime theme music sounds particularly "epic" in comparison to American cartoons. If you scroll through Japanese rock, a lot of it has these really smooth melodies that hit a sweet spot that American rock never can.

The Japanese major scale is actually less dissonant than the American major scale

This isn't me

David Wise is still composing and his songs are just as beautiful and melodic as ever.
youtu.be/301s-GDML5w
youtu.be/JFP4wn0dejc
youtu.be/Boqy0Q-4c_M

tihs is my response cuz I knew what you were talking about

Thank God, I don't want to hear that Chrono Trigger music is satanic
It seems full of SOUL

Imagine taking the posts of someone who's been studying music theory for what appears to be two days at best seriously

The Donkey Kong 64 soundtrack is basically just black metal. It's ugly as fuck, which was also made by Grant Kirkhope. Now that I know who Grant Kirkhope is, I understand why this game creeped me out so much when I was a kid

youtube.com/watch?v=oP_BQd0wivc

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BTW his name is Yasunori Mitsuda
And he's a genius
He got so stressed from the crunch of making that game, put all he had into it, until he got stomach ulcers and had to step down.
Uematsu (of Final Fantasy fame) had to step in and finish a few tracks for him

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Prove him wrong, then.

Nah bro, DK64 fucking sucks.

fuck off, i had already forgotten about that

when the area turned into zombies i had nightmares for days lol

>muh "REEEE I HAVE TO COLLECT BANANAS THAT ARE COLOR CODED TO SPECIFIC KONGS"

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Is this a crossdresser? The face, it feels like a crossdresser

No, it's Brittany Venti. She's a woman, but she looks weird because her parents are interracial and I think she might also have FAS or something?
She's popular because she has big tits and is also a cheerleader of sorts for the alt-right.

everything just went black when I did this
can't even revert it because it's the same when loading the game, just sound
thanks a bunch user

No she's just some ugly mutt that dummies follow

Close Retroarch
Load a different game for a different console, like the SNES
Disable the shader
Open Banjo-Kazooie
Load the shader while the game is open

I don't know why it goes black when you try to load an N64 game while the shader is enabled, but it should work if you load the shader while the game is running.

Oh, and it only works in Mupen64Plus-Next. The Mupen64Plus core doesn't like shaders at all.

I recently played through it for the first time, and the atmosphere is the perfect amount of fun and quirky combined with slightly unsettling. The music definitely helps a lot with that feeling, especially in places like Grunty's Lair, Bubblegloop Swamp, Clanker's Cavern, and Rusty Bucket Bay.
The last boss fight has some crazy good music as well.

>mentioning the music
you came to the wrong thread user
turn back

I wouldn't say that at all. It always seemed like a really nice and happy world, minus Grunty deciding to just fuck with people and sending out minions. With the loads of NPCs, there's always a friendly face around the corner. It's like those people who say Spyro 1 is dreamlike and unsettling, as if the enemies aren't total goobers and you don't talk to a dragon every 30 seconds.

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Music theory guy, if you're still here, I'm intersted to hear your opinion on black metal. It's founded on being dissonant, atonal, and dark (not just in terms of screaming and distortion, but also in the scales and melody), but also is heavily tied to anti-Judaism and rejection of "modern degeneracy." Is it somehow a different and less Judaic form of musical chaos, or have they also been duped by the Jew?
An example, if you are not familiar: youtube.com/watch?v=QAC3uw-r2AI

I think it's just the dated graphics that lends to such an impression.
And the music of course, can't forget that.

Well, when ones a chunky slow fatass it makes it a huge pain in the ass

I got it working, but I'm not sure if I'll stick with it. N64 emulation is already buggy enough as is, adding another layer on top of it seems to make it even more unstable. Supposedly Tooie is even worse off.
Does Next seem better for Banjo?

spbp

seriously its all in this. you get textures that just about take the n64 to its limit, then you get colorful and dark lighting. in bt and dk64 you get light posts swinging around and creating real time light, usually lighting up something scary. like the electrical room in grunty industries. good lighting is the key for something to be timeless. same reason fear looks good still. same reason sonic unleashed looks good still. and so on

What is it with Banjo Kazooie fans and autism?

I played the whole game with it just this past weekend and I never had a problem. I've been going through Tooie now, too, and it's gone without a hitch.
The only issue I encountered is that while I was trying to clear Rusty Bucket Bay, Retroarch stopped responding to my keyboard commands so I had to clear the engine room without a savestate crutch and I saved the room for last.

I've been using Next, though, because I recall having problems using Mupen64Plus in the past. I don't know if it still has them, but Next I think is the core that was created as the result of the Retroarch bounty to make a core with the same accuracy as Mupen64Plus standalone.

Anyway, have fun. I have work in the morning and I'm up way too late talking about emulating boomer games.

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DK64 is Rare's best game though you pleb fucks

I've noticed that a lot of "first game" fags, as I've deemed to call them, in series like these mistake sparse/inchoate worlds with poor long distance rendering solutions that are generally improved in the sequels to be "atmospheric" and "unsettling". Spyro 1 fans suffer greatly from this.

Just imagine, if Banjo hadn't made it into
Smash, we wouldn't be having this autistic conversation
Thanks again, Sakurai!

>suffer
How is it suffering, exactly? It's a genuine thing to appreciate it, even if the developers themselves did not.

Clanker's Cavern is not that bad if you are not a dumb kid. Rusty "fuck it" Bay is worse.

Anything is better than another Kazooie vs Tooie thread

Rusty Bucket Bay is great. It's one of my favorite levels. I don't understand the hate for it. Is it the anxiety the water gives?

I like RRB, mainly because sunsets are pretty.

It's the fan room and the fact that it doesn't save your notes if you die.

That's why you either do the engine room first or last

your loss
hey, music man. Rocket Robot on Wheels; a less iconic platformer on N64, got a pretty good score on IGN back then, except for a middling score for the soundtrack. Arguing that it was just "Peanuts-esque music with lots of jazzy piano that doesn't work." What's your take?

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What about the snow worlds in Gex?

what about this one? redpill me on this one please.
youtube.com/watch?v=O0WBDhfTsik

What does music schizo think of Pet Sounds and Trout Mask Replica?

You know, you make 2 assertions here. First, that there is the concept of cymatics, meaning different sounds can cause differently formed vibrations. Which I believe, as you can put sand on a surface and use soundwaves to make it jump in patterns. What I have trouble believing is, that these patterns are evil/satanic/demonic. What is evil to you? Just uncomfortable to listen to? Grating on the ears?

Banjo-Kazooie, like a lot of N64 platformers, feel very claustrophobic. Like every World exists in a very small box.

>Conker's Bad Fur Day
Pet project made by disgruntled British devs that was destined to fail. Completely broke the mold for what's expected out of a N64 platformer, introduces some very clever ideas and concepts that in a lot of ways aged better than the collectathon platformer format in Banjo-Kazooie. Large variety of gameplay, usually very hit or miss, and makes the game feel almost schizophrenic at times, but you can tell they really gave it their all. Movie references are dated, and there's a lot of toilet humor, but the humor really thrives in the sheer absurdity of the entire World and its characters.
>Donkey Kong 64
Vapid soulless dogshit that brings nothing new to the table, only exists to add "more" to the Banjo-Kazooie formula.

Conker's Bad Fur Day is more deserving of being called a cult classic than Donkey Kong 64 ever will be.

I liked being able to see the areas you'd go to off in the distance. It was just a skybox but holy damn did that shit blow my mind back in the day.

They should unironically continue on from Nuts and Bolts. Grunty gets given a new body in it. The game ends with Banjo & Kazooie getting their old moves back.
After you beat her in Nuts and Bolts, Grunty is sent by LOG to slave away in his video game factory, and she says she'll make her own game to get back at BK.

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Conker despite being a literal shitpost of the game had a 10/10 atmosphere
>tfw it turns night

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It didn't work in Kazooie. It's the main complaint people have about the game.

How could they design Click Clock Woods and not have notes carry over? This stage takes forever

I feel like Grant Kirkhope would get a kick out of this analysis of his work.

>Almost all of the music uses the harmonic minor scale with a sharped 4th, which is probably the most sinister halloween-sounding scale you can use.
It’s full of tritones but mostly by clever use of secondary dominants
Fun fact, Kirkhope chose the tritone because notes a tritone apart are the furthest possible from each other in either direction, and he thought that spoke to Banjo and Kazooie being polar opposites. So he stumbled upon that horror carnival soundtrack basically by mistake, just from trying to force himself to use tritones where they otherwise didn’t belong.

FUCK YOU FUCKING NIGGERS.
GET FUCKING GOOD. CONKER IS TESTAMENT OF ART OF THE 5TH GEN.
I DON'T CARE THE CONSENSUS OF FAGGOTS FULL OF CYNISM.

How can zoomers be so wrong in life?

Yeah sure, but grinding in Final Fantasy 7 if the absolute goat and le peak of gaming!!!!!!.
Fuck you assblasted faggots. DK 64 is fun game, you don't have to fully complete it to finish it or enjoy it.

Look at this pure unadulted pleb.
How can anyone hate conker for fucks sake?

Combination of great art direction and the N64's lack of detail in the graphics, making them quite abstract and therefore ambiguous, which makes it a bit unsettling due to our fear of the unknown.
N64 games on the whole were pretty creepy.

Cringe.

Tooie is darker

It's almost like a pun