BASED

Ready for shittier games plus more diversity hires that are severely under qualified? Then unionize!

>devs unionize
>companies offload the costs to the consumer

yes goy, join a union and let u- er I mean them siphon money from you

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Who the fuck is talking about royalties

How come the US is so against unions? When you had the most educated people in the world after ww2 over 70% of the workers were in unions.

Because look what unions did to Detroit. Would you live in what was once considered motor city for how industrious it was compared to now?

>Video game "industry" is almost 100% centered in korea, Vietnam, and china.
You know there are American and European studio, right?

I just want the video game industry to crash and burn, so we can get good original IP games from small dev studios again.

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You posted this earlier
Fuck off commie

>Only in the entertainment industry do the prima donnas demand a cut of all future profits.
Well, maybe all workers should ask for a cut of the profit, instead of sucking corporate dicks.

If they already make huge profit, they won't. It would only lower their sale.

>union is a jew trick
You are just using the jew for anything you don't like, do you? Union is one of the most anti-corporation thing there is.

That's what this is about. They want a slice of the pie. These are college educated, highly paid, white collar individuals. Nobody is forcing them to make games for a living and they don't have to because these skills transfer to other industries. They don't need collective bargaining, they could just not take the jobs. The police aren't going to bash them over the head and force them to work, which why unions came about. My dream job not being as fun as I expected it to be is not a valid reason to form a union.

>Because look what unions did to Detroit.
That wasn't the Unions. It was corporate greed.

>. They want a slice of the pie.
Which is legitimate seeing the high amount of work they put on it.
> Nobody is forcing them to make games for a living and they don't have to because these skills transfer to other industries. They don't need collective bargaining, they could just not take the jobs.
Except they already work in an industry who make huge profit,and it's completely legitimate to ask for a share of it, as they contributed to it. Only a corporate cock-sucker would think otherwise.

>My dream job not being as fun as I expected it to be is not a valid reason to form a union.
You job generating huge profit and you not getting any IS a valid reason to form an union.

It was manadatory for me to join a union when I worked at a certain store and all they did was take money out of each paycheck, I saw no direct benefit
Fuck unions and fuck commies who want them

If a jew wants to do something "for your benefit", you will lose on it. Guaranteed.

Read more about Detroit. Jesus I’m so tired of seeing this one city rife with multiple problems get its collapse pinned on unions. Look at other major cities with heavy union presence. Union workers make like 16 an hour starting and 24-34 with experience. Expertise leads them to 40+. These aren’t wild wages that crash an industry as profitable as automobiles let alone an entire city. it’s fucked skilled workers had to fight for them in the first place.

What's he gonna do come to Canada and force Ubisoft not to mistreat the dumb ass tranny's they hire?

>Vietnam
what

>I saw no direct benefit
How was the conditions of work?
when they had to defend the case of a worker (not specifically you) to their superior, how well did they do that?

>You job generating huge profit and you not getting any IS a valid reason to form an union.
No. It's a valid reason to start your own development studio. The employees want all the benefits but none of the risk. It doesn't work that way.

There are dev studios in the US too.

>$16 an hour starting
AHAHAHAHAHA yeah right, they make around $20 an hour starting, a toonie above minimum is really shitty I dropped out of college and I make $21 and I'm not even unionized

>Unions ruined Detroit
>Not the 1970s oil shit plus a complete lack of innovation/mistaken belief that people would buy a shittier product just because it was made in America

You probably don’t pay attention or weren’t there when they collectively bargained for whatever wage you were being paid. Average union dues are 400 a year, you’re insane if you think that 400 would have gotten you farther than if the employer could have set wages at their discretion.

Vietnam doesnt even have an electricity

This. People who bitch about their union not doing anything for them tend to not even try to engage with it.

>No. It's a valid reason to start your own development studio.
OR to form a union and ask for your right share of profit your job generated.
> The employees want all the benefits but none of the risk. It doesn't work that way.
That doesn't make sense. If there is no profit they get nothing.

Play Sexy Brutale and Void bastards

Between these people being the socialists he "represents" and his 3 mansions, why does he even bother to "represent socialism"?

I've never heard of any 90% of my games are Japanese a few British and Canadian (Rockstar, Ubisoft, Rareware)

Look up various US workers unions. They vary from location and profession. Starting is often 16-18, sometimes 20. This is still shit pay and doesn’t refute what I’ve said. You’ll probably make more unionized unless you go into business for yourself. Have you calculated benefits? Retirement plans are good.

Since you used toonie I’m assuming you’re Canadian or some shit. Just in general worker life is better there in so far as wages and unions.

>I've never heard of any
Retro Studio

Oh wow one and they made a shitty Metroid game
Give me super anyday

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If I got paid a starting salary of $16 I wouldn't even bother working a job that can be be unionized just go stock shelves for $14 an hour it's way easier

He didn’t get his money until he was like 80 after his book did well. But you got it, the ultimate scam artist who only had to wait 80 years to get rich off his evil socialism plan

You can't believe how hard I'm praying for unions to appear so the business collapses in a year.

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Where were you when based commie crashed the video game industry?

Yeah you must live somewhere other than the US. No ones making 14 bucks an hour stocking shelves in 90% of the US. Lucky to get 10.

>OR to form a union and ask for your right share of profit your job generated.
You don't have a "right" to the money someone else makes, you dumb commie.
>If there is no profit they get nothing.
They have their salary. They get that risk free beforehand. If game devs want a piece of the pie then they can forego a wage and take on the risk like the people who own the company have to do. Nobody guarantees their salaries.

>I don't want to be paid 16$ when I can get paid 14$

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I dont care about soccer I'm Canadian not a Euro homo
Minimum wage is $14 an hour in Ontario retard

>You don't have a "right" to the money someone else makes, you dumb commie.

Don’t need a right. We have the freedom to form unions and so we do so. Get collectively bargained

OH NO NO NO WHY DIDN'T THE FALSE FLAG AGAINST IRAN WORK TRUMPBROS?

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Union Jobs are things like construction why would I do construction for $16 an hour which is twice as hard than stocking a shelf for only a toonie more than I can get stocking shelves
You retards see a bigger number and think WOW BETTER PAY but is the better pay worth the extra work load? Yeah nah I don't wanna do tiling and roofs for $16 when I can just do shit all like stock soup cans on a shelf for $14

>You don't have a "right" to the money someone else makes, you dumb commie.
Who is talking about right? It's about demanding what you consider your fair share. you have the way to get it, it's stupid not to get it.
> If game devs want a piece of the pie then they can forego a wage and take on the risk like the people who own the company have to do.
And if their hard work create hug profit, they can unionise and ask for a share in adequation with the work they provided.
>Nobody guarantees their salaries.
Actually, most business structure DO guarantee the salaries of upper management.

That’s why I said 95% of the US. You think people are making 14 bucks an hour stocking shelves in Philly? Guess what I bet union apprentice starting pay is better in California too as well as the cost of living is higher. Pay and that pays value is variable. 16-20 is a starting apprentice pay generally. Nonetheless these wages aren’t crashing industries and cities, Detroit just fucking sucked. What is your point?

>Union Jobs are things like construction
union jobs can be anything.

Why do mouth-breathers always go to this "they don't have to do that job" argument. Someone has to and someone else will be getting screwed.

>I dont care about soccer I'm Canadian not a Euro homo
You moved the goalpost. You were proven wrong and tried ot make the point about something else.

Because unions have increasing pay scale based on experience and offer benefits like retirement plans, medical insurance and provide things like vehicles and tools? You’re not getting these things or ever getting a substantial pay increase stocking shelves. You see a slightly smaller number and go “duhhh what’s the point, the only factor is hourly pay.”

You’re fucking clueless

It seems to be needed for video games. The entire IT industry is laughing at game devs working for peanuts and endless long shifts to finish projects just to be part of video games and 10 other people waiting in line if they speak up about the conditions.

What am i seeing here? And why do i have the feeling these 3 blacks just occupy a spotlight to present their unrelated topic?

>wants to be POTUS
>can't keep a mike from 2 uppity mullata niggers
>some rando old commie white man has more balls to face the entire crowd, 2 niggers pusjing into him and another chimb screaming at his face

Observe how the White Man is calm, rational, postured, mannered but firm in his beliefs.

Observe how the negroid pack is hysterical, violent, screaming, irrational and desperate

>And if their hard work create hug profit, they can unionise and ask for a share in adequation with the work they provided.
That's asking for all the benefits but none of the risk. It's simply not reasonable.
>Actually, most business structure DO guarantee the salaries of upper management.
I said OWNERS, not managers. Managers are treated no differently than any other game dev employee. They don't see a cut of the profits either. The people who put up the money to fund these studios have taken on all the risk. They might just lose it all. The employees are saying they want to reap what those people sow without having to do the sowing themselves. They can fuck off. It's bullshit.

I actually want to see the socialists kill gaming in North America.

> The employees are saying they want to reap what those people sow without having to do the sowing themselves
Managers and CEOs are not the ones doing the sowing, user.

>That's asking for all the benefits but none of the risk.
No, that's asking to be paid for the work you provided. Your notion of risk is stupid, as if here has been good profit, it means the work has succeeded and the risk has passed. It is very reasonable to ask a fair share of the profit for the work you have provided.
>I said OWNERS, not managers.
The Owners is usually part of management, you know?
>They don't see a cut of the profits either
They often do.

this is your brain on /pol/

HAHA THIS WILL TOTALLY GET ALL THE KIDS TO POKEMON GO TO THE POLLS HAHA

>The people who put up the money to fund these studios have taken on all the risk.
Here let me do this for those poor shareholder risking their money. Man, Gambling is hard.

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why should i give a shit about video game workers again?

I'm not talking about managers and CEOs. I already said they are employees no different from the game devs and are generally treated as such. At the very top echelon they do get some benefits but they didn't get those from unionizing so that doesn't help your argument, it helps mine.

>actually voting for Bernie
how many layers of brainlet do you have to be on to unironically support this guy?

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>what are indies

>The employees are saying they want to reap what those people sow without having to do the sowing themselves
They usually ARE the one doing the sowing.

And no, if all the person do is invest money and nothing else, they actually have the duty to reward fairly those who made them rich.

Remember when Bernie was unironically the only hope for Trump to not get elected, and then at the last minute he drops out and gives to fucking Hillary of all people?
>mfw that shit happened
I dont even give a shit about politics or /pol/, but that was funny as hell

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If they unionized everyone would get even MORE. What part of collective bargaining do you not get? What do you think 1 person at the upper echelon would get if they demanded higher pay versus 20+?

Oh, I don't know, just not be a corporate shill who don't think it's okay for corporation to fuck you in the butt.

Bernie would have still lost to Trump all the same, and probably the popular vote too.

>Have offices that are gigantic playgrounds
>Fuck about until crunch time
>Get crunched
>Complain
I don't think anybody should be forced to work 100 weeks but if they're not getting overtime they should make a complaint

>Remember when Bernie was unironically the only hope for Trump to not get elected, and then at the last minute he drops out and gives to fucking Hillary of all people?
No. Because what actually happened is that Bernie lost the Primaries. Not the same thing as dropping off.

Don't try to rewrite the past.

>3 mansions means you can't advocate for a better system

Holy shit you're retarded. You can democratize companies and still have enough money to have three mansions. Keep licking shareholder boot. Remember, you'll make it someday :).

>No, that's asking to be paid for the work you provided.
They got that already. It's called a salary. They want even more if the game makes money. I'd be happy with that if they were prepared to give back some of the salary they were paid if the game doesn't make money but of course they aren't. They want a win-win situation for themselves and only themselves. What kind of fucking retard running a company would ever agree to those terms? It's simply not a reasonable proposition.

>Bernie would have still lost to Trump all the same,
He definitely would have win.

>It's simply not a reasonable proposition
It is when you have all of your workforce demand it or they leave.

>he drops out
Amazing how people rather believe in a convenient lie than the truth.

I don't really care for this guy but you'd think he'd be disillusioned with his position and the US after being thrown in the gutter as a democrat rep in favor of a potential ""woman president""?

>He definitely would have win.
this is your brain on dsa

He lost the democratic primary, i.e. being the democratic candidate in the general election.

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Man, I would absolutely love it if there was a similar push for Bernie as there was for Trump last election. I know it will never happen because /pol/ have infested every board, but it would be beautiful.

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CAPITALISM BAD

>trying to conflate anti-kike sentiment with gay boomer libertarianism
Kill yourself Schlomo

>They got that already. It's called a salary. They want even more if the game makes money.
Which they have perfectly the right to ask for if they want.

Sorry, but salaries aren't the only way for a worker to make money. If someone is able to renegotiate a better contract, there is nothing wrong with doing so.

> I'd be happy with that if they were prepared to give back some of the salary they were paid if the game doesn't make money but of course they aren't.
Even upper management don't give their salary back when the business fail and yet they often get to have a share of the profit too. Sorry, but that reasoning doesn't stand on a leg.

> What kind of fucking retard running a company would ever agree to those terms?
Many business actually DO give a share of their profit to their workers.

well yeah
just look at the sate of pokemon

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realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

literally everything about your post is top-tier cringe. kind of impressive.

Left is already doing their short-signed "reee the most electable guy isn't Based Old Socialist Guy, I'm not going to vote because I wanted him" schtick. DNC would be dumb not to go Biden-Sanders to pander to em.

>unironically thinking antisemitism is good
You must be over 18 to post here

SOCIALISM GOOD

I can respect the optimism, even if it's supremely naive. Fuck knows we have enough blackpilled faggot politicians that are only concerned about lining their own pockets. Way too many fucking multi millionaires as politicians, I thought amerifats were against being rules by royalty, but they just slightly adjusted their titles and everyone seems content with it.

>my multi-millionaire socialist totally cares about income equality, honest!
>your orange multi-millionaire capitalist is evil!

i was talking about your grammar, retard

Making Biden the nom is the best way to insure a Trump win. Boomers might like him, but no one else does.

That's my line. You'll grow up eventually kid.

Based developers creating new jobs in China and India. Cant wait for these tranny faggots to find out how the Free Market works.

Just like those ones that that had Hillary beating Trump right?

He couldn't even get more votes than hillary, he lost because minorities didn't vote for him which is literally the only thing keeping democrats afloat. Go look up primary votings by ethnicity for the democrats, Bernie got none.

The people who REEE on the internet isn't the same group of people who vote. Look at popularity polls for candidates instead of shit from what you see on the internet which is probably spoiled by your own biases.

How is John's dick, user?

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Don't alt-right hate jew because they consider they own all the business and abuse the right of the white working people?

I hope Trump 2020 is as entertaining as it was in 2016.

They already offload costs to us with loot boxes

Nice damage control retard :')

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Workers have got more to lose. They won't leave. They aren't fucking dying of black lung. This isn't something they HAVE to do. They just want even more cash on top of the already nice salary they have. When push comes to shove they'll settle for the nice salary. This is not a situation where unions are justified. This is just greed.

>actually wanting to encourage government to become even fucking bigger

imagine being this deluded

>Just like those ones that that had Hillary beating Trump right?
Not really, Anyone reading well enough could tell from it the difference was narrow.

If people with wealth can't advocate for socialism in a world where wealth equates to political power then you're effectively saying nobody can advocate for socialism.

This was such an embarrassment on their part

The election is decided by Boomers in random suburbs in Wisconsin and Michigan, who love Biden.
Every poll says Biden is the top choice for the left by double digits

>view of unions is THIS fucking dated
I bet you think that working 18 hour days is fine because you do it in an air conditioned office.

I had to join a union when I worked at a grocery store as a teen and all they did was take their dues and do fucking nothing for me.

One is a bit more credible and wasn't born into millions.

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>I cant tell the difference between socialism and democratic social policies because my right wing NPC script writers dont want me to to not be an ignorant tool
Capitalism is bad you fucking idiot. You're being exploited by hundreds of corporations who are using your personal information/time against you for their profit. Not only that but in capitalism you are subjected to the will of a disconnected board of directors and a CEO who dowsnr give a fuck about you. Social democracy is what only makes sense at this point, unless you enjoy living as a subjected corporate bootlicking slave. In which case kys

>everything is so corrupt and everything has too much power
>lets give them more power

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yea dude the free market will definitely fix everything, we just need to loosen some more regulations so the kikes can run wild

dumb old fart literally has never held a job outside of his sheltered education and politik ezmode life
fucking faggot does not know about union fees and corruption and laziness

What a load of shit. Most unions of minimum wage jobs do fucking nothing.

that would be ideal, yes

>maybe if I swindle them into a false war that they don't want, they'll be forced to re-elect me

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treating this poll as a concrete predictor for the outcome of bernie election is fucking retarded since it ignores the fact that bernie never faced anywhere near the kind of slamming that hilary got in the media and online

>State Side game developers unionized
>Whole industry outsources to Poo-In-Street
Thanks Bernie, ruined my games.

>He couldn't even get more votes than hillary, he lost because minorities didn't vote for him which is literally the only thing keeping democrats afloat.
He lost mostly because the DNC rigged the primaries against him (that was one of the thing revealed by the DNC email leaks), but also because he hadn't get good name recongition yet at the start of the primaries campaign, and at the start of it, most of the primary election were done in states with more black. As the campaing progressed more and more blacks started to support Bernie.

He didn't drop out, he got fucked over by the DNC

When?

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I'm Italian so I don't know how that feels like, but I can honestly tell you I would get arrested, because I hate loud people, I hate obnoxious people, and I especially hate high pitched voices. I would end up smacking them so hard they'd get their eardrums damaged. Max respect to people who put up with these fucking shrieking bitches without resorting to violence.

>You're being exploited by hundreds of corporations
In a capitalistic society it's impossible for you be exploited if you don't allow it.
>do you want to work for me for X?
>yes
>help I'm being paid too little!
Capitalism gives you freedom to try your own craft or find another business who offer better wages or better conditions.

this image looks like it could be a doodle of an FMA character

In other words it's not really about the supposed hypocrisy as it is preventing the lower classes from having any meaningful representation or political power.

Again, how were you working condition and if not for you, did they defend the case of other workers?

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This. Anybody who bothered to read even a single page of those leaked emails will be able to confirm this as 100% true. It sucks but it is what it is and Hillary is out now.

In the afterlife

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What are you talking about user?

>In a capitalistic society it's impossible for you be exploited if you don't allow it.

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absolutely based

>implying they can feel shame

Oh, fuck off. Working to a deadline is not something only game devs do. You know what happens when you work overtime? You get a massive overtime bonus to your wage. There have been situations where companies didn't pay those bonuses, e.g. Rockstar, but I would never defend that. Those employees were absolutely right to demand Rockstar live up to their end of the bargain. This idea game devs work 20 hours days every single day for years is utter crap. They do your standard work week 99% of the time.

>implying democratic socialism isn't just regular old socialism with a slightly different name
nice try schlomo but all commies are going to get the rope, including (You).

I know you're just acting coy, but I'm sure you've realized by now the biggest problem is that governments no longer run countries, corporations do. If you follow all the trade agreements, all the political decisions, even the whole internet censorship thing, you'll learn it's all corporations and basically no governments.
It's already flabbergasting that governments have half an idea to stand up to lootboxes.

>Capitalism gives you freedom to try your own craft or find another business who offer better wages or better conditions.
It also give you the opportunity to renegotiate your contract.

>Someone has to
This is the part where you trip into a pile of dog shit all over your face. NOBODY has to. It's not vital to anything. If nobody took the job or quit as soon as it became apparent how non viable it is, then the pay rate would increase to attract more people, or the job would evaporate.

The problem is that video games are highly attractive just by being a major hobby with a VERY low barrier of entry, so every retard and their mother wants in on it, so you have drones lining up for it.

By that logic we shouldn't have any labor laws or regulations. You might as well allow companies to start charging money for job interviews.

Really he lost the primaries? Shit I don't know anything about how this stupid ass country runs, I just thought he dropped out lmao

>Theory
Unions are formed by workers to make sure they aren't exploited by the employer, encouraging members to rise to leadership positions who care about the worker but understand the risks of pushing too hard against the corporation.

>Practice
People join unions under the guise its what you're meant to do, if you're not in the union then you're against your fellow workers. A vast majority of leaders within the union don't care about the workers and would rather line their own pockets and cause problems for the company while making ever increasingly extreme demands that strip away revenue until the company collapses.

t. union member

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>he unironically posts a RLM image who's sole thing is being capitalistic by doing patreon and releasing video content
oh the fucking irony

My working conditions were fucking shit. I was treated better by the management than I was my senior colleagues and union reps.

Working at that grocery store was the worst job I ever had and coincidentally the only one that was unionized.

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You're deluded, Trump didn't take any shots at him. You really think that after an obama economy where people are hurting people were looking to elect a socialist who had no interest in bringing back coal jobs and cave on immigration.

He would win blue states but he would lose even more of the minority vote because minorities love the establishment for some reason and he wouldn't get the white working class. Also since he never won the primary Trump never dug into Bernie's flaws like he did with hillary. That working class wouldn't vote for someone who can't keep a hold of his mic, preaches about taxes for everyone despite him owning three houses and all that shit. He was not attacked.

>In a capitalistic society it's impossible for you be exploited if you don't allow it.
Not without a substantial UBI. Without it, it is very possible and being currently verily done.

>This idea game devs work 20 hours days every single day for years is utter crap.
It's more like 16 hour days but lets not get picky

yeh and people notice this problem and their solution is to create even better government to get into bed with big business, its a positive feedback loop

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>after an obama economy where people are hurting

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>Every poll says Biden is the top choice for the left by double digits
So since he's in the clear lead I'd assume that the left would vote him, If it were more of a wash then maybe we would have seen something like back in 2016.

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>>implying democratic socialism isn't just regular old socialism with a slightly different name
It literally isn't.

nope its about getting socialism off the mainstream political discord, why on earth would you advocate for a system that has a 0% success rate?

>b...b..but my small homogeneous European countries

those countries don't have nearly as many welfare leeches and illegals sucking the system dry, and they also don't have to worry about military protection because guess who is their military? It's us! That's before we get into population, one small European country could replace the population of New York City and it would be less crowded.

you'd have to be a complete retard to think Bernies platform is in any viable, Trump has done more for the working class than this psycho fraud ever as

>Those arms after the punch

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>In a capitalistic society it's impossible for you be exploited if you don't allow it.
Imagine actually being so naive that you believe this.

>Capitalism gives you freedom to try your own craft or find another business who offer better wages or better conditions.
Capitalism allows Israeli lobbyists to successfully make it illegal to boycott Israeli exports, effectively trouncing our constitutional right to protest. Shove your nativity up your ass you npc. capitalism isn't meant to work for you, it's meant to make you work for it at your expense for other peoples profit.

this isnt true either, provide a source

lol what a retard

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>reparations
>unions
>bribing people by having the government, with your taxes, bail out fucking snowflakes who have debt from getting a liberal arts degree

if you vote blue you're running this country even further into debt faster than any republican can, thrice over
notice how companies fuck off from cities that go full retard, like NY and Seattle? way to lose jobs there and then increase your rent at the same time

>A vast majority of leaders within the union don't care about the workers and would rather line their own pockets
That's why workers elect their union representative.

Why shouldnt a company be allowed to charge for interviews? It would keep the nigs out

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>I am silly

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A standard game dev work day is not 16 hours. Maybe at the eleventh hour they might have to start doing overtime to meet their deadlines but it's not 16 hours every day for the entire development cycle. That's just bullshit.

who are you quoting?

nice reddit filename, didn't read
samefag more? nice rebuttal, sure showed me
(You) don't have to reply, won't bother

>time between posts
samefag more dude

>I have no argument, here's a meme
Depends on your contract. But yes, you can renegotiate it.
We don't really need labor laws, people should be free to enter into contracts with their own conditions. In fact I will argue that the only reason unemployment exists is because of regulation inflating prices for hiring. Manpower isn't an infinite resource and is also subject to free market laws.

huh?

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Look at 09. We didnt recover until Trump took over. He is a successful businessman and knows how to make money

I heard he's a vegetable now. Good riddance.

Your choice of comic newfag

>>bribing people by having the government, with your taxes, bail out fucking snowflakes who have debt from getting a liberal arts degree
Yeah, no, that's not what the current people in need of this are.

and people elected their politicians, that is working out well isn't it? just because someone is elected doesn't mean they mean best.

the fuck is this faggotry?

>people should pay money in order to apply for jobs at companies who's job is to literally weed out undesirables

And then you wonder why nobody takes you retards seriously.

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They didn't stuff ballots, people still could've voted for him. I'm not saying the DNC didn't treat him unfairly but they didn't stuff the ballots. Ron Paul was treated unfairly in past elections but they didn't stuff ballots on him either. The republicans did everything to be unfair and rig it against Trump yet he got the votes.

I don't see "I am silly" anywhere in there
what did he mean by this?

unions will help the workers but ruin the games, assuming the publishers don't just outsource development to chinks and pajeets in which case it will just be worse for everything

ITT:

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This single-handedly destroyed any shred of hope he had at being the Democratic candidate.

>all these commie trannies and CTR
really sad to see some people haven't ever had a job before

>b-b-but that's not REAL socialism
>it hasn't been tried before!!!
it's all so tiresome.jpg

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Oh I gotcha.

the fuck is this faggotry?

>reddit filename
>doesn't get the "i am silly" reference
You seriously have to go back

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>this incident single handedly brought back the word cuckold as an insult
Never gets old

Get Me Out Of This Godforsaken Hellhole.

But the Democrats are LITERALLY taking about reparations right now. You want to give away your money to people who NEVER were slaves? And maybe aren't even related?

Shoo.

>People join unions under the guise its what you're meant to do, if you're not in the union then you're against your fellow workers. A vast majority of leaders within the union don't care about the workers and would rather line their own pockets and cause problems for the company while making ever increasingly extreme demands that strip away revenue until the company collapses.

Compared to the alternative of you living paycheck to paycheck and hopefully under the kindness of the owners, they'll pay you a little more so you don't have to work 60 hours a week with no benefits?

why do you know about reddit filenames?
>>>/Yea Forums/

How so? UBI isn't relevant to how much is your labor worth.
>Imagine actually being so naive that you believe this.
How exactly are you being exploited if you can set your labor at any price?
>Capitalism allows Israeli lobbyists to successfully make it illegal to boycott Israeli exports
Lobbyism is a fault of the state and not capitalism. State cronism can exist independent of the economic policies.

>We don't really need labor laws

Gee I wonder why people reply with memes to your """"""""arguments"""""""""""

>blue bad red good
Because more cut to public funding such as education and clean water + MORE MILITARY SPENDING totally wont put us further into debt or anything.who needs an educated and healthy country anyway? That's commie shit obviously.

>Depends on your contract. But yes, you can renegotiate it.
Therefore, workers forming Union to get better contracts is legit.
>We don't really need labor laws, people should be free to enter into contracts with their own conditions
Not s long as an unemployment pool exist. As long as it does, Employer have duress to impose abusive conditions. Come back with that argument once UBI is put in place.

>Why shouldnt a company be allowed to charge for interviews

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because autism leads to knowing that a 13 letter alphanumerical filename is typically a reddit hosted file

not him, but another autist, so fuck off retard

I honestly can think of a bigger red flag for your cause than to have Bernie Sanders support your cause.

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obsessed

a proportionate response to your bait (faggotry)

>using 19th century ideas that havnt worked before constantly to solve problems when we live in the 21st century

every single time

You guys are fucking stupid it was the niggers

>They didn't stuff ballots,
You know there exist other form of manipulations, right?

Nice strawman, please, waste my money by giving it to black people who never were slaves and incompetent fucking faggots who waste millions of dollars on shit that will never be built, see the Californian highways and fucking high speed rail.

Shut the fuck up idiot, Democrats want MORE government, which is more inefficient, corrupt and first of all, lazy. Go fuck off to Venezuela.

>You know what happens when you work overtime? You get a massive overtime bonus to your wage.
top fucking kek this is not how it works if you're salary in basically any software development position, including game dev. I've been working in the industry my entire life and it is very rare to have that in your contract.

They. Threw. Out. Votes. For. Bernie. They literally made bernie voters use a paper voting form which they proceeded to discard by the thousands, until they were caught but by then it was too late

dont work for them then and go work somewhere else

oh wait the unions drove out all the jobs from the country so youre not stuck under the unions thumb, what a fantastic death-trap

socialist cock sucker has no response, just as expected. Maybe Bernie can give you one

Why are you so afraid of people being able to enter into contracts without the state supervision? The entire argument of labor laws is based on the idea that everyone but the politicians are dumb and incapable of thinking what better for themselves.

>i was pretending, no u!
damage control

>support mass immigration
>destroy your wages
damn nigga we gonna need some minimum wage up in here

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>>b-b-but that's not REAL socialism
It's not about being real or not, they are simply not the same thing
>>it hasn't been tried before!!!
It has in scandinvian countries and it has been quite successful.

Maybe you should be careful if your tired formulas actually apply, before uttering them.

Dilate

Appeal to hypocrisy is literally not an argument. Hold that L.

go back to Yea Forums and take your reddit obsession with you

Interesting kind of subreddit you browse faggot.

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>Because unions have increasing pay scale based on experience and offer benefits like retirement plans, medical insurance and provide things like vehicles and tools?
Most jobs have this without unions sucking up money???

>literal redditors here

>large mega corps with drone staff churn out shit shovelware
>lets unionize it goyim gotta pay your dues

Not 1 single good video game was produced by a large team. Every good game was made by less than 50 staff.

>Scandinavian countries and its been successful
LOL Go see Finland's failed Universal Basic Income experiment, everyone got fucking lazy and didn't do shit.

Armchair historian who knows actually no history.

>massively competitive market made the US a powerhouse internationally for trade and production
>as government control and influence grew, regulation exploded and companies out-sourced jobs to markets that had little to no regulation
>US production and trade drops by the wayside when they could rival china and india

...

>lets make government bigger and add even more regulations

You can stop projecting now reddit nigger. You got caught red handed.

>How exactly are you being exploited if you can set your labor at any price?
Because you don't get to do that in a capitalist society? What the fuck are you smoking kid? If you want money then you have to get a job. If you want to start your own business then you need to go into debt. you literally have no choice but to go through endless corporate hoops to do anything in a capitalist society.

Bernie doesn't support mass immigration though. Also only a retard would support their own citizens being paid pennies in a system with mass immigration and ever increasing automation

>posts reddit browsing
>calls other reddit niggers
what did he mean by this

that's liberals for you

>Therefore, workers forming Union to get better contracts is legit.
I never said they weren't. You probably are mistaking me to another user. I contested the phrase that capitalism is bad.
>Not s long as an unemployment pool exist.
Unemployment exists exactly because of labor laws, who inflate labor price higher than they are worth it.
>As long as it does, Employer have duress to impose abusive conditions.
You cannot really call a self imposed condition abusive. If it was the person wouldn't accept it. Second, you are literally drinking poison hoping to cure your poisoning. You really believe that every labor for example is worth a minimum wage?

>In a capitalistic society it's impossible for you be exploited if you don't allow it.
Monopolies, Oligopolies, and Pharmaceuticals beg to differ.

>But the Democrats are LITERALLY taking about reparations right now.
Reparation isn't about snowflake with liberal degree.

>You want to give away your money to people who NEVER were slaves?
How about reparation for Segregation? Can you deny that under segregation, families went under economical difficulties? Can you agree that without segregations, many families would now be economically better? And aren't many pople who suffered from segregation still alive, nowadays?

>conditions
Mediocre. Got paid minimum wage, barely any benefits, the coworkers were shitty, i had to do things I wasn't getting paid for or got training to do, had to pick up everyone else's slack (maybe they weren't scared of being fired because they knew the union would keep them from getting fired), and all for a shitty paycheck that they took even more money out of to sit on their dumb socialist asses. Oh but at least my job gets put on the line whenever they feel like trying to strong arm corporate to defend whatever sleazeball or hill they decide to have us die on. Unions suck. They may have served a purpose once, but to say they're in any way still important is disingenuous or ignorant.

>"nice strawman"
>proceeds to strawman
Wew lad. Maybe get out of your little internet echo chamber and compare Republican vs democratic actual policies sometime. You'll see how full of shit and retarded your post is

Nobody in the world is obligated to take libertarians and ancaps and objectivists and minarchists and all of those other philosophically devoid internet autists seriously or to debate you or your faggy opinions about things

anyone who uses the concept of the NAP with no sense of irony isn't a real person, you're zuckerberg-esque bugmen

your creepy ~free market~ and ~property rights~ worship makes you more embarrassing and even less politically relevant than the actual communists who constantly trigger you with their equally crypto-religious internet ideologies

at least communist types are sometimes out on the streets doing tangible shit and not just dogmatically shilling for things like online animal abuse and the interests of greedy corporations through a sad attempt at a soulless and sterile codified set of pretentious materialist ethics that they've convinced themselves makes them intellectuals instead of economics-obsessed social retards with political tunnel vision

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>LOL Go see Finland's failed Universal Basic Income experiment
The UBI is a libertarian concept, we were talking about democratic socialism

>everyone got fucking lazy and didn't do shit.
Actually false, overall, the result was that there was no lowering of economic activities.

Keep trying to deflect reddit commie. Nothing will take away the fact that you downloaded an image from reddit.

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>abloo bloo why was my union not my babysitter who gave me free candy and changed my diaper
How about you fucking complain to your steward?

I don't understand this
did this dumbfuck artist think an iphone is as important as cars or society or something? do they realize other types of phones from different brands exist?

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Yeah believe it or not having most of the population work part time jobs at McDonalds and Walmart while raising taxes for everyone and making people pay more for insurance isn't that great for the middle class. I understand that your mom probably paid for everything during those years but lots of people were losing factory jobs and lots of construction jobs were not paying well as they were getting undercut from immigrants. Wages in construction has gone up since him taking over along with pay in a lot of other industries due to the corporate tax cut that went through.

Guys this might sound crazy but i agree lets get this this unionization going in the USA, so publisher's can move their studios to better countries with affordable prices. This will not only hit 2 birds with one stone but will never all the trannies and numales broke and homeless.

>Because you don't get to do that in a capitalist society?
You literally do it. You can sell your labor for how much you want.
>If you want money then you have to get a job.
That shows ignorance on your part. You can make money severals ways without needing a job. You can take limited contracts, develop your own craft, invest in something, etc.
>If you want to start your own business then you need to go into debt.
Your own business doesn't require massive investment, something as simply as a stand can eventually become a success if good enough.

Id siftware, Obsidian, Bethesda

you're the one literally on reddit faggot

>dude let's just get rid of laws, we don't need people accountable to our votes acting on our behalf because if corporations had full power over what they could offer for wages they totally wouldn't coordinate with each other to deal with labor in bad faith, just look at how things were before the labor movement!

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even make*

He's bitter about being a failure as a jew.

Read a fucking econ book, lolbert.

My guy what are you even going on about. Trump's entire shtick has been riding on Obama's coattails.

Monopolies cannot literally form without the interference of a state. As for pharmaceuticals that's also a fault of state interference, which stops having a healthy competition in this sector.

and you socialist faggots aren't entitled to my tax dollars, now go back to sucking Tyrones cock.
And you don't have to be a libertarian or even right wing to know socialism is retarded

This kills the berniebros
Can't wait to start posting it again frequently if that old fuck decided to run again

Yes you got me, in an effort to find out where you downloaded that image I opened the page and took a screenshot. Good job.

Go sniff more glue dumbass.

>unions are shit, they dont do anything
>uh yeah they do, look at your work conditions
>they were pretty shitty
>OH, WELL UNIONS ARENT YOUR BABY SITTER WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO MAKE YOUR CONDITIONS BETTER?
kek, the modern socialist, everyone.

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fucking faggot

Pick one

>Introduce country wide workers rights, unions, regulations and benefits for wagies, causing business profits to plummet and productivity to drop, resulting in a weakened, useless company that eventually goes out of business, trashing the economy while other countries power ahead

>Limited to 0 rights for workers and unions with a focus on profit and productivity allowing a company to explode and become a world leader, greatly benefiting society and the economy, allowing the worker to buy high quality and quantity goods even if they don't get free dental and a free coffee every month

>Unemployment exists exactly because of labor laws, who inflate labor price higher than they are worth it.
Wrong. Unemployment exist because we are able to produce more than what we need, with fewer than the total working population. that inevitably cause unemployment.
>You cannot really call a self imposed condition abusive.
They are not self imposed if the other choice death from starvation.

Holly shit, you can't be that delusional. How do you feel trying to feed bullshit to make people miserable.

>>>/reddit/

itt: people barely making minimum wage complaining about safety nets and muh socialism, while they'd have no problems accepting them if the tides were turned

>Obvious /pol/ thread

Mods do your fucking job. Just because it's about video games it still clearly should have been posted on /pol/.

>You literally do it. You can sell your labor for how much you want
No. No you cant. Not unless you're a self made boss with no higher up. You are wishing that capitalism is a social democracy but that isn't reality bud.

>muh scandinavian countries
sure, let's ignore the fact that they're all white homogenous countries with no unemployed niggers bringing everyone down. let's also ignore the fact that they're countries are nowhere near the size of the US. let's also ignore the fact that the only reason they can have these socialist programs in the first place is because they're propped up by extreme capitalism. this shit will never work in the US.

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Why two different people responded to a question I asked to one person?

>Unions should be able to read my mind
>wtf why is a union that represents 500+ people in my unit not giving me personalized attention before I even ask for it?

Sure, that's why you guys hate corporate welfare just as much as you whine about muh welfare niggers and why consumers and workers shouldn't have any protections or else its communism oh wait lmao

Every salary employment contract I've had has stipulated a standard number of hours expected of me while reserving the right for additional hours, though limited, with an attached bonus. The only time I haven't had this is when I was operating as a sole trader for contract work. In that situation all that was stipulated was a minimum number of hours and pay per hour. No bonus for overtime because that's how contracting works.

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I welcome unionization, china has very cheap workers.

dude you need to go back

We don't need people to be accountable for others decisions. Even if corporations did, which is unlikely since as Google for example is offering maternity leaves out of his own pocket, you still would have middle and low value business to work for. And finally unsavoury child labor would be banned eventually without state influence.

>Actually succeeding power, money and rights to the state because you're that retarded, lazy and weak to stick to principles and act upon them to ensure that monopolies and abuse of workers doesn't happen
AHH SAVE ME BERNIE

>that's why you guys hate corporate welfare
what part did I defend that you stupid welfare nigger?

Seems like my experience was similar to another user and he gave his two cents. Nothing wrong with that.

jesus christ this asshole is standing in front of the pennsylvania capitol building

>How so? UBI isn't relevant to how much is your labor worth.
An UBI mean a potential employee don't have to accept a job if the condition of work/pay are shitty. It put them on equal footing for negotiation, instead of the employee being at the whim of the person who hold his source of subsistance.

Why would it be banned? You'd have all of the major companies pay trillions of dollars to sway public opinion that it's okay.

Bernie's policies killed hundreds of thousands of minorities women Muslims and foreigners. And tens of thousands of gays. Bernie is the racist sexist homophobic xenophile bigot.

>look at your work conditions
This is the biggest fucking meme. It was productivity that improved worker conditions, not fucking unions.

Dilate you fucking freak.

you mad?

The part where you outed yourself as a corporate dicksucking nigger

>hernie panders
Gun grabbing kike that needs to die already.

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>Scandinavia
>white homogenous

Have you been living under a rock these past few years

A good example is Hostess.

Whole company shut down because one Union was retarded and wouldn't cooperate with the company; losing everybody their jobs.

Unions are often unreasonable, and it isn't always fair that an employer can't discipline or fire the employees; it's sometimes necessary.

Unions are only wholly good if you view the concept of a corporation as wholly bad, which is a naïve viewpoint.

Libertarians aren't even anti-union. We're just against public sector unions and unions that lobby. Collective bargaining has its place in free market capitalism.

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Well, not for long I guess.

making shit up, like a true socialist cock sucker

I actually did several. Which you believe I should read?
>Unemployment exist because we are able to produce more than what we need
That's actually not true, lots of companies are lacking labor. There are also markets too that the prospect of growth is unlimited, you should consider that before making such statements.
>They are not self imposed if the other choice death from starvation.
The other choice is basically using your own labor for yourself.

Oh, lol I was thinking about where the hardware comes from.

t. pedo jew

>sure, let's ignore the fact that they're all white homogenous countries with no niggers bringing everyone down. let's also ignore the fact that they're countries are nowhere near the size of the US.
Indeed, let's ingor that, because it is effectively not the reason they do well.
>no unemployed
The low unemployment is the result of their politic, not the other way around.
> the only reason they can have these socialist programs in the first place is because they're propped up by extreme capitalism. this shit will never work in the US.
there is no reason it can't.

How can they not form?
You buy out all competition and possible means of production and ta-da monopoly.

why cant my thread about farm sim vidya get this many replies this fast it isn't FAIR

Yea Forums has been a reddit colony since 2012, far before /r/socialism and /r/the_donald tried to set up shop here.

>No. No you cant. Not unless you're a self made boss with no higher up.
Yes you totally can. You decide how much your labor is worth. That doesn't mean other people will agree with what you think is fair. You have to increase the value of your labor if you want people to value it more.

IATSE134 here

don't care.
I want my FREE SHIT!

Pro tip:
I give ZERO fucks about western developers. Western games are absolute cancer filled with leftist politics. I'm happy their working conditions are shit.

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>I actually did several
lol

heh...stupid entitled gamers think they deserve good games...
in reality game makers are the most oppressed minority, just because I sit around all day complaining about racism and homophobia on twitter my boss thought he could fire me and get away with it...big mistake shithead...
us developers work day and night making sure our characters are addressed with the proper pronouns, we proudly tell everybody about our gender studies degree so DON'T MESS WITH US
GAME DEVS RISE THE F*CK UP

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>unions
corrupt mafia controlled organizations in the US

>plus a complete lack of innovation/mistaken belief that people would buy a shittier product just because it was made in America

And why would this happen in the first place user :^)

>cuts regulations allowing businesses to expand
>reopens coal mines
>gets foreign businesses to invest in American and create factory jobs
>Threatening companies to not move their businesses out of the country with threat of tarifs
>kicking out a chunk of illegals to create less competition for jobs
>removes obama care
>Ending TPP

I could go on and on they are nothing similar and I'm done arguing with retard on this, you can say you like obama I don't care but you're a brain dead retard if you think he was a continuation of obama's policies or obama is responsible for the economy improving after Trump took over.

>That's actually not true, lots of companies are lacking
That explains why there are more jobs than there are workers and not the other way around. Oh fucking wait.
>The other choice is basically using your own labor for yourself.
Ah, the "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" argument, classic.

>That's actually not true, lots of companies are lacking labor.
Correction, companies are lacking highly specialised labor people can not afford the formation to become.
>The other choice is basically using your own labor for yourself.
Not when you can't compete with other business because those pay their workers too low.

Dilare you fucking leftist freak. You will never be a woman.

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Jap conditions are even worse. But japs aren't really humans so who give a shit?

>new downies
downvoted both

>An UBI mean a potential employee don't have to accept a job if the condition of work/pay are shitty
The worker can already do so right at this moment. The 'but he will starve if he doesn't' argument starts from the wrong premise that your labor only has worth if it's sold.
For the same reason slavery started getting phased out: it wasn't worth it.

Oh the irony. Keep sucking that corproate cock.

>Union people welding cars together FORCED Detroit car designers to make the same car design for 8+ years

name one thing the government does better than private entities

>Government please fuck my ass instead!

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Theft.

you talk about corporations acting in good faith because competition with other employers will give them incentive when there already is a historical precedent for unregulated employers pre-labor movement to have an incentive to do the exact opposite of providing benefits when their competition inevitably lowers their costs, and prices, with bad labor practices. This whole idea of "just go somewhere else or start your own company" didn't pan out as a solution then either, so basically all I am hearing from you is
>r-real unregulated markets haven't been TRIED YET
which sounds kind of familiar. If you want a near feudal society where an industrialist has near godlike power over their employee, I suggest you try building a time machine to get to the 1800s instead of advocating on here for wholly shit-for-brains policy ideas and spare everyone else from your mental disease

>yeah huh you can pretend like your labor is worth more than they'll ever pay you for it
That's the problem you dumb cunt. That's exactly why capitalism is bad. You are being exploited because your labor is worth more than they will ever give you for it under capitalism.

>Turning Point USA

lmao

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i think its a general reflection on smartphones as a whole, which are

Roads.

>no-no, stop proving me wrong!!!
>implying I didnt bring it up constantly
>implying i wasnt met with a "we'll look into it"
>implying the only time I ever saw them stop by and take the initiative is when we got a bunch of new recruits they wanted to smooth talk into signing their paycheck away
Lol

Probably not pocketing profits

the socialist babies in this thread using every logical fallacy and denying any sort of logical rebuttal or flat out ignoring is staggering

these are the people that post those 'kek' images of those pathetic literal who's that have been always weird throughout time; before it was the pokemon autist in the corner, now its some memey kek faggot.

go drink your non-dairy cappuccino, grow your beard out, get a new pair of black rimmed glasses, all whilst bitching about capitalism and so called 'companies that want to buttfuck you' on your apple laptop with a RESIST sticker, while your so called job is people eliminated by automation and immigrants
what can go wrong?

nuke this thread already, now i know Yea Forums is worse than Yea Forums, which says something since ive visited Yea Forums like four times since 2014

>you talk about corporations acting in good faith because competition with other employers will give them incentive when there already is a historical precedent for unregulated employers pre-labor movement to have an incentive to do the exact opposite of providing benefits when their competition inevitably lowers their costs, and prices, with bad labor practices.
Substantiate this claim or shut up.

A legal system?

>Corporations please fuck my ass instead!

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Lol. Highways in france are all privatized and in far better quality than murrican roads

>western developers make the shittiest games
>and constantly try to push their politics into vidya at every turn (but immediately attack games as "nazi" or "racist" if the game endorses the WRONG POLITICS aka not theirs)
>also the instant a company moves HQ to Commiefornia they immediately start banning and censoring games globally--even to the point of disallowing foreign developers from making games for their own home markets because ONLY CALIFORNIAN VALUES ALLOWED
>and produced an entire sub-industry of slimebag SJW mobsters running an extortion racket "sure would be a shame if i called your game sexist but if you hire me i won't :)"
honestly the entire western industry could collapse and cease to be and it would do nothing but good for vidya gaems

placing blame on a nebulous third party is childish

t.labor conditions in the 1800s and the subsequent labor movement. look it up dumbass

Anti-Union people have never touched a job that wasn't white collar or, because it's Yea Forums, never actually had a job.

>hurr durr I'm too much of a retard to bring a charge against my union

see If you want real arguments then start making them. You guys are completely illogical retarded animals.

>western
stopped reading there. I have zero sympathy for them because they shoehorn their politics in every game

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like fucking clockwork, i predicted your ilk 2 posts prior
see

I give up on you humans.

Why are liberals so god damn stupid?

Hey lolbertarian, how's your "live and let live" sentiment going to work out for you when you're living in a sea of hostile brown people who want to take everything you own and kill you?

like fucking clockwork, i predicted your ilk 2 posts prior
see

>Anti-Union people have never touched a job that wasn't white collar
you're a fucking retard, this is all about white collars going union

and t. someone who's worked blue collar his entire life as non-union, from hardware to food to fucking networking

seeds and leeches child pornography

>COMPANY BECOMES MONOPOLY AND EXPLOITS THE CONSUMER OR THE WORKER
>everyone stops purchasing their products and promotes alternatives via the means of money
>monopoly fails

0 regulations and a conscious consumer is how you counter an abusive monopoly, a retarded consumer market that constantly relys on a inherently corrupt political system is how monopolies thrive because government is always in bed with business and government regulation stops alternatives from growing when the consumer does become conscious

>You buy out all competition and possible means of production and ta-da monopoly.
Okay user, suppose that there isn't a state to put regulations and screw lower tier competition. Suppose you are a mining company and you want to make a monopoly in coal. So you go and buy a coal mine. Then another. Then another. You really believe the owners of coal mines don't see what you are doing? The next owner would simply ask more. The next owner more and the next one more. Even if you somehow had unlimited money to do so, which is completely impossible btw, nothing would stop coal from falling into disuse when another company found a more efficient way to use a replacement.
Second, suppose you sucessfully made a monopoly of cars. You brought all the car companies in the world. If you decided to just increase the price and fuck over customers all over the world, it would result in another company switching to cars and providing better conditions or an alternate way of transportation. You cannot have true monopolies without the state forcing the competition to close out or using regulations to cripple them.

Kill them first

Pot calling the kettle a nigger.

you're cute, I see you have no way to rebuke my tiresome patterns of liberals and your ways to squirm out of tough concrete data

Lmao that's not how it works and you know it.

And yet he worked less in his lifetime and just sat on his ass leeching

I remember learning about how in the Byzantine empire Jews weren't allowed to hold political office or banking positions, and it's one of the only instances in history where Jews weren't forcefully removed for being corrupt, colluding parasites.

Imagine being so scared of the people who own the West you deny truth so you don't look bad in their eyes.

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Unions can be fantastic when conditions are terrible. The elephant in the room is that the gaming industry can't unionize without either placing established union heads in place, which are corrupt and killed every industry they've touched in the last 3 decades or place union heads from within, which is universally socialist lazy pieces of shit that would only push for even higher wages (despite devs being paid double the national average already) and more paid time off.

A union isn't the answer here because the problem isn't working conditions and wages. It's the quality of hires and placing the wrong people in management. Neither gets fixed by unionizing.

>j-just look it up bro
This is where socialists always miss the boat. They compare previous labor conditions to present conditions, instead of comparing what came before. The conditions and compensation of the 1800s were far better than of the 1700s. It was only by increases in productivity could we afford to improve worker conditions in the first place. Try that shit before the industrial revolution and it simply wouldn't be feasible.

>everyone stops purchasing their products and promotes alternatives via the means of money
This would never happen because (((they))) have effectively lowered the average IQ of the population.

>stop giving a business money
>they lose profits
>either change their ways to win back the consumer or go out of business

that is how business works, but when its so hard to start a business thanks to miles of paperwork, rules and regulations on how you do things, why bother trying?

Well you better get on the ball because that will be your reality soon enough. Your white man beliefs won't mean shit as a filthy kafir.

This is basically my outlook on it now. I didnt develop an anti-union stance so much as a wised up to all the "unions are amazing" propaganda

>he's still parroting outdated economics theories

The free market is a theoretical that only works with all rational actors, just like communism is an ideal that only works with all altruistic actors.

Nope, I'm definitely smarter than you. For example: I can think for myself.

libertarians don't support state enforced open borders or state enforced integration.

You don't have to beat around the bush, user. They're niggers.

>own Govt attacking themselves with anti-microtransaction bill
>unionization
S

Just as I thought, unions are shit and it was my responsibility to babysit THEM and make sure they do their jobs. So this is the power... of unionized workers...

Woah...

>dude just use bing or duckduckgoose, that'll stop Google's monopoly on search

Your posts prove otherwise. I'm smarter than you in every way and you are incapable of independent thought.

yeh and a state regulated economy is a theory that only works when you assume that the state is filled with good people and that business doesnt own the state.

Libertarianism can only work in a high trust, homogenous nation.

Now this is a good post. It'll be ignored though.

>state enforced open borders

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He's already running user

Who the fuck do you think enforces the border jackass.

even then, the designs for everything is western. china builds from template, they don't invent shit

>no argument
>just restates why I already said
Wow, you've convinced me of your intelligence.

>everyone stops using google because they are shitheads
>go out of business

like i said, a conscious consumer. instead they are retarded and rely on the government to do something while being ignorant that the government
a) doesnt understand google
b) has money thrown at them by google

if everyone stopped using google for a year and used duckduckgo, google would pretty quickly change their ways, but they wont because the consumer is an idiot and wonders why companies abuse their power.

As long as the fucking unions understand video games, composing, animating, programming.
Thus far Unions have only hurt the video game industry because of their incompatible demands and invasiveness in the lives of creators. if it's run by a bunch of cunts who don't understand shit about fuck then you can forget it.

Health,research,education, public infrastructure, managers natural resources

>this is the pizzagate audience
lmao

It's not an "outdated theory", it's an absolute fact. Regulatory agencies get bought out by corporations and are used to benefit corporations at the expense of the public. "Rational" in the context of economics just refers to people make purposeful decisions, they don't have to be the correct decisions.

You have literally no argument and nothing original to say, low IQ subhuman.

Did you miss the fact the whole pizza thing was proven right few weeks ago? Not the pedo ring, but pizza being pedo related.

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>That explains why there are more jobs than there are workers and not the other way around.
Are you following the conversation? I pretty much said before the reason for that is because labor is too pricey. Lots of companies want to hire more, but they don't because that wouldn't be profitable.
>Ah, the "pull yourself up by your bootstrap" argument
What physically stops you from using your labor without selling it to someone else?
>Correction, companies are lacking highly specialised labor people can not afford the formation to become.
Not really true. For example, consider companies hiring illegals for low skilled work. You will probably say "they want to profit more", which is true, but they wouldn't bother to do so if they had cheap labor here.
>Not when you can't compete with other business because those pay their workers too low.
How much other people are paid aren't necessary tied with the value of your own labor.
Real unregulated market has never been tried. You are free to post a society where the state didn't have influence in the economy. Second while bad labor practices are subjective, concrete bad labor practices would also fall into disuse like slavery and child labor as quality of life standards risen.
>You are being exploited because your labor is worth more
If you believe your labor is worth more, just ask for more.
>b-but they won't give me
Then I guess they don't really agree with your statement. Therefore you need to convince them your labor is worth more. Why does the thought of making yourself look desire makes you angry?

Sauce pls?

No refunds. Jill made out like a bandit for that recount.

>I played mostly japanese games
>That means there are only japanese games.
You are joking right? This has to be a joke

He won, it's exactly as he said.

>It's not an "outdated theory", it's an absolute fact.

Your "fact" is a theory that relies on the assumption that everyone is an rational actor while redefining the term rational to people who make incorrect decisions.

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Only few super star games makes more money in super sales or microtransactions, other game industry from hobbies to small-medium studios goes bankrupt.

The government uses its monopoly on force and forces its citizens to integrate with immigrants. In a libertarian order, borders are decided by property owners. States have used their monopoly on force to suppress. Read Lew H. Rockwell or Hans Herman Hoppe.
lewrockwell.com/2015/11/lew-rockwell/open-borders-assault-private-property/

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>health and research
>private institutes make more progress in these two areas better than any governmental institute could ever dream
>private education is vastly superior quality than public
>private roads and transportation is always superior than government ran

i dont understand what you mean by natural resources so i wont date comment

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The godtier position is geonationalist
>taxes are a necessary evil to uphold society
>the fairest and efficient tax should be on land value, not income, sales, etc, etc
>the justification is that you absolutely own what you produce, but you did not create land
>surplus money from the LVT tax would be given to the citizens through a dividend
>strong borders and immigration laws
Protip. Keynes and Milton Friedman both said a land value tax is the most efficient and fairest.

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quick rundown on this for a non american?

>strawmans
>CORPORATIONS GOOD
Nice one, goy.

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>this thread again

You didn't even read the fucking post. Regulatory capture is 100% real and you're a corporate bootlicker to deny it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

>He
Who do you think you're fooling, low IQ retard.

>tfw my friend and his wife are staunch Californian liberals and fully supported Bernie
>tfw the wife still has her Bernie bumper sticker and fridge magnet on full display
>tfw they're dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to economics, science and government, but if you need to know the nicknames for strains of marijuana or the members in your favorite punk rock band, they're your guy
I need better friends desu.

Bernout gets cucked by sheboons because he's spineless. It's pretty simple.

so it's largely a fantasy, as everyone intelligent has already deduced

>enforcing national boarders without a nation state to enforce it
>Read Lew H. Rockwell or Hans Herman Hoppe.

The absolute state of lolbertarians everyone.

based

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I did read your retarded post, I don't need to parse through your retardation to know it's retarded. No amount of wiki links will salvage your failed economics theories.

>you're a corporate bootlicker if you don't accept my free market pure unreglated capitalism works despite the lack of rational actors
lol

>he actually believes /pol/ conspiracies
>he thinks poorly compressed jpgs are facts
lmao

>BUSINESS BAD
>UNIONS GOOD
>dude, supporting businesses is so Jewish that's why I fully support unio-

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Hey retard, do you know that medical doctors and lawyers have legislated mandatory unions (so do brokers and accountants to a lesser extent)? They also happen to be historically some of the highest paid jobs, what a crazy coincidence.

>fuck off commie it's called the law society, not the law union USA USA USA
Woah, dude, you're right it's completely different! The law society can only;
~Set the minimum wage for the industry
~Enter my workplace for any reason what so ever
~Mediates all workplace disputes
~Represents me if a complaint is made
~Requires me to pay them money every year
~Provides a whole host of services ancillary to my job

That pic is unrelated, I meant the liberal fatass from the same places as yours
boingboing.net/2019/06/07/ars-technica-writer-peter-brig.html

Nice copypasta

>Regulatory capture is failed economic theory
It's not even a theory, it's a fucking observation. Do you think lobbying is an "outdated theory" too?

>extremely valuable and highly skilled jobs are also highly paid

funny that lol

>>Regulatory capture is failed economic theory
Nice strawman, but that's not what I said you retarded animal. Your free market economics is not factual observation.

>I don't understand my opponent's position but I will continue arguing as though I do

OH NO NO NO

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It's just a massive coincidence that those highly paid jobs have unions. What a retard you are.

I've been talking about regulatory capture this entire fucking time you illiterate retard. Where the fuck did I mention free market economics or some kind of fucking theory?

>I don't understand my own's position but I will continue demanding people take my arguments seriously

I'm not paying for a fucking union I don't need and I shouldn't be required to to be an animator working on video games.

by that logic then a day laborer in a union should be paid the same as a doctor, but that isn't the case so union = high pay doesnt work

>I've been talking about regulatory capture this entire fucking time you illiterate retard
You didn't bring it up until I pointed out your free market theory relies on rational actors, you illiterate retard who should have been aborted in the womb.

There are no mandatory unions, and unions have nothing to do with the high pay of doctors, pharmacists and lawyers you absolute economic brainlet, it's the high demand, high skill required, and the large amounts of barriers in the form of schooling and fees that keep the average Joe from just walking into the hospital and getting a job.

Christ why are lefties so retardes

youtu.be/MtZ6UHYZ1QI?t=871

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I'm not paying for a fucking union I don't need and I shouldn't be required to to be a doorman working in the entrance of a building.

>Implying these weren't paid for by hillary.
The emails basically confirm that she was running massive psyop/disinformation campaigns against him, and that included paying grassroots activists to turn on him like the ones in this video.
There was literally no reason for them to storm the stage other than someone put them up to do it.

>millionare who made money by writting a book and having a goverment job
>millionare who owns thousands of wageslaves
gee i wonder whats differemt about them

Borders would be privately enforced, that is completely consistent with libertarianism. Have fun with your neoliberal statism that allows an infinite amount of immigrants to destroy your country.

yeah it's because union people wanted some more of that dosh and having worked in the fields knew those high paying jobs where what they needed to make mandatory.

That's not the same logic at all you fucking moron.

>my delusional draft dodging president who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and lives in a gold tower and fucked his daughter when she was a child knows what its like to be the little guy, promise!
goes both ways you fucking moron

Then you're wrong for assuming I'm the same guy

>Christ why are lefties so retardes
>There are no mandatory unions,

Lolbertarians calling anyone else economic brainlets is the height of irony. My fucking ballsack has a higher IQ than you do.

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you know most presidents were draft dodgers right? living in a gold tower doesnt meant anything and there is no proof he fucked his daughter other than a conspiricy meme

>democratic socialism
>socialism
for the 10 billionth times, it's not socialism you fucking retard
the nordic countries are social democratic. social =/= socialism

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>State borders without a state would be privately enforced, that is completely consistent with my failed economic theory.

lmao what a retard

Two people rushed the stage and started yammering about Black Live Matter politics and calling anyone who tried to stop them racist even though this was an organized event for Bernie (the balding guy who looks way older than he is). This event basically ended his political career because it painted him as spineless.

Chances are the two were paid to do it and his bodyguards were paid not to intervene despite the fact that people have tried this with other politicians here and have been caught/escorted out before they got that far.

>ITT: the superior white man has never read a book before in his life

R E A D

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It's just a coincidence that the "other guy" stopped replying as soon as you did. You're wrong for moving the goalposts.

A BOOK

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You do realize that Hostess shut down entirely due to the greed of the people in charge of the company, right? What happened in that case was that the company cut the pay, increased the work hours, and fucked over their workers super hard while increasing payouts to themselves and stockholders. The Union actually accepted this, and then, they set up to do it again. More pay cuts, more hours, and finally the Union actually did what it was there for, and said no, you're not fucking us over AGAIN because our workers deserve to at least stay at the pay rate and hours which you already fucked over the last time. In response to this the stockholders decided to mothball the entire company so they could make as much bank as possible and take their funds to invest into other companies and drive them into the ground as well.

How, in gods name, you can look at a situation like that one, and somehow blame the Union, it boggles the mind. The stockholders destroyed those workers lives and gutted the entire company rather than just keep them at the pay rate they were already at, after having suffered a pay cut BEFORE that, because they didn't care about anything but making the most money possible for themselves. Nevermind that it was still a profitable business, nevermind that workers shouldn't be treated as disposable slave labor, nope, all that matters is maximizing the profits of the stockholders at any cost. Fuck off you disgusting kikes.

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>State borders
No they would be private borders. How are you not getting this. The state currently allows in millions of immigrants, allows them to use public property without the permission of the public, and forces businesses to serve said immigrants by making discrimination illegal. Imagine believing the state gives a shit about you.

BOOTLICKERS

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You're seeing 3 blacks occupy a spotlight to present their unrelated topic

Name one Vietnamese game developer and a game they made

I remember talking to a guy from SF on mIRC some years ago, he worked for a firm there, and he told me they were about to shut down a branch over in Germany because people kept pestering them for working rights, against overtime and shit, whereas people in the USA literally have arguments over who has the privy ledge to do overtime.
If that's the culture you fostered, how do you expect now to go back on your steps?

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>National borders
>Private

Read a fucking book, lolbert.

You're only proving the point that unions are a labor cartel that arbitrarily increase the prices of labor and destroy competition.

If there is one thing that history has shown, ONE thing, that giving governments increasingly larger power always leads to tyranny, actual oppression and mass murder.

Communism doesn’t work.

>unions are a labor cartel that arbitrarily increase the prices of labor and destroy competition.

You're only proving the point that you're economically illiterate.

Unless you're from some weird dystopian European country I'm unfamiliar with, there are no mandatory unions for doctors or lawyers.
>hehehe typo!
Well done, how will I ever compete with a genius like you

>unions are communist

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>the most this bootlicker has ever read has been 2 paragraphs on Yea Forums

R E A D, NIGGA, R E A D

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Try not being retarded for once in your pathetic life.

Not an argument. Doctor wages are much higher than they should be in the US in part because of unions and the AMA.

You already get those, retard. Quit being a console cuck

THIS ISN'T VIDEO GAMES HELP AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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funny that healthcare is extremely expensive too

Thanks for removing all doubt.

R E A D A B O O K

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>Proudhon
Get fucked by Bastiat again lmao.

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I'm ok with capitalism because it will kill the western video games industry, and that will purge it from trannies, faggots and and whatever liberal trash attached to it.

>B-BUT THE WORKER

death to the liberal worker

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NO YOU WILL TAKE MY MINCARCHIST ARGUMENTS SERIOUSLY DEBATE ME YOU NIGGER LOVING COMMIE

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>Start reading communist manifesto.
>1 second in "relinquishing all private property"
>Truly a retard with no brain cells wrote this.
>throw it into the trash

I read this and is shit
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

>no intelligent rebuttal or evidence for his baseless claims
What happened poindexter? Too much work for your enlightened mind?

Exactly.

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Unionizing would also help to kill it so either way is good with me.

>healthcare is expensive in a country without socialized healthcare
>this is because of unions

were you goblinos dropped on your head as a child

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R E A D A F U C K I N G B O O K

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Objection!
This user is a fucking reddit user
>he has a reply and report button, meaning he is logged into a Reddit account
>he even has custom settings
Here is my evidence, this is a screenshot of what that page looks like on my browser.
Please, go back.

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>capitalism will kill the western video games industry
lol

get another image ya peck neck

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marxs theories have been btfod
>labor theory if value
btfod by marginalism
>surplus labor
brfod by marginal productivity

The US healthcare system is a disgusting amalgamation of private and public sector interests. Socialized healthcare would probably be cheaper, but it still wouldn't be ideal.

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For all the crying about socialist babies and liberals using logical fallacies and denying any sort of logical rebuttal or flat out ignoring arguments, I see nobody has replied to this post Funny that.

It’s the same philosophy. Workers demanding to choose their pay rate instead of letting the economy decide how much their time is worth.

Where'd all the time go?
It's starting to fly
See how the hands go
Waving goodbye
And you know I get so forgetful
When I look in your eyes

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good post

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Ideally we wouldn't have any regulations on healthcare and pharmaceutical drugs, abolish the FDA and get rid of all mandatory drug testing because uhhhh regulatory capture

>ITT: has taken one Econ 101 class and believes he can now "BTFO" Marxism

R E A D A B O O K

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the weakling bernie sanders lets some randoms walk on stage and take over the mic

Happened in Shitattle....oops i mean Seattle

>it still wouldn't be ideal
of course not retard but there's a good fucking reason every well developed country in the world has socialized healthcare

Because it's as solid of an argument as "someone got shot, ban all guns". A company was run by douchebags and then collapsed. What justification does that give to change over to a form of economic control that has collapsed 100% of the time it's been implemented?

Dude the invisible hand is jerking me off right now.

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b-but we need to stand for the gamedev!! even tho they are okay with pushing for trannies, niggers, unironic shilling for communism and the belief that video games should be movies and not fun things!!!!

FEEL THE BERN

Because poor pieces of shit vote themselves gibs, that's why.

Are you denying that big pharma is propped up by the government? You'd think a board that loves pirating would understand how cancerous intellectual property and patents are.

Commie logic:
I dont pay for the warehouse
I didnt pay for the machinery
I didnt pay for the materials
I dont pay for the shipping and packaging
I dont pay for the utilities of the warehouse
I dont pay for the other workers to work here
I didnt put my money on the line at the early stages of the business
But I deserve every cent that is made

>Workers demanding to choose their pay rate is communism

How did this board become more politically illiterate and classicist than /pol/?

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was the USSR real socialism or not
if not, why are you using something from a literal piece of soviet propaganda

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fucking lm
ao. virtually no modern economist takes marx theories seriously. be it keynesians or austrian school
LTV is the flat earth of economics.

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This is why he'll never be president. He'd shrivel like a ballsack in a col outdoor shower in Siberia the presence of the chad Putin. Can't have someone shrinking into a background like that in charge of representing the US. He'll continue to funnel idiots into voting DNC, only to surrender to status quo shits like Clinton and Biden until he croaks.

Because the United States funds their existence by subsidizing their military.

I'm not pro union or communism but you have to be stupid to think that businesses wont underpay whenever they can.

lmao I'd rather live in hong kong than north korea or cuba faggot

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The solution is to get rid of government and allow big pharma to do whatever they want. Millions of people die because of untested drugs? That's the free market baby!

>You'd think a board that loves pirating would understand how cancerous intellectual property and patents are
Funny how none of these minarchist arguments against government intervention pop up in piracy threads. I'm sure its pure coincidence.

He's a tankie faggot.

>people shouldn't need to be licensed to be doctors
>insurance companies, which is already a borderline racket built on risk management who want you to pay them for nothing should be allowed to exclusively do business with people who are unlikely to actually use their service
lol

>Country maintains sovereignty by maintaining a strong military
Where is the problem?

If workers have a say on how much they get paid then it's the USSR. Making fun of kike enablers is soviet propaganda That's how it works.

Do mandatory 100 hour workweeks not count as "terrible conditions"? Devs are paid double the national wage because they are far more educated and economically desirable than the average person. They are arguably underpaid for the work and profit they generate.

Coming from the commie larper?

>obviously the solution to pharmaceutical companies abusing the 15 year old government mandated FDA process of bringing a drug to market regardless of whether it's the exact same formulation that already exists is more government
Uhuh.

Communism vs capitalism.

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Myopic and kikepilled. Look at the movie industry to see the trajectory vidya capitalism will go towards. Where it's just Disney gobbling up every major franchise so that the theaters will just exist to prop up yearly fucking Marvel and Star Wars films that make hundreds of millions, video games will fall under that same rigid homogeneity, since nothing else will be able to remain afloat. You're not supporting a crash, you're just supporting even less artistic influence.

Every country with a higher average income than the US has socialized healthcare

A fascist society has objectively better livind standards than a marxist one.

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Nope. In Switzerland you gotta have insurance

If you’re getting “underpaid”, that means you would be getting paid more somewhere else. So quit and go there.

Most people who complain about being underpaid are using skills that aren’t in demand, that’s why the pay isn’t high.

>The solution is to get rid of government and allow big pharma to do whatever they want.
I didn't say that at all, but ok. I'm not denying that the government can do good, I'm saying the cons outweigh the pros. For every good piece of legislation you'll probably end up with 5 policies that don't solve the problem, amplify the problem, or exist to prop up oligopolies. Big pharma exists because they use their influence to get favors from the government, this cannot happen if the government did not have the power to grant subsidies in the first place. The FDA has admitted to killing hundreds of thousands of people. That wasn't the free market.
apnews.com/ec19627bdb8643e586cbd42f84bd1d58

>Funny how none of these minarchist arguments against government intervention pop up in piracy threads. I'm sure its pure coincidence.
I'm not a minarchist.

i was talking about porky """""comrade"""""

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>chad Putin
putin is like 5'6", how can he be a chad?

The solution is less government, abolishing the FDA and letting pharmaceutical companies bring untested drugs to market. Don't like it, don't buy it. The free market will take care of it

Hey the airline companies also abuse government processes and create a monopoly so lets get rid of all air worker unions too. If Boeing wants to put out a fleet of airplanes with untested tech they should be able to. Don't like it? Don't fly on them.

true considering that the trannies are shilling for this

>objectively

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There's not, just stop pretending that the these "developed" countries could afford their welfare states without being subsidized by the US.

>He has a throw away account he must be a Redditor
Do Redditor legitimately not know how to argue without an upvote button? That's kind of sad.