EA's VP of legal and government affairs refuses to use the term 'lootboxes' in favor of 'surprise mechanics'...

I thought these were quantum swaps!

Durr EA are saints giving people the equivalent good sweet chocolatey goodness, and if you are willing to part with a small amount of money you get a little treat of their choosing.

>it's another pearl clutching thread where a bunch of degenerates who spam 500 threads about "muh artistic vision" and how much they hate liberals also need children protected from gambling so they can have their alt skins

he's not wrong, it's not the system that's wrong, it's the fact that it has no limits

>liberal a-ok with exploiting children
To the surprise of no one. Pedophilia will never be accepted.

quite ethical surprise post

>it's the fact that it has no limits
That's the system by design.

Kinder eggs are sill banned though

it is different
1. boosters don't require buying a console and a game to be used
2. they have real value and can be resold

>officer, it wasn't rape, it was forceful insertion
>good enough for me, you're free to go!

Yes and that was gambling too. MtG is gambling and that's why it has so many retards hooked

More like surprise men

This meeting took place in the UK where Kinder Eggs are still allowed

KEK the stuttering and damage controlling

The entire video game industry is exploitative of children

Nah they got unbanned iirc. And the only reason they were banned is cause tard kids could choke on the prize

>Electronic ”6 million isn't enough” Arts.
>>Implying there's any direct cost to selling ten, fifty, a hundred, or a million billion trillion thousand boxes instead of one.
>Implying you can freely trade boxes and their contents between other players.

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Kinder eggs are also banned because the toy is considered a choking hazard, not because it's random.

Those were bullshit too. The difference was they weren't psychologically marketed to children who are literally too retarded to tell they're being fucked and on such a massive scale.

If you can't drink, fuck, fight or gamble before a certain age, why the fuck should we let a corporation let children gamble "for small toys or surprises"? I know I got fucked plenty by those booster packs until I wised up.

user...

Yes they are wrong t_degenerate contrarian.

banned where? the uk?
they still sell those stupid thing at Walmart in the states, at checkout actually.

This is a key here, booster packs are your property, service games really do not want to be your property
Valve are still the only ones who let you retrade your hats and shit. Small blessings I guess

>says the mutt who can't even buy a kinder surprise without being fined 3000 dollars

Kill yourself ResetEra pedocuck

>Pokemon cards weren't psychologically marketed to children

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why do shills keep bringing up this argument?
MtG and other card game companies are extremely smart in how they got around this
all cards are worth the exact same according to MtG, the value of the cards are based on the second hand market which isn't run by them in any way

The difference is that while companies put value on items in loot boxes, MTG does not. That's how they get away with it.

That's why proper Muslim law bans this degeneracy along with Pokemon.

i just hate big corp

test

They were never actually unbanned, they just made an other variant that had a couple of crisped rice balls atop some chocolate that you scooped out with the small spoon provided.
All the chocolate part was in one half, with the toy being in the other one.

>they're not gambling
>which is why im changing the term to something else that doesn't sound as bad

does this kind of shit fool anyone?

>b-but MTG and the Pokemon card game could get regulated too if we ban lootboxes!
>W-what about gacha machines? Everyone loves those!

Good. Blind bag purchases of any kind are cancer and if they all get banned because of Lootbox legislation then that's fine with me. MTG players smell bad, too.

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Booster pack cards can be re-sold and have a value determined by the community.

They are also a physical good, and are resold as singles second hand for the purposes of deck building. The odds for booster pack cards are also almost always printed on the box as well.

Of course they are wrong, my little shill.
You can not resell/exchange them, so they are inherently different and worse.

Surprise! I'm not buying your game!

There's a huge difference between physical TCG cards, something there is a limit of, and infinite digital items which will be lost forever once the game is shut down. You absolute morons.

They're sweating boys. Will the US govt actually have the balls to ban their bullshit though, that's the question.

>compares them to Kinder Eggs
>Banned in America
What did he mean

...

Excellent Naughty Surprise

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Dude, fuck booster packs. I was a dumbass kid who blew all my money on those shitty card games so I know first hand how retarded kids can be.
I didn't know what the fuck I was doing and both the card manufacturers and the hobby store I sold my chaff to made bank by exploiting my childhood ignorance.
That shit is cancer and it should be banned. It's absolutely manipulative.

No, just as usual with these sort of things there will be 11th hour palm greasing and it will fail to pass or be altered to basically be toothless last second. It's how basically any attempt to curtail or regulate extreme jewry like this goes and I'm disappointed that people think it will go any differently.

Well Kinder Eggs are banned too, so not a good comparison on EA's part.

I am fine with protecting real children and I'm also fine with fictional scenarios that harm no one. Fucking idiot.

They aren't banned inn the states though.

they arent banned in the US

Booster packs are physical items faggots
Lootboxes give you nothing and take everything when the servers go down

Took me 4 posts to realize MTG stood for magic the gathering

Last I checked they are.
They’re a chocking hazard

They are, you guys just got different versions of them to get around that.

Can't open cases in NL and BE though

parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0bf5f000-036e-4cee-be8e-c43c4a0879d4 watch them spill their spaghetti trying to defend themselves

its the same name and same concept

“bUt iTs diFFeReNt”

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The absolute state of coping seethe hards seething cope from their absolute state of seethe. Unreal. Cope harder seething incel coper seethes. The seething cope is palpable in your copenseethe

Nope
Literally sold in Walmart. Go look again

Lmao

physical duplicates from kinder egg can be traded for cash/barter. Digital kinder egg duplicates have no such value (they're also part of skinner box gameplay to leech off addiction response to making in-game progress)

the fucking audacity

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They got unbanned awhile ago you retards

They simply can't help themselves, can they?
>Gentlemen, people hate lootboxes, how do we fix this?
>Change the name?
>Brilliant.

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they're not the same thing as MTG booster packs, but desu, MTG should have been banned too

There's nothing wrong with lootboxes. I don't care if low IQ people lose all their money buying virtual cosmetics, that's their fucking problem.

A quick reminder lootboxes will never go away because this is their target audience and they greatly outnumber you.

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Why would anyone stand with corporations instead of consumers is beyond me?

THe thing I, they are 100% right. There is NOTHING that wrong with lootboxes honestly.

But I STILL will continue to pretend that its gambling because the WHALES that OVERBUY this shit, even though they should 100% be allowed to spend their money however they want, ruin the fucking game for everyone else. If it stopped at cosmetics w/e, but its so bad now that even AAA games are becoming freemium because of whale gamers and all the content that should be in the base game is being sold extra.

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nigga just vote with your wallet

I'm enjoying seeing these companies squirm. I hope they try this same terminology swap in court and get laughed at.
>Your honor, these are not micro-transactions. They are in fact, uh, tiny mystery box sales, very ethical. *rubs hands*

>open booster
>can sell what I get
>can use it to play other people even if the company who mare the game shut down or stop supporting it
>can buy singles or trade to get what I want
Exactly the same thing.

>if I clumsily play both angles maybe this time i wont get blown out for shilling

>It's fun for the whole family!
>Who doesn't like to wast- I mean, spend money on a tiny surprise!

>surprise mechanics
That's almost brilliant

Now that you mentioned I remember buying gum that had random stickers as a wrapper. I didn't want the gum but I was trying to get the sticker I wanted.

its afraid

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You couldn't buy 1 million booster packs and get addicted to gambling at your local convenience store you outrageous faggot

Can't wait to see them market the game as "A multiplayer FPS with surprise mechanics"

you must be very low iq to not realise that profitable exploitation of low iq customers will ruin games for everyone

>believing or taking anything EA has to say seriously
I truly feel sorry for people who eat this shit up. They're such a scummy company that anyone who's been around for any period of time knows the most appropriate action here is to laugh at these clowns and move on.

Ethical this ethical that, what is up with the word ethical? I've seen it a hundred times today, mostly thanks to all the Tifa posters.

Why are liberals pro corporations now? Oh that's right, because EA spits left wing propaganda. That's literally all it takes to abandon your beliefs

You know they have an ace up their sleeve when they say nothing of import and are afraid to even adress the issue by name.
It is quite different starting with the psychological effects and thresholds.

They're likely hoping that this new term becomes "legally" a different thing to lootboxes, meaning lootboxes can be made illegal while EA keeps the upper hand. Scum tactics but I won't even be surprised if it works.

Your Honor, it wasn't rape. I committed surprise coitus.

Being a corporate dicksucker doens't seem like its a partisan thing.

>the free market can regulate itse....

Kinnda sorta. US versions are different from everywhere else if I remember right. You get an egg and a toy, rather than the toy being in the egg.

Your Honor, members of the jury, I believe its unethical to use the term necrophilia to describe my client's actions. What he did was a post-life insertion.

They don't though. Whales are greatly outnumbered but they spend more than everyone else, that's why they're the target audience.

>It’s no different from booster packs kids used to buy in droves during the 90s
and I wish I didn't buy them

What does ethics have to do with Tifa?

ethics department said big tits were bad

SquareEnix has an "ethics department" which they said was why her Tits weren't made bigger or something of the sort.

That sounds made up

eurogamer.net/articles/2019-06-19-square-enix-has-an-ethics-department-and-it-told-the-final-fantasy-7-remake-developers-to-restrict-tifas-chest
I wish. This is a fucked up timeline.

Literally in an interview.

It is.
>now
Is this 1975?
They're totally different and he's a mong. Those were stand alone entities, apart from any other hobby.
Lootboxes are a new thing, different than any other scam ever invented, because never before a hobby was completely mutilated to coerce people to buy microtransactions. It's like dlc
>WHO CARES IF THEY CUT THE REAL ENDING TO TOMB RAIDER UNDERWORLD, JUST IGNORE IT LOL
And this was 11 years ago.
Card games always had that shit, trading cards too, but they were meant with that purpose, they didn't deliberately inject themselves into another medium to milk it dry. Furthermore, you couldn't buy them with a credit card from home with a couple clicks. Unless you ordered a box of those, that is.

Is EA incapable of hiring a human being to argue these things for them

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Human beings refuse to spout their bullshit.

Humans aren't capable of making these arguments. They have these pesky morals. Don't worry though, the capable minds of EA engineers are working on a machine to get rid of them.

That should have said it was a surprise cosmetic surgery.

>'surprise mechanics'
you know something is totally ethical when you have to make up a new euphemism to talk about it

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>EA's VP of legal and government affairs refuses to use the term 'rape' in favor of 'surprise buttseks'

I can only hope the people that were listening to this saw right through this bullshit.

the abundence of
>THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!11
commets in this thread is absolutely disguisting.
Fucking moralfags are truly taking over the internet.

its probably just the latest globalist meme to have circulated during some recent child sacrifice convention

>they are not gambling
correct
>quite ethical
incorrect

but then again most successful profit oriented businisses aren't at all ethical so it's fine. don't hate the player, hate the game

>muh globalists
stupid cunt, kys

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its not slavery its a unpaid internship

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Nigga just dont buy it how hard is this I fucking hate you people.

They are hating the game, that's why it's going to be regulated.

i dont care about children
i just want to see the industry burn

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>They're totally different and he's a mong. Those were stand alone entities, apart from any other hobby.
I still wish I didn't buy them and waste my dads money for them.

>dont buy it
>whale that spends 2000$ monthly buys it for me 10x over
wow what a great solution, i cant believe i never tried this before

Fucking EA man, i swear

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Why would the people buying them be the ones pushing for them to be regulated. That makes fuckall sense.

Hu-man?

>>THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!11
Children arent the ones affect by this, it's the parents of the children who buy them.

Never, spawn of Satan homo commie
One day, you WILL be cast down by the pure light of heaven and our Lord and you WILL REPENT

It's not pay2win, it's 'power gaming'

>Nigga just dont buy it
We don't. The problem is the whales who do

>how hard is this I fucking hate you people.
Explain to me what lootboxes, p2w and predatory DLC specifically offers you that a game without those doesn't?

its the general automated shill response
it doesnt have to make sense

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>it's going to be regulated
Is it really? Lame.

>don't hate the player, hate the game
>ok we'll change the game
>WAIT NO

For those defending lootboxes and gacha mechanics, why do you defend them so much? Why do you absolutely need them in games. I legitimately want to know the thought process

The games industry is so fucked up gamers actually support government regulation. Can you even imagine the kind of shit show you must be running that people look to Trump and this congress to fix it?

more like autistic manchildren who can't deal with the fact that they can't unlock every skin for their awp or some shit.

Ban the second amendment it's unconstitutional and only Trump's stormtroopers should have guns this is why we need socialism BLACK LIVES MATTER ME TOO

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Only autistic manchildren and paid goblinas defend lootboxes in the first place.

To defeat evil, sometimes you have to ally with your enemies. Mainly because the general public is too stupid to realize they're getting played.

>Children arent the ones affect by this
They're affected in the sense they think things like this are normal.

gamblers usually hate their addiction and the people that use it against them.

Yea Forums has a big population of gachafags who actually brag about spending thousands of dollars just so they get the moeblob they want and brag about it online
these people are absolutely seething that their games will soon be banned and all the money they wasted will be meaningless

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I don't defend them i don't give a fuck about them. The whole thing is fucking dumb but you're not forced to buy it with real money.
I've personally never spend a single cent on these loot boxes and i don't mind an occasional roulette between games.

>I don't defend them
>you're not forced to buy it with real money. I've personally never spend a single cent on these loot boxes and i don't mind an occasional roulette between games.

I love a bit of hyperbole as much as the next uneducated retard but holy fuck man are you really considering EA to be more evil than the US government
Do you have any idea what our government does

>they greatly outnumber you
No they don't. The whole schtick of gatchas and lootboxes is that they survive almost purely on whales: .1% of the games population doing 90% of the spending.

They don't actually "like" lootboxes and all that DLC. The thing is that their brains have been hardwired to believe this is "normal". They can't even think of a time before microtransactions, hell, every time I bring up the fact that games used to just be "the game" and nothing else, they just don't want to hear it.

Also the whales especially put a lot of money into those predatory practices. If it gets regulated, then all that time basically meant nothing. They would lose it.

Why should video games have real money roulettes outside of casinos?

Aren't kinder eggs illegal in the US?

That makes me wonder.
Is a moeblob more or less valuable based on how little you had to spend to get it.
Like is the one gotten first try worth more than the one that took $100?
>implying there's any actual value but lets pretend for a second

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Maybe they'll learn their lesson early on and not blow their own children's entire inheritance at Vegas

>i don't give a fuck about them.
If you don't give a fuck about them why are you in this thread?

>The whole thing is fucking dumb but you're not forced to buy it with real money.
You're right. WE are not. But this isn't about us, this is about the many many retards who engage in those practices and thus, the entire gaming market shifts to catering to those people. If the industry could shift to being like mobile games, they would do it in a heartbeat

NOOOOOOOOOOOO
I SPEND THOUSANDS YOU CANT DO THIS
AAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHH

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This is basic capitalism. People are buying shit of their free will, and it's not a health hazard or environmental hazard or an addictive substance or a monopoly or anything else that would warrant a justified regulation. It's you and people like you being literally too fucking stupid to be responsible with your money, and that's on you.

were you also mad when EA won all those golden poo awards

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>are you really considering EA to be more evil than the US government
I consider both to be bad but only one is relevant to vidya right now and ruining mine and basically everybody's experience due to predatory DLC and microtransactions being the norm

Remember guys
>SELF REGULATION WORKS!!!

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So? I don't give a fuck if they're gone or not.
The fact that there are people actually angry that
loot boxes exist is what i find amusing though.

Government isn't stupid and this will just make the government just make the law even more vague and more brutal on assraping game companies for unregulated predatory gambling actuons on the young and the retarded and it will force game companies to either reshape their shit and actually wipe their asses for once or shut down completely.

And there is not a goddamn thing those fucking AAA cunts and their drones of retarded shills like Yea Forums can do about it to stop the government from putting an end to this cancerous shit in the first place.

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This, holy shit. The amount of people with a voice in the industry and communities that have literally zero experience from before all of this become common is disgusting. Talking to people who say they won't play a game if there isn't a grind or they can't sink money into it is the most confusing and backwards shit.

>It's you and people like you being literally too fucking stupid to be responsible with your money,
YOU STUPID FUCK, THIS ISN'T ABOUT US. If people were actually "for" lootboxes, why would they be defending regulation.

I think in this specific case it's just the UK. America isn't known for consumer's rights. But a mandatory change in the EU/Australia/UK can usually force them to change in the rest of the world. Just look at Valve not adding refunds until it was mandated by Australia. By that point they might as well apply that change to the world.

>exploitation
No such thing.
>will ruin games for everyone
Games have already been ruined. Mainstream games haven't been targeting me for over 15 years. They make games for the 90 IQ shitskins now.

look on the bright side, your waifus will only go up in value after lootboxes are banned--oh right they're just jpegs and not material items that appreciate...

>This is basic capitalism. People are buying shit of their free will, and it's not a health hazard or environmental hazard or an addictive substance or a monopoly or anything else that would warrant a justified regulation. It's you and people like you being literally too fucking stupid to be responsible with your money, and that's on you.

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Based EA, not giving in to manchildren and the goberment.

Instead they'll spend it in Fortnite.

nice surface level thinking there. you really thought that one through

the value usually goes from ''vanilla moeblob'' to ''EPIC GOLD DRESS CRYSTAL EARRING MOEBLOB DELUXE'' wich isnt worth much more but the ''RARE LIMITED MONTHLY MOEBLOB''
you spend the same money but the game dangles the prospect of getting the rare limited moeblob in your face by giving you slightly better moeblobs than the vanilla one

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> this is about the many many retards who engage in those practices and thus, the entire gaming market shifts to catering to those people. If the industry could shift to being like mobile games, they would do it in a heartbeat
games are SERIUS business!!11111111111
>"why are you on Yea Forums then????"
because i still play them, i'm a casual scumbag tho

We're not selling lootboxes, we're selling fun bucks that can be traded for ambiguous treats that can be broken down into obfuscated resources that you refine into impartial materials that are combined to make the SHIT YOU ACTUALLY WANTED

>Government isn't stupid

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Who the fuck buys lootboxes in shit like that aside from China anyway? I've never met a single person to do so aside from CS/MOBA shit and ever then it was 60$ a year total maximum

In other words "don't hate the player, don't hate the game, just lay down and spread your asscheeks"
>It's you and people like you being literally too fucking stupid to be responsible with your money, and that's on you.
Hey stupid:

Imagine this being the best your Legal VP could come up with. Loot boxes are finished

>No such thing.
Then explain gacha?

>Games have already been ruined.
Only if you're playing stuff with microtransactions in it

spbp

>they are not gambling
you pay for getting a random something
sure sounds like gambling

I've probably been madder at EA longer than you've been alive little one

Ignorance is bliss
It's all interconnected even if you're not aware of it.

Not to mention the cards are physical items that you can trade or sell, which isn't always the case for video games items that require cash. They also don't disappear after being used once.

interesting, I'm playing a mmo atm and I have noticed a lot of changes occuring, with devs scrambling to replace lootbox mechanics with grind and more straightforward payments etc... and it just dawned on me they might be trying to replace lootboxes because of this law

Based EA dicksucker

>Who the fuck buys lootboxes in shit like that aside from China anyway
Heard of Fortnite? Overwatch? FIFA? Gacha (that's not just Japan)? The live service games like FO76 and Anthem are basically microtransaction central

It's a gamble.

It's by definiiton.

What don't they get about this..

Gaylordes-R-Us?

I just want games to go back to implementing in challenges to beat to get costumes.

So according to you, people should just do nothing?

inb4
>but you get something

I was playing Dungeon Keeper while you were still swimming in your dads ballsack, kiddo.

i kinda agree to a point, yugioh and pokemon card booster packs are gambling too in a way
but unlike fifa those are physical objects

>wah wah
>I have no self-control and need to goberment to protect me from myself
Cry harder manchild. It's your own fault and you know it.

quite ethical surprise post!

>EA bad

>I don't defend them
>defends them

When it comes to regulating game companies they aren't dumb since they actually have a good reason to do this in the first place you fucking retarded shill

>The US
No company is worried the US will regulate them. They own the US regulators. They're worried about the EU.

>yugioh and pokemon card booster packs are gambling too in a way
No they're not because they are
-real
-you can sell them back on a market
-tradable and exchangable objects

>wah wah self control da gubmaent
>mmmm yes give me more of that seamen EA mmmmmm yes fill my ass with it
Based dicksucker

Are people trying to turn EA into the new Orange man bad thing?

kill yourself shill

>Fortnite
Okay, kids to show off
Everything else you've listed is unreal for me to process that someone would actually buy a lootbox there.

>guns kill people
>gun control bad
>lootboxes don't kill people
>lootbox bill good
xddd

EA people, sure.

Oh look, it's this debunked fucking arguement again

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>EA good

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100% Correct stament.

being robbed at gunpoint als counts as a huge surprise if you think about it long enough.
I mean you don´t have to give the guy holding the gun all your money, the choice is totally yours

I agree

>Everything else you've listed is unreal for me to process that someone would actually buy a lootbox there.
Putting all the other ones I just said aside, do you not realize how lucrative gacha is? Go look up how much Fate/Grand Order makes

>>exploitation
>No such thing.
What a retarded thing to say
>Games have already been ruined.
Then you shouldn't mind when they get regulated.

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

>it´s not slavery. it´s a new from of unpayed labor called "working in chains"

>illiterate retard agrees with me without noticing it
Manchildren are truly the lowest of the low.

>EA Ethical Department says lootboxes are ethical

If you don't care about games, why do you care about lootboxes being regulated? Like you said they're for low IQ folks now

Summoning the government to generate a bureaucracy to solve your issues will not work out how you think it will, it never has and there's a wealth of history out there that proves it if you'll only look.
If you think that's better than doing nothing you're insane. Especially for something as petty as video games jewing unattended children.
Carmack has it right, the government is a wasteful behemoth that ruins everything it touches. Exhaust all other options and consider just living with a problem before you grant them any more power.

It’s that, but they get fucked in the ass with a $60surcharge before they even get to play, and they never actually own any of the pixels they gamble for so there’s no market for players.

AAA devs deserve a fucking reckoning for somehow managing to be even bigger kikes than gacha kusoge

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>illiterate retard still guzzling cum from his corporate masters
EA shills are truly the lowest of the low.

I'm not saying that it does not happen, I've just never met anyone to even say "yeah, it's not too bad", it's always "dude, HELL NO, why bother?". I get asian market, but anywhere else? Not at all

>Exhaust all other options and consider just living with a problem before you grant them any more power.

So we should abolish all underage gambling/drinking/labor laws then? Lets abolish the SEC and the FDA too.

Because you're a goddamn retard who's drooling on himself and need outside intervention instead of developing some self control and raising your IQ above room temperature. No other reason to support regulation.

It shouldn't. In gambling you can lose. This is more like collectible card games where you buy packets, or kinder surprise.

If you insist on viewing trading card packs only as a chance to get a card with a high monetary value on the secondary market then sure

But strictly speaking you are guaranteed a fixed number of cards at equal value. The fact that the cards are random and have different speculative value because a 3rd party is willing to buy cards doesn't make it gambling really

Doing nothing is king, in fact watching games on youtube is also 100 times better than wasting any effort on playing them.

How many people do you think EA has posting on Yea Forums right this moment?

I rather dislike niggers

fuck off bootlicker
the video game failed to regulate itself, the ESRB should have labeled lootboxes and other P2W shit for what it is, gambling
if a sector fails to regulate itself you can bet your ass Uncle Sam will shove his shiny boot up its ass

>literally using the exact same arguments as paid EA lobbyist shills

Fuck off retard

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>free to play game comes out
>game goes full on pay2win trash
>drives away the casual audience
>game dies
>new free to play comes out
>adds pay2win
>game dies
It just keeps repeating itself, except now can't even gatekeep Microtransactions out of by paying an upfront $60.

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>caring about what happens to western game developers

>If you insist
i'm talking about lootboxes in AAA in general
>But strictly speaking
I'll be honest, I don't know what you mean, man.

A few at least. I still can’t get over them firing that Origin shill a few years back who would hand out codes, and he immediately turned around and admitted everything when the contract was up

Turns out short contracts and shitty conditions don’t make loyal employees lmao

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You're a fucking drooling mongoloid, literally arguing we should get rid of child labor laws and regulations against underage gambling and untested drugs and food
>b-but those don't count because they're hazards!

Only if you're a retard drooling on himself and need outside intervention instead of developing some self control and raising your IQ above room temperature. No other reason to support regulation.

quite alot considering they keep repeating the same 3 arguments
>DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY IT
>YOU DONT CARE ABOUT CHILDREN
>THE FREE MARKET CAN REGULATE ITSELF

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Sorry, that post was meant to respond to

Yeah I hate having safe food and medicines that are tested, fuck the government

Does the SEC still have teeth? I recently read about them trying to investigate YouTube, but Alphabet told them "lol fuck off" and aparently that ended it.

>Explain to me what lootboxes, p2w and predatory DLC specifically offers you that a game without those doesn't?
A jew rubbing his hands

Except that's wrong you stupid fuck

Don't forget the Epic shills and how they went quiet on June 4th. I wonder how effective shilling is on the chans compared to other sites.

>Then explain gacha?
I don't even know what gacha is. I never click on those threads, because I don't want to know what it is. I assume it's mobile shit. Mobile gaming is, like, just barely gaming.
>Only if you're playing stuff with microtransactions in it
The most recent good games, like TF2, have microtransactions in them.

>What a retarded thing to say
Short people can't see over the grass.
>Then you shouldn't mind when they get regulated.
I'm against all bad ideas, regardless of who they hurt. Regulations are something brown people need and they shouldn't even have access to video games.

I should have the right to buy a lootbox if I want to. If anything, it makes me more rich, because all the idiots are burning their money.

SEC still has enough power to force ecelebs to disclose endorsements. I don't know how much effect they have over youtube itself if they treat it as a "neutral carrier" but if you're using Youtube for false advertisements you're still legally liable.

only kids care about cracking packs.

most people over 16 are there for the draft and the constructed gameplay and buy singles for that.

>Short people can't see over the grass.
>Regulations are something brown people need and they shouldn't even have access to video games.

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>The most recent good games,
>like TF2
user TF2 is 12 years old

>I can't refute him, so I'll post a wojak
Powerful!

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TF2 is over a decade old at this point.

Why are lootbox shills so fucking retarded?

not even that.
ESA
The one who has the job of self regulating
well Is a pic related

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Ecelebs are just high school drop outs with enough free time to meet YouTube's quantitative promotional metrics. It's like regulating cashiers while being unable to touch the company that controls them.

Am I the only one who sees no issue with lootboxes/gacha shit for F2P garbage? Thats literally the point of the games, I loved the hell out of maplestory.
Its the faggot companies with the $60 price tag AND this bullshit that make me want it banned.

In an ideal world they do what China did and regulate the shit out of lootboxes but still let retards buy it. Hell make every single game with a lootbox in it rated M and require an 18+ ID to purchase just to see the companies scramble to drop that shit so they can sell their games in walmart.

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>my tremendously idiotic statement demands refutation

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>The most recent good games, like TF2
user...

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Booster packs actually have to have set values now.

>12 years
>over a decade
>the most recent
Reading not your strong suit? Do you have a strong suit?

Except cashiers don't get paid millions of dollars to endorse products on youtube.

>like TF2
Also least TF2 went F2P when it started to rely on the crates for its money. Plus, it has the Mann Co. store where you can buy items directly. Plus the Steam market to buy things directly that might not be on the store. And you can trade with people both on Steam and outside of it.
Not really the best comparison.

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Imagine buying anything from EA after 2010. Who are these people?

years
>>over a decade
Yes retard. Do you know how long a decade is?
I don't care about your arbitrary qualifier for games that are good but also have microtransactions. TF2 peaked before the manconnomy update so it isn't even a good example.

I accept your defeat.

user...I know exactly what I said. What good American games have come out since Valve stopped making games? It's all indie shit.

>actually comparing health hazards and biological stimulants to just you being enough of a dumb fuck to buy something you already know is not guaranteed to give you what you want and then crying "waaaaah why did you let me buy this :("
Comedy gold.

But you know I'm starting to see things your way. I really think they should ban the entire video game medium altogether. After all, they are proven to be addictive and potentially cause violent behavior. They've even been the cause of death in numerous cases. We need that regulation, wouldn't you agree? And then hopefully pathetic wastes of life like you who spend most of their free time in escapist baby fantasies will finally kill themselves en masse when your killing simulators get taken away.

Some of the best selling games of every year are made by EA.

also TF2 isnt balanced around Lootboxes
you can play the game perfectly fine without them

>Regulations are something brown people need and they shouldn't even have access to video games.
That's a pretty idiotic thing to say
>I accept your defeat.

>Sir! The reception to our monetization model has been very negative.
>That's for marketing to figure out. *hits cigar*

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personally i think that EA should die and killing lootboxes is the best way to accomplish that
you fine with that, you slimy cocksucking shill faggot?

The games they are talking about are FIFA.
So Europeans

Neither do most Youtubers. Typically, we're talking about people who have to spend 14 hours a day making videos about someone else's product and these don't have time to go to court.

Meanwhile Youtbe just has to say they don't keep track of YouTube, and that makes the SEC go away. I mean the imbalance is clear. You can prosecute the hundreds of desperate losers on the site, but not the site itself.

They shouldnt be able to sell magic the gathering to kids either without an adult there.

Tell your boss to get a new script, pajeet.

>Yes retard. Do you know how long a decade is?
"Most recent" doesn't imply a certain number of years, it implies a certain number of good games. Let's go back in time:
>Undertale
>Left 4 Dead 2
>Team Fortress 2
Found it. America hasn't made any other good games. What the fuck have they made? It's all normie garbage.
>TF2 peaked before the manconnomy update so it isn't even a good example.
It still has it now and TF2 now is still better than whatever the fuck character action button masher or console shooter you're going to tell me is "good."

And you can sell your inventory on the Steam market so it functions closer to the physical card game idea of booster packs, in that you can resell it. Although there's still the obvious problem of having to rely on the company not shutting the game down, making those items invalid.

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physical product vs digital product. different rules.

Tell your teacher to explain to you what ad hominem means and why it makes you look even more pathetic than just simply being a retard.

There are easily a larger number of youtubers making millions of product endorsements than cashiers getting that same amount for operating a register. I don't even know why you thought that would be a good comparison.

>Typically, we're talking about people who have to spend 14 hours a day making videos about someone else's product and these don't have time to go to court.
What? Do you know how court summons works?

Lootboxes and the entire industry surrounding how they're manufactured and marketed is literally no different from casinos and other environments that encourage full blown gambling.

These companies hire psychologists whose sole purpose is to drain the maximum amount of cash SPECIFICALLY out of children and those prone to gambling addictions. The 90% of the playerbase that doesn't spend money don't matter, they're irrelevant to the entire system that gets put into place. It's about enticing those that are very likely to spend money, and then KEEP them spending.

To say "I never buy lootboxes so it's not a problem" is full blown ignorance. It's like saying "I don't buy into telemarketing scams so they're not a problem" when the intention of telemarketing is to keep calling constantly until you find a dumbass you can take advantage of - fully aware that you're going to be blown off repeatedly.

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Yeah and day one DLC is "bonus content."
Dilate.

>You can resell it
Oh so steam lets you transfer steambucks to real money now?
Surely you dont mean you can sell your gay ass hats for fake money you can only spend with the retailer you bought the hats from?

>>Undertale
Opinion discarded.

>Tell your teacher to explain to you what ad hominem means
>you're a goddamn retard who's drooling on himself and need outside intervention instead of developing some self control and raising your IQ above room temperature. No other reason to support regulation.

Congrats, you played yourself pathetic retarded shill.

i get surprised when i see a thief trying to steal my wallet too

Underage gambling isn't biological stimulants you retarded faggot. You being enough of a dumb fuck to buy something you already know is not guaranteed to give you what you want like untested drugs and falsely advertised products and then crying "waaaaah why did you let me buy this :(" is your problem.

You're a goddamn retard who's drooling on himself and need outside intervention instead of developing some self control and raising your IQ above room temperature. No other reason to support regulation against underage gambling and prescription drugs.

That job must be depressing. I imagine most psychologist want to help people, not design Skinner Boxes.

I see she didn't explain it to you yet. You could even google it, son.

kinder eggs are banned in the US because the government is worried that the stupid fucks will let their kids eat the big yellow plastic shell on the inside

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Imagine being the lawyer who has to defend EA and claim that all of this isn't targeting children and weak minded people with the goal to exploit them

Some people have simply no humanity whatsoever.

>But you know I'm starting to see things your way. I really think they should ban the entire video game medium altogether. After all, they are proven to be addictive and potentially cause violent behavior.

The absolute state of lootbox apologists

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Why is it idiotic? Is gambling a low IQ investment of your money? Yes, no one denies that. Do brown people have low IQs? Yes, no one denies that. What are regulations on gambling for? To protect stupid people from doing stupid things. This is why the most libertarian people in the world are Northwestern Europeans, a.k.a. the people who invented 97% of everything, and the most authoritarian people are from brown shitholes. Brown shitholes that invented approximately nothing. If the world was just, said brown people would all be in their brown countries right now, but the world isn't just, and for some reason those brown people are all over the West, giving them access to things their people could never even dream of. One of those things is video games.

If you aren't white or Japanese, your opinion isn't even meaningless, it's actually negative.

You get the shit versions.

>It's ok when *I* use ad hominem
Keep digging that hole, pajeet.

Don't buy their games.
>But people will!
Stupid people will. Stupid people can kill themselves for all I care.

If you have to work 14 hours a day endorsing someone else's product for a yearly income of $30k, you're not much better off than a cashier. Maybe it's better to compare it to a door to door salesman.

The people making six figures on YouTube are a rare outlier and an artificial construction these days for that matter since the site is just trying to maximize an ad farm, not find talent.

These people don't take breaks because it'll worsen their promotion metrics, so if you make them go to court they wind up losing cash in opprtunity cost and harmed automated promotion. Their only option is to settle things and wrap up a case quickly.

Then you've got YouTube, who can fuck about and just not respect the SEC at all.

>This is why the most libertarian people in the world are Northwestern Europeans, a.k.a. the people who invented 97% of everything

Oh shit it's you again. Go read a fucking econ book you obsessed idpoltarian

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fuck off sjw

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"Its not gambling because children are too retarded to know what gambling is"
Easy life

Its completely different as those give you a physical thing you can resell or own forever

>all these kiddy's who haven't yet had to face someone they love destroy themselves gambling
>all these kiddy's who probably DO have someone they love destroying themselves gambling but pretending its not a problem
You'll grow up one day and realize how wrong you were

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>The people making six figures on YouTube are a rare outlier and an artificial construction

Not compared to cashiers making six figures. You have to be delusional if you think the amount of ecelebs making more than $30k/year is the same as cashiers and door to door salesmen making that same amount.

I want them to ban lootshit simply because it would piss off the EA and Actiblizz shitsecutives.

I don't give two shits about them exploiting weak minded people and children. It's not the states business to protect retards from even the most obvious scams - At some point it's better to go Darwin and let the weak perish.

I don't buy EA shit or lootbox shit either so this means nothing to me on a personal level either.

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You mean like Friedman or Mises? No? Anyone can write a book, user.

>pathetic wastes of life like you who spend most of their free time in escapist baby fantasies

The dipshits who are mad about lootbox regulations also hate video games? Color me shocked.

You're right, I would prefer if there was an option for that. I heard an issue with that is to avoid places like steam serving as basically banks or to launder money but I think it's just a matter of time before they either find a solution or are forced to allow that option.

>You mean like Friedman or Mises?
lmao

Libertarian here. We live in a free market spciety and government interference in the inner workings of companies is immoral. The Freer thr Market the freer the people. There is no reason to resort to big government socialism to restrict freedom and liberty.
Where does it stop? Are you going to run to Daddy Government anytime anything happens? It isnt the government's job to run society

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I'm a white nationalist who works almost entirely with Hispanics, grew up with a Hispanic, and is super close to a mulatto. I don't care. What's right is right, regardless of your feelings.

Pretty sure SJWs have a tendency to suck corporate cock, and the one slurping that rod right now is you.

Theyre mini buys.

Keep fighting the good fight, lolbert.

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>D-don't buy their games
>But stupid people will
Well guess what user, in your case there are a LOT of fucking stupid people who collectively give these companies billions of dollars in revenue through lootboxes. Guess why the vast majority of games now seek this business model?

Indeed. Pinkwashing is all it takes, they'll suck your cock literally and figuratively.

Did I hear EA?

DID I HEAR LOOTBOXES?

$$$$$$

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>NO U

Someone else's gambling problem isnt my concern. Thats a personal issue and it sucks for them but the state shouldn't get involved. Im not responsible for someone just because we are born into the same society

>MUH FREE MARKET
>ESRB has done nothing to regulate the industry and instead just accepted bribes from publishers to be all hush hush about the issue

Funny how posts like these pop up almost exclusively in lootbox threads but are nowhere to be found in threads about piracy and intellectual property law. I'm sure it's pure coincidence.

There are probably - what. A few hundred people making six figures on YouTube independently? If that? YouTube was bragging how that number grew 50% one year so it must be a small number.

But how many people each year win a lottery or come into an inheritance or something? Or do a commercial and make some extra scratch? Heck there's tons of freelance jobs in California where people work as cashiers or waiters between jobs.

"Youtuber is not some revolutionary job. It's just another kind of exploitative bullshit and Youtubers have zero political power.

>Well guess what user, in your case there are a LOT of fucking stupid people who collectively give these companies billions of dollars in revenue through lootboxes.
There's a lot of stupid people who collectively give these companies billions of dollars in revenue through their terrible fucking games. If they fleece imbeciles, good. I'm happy for them.

So you're saying kids should be allowed to gamble at casinos? Just making sure here.

If the ESRB did their job, we could avoid this. They don't.

>thinking buying a lootbox is gambling
>thinking being exposed to harmful substances is like being born a fucking retard like you were
What an embarrassment you are.

Are you retarded?

>Video games cause addiction
just like lootboxes
>A virtually unlimited number of video games can be bought online by children with irresponsible parents
just like lootboxes
>The addiction it causes has severe adverse side effects that carry over into school or other activities; such as sleep depravation, closing yourself off from social contact, or playing phone games in class
worse than lootboxes!
>Video games cause violent behavior
worse than lootboxes!
>There have been dozens of deaths directly related to games or gaming habits
worse than lootboxes!

You shouldn't regulate lootboxes, just go straight to the root of the problem and remove the much more harmful products: video games. I can't imagine what kind a retard it would take to support banning or regulating lootboxes but not doing the same for the much worse video games. Double standards wouldn't even begin to cover it.

>it's not theft, it's "surprise repossession"

Not an argument. Im not responsible for other people and loot box regulation is creeping socialism. No one makes you buy a loot box. The ability to freely.buy one is freedom.u

That's already a hundred times more that cashiers making that same amount. Being an influencer is closer to a career than winning the lottery. Also why does it matter if they're independent? Youtube networks that these ecelebs are a part of are also subject to the same SEC regulations too.

>"It's not stabbing, it's advanced acupuncture"

Fuck the Esrb and all regulatory bodies. Funny how statists want big daddy gov to solve their problems.
Why should the ESRB exist at all?
With parental permission? Yes, legally children are the property of their parents

You sound like the kind of person who doesn't get invited to funerals

lootboxes are not casinos though
there is winning or losing you're just buying pixels which have no value.
Sure they're random but they're still just pixels, you cant even monetize them these days.

>Im not responsible for other people and loot box regulation is creeping socialism
Are gambling regulations "creeping socialism?"

Do you understand how companies simply bypass these new legislations coming into play? Their games get rated AO.

An AO rating becoming a public standard for video games is actually massive, as it allows incredibly experimental shit that would never see the light of day right now become more of a possibility.

>thinking buying a lootbox is gambling
>thinking we need to regulate commercial substances because you were born a fucking retard who can't take personal responsibility
What an embarrassment you are.

>It's not a school shooting, it's a "sudden day off"

Remember guys, it's not gambling if you get a guaranteed reward

>Slot machine
>Put in a dollar
>Always guaranteed to get a cent back

Not gambling :^)

Regualtion is a distortion of the market. Regulation encourages monopoly.

>>>Video games cause addiction
>just like lootboxes
Wrong.
>>A virtually unlimited number of video games can be bought online by children with irresponsible parents
>just like lootboxes
>The addiction it causes has severe adverse side effects that carry over into school or other activities; such as sleep depravation, closing yourself off from social contact, or playing phone games in class
>worse than lootboxes!
Wrong.
>>Video games cause violent behavior
>worse than lootboxes!
Doubly wrong.
>There have been dozens of deaths directly related to games or gaming habits
worse than lootboxes!
Wrong.

You shouldn't regulate video game content, just go straight to the root of the problem and remove the much more harmful products: lootboxes. I can't imagine what kind a retard it would take to support banning or regulating video games but not doing the same for the much worse lootboxes. Double standards wouldn't even begin to cover it.

I could have fucking sworn Kurtwood Smith died already

>Not an argument. Im not responsible for other people
That's pretty unamerican of you.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968
???

If you dont like lootboxes dont buy them. Problem solved.

Lootboxes suck, but I'm still against the government banning anything.

>lootboxes are not casinos though
So?
You said someone else's gambling problem isnt your concern. Why would their kids be too?

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so it's nice of you to just thoughtlessly copy paste random words but unless you can start scrounging up arguments then this is the last (You) you get, you retarded animal.

Its actually very American. The core part of America is independence and not being responsible for others. America is a nation of individuals not collectivist

>Regualtion is a distortion of the market. Regulation encourages monopoly.
>The complete lack of any regulations is the direct cause of why Time Warner and other broadband providers have complete Mafia-like monopolies over certain cities

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Because they affect my games.
>they're not your games anymore
Let's see if we can fix that.

>Funny how statists want big daddy gov to solve their problems.
I've yet to see a single of on you call people statists for arguing agaisnt anti-piracy laws. I wonder why?

Not him, but that's never worked.

The networks have all but died. That's old news. But there are probably hundreds of freelance writers, artists, and animators working in Vancouver or California. The ones that get to head a succesful show do wind up earning six figures or more. It's beside the point, though.

The point is that you can't say the SEC has teeth if it can regulate Craig McCracken and fine him for something that was in his cartoon, but it can do literally fucking nothing to Viacom or whoever he's freelancing for.

The problem here is the free market IS regulating itself. If people are buying, and someone is selling, the market is working. A true free market is about as likely as true communism. Someone will always ruin it.

We're individuals that live in a society

Good thing it's not a ban then.

>game is now completely raped to encourage lootboxes
>JUST GRIND FOR DECADES LOL

my god it's just too easy

It works 100% of the time.
Actually regulations allow monopolies to.exist. They distort the market and prevent competition due to regulatory barriers. We need way less regulations

>The core part of America is independence and not being responsible for others
In what universe do you live in where America was founded as an ancap utopia? You realize the US has had a draft for most of its existence right?

That's completely wrong. ISPs have monopolies that were designed by regulation. There was never competition in the first place; just government contracts for monopolies.

Boomer conservatism of the free trade kind is absolutely over. You can stop pretending now leftist.

Then dont buy the game. If enough people feel like you the market will.respond. Simple as that

That doesn't solve the problem. You're just abstaining from it.

>companies do something
>consumers don't like it
>companies don't give a shit and continue doing it
>consumers go to the media to talk about their dissatisfaction
>media is bought by companies and tell consumers to stop being entitled
>companies still doing it
>consumers go to government because they've exhausted all other options
>government listens
>government looks at the issue and stands up for the consumer when no on else will

Isn't this literally what the government is for, irrelevant of how big or small you think it should be? i.e. that it's listening to and working for the constituents who raise issues to them

Or don't grind and chill the fuck out?
You put yourself into these situations where you have to grind or to buy microtransactions and then complain about these mechanics.
Just stop.

The problem is that the majority is stupid user.
Just look at this.

And people will buy it.

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Not buying/Not complaining about the thing has almost always resulted in the thing just becoming worse when it comes to video games. You'd have to be willfully disingenuous to say otherwise.

>It works 100% of the time.
Don't like Boeing airplanes? Don't fly on them. Problem solved.

whos the mommy in the background?

Yes, but corporate bootlickers will always deny this.

Why should the problem be solved? It isnt the governments job to regulate things.

See So I have to enjoy a nerfed product because of you and shut the fuck about it? No.

I like your idea to punish people who are implementing lootboxes the same as murderers. Death penalty should be enough for them.

Because there is no problem.

You are horribly misinformed about the state of content-creator networks if you think that's true.
>but it can do literally fucking nothing to Viacom
Also wrong.

I don't, and I haven't. This course of action has not produced the desired result. Thus, it is time to consider alternative solutions.

Thats called communism.

That's literally part of the government's job.

Why are you entitled to play a video game at all?

>Why should the problem be solved?
>Because there is no problem.
This is all you had to say. Proof that "don't like it don't buy it" is not a solution but a defense. You gave yourselves away.

tiny deals for big guys

I fucking hate how Yea Forums has gotten so shitty that people will shitpost defending EA just to get a rise out of people.

Ea's vp of being a condescending cunt.

You just called every country with democratically elected officials Communist.

>Then dont buy the game.
I don't buy anything from EA, but these zoomer shits, dudebros, and minorities keep buying them. So we have to go to the government if we're going to save Command and Conquer, Crysis, and SimGames. If it bankrupts EA Games and these IPs are released to people who actually give a shit about them, then everything was worth it. The ends always justify the means.

Bullfuckingshit, it's called Rhine capitalism.

>They're macro-economic transitions for digitized artistic goods. Completely different.

Why are you entitled to buy/sell lootboxes?

What major networks ae still kicking that aren't relying on the dark side Youtube doesn't want to talk about, nor on the post-a-day retards? I think music is the only thing, but that's only if you don't read between the lines and realize companies like VEVo had to abandom most of their ambitions to keep going.

Youtube networks aren't in a healthy state.

And it's one thing to say the SEC could, in theory, do something to Viacom. But you example of the SEC still having authority is that they can crack down on freelancers even though, evidently, they can't get anything out of the major corporation that established and makes money from the freelancers.

I'm asking you wherre the teeth are, most of all. Kicking retarded puppies, even puppies that are a little more lucky than others, is not the same thing as having authority.

It has nothing to do with what I'm entitled to. It's purely a selfish drive. I desire the industry to be free of microtransactions. Abstaining from games with microtransactions has not yielded this result. If the industry is unable or unwilling to produce this result of its own volition, then outside force becomes necessary.

Ypu arent entitled to play video games the way you like. If a company chooses to have lootboxes that is their decision. You have the decision to buy or not. You are just spoiled and want to be catered to because you are overly entitled and think companies exist to cater to you when in reality they have an obligations to the shareholders to maximize profit.
Grow up

Good luck convincing people that buying a game with lootboxes is equal to buying a lootbox.

>compares them to Kinder Eggs
Well, they fuck it up cuz Kinder Eggs is banned in USA, so this would encourage Gov't to ban lootboxes right away.

Because I need money to survive. Do you need your games for it?

Then stop gaming. You dont have a right to play video games. Or you can make your own.

Many of these games are free to play.

Or we can just stop you and you can go fucking kill yourself.
Next I hope they ban coke and weed at a federal level statewide and all the fucking hippies hop off a bridge.

You don't need sell lootboxes to survive. In fact if your business relies on selling lootboxes and can't make money without them then you are bad at business.

>just accept getting shat on, you baby
What's it like being a bootlicker?

Companies aren't entitled to sell lootboxes anymore than I am entitled to play games the way I like. This entire concept of wrongful entitlement is a spook, a farce. Consumers will want quality, and companies will want people to buy their shit. Complaining about this simple fact of life is like complaining that competing politicians air attack ads against each other. you're trying to invoke some set of rules that don't exist in reality. Ultimately this "muh entitlement" and "you're just spoiled" shit is completely meaningless. It means absolutely nothing.

Or surprise buttsx

Then why not start your own company if you have such a great business model?

Pretty much every controversy in vidya since 2009 or so was just a bunch of vocal minorities upset about some minor shit.
It's alwats the same thing "corporations dont cater to me", "sjw's are taking over vidya", "toxic white masculinity is problematic", "government pls fix".
You all are the same extremist scum and the reality is that you just want to censor everything you don't agree with.

There is no problem with lootboxes, unless you're the kind of person who has mental issues in which case you should see a doctor.
If you can't control your children and if you can't control your credit card it's your fault.
And it's not gambling, no. Because it implies you have a chance to win something (money) and with lootboxes you win fuck all.

Why not start your own airline company if you don't like how Boeing makes their airplanes?

stupid people are the majority and then the economy gets built around them and everyone makes games targeting those wallets
you are not an island

Did I force you to make games with a $200.000.000 budget plus 100.000.000 marketing budget? No. Did I point a gun to your head and tell you to make games so expensive? No. Did I force you to hire le based Kyanu Reebs? No.
Go fuck yourself and go back to pixel graphics if you need for games to cost $150. You're the reason FFVII is one fucking game costing $210.

Because I don't need to, there are countless examples of healthy and profitable companies that don't rely on lootboxes.

>You all are the same extremist scum and the reality is that you just want to censor everything you don't agree with.

You've lost the argument by falsely equating lootbox regulations to censorship and extremism.

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there's plenty of markets for reselling the digital goods from lootboxes for real cash
they don't stop having value because you say so
gambling is about the psychological act of paying money for a randomized result anyway, not the particular value of the result(besides, the result is usually nothing in both casinos and lootboxes because the odds are against you)

kinder eggs is chocolate you buy with a free toy.
WTF do you do with an empty lootbox?

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It is gambling, and your argument about controlling your children applies just as equally to underage casino gambling as it does to lootboxes. You've effectively argued that children should be allowed to gamble at casinos.

Fuck off back to wherever you came from.

This is literally Jack Thompson and Hillary Clinton all over again. They wanted to regulate video games because they can be harmful to children. You weren't even old enough to wipe your own ass then but people here laughed at the notion of regulating what virtual entertainment you can buy. It's the same now, except with retarded vocal refugees from other sites like you actually wanting some dystopian state approved media license because "fuck muh EA regardless of context and fuck corporations I'm so cool and counter-culture!"

This reminds me of the NOGAMES era of PS3 (most of it actually), when Sony used to make bundles with shitty games and pads to justify the insane pricetag.
>MUH VALUE
>cut the price
>BUT LOOK AT ALL THE VALUE
>I want the console, let me decide what else to get. Cut the price
>DON'T YOU SEE ALL THAT FUCKING VALUE
>Cut the fucking price

>you are overly entitled and think companies exist to cater to you when in reality they have an obligations to the shareholders to maximize profit.
If the stock market is more important than the actual products market, why even make games anymore? A few years ago, one of similar EA analytics said that all games should run on subscriptions because "investors expect that". Im well aware that game development isn't a charity but when you stop caring at all about your consumers and instead care only about investors who expect high shares, which values were calculated based on how well the company is selling their products... why caring about making and selling said products at all? Your shares became better trade goods than whatever you produce. This is exactly why companies like EA tend to stagnate and end up being more about buying smaller companies and startups than outright innovating themselves. Shareholders only understand short-term profit gaining because besides their investment which can be easily sold, they have zero stake in the product.

Lootboxes should just be banned, full stop. None of this "muh kids" nonsense.

>And it's not gambling, no. Because it implies you have a chance to win something (money) and with loot boxes you win fuck all.
It's not being classified as gambling dipshit, Online casinos will still have much stricter regulations than loot boxes. You have to be 21 and show them ID. It's just like the lottery, it's being classified as pseudo-gambling where you have to be 18 to participate. All this law does is put an AO rating on games with loot boxes. Now incidentally, this will mean that most stores and Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo eShops will remove the games from their stores, but that's the retailer's fault, not the government's, they can always allow the sale of AO rated games with loot boxes. But they won't, so In the end EA Games will die and every gamer wins.

It's not a Bouncy Castle, it's a Bouncy House

FUCKING SURPRISE MECHANICS WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO

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Except modern gaming is worth being destroyed as a whole.
I want unions to win and I want lootboxes to be regulated at the same time, because the impact on the industry will be nuclear, there's gonna be nothing left. You'll have 10 games released a year and a bunch of newborn indie shitters on kickstarter. Wonderful ending to a disastrous industry.

>>This is literally Jack Thompson and Hillary Clinton all over again. They wanted to regulate video games because they can be harmful to children.

We've been over this shill, lootboxes practices are not protected expression.

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>fuck corporations
Is no longer counter culture though, it's like the most normie thing ever on the internet right now.

>It's the same now,
No it isn't.

in this case that value is being decided by a market that is eager to buy the digital item in order to bypass the gambling RNG, not the company

>gambling regulations = censorship
Lmao the shills are mad

Lootboxes and P2W are shitty and exploit consumers. Good fucking riddance

Yes because the 10000 0.04 cent skins is not 'losing' and 1 1000$ knife is not 'winning' please fuck off with this mentality.

Fuck off. I'm old enough to have been laughing at Jack Thompson, Leland Yee, and Clinton alongside you. I've also watched video games get fucking worse and worse as giant companies like EA have fucking took out more and more of a game just to sell it back to us. Am I happy the government is wanting to get involved? No I'm fucking not. But EA brought this on themselves. Because they couldn't control themselves.

Except it's not. You'd expect socialists, democrats basically, to be against lootboxes, but they're the ones defending them to the death.

Literallly nothing wrong with banning lootboxes and fucking up all the shit devs who depend on them. Kill yourself, you pathetic shill.

>w-what are you a poorfag or something?
Corpo shills BTFO.

which is why we have zoomers defending corporations as the new counter-culture

>also need children protected from gambling

CHILD GAMBLING IS ALREADY ILLEGAL

THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF "REGULATION", YOU FUCKING LITERAL JEW

IT'S AN ISSUE OF ENFORCING THE LAWS THAT ALREADY EXIST, WHY THE FUCK ARE VIDEO GAME COMPANIES BEING ALLOWED TO BREAK LAWS THAT WOULD GET ANYONE ELSE ARRESTED?

Shut up Nog

>a market
A market of underage zoomers, hence the regulations.

Then how does mtg get away with mythic rarity?

The toys inside Kinder Eggs have a a fairly constant quality and are always reasonable for the price.
If Kinder Eggs were like lootboxes, 99.9% of them would have literal feces inside and 0.1% would have a diamond inside.

Why?

Literally nothing wrong with banning video games either. Kill yourself, retard.

>compares them to Kinder Eggs

You mean the ones that are banned? lmao.

Because you can actually buy it individually or sell it if you get one. And it's not 1000$

>Banning lootboxes = banning games

Put a bit more effort, you brainless corporate drone cuck.

I don't think children should be exposed to gambling early in life. There's research showing this is bad and there's also research showing a clear link between gambling addiction and genetics so these fuckers are literally exploiting children's genetics for financial gain.

What kind of monster do you have to be to defend that? Oh yeah, all it takes is a "free market conservative"

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A shame she didn’t punch him properly

>zero argument
>"Put a bit more effort"
Oh the irony.

Because lootboxes aren't content or protected by free speech laws
>Literally nothing wrong with banning video games either
Kill YOURSELF, retard.

I'M GONNA SAY THE SURPRISE WORD

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>muh overlords losing money is censorship!

Yes, cuck. Keep defending those companies for free.

>falsely equate lootboxes with video games themselves because "they're just as addictive and even more violent!"
>but also decides regulations on casino gambling is justified where lootbox gambling isn't.

Not my fault you're a retarded animal who got butthurt at your own hypocrisy thrown back in your face.

shills when talking about lootbox bill
>hurr daddy goverment durr think of the children hurr get out commies durr
shills when talking about anti-piracy laws
>think of the poor multibillion company ok? you aren't poor right? piracy is murder, look at my food analogy

i actually don't know what its going to be

The ESRB is independent regulation you fucking moron.

That ship kinda sailed with Pokemon cards
Though at least those were resellable

Finally someone fucking gets it. These laws already exist. Just for some reason, they don't apply to video games being marketed and sold to children. Want lootboxes in your game? Okay, put existing gambling restrictions on them. 21+ and let retailers decide if they want to sell gambling products in their stores.

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>Oh yeah, all it takes is a "free market conservative"
Worse. Free market lolbertarians and the modern day neo-liberal that will defend corporations just to spite the loser nerds.

>What kind of monster do you have to be to defend that
this is Yea Forums, newfag

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Tell your teacher to explain to you what irony means and why it makes you look even more pathetic than just simply being a retard.

Why are there so many unironic shills on this board? I'm really starting to think that companies actually pay people to go on websites and defend them because this is just utterly retarded

>I care more about maximizing the profits for shareholders than the quality of video games

"people" like you should be killed

>Market fails to regulate itself
>WTF WHY IS THE GUBMENT STEPPING IN
gee why wont mr Shekelstein keep fucking me from his CEO position

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The truth is some sort of regulation is needed but the government is completely incapable of enacting it in any way that wouldn't be a net loss for everyone involved and potentially catastrophic
Typically this shit would be solved by individual communities and like responsible parents and stuff but those don't really exist anymore
Subsequently the only winning move is to make your political rivals mad as we slide further into dystopia

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Video games are not free speech in any capacity. Even if they were, free speech, like almost all human rights, can be restricted or taken away to protect other rights. It's why you can go to prison or even get the death penalty in some countries. So your point is completely moot. Kill yourself, retard.

>decides regulations on casino gambling is justified
Who are you quoting? Are you illiterate or just embarrassingly fucking stupid?

This has been known for years now. Only ones in denial about it are delusional or paid shills themselves.

The eternal corporate cocksucker drone. Hilarious.

>this is Yea Forums, newfag
That doesn't mean you need to be a kike enabler you fucking retard. I know there are a lot of people just as dumb as you are here that'll post under the guise of irony and anonymity. This is why I oppose anonymity online at this point. I hope it's stripped away from you so you can be the first to be thrown in the gas chambers.

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I'm actually employed by zog

>implying the kikes aren't drawing the big bucks in government regulatory culture and lobbying
Oi vey who would commit such misdirection

Wut

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>You weren't raped, you were loved vigorously and intensely.

>Video games are not free speech in any capacity.

Check out this retard

supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/564/786/

Is rape the ultimate surprise mechanic?

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The concept of irony makes someone look pathetic? I don't still go to school like you, user. That's why I don't say braindead shit like that. And why I don't have to ask what it means. How much of an unedcutaed fucking subhuman can you even be?

>lootboxes are like kinder eggs

At what point did the mechanic behind the kinder egg or the Ferrero company completely upend the confectionary industry to the point where buying a whole, properly made piece of chocolate became a near impossibility because every confectionary company saw the profits the kinder egg was making and decided to make their own knock-off to the point where almost every chocolate bar became nothing more than a glorified skinner box with sub 20g of chocolate attached to it?
Being an adult with no kids I don't give a shit about the "is lootboxes gambling" argument but holy fuck am I disappointed with the lack of anons mentioning how much of a general pervasive cancer that this mechanic has become when it comes to these threads.

>Video games are not free speech in any capacity

your point is completely moot. Kill yourself, retard.

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nagger

How is it gambling if you always get some sort of reward?

>Are you illiterate or just embarrassingly fucking stupid?
>Video games are not free speech in any capacity. It's why you can go to prison or even get the death penalty in some countries.

Also don't tell me you actually think kids should be allowed to gamble at casinos? Because that would make you embarrassingly fucking stupid.

> HEY MAAANNNNN FUCK THE CORPORSTIONS MAAANNNNNN MY HEALTHCARE AND VIDEO GAMES SHOULD.BE FREEEEEE
Fuck you, you goddamned statist piece of shit

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No the best rape is the suspenseful one you know is coming, jump-rapes are pleb garbage especially when they involve violin stings or clowns ugh so overdone

Ideally, they should just be forced to tell people the odds on the boxes. Classifying them akin to video poker is bullshit, but not telling players the odds on something they're gambling on should be outright illegal. Akin to a dealer using loaded dice or marked cards.

>How much of an unedcutaed fucking subhuman can you even be?

He's not the one who said video games aren't protected under free speech.

So a slot machine wouldn't be considered gambling if they gave you a piece of paper that said "go fuck yourself" in a lose state?

Because that's practically the digital equivalent of loot boxes if you get the lowest tier shit.

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>comparing lootboxes to kinder eggs
Last I knew, you owned the toy you got from the Kinder Egg. You barely own the game you buy from EA these days, let alone the bits of data you get from a lootbox. EA can take away your shit for any reason at any time.

Your lack of basic reading comprehension makes you look pathetic. I graduated from school years ago, whereas you don't go anymore because you dropped out. That's why you post braindead shit like this and reveal yourself to be an uneducated fucking subhuman unworthy of an original response.

>accuses others of sucking up to authority
>while sucking up to megacorps

Surely casinos haven't already thought of that to try getting around gambling laws. You're not very smart user.

>comparing loot boxes to a basic human right
>comparing loot boxes to something that is supposed to be fun and not try and nickel and dime you for everything you have

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP MAKING THE SAME GODDAMN ARGUMENTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!?

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id rather jew with jews against the jews currently jewing me

Okay, I concede that. Now read the rest of the post instead of strawmanning. Then kill yourself, retard.

They're not in most countries in the world. In fact, probably in all of them except one.

Corporate bootlicking piece of shit.

Healthcare isnt a human right. You have no right to medicine or treatment . If you want medical care get a job

>It isnt the governments job to regulate things.
I think that's literally what the government does

No, it wouldn't be. And you're still getting something of value regardless in a lootbox.

Hell yeah brother, every bit of entertainment should be a skinner box you only rent! After all entertainment isn't a human right so it doesn't need consumer protections!

The ones I get have a plastic wrap around the toy. Makes it REALLY hard for even the biggest retard to eat.

Same reason a prize draw with a $50 entrance fee is still gambling if they give you a sticker with every ticket.

Why cant you argue against it?

Just as planned, good goy

>There is no problem with lootboxes
Look at what happened to Dungeon Keeper and tell me that shit with a straight face

What value?

The truth?
Mob bully mentality.
>if many people are into it, it cannot be wrong.
That is how they have been indoctrinated.

I literally quoted you word for word you brainless retard. How the fuck is that strawmanning?

>Excellent!
>SNOT!

A skin or a weapon, I don't know, depends on the game. It has value.

You seem to be under the impression that we don't want the entire industry to burn if it can't live without lootboxes and microtransactions

Your post is moot. You already conceded the argument when you falsely equated lootbox practices to artistic expression and strawmanned every critic of lootboxes as a "retard drooling on himself" and lacking self control. Your a low IQ subhuman and I don't owe you any more arguments, kill yourself you absolute retard.

K m8

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>I graduated from school years ago
And yet you don't know what irony means and can't argue even on the level of a three year old child. I highly doubt some institute let you graduate out of pity. What a fucking roach.

No the federal government provides border security and secures basic rights such as free speech and gun rights...oh wait. My mistake, the government exists to redistribute wealth via a number of extremely illegal mechanisms that have now been normalized and also looks for foreign conflicts to get involved in.

Security isn't a human right. You have no right to a police force or fire department. If you want security get a job.

Okay then put a penny in there for every $1 slot machine pull. That's of value and that's the equivalent of getting consumable potions in an MMORPG with loot boxes

I hope you realize this is a really fucking flimsy argument.

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Oh the irony.

And when companies start infringing on individuals rights to ownership?

"Indentured servitude"

>I'm really starting to think that companies actually pay people to go on websites and defend them
It has been proven

correct

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Whales inherently don't outnumber anyone.

>I win because I say so
Whatever helps you sleep, you dumb fuck.

>let me just conveniently ignore the part about how free speech can be restricted or banned
>how is that strawmanning?
user...

People have. Over and over and over again even to that specific post

Why not?
It's the same exact logic.

It's not real, so no it's not value at all

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So basically a "let's blame x while we are the ones destroying everything worth shit in the country"? I didn't realize.

You don't know what a strawman is.

>>I win because I say so
>Whatever helps you sleep, you dumb fuck.

Nice strawman, you retarded animal.