Valve

>VR was always a fucking meme
Funny how what you just said has literally and unironically become the meme at this point.
I thought nobody would want to sit around watching other people play video games much less pay them for it and yet here we are in 2019
The important thing is that all the big tech corporations think VR is important enough now to burn money on it just trying to get their foot in the door, Facebook in particular has wasted a tremendous amount of cash trying to pull their coup. What some impoverished third world luddite on Yea Forums claims is not so important.

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>technology with the potential to fully absorb a person's life is important to corporations
Gee I wonder why?

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It doesn't even fucking matter what they make because Yea Forums will hate regardless it and you seem to be drinking the kool aid here so you will never be happy either, OP.

And poorfags will always be poor, what else is new.
Have job.

I just want to see what happens after I closed the super portal.

why bother, they probably make more in 1 week on steam sales than what they made from every game they developed combined

Not wanting to buy a shit product isn't the same as not being able to buy a shit product

>this level of sour grapes

Take a look at how their company is structured and it should be obvious.

lmao okay pcbro, do they even allow you to watch porn on that thing?

Is this a fucking trick question
Are you posting from a nursing home or something

the both of you are fucking retards and vr is a meme

You seem to feel very threatened by a mere meme
You should

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>hide fat jokes from GabeN.
they write them down in normal sized toilet stalls

i'm optimistic. i have a feeling their VR stuff will be interesting though i wish they would start making more traditional titles. the way i see it, either the new vr stuff is fucking amazing and totally worth the development time they spent on it, or it's somewhere between mediocre and dogshit rendering valve a joke, forcing them to finally swallow their pride and admit they've been going in the wrong direction for for the last 5 years.

Epic Games is pushing theirs so bloody hard because they want to monopolize the game distribution platforms.

Literally the most anti-consumer platform available, Steam is lightyears ahead. Even Origin is better than the Epic Store.

>being this retarded

As an ex-CSGO player I absolutely fucking hate Valve

>broken matchmaking
>hackers
>literally no interesting game modes
>map pool is utter shit
>lack of willingness to evolve the game or experiment
>BR mode no one asked for that is boring

The community is even worse than Valve its self, but everyone knows that

do you think we're even gonna see a valve game in a few years after the whole artifact shebang?

>i wish they would start making more traditional titles
I wager they're too high on their own farts at this point but I'd love to be proven wrong
No doubt Gaben understands that they'll cause a shitstorm many times worse than DNF if they fuck up in the slightest, I wouldn't leave anything to chance if I were them. Artifact alone probably reminded them that they can't be sloppy.

Gabe here. Half-life 3, Portal 3 in the works. We're also working on the new Armored Core with Fromsoft. Fuck epic and fuck epic shills.

Thanks.

Halflife 2 and portal 2 vr may be cool

Gaben himself has explicitly and repeatedly confirmed three upcoming titles up to a month ago
They've committed way too hard on it for me to think it's vaporware.

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>your awful platform?
>steam
>awful
steam is by far the best platform objectively.

underlords just came out

I do and its really good.
Nobody wants to sit behind a screen and tap on a board with clikys and move around a soap bar with wire all day.
Private Computer gaming was always a fucking meme

>Private Computer gaming was always a fucking meme
That's why I go to my local gaming cafe to hang out with the boys.

All their talented developers left a long time ago. Valve games will never have the same quality they had before

>tfw got everything on that picture ordered
can't wait.

>Preordering a console with no games
Holy shit pcbros really are paypigs

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It literally has more games than a ps4

>console
imagine being retarded

>They have like 1000
lol, no
they only have like 300. Gaben doesn't want to spend money on anything when he can just keep feeding his own pockets. Ex-valve employees already exposed him of being a manipulative faggot, and you retards are seriously eating up his "good guy gaben" persona

>tfw have to wait to get everything on that picture ordered

lmao@u
Hope you're better at convincing yourself than you are at convincing us

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>not being a Dotachad
Why would Gaben make a new Half-Life when you'll play it thoroughly in 10 hours and start bitching for a new one anyway?
At least dotards only send death threats to virtual couriers, not Valve.

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>Ex-valve employees already exposed him of being a manipulative faggot

I don't doubt it but do you have some examples?

being the best by a margin in a pile of shit doesn't make it a not shit platform

valve fanboys like to brag about all the subpar features steam has but fucking noone with a brain uses them when there are just much better free alternatives out there for every service steam has

>muh social features
fuckign everyone uses discord because steam is shit at this. Hell, steam doesn't even let you group chat with f2p players
>muh mod workshop
anyone caring about modding just uses nexus
>muh reviews
anyone caring about reviews and isn't a retard checks metacritic, since it shows critic scores too and it's easy to check if any reviewer is just a biased faggot based on his review history

Yeah, who could forget vacation simulator LMFAO

Defending this is a giant fucking COPE

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>300 employees
>Eating 30% of pc gaming revenue

How is he doing it bros?

Dota2 is a near flawless game but its one critical flaw (everyone who plays it) is unfortunately a deal breaker

>consolepleb
Every time.
And yes I can watch porn on it because I'm not required to have a handler watch me at all hours, unlike you.

Oh that reminds me, gotta try out that Duke3D remake mod for Serious Sam
I should also finish Talos Principle

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It's just a literal reskin of another game, lol

if you seriously think this is about the money then you are retarded

that 12% cut hardly makes Epic any money ESPECIALLY if you realize that they only take 7% cut with egs on UE4 games (like the upcoming Borderlands3) sinced the other 5% is something they would get anyway with their UE4 cuts

7% is fucking nothing ESPECIALLY if you consider the amount of money they spend on financing devs and publishers for exclusivity deals AND compensating for their possible losses

this whole thing is just Sweeney spending all of his money on a desperate attempt to lower the taxes on digital distribution

>all the subpar features steam has
I find them very useful thanks

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they get most of their income from ue4.

and every single other client ever made is worse so.
Suck it up fag.

>ALRIGHT YOU WANNA KNOW FINE I ADMIT IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW LOSS LEADER STRATEGY WORKS

what does make it a shit platform?

>VR haters
>Valve haters
>Steam haters
It boggles my mind how some people can be so thoroughly wrong about every single thing and yet so confident at the same time
I bet they're Bernie supporters too

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Not that guy, but any feature steam has that is not Store itself or play button is just bloatware. I wouldn't brag if i could just delete shit i don't need.

you can use other free alternatives to get the same result but I admit that this single feature is at least a nice convenience to have since it's technically not subpar to the alternatives

the same can't be said for the majority of the features steam has. I mean I use this platform for all of my digitally purchased games, but beside this relatively new feature I never felt that any of these "services" added anything to my experience when they are all just shittier than the other free alternatives. In fact, I just wasted a lot of time attempting to use them and realizing how crappy they are compared to other available shit

>cornered the market with amazing discounts early on
>never lived up to those old sales again
>constantly making money off of people selling each other cards/cosmetics
>literally selling hats and weapons all the time to kids

Why would they ever make a game again? They're making shit tons from micro-transactions.

>Spend years crafting the perfect CCG, Gaben is personally involved
>Its fucking dogshit
>v*lvedrones still defend it regardless
>Can only do remakes and steal mods instead of hire the people who developed them

Just go away, you're full of shit and everyone knows it.
Like we're not even a fraction as passionate about Steam as you are about hating it, go read books or something lol. Vidya fried your brain.

>Reddit link

How about you go back there and stay there. Us 4channers don't take kindly to your plebbit links.

Nobody defends artifact you dumb fucking shitposter.

>muh poor tranny developers!!!
Your shitty game is destined fail faggot.

>Nobody defends artifact you dumb fucking shitposter.
>t.

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No one is defending Artifact.
>steals mods
I guess offering the mod makers jobs at your company is theft now?
>muh auto chess tho
Valve flew the mod developers to their studio and offered to publish and finance their stand alone version.
The developers said no than you and gave Valve their blessing to make their own game based on DOTA2.

So ebil.

Yeah, let me just set up some freeware shit that I need to hook into the game and configure when Steam already supports pretty much all gamepads, comes with pre-configured and even allows you to download user made configs.
There's a point where you need to stop trying so hard to be contrarian before going past the line of full retard, you know?

Artifact had zero(0) impact on my life in any way outside being faintly amusing. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? Clearly it was a reality-defining event for you. Pretty sad.
Also I would still try it if it got good VR implementation.
Also Magic the Gathering is garbage and the biggest mistake of my youth

Is that about the twitter fag that was melting down over his career and clearly talked about more employers than just Valve again?
Fucking lol.

/thread

>People blame Valve for being lazy and not making games
>tfw they were always a tech company and not a game dev company

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What

you are fucking retarded if you think this shit even remotely works in this case, at least if you mean that they only have low cuts early on

no matter how evil and liar you think Epic is, companies don't do such an open lying about their business practices like suddenly changing the main selling point of the service after it got more popular. Not like Sweeney so far actually gave us any reason to think he would do something like that, the sole reason he has a bad rep is because valve fanboys hate him for the whole exclusivity crap.

the only thing I can imagine is that in developing countries they will backpedal the low cuts since it is either a big loss for them or they have to raise the prices too much. Otherwise the backlash would be just too much with the devs.

> t. I have no argument so I'm going to insult you
It's so satisfying when someone loses an argument this way.

Hmm Quake is too difficult. What if we...
>slow the game down
>nerf movement
>make the game team based
>make the game round based
>remove all the pickups
>allow players to buy the weapons
>remove projectile weapons
>make TTK so short that anyone can frag if given enough luck
POPULAR GAME!

And then the cycle always continued from card games to battle royales. In an attempt of trying to invent a product that as many people as possible can consume.

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>They have like 1000 employees

more like 600 at most, and that after doubling from their previous constant ~300, over the past few years.

They maintain and support three of the top played multiplayer games in the world (with regular free major content expansions, for two of them at least), including semi-annual major e-sports championships with consistent multi-million-dollar prize pools. They're very active with Kronos Group initiatives. They manage their own Linux distro and their own incredible windows->linux game compatibility layer. They develop and manage the SteamVR software, with constant major updates. They are heavily invested in hardware R&D and manufacturing. They manufacture the Index VR headset and controllers, and the Steam Controller. They do in fact develop new games, having released two in the past 12 months, and another yet to come this year. Oh, and they maintain and manage Steam, the preeminent online store for PC games, which is supposedly getting a major overhaul this year.

>I guess offering the mod makers jobs at your company is theft now?
Valve has always been trying to cultivate talent, back right after HL1 they sent me a Source SDK CD in the mail no strings attached. I didn't do shit with it because I'm a brainlet but clearly some people did and they changed vidya in a big way.
I turned into a passionate Valve hater when Steam first launched but eventually realized that we're beyond lucky that Valve took the DD throne before someone else did.
They're trying to do the same thing for VR now and I appreciate that.
They better fucking deliver on those games though.

I was talking about exclusivity deals and free games, not about their cut which is easily sustainable.

>s-stop criticizing my game company! Steam doesn't deserve that
kill yourself

steam is a piece of shit. The whole idea that you HAVE to open, load in, patch up, steam ALL THE TIME to play any fucking random game you purchased on it automatically makes it shit. The only point why you have to do this crap is so this shitty interface will advertise itself to you all the time so you spend more money on it and you can keep feeding gaben.

It being bloated with a bunch of subpar features that noone fucking uses doesn't make up for it.

literally that's hy I said that it is the only useful feature. It saves you some minimal inconvenience of having to download a different app

Uh... they just put out motherfucking DOTA AUTOCHESS!?!? what more could you want//??

Sources say 360. Funny part is, they don't outsource their support. They have like 100 people in support team, it's hillarious how much they don't care

ofc they will stop that shit after they the store gets popular. Even Sweeney said that this is only an initial agression to give some spotlight to the store. None of that has anything to do with the post you replied to though, and there is no argument behind it related to that

sweeney even said that they would instantly stop with the new exclusivity deals if Steam (not even other stores, just steam) would lower it's cuts to 12% from 30%

>ESL trying to advocate for Epic Store and fluff Sweeney
Nothing new but I thought they finally laid you guys off, did Pooh send some more yuan?

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the client only takes up 4MB of ram in small mode. you can easily configure stuff like friends etc. not to start up when the client is launched.

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every MB counts when you're playing on a peruvian PC cafe computer

Valve taking 30% is jewish as fuck desu and its what killed PC gaming.

>Retard VRphiles unironically think this shit is popular

These are the two most popular VR games and they still can't beat old fuck New Vegas

LMAO

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>muh 30%
You guys just can't help it can you
Back to discord with you, out out

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sorry that I stirred up your valve fanboy circlejerking
what is even your point exactly with that reply and how does that relate to my post?

VR certainly isn't popular right now, however it is being heavily invested in by lots of huge tech corporations because unlike you and dogs, they understand the concept of future
Also you haven't experienced NV in VR, I feel sorry for you. You're really really missing out.

Cope harder steam trannie

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This post should be the default reply to at least 60% of discussions on Yea Forums.

even ex-valve devs called out Valve for doing this shit though

it's a completely unnecessary tax considering how cheap digital distribution is everywhere except for a few specific countries where people hardly even buy games

you are a complete sheep for defending this crap

>sorry that I stirred up your valve fanboy circlejerking
haha he did it again, go ESL go!

1/3 of your video game revenue goes to gaben's donut habit and the 6 figure salaries for everyone at valve.

>greenlight shitty hats
not for about half a year, now.

they are already leaching 1/3 of the revenue after other people's work. Why do any work yourself?

> Not GOG
Idiot. Most of Steam's "features" are useless bloat. GOG is the most superior platform on PC without question. And even the fucking Epic client is more stable and responsive than the Steaming piece of shit that is the Steam launcher

Imagine thinking anyone on Yea Forums gives a shit about devs and not getting the message ever
Devs exist to make video games for me to play, anything else is between them and their employer. If they have a problem with that maybe they can become journalists or something

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it's funny that people only get upset about other people hating something when it's Valve related

>Shilling this hard for Valve for free

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the steam store only has so many slots for games, so a developer has to give up some revenue to take one of those very valuable slots. the steam store doesn't have infinite capacity

Right, this is why we need socialism huh

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Imagine being so much of a stupid retard you can't see how the Steam tax is passed onto the consumer in the form of increased prices and microtransacrions

Oh wow, someone notified the shill discord to descend on this thread
So predictable, look at these fucking idiots

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lmao what the fuck. How does Valve brainwash people into sucking their cock this hard?

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There is nothing special about GoG really. If game X is on GoG it does not have drm on other storefronts as well so... GoG is only good if you want to play old games that are only on GoG.

are you sure? i'd think if valve wasn't worth the 30% cut companies would surely leave them for a distributor that takes a smaller percentage, and we'd never have gotten to a point where developers that were once console only are now making a PC version for everything. clearly the cut isn't a deal breaker.

It's because Valve has a monopoly
Don't bother to debunk me with logic and facts, that hasn't worked for months after all :^)

Everything you buy on Valve is DRM you moron.

Steam IS DRM. Steam doesn't let you download and save the installer for your games. Plus Steam takes way longer to start, has a much laggier interface, and has a bunch of bloat like achievements and trading cards that's constantly popping up notifications I don't give a fuck about

>are you sure? i'd think if valve wasn't worth the 30% cut companies would surely leave them for a distributor that takes a smaller percentage,

They would, but normies don't buy games that are not on steam. Network effect is the reason capitalism doesn't work in modern society.

you are a fucking retarded if you don't understand the connection between (You), -you paying games for a video game, -developer making a video game out of it

and yes, it doesn't fucking matter if part of that money goes to the investors since chances are part of that money goes to them exactly because that part was funded by them, and they would likely fund the next successful project of the devs too if it makes money

on the other hand 1/3 of this money going into the pockets of a useless unproductive leach company like valve doesn't benefit anyone. You don't realize how much Valve holds back pc gaming, how better production values, more content or just more games in general could exist if they didn't leach as much money as they do, just because they can get away with it.

I mean if you don't care about any of this shit at all you should't purchase games in the first place when you can just easily pirate anything that isn't massively multiplayer.

I agree. Valve has their sins, and I hold then to account for them, but they're easily the least worst company to hold market dominance over DD on pc.
Pc gaming would be dead if a company like MS, EA, or EPIC had managed to get control over the platform.

Valve and Steam were the best compromise for the time between gamers and developers.
>"We'll stop pirating if you guys stop being such faggots."
>"We'll let Valve handle the DRM and distribution of our games if you retards stop pirating our shit."
Thing is, it's like these devs think we won't just go right back to piracy if they decide to go back to acting like faggots.

And that's why we need socialism huh

Clearly its bad enough that devs are willing to give exclusives to other platforms

Steam just like epic is optional DRM, there are games that are free of that DRM if devs decide not to use it. Tho i'm not really sure if that include install files.

Okay Tim, it's time to stop posting.

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No, not socialism. This topic is rather new, no one find any solution as of yet.

DRM means you're paying money to lease the game, not to own it. GOG is not DRM because you download the installer and can store it forever on disk and continue to use it. Steam exists as long as your account is in good standing. The second its not or if Steam goes under you lose all the games you paid to access.

so steams volume, visibility and marketing make the cut a non-issue.

like what? as far as i know the companies that went distributor exclusive were being paid by the distributor to do it.

Valve is actually so magnanimous it's infuriating sometimes
Like they have opportunities to coup de grace truly shitty companies but they do nothing because they don't feel threatened and they have this laissez-faire policy about everything because in the end they're just trying to make some sort of ecosystem where PC gaming can grow
One day someone will get the better of them but it sure as fuck won't be Epic lol

Have you used Epic? Because what I'm saying is objectively correct. Epic starts faster, and is more responsive and less bloated than Steam. GOG>Epic>Steam. Fuck Valve.

It's always funny how the masks slip off the shills the more you poke at them
Scary though, they sound like true believers

Clearly the cut has nothing to do with it when Epic is paying these companies for the exclusivity.

And stop being a faggot about "muh 30". Valve gives developers keys to sell their games outside of the Steam store, of which the developer gets whatever cut the other platforms ask for.
The devs can sell keys for whatever cut they desire on other platforms. They're just whiney because Steam moves the product for them by merit of being the largest storefront in pc gaming.

>like what? as far as i know the companies that went distributor exclusive were being paid by the distributor to do it.
And that was enough to not enter the largest market for the game.

I did try it Tim. Your program is shit.

Go fuck yourself Steam shill. Go slob in Gabe's fat chode a little more

How much do you think these developers are getting paid to be exclusive? If they think the math works its probably because the cash upfront is as much or more than the lost revenues from Valve's pound of flesh.

>so steams volume, visibility and marketing make the cut a non-issue.

That depends on your views. If you belive that microsoft owning more than 90% of pc market is fine, then steam is fine as well.

>anymore

Yes being paid a lot of guaranteed money upfront is tempting when the alternative is having to rely on your shitty game actually being liked enough for people to purchase it
Look, I wanted to be a game dev too but I noped out when I realized how shitty it was and always will be as long as there are dumb ignorant kids lining up to do it for peanuts. Spend your time learning something lucrative instead of trying to fix what is inherently broken with activism autism.

HL1 was pretty good

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Answer it for me, please

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I think Valve will die when Gabe kicks the bucket. No company stays the same once the founder leaves/dies.
But your right, their live and let live attitude is unheard of in the industry. They could easily crush the competition if they actually wanted to engage in cutthroat capitalism.

Personally, I get the feeling that Gabe is just happy to spend his days playing DOTA 2 and AutoChess, while making an annual appearance and talking about his crazy ideas for the future of gaming.

Greedy Gabe BTFO by based Tim. You know he's objectively correct. If you disagree you're just looking for an excuse to be contrarian.

How come people who support that store and people who support everything Yea Forums hates all use the same rhetoric and political perspective? really jumpstarts my walnuts

100,000 copies sold minus 30% > 1,000 copies sold minus 12%

what's the alternative? government intervention?

You're right, SteamDrones all use the same rhetoric because they all got their crazy conspiracy theories from /pol/ and similarly retarded sources.

JUST FUCKING USE THE EGS ALREADY

1: The small developers get the benefit of exporting the hosting costs for digital distribution of their games.
2: The same small developer is allowed to generate steam keys for their title and sell those keys with other distributors (or even their own website), completely side stepping the 30% fee, while still exporting the hosting costs to Valve.
3: the massive user base of Steam is worth something to these new developers. More eyes = potential for more sales.

Tim isn't a retard, but he clearly thinks you are a retard and is purposefully misrepresenting the situation because he thinks you're too stupid to realize he's lying.

Because they remember being a teenager playing halflife and portal and think its the same company

Unironically yes. There should be laws limiting how much online storefronts can charge merchamts who sell on their platform. Limit it to 15%. For things like Ebay, Amazon, music downloads, and game downloads.

>Mastercard mercant fees: ~2%
>Valve merchant fees: 30%
>Apple mercant fees: 30%

It's their choice, is it not?

There is a problem with a cut, most games don't make 500000% of profit like terraria did. 30% is not problem for them at all.

Games that require huge investment ussualy operate at like 20% of profit. Let's say game cost 100m to make, their income is 120m. Now after valve "tax" it's 84m of income. 16m loss, with epic "tax" it's 6m profit.

It's less profitable to invest in games because of that, that cut is a huge fucking deal. I do realize that people don't care about industry, but you really fucking should if you want games.

only if the government caps game price,makes exclusivity illegal and allows unlimited refunds

Unfortunately.

Yeah the government is really great at running things, look how well they run the government after all

oh great. lets get the government involved so our taxes can go to making things even worse.

>Games that require huge investment ussualy operate at like 20% of profit. Let's say game cost 100m to make, their income is 120m. Now after valve "tax" it's 84m of income. 16m loss, with epic "tax" it's 6m profit.

no it's not because epic is going to sell way way way less. less copies sold also translates to less fans of the company or franchise which translates into fewer sales of future games.

The best thing about CS were its endless game mods, free skins and player-hosted servers. All of which were removed in CS:GO.

Not to mention the bad press selling out to exclusivity deals generates, especially when the game was crowdfunded to begin with lol

>no it's not because epic is going to sell way way way less. less copies sold also translates to less fans of the company or franchise which translates into fewer sales of future games.

Well, once steam is dead it won't be an issue anymore.

The fucking domestic dog simulator dev said on here that he was able to negotiate 25% for his next game after his 8-bit garbage had medium success.
That's all it took but no, fail devs cried until valve caved and automated the system and now every indie dev is fucked.

A few salty cunts ruin it for everybody, like always.

>to get funding
>when they keep buying out things that are near launch including crowdfunded projects
Umm?

Your banjo really only has one string, doesn't it?

I can't wait for that and the Trump Impeachment
Hang in there comrades, it will all get better soon

get on the helicopter