Hey look at that, gamers ACTUALLY rising up

>so we can blame gun violence on fortnite.
>Fortnite
That's not how you spell "black people".

Maybe stop making it too triple AAA and spend half of whole budget on marketing.

Wouldn't it be better if game development moved from California to Eastern Europe though?

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HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Games just went up to $150 per season pass

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

Y'all fucking niggers have to pay the diversity and inclusion community specialist as much the engine dev.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

WORTHLESS WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE

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That just leaves more money for the union reps to suck up. You've solved nothing.

> like blame vidya for mass shootings again or something?
Do you have a time stamp?

So when is he going to call out the issue such as EA,Epic,Activision and others that are (obviously) being abused,forced to work overtime without pay and the rest of the usual bullshit that they pull.
Oh right he is never going to do that because he is a spineless cuck.

>price of games goes up
>im being paid more
>dont need to pay for healthcare anymore

wow

> Someone actually took the time to sit down and make these
> "fem" Yea Forums is curvaceous
> the dialogue is pure shit
Mixed feelings

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This.
He only pays lip service because somebody said the word "union" to him.
He has no idea about anything in this industry

This is the same guy who thinks "There are no poor white people". He's completely disconnected from reality beyond his ideology.

whyd they make such a stupid design for femme Yea Forums.

looks like fucking bimbofication porn

Imagine being a burger and you have about 10 days yearly vocation while you're licking the bosses boots.

Feels good not being born in a third world country with a complete disregard of a person's actual life.

Bernie is completely in the right but he wont ever get elected in the US because he actually talks sense.

SAD!

>Price of everything goes up way more than your pay increase
>You die on a waiting list, but hey, you "have healthcare" at least, right?
You people legitimately can't into numbers.

are you saying the only reason I can get into the hospital on time now is because other people cant afford it?

fpbp

Yes, that is absolutely the case.

Scarcity is scarcity.
Right now, the scarcity of medical expertise is managed by money.

You can make a stupid law that declares, "This is no longer the case", but it changes nothing.
The scarcity will just be managed by waiting lists rather than money.

Devs rep your games better than some suit in a boardroom snorting crack off a thai rentboi, you brainlet.

It already has for the most part. Most of the shit you see in AAA games is made in EE, SEA and China

Scarcity can be fabricated if you are "big" enough.

Maybe, maybe not.
Lots of games are ruined by executive meddling, many are ruined by lack of focus and control.
A union fixes neither of these, and is none of my business.

The funny thing about being a socialist stooge is that it ruins your sense of nuance.

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23:35 or just copy the link.

Now THIS is trolling

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he doesn't blame the blacks, he blames video games

youtube.com/watch?v=3RKZn2Sf7bo

I hope unions get pushed through, I want pajeets to sweep in and snatch up those union jobs and push all the trannies out.

So now you're turning to conspiracy theories?
Pathetic.

Here's how you fix actual medical scarcity: You make all medical treatment cheaper by loosening regulations and protecting doctors from lawsuits.

This makes it cheap enough that poor people can at least get basic, third-world care (rather than being shut out of the system of dying on a waiting list), and rich people can shop around for the non-shitty doctors.

Protip: Only Utopian retards believe in perfect solutions.

>game developers
>gamers

Yeah, but unlike Bernie, I wouldn't expect his crazy offhand comments to become law.

Hope you enjoy buggy games made by pajeets.

lol

Not an argument, user.

Which is telling, since this is apparently your big issue.

>treat game developers better so that they don't have to kill themselves or release unfinished games
>crazy
How does the boot taste?

>unions
>rising up

Pick one, you dumb nigger.

Are you winning your fight with that strawman?

I never said anything about developer's unionizing, but its none of my fucking business.

"Developers" =/= "Gamers" as OP retardedly asserts.
The only people who really care are non-gamer socialists.

>but it changes nothing.
>The scarcity will just be managed by waiting lists rather than money.
I think the real problem here is that you're under the retarded notion that medical expertise is a limited resource. This is not true. Many countries have free healthcare and are better for it hence why the united states is one of the few first world countries without a more socialized healthcare system. but even if it were and thus waiting lists went on for months (they're usually a week at worst) do you really think "I have to wait to get treatment" is better than "I can't get treatment without permanently crippling my family, because being alive is for rich people". You must be quite the sheltered child to think there's anything okay with letting people suffer or literally ruining their lives because you want to horde shekels.

anybody have that twitter screencap of the Riot lady who was pushing for a union and then got fired a couple months later?

>Gamers play video games
>game developers make those video games
>thus anything that effects developers effects gamers
>hurrr game developers have nothing to do with video games unless it's being someone I can yell at for shrinking my imaginary girlfriends titties
You're retarded.

>Many countries have free healthcare
EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS WAITING LISTS, YOU LYING SACK OF SOCIALIST SHIT

>and are better for it
This is just the opinion of a retard and a liar.

Is there a list of voice actors that fucked themselves by striking?

>unions
yeah fuck off boiny sandles. goddamn unions are only there as paypigs for the DNC while doing nothing for people in it or rarely barely enough so people won't riot against them.
based drumpf fucked unions and see how hard it hit the DNC paycheck wise lmao get fucked degenerate libshits

>EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS WAITING LISTS, YOU LYING SACK OF SOCIALIST SHIT
I never said they didn't. In fact I even admitted at there worst they can last up to a week.

Now not only are you mad. You've proven yourself illiterate. People like you shouldn't be allowed to vote. You can't read and and you can't think critically and when confronted with facts you just start seething.

By that same logic
>Workers have jobs
>Managers give jobs to workers
>Thus, anything that effects managers affects workers
>ect ect
Only a retard thinks that "these two groups are related" means that "These two groups have the same interests"

Why do socialist goons lack ALL nuance?

NO. Filthy goyim, enjoy the fucking CRUNCH, also implement more micropayments, marketing demands it!
OY VEY

>Customers should care more about the employment contracts professionals sign willingly than censorship that affects them and products they enjoy personally
You're fucking retarded for sure.

If only unions didnt turn to shitty workplace mafias

Based Bernie making Yea Forums's scrambled brains make Olympic level leaps in logic in order to be contrarian and also not complete corporate whores.

>I never said they didn't
Then they're not better, user.

There's still scarcity, only now that scarcity is "fair" in your shallow, short-sighted opinion.

>And can last up to a week
Oh, so you just backpedaled to another lie.
Fuck you. Goddamn you're scummy. Holy shit.

Why the fuck do "people fighting for the people" have to be scummy liars?

That's a false equivalence. I know you're not very smart but to be so intellectually dishonest. Managers and workers work independently of one another. if one disappears they can be replaced without harming the other.

Gamers need game developers. With game developers, there are no games. Because game development has gotten so brutal game quality has gone down and now there are worse games.

But of course you can't think that hard, can you?

>censorship that affects them and products they enjoy personally
>literally hurrr game developers have nothing to do with video games unless it's being someone I can yell at for shrinking my imaginary girlfriends titties
kek

>thinks gamers and devs are one and the same
>muh unions
not surprised this is coming from that old out of touch fag

>You like video games, don't you user?
>Well if you do, you'll have to support Based Commie Grandpa and Openly Marxist Union Group!

>That's a false equivalence.
Nope. But stay mad, faggot.

>Managers and workers work independently of one another. if one disappears they can be replaced without harming the other.
And you think developers are irreplaceable?

Yeah, again: NOPE.

The equivalence is spot on.
There is NO REASON I should care about developers.
They can fight their own battles without political hacks like you butting in.

>unionize
>go on strike to protest crunch time or some other shit
>fired and replaced within a week with the literal MILLIONS of graduated code monkeys who would rather be working on the thing they studied instead of flippin' burgers
It's the VA union all over again, except this one will be even worse because it won't be "only big companies that can stomach their ridiculous demands will hire them". It'll be "nobody will hire them".
Programmers are more replaceable than the computers they work on.

>Then they're not better, user
So you think "I can't get treatment without permanently crippling my family, because being alive is for rich people" is better than "I have to wait for treatment"

Naive child. as I said.

> "fair" in your shallow, short-sighted opinion.
Oh really. how is it unfair? how is more people actually being treated unfair in the long run?

>backpedaled
It's not backpeddling if it's in the original argument. Please don't use words you don't know the definition of.

You're clearly not very smart and you're just really mad at something you don't understand.

Of course I'd care more about titties in video games being censored than the employment contract some faggot developers willingly sign, how is this even a question you Subhuman Filth?

>Naive child
No, the naive child is the idiot who thinks passing a law can eliminate scarcity.

I mean, holy shit user, "being alive is for rich people"?
How fucking childish can you get, when this is your strawman?

Fuck you, and double fuck the fact that you think you're smart, cuz holy shit no.

Refugees welcome!

>Nope.
Not an argument

>And you think developers are irreplaceable?
If you want your video games on time and of quality then you really don't want to be playing dev roulette. Just look at the the PS3 era where tons of studios were sunk because sony didn't teach devs how to develop for the thing and so we got things like lair and sonic 06. These are called examples user. I'd recommend getting some before making (well failing at making) an argument.

>NOPE
Not an arguement

>The equivalence is spot on
I know you're not very smart so this may come as a surprise but saying something doesn't make it real.

>There is NO REASON I should care about developers.
Then you don't play video games? got it.

Imagine being a Bern victim twice in a row.
>No refunds

>that chicken scratching

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>passing a law can eliminate scarcity.
There you go again, with scarcity. Treatment isn't free, nothing is. however, The united states collects more than enough taxes to give everyone health care because the united states already has universal healthcare for dialysis. Did you know that? How many dialysis related catastrophes have you heard of?

But you're so mad at a concept that you don't understand that you didn't even look into it.

>the fact that you think you're smart
I know I'm smart. I wish you could say the same.

>Not an argument
And then I explained.
I don't think you know what arguments are.

>If you want your video games on time and of quality then you really don't want to be playing dev roulette.
That's not my business. They're not "my" games.
If one company fails, another will fill its market.

Maybe if you're a rabid fanboy and your itch for a certain genre can ONLY EVER be scratched by a specific company's franchise, then sure, but that's a pathetic sort of gamer, and even that person should be against unions for how they impact the solvency of a company.

As for somebody who isn't a fanboy, or a political hack, its NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
Now fuck off.
You're obviously one of these devs, and we are not your personal army, you faggot.

One of the biggest reasons the US shouldn't be diverting funding from taxes into anything other than paying off their national debt is that their national debt is so atrociously large that I don't even know how they're still even a country. These social policies would be a good idea if only the US wasn't literally a slave market for bankers.

>Treatment isn't free
That's not what socialists usually say (because they're liars).

>The united states collects more than enough taxes to
The US government runs a deficit, you retard.
If you add spending, especially something as MASSIVE as you're wanting, you either have a MASSIVE increase in taxes, or you sink the country's finances entirely.

Socialists will continue to be retards up until you realize that you will ALWAYS eventually run out of other people's money.
Your scummy refusal to acknowledge this is why people throw you out of helicopters.

>And then I explained.
and I replied to that explanation. once again, you prove yourself illiterate. I scanned and didn't see a single example meaning you're talking out of your ass for the most part so I'm going to do what elementary school teachers do for ADHD children. Make your point in 10 words or less with at least one example or you have no point.

>fem Yea Forums is still bald
OH NO NO NO

>One of the biggest reasons the US shouldn't be diverting funding from taxes into anything other than paying off their national debt is that their national debt is so atrociously large that I don't even know how they're still even a country.
If the US went delinquent on their loans the global economy would crash. Bankers would sooner forgive the debt than see all their money become worthless. The US debt limit is a complete non issue, a formality that keeps bankers happy and keeps the military and other ambitions padded out. it can grow ad infinitum and not create a single problem which is why it's been growing ad-infinitum since 1835. National debt is a non-factor only used for scare mongering because news channels know people like you have no idea what it actually means.

Okay, explain to me this
>you work dogshit hours
>you are forced to overclock
>you are treated like a type monkey
>you are getting paid fuck all
>people are online blaming YOU for your manager's retardation
>literally anywhere the same job (coding/3d modeling/whatnot) would be paid at least double
>the end product that you've helped to made make 7-8 digits, while you are getting a pat on the back
>7 days of vacation a year, but don't you dare using them
>constantly on the verge of being fired just cause

>love my job, wouldn't trade it for anything, we are making GAMES
Is this an american thing or what?

nobody actually believes this, people are kept from unionizing by laws and regulatory framework more than propaganda. The people saying "if you unionize then Indians will invade your office and rip your flesh" are a minority. Most people want the days of union control and high pay to come back.

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>hey guys so how should we stop companies from abusing their workers

>How about regulating them with legislation
>NO GOVERMENT REGULATION IS BAD YOU CAN'T HAVE THE GOVERMENT INTEFERING WITH MARKETS

>Okay how about having the workers band together, that way it's the market regulating itself in an effective way
>NO THAT'S ALSO BAD FOR SOME REASON

>Acts like a psuedo-intellectual asshole
>Needs me to shorten to 10 words
Sorry, if you can't grasp the more complicated concepts, you should just excuse yourself from the conversation rather than puffing your chest and acting self-important.

Why is it that 100% of the time, you people are pricks?
Good god.

>NO GOVERMENT REGULATION IS BAD
Nonsense.
We need to regulate social media to stop their political censorship, after all.

It's not even devs. A lot of the people pushing hard for this are "community managers" and the like. Or part of San Fran based companies like Telltale which went under, where 70K is a poverty wage.

>Don't need to live anywhere specific to dev games, just need computers and an internet connection
>Decide to make a studio in the most shit covered and expensive city in the union
>Companies pander to star struck fools that think they're fulfilling their dream of making video games and exploits them
>Devs don't think twice about looking for another company somewhere that doesn't cost a fortune to live or for a company that doesn't make them work 14 hours a day 5 days a week

Start up an Oklahoma studio and you'll live like a king.

Unions do not make things more expensive. If they try that nobody will buy those games and they will be forced to lower the price

>That's not what socialists usually say (because they're liars).
No one says it's free, the point is that taxes would cover it so everyone pays a smaller amount and everyone gets treated without going into debt.

>The US government runs a deficit, you retard.
All nations run at a deficit, you retard.

>If you add spending, especially something as MASSIVE as you're wanting
But it's entirely feasible with minor tax changes. it'd also alleviate several economic issues caused by our pitiful healthcare system.

> you either have a MASSIVE increase in taxes
Massive is a strong word. Not more than 20$ more for the average American is needed with adjustments to how we tax millionaires.

>or you sink the country's finances entirely.
this is tied to the world's finance. unless a famine happens that drops our economic output, we're fine.

>you will ALWAYS eventually run out of other people's money.
You do know the nation's money is literally everyone's money? of course you don't.

Everyone can go to a hospital and can't be denied service. It's not an artificial scarcity, it just makes people think twice about going because their elbow hurts a little, and siphons of minor things to clinics and smaller practices, instead of clogging up hospitals.

>No one says it's free
feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-healthcare/

Stopped reading there.
Its pointless to talk with bold-faced liars.
You are scum.

But that's the thing user, If you had complicated concepts there'd have been at least one example. Did you think Isaac Newton's laws came into existence because he went "It's like this because I said so."? no, he had examples, proof. As it is you just say things and really want them to be true while I was even able to give you examples of times where shafting devs resulted in worse games for gamers. You're out of your element, you're not very smart. So if you can't make your point in ten words and one example then you have no point.

Here's my point
Bad treatment of game devs means worse games for gamers.

Example:
During the launching phase of the PS3 sony made the cell processor unusually difficult to develop for and when asked for support sony barely offered any, rarely in english. This resulted in several bad, barely functional games for the PS3 from LAIR all the way to the beyonette PS3 port.

No where in that entire article does it say that healthcare will be free. in fact the only time "free" is used in the context of "no cost" is
>care that is always free **at the point of service**
After a paragraph LITERALLY about what it'd cost in taxes.

>Stopped reading there.
Are you sure you didn't stop reading because you're illiterate. You didn't even read the link you posted.

Why are you seething so hard at something you clearly don't understand?

Example of what, user?

My entire argument is that "our interests do not align" between gamers and developers.

I mean, I guess if you actually played any games, I wouldn't have to explain concepts like microtransactions and such, but as it stands, you're an idiot blathering out of his depth.

Its impossible to explain anything to you when you already think you know everything.

How was that? Less than ten words, AND an example. Now go fuck yourself.

Communism will win.

>Doesn't know what "free" means.
Who the fuck are you calling illiterate, you communist peasant?

It's already won, take a look on the news and see all the trannies and pride parades going on.

>our interests do not align
You're doing a good job

> I guess if you actually played any games, I wouldn't have to explain concepts like microtransactions and such, but as it stands, you're an idiot blathering out of his depth. its impossible to explain anything to you when you already think you know everything.

annnnd yikes. Come user, you're so close. Why do your interests not align with the people literally making your interests? I'd think that if you didn't share interests about food quality with your chef then you'd be in for a bad meal.

No, game development requires skill. People could live through some shitty voices to a degree, but no one is going to buy a completely broken game.

why don't any of these retards just start their own company, surely they can prove their point and show that providing a better working environment will produce better games?

learn supply and demand commies

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The biggest difference between communism and capitalism:

When communists "win" and successfully build their system, it is the same moment that their system starts to collapse.

free: adverb: without cost or payment.

What do you think it means?

Imagine it eight times.

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That's an explanation in under ten words, and an example.

You've only further proven your lack of good faith by responding with snide bullshit rather than an argument.

Thank you for illustrating why nobody should EVER listen to communist scum.

Think outside the box just a tiny bit, user

"Free" always means that somebody else is paying for it.

Of course this applies to your precious "free" healthcare.

And you people are incapable of admitting that you WILL EVENTUALLY run out of other people's money, which is what makes you political con-men.

>why don't you just summon infinite money and make your own EA (a 37 year old company).
The indie game boom didn't happen because of magic. exactly what you said is happening but since money doesn't teleport into people's hand they're on a smaller scale. You should also learn basic economics.

Saying "There's this thing that I won't explain because you're an idiot" isn't an example user. F-. You keep falling back on "I'm right because I say so." and it's adorable

>implying you need EA money to make a good game
If there was any doubt that you were non-gamer political hacks...

Communism is a one way street once you install it everything collapse and it takes decades to go back, if you even manage to do so.

>reduced to sweetie-posting
Sadly, there is nothing adorable about you.
You're a communist BECAUSE you're a scummy asshole.

>When communists "win" and successfully build their system, it is the same moment that their system starts to collapse.
I mean, the said can be said for capitalism. It's just that there's a class system that you can blame for that rather than a collective whole.

>Goddamn you're scummy. Holy shit.
Ironic

Shut up Bernie croak ALREADY

>gay and trannies are communism
Homosexuality was illegal in many communist countries, what now you retarded revisionist shitstain?

And capitalism isn’t? The ussr only collapses because it existed in a capitalist world. We destroy capitalism then communism wins.

>I mean, the said can be said for capitalism.
While all systems ultimately collapse, capitalism has been the largest driver for prosperity in history.

A peasant like you owns a computer because of capitalism, and no rhetoric can deny that reality.

On the other hand, the "achievement" of a communist victory is to pull everyone down so that EVERYONE but the ruling class is reduced to peasants.
Even calling that a "victory" is ironic. Bitterly so for people who have lived it.

I'm starting to feel like this is in fact a troll post.

>Think outside the box just a tiny bit, user
>"Free" always means that somebody else is paying for it.
Free by definition means at no extra cost. If you pick an apple from a tree you're not assaulting someones wallet assuming that tree is not commercial.

>Of course this applies to your precious "free" healthcare.
You're the only one saying it's free as in at no cost, because you don't know what you're talking about and you're really really mad. Even the link from bernie himself never says it's free as in at no cost. Everyone has agreed that it's going to take taxes, like literally everything.

Have we run out of other people's money for free roads, policemen, firemen, and universal healthcare for dialysis?

I'd recommend understanding things before getting mad at nothing.

Daily reminder that unless you work in a factory or a job of this type, all unions are cancer that destroy whatever industry they infiltrate. anyone advocating for unions is a fucking brainlet that can't succeed based on his own skill and merits and want to gain status through bribery, connections, and sucking up to union managers.

>Normal person's idea of scummy:
>Lie and mislead to get your way
>Distort facts to create a false narrative
>Ignore all mathematical reality when it doesn't suit you

>Communist idea of scummy:
>Not being communist

>calarts game devs are burned out

make a fucking good game first before you eventually complain.

>capitalism has been the largest driver for prosperity in history
I'm not even a commie pusher, but thinking this "prosperity" bullshit is true shows how ignorant you really are. For a few to prosper a lot has to suffer, that's the way it always been, just because you don't live in a mud hut and have more than one pair of shoes doesn't mean "prosperity" is a real thing.
Not saying that communism would be better, but stick your head out of your ass at least once you retard.

Did you miss the part about indie games on wards or can you not read? People have started companies that don't treat their employees like shit but they aren't as big as EA because EA is huge and old. Starting a small company won't make money teleport into their hands and it doesn't excuse EA and companies like them destroying their employees lives and making worse games for it.

>tfw he wins in 2020

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>le "if you're a product of that system using made products of that system, then you can't complain about it" fallacy
Soviets had computers too.

Also the collapse of capitalism in America would probably arguably be worse than that of the USSR. Hell, some places in America are already worse than that of the 3rd world developing nations. See: Flint, Michigan

>that can't succeed based on his own skill and merits and want to gain status through bribery, connections, and sucking up to union managers
So basically anyone but instead of union managers is sucking up to your boss?

we haven't seen an old power figure of the left die. they're fucking vampires.

>there is nothing adorable about you
Why of course not, because I'm intelligent and posting really scary facts. Adorable is for simpletons who form opinions they don't understand.

>If you pick an apple from a tree
If you pick an apple from a non-commercial tree, then your actions are outside of the economy, and the term "free" doesn't apply.

This is the naturalistic fallacy of communists. You think everything should be "free" because its "free" in nature.

However, in the economy, where the term "Free" actually applies, "Free" ALWAYS means that somebody else is paying for it.

Protip, since you're too stupid to have noticed: Communists advertise "free" healthcare ect to obscure their real intent of vindictively fleecing the rich.

Of course, this is self-defeating, since you always run out of other people's money.

>For a few to prosper a lot has to suffer
This is pure ignorance, and yes, you are a commie for thinking it.

Compare your quality of life to any pre-capitalist person.

YOU LITERALLY LIVE LIKE A KING, YOU STUPID SHIT.

No faggot, you just suck at your job and blame it on other factors. Never had to suck up to any boss in my life.

hi resetera

>Soviets had computers too.
But they didn't invent them, and never would have.

>really scary facts
The only think scary is that anyone is stupid enough to believe your lies.

I take back what I said tho. Its adorable that you think your arrogance is persuasive to anyone.

You live like a king because of a strong government that's held accountable by its citizens through representative democracy.
You're just as bad as the communists, thinking everything can be boiled down to economics and assuming the rest will follow. It doesn't.

>no one will buy a broken game
Uh huh.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_microprocessors

>Democracy made you rich
No, democracy tried its best to stop your prosperity.

There's nothing more populist than communism, and this reveals the short-sightedness of the mob.

Probably cause you've never had a job

FEEL THE F*CKING BERN Yea Forums

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>and the term "free" doesn't apply.
again free by definition means at no cost so it literally applies. Are you mad at the dictionary too?

>"Free" ALWAYS means that somebody else is paying for it.
Yes, we call those taxes. Everyone pays taxes (atleast they should.)

>Communists advertise "free" healthcare ect
no one is saying this but you. it's not even on burnie's website.

>vindictively fleecing the rich.
is that why you're mad? because your sugar daddy would have to pay more in taxes.

>since you always run out of other people's money.
Have we run out of other people's money for free roads, policemen, firemen, the military and universal healthcare for dialysis?

>Soviets engineered computers
>Therefore, they invented computers
Truly you have a mind like a steel trap.

>trusting a jew
Yikes
>trusting a Jewish communist
Yikes and cringe

>your arrogance is persuasive to anyone
it's very persuasive to people who are also intelligent and also post facts. things that you can't do.

If we're shifting the goalposts based off the merits of invention, then Commies invented the basis of universal healthcare before Captialists did.

>again free by definition means at no cost so it literally applies.
"financial cost" is another concept in economics, and is just as invalid in non-economic situations.

Y'know, another scummy thing about you people is that you try to make these semantic arguments (i.e. "free" has nothing to do with economics.), and you'll cite the dictionary as if there can be not deeper understanding of language.

BUT THEN you'll turn around and claim that "racism is power and privilege, so only white people can be racist", which not only deviates from the definition, but its an intentional subversion of language.

Could you just start the civil war, already? There's really no point it talking with somebody this awful.

>very persuasive to people who are also intelligent
Correction: "To people who are as intelligent as you".

Have a nice day, "user".

Lel try again, I'm a manager in a hitech company, got from programming to management in this company in less than a year. Previously had my own company and before that had few random jobs, all considered high end.

Again, I never had to suck to anyone just be good at what I do and know when to request promotions. You just suck. Like anyone who want to unionize, which make sense, small fish only got a chance against the sharks if they band together.

>I don’t want to wait a few days for treatment! I’d rather go into crippling debt!
Do Americans really do this?

You're going to have to name some communist governments that were legitimately elected before I can take you seriously

>Previously had my own company
And what happened to that company, user? Did it fail? Were you a shit boss? Was it the system? Easy to say when you actually never had a real job (Hint: Self employment isn't actually a real job)

at no point have I strayed away from defined definitions. The only one using subversive language is you which is why you keep dodging points like neo in matrix and then flying around with the goalpost.

>"Free" ALWAYS means that somebody else is paying for it.
>Yes, we call those taxes. Everyone pays taxes (atleast they should.)
>you always run out of other's people's money
>Have we run out of other people's money for free roads, policemen, firemen, the military and universal healthcare for dialysis?

Why would you be wiling to go to war over something you clearly don't understand?

>"To people who are as intelligent as you"
>admitting my intelligence and by proxy your adorableness
>telling me to have a nice day like you would a superior
Wow, I honestly wish more of your kind would know their place.

>legitimately
What's the point of even asking when you sneak in a word that would let you dispute literally ANY example?

You might as well say, "I refuse to take you seriously under any circumstances", drop the pretense of making an argument, and fuck off.

>Have we run out of other people's money for free roads, policemen, firemen, the military and universal healthcare for dialysis?
Oh my god, you accidentally made an argument!

But yes, we've run out of money doing all those things.
That's what a "deficit" is.

Tragically, you people don't understand the effect that raising taxes has on the economy (protip: Its NOT increased tax revenue).

Its hilarious thinking you're too stupid to pick up on that slight, but you're honestly probably just being dishonest again.

Yeah it failed like most companies do, and it wasn't the system fault we just chose a wrong marketing strategy and ran out of funds. In small companies that struggle in a highly competitive market sometimes you roll the dice and some times you lose, such is life. Learned a lot from it though.
>Easy to say when you actually never had a real job (Hint: Self employment isn't actually a real job)
But I did have a "real job" before that, and I have now. I probably earn today more than you ever will. I agree normally "self employment" is bs, but when you get to the point you get investors, an office, few workers and paying salary to yourself like we did it's no longer bs and sort of a real thing. Feels good giving people employment, even if only for a short while.

I don't take you seriously, if I'm being honest. And yes, you can objectively measure if an election was conducted legitimately. It's not especially difficult, authoritarians are rarely subtle
So lets hear it. You claim that democracy leads to communism because of populism. So give me an example. Usually communism crops up in backwards crapholes with backwards governments (Russia, China and the like) through violent revolution

these shit for brains code monkeys get paid the shit wages they deserve. A.I. will replace them soon enough.

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>you can objectively measure if an election was conducted legitimately. It's not especially difficult, authoritarians are rarely subtle
Jesus, what a hot take.

Anyway, have a nice day and fuck off.

i know people who legitimately believe that HRT does this, and view themselves as such
sad

>Yea Forums is actually defending multibillion dollar corporations and not the actual devs
I want post-2016 shills to leave

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Oh sure, when some spear chucker claims he received 120% of the vote he's obviously conducting things legitimately. Or people with guns ensuring that the electorate vote the right way, yeah you'll never catch that.
Just want to get that out there, just so people know what a shitty little weasel you are

>not the actual devs

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owned

with an industry crash

>the actual devs

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If you like giving people employement, then do you agree with the concept of redistrubiting wealth back into the economy by giving your workers a higher salary, or just undergo wealth hoarding like most CEOs and higher corporations do after they elect politicans and governments that slash their taxes?

Why would improving worker conditions improve game quality? A programmer is still going to write the same stupid code only now he has to do less.

Because anyone with talent is just going to fuck off to fields where they get paid more and aren't treated like crap.
So all you're left with are retards and people with more passion than brains.

No, I believe people should be rewarded according to their value. It's quite simple really, if somehow jerking off worth someone enough that he's willing to pay you 40k just to sit and jerk off, by all means, go ahead. If a CEO risked job security and sacrificed a good chunk of his life to grow a business, I don't care if he swims in gold like a filthy pig. Even if he didnt start the company, if he's talented and important enough that someone willing to pay him that much- good for him.

Creating artificial jobs is bad.
Not firing excess fat because union is bad.
Giving someone less than what he's worth so you can pay someone else who don't deserve it more is bad
And tax cuts and other tricks are also bad and immoral, fuck those people with tax shelters and whatnot (when it's personal wealth at least).

>The US debt limit is a complete non issue
ah yes, which is why the government is hellbent on decreasing it rather than just increasing it further. For fuck sake, why do leftard always fail at economic it made a commie superpower turned capitalist.

A job is a fucking job nigger. All your doing by raising salaries is reducing the number of jobs that the company will be willing to give out. Meaning that someone is going to have to forgo employment because of this. It also makes the job finding process less competitive cus now people can't work for less. Why should someone who will do the same job I would but wants more money get the job over me???

t. looking for a job as we speak

>When you're retarded but you have to lie to make you extra retarded.
Your average American game dev gets paid more than whatever job that you're currently doing in your 3rd world shithole.

because they're kids in the 18-25 year old range that don't understand just how bad companies are fucking their workers in the ass

They've only increased it. If they wanted to decrease it they could do it over night and all it would cost is a few savings accounts.

Noooooooo they'll continue to work the same job and complain about the conditions like they always have. Nothing will change.

If you own a company and can't pay your employees a decent wage so that they can live a good life, then it's a shit fucking company. Also, since you're jobless, who would you say you would blame for the reason why you don't have a job? The system, or these greedy companies that would rather import minorities to do the job for them because it's cheaper? These companies don't work in the better interest for society, and anything that is attempting to argue the opposite is literally delusional.

>Homosexuality was illegal in many communist countries
but those aren't real communism :^)

>then Commies invented the basis of universal healthcare before Captialists did.
Literally pulled straight out of your ass since feudalism did that shit first.

>is a manager
>hates unions
well explains a lot.
Your reaction shows that they are doing their job

No, they've already left. Or they won't go into the field anyway because it's not worth it.

>thinks gamers and devs are one and the same
Every since they aren't they industry has gone to shit.

>your economic system is so shit, it needs to absolutely destroy its competitor in order to actually get it up and running
pathetic

If anything im treated TOO well at my game industry job

I can play ping pong for like an hour without being told to get back to work, i can comfortably browse youtube for videos and music to put in the background, my office basically provides free lunch everyday, and I can leave like 30 minutes early every day of the week and still put down max hours

Maybe sweatshop devs like rockstar and blizzard need unionization but you dont work at those places because the pay is so much better or something. i make what a mid level rockstar employee makes at my 20 person studio, they work there because they want to be part of something iconic, and you dont make something iconic without some tears and distraught families. Dont like it? Go work for one of the thousands of smaller contract based studios who take small jobs from bigger studios. Someone WILL take your place to be part of red dead 3

>lets destroy the sole thing powering adult creativity and ingenuity and then everything will be fine

The stupid union niggers who are working less hard than I would and are still getting paid whilst I'm broke. At least the minority is willing to work harder for less but the union nigger doesn't deserve it.

No shit they don't work in the better interest of society, nobody does and especially not the fucking union nigger. We all work to suit our own interests but because of this shit people who are more effective and determined are losing out whilst the less competitive are gaining.

You're replying to the wrong guy you absolute retard.

You'll never understand why communism doesn't work. Until you realise that economics isn't the end all be all you'll make the same mistakes over and over

Valve?

>but no one is going to buy a completely broken game

I believe you aren't really that well informed about game development of the last 10 years.

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If their workers are also tranny trash that made horrible games, ban any kind of wrongthink and doesn't put players first and foremost then by all mean rot in hell.

No, capitalism has it's problems, it's not a perfect system, like anything with human input do, but it's the only one not suitable to collapse like socialism and anything derived from it, like fascism and interventionism.
>The ussr only collapses because it existed in a capitalist world
Isnt socialism supposed to "work" on it's own? What other capitalist countries had to do it with USSR or any other country that adopted socialism and collapsed?

>Yea Forums jannies are required to have discord knowledge and Yea Forums has constant adverts for vidya servers
does that mean Yea Forums is trans

>If they wanted to decrease it they could do it over night and all it would cost is a few savings accounts.
Which is why they're doing it any minute now.....

chan jannies are required to have discord knowledge
Wut?

>That's what a "deficit" is.
all countries run at a deficit. see also that arguement was made two posts ago and you ignored it. Raising taxes on everyone results and decreased market activity which is why we raise taxes on people who can afford to pay more. God you're bad at this.

I picked up on it, but you weren't smart enough to pick up on how you just admitted to being adorable and thus facilitated my comeback. You didn't contemplate your words so I used them against you. (to be fair, you don't contemplate much)

>Which is why they're doing it any minute now.....
They don't want to do it because it'd cost them money and would be ultimately unnecessary like the time we did it in 1835, realized we'd essentially thrown away money and then let it increase ad-infinitum.

Every nation is in billions and trillions of dollars of debt. No ones going to collect because the debt holders live on earth and would rather not cause a financial apocalypse over a few bucks.

Lemme guess, silver spooner.

>USSR or any other country that adopted socialism and collapsed?
USSR collapsed because they Gorbachev loosened his party's grasp on their puppet countries and experimented with integrating capitalism like china did, leading to political and military coups. Historically communists nations have always advanced faster than captilist ones as eastern Europe found out after WW2. Please read a book.

steamdb.info/app/785260/depots/
TSR is getting an update on Steam.

imagine actually being this retarded

Doesn't the US have laws dictating worker's rights, and also generic unions that act as watchdogs? I find it strange how the worker can be so utterly abused by companies.

Which of them is the father?

>no, gamers must only rise up for leftists issues. Because unions to destroy the industry is more important then censorship

Remember, /pol/ needs to stay out of Yea Forums, unless its for far left political issues like unions, then they have a right to stay and are vidya.

Why are leftists so fucking evil?

Gonna start a party that advocates for a 70 hour work week with no benefits brb

Someone actually took the time to make this because they were that butthurt.

Christ, its amazing how all leftists now unironically embrace pic related now.

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Management is the worlds greatest scam

That's because your a dumbshit, Japan doesn't need video game unions and unlike the US, I would be "slightly" more sympathetic too it. Every single dipshit screaming about wanting a union are far left tranny ugly blue haired men and women on twitter. If these are the union leaders of any future game developer union, then that raises a serious red flag.

But more over, these fucktards are complaining about having to deal with being game developers. Oh dear, you knew what you were getting into, yet you're complaining? That's it. And only idiotic Europeans and very brown mutts are supporting a game developer union.

The only reason why I would support it is so that western games and their degenerate values are put to a halt.

>Because unions to destroy the industry
>fair work practices will destroy the industry, my imaginary GF's titties are what's best for everyone
yikes. incels man.

>Unions
There are reasons unions died

Somehow, these filters make that gif less scary.

There is no more a true gamer than someone who dedicates their time to making the game. If you don't make your own games then you don't know SHIT about the vidya.

There is a reason america is becoming a third world country

>be presented with economic leftism
>activate Grievance Politics circuit, Culture Wars subroutine #035
The way that YouTube ideologues have successfully programmed an entire generation of socially retarded zoomers is impressive if nothing else.

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what's berniestines policy on sending aid to isreal?

youtube.com/watch?v=zo5l-1r8OMo

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If he gets past the primaries I hope, otherwise I aint voting again

Japanese game devs might be part of RENGO, the biggest trade union in Japan.

But game development is literally a skill that many others can learn though just like voice acting. There's probably already a bunch of people who can do it just as well that would kill to take their jobs.

If a company wants to replace you, they'll fucking replace you.

>Management is the worlds greatest scam
100% true
A lot of problems with our socio-economic lives have more to do with the rise of managerialism than "unfettered capiatalism" or whatever

I really fucking wish all these deadbeat chapo leftist would actually take note of some post-Marxist theory instead of shitting social media with le bourgeois are literally starving us bullshit.

This isn't the 1800's. There are almost no "capitalists" anymore. There are impersonal multinational corporations operating in sync with world governments. These corporations are being run as petty dictatorships by members of the credentialed professional-managerial class. This new class is the new master class, they are the ones who run the media, they are the ones that occupy government bureaucracies, they are the ones who support fuckers like Obama and Hillary. Through their pension funds, they control the majority stake in all major corporations. Like the old bourgeois, can be separated into "petit" (your schlubby HR middle manager Karen) and "haute" (lizard-faced tech CEOs who eat unfiltered bird shit for breakfast).
And on the other side of the scale, the new servant class isn't the working "proletariat" but the sleep-deprived "precariat".

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>This isn't the 1800's. There are almost no "capitalists" anymore. There are impersonal multinational corporations operating in sync with world governments. These corporations are being run as petty dictatorships by members of the credentialed professional-managerial class.

This is literally the exact same thing Lenin said and what Marx himself all but said. Are you some Kautsky tier revisionist?

>"If you don't make your own games then you don't know SHIT about the vidya."

Nah, games are software like any other. Any software developer can understand how these processes go.

Yes, what triple A needs right now is a gigantic international brain drain along with worse games.

yikes

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Prices do not do concern me.

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what

>sucking corporate dick to own the trannies
the absolute state of Yea Forums

Wow. A commie supports unions? Who knew?

Also, outside of Toby Fox, there isn't a single American game developer that deserves money. Have you seen American video games? Bernie could be a game developer today.

Sanders supported the commies of Venezuela, now they are starving. Yea Forums, what is the Venezuela of the video game industry?

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> undertrannies

Not necessarily, pretty sure that suit knows a better time than some devs that just write code all day or sculpt models.

>There are almost no "capitalists" anymore. There are impersonal multinational corporations operating in sync with world governments
So capitalism

I would support Venezuelan sovereignty over the fucking imperialist US of A that's been trying (and failing) for decades to get that Venezuelan oil kek.

I voted for Bernie the last election and I'm going to do it again.

Then you would starve to death. Good riddance to dead commies.

Sorry. Can you tell me what American game in the past five or six years is better?

Capitalism was a word commies created to slander people who believed in a free market, and those people, not getting the hint, started calling themselves capitalists. Now no one knows what it means.

The economy should be free. The problem isn't corporations in bed with the government, the problem is that government exists, at all. What do they do? Take people's money? What has the American government accomplished? They've killed a lot of foreigners. True. They are constantly threatening to censor the Internet. Oh, good. They're currently threatening to repeal the Second Amendment. Sweet. In the 60s, they desegregated the country and opened the borders against the will of the people, even threatening them with military force. Awesome.

Where would we be without them?

if he even makes it to 2020

>socialism

That's gonna be a cringe and a yikes from me, famalam.

>not only corporate bootlicker but also imperialist bootlicker

and he cucked out for m'lady how does that make you feel?

>imperialist US of A
>America dumps millions of dollars on third-world shitholes every year
>has become a resource pig for non-white creatures
Oh, man, let me in on this imperialism I hear so much about. Has this imperialism acquired us some land where white people aren't discriminated against? I'll take one ticket there, please.

Xcom 2

Go to bed, Rich Evans.

>revenue
>profit

Huh?

How badly did the voice actor strike end up?

*extremely high-pitched laughter*

Worst thread on Yea Forums, and that's saying something.

I'm fully in support of unionized developers because I don't buy games from the big name studios that these people are trying to attack and hopefully the rise in price will scare away some normies from the industry

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Does Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya ring any bells? I mean you either have to be a newfag or someone who has amnesia to be this ignorant and this is only covering US intervention from the 00s onward.

>imperialist

Look at all those imperialist Americans invade other countries. Oh wait. It's the complete fucking opposite. I wish America was imperialist, then we could at least defend our own borders.

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Former industryfag. Unions never work because as soon as a studio catches wind of people trying to start them just the sack the people endorsing/promoting/trying to start them. They just find some excuse to cut them.

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See Holy shit do you people have amnesia or something?

>game creators
>gamers

pls to die

I wish all american devs unionize so companies will have to use devs from other countries. Preferably slavs and japs.

>implying a majority of Yea Forums was born before 9/11
I doubt any of these fuckheads remember GW Bush

Yeah, I fucking doubt that, bucko

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why do unions make americans butthurt?

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Hey um excuse me sweetie
I need to let you know your behavior is like SOO TOXIC right now
I mean this is just a fun little game for US GAMERS
#girlgamer #girlpower
But seriously like that talk is soooooo 2014
I mean you're acting like a beta male incel alt right goober
We all need to be nice to each other
We're all queens and superheroes because we protest!
Omg daddy Tony Stark would be so proud of me
UwU

That would explain a lot.

I can’t be a true car aficionado because I wasn’t involved in the production of it

>See

I saw your bullshit the first time. I'm still not impressed.

why is it always a jew in the USA pushing unions, there is even a famous movie about a jew pushing unions on to stupid low class white people. The movie ends with the jew moving to the next town to start a union.

youtu.be/45CX8W9peTs

stupid bootlicker

because

>RAMBO TOLD ME SOCIALISHM BADDDDDDDDDDDD AND UNIONS ARE SOCIALISHHSMM

>v
>vr
fucking leave

if the German Empire and the nation state that it was can be considered "feudalism". otto van bismack also literally created the worlds first welfare state. staatssozialismus

exactly

>revenue=profit
Someone doesn't understand simple economics it seems...

>Iraq, Afghanistan
How is that American imperialism when we didn't even get anything out of it? That's just America being the world government's military. I didn't want to go to war in the Middle East. I don't now. I would prefer wiping it off the face of the Earth if I had to do something about mudslimes, but I'd prefer to leave them alone.
>Libya
America didn't go into Libya. Obama went over Congress's head and went to the UN to deal with Libya. What have I gotten out of Libya? Gaddafi's death is one of the reasons the West is being flooded by niggers. You think I wanted that? You think any Americans did, besides the aristocrats?

Lmfao please move to Venezuela and get run over by a government MRAP. Fucking gringo who can’t think for himself.

I really don’t know if you’re serious or not. That’s the thing I hate about this, and most boards.

Reuben Langdon said it best:
>If the voice actors get residuals for their work, then the programmers, directors, producers, and testers get them, too.
>What I do is so small compared to what the actual creators of the game do. I honestly get too much credit for something so small.

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the problem is that government exists, at all
so america shouldnt be the land of the americans but a free for all zone where the chinese government can just land in full force and do whatever the fuck they want_? interesting.

very cringe post my friend, do better

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Is he Dante?

As a general rule, I'm pro-union, and this is probably a good thing for the developers.

As a player/consumer, it doesn't matter at all, and I don't see why Yea Forums would particularly care one way or the other outside of whatever their personal politics are.

>How is that American imperialism when we didn't even get anything out of it?
dude, you literally forced them to contract your companies for "rebuilding". iraq had to buy a lot of us stuff.

This isn't all that great of a statement either. A big reason as to why Darkest Dungeon is such a meme machine is because the narrator gives the game its own unique character. The whole matter of residuals is down to a case-by-case thing and I'd be willing to bet that a lot of developers/publishers are willing to pay extra for certain voice actors, the thing about the VA union is that most vidya VAs are forgettable trash

Yes. He's Dante, Ken, Chris Redfield (mocap only), and a few others.

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user this whole crunch time bullshit is from a bunch of salty loner mofos who thought that finally getting a job in the business would jet propel them to stardom and commanding power and are jelly that they have to work their way up the totem poll like their boomer parents told them millions of times.

The narrator is super integral to that game (I'm assuming), so it's natural that they get special treatment. But for most games, the voice is just audio clips. You can make a great game with no voices, but you can't make any game with just talking and nothing else.

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The thing in general about residuals for the voice actors is that their work is a fraction of what the devs actually put into the game, and there are very few games that people buy solely because they liked the voice acting

roasties managing social media pages or the coffee machine who join the "game developers union" arent gamers.

>How is that American imperialism when we didn't even get anything out of it?
Imagine being this naive lmao.
Those countries just happened to be ones rich in oil.

>Unions get created for publishers
>Companies still fire everyone and move development to shithole countries for cheaper development.

BTFO.

That was my point, I agree with the both of you but I was just leaving a reminder that studios most likely will have a grasp on if their VAs have stardom power, it just so happens that the union was packed with shit VAs. Even Nolan North sidestepped the union super hard by mentioning that vidya is a sum of its parts. The VA union was never gonna have the kind of power to sway companies in the long term. Truth be told I don't think these people will have much power either, people are making it sound like it's all developers who are getting the shaft but it's mostly QA folk who are getting the short end of the stick and big name companies don't have QA as the highest of priorities anyways.

2 moms
their fate was sealed when they were adopted by lesbians

The companies can leave on the condition that they leave behind all the tech, equipment and facilities for making games. Hopefully a bunch of asshats with free time can use them to make some fucking games.

Remember when the developers defended Epic store debacle as a way that they will be getting more money? Good times

Yeah and now their publishers are making way more money off of their work! Go publishers!

Or they leave with their shit anyways and ignore some stupid idea from some random faggot on the interent

Does anyone else find it funny when a bunch of people band together to try and convince you that they're worth more than they actually are?

Everyone says they're worth more, but no one is willing to put in the effort to make themselves worth more. If you can be easily replaced, that's your own fault for not perfecting your craft.

>no one is going to buy a completely broken game

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At least i'm not a faggot defending AAA companies on the internet.

No. We have guns.

You're a retard. That's literally nothing. The amount of money spent on the war dwarfs whatever those companies made. Also, there were contractors from all over the world in Iraq, are you high?

We didn't get oil from them. Also, America and Canada are rich in oil. Do you people just say random shit and hope no one notices it doesn't make sense?

> hurr i dun wan it
Nobody gives a shit what a consumer-slave thinks
Americans are retarded narcissists that think just because their country is the most powerful on earth the same applies to their mall sharting ass

>america dindu nuffin he a good boy!!!
The fucking naivety holy shit

>(You)

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>le trannie
epic

What's going to happen is more games being developed in russia, ukraine, poland, japan and china, taiwan, hong kong, vietnam. This is a good thing. California shithole needs to die off.

>implying the 25 diversity hire black women actually work on anything
you can't be this retarded

>Le trannie
That's no way to talk to a lady user, how dare you?!?!?!

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There aint that many, if no one wants to work for you your kinda fucked. many game companies are understaffed anyway

>far left political issues like unions
In what fucking world are unions far left?

>Nobody gives a shit what a consumer-slave thinks
The people are America. The government isn't.
>Americans are retarded narcissists that think just because their country is the most powerful on earth
That's questionable.
>the same applies to their mall sharting ass
Mall sharting ass. Tell me which country is oh so much better than me, user. I have PISA scores and PPP right here in front of me.

They did. I don't agree with the wars in the Middle East.

>In what fucking world is communism far left?

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what's gonna happen is that the trannies will be unemployed and/or the companies trying to raise prices/deliver even worse games will go under. western games are already overpriced garbage, having a hard time to stay afloat, and lootboxes will be banned in a few months

developing good games requires talent and dedication, trannies will be removed one way or another

Nice fantasy HFCS pig, oink oink to the slaughter

The blame lies solely with the publishers and funders. Good devs didn't stop existing, they just have their games watered down by nosy suits and HR parasites.