I don't get it. Women say there's nothing wrong with being promiscuous and dressing slutty...

> Do they just want to make nerds suffer for no reason?
pretty much, actually. The people who complain about characters outfits in games rarely participate in those kind of games and DEFINITELY have no intention on interacting with people who play those games no matter how much or little of a nerd they are. It's this constant "THOSE FUCKING NO LIFE INCEL NERD VIRGIN NECKBEARDS" ranting but why do you give a fuck about people who you do not interact with at all? I figure it's just some baseline cruelty or some sort of complex, constantly remind yourself "I am so much better than THOSE guys" even if those guys have literally never affected your life in any way shape or form

Attractive women dont care abiut attractive women in anything.

Ugly women and ugly men dont want to.see what is out of their league. Male sexualization is ok though.

Incidebtally this is a western thing. Japanese women who look at such characters would aspire to be beautiful like them. But thats a culture of impeoving oneself rather than assuming its always the world around them which must cbange for them

Couldn't b more simple

Women want attention. They feel threatened because men are starting to notice that jerking one out to lewd 2d waifus with an onahole is over all much better than dealing with entitled whores. Its the same reason why they are already trying to mess with sex robots. They fucking know that all they have to offer is their vagina. take that away from them and they have zero control and are forced to actually carry their own weight.

Women being sexy for themselves = good, empowering
Women being sexy as a product/for me = bad, designed for male gaze

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Torso too long

There's nothing slutty about wanting to wear a two-piece bikini on the beach. One-piece bikinis are patrician, though.

Have you not seen how many people complained about Ann wearing a cat suit? They say the game it's hypocritical due to this and needs to be fixed

>Male sexualization is ok though.
only because everyone is pretending it's not sexualization, though.

It's a power thing. Women say there's nothing wrong with those things, because being promiscuous and dressing slutty gives them power over horny men. Conversely, anyone can create a fictional character, and that makes feminine promiscuity and sluttery something that men can wield as power as well. It all makes sense if you stop thinking of it in terms of fairness and equality, and instead in terms of giving women power over men.

Simple, because it distracts them from the fact that they arent special or have a purpose in life. It's much easier to nitpick and criticize other people than to actually try to improve themselves

It's not hot women doing this, it's trannies and landwhales that feel like they're being personally attacked because a cartoon character has bigger honkers than them.

this is the correct answer. I'll also add that there's nothing wrong with sexy women made by men, or sexy men made by women or any combination therein, but what sucks is when that's all they get.

Did any of you fags actually see that new ghost busters all whamen remake? The only men they had in it were some strawman of an incel and a hot dude who was there for people to gush over and objectify. Shit was god awful.
But it's also 100% what happens to women in most media made before 2000 and why they're pissed. Women are played either as a joke or for tits or both, all female characters are shit, shallow, or so underdeveloped that even background characters are more interesting. That's why women were pissed.

Truth is its garbage when anyone does it, and women decided to ironically shitpost about it to bring attention to how retarded it is.

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Double standards go across gender, OP. There are also men who are upset that women dont give them sex or love and go out of their way to make trouble for them in pointless arenas, this is just the female equivalent. As other anons said its an ugly people problem, though ugliness in this case is a question of the hideousness of ones soul more than ones body.

If you're talking about the push against sexy women in video games you got it all wrong. It's not about making nerds suffer or about fighting patriarchy or whatever they pretend to achieve. It's about destroying traditional western society, video games are a target of choice because it's traditionally a white boy/white young male interest.

tldr; there is nothing to get it's just about fucking your shit up

Remember the formulas!

Made by a white woman + sexy character = empowerment

Made by a man + sexy character = patriarchy

Made by a non-white woman + sexy character = internalized patriarchy

Women are miserable all the time and want you to be as well.

Why can't we have that though? They make men designed to be attractive for women and no one gives a shit. Why is it only us they fuck with?

Have children. Have a traditional functioning family the way Jesus Christ intended for you to have. Have a body not tainted by tattoo and piercing mutilation. Have a life free of hedonism.

3D is PD

kunaboto

Honestly this most of all.

If you're making a product targeted at a young male audience and want to take advantage of the fact that young males like sexy girls without thinking too hard about it what's wrong about it?

If you're making a porn movie you just want a nice pair of tits, nobody gives a shit about "personality" or well written characters. It's the same in movies and games.

Also modern women are pretty worthless in general and their vagina is their biggest feature so I don't see what's wrong in portraying that in media.

>I'll also add that there's nothing wrong with sexy women made by men, or sexy men made by women or any combination therein, but what sucks is when that's all they get.

Exactly. I don't like the calls to censorship (yes, that's what it is, don't sugarcoat it) and I prefer Tifa with her formerly massive titties, but it makes sense to say you should be conscious of how you represent women in the media you create. That being said I think that the way a woman's written is way more important than if she has big tits or wears a skimpy outfit or whatever. I mean I don't think anyone but the most hardened annoying feminist would argue Bayonetta is anything but empowering.

lol, poor little incel reported my comment. Did I huwt youw feewings?

>Jesus Christ
Get a load of this faggot.

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I didn't report it

now go and have children

Characters arent empowering because they are not real
Fiction does not give real people power

Only fugly bitches and faggot hate beautiful woman

Sure, but the answer isnt to fucking do it back. You look like a fucking hypocrite and it undermines your stance. Also it can be argued that writing has overall improved across the board over time. If the original star wars trilogy were to come out today, people would say it would be too boring and by the books. Speaking of which, Leia was a perfect example of a strong female character. She was bold and wasnt completely helpless, but she also had vulnerabilities and wasnt fucking invincible.

Like I understand that past writing wasnt geared towards women before, but creating female Rambo is going to get you mocked in the current year when your entire stance is that you can do it soooo much better. Women need to drop the smug attitude when they do this shit and just focus on writing a compelling female character rather than pushing fucking gender politics and making a statement. And to learn how to take fucking criticism without falling back on muh bigotry.

Its ok when THEY DO IT
NOT WHEN YOU WANT THEM TOO IN YOUR POWER FANTASY INCEL

Have sex.
Have heterosexual sex with a woman.
I don't know how much more plainly I need to put it.

I have done all of the things I listed in
GO

AND

HAVE

CHILDREN

That's a double standard though. You don't see unattractive men trying to remove female sex toys from shops.

Too late, already got a vasectomy, since I like sex.

>Bayonetta is anything but empowering
Bayonetta is a joke character designed as a bizzaro Dante. There is nothing "empowering" or whatever buzzwords your discord friends like to use you onions guzzling nigger.

Not saying it's good or healthy, but people look to fictional characters as influences or role models all the time

Hey just here to tell you you're both fucking faggots, go make out somewhere else.

Women
>I can dress and act slutty if I want! Don't look at me that way, boys!
>A video game character that is sexualized? He's looking at her more than me!
>Stop sexualizing females in gaming!
>It's sexy

They're just jealous.

based

Why some people complain about sexyness in games but they dont complain about all those music videos of girls shaking their asses?
I blows my mind I mean what the fuck are they thinking???

Seething incel posts

Real answer

Stupid, yet somehow true

Only true statement in the thread

it's almost encouraged nowadays

I wonder what would happen if some gonzo dev released two games at the same time, both with extremely different art styles, but the exact same good gameplay. One with the cute sexy chicks and the other with "real" body type women. Would it answer the question of which sells better or would they just be attacked into oblivion?

>Go to hooters
>All the women dress like slut with their ass meat hanging out
>Adults bring their kids to hooters and are completely fine with all the ass meat hanging out in real time
For some reason this is fine.

>Play a fucking video game
>have a character showing ass meat
>ALL WOMEN AND WHITE KNIGHTS UNITE UP TO SEE THAT THE DEVELOPER AND/OR COMPANY IS SHUTDOWN unless they remove all the sexiness from the game
And for some reason this isn't fine.

>Be Senran Kagura
>Stayed loyal to SONY for over a decade
>Wake up one day and SONY kicks you out of the house unless you remove all sex
>You tell SONY "B-But we're a NICHE with a NICHE audience!"
>SONY be like "I don't give a fuck, my California LBGT, SJWs, White Knights want you out of our house"
And this is SONY

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Women are jealous of fictional girls. It's because they want to be promiscuous and slutty, that they can't stand men paying attention to drawings instead. The woman enjoys the power her body has over men, and goes mad when she realizes some bugman on an island could exert more power through his drawings than she ever will.

Its a male reproductive strategy but tweaked it so it works even better for women then when males use it.

Say leonardo di caprio enters the room. Of course all the women would start ovulating when he comes in and joe shlub can't compete with him on looks so what he does is mock the guy and insult him to lower leos market value while increasing his market value. Notice that the man will attack leo, not women.

Women, on the otherhand, if an attractive woman enters the room, they will berate and insult the men for being attracted to her because "buzzword, buzzword, buzzword". They are trying to lower the market value of everyone so they can be the most attractive in the males eye.

The same reason why feminists get off on abuse and domination fantasies like 50 Shades, because it's okay when it's Chad or Tyrone doing it.

Still be attacked. Most of the women who throw an autist fit about the "objectification" of women in vidya don't even fucking play them. They just want something to shriek about and get mad at.

This would be a waste of time, resources, and money because the people complaining about your game were never going to buy it in the first place. And even if they were to buy it they would just buy the uncensored version instead of the one made specifically for them

based and beanpilled

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Why are you still paying attention to what women say, dumbass?

They have no rules, zero.

They say they do, but they don't exist for successful individuals, it's an excuse to enforce to "enforce" them on nerds, and they're right for it too.

Just stop being a nerd and you will realise the world is your toilet

>imagine thinking women are coming to take your anime tiddies away
this is just beta onions devs thinking women want them to do this

I think the argument is that traditionally women haven't had much control over their own sexuality and where the lines are drawn on sexy/slutty/modest is dictated by men and "sexy" women in games are rarely that way where their sexuality is part of their character, but as widow dressing for men. Women choosing to be dress in a revealing way that has nothing to do with appealing to men can be seen as taking control of their sexuality and dictating the terms themselves. That being said while I'm sympathetic in theory I don't think you can ever draw a line where someone is allowed to create sexualized characters. Is there a quota of women on a team who took part in character design that there needs to be? Is there a test of character that tells you when a character has enough about them that's not related their sexuality. People tend to be arbitrary about what they get offended by so there's not much more you can do than let people make what they're going to make. I strongly believe that when everyone creates what they want and we openly discuss art it leads to the betterment of society as a whole and trying to dictate where the line is drawn on acceptable art is always damaging no matter how well intentioned.

It's almost as though the word "women" describes nearly 4 billion prople who might not have unanimous opinions on everything.

this thread is fucking pathetic. how naive do you have to be to look at another human being's behavior, notice it's hypocritical to the extreme but still try and defend them because they have vaginas? At this point if any man believe feminism to any degree, he deserves everything he gets.

this is bullshit because the people who complain the most about irl women doing that are also women

this is a male justification to try to apply logic on the back end, someone made this as a talking point

Sounds more like they can't make the actual woman do to what they want but with the designer they have a chance.
That argument was real cute though with it's hollow moral values and pettiness blown up to seem important.
Why don't women go after makeup companies who's whole marketing plan is to make them feel like shit to buy their products?

Bases

They literally and unironically don't want you to enjoy yourself. It's as simple as control, that's it.

Nah, applies to 95% of the population not just women. Most people would rather spend their time shitting on others than confront the fact that they are very ordinary and should focus on bettering themselves. As you literally just proved. Another example is how most of Yea Forums would rather spend all their time trying to find the next person to ebinly BTFO rather than talk about and legitimately enjoy their hobby.

Not saying I dont fall into this myself because I do.

makoto is better than ann

The same women aren't dating both things.

women get jealous of other women that look better than they do, fake or otherwise.

Pretty much

Smart people focus on improving themselves

Dumb people focus on berating others

Once sex bots are real we should genocide all women. They're useless to any society.

Pretty good artwork.

There will be no need to genocide them because once sex bots will be real, actual women will change themselves

The fact that feminism movements never bring up

Strippers
Instagram females spreading there ass on Instagram
Snap Chat Premium
The amounts of Sex people have on Porn sites
Twitch Thots
this

Which is weird because men tend to not get jealous of other men. Even if that same dude is more attractive than him. In fact, it tends to inspire them to become better.

Muslim women getting beaten, Foreign countries beating up women, a whole bunch of shit to name desu.

But it's great though since they are creating the opposite effect anyways.

>women
>having the ability to look inward for literally anything
Ha

It boils down to two kinds of (sjw) people
>"feminists"
and
>whiteknights

Feminists want to get rid of it because
- They are ugly themselves, therefore beauty offends them because ???
- They are jealous of a fictional character because ???
- They get angry because "the patriarchy" enjoys something, therefore they want to get rid of it and potentially make hundreds of women lose their job

Meanwhile,
Whiteknights
- Thinks that supporting feminists will "earn" him puss
- Genuinely thinks that trampling beauty and sexiness (both which things held in high regard since the dawn of mankind) is somehow progressive and mature. Acts like they're morally superior. Gets caught attempting rape or having CP on their computer
- Has irregular fetishes like Fat/inflation, furry, ebony and hypermuscle. He thinks that opposing conventional fetishes makes his shitty fetishes gain more ground or be more likely to be pandered to.

EIther way, both are cancer and have no true idea of what they really want.
For example, even when devs support sjw shit, the sjw get more excited about it and ultimately end up nitpicking and complaining more because the game is now under their "magnifying glass"
It's comparable to sweden, where they invite the muslims in to their country and then the muslims start demanding more and more.
Giving in and letting them have their way will only make them push the limits more until there are no more limits, and when it gets to that, nothing is good enough anymore.

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Thousands of years at work. Women are told that they just need to do XYZ house chores and having a vagina and thats it. Men are told they need to forge their own path and strive for greatness and provide for a family. So men basically know from the start that life is going to be tough and they go in knowing this at least somewhat mentally prepared. Women on the other hand tend to clam up when shit starts getting tough because they were told that they only need to do XYZ and theyll have an easy life. They are only now starting to collectively realize this since they are trying so hard to be independent.

Basically, being a man is like selecting the hardest difficulty. You know that you're going to get hit with some bullshit but you are determined to shoulder through it. Being a woman is like playing a game thats mostly easy but randomly spikes in difficulty outside of certain areas; you dont know what the fuck to do because you werent prepared for it at all and get angry.

Historically
When other men succeed that benefits everyone in the tribe
When other women succeed ie gets a hot bf that benefits only the woman and always at the expense of another woman

If I ever got jealous of another guy, they eventually became one of my good friends, and I end up succeeding more.

no they'll just get them outlawed

That's because a man can have value beyond his looks.

My problem is why combat it by trying to remove something. Why not combating by creating something. And Ghostbusters made by feminists isn't creating something new, it's taking something already stablished and warping it to mock the original.

Rather than complain, I'd rather them make a brand new IP where women get properly represented. When I first saw the Anita Sarkeesian kickstarter getting money, I honestly throught she was gonna develop an indie game out of it. But lo and behold, all she made was a few 10 minute video where she recites wikipedia and tv tropes articles.

Theyve already tried that any times and it never works, audiences dont want that stuff

what about people who focus on jerking off

they do when its not complete irredeemable trash

i.e wonder woman was an actually watchable movie and did fairly well

That in and of itself is telling though. Half of that audience if women. If you are making something that can’t even appeal to half the audience, then it’s probably the writing quality that’s to blame

wonder woman is a 60yo IP
They should copy Japan and make the equivalent of otome stuff but with big budget
I bet no man would be mad about a movie series whatever about sexy hunks and a girl

I disagree, the problem is that they're trying to put their feminism first and the game or whatever they do second. I assure you, if they ever make, say, an FPS where all the soldiers are visibly women, but they take their time to make the gameplay interesting and good they will at least get a cult following.

Say what you want about Senran Kagura, but it knows who it's selling itself to. The gameplay is repetitive, but enjoyable. There are people who actually enjoy repetitive beat em ups. The real meat of the game, however, comes in the dress up and screenshot taking mechanics. There are a gorillion consutmes that can be unlocked even without DLC and a million palletes. There's anything from sexy costumes to gag costumes you can even swap hairstyles and have the girls comment on their own outfits. Whenever I play Senran Kagura I hardly ever have the characters in their own original outfits.

The characters are gimmicky but there's a flavor for everyone, there's even a flavor for those who want flat chests. The story too, for what it is, is decent enough for a shounen anime levels specially the 3DS games and overall the game represents $20 well spent for few days of entertainment.

The problem is that they dont try to really actually appeal to femininity because thatd be sexist
Women want a story about a sexy man rescuing them

Give them time. They will

they already did

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That just looks actually homosexual
No class whatsoever

i wouldnt know

fag

....you never watched Magic Mike, did you? The main audience for those shows were WOMEN

Ah well if it's for women then it must be classy.

Kinda
youtube.com/watch?v=SsDd_BVZqxQ

Because women believe objectification of women in media is wrong because it sets unrealistic expectations about women's bodies and creates an assumption that a woman only exists to be 'used'.

These same women however, ogle at any decently attractive males in media when they take of their shirts, write sex fantasies about them, discuss the size of their genitals and describe how they would have sex with them.
Why is this okay, but not the portrayal of sexy women?

To me, there is nothing wrong with media objectification because there is a difference between real life and media entertainment.

even if its a sex thing, the reason they dont like it is because the object has a face. Where as the object of women's sexual pleasure doesn't. However I get their jealousy, however men who look to these females isnt always out of sexual fantasy, its out of infatuation like a woman would have over a male character written for them?

I agree. And honestly, if they want to complain about female objectfiication, than just include male objectification and be done with it. Female cosplayers do like to look good. Same applies to men.

If anything, these SJWs are making the same mistake right wing religious conservatives are doing: being prudish. No one likes a prude

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I'm okay with this.

Then it's not okay for women to sell sex, romance novels must have all of their covers censored, and anything written that is sexual or explicit in nature will be altered or removed entirely. Even though the truth is some men are just dominating, sexy, and handsome we can't have them being objectified, so they'll be replaced with by a balding, alcoholic, completely out of shape character.

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>the problem is that they're trying to put their feminism first and the game or whatever they do second. I assure you, if they ever make, say, an FPS where all the soldiers are visibly women, but they take their time to make the gameplay interesting and good they will at least get a cult following.
This. This is the crux of the fucking problem. People want to play a fucking game and don’t care about stupid politics. So when they force it people shit on them. But then they assume that it’s just muh bigotry and don’t stop to think that MAYBE people play games to get away from this sort of real life issue bullshit in the first place. They miss the fucking point.

You will simply never get a good game if your top priority isn’t to try to make a good game in the first place. It’s that simple.

>Women say there's nothing wrong with being promiscuous and dressing slutty
No, dude, that's just your mom. All women don't say that.
Glad we cleared that up.

This is the obvious solution. But they want attention so it wouldn’t count. Just like how He-Man doesn’t count but Barbie does.

>because the object has a face.
But that's because the face is an important part of mens sexual pleasure while women are more interested in the setting.

There is nothing wrong with objectifying women, though. Especially not fictional women.

Oh don’t fucking give me that. Women get just as wet from chads perfectly sculpted face as a guy does to some girl’s dsl and long lashes. Men get off to “””setting””” too

Stop giving powerless people shit. They can't do shit to you. They weren't helping you in the first place so why do they matter now. The weak should fear the strong but unironically.

hell you can make a game intrinsically political or with a message deeply rooted in it. Just make a good fucking game, jesus fuck.

Look at SMT: Strange Journey. It's preachy as all fuck about global warming and modern degeneracy, but the game is so damn good you don't give a flying fuck.

I suppose I should've said the face is more important for men than women but anyway this has been studied, have fun reading:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2739403/

The bonobos part is particularly interesting.

Woman whores herself out and gets attention from men.
Men fap to sexy vidya girls, woman gets nothing.
Woman is angry and tries to ban sexy vidya girls.

That's the part of the discussion we never seem to get to. Since video game characters lack agency, and are not meant to depict real women, and not always even characters in the literary sense, the theories of sexual objectification fall apart. That doesn't mean they're entirely invalid, but they need to be rethought when it comes to video games.

>stop catering to SJWs
>market shuts you off
This problem will be solved only when the majority of influential companies stop catering to SJWs. But for whatever reason, they won't.

>more money to indie games

Sounds good to me

I love Anne.

post more lady ann

Women don't want to take anything away from you basement living incels.

You don't NEED to have unrealistic women in literally every game you play.

aco thread, go back to aco

I would somewhat agree with you, but you probably apply this same line of thought to pedo rubbish like loli also. So you just come off as a creepy incel.