Well, it's been a nice run but the final two DLC fighters for Smash have finally be confirmed by the latest leak:

>frisk
>not sans
Disappointed, I wanted a character with constant poison damage

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Who the fuck are they

WHO FUCKING CARES OH MY GOD

Banjo and Joker got in, we don't need to make more threads aboyt the Smash DLC.

If Waluigi actually gets in before any Kirby rep I will fucking lose my cool. We had the ballot for a reason, and another shill pick will be another insult to my vote.

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I mean, hasn't that Paragon guy said that he got a C&D, but he can't show it for some reason and suddenly he's backing off the leak entirely? Papagenos even said how sketchy it was

Wheres stanley from The Stanley Parable?

is the one on the left a boy?

I dont even really want Waluigi atleast for the Fighter Pass but they could easily just trigger a flag when Waluigi is playable to have his Assist Trophy not spawn when Assist Trophies are active.

>people actually believe this

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>he still believes a faked discord message

>wanting Hat Goomba

>Not Sans
>Evil Bing Bing Wahoo

No.

Stop with the fucking protagonist autism.
It was already bad enough that Jack Frost got rejected in favor of a generic anime schoolboy.
It was already terrible enough that Slime got rejected in favor of four fucking generic anime swordsmen.
And now you want to make it even fucking worse by wanting a fucking boring knife boy in Smash over genuinely interesting choices from Undertale like Flowey or even sans.
FUCK OFF
GET OUT WITH YOUR PROTAGONIST AUTISM
PROTAGONIST AUTISM IS SHIT
PROTAGONIST AUTISM IS FUCKING CANCER

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His ass. There were images that showed up conveniently after E3 which called details of the direct. No one has been able to prove the images existed before E3, because they didn't.

Papagenos didn't even hear about the leak until days after the direct too. This is one of the worst hoaxes yet

This. Even if it showed up soon before E3 it just means it’s someone with access to info from the direct and then adding on their own characters for the last two slots.

Aren't protagonists just self inserts? Does that mean most folk are just narcissists?

She's in.

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Makes sense. Which makes mascotbros objectively better people by default.

>WAAAAH MY CHOICE FOR DLC DIDN'T GET IN

FUCK OFF!
Here is your characters that are extremely likely to be in the fighters pass.

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but wouldn't you choose two safe characters instead of two that are arguably controversial

Fuck off, the red color for the Smash DLC is already accounted for. Lloyd is dead and out.

It doesn’t matter either way

what would waluigi be shilling exactly
its not like he's getting a game anytime soon

>he thinks character color affects who is selected for DLC
How profoundly retarded can you be? You must be underage

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I really doubt Nintendo would let Mary Magdalene into Smash.

Satan is already two assist trophies though.

Reminder Alucard is locked out and doesn’t show up in Wii Fit Studio just because VAMPIRES HAVE NO REFLECTIONS

The Color Theory has yet to be debunked, bitch nigga.

Sakurai literally said that the representative has to be a protagonist

Sans is not getting in before Frisk

I swear to god if we actually get Sylux in this i'll be mildly disappointed

>implying
Here's your Indie rep bro

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Imagine the Christian shitstorm if KOS-MOS gets in, but T-elos is confirmed as an alternate skin
>KOS-MOS is a robot with Mary Magdalene's soul
>T-elos is a cyborg made out of Mary Magdalene's corpse

>we might actually get to see mary magdalene get bing bing wahoo'd off stage in a video game in the future

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>implying it holds enough ground to need debunking
You lot are definitely the most retarded bunch. I bet you thought the Google “leak” meant something too.

Besides it’s not like Lloyd’s color would be red anyway

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So we are stuck on knowing absolutely nothing about the remaining 2

Until the next update and dataminers ruin everything again

The first rep for a new series is always the protagonist you autist, don't blame others for a pattern you didn't see.

I feel they may simply announce the characters earlier in order to stay ahead of the curve

Almost none of the characters in smash bros are protagonists though

I agree with you, but think a series mascot is fair game if the characters are constantly changing from game to game. I wouldn’t have been surprised if we got Black Mage instead of Cloud

If he is in, how the fuck will he work if he's already an assist trophy? Also pic related needs to be taken into consideration.

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...Are you kidding me? Every series has at least the protagonist or player avatar in the game

ok

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I like lloyd but there's too many fucking swordsman

>needs to be taken into consideration
No it doesn’t. It’s a stretch to begin with given Banjo-Kazooie. Jesus you dummies will latch onto anything won’t you?

That would actually be pretty cool

Same. If we get LLoyd I swear to god...

I fucking hate Chara.

>Waluigi is in
>his position is right behind Piranha Plant, watering it while it's watering the red pikmin.

>Wii fit trainer over the player character
> Duck hunt dog over the player character
> Inkling over agent 3

Debunked. Thanks for playing

Because their franchises already have their main character

Jack Frost could only get in AFTER a smt/persona protag

Put me in the screencap

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Wait, shit is that true?

That’s a neat little detail.

They mostly are when there is a clear indication. Pikachu was based on the brand itself and can be considered the protagonist at the time.

holy autism

Sakurai’s autism for details nobody asked for knows no bounds

When do you guys think the final two characters will be announced?
>Fighter Pass 4: The usual September Direct, release in October or November
>Fighter Pass 5: Game Awards, release in January or early February
I do also think they're just going to do what they did with Joker, upload a video on Youtube that goes over each character's moveset and stuff before the character releases, for each character.

I like that no matter what Sakurai does, Frisk or Sans moveset would have so many spoilers

Or maybe it's just a bug. Don't pretend that a bug puts any precedence.

Papagenos heard the characters from paragon before the direct but that image of a discord conversation that makes it look like paragon had a bunch of info about the direct, PapaGenos didn’t see until after the direct. papagenos said he thought the whole thing was sketchy. No one can vouch for paragon getting a cease and desist before the direct or having all the info they had in the discord conversation image. So it’s suspicious as hell that image only turned up after the direct happened.

It's Red you mongoloid. Do you even know what the protagonist means?

I don't think we will get any newcomer announcements until the day Banjo-Kazooie is released. Just a personal hunch.

hes in

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This, pretty much. You'd think that Paragon would have at least shown the discord server or something if he was THAT confident of the info

>the protagonist of pokemon games is pikachu

This is something my Mom would say

Duck Hunt actually includes the player, but he's infront of the screen operating the zapper so you can't see him.
Agent 3 is customizable so they're arguably in.
Wii Fit doesn't have a real protagonist so they chose the next best thing.

Doing Frisk over Sans is a retarded business move, no way will it happen

This is the guy who used Luminary as the default hero instead of Erdrick

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I don't know user... thats a bit too based and ultimate for even sakurai to do.

Also

the bubble bobble series is fucking dead

They'll probably use a Deltarune character because that's actually upcoming

What about him being an assist trophy and spirit? Pic related has none of those and is suspiciously missing despite having representation sense Brawl. Porky is in.

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It makes no sense that Alucard specifically can’t be used in Wii Fit Studio when every other assist trophy, even those that are more technically taxing

It was obviously on purpose, you can go to training mode and select an assist trophy and Alucard can’t be selected

>The player operates the zapper
okay

>"arguably the skin means the protag is in"
haha whatever fine

>wii fit doesn't have a real protagonist
wrong.. its mii's and they were designed and revealed later in development.

Wii fit is the exception

i know, i just want another arcade character besides pacman, but nobody these days even knows of taito or atari..

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All the last few leaks confirmed is that nobody has any fucking clue who the final DLC fighters are. We've seen multiple "leaks" at this point that happened just before the direct, got the details for Hero and Banjo correct, but then made completely different claims about the final two fighters. Couple that with the Pokemon leak that got the SwSh details but then made blatantly false claims of Smash Bros, it's pretty obvious that every single one of these is coming from people who saw the directs beforehand (especially because we know for a fact that multiple people were shown the direct early) and are using it as an opportunity to spread bullshit and get attention for it.

>its mii's and they were designed and revealed later in development.
Dude Mis were revealed like a year after Wii Fit at the next E3, and both of them were in the base roster on Smash 4

Well Fountain of dreams has a reflection in the water.. is alucard allowed on that stage?

Well there you go.... a lot later in development ;)
Wii fit trainer beat out the protagonist of the game

This is the weakest counter argument I’ve seen on Yea Forums in a while. Please try to use some logic

>Well there you go.... a lot later in development
Doesn't seem that much later in development, and they were both in the main game. Or are you "pretending" to be retarded, I dunno

>Fighter Pass 4: The usual September Direct, release in October or November
when do you think banjo is gonna be released then? september?

>Only character that can cause a bigger shitstorm than Banjo is Sans

I want sans instead of frisk

They'd never put in Frisk. He's simply not popular, and would be anti-hype. On the other hand, Sans is not only hugely popular, but would be hype as all hell. After all, real Undertale fans want Sans.

I mean, the Mii's were probably already planned when Wii Fit Trainer was announced.
Even so, that means the mascot can only get in when the protagonist is already being included in another way, so they'll still go with protag given the choice.

Also you missed Pikachu which is one i can't deny at all, but that's from a while back and doing Pokemon Trainer like they did in Brawl was not an option back then.

True. If Sans is the Banjo of UT, then Frisk is the Steve of UT. Sans is the only one here with genuine fan demand.

Sans also has much better potential for a moveset, would be a great annoying zoner

Imagine being this delusional

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If he’s not pretending that’s even sadder

I feel like if it was intentional, they wouldn't have locked him out of spawning and instead would have actually made it so he just has no reflection in the mirror. Sakurai is known for attention to detail and it seems odd to me that he would go about making that reference so wrong.

That's what I'm thinking, yeah. Hero in July, Banjo in September, the next character in November I guess, and the final character in January or February.

I have no idea why someone would want Frisk when literally EVERY other character in Undertale would be more interesting, unique, and fun.
Personally, I think a skeleton bros character would be cool. Both Sans and Papyrus.
Mettaton would be the ideal character, though.

Okay you two idiots: Sakurai obviously prioritizes the protagonist, but that doesn’t mean a mascot is off the table, especially if the main character changes along the series or is just a generic avatar. End of story.

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As a dev, I’m just going to outright say that it’d take much more work to somehow disable Alucard’s reflection than to simply prevent him from spawning on a stage.

Nobody wants Frisk, they just think they have to be the character because "muh protag"

Kris would be better but considering they don't have a full fucking game out they aren't happening.

Sans > Undyne > Asgore > Kris >>>>>>> powergap >>>> Frisk

He's in.

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The reason anyone would want Frisk instead of Sans is simple; they're not fans of Undertale. They don't want Sans, but is willing to bargain for the most boring UT character possible to spite legitimate Undertale fans. In short; Friskfags are fake fans.

>Dracula evolves to Soma
>Mumkhar evolves to Metal Face
>Parasite X evolves into Nightmare
>Camus evolves into Sirius
STOP SAKURAI, THERE'S TOO MUCH SOUL, I CAN'T HANDLE IT

Undertale isn’t getting into Smash anyway so all your energy is wasted regardless

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Further evidence is that he will appear if your in the version of the Wii Fit Studio without the mirror

I am just gonna headcanon it as Alucard being cripplingly terrified of mirrors.

It’s the same boogaloo as the moon not being selectable in Great bay because he’s already there

Actual DLC fighters

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Frisk doesn't even have a moveset. Frisk has one attack which is to just hit with whatever weapon is equipped. Say they build the moveset off of the different weapons you can equip but if you do that, you are only taking into account the violent side of the character and making no reference to the pacifist side, which is one of the most important aspects of Undertale. There's no way to implement the pacifist aspect into the moveset because it's all about NOT fighting. You can't even argue that it would be like Villager, Isabelle, or Wii Fit Trainer where non combat abilities are reworked into attacks because that's completely different. Those abilities are non violent by nature but not explicitly counter to combat. Frisk's non combat abilities ARE explicitly opposing violence and fighting.

I don't think an Undertale fighter is ever happening but if it somehow does, it literally can't be Frisk because Frisk doesn't work as a fighter. Either the moveset is boring and derivative and completely ignores one of the biggest hooks the game has OR it makes no fucking sense and uses that hook in a way that is counter to what makes the hook what it is.

Why are there 4 fucking stages where the “water” isn’t actually water?! REEEE
>Elektroplankton
>Paper Mario
>Balloon Fight
>Pac Land

That's why it'll be Kris

There was a fake leak that said they swap between pacifist mode with character summon specials but no smash attacks, and genocide mode with smash attacks but no specials, and I thought it was pretty clever

Kris has no real game and is also less unique and less known than Frisk

I think its the theme of this DLC pack
>YOU NEED TO BE ON NINTENDO TO GET IN!
Joker
>THINGS ONLY POPULAR IN JAPAN CANNOT GET IN!
Hero
>WESTERN CHARACTERS ARE IMPOSSIBLE
Banjo
>INDIE SHIT WILL NEVER MAKE IT IN!
Frisk
>ASSIST TROPHIES DECONFIRM!
Waluigi

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>Kris has no real game
Yeah he does it's called Deltarune
>is also less unique and less known than Frisk
I'm assuming that being in Smash will make him more popular, and only chapter 1 of his game is out

>Kris
Based, more blue-haired sword-wielding Fire Emblem main characters.

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a character from the prologue of an unfinished game that won't be out for several years making it in over a character from a monumentally popular cultural zeitgeist game that is actually finished is so mindblowingly fucking retarded that it will never happen in a million years

Why would Frisk be playable? They hate fighting.
The only realistic choice from Undertale (and it will happen) is Sans or Asriel.

>Why would Frisk be playable? They hate fighting.
Protagonist, which Samurai has a boner for, and also the ability to do a pacifist/genocide gimmick in their combat

Based Porkybro

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>YOU NEED TO BE ON NINTENDO TO GET IN!
Cloud got for FF and KH spin offs, Joker got in for SMT and Persona Spin offs.

>THINGS ONLY POPULAR IN JAPAN CANNOT GET IN!
Fire Emblem, Meele? anyone?

>WESTERN CHARACTERS ARE IMPOSSIBLE
That was the stupid way to say, what it truly mean is that it was difficult, we have five games to prove it, but it was never one of the made up rules, if anything, we knew a big enough character, from a big enough company, could make it. It was just a question of whatever or not Nintendo would care or not.

> Frisk and Waluigi.

Fake, completely fake.

>Cloud got for FF and KH spin offs, Joker got in for SMT and Persona Spin offs.
Joker does not represent any non Persona SMT games.
Cloud does not represent any non FFVII games, and he DEFINITELY doesn't represent KH.
Come on, user. I'm sick of this argument.

Lmao, slime "fans" showcase how much they cared about DQ.

>a character from the prologue of an unfinished game that won't be out for several years
See even you admit it's a real game why did you pretend you didn't know?
Also you seem a little... upset at being called out user. Calm down

The real joke here is that everyone despises the series you enjoy

>Sakurai spoils the plot twist of countless games through spirit evolution
I FUCKING LOVE IT, KEEP IT COMING SAKURAI, MAKE THEM RECENT GAMES TOO

Cloud represent the FF games, that was the whole gimick, Nomura asked Sakurai if he didnt't wanted a FF rep with more history with Nintendo, or a more Recent one, and the counter was that Cloud is the face of FF, the one fans want. And yes, he was in Nintendo consoles before, so it works.

There is yet to be a single character or franchise not represented previously in a Nintendo Console and you know it. Persona is part of SMT, I still have the first game right here, with the tittle, and a plethora of SMT demons, who just came back for P5 to remind me so, and in lesser extend (or major, depending how you look at it) the Persona Q series. And Joker has two spin offs games in development for Nintendo consoles by the time this DLC was planned. You can try and view it your way as much as you want, but you still don't have a real counter argument.

Certain assist trophies and Pokemon are locked out of certain stages, it's obviously on purpose.

Hmmmm.........

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>All these mongoloids falling for a weak-ass "leak" that came out after E3
I predicted DQ and Banjo would be getting reps, and even wrote it here, are you going to latch onto whoever I say is coming next, too?

It would really depend on how the mirror works but presumably, it's treated as a second camera/display instead of the more traditional method of implementing a reflection. I feel like the traditional method would be far more taxing on the system due to the mirror's size. If that's the case, it would be a pretty simple check for what characters to actually draw on that second display and Alucard would be disabled. There's any number of ways you can go about doing that check and none of them are all that complicated or would take more than a few hours to get the functionality working, maybe a few more to make sure every character is set to draw/not draw properly. Basically, it would be more effort, sure, but nothing drastic that you couldn't give to even a junior dev.

>Cloud represent the FF games, that was the whole gimick, Nomura asked Sakurai if he didnt't wanted a FF rep with more history with Nintendo, or a more Recent one, and the counter was that Cloud is the face of FF, the one fans want. And yes, he was in Nintendo consoles before, so it works.
I wish FF had got franchise wide rep like DQ did

Here are the burning questions with Waluigi:
>what do they do with his AT?
>what is his stage?
>what music does he bring besides Waluigi Pinball?
>what franchise does he go under?
>what new Spirits does he bring?

On the other hand, I kinda like the idea of Frisk being a UT rep if only to make UT bandwagoners cry that their funny meme skeletons or their Tumblr dyke fish didn't make it in.

I’d accept it for Quote.

>disable it when he's in a match, like they did with alucard on wii fit stage
>mario tennis court or waluigi pinball
>there's probably a ton of mario music not in smash, but i'm too lazy to look it up
>warioware
>there's some missing decently important mario spirits like count bleck or fawful

Not saying i think he's likely, but the material's there.

>disable it when he's in a match, like they did with alucard on wii fit stage
Why are you using only this example when there are a billion others?
Solagelo doesn't appear in stages that happen during the night, the Moon doesn't appear in stages that happen in a building, Tiki doesn't appear in small stages etc...

Why don’t you post that leak?

The thing that gets me is Waluigi's never been in Warioware or a WarioLand game, so technically he's not a Wario character, just an extension of Wario's concept. Idk if Sakurai's OCD on these types of things would lead him to include Waluigi as a Mario character, or if he'd be willing to bend things a bit and give him that "W" logo

>main character is a worse choice than supporting character whose moves' very existence is a spoiler

Why do Kirbyfags act so entitled?

No idea. The 3 we have is a well-rounded set of reps.

I'd be legit mad from the hype if the underdog breaks the assist capsule in the trailer and k. rool falls down in the underground

Why not simply give him a new logo to represent, for example, Mario Party?

Just two more rules to go
>ASSIST TROPHIES DECONFIRM
>INDIE CHARACTERS CAN NEVER BE IN SMASH
I really want the Paragon leak to be real mainly because their club can have some new members. If not then oh well.

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Because i read it above in the thread, and it's enough to get the point across.

>weebs think their weeb trash has anything to do with actual Biblical figures or Biblical canon

I also disagree with this (Though it would be the die logo). Personally, I think Waluigi relegated to AT status is a good running gag befitting of the character; at least until he's been with Wario in a non-party game and has concepts unique to him and his character that can be drawn from for his moveset aside from simply referencing Party shit. Give him some trickster-type traps and attacks that fit his character.

This. Fucking Dracula and crosses and shit are in the game

I think Waluigi as the last rep makes a lot of sense

Kazooie debunks this shit “theory.”
Based Kazooie

rip

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Technically there's also the "not from a video game" rule (eg Goku + comic book characters). But that rule much more sound and reasonable, unlike all the other irrational reasons for the characters listed in that image.

The "Must be from a video game" rule is the only rule I'll allow to stay.

>k. rool falls down in the underground
I would fucking die if the next trailer starts off with the part of the banjo trailer where K rool is falling down, but then continues showing him falling underground until eventually ending up at an undertale location

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Earthbound, like Mario, is already represented.
These characters will be from franchises brand new to Smash.

Incredibly based and redpilled

Nah only fake fans who missed the point of Sans character want him in. Despite the fact that the guy waits to be near the absolute end of the goddamn universe to actually take action and is too fucking lazy and depressed otherwise to act.You only want him in because he's the cool nihilist skeleton who is totally holding back in life (Totally like you am I right?) and has a pretty memorable fight in contrast with the rest of the fights in the game.
At least champion for something like Undyne or Mettaton, one would love to fight around and the other one would love the attention he'd get by getting into a mainstream crossover, Sans only wants to doze off and sell hot dogs.

cringe and grinchpilled

The real Smashies are Sans and Crash
Sans trailer picks up with K. Rool falling underground
Crash trailer takes place at Nintendo of America and uses the Smash 64 costumes

Is the discord image photoshopped or something? The date in the image is June 8th, which would have been 3 days before the Nintendo Direct. Shouldn't this confirm the leak unless the date was photoshopped? I know Paragon is backtracking but the date makes me curious

Well that's the thing. As far as I'm aware noone's claimed to have access to the original Discord post, and text on a plain background is not exactly hard to edit.

Imagine being this pathetic of a whiny faggot

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Based T-Dub

>Still seething beyond lunacy
yikes and cringepilled
also wait some time to real news.

If the dlc for smash bros includes tingle from zelda, big the cat or omochao as playable characters I will regret buying the fighter pass.

>waluigi gets in
>season 2 pass is announced
>isaacfags and ashleyfags crawl out of their caves
>a new year of shitposting
it just doesn’t fucking end

>Source of this leak is from papagenos' discord
I swear that retard is orchestrating fake leaks for attention.

Kirby is an IP for literal children. Figure it out.

undertale is kike propaganda. also Chara did nothing wrong

>posts the same bandana shit image for the past 2 years
It's honestly not that hard to figure out. They're running out of material at this point.