Can someone exlpain to me why peope are so upset about the Pokemon Sword and Shield?
Do they want to play with all the pokemon out of the box? Are they using the same game engine as the 3DS for the Switch?
Why do people seem so upset about something that would be insanely hard to do???
casuals want to go on adventures with their old buddies
tryhards want to use their old autistic breeding projects in the next generation
everyone thinks game freak is lazy as fuck when they have existing models for every old pokemon and money out the ass
when your entire tagline is "gotta catch em all", people are going to be disappointing if you can't actually catch them all.
Also, Pokemon practically prints money so it's not like it wasn't in the budget, Game Freak is just notoriously lazy.
Are they using a new engine for this game?
They are using all the same models and animations they have been using for like 8 years and they have infinite money. They're just a shitty lazy developer.
It wouldn't be insanely hard to do. They've done it multiple times, and it doesn't get any harder as long as they continue using the same models and animations. That's why, it's pure laziness. Gamefreak has done nothing but regress as a studio and cut features from the series for years, removing half or more of the pokedex from seeing any possible use under any circumstance no matter how niche it may be is just the last straw for a lot of people.
>insanely hard to do
Maybe for amateur devs like Gamefreak
>insanely hard
For Gamefreak, maybe
For any remotely competent dev? lol
Also you don't seem to understand the problem, it's not "the inability to play with all the Pokemon out of the box", it's "the inability to play with all the Pokemon."
It doesn't help that they claim it's so they can fine-tune the other aspects of the game, but then you get presented with this
Irrelevant, 3D models and rigging are not engine dependent.
so people would be okay with lower poly 3ds models in a higher rez switch game?
Their excuses are full of shit
so are they using a higher poly count in sword and shield? or are they re-using models again?
The fucking motto of the game is "gotta catch em all."
Probably its unity.
The models are the same.
Same models that have had the same poly count since XY. It’s why the 3DS games ran like shit whenever more than 2 pokémon are on screen.
It's a bunch of autists acting like they won't inevitably buy the game
>"Not Me! I won't!"
>mfw
I'm so glad literally everybody is realizing Game Freak suck at their job. They are literally turning into the Bethesda of Nintendo, if they weren't already.
oooooh okay. I thought they were using a new engine with higher polycount models.
I was baffled how people thought they could revamp 800 pokemon models in such a short dev cycle.
This degenerate franchise needs to die. Just like its fans.
This is THE monkey's paw of the generation.
I haven't played any past gen 5 and I'm keeping it that way.
I'll buy it, but I'll make sure to get a used copy so Gamefreak doesn't get any of my money. Sad that I would rather pump money into Gamestop/Eb Games over the fucking dev.
nigga just pirate it, supporting EB games isn't worth it
I'm buying the game day one.
I've never subscribed to a service to store pokemon and never will. I don't care about transferring between generations. I play the singleplayer, fuck around in the multiplayer for a week or so after that and then never touch the games again. How you autists can be so dedicated to one series is beyond me, actually neck yourself if you keep a shiny version of every pokemon
this
if you're an ausfag, go to jbhifi or whatever, they have better deals and price match/beat whatever shit eb comes up with
True I forgot JB does sell used copies now, thanks for the tip user.
>furries still SEETHING they don't have their illness safepace anymore
Just for this the hashtag is BASED.
>so people would be okay with lower poly 3ds models in a higher rez switch game?
But that's literally what they did. And they even did it properly lmao.
what? furries are still here on Yea Forums. what are you talking about???
That's the worst part of it actually
They made the new models around XY because they were timeproof and could be used for the foreseeable future, including in the jump to Switch, they're either being lazy, don't know what the fuck they're doing, or someone legitimately made the decision to lock out the main feature of Pokemon which is more retarded than the other two combined
This kills gamefreak.
Here's why
>balance is not an issue since we've seen in the past less Pokemon has effected the meta in insanely negative ways
>all Pokemon being usable doesn't effect the story either since the app comes out next year and they could just lock it behind you beating the game
>all 808 Pokemon from Gen 1-7 are done, none of them need new models since they already have models from the 3DS era that are super high poly
>the engine is still the same engine from 3DS meaning animations can't be pushed to hard, real time lighting is not possible, materials based lighting is also off the table, and optimization will probably be poor since even in 2013 it was a bad engine
>despite them claiming they were improving models and animations we already have confirmed Pikachu got a model downgrade going from his LGPE model to his XY model again
>only one new animation spotted so far in the game when Machoke roars he now looks up instead of straight ahead
>people at the show have said that the game was choppy and might be 900p
Because God forbid we have a new game without Pikachu and charizard shitting it up. I'm a hardcore genwunner, but I want the newer games to focus on newer Pokemon.
>Less than worthless, my boy!
charizard is literally the champion's best pokemon
I don't give a shit about the Dex, but these graphics are inexcusable.
>"b-but aynon, grafics dont mattur, gameply doez"
Laziness is laziness. Do not reward it. Ever. Plus aren't you part of the s o y boy crowd who cums blood when they see mindblowing effects and cinematography in capeshit movies? Graphics don't make a movie, story does.
They're both in you retard
Why are people so upset about not getting a complete product? What's so bad about not being able to see pokemon in the game? Don't they have phones?!
Nope, same polycount, which is why XY, ORAS and USUM were literally about to melt 3DSs and the game ran at 10fps. The models were designed with next-gen consoles in mind.
AND NOW THEY WON'T EVEN BE USED.
This is how I feel. But I don't even know if I want to get it anymore cause all the negativity around it is depressing. It was bad with LGPE, which I personally really enjoyed, but this has been much more exhausting
>tfw didn't buy LGPE
>won't buy this too
Nice try furry.
Here is a Truth Bomb. The hit to overall sales will be negligible. Normalfags do not care that all the Pokemon are not in the game or the lack national dex. The majority of them do not even bother with the post game. Nostalgiafags who have a switch will see Charizard, Pikachu, Eevee, Gengar, Lucario and be happy. That is why Let's go Pikachu and Eevee did so well.
>game sales underperform so much that control of the franchise is ripped from game freak
I'm in a Furry Pokemon Telegram group, and a majority of them can't stop sucking Gamefreak's dick for 5 minutes to realize the game is bad.
It's at the point where the chat admins will ban you for talking bad about the games, but everyone else can talk about how great the games gonna be. I want off this ride.
Don't care about the dex thing, tge bloat was getting real. I already dealt with this back in 03 when R/S came out guess what, we survived. FR/LG came out and everybody got the rest of their shitmons back.
Relax and every thing will be OK, you'll get your chance to catch an train winners like these again.
>Insanely hard to do
Great job, you got me to reply! No, it isn't, for a company with that much goddamn money. They're choosing not to do it because they're banking on retards buying the game no many how little effort they put into it.
>Furries
dumb cunt fuck off
>Zelda got it's modern OoT equivalent and getting it's MM equivalent
>Mario got great games and is getting more great games
>Fire Emblem is bringing back well-liked mechanics from the SNES games
>Pokemon has less content than it's predecessors and will have less content from each game onward
>everyone thinks game freak is lazy as fuck when they have existing models for every old pokemon and money out the ass
>reuse old models
>game freak is lazy
>don't reuse old models
>game freak is lazy and doesn't use old models
I literally won't, you spastic child. Try self-control.
>Why do people seem so upset about something that would be insanely hard to do???
That is not an excuse to be lazy user.
>limited area with hand drawn textures
>wide open area
I'm disappointed that it's THIS that people are getting upset about. I want to see it as the straw that broke the camel's back, but chances are that it's just a bunch of autismos that see Pokémon as real living creatures that they've grown up with. Yes, it's shitty what they're doing, but it's just one turd at the top of a pile.
>X and Y barely support 3D and run like ass because they used "futureproof models"
>Sun and Moon cut the National Pokédex entirely and feature Clippy on the bottom screen for the entire game
>Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are released not even a full year later and they're third versionS instead of one definitive version, rendering them pointless and a cashgrab
>Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee remove numerous gameplay mechanics, content, and only include Kanto Pokémon. They remade Yellow as TWO versions, once again as a cashgrab
>You're being charged $5 annually to use Pokémon Bank along with $30 annually to use online on the Switch when online used to be free and Sword and Shield don't even support Pokémon you'd transfer through Bank
>Post-game is non-existent
>Battle Frontier was last present nearly 10 years ago
>Battle Tower clones are losing modes from game to game
>Legendary Pokémon are literally dropped in as mass encounters with next to nothing special about them
>Games handhold and railroad you every single step of the way and won't even let you go outside the line if it's not required
>Clippy constantly tells and shows you where to go, and if it isn't him, it's another character and they will block you if you don't comply
>Vs. Seeker is dead, Poké Radar is dead, outbreaks are dead
>Games are rushed out incomplete and never receive content patches
>Apparently it's more important to get games out frequently than it is to make a good game
But you like the Pokémon and characters so everything is excused. Who needs good games when you can gape in awe when Charizard and Pikachu appear? It's braindead consumerism.
I legitimately hate pokemon fans. They're the biggest corporate cocksleeves in the entire gaming industry and will never stop shoveling Gamefreak's shit down their throats.
i stop at sun and moon since the game was bad and they didnt improve
It’s indicative of bad management within the company. They said they needed time for all the models and animation in order to increase overall quality of the game. We are nearly sure that all the models are reused from XY (determined through observation), and we can confirm this upon release. Unless we see something significant and new, they are lying. They did not spend the extra time on making new animations or models (except for the new Pokémon of course), and they’ve had assets since 2013. Where did the development go? Unless there is a huge part of the game that they haven’t revealed (think Pokeathlon but in 3D with animations and everything), Gamefreak’s excuses are lies.
tl;dr: some people are mad they can’t use all Pokémon. But others are only mad because Gamefreak said they cut Pokémon in order to increase the game’s quality and for new animations/models, evidence of such being absent from currently released footage.
inability to access pokemon right away =/= existing pokemon never ever in title
That's the point
It's the same exact shit for 8 years now
I don't understand people who play the online. It's all just hacked pokemon with perfect stats and movesets dumped into the bank and transferred to this generation.
Pokemon multiplayer is the absolute most unfun experience ever.
>Do they want to play with all the pokemon out of the box?
And here we go again. For starters, you're missing the point. The main issue is here is not that we're unable to play with the Pokemon we want from the beginning, nobody really cares if half the Pokemon are not in the Galar Pokedex because eventually they'd be able to transfer them from the older games after they're done with the story, that should be the case just like with the older generations but in SS's case the data of the missing Pokemon won't be in the game, meaning that it will be IMPOSSIBLE to transfer those Pokemon to the new versions. That's what has people absolutely pissed off.
And we're not even considering the lack of different forms: Mega Pokemon will be completely eliminated from Gen 8, meaning Pokemon like Beedrill or Lopunny will go back to be absolute shitters (if they're even in the game); Alola forms will surely not be in the game and probably ever in the future, so what was the fucking point of introducing them in Gen 7; even alternate forms such as Florges' different flower colors, Vivillon patterns or Sawsbuck seasonal forms will get stuck to a single form from now on and forever. The issue is way bigger than what you actually think, and that's only the surface of the whole fiasco.
they honestly put people that bought every CoD and AssCreed to shame.
>BotW is the equivalent of OoT
It's really not that complex of a concept to grasp, people just word it in a way that makes it sound less bad by muddying it with terminology.
Game Freak is only going to program Pokemon that are naturally available within the region and effectively cut the rest from the game. Normally, you have the regional dex, which is everything you can naturally find in the region, and then the national dex, which is every other Pokemon; a regional dex usually only has a fraction of the amount of Pokemon that exist.
Long story short, this immensely reduces the entertainment in trading and post-game/online battles, along with limiting new movesets to whatever Pokemon get in as opposed to nearly every Pokemon getting movesets changes every generation.
The biggest issue is their reasoning, stating they can't model every Pokemon even though they future-proofed them for this exact reason, and that they'll be putting forth more effort into each pokemons animations and the overall graphics which is a flat out lie.
tl;dr game freak is cutting content for no reason, and cutting Pokemon, the core mechanic, is the straw that broke the camel's back.
God you’re retarded
Came here looking for this
and I thought cutting battle frontier in oras was bad
But they reused the old models for returning Pokemon, idiot
Your type said the same of Let's Pee and I didn't buy that.
>Apparently it's more important to get games out frequently than it is to make a good game
Tying the game releases with all their external stuff such as anime, merchandise and TCG to mention some is the biggest mistake they could have ever done. They're treating the games as just this small part of the franchise when it should be the most important and pivotal part of it and the one which should get the most attention, so they're forced to release barebones yearly releases to the point it makes FIFA look like an accomplishment.
>so what was the fucking point of introducing them in Gen 7
The point was to include them all again in the ultra versions to milk the retards and apologists even more
>We heard you roud and crear so we are adding back arr the old pocket monsters. Prease understandu that we care about our fans :)
>Insanely hard to do
Other big budget studios are putting out games with way higher scales and a lot better animation.
Pokemon seems to get a weird free pass cause people assume it must be so hard to animate and model so many pokemon, but every AAA game has thousands of modeled an animated things that aren't recycled from the 3DS.
Plus Pokemon is more profitable a brand than those games on top of that. Pokemon has no excuse for the lackluster effort they put in.
>critically acclaimed Zelda title with a sequel using the same engine and locations
not only will I not be buying this trash ass game, it's also keeping me from getting a Switch now to.
>whining this hard about a series aimed at kids
What the fuck were you expecting from Game Freak?
All of Kanto was done for LGPE
All of Johto and Hoenn was done for Pokemon GO.
That leaves Gen 4,5,6 and 7 that only have 3DS models (which barely look any different to the Switch models by the way).
With Pokemon X and Y they made 3D models for Generations 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ONTOP of the new pokemon for gen 6.
It is not impossible for them to make Switch quality models for the remaining pokemon.
Oh and the people who make the 3D models for them aren't the same people making the actual game, just FYI.
Imagine defending a company so incompetent that they literally don't know how to reuse models and create new models for every single character for every single cutscene in the game
Even when Gamefreak cuts the pokemon down to just 151 they still can't be bothered to match the animations of Pokemon fucking Stadium.
You wouldn't be saying the same if your favorite series was treated like shit, or do you feel like telling the same to Diablo fans after last Blizzcon?
let's not forget that their remake of Pokemon Yellow runs at only 30fps on Switch (docked).
This is the system that runs Doom (2016) and soon The Witcher 3.
What other game uses as many unique characters character models as Pokemon?
What other game franchise is the most profitable entertainment franchise on the planet.
It's a breaking point. Gamefreak has been putting in pretty minimum effort for a very long time but people were willing to let it slide because the games were at the very least fun, even at their low points. Now after just advertising Home with an emphasis on how amazing it is that you this franchise can bring your friends all the way from Ruby/Sapphire to the current games they've suddenly announced that this feature is a dead end for many pokemon.
>Why do people seem so upset about something that would be insanely hard to do???
This is the big issue because it shouldn't be that hard. This is a franchise worth tens of billions of dollars so they should have the resources to make this work. And if it doesn't then we should be able to see that effort put into other parts of the game. The game which is their first mainline console release and costs twenty dollars more than every other game, yet hardly looks any better and continues to use the same recycles models and animations they developed six years ago. This wouldn't be an issue of the game was able to impress people enough to forget it, but so far nothing they've shown has indicated anything better than the usual handheld games.
You forgot Smash Ultimate pushing even beyond what people had expected for a new smash game.
What other game franchise has dozens of duplicates of the exact same, unchanged models on disc?
I don't know why they don't say during preproduction "Hey, let's make this Generation last four years instead of three so we can have more time to flesh everything out."
Look at every Generation.
>Red and Green began production in 1990 and finished in late 1995. Being the first set of games made by a bunch of amateur developers, of course it would take longer than every subsequent game.
>Gold and Silver began production in late 1995 and finished in late 1999 (4 years). Halfway through development, the project essentially started over while they made use of whatever they could salvage from the previous iteration.
>Ruby and Sapphire began production in late 1999 and finished in late 2002 (3 years). Game Freak was scared that the Pokémon fad was dying and tried really hard to keep it going. The games were completely cut off from previous games and were comparatively light on content in comparison to Gold and Silver.
>Diamond and Pearl began production in late 2002 and finished in late 2006 (4 years). They were the forefront of what many consider to be the strongest Generation of games, and they were packed with content from the get-go. Interviews also make it apparent that they were planned as early as Gold and Silver's development as an end goal.
>Black and White began production in late 2006 and finished in late 2010 (4 years). These were the first games outside of the "plan", and while the Generation did have its flaws and show signs of things to come, it ultimately was pretty solid especially with B2W2.
>X and Y began production in late 2010 and finished in late 2013 (3 years).
>Sun and Moon began production in late 2013 and finished in late 2016 (3 years).
>Sword and Shield began production in late 2016 and will be finished in late 2019 (3 years).
Break years are 1997, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2011, and 2015. Two games were released in 1996 and 2004. Breaks are far less frequent now.
Let me give you an example inside the same franchise: Super Mystery Dungeon, where Chunsoft actually took the time of creating models for every single Pokemon so far, each one with its own animations, because they wanted to provide a quality product which in the end managed to. Meanwhile GameFreak, who created high quality models since XY to use them for future games is incapable of giving those same models better animations or at least fix the horrendously laughable gliding poses from most fying Pokemon because they're too lazy to get rid of them after Sky Battles were a stupid gimmick.
Blastoise still doesn't use its fucking cannons to attack, god fucking dammit, something that was accomplished since Pokemon Stadium.
lelmao
isn’t primarina the most absurdly detailed model in Pokemon? I would be baffled if it was cut
Imagine getting so butthurt about a kids game?
That doesn't answer my question. I don't have a stake in either side, by the way.
How are the animations in that? The only mystery dungeon games I remember are sprites, which were barely even animated.
>praising D/P
>hating B/W
it started at D/P.
>even alternate forms such as Florges' different flower colors, Vivillon patterns or Sawsbuck seasonal forms will get stuck to a single form from now on and forever
Source? If this is true I might finally take the Digi/Yokaipill
Pokemon GO has Gen 4 now, but that doesn't even matter because they use the same models and animations as the 3DS games. The only models that were upgraded in LGPE are your starter Pikachu/Eevee, and that only applies to your starter; Wild/Enemy Pikachu and Eevee still use the 3DS model.
>getting this mad about pokemon
It's easier to do that when the games used to at least be a third cheaper
>EVERYONE IS HERE
>PLUS MORE
>BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY YEAH
>Invest in high poly models to future proof them.
>Models so beyond what the 3ds is designed for that the game chugs.
>oh BTW we're still cutting Pokémon this Gen :)
>We're not improving animation though lol, enjoy your gimped dex
No old pokemon even in post-game is a bad thing for sure.
But what’s wrong with reusing the Gen 6/7 models? Do people want more realistic pokemon like in Detective Pikachu?
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>Source? If this is true I might finally take the Digi/Yokaipill
No source, just a possibility and hypothetical situation. At "best", they're not included in the Galardex. I mean, if I recall correctly the only post-Gen5 games where you can catch Deerling is in ORAS and those only featured one seasonal form, so if you actually own the different forms of those Pokemon who have them, you better keep them as safe as possible, you never know what kind of new bullshit GameFreak will bring to the table.
Gamefreak dont even use all the shit they actually spend time making. They're so fucking mismanaged.
Remember AZ's Floette? I bet GF forgot they even spend the time making and programming that thing and its unique signature move that just existed in the code and never got used or released.
Nobody cares that they're reusing models. People are upset that the poor performance of every 3ds game was due to their supposedly "HD, futureproof" models that have been made for every single pokemon to date.
Their excuse for this game is that they want to make sure that pokemon "belong and are well animated" when in reality they've done nothing to make the animations any better or more elaborate than ever before - they already have every model for every pokemon, and still can't be assed to include them all despite 99% of the work already being done
So, no regional variants of old mons this time?
>Furries are weak minded
As expected.
Honestly, I don't really care that not every pokemon will be in it. I don't really see the point in not including every pokemon though.
Too hard to animate new models, please understand.
It is the same engine and same models they’ve used for six years. The cut does not appear to be compensated for in any noteworthy way. This is far below par given the resources available.
>But what’s wrong with reusing the Gen 6/7 models?
user, I think you don't understand the context. Gamefreak is refusing to put those models in the game, saying that "it's too much work". Remember how XY had like 600-something models and SunMoon had 800-something models?
SwordShield will most likely have like 400 models. That's it. It will have 50% LESS CONTENT than the 3DS games.
>dont care about limited dex I never bothered bringing pokemon from one game to the next just to fill up my boxes
>always try to use 100% new pokemon from that gen anyway
>not getting it anyway because of switch though
I’m just so disappointed. I hadn’t played Pokémon since Black/White and got Ultra Moon and just didn’t enjoy the story or setting. The graphics are hideous - I much prefer the animated sprites over the expressionless NPCs in the long, unskippable cutscenes. Game Freak needs to get their old writers back and get an art director who can choose a decent color palette. I wanted Pokémon on Switch to be a next-gen experience but it looks like a combination of the worst aspects of 3DS Pokémon games.
>didn’t buy Ultra Sun/Moon
>didn’t buy Let’s Go
>won’t buy this
Nah fuck off
>Sora Ltd had to create each Smash model from scratch, and tweak their height and weight and movement speed and interactions with items
>Gamefreak didn't even have to make their models, Creatures Inc made it for them, and all the models are finished but Gamefreak doesn't feel like implementing them even though all it needs is a bunch of stats and moves
Let's Go unironically looks better than sword n' shit.
Go ahead and try and boycott it. We all know you'll cave anyways
They're making regional meowth and persian, again.
No, it started at Platinum when they blocked off the south gate of Hearthome to railroad progression when it was open before. Diamond and Pearl were good games, but of course Platinum is better. Why would you play Ruby and Sapphire over Emerald? The Pokémon Company also began taking a larger role in the games. Treehouse was losing control with Platinum in 2009, and TPCi took over localization with HGSS. They took over production of the dub for the anime in 2005 and the TCG from Wizards of the Coast in... 2002 I think? HGSS contained numerous instances of once optional areas becoming required by the game. While they were great games for what they brought, they were definitely not total improvements. Black and White seemed to be more story focused and took place outside Japan for the first time, but the region being a hexagon definitely made it a lot less fun. They also didn't have the sheer amount of content that Gen IV did and Mythical Pokémon stopped getting proper events except for Victini. Now it should be pointed out that Diamond and Pearl were the first time Mythical Pokémon had events from the get-go in a Generation. RG, GS, and RS didn't have any. While there was a certain amount of acknowledgement for obtaining Mythical Pokémon unlike in those games, it was more like getting Genesect's drives, getting Secret Sword for Keldeo, and getting Relic Song for Meloetta. They didn't have actual encounters with in-game events.
projectpokemon.org
>I was modifying trades, trying to find if there's a particular byte that forces shininess (which BTW there doesn't look like there is), and I accidentally forced my trade to return a Tapu Bulu.
There's data for all 809 Pokemon in LGPE, even though only 153 are available. This will probably be the case in Sword/Shield.
Its called engine strain, Lets Go is probably the least Taxing game to run on the engine in terms of scope and possibility for issues
Sword and Shield are what happen when you take an old outdated engine and try to force it to do things well beyond its capabilities, like I wouldn't be shocked if they kept using it and tried to add real time material based lighting, tessellation, and AO despite the engine already being at its knees, the only other engine I've ever seen pushed this hard despite clearly being at its limit is MT Framework.
>tfw faggots still telling me to cave in and buy Let's Go
>still haven't bought it
Level-5 are well known for making their games chunky as fuck. I have no idea how they packed so much content into Yokai Watch 3.
i don't even have a switch. nice try. I'm done with pokemon
>"can somebody explain me why a 3ds having 800+ monster and switch game having 400 or less monsters is a bad thing?"
Uhh... I don't know. You want to pay MORE money to getting LESS content? Serious question.
>Dex no 385
Holy shit, could that be the Sword and Shield dex? Bulu is 787 in the complete dex.
>Pokemon who showed up in Smash May not be in Sword and Shield
>Pokemon who showed up in Pokken May not be in Sword and Shield
>Pokemon who made Cameos in Detective Pikachu May not even be in Sword and Shield
What a fucking mess
I'm a casual and I just want to use the new pokemon. Less pokemon, less bloat.
Imagine being mad they want the games to have their own identity now instead of lol everyone only this time the UI looks like this now.
I get it. I know a lot of people don't like it but Pokemon has had massive powercreep even just for playing in-game that has made a lot of Pokemon completely fucking pointless; many Pokemon haven't even had a day in the limelight at all because they were outmatched before they even existed. Megas and Z moves are just bad mechanics overall, and they're trying to make something closer to the older Pokemon experience I think with a fresh start. I don't bother transferring my Pokemon from game to game but I can see why this would piss some people the fuck off, a lot of players have been using their bros for years and now they're just going "lol no"
Man, no wonder they've been dragging their feet on a console Pokemon game, they can't do HD for SHIT.
user, you misunderstand. The game isn't going to force you to use old Pokemon, it's the option for people who want to transfer old Pokemon to the game. They probably can't even be caught in the region itself.
They could’ve done this back in gen 3 were they wrong then?
>Are they using the same game engine as the 3DS for the Switch?
Yep, they quite literally are
It being 'hard to do' means jack fucking shit when you're talking about the biggest franchise on the planet.
people do it all the time, daily in fact.
millions of flies love shit, great argument there chief
The difference between gen 3 and now is like 500+ more Pokemon.
I skipped ORAS, pirated SM and USM, and will skip SS too. Dumb furry, you probably buy the games just to jack off, too.
>implement full dex in XY
>implement full dex in ORAS
>implement full dex in SM
>implement full dex in USUM
>all of a sudden it's "too much work"
pokemon sleep conference
>SWORD AND SHIELD WILL LET YOU USE THAT $40 ACCESSORY FOR LET'S GO TO TAKE YOUR ANY OF YOUR POKEMON ON A STROLL INSTEAD OF JUST THE KANTO ONES
reality
>WE MEAN ONLY THE GALAR ONES THOUGH
really if it was any other company besides game freak, you could count on them to add the support later
they're not going to add the support later, it's game freak, they want to sell the third version which has this
this was never their tagline except in the 4kidz opening dub that the pokemon company had nothing to do with
Not even. This isn’t a one game thing this is policy change for gen 8 and all future games. If this goes through it’s the point of no return
300 mb lily's model.
Probably because GF is acting like they're going for quality over quantity when they clearly are incapable of quality even without quantity.
I might be upset if I still played these games but to be honest I just find this fucking hilarious.
>pay for Pokemon Back, and then pay for Nintendo Online to get the ability to pay for Pokemon Home
>can't even transfer Pokemon after paying for 3 separate services anyway
Or is Bank/ Home under the same charge?
This. Besides I thought they made all those models to future proof the series? I have a feeling they're cutting it out specifically to sell it back to us. Fucking bullshit
Pokemon needs a cross breeding mechanic
It's hilarious because they are saying "we have cut half the Pokemon to focus on quality", and then showed off the same Wingull model and animations we have seen for FOUR MAINLINE GAMES NOW
>pokemon needs a cross dressing mechanic
ftfy
way way way too much work from the current GF. Prease Undastandu
I don't think it's just about the work though, they are trying to make it so all Pokemon see actual use by rotating out the OP ones instead of being Pokedex fodder. Like how Magic does seasons with the cards. The problem is they also need to implement a "classic" mode where people can use all the Pokemon, not just refuse to program them in.
>buy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOOK AT THIS BUYFAG AND LAUGH.
PIRATECHAD ALWAYS WIN
it'll be the third game policy, since it's not a question of effort, it's a deliberate restriction
I would rather they push back the release date however long it takes to add all the pokemon in because I have a feeling they'll leave out my favorite pokemon(s)
The game cuts out pokemon entirely from the game, nobody gives a fuck that they cant transfer old pokemon (or atleast they shouldnt) but the fact that pokemon are cut entirely ala pokemon lets go is fucking bullshit
>Pokemon Back
what does this app do?
GIVE
ME
MY
MEME
GENIES
BACK
I'm shocked they still have two versions of these games in 2019. Pokemon fans are so unbelievably cucked.
He surely meant Pokemon Bank.
Gamefreak: We want to balance the Pokemon games better
Also Gamefreak: GENIES OF HEALTHY META, PRIMAL REVERSION, MEGA FUG, WEATHER WARS, TAPUS
>Reworking 1000+ pokemon for a new game when most of it will just be bloat when no one cares for most of those pokemon.
Its a new game with a new story on a never before worked with console. Give them a break. Besides, they are adding at least 60% of those pokemon anyway
This has never been a problem, though. You're supposed to buy one of the two, not both.
Because getting every pokemon is one of the selling points of series? Because someone may want to replay the game and transfer in a pokemon they want to play through the game with? Because they want to use the pokemon they want for the end game? Because Gamefreak has zero fucking excuse to not let you use any pokemon you want?
Fug, meant Bank
There's no reason for there to be two versions.
>Handheld games since the beginning have had every Pokemon coded into the games, even gen 3 where you couldn't transfer from Gen 2
>Suddenly, the Switch can't handle all having all of them
>I'm expected to pay 60 dollars for this when the others were 40, then whatever bank costs, and Game Freak expects me to buy the "enhanced" third version in a year
Yeah, no thanks. Played since Gen 1, but I think I'm done with Pokemon.
This is so fucking embarassing for Game Freak and a testament to how good Level 5 is, they put so much effort into Yokai Watch on top of developing other top tier games like Ni no Kuni and Luigi's Mansion.
Now if only YW wasn't so giddamn unappealing
I find the 3rd versions to always be more offensive and filled with features that should have been there to begin with. You only need one version and trading is easy enough online.
The reason is they can get people to buy two copies of the same game.
>Putting all valid excuses
Well at least you understand why you're wrong.
>give them a break
boo hoo must be so hard being the most profitable media franchise in the history of all time
Ultimately the compromise boils down to a rushed product because there is seemingly nothing worthwhile to compensate for missing Pokemon and mechanics, the graphics aren't even a discernible jump up in quality. In other words, regression. The series had the advantage of centralization and now that's gone.
>Why do people seem so upset about something that would be insanely hard to do???
The Pokemon models are seemingly no more detailed and animated than they were on the 3DS, which were deliberately future-proofed, and SM also has a shitload of unused walking/running/movement animations for every Pokemon.
We've let a whole lot of missing content slide for this one fundamental. It's not even that we can't catch everything in the region. It's that even with these new PAID services, we can't move pokemon into the newest game. Even in the other generational gaps (Ruby/Sapphire, X/Y) there were ways to eventually get all the pokemon. All they would have to do this is tell everyone that they would update in a national dex. It would suck to wait, but whatever. Instead, we get radio silence and "please understand". I'm not demanding a change, signing a petition, or holding anyone personally accountable. I just won't spend my money on this product that doesn't have the functionality I want in it. That's how products work. It doesn't have the things I want,s o I won't buy it. Anyone who pretends that this is "gamer's being entitled" is completely ignorant of how products even function.
Imagine not being mad at a dev when they expect you to be dumb enough to be excited about a ROTATING CAMERA in ONE SINGLE AREA of a game.
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
Not even a single soul:
OP: WhY Is EvErYoNe So MaD?
The cutting pokemon is just a sort of focal point. The final culmination of their laziness. They were cut and we saw absolutely no improvements as a result of this sacrifice. There's no excuse they could possibly give for this, and there is absolutely no way too defend it in the face of the facts unless you're just one of those niggers who likes something because it makes people mad.
Gamefreak have set expectations so low that they make ps2 production values look good.
Prease undastandu, Poketto Monsuta is big geimu and Geimufuriku is smarr indie deveropah
What was the point of the Pokemon bank if it wasn't to futureproof transfers? I thought that was the whole point.
Why the fuck should they be given a break? They're not reworking shit. They're using the same models, the same animations, the same stats, the same everything just copy and pasted from the 3ds. They have ZERO excuse. Any other company on the planet could do that and much much more. If they were redoing pokemon anything from the ground up people would be okay with it but they aren't.
Back then Gamefreak still had plans to make full-games and not half-games.
People seem to miss the entire point that pokemon are cut entirely from the game, their data literally does not exist in the cart at all
Pokemon SM didn't have all a Nat Dex or all pokemon obtainable ingame, but all their data was still in the game no pokemon was cut
Game Freak is literally making it so some pokemon are erased from existance
>Implying catching all the legendaries won't be the sad excuse for a post-game yet again
>Reworking 1000+ pokemon
Nigger all they need to rework is the fucking textures. The models are done, the height and weight variations are done, the stats and moves are done. Everything is already done. everything was done back in like 2014.
What's the point in paying extra for the new Pokemon Home if you can't transfer back to Gen 6 or 7, and most of those Pokemon won't be able to go back to Sword and Shield either?
What's more, why didn't Game Freak announce this change in either of the TWO Pokemon Directs or during E3 instead of tucking it at the tail end of a Treehouse Stream when most people stopped watching.
Game Freak is incompetent and doesn't respect its customers at all.
>their data literally does not exist in the cart at all
watch it do exactly that, people edit their saves to have pokemon they shouldn't, probably even using them online, and game freak still be radio silent
>implying all the legendaries even exist anymore in the game and their data isnt missing from the game entirely
>itll be XY all over, legendary birds and mewtwo post game because gen 1
Is that really the 3DS model?
Niger you ever import anything into an updated engine?
>insanely hard to do
It's not. They're just incompetent. They future proofed those models that they're still using, so making new models is not the issue. The issue is they are so bad at making games that I guarantee the cartridge is bloated with unnecessary textures and models and scripts and animations because they absolutely cant figure out how to pull from one singular source.
For example, instead of telling the game to pull grass textures from one file for two different areas, those areas just have two copies of the same texture. And they have copies of the areas for cutscenes to happen in because they cant figure out how to make them work in the overworld, so just multiply everything by however many cutscenes those areas have.
I feel like I can guarantee that the real reason we cant have all the pokemon is because the new giant pokemon feature took up space with all the models and textures because they also can't figure out how to resize models within the engine so they just pop in new ones
>people edit their saves to have pokemon they shouldn't
They can't unless they actually hack the game's code. The "template" for a lot of Pokemon is missing.
i've never bought a pokemon game
*dabs*
It's not even a new engine, Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee still has a ton of SunMoon data left over in it.
But the thing is that this seems to be the ONLY complaining point. Nobody's saying #BattleFrontier, #VsSeeker, #PokéRadar, #Postgame, #Events, #MoreFreedomLessStory, #AttackAnimations, etc. If Game Freak pasted all the models and assets back into the game so that transferring was possible, this would all end. It's not about having a good game, it's about having your "bros", and that's why I think this is misdirected. Of course there are people who want more than the other 400+ models pasted into the game, but these are the minority. The whole reason people are complaining is the exact same reason they buy the game: they like it for superficial purposes and they're getting less of it this time around.
Even if this is fixed, there's still no hope for the franchise going forward.
>They made
That is the even worse part, Gamefreak never did a single pokemon model in any of their games. All the 3D models in the pokemon games are made by Creature Inc. so GF dont ahve merit even in that, they are lazy as fuck, so much that they cant even implement work made by others.
that's the thing, their data isnt in the game, even with hacking.
Can you hack in a lucario into Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee? No because their data doesn't exist
They said htat i's a new engine for the pokemon game and that the engine used is the Unreal Engine 4.
Yes, you read it well, that PS2 looking game is made on the Unreal Engine 4, the engine used fos some of the most beautiful loocking games of this gen.
i don't know if anyone's dumped this yet, but here you go
Eh, it was gonna happen sooner or later. Get used to it, abandon the series or wait for the "third version" (unless they cut pokemon from those, too), Pokemon games are not going to be delayed to make them better.
People complained relentless about all those cut features long before SS. But this culling of most of the pokemon is such a huge fucking issue, that it completely dwarfs all those other accumulating problems combined.
>Can you hack in a lucario into Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee? No because their data doesn't exist
Actually, I bet you could try. You wouldn't be able to get a model, sure, but USUM's pokedex data still seems to be left over in Let's Go .
Hopefully the speculation about Yokai Watch 4 cutting multiplayer is incorrect.
youkai.gamepedia.jp
Because they LITERALLY CUT THE BASE GAME. Normally they cut features that appear in a game or two, but this is the first time they CUT THE GAME ITSELF.
>Transfer my Qwilfish from the GBA games because that's the only way to have it learn sword dance
>Transfer it to the DS games which requires you to beat those whole games to unlock
>Transfer it from THOSE games to black & white 2
>Transfer it to the 3DS games
>Want to transfer it to the switch games
>"Lol no, fuck you & your fish friend"
What did Qwilfish do to deserve this?
Yep this is one of the starters from SM
>Friends get the game.
>Agree that you all have 1 month to build your team.
>Have tournament in 1 month.
It only happened once and was the only time I had fun with Pokemon multi.
No, its the same as lets go
You say that yet you have absolutely no idea. If it was that easy then it wouldnt even be a problem. There are so many factors from the last game to this brand new game that you are not even thinking of.
There's no national dex at all. It's not that you can't get the pokemon out the gate, it's that you can't get them at all. The pokemon you got in x/y or usum? They're gone, they don't exist anymore. Bye bye. Hope you didn't buy those games. Want to catch em all? Go catch a fuck yourself.
AND they have the balls to say "Spend money keeping your pokemon in a digital storage in case we one day release a game where you can play with them again". FUCK. THEM.
They raised the price on the game and removed fucking content.
He said this is the policy moving forward. All future games will be gutted and that shiny full ev trained bidoof will NEVER see life outside of pokemon home again
>Dynamaxing could just be some simple function that changes the value of Scale from 100 to 5000 and adds +50 to existing non-HP Base Stats
>Instead they're remaking every single Pokémon but big
I can see joke website headlines now.
"GAME FREAK Reveals that Workstations Unable to Copy, Paste"
You can still play the 3DS games, your pokemans aren't gone
The models for every Pokemon in Sun/Moon and prior are already created, and future proofed. They made high quality models of them all specifically for the point of not having to redo them on future hardware, so the argument of making the models is moot. They only had to make the models for the new Pokemon which I can't imagine there are more than like 70 of tops.
The model work is done user. Part of why people are pissed.
Then spend more time making the game. Don't come up with some release date then decide later you don't want to add in content, and you don't want to add in content with patches either.
I know, the anime and TCG and everything. But with proper planning, all of thsoe things could have been delayed a few months.
Then there's no reason to buy any future games if they have objectively less content and gameplay features than previous games despite costing more. Don't forget that Mega Evos and Z-Moves were cut.
Not to mention rotation battles and triple battles being cut in Gen 7.
Funny thing is, back when Bank was announced they used a narrative about "being able to use Pokémon from years ago that may have personal value in new games" as a selling point.
Anyway, i miss sprites.
It's more detailed than I thought. I see what people mean when they said they were forward thinking with regard to the models and why the game ran like shit so often.
I wish level 5 made a real fantays life 2 and not a clash of clans clone that died in a few months
>people assume the only reason people want to be able to transfer pokemon to the new games is because they have old mons from old games they want to carry over, or want to use old mons immediately instead of new ones
How is it so hard for people to understand that with no dex support the game suffers in post game even more then most newer pokemon games have. Half the fun of pokemon was having such a massive collection of mons to make teams out of. How is it the 3DS can handle everything up to 7th gen but the Switch cant handle a few more?
Yeah smogon tier cuking basic vanilla 252/252 is the fucking antithesis of fun
But VGC is actually the most fun you can have with Pokemon
I hope you'll actually skip the game then
If they shut down the online 3 months after swsh comes out like they did with the DS games after the 3DS games came out, they will be gone, and you won't even be able to transfer them to their paid bank. You're literally being told "Pay to keep your pokemon in this digital storage, to MAYBE be able to play with them again one day."
Yeah, they had nothing to do with it but they had it put on their packaging all the time
Every Pokemon has atleast 10k Polygons and Pikachu and Eevee recently got upgraded for LGPE, despite that both of them are not using their new upgraded models
You can laugh, but it's true. Its been this way since the beginning. Ever wonder why so many pokemon had to be cut from gen 1 despite iwata condensing gen 2 so much he added gen 1 back in too? It wasn't space limitations buddy. Gf literally cant make games and the code was filled with redundant textures taking up precious space. And even as recent as sun and moon they did the area cloning because they couldn't figure out how to have npcs speaking in the overworld.
They fucking suck and I feel like they legitimately blew their load making giant models and textures and maybe even animations and move banks for every single pokemon in the gala dex
There's no way they have a good reason for that.
ending felt a bit weak, but that was great
I just saw a video of Yokai Watch 4,
just fucking imagine YW4 but with all characters and monsters replaced with Pokemon
Yea Forums is furry newfriend, come to terms with it.
The people arguing that usually admit they haven't played since gen 1 and they forgot about the badge system.
I will, I can handle skipping out on a game when the developers don't make something I want to buy.
I like Pokemon, but the only thing keeping me playing the series was, y'know, the Pokemon. Taking away half makes me half as interested.
Do you really belive that the "wild area" in SwSh will be bigger than the main hub in Zelda SS?
Also, the hub cisy has more content and density of it than the wild area of pokemon.
>now shills to defend pokemon are unironically praising the "big empty open wolrd" bullshit
the absolute state of the pokemon fanbase.
I didn't buy Let's Go, and I was 50/50 on if I'd by the new main RPG or not.
I'm just sitting out on this, not so much because the decision to ax all the old Pokemon is shitty but because basically everything about this game looks shitty, especially the visuals. And I owned a fuckin Wii U, I'm no stranger to playing games that don't look state of the art, but this game just wreaks of L A Z Y, OoT trees and all.
>How is it the 3DS can handle everything up to 7th gen but the Switch cant handle a few more?
It can but again, game freak has to be the most incompetent devs ever. Having the biggest grossing franchise in history and unlimited amounts of cash at your disposal means nothing when you have zero talent
>gamefreak talking about "balance"
as someone who stopped playing pokemon after the gba i cant help but laugh at pokefags getting mad that the game doesnt have every single pokemon when the rest of it looks like dogshit. you fucking losers will still eat the shit gamefreak freaks throws at you anyways.
maybe they think if they don't spend time porting all the models they'll have more time to focus on making more content, which still seems stupid considering if thats true their grand ambition is to make the pokemon big and add pokemon go raids I guess
Shut up, faggot.
Atleast with the cuts we wont have to deal with poop genie anymore, good lord that thing is cancer.
>uses Ice beam
"Future Proofing", in case it hasn't been established already, GF is lazy AND incompetent. always have been, even in Gen 1, yes yes it is charming there and the games are still fun, but let's not pretend it didn't have glitches out the ass with shit like Missingno and moves and type-weaknesses not working as the Devs intended, and they never stopped so im not shitting on Gen 1 in favour of new games, we all know about the Gen 2 Iwata story, Lumiose Glitch and 1000 Lillies.
In this case it just backfired on them hard because everyone KNOWS they have the assets before the game released.
Motherfucking THIS Pokemon started feee fall years ago. Cant underatand how people liked sun moon
>TFW your parody has a better build up and payoff then the actual game.
Because we won't actually get our Krabby patties in the end.
I think they are having trouble coming to terms with the fact that people datamine their games. All of their "claims" get debunked immediately because USUM and LGPE have been datamined already.
1000 lillies is still retarded but it's slightly less retarded because it had a ""legitimate"" reason
The nips in general can't into HD. It's a struggle for them.
>but chances are that it's just a bunch of autismos that see Pokémon as real living creatures that they've grown up with. Yes, it's shitty what they're doing, but it's just one turd at the top of a pile.
seeing as how they've sold the series for almost the entirety of its existence yea that's probably it
Also the battle frontier was a bad gimmick that deserved to be removed, the other battle tower clones were the only good aspect of it.
>Pokemon Home got turned into Pokemon House Arrest
Yea I was just thinking that, friend. Why do they think you can just pop out your level 100 Scolipede and trivialize the game with it?
>3DS can have over 900 unique monster models
>Switch can't
???
PLEASE
GIVE GAME FREAK A BREAK!
theyre a small indie devs with limited funds!
>Also the battle frontier was a bad gimmick that deserved to be removed
Off yourself, retard!
no, it's the truth
gamefreak are lazy kikes but the gimmick frontier was garbage
>Also the battle frontier was a bad gimmick that deserved to be removed
t. couldn't even get all the silver medals
It's not like they're sitting on a billion dollars, user.
>Why do people seem so upset about something that would be insanely hard to do???
When they moved to 3D they future-proofed the models by making them hi-poly, to the detriment of the performance on 3DS
Literally the whole idea was to make it easier on them when it came to making more 3D games when previously they'd make new sprites for almost every game.
Masuda tried to damage control by saying that they cut Pokémon for quality.
But then the game looks like shit, horrible pop-in, muddy textures, lazy animations.
It LOOKS like a fucking 3DS game. And not a good one.
Reminder that Pokémon as a franchise earns billions in revenue every single year.
>To my fangame
Bretty gud
>identity
A buzzword. What the fuck is so important about this so called identity over having more features and all Pokémon available. You’re a stooge and a toadie
So this is how the death of Pokemon goes. With a laugh
When replaying games i usually just slap a Ditto and something from my LivingDex and use what hatched from the resulting egg, possibly doing a couple of rehatches and WTs if it is a complete dud (IE: 0 IV in important and bad nature, not going perfect mons for in-game shenanigans), no need to worry about out levelling, it is all about having OPTIONS.
I really think that is a lot of the point, they’re trying to give other Pokémon a chance that they’ll never ever get if all Pokémon are available.
>tfw filthy apologist that would have settled for an upscaled 3DS game
>Gamefreak couldn't even fucking do that, we essentially got LESS than a 3DS game in terms of content
Nah, that doesn't work. Black and White tried that and I still FUCKING HATE most of the Unova dex outside of the cool bug types and some others like Bisharp. Meanwhile XY showered me with Kanto pokemon but Aegislash became a favourite of mine, and SunMoon also showered me with Kanto Pokemon but Ribombee because a favourite.
While it is true that the unova dex has the highest number of shitmon of any gen, there's still a ton of good pokemon.
That's the funniest part, GameFreak is really bad at reading their fanbase. Most would have definitely preferred an upscaled 3DS game, and even expected it.
I agree with that, I just meant that restricting the dex doesn't really do much. I'm not going to like a Pokemon just because I'm forced to use it.
>T-TAR IS STILL IN
HOPE YOU LIKE SANDSTORMS FAGGOT
I'm playing online. Most battles are with 200% hacked pokemon. It's ridiculous fun. Because these guys are so bad at Pokemon that I kind of like the challenge of it. Most times I lose its because I happened to guess wrong. Im not really a competitive player but I still love it when I dance around Pokemon twice as strong as me
This.
Why is there no pinecest in this thread?
I'm just hoping this backlash will knock even a tiny bit of sense in their chipmunk brains.
How the FUCK can one game company be so incompetent?
Oh no yea BW was shit, it's absolutely baffling to me that the contrarian internet force has come up with that game, of all games, to be "the best one"
This is about the quality of the people who think its alright to cut half the pokemon
Lmao, no. They use the same xy engine. Engine =\= graphic colors
>Let's go sold 4 million copies
LMAO.
Typical underageb&
Its better than gen 6, 7, 1, 3 and 4... but keep seething fag
Not a single one was mine
>Sells 3.5 million copies
>Next thread
>WTF how could it sell so much!
>It's better than gen 3 and 4
Unova is also pretty cool because it REALLY loves Bug Pokémon and pushes them pretty hard. The worst offenders are the Base Form genies and Elemental Monkeys, and the later seem to been created for their function in the game (trying to cuck your starter advantage in the first gym no matter the pick.) and the former got their designs "fixed" by the new forms. Design wise, i mean cause FUCK GENIES, but that alone is 9 bad designs.
The Vanille and Garbage lines are weird but honestly i kinda like em for the sheer absurdity.
BW is rough but B2W2 is great
>reworking textures
how much is that really needed to be done anyway? most pokemon are just flat colors. most of them don't have complex shaders either beyond something like "shiny metal"
And it did not make a difference :)
>If you want the game this early
Literally, and i mean literally zero players want the game to be a yearly release.
Nintendo might, or some group in TPCI, but no one with 2 brain cells to rub together want the games this fast.
There's been a game every year since 2016 I think.
yes pokemon new york edition is better than pokemon cave simulator
>yes pokemon new york edition is better than pokemon cave simulator
pretending to be retarded should only be taken so far
This basically. I know everyone will still buy it. Complaining is worthless.
thought that was the full version of this for a second
Gamefreak is being lazy and doesn't want to add in existing models&code to Sword&Shield because they think it's too hard or some bullshit like that.
Personally, I don't really care because I never transfer over any of my teams from previous games, but others are having a meltdown over it. I don't blame them though.
its not laziness its just that the higher ups know they don't have to try to sell so they don't let the workers make the best possible game (the employees hearts are in it).
according to that japanese dudes tweet
>people do it all the time
Yeah, "people" are mostly retarded. But what about you? Can you answer the question?
Yes, it did. I didnt waste a secon of my time on that crap :)
What the fuck was wrong with BW
I thought it was great, and BW2 felt like a step down to me
I know the region Dex wasn't popular but I loved it
Made the game feel unique like I really was in a new place instead of Kanto 5.0 feat. Some Others
Can someone explain C&D got the best of him and flygons fan game?
this is game freak, redoing solid textures is equivilent to remaking every model from scratch for them
It can be done with an automatic filter. They are just incompetent
Hot.
A lot of people saying its all good now will be singing a different tune when they run into hackers online using whatever Pokemon they want.
Will third versions even work? If they have more Pokemon there'll be no compatibility with the earlier versions.
3.5 million for a "mainline" pokemon title is actually pretty horrible
>it's not lazy, it's just that they willingly did less work because they knew they could get away with it
k
BW2 had some admittedly pretty nice tweening animations on the pokemon and a few improved girls but that's about it.
>Do they want to play with all the pokemon out of the box? Are they using the same game engine as the 3DS for the Switch?
No, I play with regional stuff for the story.
However the issue is that the non story Pokémon won't be coded in meaning we can't put our past Pokémon for the postgame at all.
It's a neutered postgame for me and thus an incomplete product, I'm not paying for an inferior experience.
Because they're only bring some back. If we had a whole new dex of over a hundred new pokemon, like DPPt, and B&W, then people would be more open to it. If all the old pokemon came back, like GS, that would also work. Game Freak is reusing some old models, why not all? Either go all new, or all recycled.
>Audino
>Unpopular
If it reaches 17 million it will be better than X & Y and Moon.
This has nothing to do with it and there are solutions they've already used in past games for all of that. They can restrict what people use online in certain modes, they can not let you import until post-game, Pokemon Home isn't coming until "Early 2020" in the first place.
The Pokemon will not be in the game, as in the files will not be there. That is what everyone is pissed about. Want to play with all the Pokemon you've spent years breeding and training in the new game after you've finished it? lolnope, they'll be stuck in Home until GF decides to stick them in a game. Enjoy only ever playing with a few hundred Pokemon, can't even breed new ones.
It's also going to completely fuck the meta, we'll have to have a separate meta for every individual game now or people will have to resort to using simulators to be able to use the full Pokedex. And if you want to keep playing online, better buy the new games, can't just play with the first gen 8 game against others using the next game, like you could in every other generation.
But hacking in Switch's online is already rampant, restricting the Pokedex isn't going to do shit. Hackers are going to be doing stuff anyway. Splatoon 2 has had a hacker problem for years.
This, it just devalues every individual game, no one wants yearly releases. I feel less and less inclined to spend lots of time with each game knowing another will just come out next year.
>Sells 3.5 million copies
That would be an unprecedented flop for a Pokemon RPG, especially for one leading off a new generation
Keep paying the online, eventually ill improve
>Can someone explain to me why people are so upset about the Pokemon Sword and Shield?
Go to /vp/. They've been in meltdown over the last week. seriously. It's because gamefreak is a fucking lazy, jewish dev. It's only taking until now for people to realize.
> Infinite money
Retard
Wrong.
Because this is the first mainline pokemon game to be on a console, and its entirely the same as the 3DS ones? Actually its lacking compared to them. The first console mainline pokemon game. Is lacking when compared to the 3DS games.
Let that sink in. Its more then just wasted potential, its a terrible first impression as well.
Do you know what would set Sword and Shield apart from the other games?
Having much more catchable pokemon in it.
Having more then one explorable region, hell, having three of them.
Having the ability to carry eight pokemon for a change instead of just six, with the company understanding that the more pokemon they make, the harder that choice of which six you carry becomes, therefore allowing you to carry eight instead helps take the burden off a bit.
Having visible on the field pokemon instead of random encounters. Which they seemed to have actually did.
But you know what doesn't set Sword and Shield apart from the other games?
Gimmicks.
Like adding the mega evolution gimmick.
Only to remove it for another gimmick everyone will hate.
Pokemon Company.
Five steps backwards, and half a step forwards into a bear trap, every generation.
I got every gen EXCEPT gen 7. I will skip gen 8 too. I will keep skipping until quality returns to this franchise.
No one will be able to do shit because the files and assets for the Pokemon aren't in the games at all, you can't inject the Pokemon into the games because they are literally not there, its not possible.
>Mfw bought into the X and Y hype after nearly a decade of not playing Pokemon outside of mystery dungeons
>Mfw disappointment was so high that it was my last pokemon game I played
Genuinely not interested.
Pokemon is the most successful franchise in the world. For all intensive purposes, they do have "infinite money."
/vp/ has been railing on them since it's inception, but it's particularly unified since X&Y
Pokemon needs to stop being an annual release.
They can double the quality and man hours by releasing a game every two years. It would even buy time on having to constantly create new pokemon. Though it depends how much of a hit to their profits they want, longer release cycles mean less games cranked out means less money made.
Literally nobody complained in the past whenever pokemon skipped a year.
>people get robbed all the time
>this is okay
"pokemon getto daze" was literally in the japanese opening, retard.
I'd bet the files will be there, if only because GF is too lazy. Sun and Moon, as well as the Ruby and Sapphire's demo included the full dex. It would have been easy to remove, they just didn't.
They can still hack what IS in the game though. No genie? Hack a Tapu. No Tapu? Hack a Rotom. No Rotom? Hack a Greninja. No Greninja? Hack a Tyranitar. No Tyranitar? Hack a Magnezone.
You underestimate GameFreak's laziness. Everything will be copypasted over, but only certain pokemon will be flagged for transfer because they haven't been "updated". Those flags will be meaningless to hackers, who will be able to transfer whatever they want and the pokemon will work just fine. This will happen 100%.
People who bitch about their missing pokemon and don't give a shit about balances are the problem with the franchise, not the company.
This one is glorious because the meltdown was global. Trannyera, leddit, twitter, all the Pokemon fansites, /vp/ and even on 2ch and Japanese twitter, all on complete meltdown.
cringe but redpilled
>You underestimate GameFreak's laziness
user, they are going BEYOND their usual laziness. They don't even want to copypaste the assets.
The problem with this franchise is the lazy and uncaring developer and the people who enable them, like you.
>copy and paste models hundreds of times within one game
>can't be bother to copy and paste between one project to another
Yeah, I remember reading some articles on the Japanese freak out. I can't remember it exactly but it was something like:
We Japanese don't usually like to make wave, or complain, but this is a truly heart breaking and unusual decision, that has hurt many dedicated fans.
They're fuckin' pissed.
Yeah, this is a big ass doomsday meteor right to the heart of the franchise and no one in their right mind can't see that
LGPE were nothing but stopgaps, so only the dedicated people even cared. If they do release DP remakes, you won't even be able to trade freely with SS, it's fucking bananas!
oh yeah yeah yeah it's ok just carry over everything from gen 7 because all the gens are the same right? the shit in gen 1 is valid in gen 5?
here's the shit. pokemon battles are horribly unbalanced when you open the floodgates of every legacy mon.
and there's a second issue nobody brings up, file size and phyical copies. it's expensive to mass produce cards that hold more than a average SD card. they know the pokemon bloat the filesize so they won't admit that adding them bloats cost, eats money.
Imagine another company making the game assets for you and then still complaining about having too much work when all you need to do is put those assets into the game.
yeah keep repeating lazy like it matters. file size is a cost and they don't want to pay for larger phyical copies. so the national dex must be off the game.
Given how hands-on ol' 'tendo has been recently with trying to unfuck stuff when everyone tells them it's fucked, I hope like hell they at least force a damn patch to fix this
People would entirely be more supportive of having less pokemon if there were actual improvements to them. Reusing old Pokemon would be a great way to slowly trickle in higher quality versions of them at a time. Better movesets, stat distribution, alternative uses, better animations, etc. That's what Let's Go should have accomplished when it went back to 151. But you get rid of Megas and Z-Moves and other things that have been implemented in the past to do that and it feels like they're just going to be behind again when they inevitably release another pokemon next year. What happens if it's Sword and Shield 2 next year like SuMo2? You have to buy the game again to get the clearly better version?
i literally do not care as long as all gen 1 and 2 pokemon get in, which they won't.
Have you seen the excuses they put out for this mess?
>Galar is a cold region, so no old Pokemon
Them saying they were going to add online coop to SMM2 was pretty surprising, normally you just expect the online for nintendo games to be kind of ass.
It was a really dumb decision but an expected one, I barely saw anyone complain about it and I was surprised they changed it.
This though, this is so categorically awful.
then how is yokai watch 4 doing it
>oh yeah yeah yeah it's ok just carry over everything from gen 7 because all the gens are the same right? the shit in gen 1 is valid in gen 5?
Yeah, it's not like X and Y and OR and AS and Sun and Moon and Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon did that or anything.
>here's the shit. pokemon battles are horribly unbalanced when you open the floodgates of every legacy mon
What is weather wars, genie wars, priority wars and tapu wars?
>and there's a second issue nobody brings up, file size and phyical copies. it's expensive to mass produce cards that hold more than a average SD card. they know the pokemon bloat the filesize so they won't admit that adding them bloats cost, eats money.
Nigger a fucking 3DS cart could hold over 900 models without any trouble.
>file size
They all fit just fine on 3DS carts
Switch carts hold a lot more than that
what is this apples and oranges shit? don't they literally have 50 reskins of Jibanyan?
Totodile was my first pokemon, I'll always have a place in my heart for them.
Every Pokemon is somebody's favorite. Game Freak is making people sad by making people not able to play with their favorite Pokemon in a main-line game.
a 3ds is lower resolution than the switch, nigger. think.
Boo fucking hoo nigger. That shit is 60 dollary doos when almost every previous one was 40
Trading between this game and next fucking year's game is important. Perhaps more important than any single fucking thing in this entire series
The Switch is getting a port of Witcher 3 FFS, file size isn't an issue.
Yes and? They still have enough Yokai to rival pokemon. Reskins still take up space. Models, and textures, and teeny tiny. Compared to a lot of shit.
annualization is easily one of the things I hate most about the game industry
Same. He's a cool guy.
nobody trades they just use the GPS and that shit is clogged with rattata for insert legendary here. shit is just fucking a mess.
>People would entirely be more supportive of having less pokemon if there were actual improvements to them.
More supportive maybe, but there would still be definite derision
>Reusing old Pokemon would be a great way to slowly trickle in higher quality versions of them at a time.
What I don't understand is why they just didn't say they were going to do this in the first place.
"Hey guys, we're shit as usual, so not all the pokemon are in this one, but don't worry! They'll all be back in the next game or 2 as we adjust to console shit". I'm baffled they even bothered to make this announcement at all, it's PR suicide.
>Hating on Buzzwole, Dewpider, Skorupi, lilligant, and luranits
alright faggot you can leave now
>remove half the Pokedex
>"we need to do this for better animations"
>trailer uses 3DS move/attack animations, 3DS flying animations and the datamined 3DS walking animations that were unused in Ultra
>they actually planned on making Slowbro's shell a separate Pokémon
>it still hasn't happened
Nigga what the fuck
Some of these are solid designs, how did they not come back
Resolution doesn't mean shit here. How many pixels your screen is doesn't matter, Autismo.
I never trade with people and use (or well, used) wonder trade a lot.
It was frequently garbage but there was a nice joke or something interesting sometimes.
yeah and look at the downgrades to this shit. more apples and oranges from people who don't do business.
if they bloat the game, the cost is on you faggots anyway, cry more.
you mean like how the 3DS had 50 reskins for Pikachu?
>>second issue nobody brings up, file size and phyical copies.
>Everything up till ultra moon/sun could fit on a 4gb cart
>The switch carts can hold up to 32gb and can hold games like 2016 doom and the witcher.
Textures barely take up space, the models do.
a model can have like 50 skins and be 50 characters but still one 3d model. level 5's own laziness you're sure eating that shit.
What do you think is the appeal of Pokemon? The answer is the Pokemon, you don't cut them.
>data filesize of high res models don't matter
i might be autistic but i sure ain't dumb.
and here's your retarded brother who can't understand what reskins are.
They're the same models and display resolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with file sizes
it has everything to do with it.
>I'm a casual and I just want to use the new pokemon. Less pokemon, less bloat.
If that's your logic then you're also a shitter. If you really wanted "less bloat" then you'd want them to quit making new Pokemon each gen. There is literally no fucking reason for it beyond "we can't think of new original plots and merchandising is easier with new assets."
New scenarios with existing world inhabitants > stale formula but look, this one has a sword
>they are kids so why try
Castrate yourself
The amount of pixels on the screen doesn't change the amount of polygons on the model
Like are you serious?
Are you this stupid?
Yes it does. A 4k movie is literally 16gb. Games have trouble being ported over the switch cartridge because of the restrictions on file size. The first thing to be sacrificed is resolution.
If hundreds of Pokemon are gone who gives a fuck about balance, the meta is already fucked and not worth touching
Would you be fine with a new Smash game that cuts half the characters and removes half their moves to focus on some single-player shit no one cares about?
The fact that R/G were 70% bugs says that they were Bethesda from the get go.
>A 4k movie is literally 16gb. Games have trouble being ported over the switch cartridge because of the restrictions on file size. The first thing to be sacrificed is resolution.
Pokemon isn't going to be using 4k textures anytime soon. In fact it would seem they haven't graduated past Dreamcast level in that department.
do you think they had to cut mons due to having wild pokemon show up in the overworld, so they had to add in walking animations and shit for the "future proof" models?
you seen 3ds graphics blown up on a PC right? the switch isn't using the 3ds models since their are either more poly'd or there's anti-aliasing going on. but both eat at game space. i think realistically GF is going to sell 2gb copies of pokemon because having all the pokemon in this quality will break the intended storage medium, increasing costs.
>comparing film resolution to game resolution
They don't work even remotely the same fucko
the 3DS models already had unused walking animations
This isn't The Witcher or Wolfenstein or DOOM user, it's not a PS4 game. It's not "the entire game world and everything". It's just a bunch of Pokemon models.
i don't touch pokemon because the meta is already out of whack for at least 4 gens for me now. i was just about to jump on the SS train but the game looking dull and drab itself doesn't help me want to go back.
>so they had to add in walking animations
All 800+ Pokemon have full walking/ floating/ flying animations already done, they are in the game files for Sun and Moon.
youtube.com
4K movie and 4K game are two different things. Persona 5 is 1080p, and can run on a PS3. The number of pixels on screen doesn't mean the models get any easier or harder to load.
This is Wartortle's 3DS model.
Notice how it's much higher-quality than what can be viewed on the 3DS's low-resolution display.
>Would you be fine with a new Smash game that cuts half the characters and removes half their moves to focus on some single-player shit no one cares about?
Brawl did cut some characters and gave us a story mode.
However this was rectified later.
Dear God loosing the everyone is here from ultimate is going to be painful now that I think about it.
and how large is this file?
>Do they want to play with all the pokemon out of the box?
no, but thats never happened anyway. you have to progress through the game to control higher level pokemon and always have.
>Are they using the same game engine as the 3DS for the Switch?
we don't know, but even if it did, most (if not all) of the art assets relating to pokemon will get reused from x&y. all gamefreak would need to do is port those into a new engine
>Why do people seem so upset about something that would be insanely hard to do???
because it's not hard to do for anyone but gamefreak. they already have all 900+ models, animations, textures, stats, sounds, movesets and abilities prepared, but suck at the most basic shit like loading actors into different maps.
thats not even mentioning the more subjectively shit things like the overemphasis on kanto, multiple paid online services + higher price, obnoxious handholding and subpar writing.
tl;dr
prease undastand making game hard gaijin
Haha, I don't really know.
fuck me then, this is starting to feel like no mans sky
>People would entirely be more supportive of having less pokemon if...
Going to stop you right there, nothing they can do would ever justify not having every Pokemon because not having all the Pokemon defeats the purpose of even buying and playing the game for me.
If I have to segment my entire collection and have it strewn about multiple games that aren't even compatible with one another while maintaining a paid subscription to keep some of them from being fucking deleted, if I have to buy every single new game just to keep playing online because the previous game isn't compatible with the new one and has different Pokemon, if I can't build teams with every Pokemon at my disposal, then I don't even want the fucking game.
This isn't an
>I'm mad about this, so I'm boycotting
thing, applicable to something like a game on PC being saddled with Denuvo, this is an
>I genuinely no longer want this game or any future games as a result of this decision
thing.
God if I lose my Belmonts I'm going to be really sad.
do you think the file is somehow bigger when you view it on your PC? you must be trolling
Doesn't matter. It's the same size on 3DS and Switch. If they could all fit on the 3DS, they can more than fit on Switch.
yeah
At least we'll probably still keep Banjo
1.17MB for the pair
This model is 543.41KB
>nintentard advocates incomplete child games
Whoa, never seen that before.
maths, nigger. you take the model's filesize and just multiply that by the total number of mons and that's the space required for these models to fit onto a game.
if it's the same, but they keep adding more mons, the space roadblock to me seems even more plausible than the balancing one.
The models first used in XY were made specifically for the purpose of future-proofing the Pokemon as to eliminate the need to make them for every new set of games to save time and money
>Not understanding resolutions effect file size
Yes but even then textures and polygons have an effect on file size. Details do matter.
They are two different things but I was using it as an example of how resolutions can have an effect on game file sizes. If we want to we can go into optimizations and into audio quality.
Yes but I have a feeling this may have been why they introduced Pokemon "Home" because of the file size.
so lets say roughly 1 gb for all the mons to fit on a switch cart by themselves.
fuck.
This is actually backwards. Models don't take up much space. High quality textures eat up space very quickly, but luckily Pokemon mostly uses simple textures with flat colors.
So on a bad day we're looking at 2GBs of models. That's fucking nothing.
Space is not an issue, Masuda specifically said it was a time/workload issue and that's why they cut Pokemon.
Where did people get the idea that the file sizes were too large? They never said anything about that.
>if it's the same, but they keep adding more mons, the space roadblock
The thing is that the file size for Pokemon models is constant while the increasing size for cartridges is exponential. From DS carts to 3DS carts to Switch carts is a GIANT INCREASE in file size.
>but I was using it as an example of how resolutions can have an effect on game file sizes
Except that the displayed resolution is not a file
It fundamentally does not work the same.
“¡Hazte con todos!” did exist in Spain, though.
Resolution has nothing to do with file size in games!
what if i told you i find that statement full of shit?
if the game's download size is just under 2 gb to sell the cheapest cards, i will be laughin.
Pretty sure they made the game on top of LGBT engine which only featured Kanto shitmons at that time
I haven't bought a Pokemon game since SoulSilver.
aesthetically and spiritually pokemon has been shit since the jump from the 2d/pixel art of the GB/GBA to the disgusting 3D poly DS/3DS look. the franchise should have stayed with pixel art. sure, they've added some neat features here and there, but the franchise has been soulless since that jump. the art style and focus of the series took a horrible wrong turn and there was never any going back. this shitshow with the Switch games is just more of the same lazy and bad decision making. if pokemon didnt die with diamond and pearl for you, you just have autism and/or manchild syndrome.
Different user, but Sword/Shield doesn't use high quality textures, they are a step up from USUM but they are ok quality textures.
Good read.
They removed features and a shit ton of pokemon and added nothing of worth in their place.
It's the first time the normies and GameFreak's fanclub can't deny how lazy the company is, that's why they're upset. When something else gets cut they can rationalize some kind of reason, but for this they finally have to face the truth, that GameFreak is garbage at their job.
switch cards are little more than refurbished sd cards that pretty much stick with the same memory limits of such. 2 and 4 gigs are pretty cheap but going up to 8 and 16 is too much for companies to want to pay and will opt to split the game into dlc to mitigate costs.
I don't know why you would, they've never talked about file size being an issue and, again, Masuda specifically said its a workload and schedule issue, which hinges on the fact that they sidelined Pokemon and Nintendo/TPC/whomever insist on yearly releases no one wants. So to meet that schedule without having to bring new people in or do anything, really, they're cutting Pokemon from every future game, which is fucking retarded.
So... Will you Anons buy this game or not??
I personally will, what about you?
That is the shittiest excuse. Most people don't even play competitively. If that's the case just ban them in their competitive modes.
I can run a 500mb 3D game at 32x32 or 3840×2160 and it would still be 500mb you absolute brainlet
No? Why would I?
I want to see it, but not enough to buy it. I'll take a page out of Game Freak's playbook, and just be a lazy fuck watching a let's play.
>Insanely hard to do
The 3DS games ran like absolute SHIT and the excuse they gave for this was that they had made the models super high fidelity so they would be "Future proof"
If the models were actually future proof then they should be able to reuse them for this (Which it looks like they are, the models don't look any better) and there would be nothing hard about it.
No. I will play it with TPP, but that's in. Waiting for v2 like I did last gen
some things to note about Masuda's PR. he knows what to say and what not to say. people generally are ok about working conditions as long as the game comes out. people don't want to learn shit is gonna go on the cheapest card they can, that shit would start headlines in OAG's website. Masuda's a smart man, he knows to omit things that can damn his company.
You think this will make the game bomb and be taken away from GF?
I wonder if Nintendo realizes that gamefreak cheaping out on what is supposed to be a system seller game can hurt both game sales AND console sales.
>Out of the box
Implying they'll be added progressively?
Until Gamefreak commits to such a thing there's literally ZERO (0) reason to believe they will.
And yet they failed to reach the bare mininum expectation that even the most shilliest of pokemon fans laid out.
They've done that before IIRC. In XY you couldn't use imported Pokemon in certain online modes, for example.
And people will have months of not being able to use anything outside the Galar Dex anyway because home isn't launching until 2020 so no one would be able to import anything until it launches.
>2 and 4 gigs are pretty cheap
Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon are 3.5GB
>going up to 8 and 16 is too much
I can buy a 32GB SD card (Switch cards max out at 32GB) for $7 right now on Amazon
Im-FUCKING-plying Game Freak even NEEDS to pay for their carts when Nintendo owns Pokémon
Implying a $90 BILLION FRANCHISE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE AFFORDING SD CARDS
It's the models resolutions that are the problem.
Then tell me why is it that the Switch can not get certain games to run well? Why is it that their quality when viewed is absolutely horrid? I mean Doom was blurred and messy they had to downscale the graphics, lower texture quality etc. Or how about the Witcher 3 where it runs at 540p undocked and 720p docked. It most likely had to sacrifice graphical quality and resolution to fit the game on there.
my roomate pre ordered both versions, and if telling him you can't catch them all doesn't change that then I can play it for free
How are the Japanese taking it?
Nah. I skipped Let's Go and I'll skip this too. The Switch is stacked with games for the next few months anyway, I'll maybe get it used if I ever see it in the future.
Masuda has already said they're hand-picking the Pokémon for each game from now on.
>the models resolutions
MODELS DO NOT HAVE RESOLUTIONS ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
Like 10 minutes after the news hit, the top trending topic on Japan's twitter was the national dex.
No. But, some staff may be "rearranged."
I don't know what your point is
File size for the Pokemon models was never cited as a limitation by anyone
>he knows what to say and what not to say
Clearly he does not, because the responses to every statement he's made regarding this issue and its announcement have been overwhelmingly negative
Now that i think about it. Didin't Square Enix and other companies have issues porting games because of the file size limit on certain SD Cards that were not big enough yet for them to do it? So they had to do like a 30GB SD Card and then a 20gb download on top of that?
All these fucking idiots in here calling Game Freak 'lazy' for not doing it, assuming it's because of worldload. In reality they've said multiple times that it was a design decision. If you're gonna criticize something at least get your facts straight, go read their fucking interviews.
companies don't want to pay 7 dollars if a 1 dollar option exist. please don't pretend Gamefreak isn't Mr. Krabbs.
>It's the models resolutions that are the problem.
No, they're not you fucking idiot
GF never said anything about models being too fucking big, they said they're fucking lazy and have to pump these games out every year so fuck you we're just not putting them all in
No it's not, that's an American tagline. Japan doesn't use that motto
>Guuuuys, ya don't understaaaaaaaaaaand! They HAVE to erode the core appeal of the series, if they didn't... oy vey... it would CUT into their profit margins!
The absolute sate of these motherfuckers
Think of a game like a play. A movie is recorded once and is forever locked at that resolution, you can up/down grade it, but you can usually tell. A play uses props to recreate a scene live in front of you. It doesn't matter how conplex the costumes are, you can film them with any hand held camera from the audiance, and they'll have whatever resolution you want.
>>the engine is still the same engine from 3DS meaning animations can't be pushed to hard, real time lighting is not possible, materials based lighting is also off the table, and optimization will probably be poor since even in 2013 it was a bad engine
Capcom still use their PSP Monster Hunter engine for MHW.
This is all stuff they could implement if they wanted to.
not just then but a slew of japanese companies came across this hurdle. they just end up making the games digital only or suffer costs to fit their games on Nintendo's special SD card.
This fan response is the definition of entitlement
>buying Pokemon games past Gen 4
>In reality they've said multiple times that it was a design decision.
As a result of the workload, genius. Its a design decision they're going with due to the amount of work they allege is required to implement every Pokemon into the game, in addition to consideration for game balance (whatever the fuck they mean by this)
If you hate it so much why buy it at all. Go do something else with your life
Assets were futureproof already
Same goes for everything except gameplay balancing, but even smogontards can do that
It's lazyness, plain and simple
take your own advice retardo
That isn't a good thing, MT Framework in MHW is the reason why console performance was so bad and why Capcom was against a Switch port.
Turning on some options on the PC version tank the framerate like mad regardless of hardware and the engine just cant handle the Ancient Forest.
Its a prime example of an engine being past its prime, its not quite the PSP MH Engine but it is the same engine that was used for Dead Rising 1 and the 3DS MH Games.
I'm going to buy it because I have the disposable income and I don't care
all pokemons not being in doesnt by any means mean that it's not a complete product. That statement is utterly retarded and discredits a lot of other pokemon games. On top of that, there are countless game sequel that removed certain features of the first game and are you going to tell me that all those thousands of games are incomplete products too? Fuck man, think before you open your mouth
>switch has no cartridge storage issue (so far)
>Switch is more capable than 3ds
>Previous mons model can be added on existing LGBT engine
I'm sure it's not a design choice. GF is just fucking lazy unless they go full retard with "optimization" they made in gen 7 games
>filesize
>a problem at all
That would only be the case if they made a separate entry for each route and battle for the engine to refer, and that would be pants on head retarded
Oh wait
Just because the game (or Game Freak) doesn't cater to your specific tastes in gameplay doesn't mean it's bad. Maybe Pokemon games sell well because there are a ton of people who value different things in their game you know
Models do have resolutions every character or pokemon modeled has a resolution assigned to it. What are you talking about? Are they made of fairy dust and imagination?
No i get what you are saying about movies and games. What i am trying to say is it depends on the resolution the models are rendered by. I can make a jellyfish but rendering it at a certain resolution can effect where i put it in my scene so to speak. It could very well be Gamefreak fucked up by underestimating the capabilities of Tegra and now have to walk it back for now and re-introduce it later.
>GF never said anything about models being too fucking big, they said they're fucking lazy and have to pump these games out every year so fuck you we're just not putting them all in
No they did not. Essentially 800 was too much for them. And my guess is they are not being honest as to why it is. I am just taking a guess on resolution and perhaps a major fuckup on the underestimation on the graphics chip.
Years later, BW2 still hasn't been topped.
too bad we can't tap the dreamworld anymore. that was cash.
>if they bloat the game, the cost is on you faggots anyway, cry more.
how is it our fault gamefreak can't make games?
Ok, I'll type this very slowly for you:
The main appeal of the main Pokemon games is trading and collecting.
This decision knee-caps that and leaves the game incomplete when it can't even trade with the games in it's generation.
I'm not saying that every Pokemon game that doesn't have Corsala is an incomplete game, but you bet your ass a mainline game lacking Corsala is.
So they're just as pissed as everyone else.
That's nice to know
it was shit, there should have been a better way
aren't there non-nintendo servers you can still connect to through other means?
You render it at whatever the hard ware can handle. The Switch is better than the 3DS, so there isn't an issue. This isn't some photo realistic shit, it's simplistic animations and models. The Switch will have no issues with loading pokemon models.
if you're not buying their games you're not guilty of supporting it. i mean i'm not. half the people in this thread ain't.
>Models do have resolutions
No, they do not.
Model fidelity is quantified in polygons.
I can emulate Star Fox on SNES and bump the resolution of the game to 1080p if I wanted, but that doesn't make the Arwing a higher-quality model.
Any given model can be displayed at any possible resolution. They are not images. Their level of detail is not directly tied to the number of pixels on the screen.
>Normalfags do not care that all the Pokemon are not in the game or the lack national dex.
Have you been living under a rock? Lots of them care.
Most of the things the turbo Poke-autists complain about go overlooked, but this one set everyone off.
>That statement is utterly retarded and discredits a lot of other pokemon games.
If you're talking about mainline, you bet your ass it does.
>On top of that, there are countless game sequel that removed certain features of the first game and are you going to tell me that all those thousands of games are incomplete products too?
We're talking about Pokemon, jackass.
You don't even know what pokemons are in and which aren't. It's not going to be 'just new ones'. It could be 200 total, it could be 500 total. We have no clue. So everything you say are just pessimistic assumtions. On top of that, they aren't 'cutting content' for no reason. Including every pokemon in every new game will make the meta go stale. To make any nee pokemons interesting after 800 they'd need to delve into power creep or feature creep. I'm curious how this approach will turn out because it's the same what Hearthstone did, by rotating different pokemons in and oit of your game you open up new meta's, and give people for reasons to try out new things instead of sticking to the objectively strongest few mons. If you don't like it too bad, let's first wait and see how it pans out before we start talking out of our ass though. Accurate criticizism is fine, whining over conjecture is not
>You render it at whatever the hard ware can handle.
I agree and i think Gamefreak may have messed up by underestimating it. So they have to now figure out a way to get them on there.
> The Switch is better than the 3DS, so there isn't an issue. This isn't some photo realistic shit, it's simplistic animations and models. The Switch will have no issues with loading pokemon models.
I can agree. The main problem i think is they may have to re-do the models again and do a hurry up play to patch it back in. I have noticed Nintendo first party games have had to do this a lot recently. Mario Party had to patch in more maps, Mario Tennis had to have more courts etc etc.
lmao love it how people have waited decades for a decent open world pokemon and they get this turd
Yeah so? Pokemon SwSh is a sequel game, so same logic applies. Too bad you feel this way but your statement only holds up with your twisted definitions that somehow pokemon should be judged by different measures than other video games.
>You don't even know what pokemons are in and which aren't.
that's the worst part
>Model fidelity is quantified in polygons.
Truth
>I can emulate Star Fox on SNES and bump the resolution of the game to 1080p if I wanted, but that doesn't make the Arwing a higher-quality model.
Now i get what you are saying. Nevermind.
>Any given model can be displayed at any possible resolution. They are not images. Their level of detail is not directly tied to the number of pixels on the screen.
Yes the only thing that resolution can change is blurriness and detail but it can not change the model like you mentioned earlier. Now i get what you are saying.
>I can agree. The main problem i think is they may have to re-do the models again
Same exact models. They aren't remaking them.
Wait which version are we talking about here? Are they from the 3DS games?
Yes. LGPE and SwordShield are using the exact same 3DS models, because the 3DS models were designed to be used for several generations.
Nintendo is taking the 3DS models, and putting them on Switch. They did it that way in Let's Go. The models were designed to last many years and many games.
Fuck. Now i am straight up confused why this is. We need to get answers about this.
>The main appeal of the main Pokemon games is trading and collecting
For you, not necessarily for everyone.
Also it doesn't necessarily knee-cap the trading aspect, it might even enhance it. Normally everyone would just copy/paste their pokemon from Bank to the new games. Now, because the meta will be different (because the roster is different) new pokemon may have a chance to shine. Many people might not have all these new setups ready and thus trading and collecting becomes relevant again. Your "gotta catch em all" journey is now recorded in Pokemon Home, and not the most recent games.
we can safely hack all the Tyranitars we want. Larvitar's been confirmed.
I didn't buy ORAS, I didn't buy USUM, I didn't buy Let's Go, I'm not buying Sword and Shield.
>For you, not necessarily for everyone.
Most people, that's why the cards are still chugging along.
Autism. People attach some autistic importance to their Pokemon from years ago and want to carry their "bros" over. There's no other word for it, I'm sorry.
Pretty sure Pokemon Go uses the same models too, Creatures made them and they've been used since XY in 2013
I fucking love how Pokemon drones will defend literally any decision GF does and say shit like "it's their first time doing X give them a break!"
Sounds like you stopped on BW2.
perfect place to stop in this chaotic timeline.
>We're concerned about game balance
>lol enjoy Sand: The Meta: Part II
Almost guaranteed Drought Ninetales and Drizzle Politoed won't be making it
yo kai watch tries too hard like a nice guy
game freak knows they don't have to try because we love them, they're the bad boy of gaming
This Let's Go! still sold over 10 million copies even with all the people bitching up a storm about it.
it's their first time doing X give them a break!
Quite the opposite.
I like to breed and battle, especially with lower tier Pokemon, if the game has half the roster the last one had it severely limits teambuilding.
as long as damage buffers exist people will use things like spikes and that's not a meta i enjoy.
They already did X back in 2013 but. They did Y too.
Based PlagueofGripes
SS won't have genwunners carrying it
>it's their first 3d game
>this is team B wait for gen 7!
>they're working on the switch game!
>this isn't the real switch game!
>they've never done a real console game in 3d give them a break!
When does it end? How many subpar games have to be shit out before people get fed up?
>dyna Gyara
>the flying move gives +1 speed
>moxie gives +1 attack per kill
>water moves create rain
Oh believe me the Rain Rapists are back in full force
I haven't played pokemon since BW2. try again sweaty
I think you'll do fine for your undoubtedly exciting competitive Pokemon (I can barely keep a straight face here) with "only" 500 Pokemon instead of a thousand. Or are you telling me that competitive Pokemon prior to gen 5 was shit?
>Pokemon SwSh is a sequel game
To what? They're the first games of the Gen 8.
>Too bad you feel this way but your statement only holds up with your twisted definitions that somehow pokemon should be judged by different measures than other video games.
No one is saying this, unless you're stupid enough to think that the past mainline Pokemon games are "other video games".
>They're the first games of the Gen 8
*Their first game of Gen 8.
Typos happen. My point still stands.
Bought moon, didn't finish it
This garbage looks the same if not worse
The backlash from that was nothing compared to the shitstorm we have right now, if there even was any noticeable backlash.
And Gamefreak told us like the lying shits they are to not worry, that a core game was coming in 2019 and that LGPE wouldn't be affecting its development cycle or features. So people were content to wait and take them at their word. And now lots of them fucking pissed.
this
As much as people complain about entry hazards a meta without them would be worse. Stuff like gen 4/5 Salamence and other flying-types would be even more threatening and harder to deal with, leftovers would be more important and you'd see lots of Pokemon living longer due to a lack of chip damage from switching in, sweeps would be easier to setup, we'd have more of a reliance on powerful priority to stop said sweeps and setups (you just LOVE seeing Scizor, don't you :^) ) etc.
There's a lot of trade-offs you probably didn't realize would occur, and most Pokemon that are eating 25-50% of their health upon switching into Sneaky Pebbles are, to be blunt, going to continue to be good, bad or mediocre regardless of whether the pebbles are there. Moltres is going to stay terrible with or without them, something like gen 7 Charizard or gen 5 Volcarona were still useful despite the 4x weakness, etc.
>it might even enhance it
Nigger if you can't fucking trade a fucking Pokemon to me because it doesn't even exist in my game, then what the fuck is that if not knee-capping?
> journey is now recorded in Pokemon Home
A fucking subscription service that I probably can't battle in and that I have no control over if I stop paying or it gets shut down
>remove Mega Evolution
>but keep Charizard in
>and give the region Champion a Charizard
FUCK U AND FUCK REASON